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Keynote speaker announced! LOPSA-East (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013, New Brunswick, NJ

by LOPSA-East 2013

[Note: "Early-bird" price ends in 4 days! Don't lose the discount!] The LOPSA-East committee is excited to announce our opening keynote speaker: Marcus J. Ranum, Chief Security Officer, Tenable Network Security, Inc. will be presenting the opening keynote address on Friday night. Marcus J. Ranum is a world-renowned expert on security system design and implementation. He is recognized as an early innovator in firewall technology, and the implementor of the first commercial firewall product. Since the late 1980's, he has designed a number of groundbreaking security products including the DEC SEAL, the TIS firewall toolkit, the Gauntlet firewall, and NFR's Network Flight Recorder intrusion detection system. He has been involved in every level of operations of a security product business, from developer, to founder and CEO of NFR. Marcus has served as a consultant to many FORTUNE 500 firms and national governments, as well as serving as a guest lecturer and instructor at numerous high-tech conferences. In 2001, he was awarded the TISC "Clue" award for service to the security community, and the ISSA Lifetime Achievement Award. Marcus is Chief Of Security for Tenable Security, Inc., where he is responsible for research in open source logging tools, and product training. He serves as a technology advisor to a number of start-ups, established concerns, and venture capital groups. Conference Summary ------------------------ LOPSA-East begins Friday with an entire day of training offered by world class instructors. We have half day sessions on Team Efficiency, Configuration Management, Basic and Advanced PowerShell, IPV6 migration, and much more! The conference continues on Saturday, with more half day training sessions along with 45 minute presentations from invited speakers, 5 minute lightning talks, and 'birds of a feather' discussions on participant selected topics. (The entire training schedule can be found at http://lopsa-east.org/2013/lopsa-east-training/) Register now! Save up to $197 by registering during the extended Early Bird pricing! Even larger discounts are available for students. For more information and to register visit http://lopsa-east.org --------------------------------------- LOPSA-East (http://lopsa-east.org) is produced by The New Jersey chapter (http://lopsanj.org) of the League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) (http://lopsa.org) This will be the 4th annual conference, being held May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ.

April 4, 2013

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 4/10 7PM Jim Gettys on Internet buffer bloat

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) meeting will be held at its regularly scheduled time: the 2nd Wednesday of the month, which is Wednesday, April 10, at 7PM. The location will be the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331. This month we will have Jim Gettys from Bell Labs talk about Internet buffer bloat. "Internet buffer bloat, by Jim Gettys (Bell Labs) VOIP and teleconferencing often perform much more poorly on today's Internet than the Internet of a decade ago, despite great gains in bandwidth. Lots of fiber, cheap memory, smart hardware, variability of wireless goodput, changes in web browser behaviour, changes in TCP implementations, and a focus on benchmarking Internet performance solely by bandwidth, and engineer's natural reluctance to drop packets have conspired to encourage papering over problems by adding buffers; each of which may introduce latency when filled. The mistaken quest to never drop packets has destroyed interactivity under load, and often results in actual higher packet loss, as TCP's congestion avoidance algorithms have been defeated by these buffers. The lessons of the "RED manifesto" of 1997 have been forgotten or never learned by a new generation of engineers." Wednesday, April 10, 7:00 - 10:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331 I will also be raffling off some more items. Afterwards, we will go out for pizza. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

April 2, 2013

Early Bird Registration extended LOPSA-East 2013! (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013, New Brunswick, NJ

by LOPSA-East 2013

Register now and save! http://lopsa-east.org Space is limited! We have recieved a number of requests to extend discounted pricing from people either waiting on approval from their boss, or who just didn't get a chance to register before today. Considering how many people have contacted us, we've decided to extend our discounted pricing for just one more week. Early Bird pricing has been extended until April 8th for LOPSA-East (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency in New Brunswick, NJ. If you were on the fence, or waiting for approval, this is your last chance before prices go up! You can find out more at http://lopsa-east.org LOPSA-East begins Friday with an entire day of training offered by world class instructors. We have half day sessions on Team Efficiency, Configuration Management, Basic and Advanced PowerShell, IPV6 migration, and much more! The conference continues on Saturday, with more half day training sessions along with 45 minute presentations from invited speakers, 5 minute lightning talks, and 'birds of a feather' discussions on participant selected topics. (The entire training schedule can be found at http://lopsa-east.org/2013/lopsa-east-training/) Register now! Save up to $197 by registering during the extended Early Bird pricing! Even larger discounts are available for students. For more information and to register visit http://lopsa-east.org --------------------------------------- LOPSA-East (http://lopsa-east.org) is produced by The New Jersey chapter (http://lopsanj.org) of the League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) (http://lopsa.org) This will be the 4th annual conference, being held May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ.

April 1, 2013

Last week of Early Bird pricing for LOPSA-East (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013, New Brunswick, NJ

by LOPSA-East 2013

Early Bird Registration ends April 1st! http://lopsa-east.org Space is limited! Early Bird Registration is over April 1st for LOPSA-East 2013, May 3-4, at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ. After next week, prices will go up. IT professionals from the tri-state area and the entire east coast will be joining us for the most talked about community-driven IT conference of the year. You can find out more at http://lopsa-east.org LOPSA-East begins Friday with an entire day of training offered by world class instructors. We have half day sessions on Puppet, Wordpress, Basic and Advanced PowerShell, Virtualization, and much more! The conference continues on Saturday, with more half day training sessions along with 45 minute presentations from invited speakers, 5 minute lightning talks, and 'birds of a feather' discussions on participant selected topics. (The entire training schedule can be found at http://lopsa-east.org/2013/lopsa-east-training/) Register now! Save up to $197 by registering during the Early Bird pricing! Even larger discounts are available for students. For more information and to register visit http://lopsa-east.org --------------------------------------- LOPSA-East (http://lopsa-east.org) is produced by The New Jersey chapter (http://lopsanj.org) of the League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) (http://lopsa.org) This will be the 4th annual conference, being held May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ.

March 27, 2013

What does Stack Exchange do when disaster strikes? Find out at LOPSA-East (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013, New Brunswick, NJ

by LOPSA-East 2013

Early Bird Registration ends April 1st! http://lopsa-east.org Space is limited! In late October of 2012, Hurricane Sandy was wreaking havoc on the east coast. It was the second costliest hurricane in US history causing widespread power and service disruptions. George Beech, a System Aministrator at Stack Overflow, will be presenting a talk at LOPSA-East 2013 about their successful failover to a backup datacenter and what it took to keep their primary New York City datacenter operational while implementing the Disaster Recovery plan. This talk will focus mostly on Disaster Recovery and migration for a primarily windows based shop. Including: SQL 2012 failover DNS Migration Dealing with long term shutdown of AD DC's How their DR Plan survived it's encounter with reality He will also spend a little bit of time talking about what happened at the 75 Broad st. facility - and the efforts of all involved to keep that datacenter up and running. The 'Bucket Brigade' 24/7 Staffing rotations How three companies worked together (SquareSpace, Fog Creek, and Stack Exchange) to keep the lights on, and services running. -------------------------------------------- Early Bird Registration ends April 1st for the 2013 LOPSA-East conference, May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ. IT professionals from the tri-state area and the entire east coast will be joining us for the most talked about community-driven IT conference of the year. You can find out more at http://lopsa-east.org LOPSA-East begins Friday with an entire day of training offered by world class instructors. We have half day sessions on Team Efficiency, Configuration Management, Basic and Advanced PowerShell, IPV6 migration, and much more! The conference continues on Saturday, with more half day training sessions along with 45 minute presentations from invited speakers, 5 minute lightning talks, and 'birds of a feather' discussions on participant selected topics. (The entire training schedule can be found at http://lopsa-east.org/2013/lopsa-east-training/) Register now! Save up to $197 by registering during the Early Bird pricing! Even larger discounts are available for students. For more information and to register visit http://lopsa-east.org --------------------------------------- LOPSA-East (http://lopsa-east.org) is produced by The New Jersey chapter (http://lopsanj.org) of the League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) (http://lopsa.org) This will be the 4th annual conference, being held May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ.

March 22, 2013

Joel's Favorite Android Apps

by joel d

Hi everyone, First thanks being o.k. with my bringing my 5 year old on, Andrew to the last meeting. He does want to become a "Junior WLUG member". For that reason I did not contribute much to the android meeting. Below is a summary of my favorite apps, some were mentioned Wednesday and some were not. All are listed with a $ sign if they had a cost. I am a cheapskate so it had to be pretty good for me to fork some over. Thanks, Joel ============================================================== Favorite Android Apps Utilities: I leave these three running.... Llama (rules based phone control) Llama lets you define an "area" by the local cell phone tower ids You can then set logic based rules based upon location and/or time and/or ... Juice Defender Free Avast Antivirus USED DAILY: Swiftkey Keyboard $ 1.99 Aqua Mail Pro (for *all* e-mail accounts) $ 4.95 SugarSync - 5Gb of Cloud Sync (works like dropbox but sugarsync's android is better ) I sync hourly when on WIFI only. Sync documents and all cell photos with my desktop and laptop. Will do digital photos and also files! I use this for favorite PDF files of magazines, and owners manuals for complex items. PowerAmp (for playing MP3 and podcasts ) $3.99 10 band Equilizer is very handy for podcasts with hiss (just drop high and low frequencies down) Elixir2 (system info) Elixir2 Widgets (allowes more and smaller home page icons in widget) Elixir2 Personal Add On (smaller widget icon to include a contact person) DW Contacts and Phone and Dialer (this one does SO much, I mainly like the visuals on contacts & dialer) Astrid - Task list which syncs to website account Pocket - store web pages for later offline reading ConvertPad Convert units & currencies Bubble Find "Level" in multiple directions Brightest Flashlight RealCalc Sci Calculator UltraChron Stopwatch or Countdown Timer AlarmDroid Simple Alarmclock Librivox Download audiobooks from public domain (usu. 50+ years old) A cool app for kids stories (Aesop's, Peter Pan, Alice in Wonderland..) Networking/WIFI Stuff: Fing Wifi Analyzer (scan for WIFI) Speed Test FoxFi (create a portable hotspot) Buying Stuff: Amazon Shopping Ebay Paypal c.Mobile Craigslist Client Dolphin Browser (big & pretty browser & add ons) I sync my Firefox desktop favorites with xmarks. Handcent SMS - quick & easy text messages Allows customization of fonts and other item I like. YouTube - browser like for Youtube but better/smoother control aCalendar free - better interface, but still uses Android calendar data I sync aCalendar to my gmail calendar and use it for schedule. X-plore File Manager - handles files and photos locally X-plor also does dropbox/sugarsync/googledrive and ftp Once you get "files" to Android with SugarSync, I then need: Adobe PDF viewer Kingsoft Office very good office suite for viewing and editing Ham Radio & Radio Geek stuff: Repeater Book (listing of ham repeaters based upon your location) EchoLink (connect to radios & repeaters around the world via Internet) Scanner Radio (streams audio from scanners worldwide - incl Worcester F & P & EMS) Time Wasters / Games Kindle Flipboard - random news Plague Inc (like risk but you are trying to infect/kill world) Dead Trigger (FPS to shoot zombies) Andoku 2 (soduku app) Pandora stream generic music

March 18, 2013

Early Bird Registration ending soon for LOPSA-East 2013! (formerly PICC) May 3-4, 2013, New Brunswick, NJ

by LOPSA-East 2013

Register early and save! http://lopsa-east.org Space is limited! Early Bird Registration ends April 1st for the 2013 LOPSA-East conference, May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ. IT professionals from the tri-state area and the entire east coast will be joining us for the most talked about community-driven IT conference of the year. You can find out more at http://lopsa-east.org LOPSA-East begins Friday with an entire day of training offered by world class instructors. We have half day sessions on Team Efficiency, Configuration Management, Basic and Advanced PowerShell, IPV6 migration, and much more! The conference continues on Saturday, with more half day training sessions along with 45 minute presentations from invited speakers, 5 minute lightning talks, and 'birds of a feather' discussions on participant selected topics. (The entire training schedule can be found at http://lopsa-east.org/2013/lopsa-east-training/) Register now! Save up to $197 by registering during the Early Bird pricing! Even larger discounts are available for students. For more information and to register visit http://lopsa-east.org --------------------------------------- LOPSA-East (http://lopsa-east.org) is produced by The New Jersey chapter (http://lopsanj.org) of the League of Professional System Administrators (LOPSA) (http://lopsa.org) This will be the 4th annual conference, being held May 3-4, 2013 at the Hyatt Regency hotel in New Brunswick, NJ.

March 17, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Northeast Linux Fest

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 03:02:08PM -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 03/07/2013 02:38 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Just curious if anyone from the WLUG is planning to attend the Northeast > > Linuxfest at Harvard March 16? > > > > I'm planning to go. My current plans are to make a day trip in on > > Saturday. > > > > Ron > > I am presenting at it, on Saturday. > > Secure Linux Containers > > Dan I'll be there both days.

March 16, 2013

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 3/13 7PM Android Apps

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) meeting will be held at its regularly scheduled time: the 2nd Wednesday of the month, which is tomorrow, Wednesday, March 13, at 7PM. The location will be the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331. Wednesday, March 13, 7:00 - 10:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331 Your Favorite Android Apps Afterwards, we will go out for pizza. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

March 12, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2

by Karl Lind

Yep, Going Saturday and Sunday. Looking forward to a little hob-knobbing :\|D . Karl On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:47 AM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Northeast Linux Fest (The Hammer) > 2. WLUG website issue? (The Hammer) > 3. Re: WLUG website issue? (Frank Sweetser) > 4. Re: Northeast Linux Fest (Daniel J Walsh) > 5. Re: WLUG website issue? (Keith Wright) > 6. Re: WLUG website issue? (The Hammer) > 7. Re: WLUG website issue? (Keith Wright) > 8. Re: WLUG website issue? (The Hammer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:38:41 -0500 > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Northeast Linux Fest > To: WLUG <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <CADL5mQzJ8rGkRaTKM2iT5nAAq_k-yo5RBg= > yg3HtWhBAqZTBLw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey guys, > > Just curious if anyone from the WLUG is planning to attend the Northeast > Linuxfest at Harvard March 16? > > I'm planning to go. My current plans are to make a day trip in on > Saturday. > > Ron > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20130307/898e14ab/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:40:43 -0500 > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: WLUG <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CADL5mQxaS4TwyXAzeVRHW-8ydyqymGuE4pfZ7d8v8p72B-YQ1Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm not sure who the proper contact is, but lately have not been able to > get onto the website at > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > It says: > > Bad Request > > Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. > Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. > Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. > > Hint: *https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/* <https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/> > > ------------------------------ > Apache/2.2.15 (Scientific Linux) Server at angus.ind.wpi.edu Port 443 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20130307/02830815/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 14:56:24 -0500 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <5138F0E8.6070802(a)wpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able to > get > > onto the website at > > > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > > > It says: > > > > > > Bad Request > > > > Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. > > Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. > > Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. > > > > Hint: *https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/* > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apache/2.2.15 (Scientific Linux) Server at angus.ind.wpi.edu > > <http://angus.ind.wpi.edu> Port 443 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 15:02:08 -0500 > From: Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Northeast Linux Fest > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <5138F240.4060808(a)redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/07/2013 02:38 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Just curious if anyone from the WLUG is planning to attend the Northeast > > Linuxfest at Harvard March 16? > > > > I'm planning to go. My current plans are to make a day trip in on > > Saturday. > > > > Ron > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > I am presenting at it, on Saturday. > > Secure Linux Containers > > Dan > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAlE48kAACgkQrlYvE4MpobNdyQCdExxvL5zG8wu/tulA3VrETgnF > Xa0AoNM0WP/o9+0to0xspGhvzurLdPba > =tKNe > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:37:39 -0500 > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <201303072337.r27NbdSK004584(a)localhost.localdomain> > > > Works for me. It says: > > Topic: Your Favorite Android Apps > > Date/Time: Wednesday, March 13 > 7:00 - 10:00 PM > > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > > > On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able > to get > > > onto the website at > > > > > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > > > > > It says: > > > > > > > > > Bad Request > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 07:20:26 -0500 > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CADL5mQwTDNNwrTJwXO7FN3xHcsJegiyKAmhkwm1+qs3b-JhquQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ..I just tried it at a different location and it's fine here...very odd > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > > > > > Works for me. It says: > > > > Topic: Your Favorite Android Apps > > > > Date/Time: Wednesday, March 13 > > 7:00 - 10:00 PM > > > > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > > > > > On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > > > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able > > to get > > > > onto the website at > > > > > > > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > > > > > > > It says: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bad Request > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20130308/a7afd77c/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:37:12 -0500 > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <201303081337.r28DbCPx003633(a)localhost.localdomain> > > > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > > > > ..I just tried it at a different location and it's > > fine here...very odd > > What's odd? Frank says it's fixed and it's fixed. > > > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 08:47:08 -0500 > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <CADL5mQxa9mS4==pk-= > v81UY7fZuU3njNPuZaEck9UOKenBSaJg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ..my one thought is the computer with the trouble was running *cough* > Windows xp...it has AGV virus protection. I'm wondering if AVG is blocking > the site. I will try to check setting next week when I see it again > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > > > > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > > > > > > ..I just tried it at a different location and it's > > > fine here...very odd > > > > What's odd? Frank says it's fixed and it's fixed. > > > > > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20130308/6f5650a6/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 113, Issue 2 > ************************************ >

March 10, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by Doug Chamberlin

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu>wrote: > "Windows xp"...? What's that? > Jurassic software. Dates back to the CP/Mzoic period, I believe.

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

> "Windows xp"...? What's that? The amount of experience points you get for killing the digital ooze that infects many computers.

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by Michael C Voorhis

The Hammer writes: > ..my one thought is the computer with the trouble was running > *cough* Windows xp...it has AGV virus protection. "Windows xp"...? What's that?

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by The Hammer

..my one thought is the computer with the trouble was running *cough* Windows xp...it has AGV virus protection. I'm wondering if AVG is blocking the site. I will try to check setting next week when I see it again On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > > > > ..I just tried it at a different location and it's > > fine here...very odd > > What's odd? Frank says it's fixed and it's fixed. > > > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by Keith Wright

> From: The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> > > ..I just tried it at a different location and it's > fine here...very odd What's odd? Frank says it's fixed and it's fixed. > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now.

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by The Hammer

..I just tried it at a different location and it's fine here...very odd On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > Works for me. It says: > > Topic: Your Favorite Android Apps > > Date/Time: Wednesday, March 13 > 7:00 - 10:00 PM > > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > > > On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able > to get > > > onto the website at > > > > > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > > > > > It says: > > > > > > > > > Bad Request > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by Keith Wright

Works for me. It says: Topic: Your Favorite Android Apps Date/Time: Wednesday, March 13 7:00 - 10:00 PM Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. > > On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able to get > > onto the website at > > > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > > > It says: > > > > > > Bad Request

March 7, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Northeast Linux Fest

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 03/07/2013 02:38 PM, The Hammer wrote: > Hey guys, > > Just curious if anyone from the WLUG is planning to attend the Northeast > Linuxfest at Harvard March 16? > > I'm planning to go. My current plans are to make a day trip in on > Saturday. > > Ron > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I am presenting at it, on Saturday. Secure Linux Containers Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlE48kAACgkQrlYvE4MpobNdyQCdExxvL5zG8wu/tulA3VrETgnF Xa0AoNM0WP/o9+0to0xspGhvzurLdPba =tKNe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 7, 2013

Re: [Wlug] WLUG website issue?

by Frank Sweetser

Thanks for the heads up, this should be fixed now. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 3/7/2013 2:40 PM, The Hammer wrote: > I'm not sure whothe proper contact is, but lately have not been able to get > onto the website at > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > It says: > > > Bad Request > > Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. > Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. > Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. > > Hint: *https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apache/2.2.15 (Scientific Linux) Server at angus.ind.wpi.edu > <http://angus.ind.wpi.edu> Port 443 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 7, 2013

WLUG website issue?

by The Hammer

I'm not sure who the proper contact is, but lately have not been able to get onto the website at http://www.wlug.org/ It says: Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. Hint: *https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/* <https://angus.ind.wpi.edu/> ------------------------------ Apache/2.2.15 (Scientific Linux) Server at angus.ind.wpi.edu Port 443

March 7, 2013

Northeast Linux Fest

by The Hammer

Hey guys, Just curious if anyone from the WLUG is planning to attend the Northeast Linuxfest at Harvard March 16? I'm planning to go. My current plans are to make a day trip in on Saturday. Ron

March 7, 2013

The 3rd annual Northeast Linux Fest

by Jonathan Nadeau

Hello, I would like to annouce the 3rd annual Northeast Linux Fest. It will be on March 16 and 17 at Harvard University in the Science building. If you are new to Linux or a seasoned veteran this is the place for you. We will have speakers from Red Hat teaching you how to leverage virtualization using Openshift and KVM. The Fedora distribution will have their own track giving talks on all things Fedora. John Sullivan from the Free Software Foundation will be there also. Jon 'Maddog" Hall who has been there from the start of it all will be giving the keynote. We also will have an all day class for new Linux users. This event is free and to learn more about it here is the website. http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org -- Jonathan Nadeau http://www.jnadeau.org Northeast GNU/Linux fest http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org

March 6, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Idea for next month's WLUG meeting....

by Eric Martin

I can bring my mhl adapter for most phones, although it doesn't work for galaxy s3 at the moment. On Feb 18, 2013 4:05 PM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Great idea. I put that in as the topic for next month on the website > and IRC channel. > > We may be able to use HDMI out on phones/tablets to the projector, or > use a document camera (the modern replacement for the overhead > projector). > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 06:33:44PM -0500, joel d wrote: > > Over pizza last night I had a WLUG meeting idea I thought I would > > share with the group. > > > > Seems many WLUG members have Android phones and tablets. > > > > How about a show & tell about each of our favorite Android applications? > > > > Android is Linux-based so it is somewhat relevent to our group. > > > > I am not sure how we can "show these" up on a big screen but a laptop > > could easily go to the web page (or developer's page) via browser > > might work. > > > > I am happy to contribute my 5 to 10 favorites in the Android App world. > > Sharing these in this e-mail group might make sense also if people so > choose. > > > > Anyone else have thoughts on this topic? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 19, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Idea for next month's WLUG meeting....

by Chuck Anderson

Great idea. I put that in as the topic for next month on the website and IRC channel. We may be able to use HDMI out on phones/tablets to the projector, or use a document camera (the modern replacement for the overhead projector). On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 06:33:44PM -0500, joel d wrote: > Over pizza last night I had a WLUG meeting idea I thought I would > share with the group. > > Seems many WLUG members have Android phones and tablets. > > How about a show & tell about each of our favorite Android applications? > > Android is Linux-based so it is somewhat relevent to our group. > > I am not sure how we can "show these" up on a big screen but a laptop > could easily go to the web page (or developer's page) via browser > might work. > > I am happy to contribute my 5 to 10 favorites in the Android App world. > Sharing these in this e-mail group might make sense also if people so choose. > > Anyone else have thoughts on this topic? > > Thank you, > > Joel

Feb. 18, 2013

Idea for next month's WLUG meeting....

by joel d

Over pizza last night I had a WLUG meeting idea I thought I would share with the group. Seems many WLUG members have Android phones and tablets. How about a show & tell about each of our favorite Android applications? Android is Linux-based so it is somewhat relevent to our group. I am not sure how we can "show these" up on a big screen but a laptop could easily go to the web page (or developer's page) via browser might work. I am happy to contribute my 5 to 10 favorites in the Android App world. Sharing these in this e-mail group might make sense also if people so choose. Anyone else have thoughts on this topic? Thank you, Joel

Feb. 14, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 2/13 7PM More Raspberry Pi

by Chuck Anderson

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I have some NEW raffle items! On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 07:52:08PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi folks, > > The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) meeting will be held at > its regularly scheduled time: the 2nd Wednesday of the month, which is > tomorrow, Wednesday, February 13, at 7PM. The location will be the > WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331, which should hopefully become > our regular location. > > If people would like, I can bring my new Raspberry Pi to play with. I > might even have a case for it by then. I have installed a distro > called OpenELEC which is an XBMC port, but we can play with other > distros as well, especially if people bring some spare SD cards they > don't mind erasing. > > Wednesday, February 13, 7:00 - 10:00 PM > WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331 > More Raspberry Pi > > Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and maybe raspberry pie. > > See you there, > Chuck > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group > http://www.wlug.org/

Feb. 13, 2013

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 2/13 7PM More Raspberry Pi

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) meeting will be held at its regularly scheduled time: the 2nd Wednesday of the month, which is tomorrow, Wednesday, February 13, at 7PM. The location will be the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331, which should hopefully become our regular location. If people would like, I can bring my new Raspberry Pi to play with. I might even have a case for it by then. I have installed a distro called OpenELEC which is an XBMC port, but we can play with other distros as well, especially if people bring some spare SD cards they don't mind erasing. Wednesday, February 13, 7:00 - 10:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Mid-Centry Room 331 More Raspberry Pi Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and maybe raspberry pie. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

Feb. 13, 2013

Virtualization/Linux/Storage openings at MathWorks.

by Adam Keck

Hi All, We have a Linux/Virtualization position and a Storage/Virtualization position open. I believe both are project-focused. Please email me off-list, if you are interested. Thanks! -Adam

Feb. 7, 2013

Linux experience needed ... Just came by my desk.

by Bob

Don't know if this would be of interest to anyone in our group but doesn't hurt to let you all know about it. http://careers.computer.org/jobs/5114650/linux-systems-engineer?lf1=9583874… Bob

Feb. 5, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting TODAY Wed 1/9 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 06:07:31PM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > Chuck Anderson wrote, on Jan 09, 2013 at 10:09 EST: > > [-- PGP output follows (current time: Wed 09 Jan 2013 06:04:44 PM EST) --] > > gpg: Signature made Wed 09 Jan 2013 10:09:05 AM EST using DSA key ID 49BB5886 > > gpg: Good signature from "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>" > > gpg: aka "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu>" > > gpg: aka "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)fedoraproject.org>" > > gpg: Note: This key has expired! > > Primary key fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > [-- End of PGP output --] > > Anyone else notice that "This key has expired!" bit? :) I didn't notice since either I forgot to push to subkeys.pgp.net when I extended it last year, or you (and others) forgot to pull it down again...probably the former. I just pushed it now, so if you pull it should be good. Thanks for noticing.

Jan. 10, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting TODAY Wed 1/9 7PM

by Aaron Haviland

Chuck Anderson wrote, on Jan 09, 2013 at 10:09 EST: > [-- PGP output follows (current time: Wed 09 Jan 2013 06:04:44 PM EST) --] > gpg: Signature made Wed 09 Jan 2013 10:09:05 AM EST using DSA key ID 49BB5886 > gpg: Good signature from "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu>" > gpg: aka "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu>" > gpg: aka "Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)fedoraproject.org>" > gpg: Note: This key has expired! > Primary key fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > [-- End of PGP output --] Anyone else notice that "This key has expired!" bit? :) -- Aaron Haviland

Jan. 9, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting TODAY Wed 1/9 7PM

by Tim Keller

Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend because of the lack of advanced notice... See you guys in Feb... Tim. On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > > > The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be > > held Today, Wednesday, January 9, at 7PM. The location will be WPI > > Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129. > > > > Wednesday, January 9, 7:00 - 10:00 PM > > WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129 > > > > Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. > > > > See you there, > > I plan to be there. Since there is no scheduled speaker, I will > step into the breach. I have no slides or demos, but I will bring > some dusty paper and lead a discussion of "Literate Programming", > alternate title "What I Did the Last Fourty Years". > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting TODAY Wed 1/9 7PM

by Keith Wright

> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be > held Today, Wednesday, January 9, at 7PM. The location will be WPI > Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129. > > Wednesday, January 9, 7:00 - 10:00 PM > WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129 > > Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. > > See you there, I plan to be there. Since there is no scheduled speaker, I will step into the breach. I have no slides or demos, but I will bring some dusty paper and lead a discussion of "Literate Programming", alternate title "What I Did the Last Fourty Years". -- Keith

Jan. 9, 2013

Announce: WLUG Meeting TODAY Wed 1/9 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be held Today, Wednesday, January 9, at 7PM. The location will be WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129. Wednesday, January 9, 7:00 - 10:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129 Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

Jan. 9, 2013

Meeting today: January 9 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry for the late notice. I'm reserving a room now for tonight & all future 2nd Wednesdays at 7PM in 2013. I'll let the group know the location as soon as it has been approved. On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 02:37:07PM -0500, Henrique wrote: > Hey, > > I can reserve the room, and we do not have a topic; I also just emailed a > guy from WWT <http://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Web-Technology/>if he is > interested in making a git talk, but I think it would be too early notice. > I will keep you guys updated. > > Cheers, > Henrique. > > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since it's now Tuesday and there's been no official announcement... > > > > Are we having a meeting on the 10th? > > > > If so, has a room been reserved? > > > > Is there a topic? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 9, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Are we having a meeting on the 10th?

by Henrique

Hey, I can reserve the room, and we do not have a topic; I also just emailed a guy from WWT <http://www.meetup.com/Worcester-Web-Technology/>if he is interested in making a git talk, but I think it would be too early notice. I will keep you guys updated. Cheers, Henrique. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Since it's now Tuesday and there's been no official announcement... > > Are we having a meeting on the 10th? > > If so, has a room been reserved? > > Is there a topic? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 8, 2013

Are we having a meeting on the 10th?

by Tim Keller

Since it's now Tuesday and there's been no official announcement... Are we having a meeting on the 10th? If so, has a room been reserved? Is there a topic? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 8, 2013

Fwd: [Dc401-l] Javascript Hackathon at Betaspring - Providence Feb. 2nd 2013

by Adam Gomes

Thought that some of you might be interested in doing this. --Adam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Johnson <ag3nt5(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM Subject: [Dc401-l] Javascript Hackathon at Betaspring - Providence Feb. 2nd 2013 To: "dc401-l(a)lists.dc401.org" <dc401-l(a)lists.dc401.org> DowncityJS is a 24-hour JavaScript Hackathon taking place in Providence, RI on February 2nd. The rules are simple: show up with your laptop, design or development skills, and assemble a team of likeminded hackers (or participate by yourself if you are brave enough) ready to build the best web application of JavaScript library in 24 hours. Food and beverages will be provided by the Founders League and space and connectivity will be provided by Betaspring. 95 Chestnut Street, 3rd Floor, Providence, RI 02903 Check out http://downcityjs.com/ for more info. __________________________________________ http://lists.dc401.org/listinfo.cgi/dc401-l-dc401.org

Jan. 7, 2013

next WLUG meeting?

by The Hammer

Hi, Does anyone have the next meeting date/time/location? regards, Ron

Jan. 7, 2013

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by John Stoffel

Yup, what you did makes perfect sense. It's probably a bug in RHEL5.3, can you upgrade? I'm going to be busy at work the rest of the week and might not have the time to play with this on my RHEL 5.5/5.6 systems either. Bill> Note that the config I had originally described works on other systems Bill> (versions, distros). It's a little crazy-making. Bill> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 05:17:14PM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:17:14 -0500 >> From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts >> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Precedence: list >> >> >>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: >> >> >>>>> "Bill" == Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> writes: Bill> I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our Bill> several flavors of linux servers. >> Bill> The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition Bill> by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: >> Bill> +userx:::::/home/userx: >> John> Don't do that, just put the user entry in there without the leading +, John> then it will override properly. >> >> But thinking about it more (not tested yet though) you just want to >> override the home directory, but keep his password in NIS. Fun. I'll >> have to play around and see what I can test tmorrow. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Bill> _______________________________________________ Bill> Wlug mailing list Bill> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Bill> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 20, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by Bill Mills-Curran

Note that the config I had originally described works on other systems (versions, distros). It's a little crazy-making. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 05:17:14PM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:17:14 -0500 > From: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > >>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > > >>>>> "Bill" == Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> writes: > Bill> I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our > Bill> several flavors of linux servers. > > Bill> The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition > Bill> by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: > > Bill> +userx:::::/home/userx: > > John> Don't do that, just put the user entry in there without the leading +, > John> then it will override properly. > > But thinking about it more (not tested yet though) you just want to > override the home directory, but keep his password in NIS. Fun. I'll > have to play around and see what I can test tmorrow. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: >>>>> "Bill" == Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> writes: Bill> I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our Bill> several flavors of linux servers. Bill> The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition Bill> by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: Bill> +userx:::::/home/userx: John> Don't do that, just put the user entry in there without the leading +, John> then it will override properly. But thinking about it more (not tested yet though) you just want to override the home directory, but keep his password in NIS. Fun. I'll have to play around and see what I can test tmorrow. John

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> writes: Bill> I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our Bill> several flavors of linux servers. Bill> The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition Bill> by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: Bill> +userx:::::/home/userx: Don't do that, just put the user entry in there without the leading +, then it will override properly. John

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by John Stoffel

Bill> No joy. That didn't do it, unless I need to reboot something. Works for me on a RHEL5.5 box. I took one of my users, changed his home directory and put it into /etc/passwd on the local system. sudo su - <user> put me into the new home dir, just like I expected. I have: passwd: files nis in /etc/nsswitch.conf What do you see on your RHEL5.3 box when you do: getent passwd <user> that will tell you also. Also, make sure you bouce the nscd daemon, it might be caching the old entries. John

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by Bill Mills-Curran

No joy. That didn't do it, unless I need to reboot something. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 03:24:00PM -0500, Mills-Curran, Bill wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:24:00 -0500 > From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > Tim, > > I /thought/ I tried that configuration, too. I'll give it another > shot. I know that some systems need the "compat". > > Bill > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:13:21 -0500 > > From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>, > > Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net>, > > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts > > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Precedence: list > > > > You need to have your passwd entry as: > > passwd: files nis > > Then it'll look at your local /etc/passwd, then nis. > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > wrote: > > > > I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our > > several flavors of linux servers. > > > > The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition > > by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: > > > > +userx:::::/home/userx: > > +@grpx:::::: > > +:::::: > > > > /etc/nsswitch.conf has (in part): > > > > passwd: * * compat > > shadow: * * files nis > > group: * * *files nis > > > > The distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.2 > > (Tikanga). > > > > If this was working I would get the following: > > > > > echo ~userx > > /home/userx > > > > Instead, I'm getting the login dir specified in NIS. > > > > I've successfully configured a Red Hat 6.3 server to work properly, > > but this one is driving me batty. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > TIA, > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by Bill Mills-Curran

Tim, I /thought/ I tried that configuration, too. I'll give it another shot. I know that some systems need the "compat". Bill On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:13:21 -0500 > From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>, > Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net>, > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > You need to have your passwd entry as: > passwd: files nis > Then it'll look at your local /etc/passwd, then nis. > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > wrote: > > I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our > several flavors of linux servers. > > The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition > by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: > > +userx:::::/home/userx: > +@grpx:::::: > +:::::: > > /etc/nsswitch.conf has (in part): > > passwd: * * compat > shadow: * * files nis > group: * * *files nis > > The distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.2 > (Tikanga). > > If this was working I would get the following: > > > echo ~userx > /home/userx > > Instead, I'm getting the login dir specified in NIS. > > I've successfully configured a Red Hat 6.3 server to work properly, > but this one is driving me batty. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Overriding NIS accounts

by Tim Keller

You need to have your passwd entry as: passwd: files nis Then it'll look at your local /etc/passwd, then nis. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net>wrote: > I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our > several flavors of linux servers. > > The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition > by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: > > +userx:::::/home/userx: > +@grpx:::::: > +:::::: > > /etc/nsswitch.conf has (in part): > > passwd: compat > shadow: files nis > group: files nis > > The distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.2 > (Tikanga). > > If this was working I would get the following: > > > echo ~userx > /home/userx > > Instead, I'm getting the login dir specified in NIS. > > I've successfully configured a Red Hat 6.3 server to work properly, > but this one is driving me batty. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 19, 2012

Overriding NIS accounts

by Bill Mills-Curran

I have an issue at my work with the configuration of one of our several flavors of linux servers. The goal is to override the NIS-specified login directory definition by using this syntax in /etc/passwd: +userx:::::/home/userx: +@grpx:::::: +:::::: /etc/nsswitch.conf has (in part): passwd: compat shadow: files nis group: files nis The distribution is Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.2 (Tikanga). If this was working I would get the following: > echo ~userx /home/userx Instead, I'm getting the login dir specified in NIS. I've successfully configured a Red Hat 6.3 server to work properly, but this one is driving me batty. Any suggestions? TIA, Bill

Dec. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:54:35PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 23:54:35 -0500 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:08:28PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several > > entries like this on my home server: > > > > userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) > > > > (userxx represents my username) > > > > I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: > > Besides the fact that the IP you are looking up doesn't match the > hostname c-24-91-141-172 in forward or reverse order (you are off by > one), you can't be sure of the format of the logged hostname--you are > assuming you need to reverse the components of the hostname to come up > with an IP address of 172.141.91.24, but how do you know it isn't > really 24.91.141.172? How can you be sure there is any relation at > all between the FQDN format and any IP address at all? Also, you are > looking at trumcated hostnames from "last". > > You should always check the actual IP that was logged in wtmp with > last -i, and put the hostname or IP at the end of the output lines so > it doesn't get truncated with last -a: > > last -i -a > > and then do a whois lookup on that IP. > > Reverse DNS can't be trusted since the owner of the IP address can > often set their reverse DNS to absolutely anything they want--it > should never be relied upon solely for audit logging. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Thanks for the tip.

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:08:28PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several > entries like this on my home server: > > userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) > > (userxx represents my username) > > I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: Besides the fact that the IP you are looking up doesn't match the hostname c-24-91-141-172 in forward or reverse order (you are off by one), you can't be sure of the format of the logged hostname--you are assuming you need to reverse the components of the hostname to come up with an IP address of 172.141.91.24, but how do you know it isn't really 24.91.141.172? How can you be sure there is any relation at all between the FQDN format and any IP address at all? Also, you are looking at trumcated hostnames from "last". You should always check the actual IP that was logged in wtmp with last -i, and put the hostname or IP at the end of the output lines so it doesn't get truncated with last -a: last -i -a and then do a whois lookup on that IP. Reverse DNS can't be trusted since the owner of the IP address can often set their reverse DNS to absolutely anything they want--it should never be relied upon solely for audit logging.

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm already using denyhosts, and I've accumulated quite a list of banned hosts as a result. As I noted in an earlier response, I found there was no intrusion -- only a poor memory on my part. I forgot that I logged in from my church's network, and I didn't recognize the DNS entry. So, it was a false alarm. To all who responded: thanks for your attention and suggestions. Bill On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 06:56:03PM -0500, Jason Couture wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:56:03 -0500 > From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > I'd look into setting up fail2ban, it hasn't failed me yet. (Even if this > wasn't an intrusion, better safe than sorry) > > On Dec 16, 2012 3:59 PM, "David Coutu" <cout(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > Well Bill, not knowing much about your home network > topology/architecture (routing, firewall, NAT/port-forwarding, ISP, > dynamic DNS etc.), or how you SSH into your Linux box (i.e. through a > public external IP/FQDN or through a private local IP/FQDN) limits how > best to answer this, but I'll make some various assumptions along the > way.... > I'll agree with Theo tho, it's a Comcast address, not an AOL one when > you do a reverse lookup on '24.91.141.172'. *If you run 'last' with a > couple different flags, it will present the IP/host in their entirety > since it will place it in the last column, with either the FQDN of the > IP, or just the IP. > Ex. > #>*last -a * (or 'last -ad' for that matter) > userxx * * pts/0 * * * *Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 *(00:32) * * > c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net > #> last -ai > userxx * * pts/0 * * * *Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 *(00:32) * * > 24.91.141.172 > If Comcast is your ISP, then there is a topology where this would just > be you, but I'm pretty sure you'd know that it was yourself since it > takes some effort to setup. *You'd have to be doing > NAT'ing/Port-Forwarding on your cable modem or router for the SSH port > to your Linux box, and ssh'ing into your Linux box on that external > address (which would probably get associated with dynamic DNS updates > from the router/modem) from your local net. *Since you were taking that > route, you'd get NAT'd to the router/cable modem's external IP (or a > global NAT IP you have configured to present to the internet for > outbound connections), which would show up in the 'last' output as that > IP/FQDN of that IP. > Are you ssh'ing into your Linux box on it's internal LAN IP or at it's > external public IP? *What IP gets reported back to you when you go to > http://whatismyip.com from the box you ssh into your linux box from? > *Like I said initially, I'm pretty sure you'd know your network and > system set up, and would know if this was actually you are not. > Now all of this is completely moot if your ISP isn't Comcast. *And from > looking at your email headers, I see a few hops of > yours*mills-curran.net (206.130.122.207) &*cheapo.curran > (pool-108-20-153-93.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.153.93]), which > obviously aren't Comcast. > FWIW, my best practice is to implicitly deny all SSH connections and > explicitly allow only the ones I want in /etc/hosts.allow. *Makes it a > PITA when I'm on a new network for the first time, but it definitely > adds another layer someone has to work around to get in. *If you > block*24.91.141.172 in your hosts.deny, do you get 'refused connect > from*c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (24.91.141.172)' messages in > /var/log/secure (or the Debian equivalent, I think that's what you are > running based on some of the mail headers). > Dave > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:34:06 -0500 > From: iris.gates(a)gmail.com > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? > > Output of last here reports my own static internal IP address. It's a > 192.__._.__ number. > > Output of last on friend's laptop here reports a whole bunch of stuff > (bootups &etc) but no IP address at all. > > Third PC here has custom Debian install, and there is no output for > last.* Whatever package it's in is not installed, I guess. > > We are not wireless. Running through my router, my modem, Charter ISP. > > Liz J > * > > On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a > host name not an IP.* c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net.* Is this > your cable modem? > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Steve Pelland

Did you by chance look at the logs of your router? (If that is logging) can you see an in bound connection to your box? Is there a WAP in the house? Is it secured? WPA2? If so what about those logs? Any unusual machine names on the network toplogy? (meaning is someone squatting on your network and you dont know yet? ) Just ideas. On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com>wrote: > RFC1918 which defines internal ip space doesn't include all of 172.*. > Most of it is public space. > On Dec 16, 2012 1:10 PM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: > >> 172.... default Airport wireless address range? >> >> >> >> >> On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >> >> I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host >> name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable >> modem? >> On Dec 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Bill Mills-Curran" <bill(a)mills-curran.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several >>> entries like this on my home server: >>> >>> userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) >>> >>> (userxx represents my username) >>> >>> I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: >>> >>> host 172.141.92.24 >>> 24.92.141.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com. >>> >>> Looks like something from AOL. >>> >>> I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that >>> IP in /etc/hosts.deny. >>> >>> I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... but the "last" output shows >>> this as connecting with my username. >>> >>> Any ideas? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> -- >> David P. Connell >> "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Gentlemen, *we can* rebuild him. *We have the technology*.

Dec. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Jason Couture

I'd look into setting up fail2ban, it hasn't failed me yet. (Even if this wasn't an intrusion, better safe than sorry) On Dec 16, 2012 3:59 PM, "David Coutu" <cout(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Well Bill, not knowing much about your home network > topology/architecture (routing, firewall, NAT/port-forwarding, ISP, dynamic > DNS etc.), or how you SSH into your Linux box (i.e. through a public > external IP/FQDN or through a private local IP/FQDN) limits how best to > answer this, but I'll make some various assumptions along the way.... > > I'll agree with Theo tho, it's a Comcast address, not an AOL one when you > do a reverse lookup on '24.91.141.172'. If you run 'last' with a couple > different flags, it will present the IP/host in their entirety since it > will place it in the last column, with either the FQDN of the IP, or just > the IP. > > Ex. > > #> last -a (or 'last -ad' for that matter) > userxx pts/0 Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 (00:32) > c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net > > #> last -ai > userxx pts/0 Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 (00:32) 24.91.141.172 > > If Comcast is your ISP, then there is a topology where this would just be > you, but I'm pretty sure you'd know that it was yourself since it takes > some effort to setup. You'd have to be doing NAT'ing/Port-Forwarding on > your cable modem or router for the SSH port to your Linux box, and ssh'ing > into your Linux box on that external address (which would probably get > associated with dynamic DNS updates from the router/modem) from your local > net. Since you were taking that route, you'd get NAT'd to the router/cable > modem's external IP (or a global NAT IP you have configured to present to > the internet for outbound connections), which would show up in the 'last' > output as that IP/FQDN of that IP. > > Are you ssh'ing into your Linux box on it's internal LAN IP or at it's > external public IP? What IP gets reported back to you when you go to > http://whatismyip.com from the box you ssh into your linux box from? > Like I said initially, I'm pretty sure you'd know your network and system > set up, and would know if this was actually you are not. > > Now all of this is completely moot if your ISP isn't Comcast. And from > looking at your email headers, I see a few hops of yours mills-curran.net(206.130.122.207) > & cheapo.curran (pool-108-20-153-93.bstnma.fios.verizon.net[108.20.153.93]), which obviously aren't Comcast. > > FWIW, my best practice is to implicitly deny all SSH connections and > explicitly allow only the ones I want in /etc/hosts.allow. Makes it a PITA > when I'm on a new network for the first time, but it definitely adds > another layer someone has to work around to get in. If you block 24.91.141.172 > in your hosts.deny, do you get 'refused connect from > c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (24.91.141.172)' messages in > /var/log/secure (or the Debian equivalent, I think that's what you are > running based on some of the mail headers). > > Dave > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:34:06 -0500 > From: iris.gates(a)gmail.com > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? > > Output of last here reports my own static internal IP address. It's a > 192.__._.__ number. > > Output of last on friend's laptop here reports a whole bunch of stuff > (bootups &etc) but no IP address at all. > > Third PC here has custom Debian install, and there is no output for last. > Whatever package it's in is not installed, I guess. > > We are not wireless. Running through my router, my modem, Charter ISP. > > Liz J > > > On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host > name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable > modem? > > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by David Coutu

Well Bill, not knowing much about your home network topology/architecture (routing, firewall, NAT/port-forwarding, ISP, dynamic DNS etc.), or how you SSH into your Linux box (i.e. through a public external IP/FQDN or through a private local IP/FQDN) limits how best to answer this, but I'll make some various assumptions along the way.... I'll agree with Theo tho, it's a Comcast address, not an AOL one when you do a reverse lookup on '24.91.141.172'. If you run 'last' with a couple different flags, it will present the IP/host in their entirety since it will place it in the last column, with either the FQDN of the IP, or just the IP. Ex. #> last -a (or 'last -ad' for that matter)userxx pts/0 Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 (00:32) c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net #> last -aiuserxx pts/0 Sat Dec 15 20:45 - 21:18 (00:32) 24.91.141.172 If Comcast is your ISP, then there is a topology where this would just be you, but I'm pretty sure you'd know that it was yourself since it takes some effort to setup. You'd have to be doing NAT'ing/Port-Forwarding on your cable modem or router for the SSH port to your Linux box, and ssh'ing into your Linux box on that external address (which would probably get associated with dynamic DNS updates from the router/modem) from your local net. Since you were taking that route, you'd get NAT'd to the router/cable modem's external IP (or a global NAT IP you have configured to present to the internet for outbound connections), which would show up in the 'last' output as that IP/FQDN of that IP. Are you ssh'ing into your Linux box on it's internal LAN IP or at it's external public IP? What IP gets reported back to you when you go to http://whatismyip.com from the box you ssh into your linux box from? Like I said initially, I'm pretty sure you'd know your network and system set up, and would know if this was actually you are not. Now all of this is completely moot if your ISP isn't Comcast. And from looking at your email headers, I see a few hops of yours mills-curran.net (206.130.122.207) & cheapo.curran (pool-108-20-153-93.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.153.93]), which obviously aren't Comcast. FWIW, my best practice is to implicitly deny all SSH connections and explicitly allow only the ones I want in /etc/hosts.allow. Makes it a PITA when I'm on a new network for the first time, but it definitely adds another layer someone has to work around to get in. If you block 24.91.141.172 in your hosts.deny, do you get 'refused connect from c-24-91-141-172.hsd1.ma.comcast.net (24.91.141.172)' messages in /var/log/secure (or the Debian equivalent, I think that's what you are running based on some of the mail headers). Dave Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:34:06 -0500 From: iris.gates(a)gmail.com To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? Output of last here reports my own static internal IP address. It's a 192.__._.__ number. Output of last on friend's laptop here reports a whole bunch of stuff (bootups &etc) but no IP address at all. Third PC here has custom Debian install, and there is no output for last. Whatever package it's in is not installed, I guess. We are not wireless. Running through my router, my modem, Charter ISP. Liz J On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable modem? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Bill Mills-Curran

That's certainly a good question, and now it makes sense. It was NOT an intrusion. The reason I was sure this was not valid is that I was at church... Now I remember I was working from my laptop from the church network connection before services. This was just me, and the unfamiliar address was my church's modem. What's that saying... Just because they really are out to get you doesn't mean you aren't paranoid. I'm definitely paranoid. :-) Thanks for the help. Bill On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 12:16:50PM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:16:50 -0500 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion? > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Precedence: list > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host > name not an IP.* c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net.* Is this your cable > modem? > > On Dec 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Bill Mills-Curran" <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > wrote: > > I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several > entries like this on my home server: > > userxx *pts/0 * * * *c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec *2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) > > (userxx represents my username) > > I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: > > host 172.141.92.24 > 24.92.141.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com. > > Looks like something from AOL. > > I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that > IP in /etc/hosts.deny. > > I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... *but the "last" output shows > this as connecting with my username. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by E Johnson

Output of last here reports my own static internal IP address. It's a 192.__._.__ number. Output of last on friend's laptop here reports a whole bunch of stuff (bootups &etc) but no IP address at all. Third PC here has custom Debian install, and there is no output for last. Whatever package it's in is not installed, I guess. We are not wireless. Running through my router, my modem, Charter ISP. Liz J > On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host > name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable > modem? > >

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Gregory Boyce

RFC1918 which defines internal ip space doesn't include all of 172.*. Most of it is public space. On Dec 16, 2012 1:10 PM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: > 172.... default Airport wireless address range? > > > > > On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host > name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable > modem? > On Dec 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Bill Mills-Curran" <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > wrote: > >> I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several >> entries like this on my home server: >> >> userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) >> >> (userxx represents my username) >> >> I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: >> >> host 172.141.92.24 >> 24.92.141.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com. >> >> Looks like something from AOL. >> >> I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that >> IP in /etc/hosts.deny. >> >> I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... but the "last" output shows >> this as connecting with my username. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Thanks, >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > David P. Connell > "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by David P. Connell

172.... default Airport wireless address range? On 12/16/2012 12:16 PM, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a > host name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this > your cable modem? > > On Dec 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Bill Mills-Curran" <bill(a)mills-curran.net > <mailto:bill@mills-curran.net>> wrote: > > I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several > entries like this on my home server: > > userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) > > (userxx represents my username) > > I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24 <http://172.141.92.24>: > > host 172.141.92.24 > 24.92.141.172 <tel:24.92.141.172>.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer > AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com <http://AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com>. > > Looks like something from AOL. > > I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that > IP in /etc/hosts.deny. > > I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... but the "last" output shows > this as connecting with my username. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible intrusion?

by Theo Van Dinter

I'm not sure why you're looking up a 172 IP address. The output is a host name not an IP. c-24-91-141-173.hsd1.ma.comcast. net. Is this your cable modem? On Dec 16, 2012 12:09 PM, "Bill Mills-Curran" <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several > entries like this on my home server: > > userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) > > (userxx represents my username) > > I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: > > host 172.141.92.24 > 24.92.141.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com. > > Looks like something from AOL. > > I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that > IP in /etc/hosts.deny. > > I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... but the "last" output shows > this as connecting with my username. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 16, 2012

Possible intrusion?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I was looking at the output of "last" recently and found several entries like this on my home server: userxx pts/0 c-24-91-141-172. Sun Dec 2 14:57 - 15:09 (00:11) (userxx represents my username) I did a reverse lookup on 172.141.92.24: host 172.141.92.24 24.92.141.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer AC8D5C18.ipt.aol.com. Looks like something from AOL. I got a little freaked, so I changed my password and also blocked that IP in /etc/hosts.deny. I'm not an aol user, but my wife is... but the "last" output shows this as connecting with my username. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

Dec. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Steven Greenberg

I don't think it is a question of Facebook or a website. Maybe the title of my email gave that impression. We can use both. Use Facebook for what it is good for (if that is anything), and use the web site for what it is good for. Creating events and managing RSVP might be something to leave to Facebook. Although, if we used one of the CMS software systems, it could probably do that job. For instance, I use my personal Facebook site only to have links to my blog articles on my web site. I agree, that I want to own the data on my blog. All my photo albums are on my own website. On the Facebook create group page there is an option to set privacy to: Privacy: Open Anyone can see the group, who's in it, and what members post. Actually, I suppose that may already be the setting. The description does not imply that you do not need to at least login to Facebook to see the group. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Dec. 14, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Tim Keller

While its true I created the FB wlug group, I don't think we should use Facebook... I'd rather we own our data. Plus it would end up excluding too many people. A broader question we should ask is "what do we want the wlug website to be?" One thing that I think we should try to do is start recording talks and putting them up on YouTube and then link to them from the website. I'm all for the wiki, just that we'd want to think about access controls, etc. merely to keep the vandals off. I think this is easy, just force accounts. My .02 dollars. Tim. On Dec 13, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: >> Facebook is about as far away from open source as one can get. > > Actually, while you're correct that FB's product is a walled garden, the company itself is a big user of and, more importantly, contributor to OSS. I'd not seen a list, but Google showed me http://developers.facebook.com/opensource/ > -BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Brett Russ

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > Facebook is about as far away from open source as one can get. > Actually, while you're correct that FB's product is a walled garden, the company itself is a big user of and, more importantly, contributor to OSS. I'd not seen a list, but Google showed me http://developers.facebook.com/opensource/ -BR

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Clint Moyer

Facebook is about as far away from open source as one can get. On Dec 13, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >> >> Facebook required me to log in or sign up in order to access the >> page at the link provided. >> >> Using Facebook as the WLUG website would exclude me from having >> access to it. > > As I said at the Wed. meeting, Facebook must die. > > I don't think Facebook would exclude me, because I have > already excluded it. I do think the fact that nobody, except > Chuck, remembered the FB page that is already there, tells > you all you need to know about how useful it is. > > I am happy with the mailing list; I have never used > the web page, though I did look at it a couple of times > just to see that it was there, but if somebody else > wants to maintain other web pages, I have no objection. > > The web is made of pages I never look at. > > It's not a problem. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Brett Russ

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name>wrote: > If the owner of > https://www.facebook.com/groups/worcester.linux.users.group/ > > could open up access to this page so that you do not need > to log in to read it, then this would be a great step forward. > I think the issue is that WLUG's FB presence is not a page at all, but rather a group. If it was a page, then (I believe) it's public by default. -BR

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Keith Wright

> From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > > Facebook required me to log in or sign up in order to access the > page at the link provided. > > Using Facebook as the WLUG website would exclude me from having > access to it. As I said at the Wed. meeting, Facebook must die. I don't think Facebook would exclude me, because I have already excluded it. I do think the fact that nobody, except Chuck, remembered the FB page that is already there, tells you all you need to know about how useful it is. I am happy with the mailing list; I have never used the web page, though I did look at it a couple of times just to see that it was there, but if somebody else wants to maintain other web pages, I have no objection. The web is made of pages I never look at. It's not a problem. -- Keith

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Steven Greenberg

https://www.facebook.com/SturbridgeForElizabethWarren does not require a login to Facebook. Facebook presents you with a login page, but you can just dismiss the login page to read the original. This is not true of https://www.facebook.com/groups/worcester.linux.users.group/ If the owner of https://www.facebook.com/groups/worcester.linux.users.group/ could open up access to this page so that you do not need to log in to read it, then this would be a great step forward. This facebook page ought to be mentioned on the web site. http://www.wlug.org/. That way, knowledge of the facebook page would not fade into memory in the archive of these emails. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by E Johnson

Facebook required me to log in or sign up in order to access the page at the link provided. Using Facebook as the WLUG website would exclude me from having access to it. Liz J On 13 December 2012 00:15, Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: > In the meeting, I also mentioned using Facebook. This is just > about the easiest thing to set up. > > Here is an example Facebook Page that I have created. You > do not need to sign in to Facebook to read it. > > https://www.facebook.com/SturbridgeForElizabethWarren > > /Steve > -- > Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name > 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 > Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name > Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Using Facebook as a Website

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:15:27AM -0500, Steven Greenberg wrote: > In the meeting, I also mentioned using Facebook. This is just > about the easiest thing to set up. [quote trimmed for brevity] WLUG already has a Facebook group created by Tim Keller: https://www.facebook.com/groups/worcester.linux.users.group/?fref=ts

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Setting up a Wiki

by Randall Mason

I just want to make people aware of twiki's drawbacks (but there are way more positives if these don't apply): Page titles have to be ASCII. This makes it tough to include international content. I'm a Peace Corps volunteer in Bulgaria and Twiki was looking to be the solution for a good flexible database. It had support for queries, forms, there was even a SCM backend to store things in. Just no Unicode for page names. It's a little tough if you are working with people with Turkish, Bulgarian, and other ethnic names. Also, it's perl, so cheaper hosting won't always work. It also requires some strange binaries to be accessible like grep and such: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiSystemRequirements Finally, Twiki had a big falling out with their community and there was some forking that happened. Pretty much "only the original guy" is left at Twiki, and everybody else is at Foswiki: http://foswiki.org/ Foswiki seems to have had some good development past Twiki maybe because most of Twiki's efforts are into a closed source business layer on top of Twiki. The closed source module is amazing looking, if you watch the videos, but it's closed and costly... If you want other cool wiki <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki> ideas, you know Wikipedia’s mediawiki <http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki>, you may not know about semantic wiki, built on Wikipedia, but with the data actually machine readable. Very much so the next thing when it comes to wiki. Also, tiddlywiki <http://tiddlywiki.com/> is all in Javascript and you just save the html file when you're done. A very portable wiki suitable for a website and git or just a thumb drive. Also, if you harken back to the days of HyperCard, you may take a look at wagn<http://wagn.org/introduction>, a semantic wiki that the creator of wiki called "one of the freshest contributions to wiki since I coined the term". Another option would be to use what github does: https://github.com/github/gollum. Just keep your files in git and use markdown as a syntax format. This is probably the most "fad" way of wiki these days. Ruby, git, and it survives reddit finding your pages! But really, markdown is becoming the standard for text files that can be readable both in code and compiled into something prettier. Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:06 AM, Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name>wrote: > Some mention was made of setting up a Wiki web site. > > I have set up and contributed to Wikis in several companies > where I worked. Those are internal web sites, so I > cannot show examples. > > The software I used was Twiki. > > http://twiki.org/ > > /Steve > > -- > Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name > 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 > Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name > Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by John Stoffel

David> As a fall-back, I am considering going the Arduino/ZigBee David> route. You can buy ZigBee doorbells, etc. However, this David> requires a fair amount of installation/wiring that needs to be David> done to the house. That was where I was going with my thoughts too. Not that I'm trying to kill your idea, I'm just trying to think how it would work in a reliable manner, since false positives are going to quickly get people ot NOT use your app. David> I lost my hearing during my middle age and I was given a box David> full of signalers by the Commonwealth of Mass. Hooking up these David> signalers is not the easiest of tasks and I was hoping to David> bypass this via having a wearable computer do the David> recognition. (BTW - I have a Cochlear Implant that obviated the David> further need for the signalers). Ouch, not fun! My eyes are terrible, but luckily correctable back to 20/20, though I'm getting old and going to need bifocals sooner or later. Ugh. Maybe instead of having an app which does this, would it be easier to have a small dedicated piece of hardware? When you got the signalers, did you have to wire them all up and run the wires everywhere? Moving to zigbee might be he answer to that side of the problem, though getting the sensors to work reliably is the hardest part I suspect. Good luck! David> On 12/12/2012 03:21 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >> Doing DSP in your phone or other android device might become really >> difficult, really fast. In any case, I'd recommend that you get one >> of those development boards which runs Android and work with that to >> start. No need to sacrifice your phone ahead of time. >> >> Also, instead of listening for sounds, maybe you can wire up a >> dedicated device into the home which would talk directly to the haptic >> device or the glasses? >> >> My brother went to RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) and they >> have a large deaf population there, to the extent that some dorms are >> fitted out with the bright stobe lights used to wake/alert deaf people >> of fire alarms, etc. >> >> Listening for arbitrary sounds and trying to match them to a library >> of triggers sounds (sorry for the pun) like a very hard problem. Even >> apple is doing Siri by sending your speech to a remote datacenter for >> processing, since the phones don't have enough juice. Admittedly, >> that's a more difficult problem space, but it is similar and less open >> ended than your problem space. >> >> Just hooking an Arduino into my doorbell/phone/other sensors and >> having the arduino talk to the alerting system might be a simpler way >> to do it. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> David> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David> _______________________________________________ David> Wlug mailing list David> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org David> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by Randall Mason

The long and short of this is that you need to figure out what the sound looks like. Is it a simple sound that's easy to differentiate by just choosing the highest peak on an FFT? If your doorbell has a peak at 10khz and your dryer has a peak at 5khz, it should be pretty easy to do if 4.9khz < max(fft(audiodata)) < 5.1khz then dryer; if 9.9khz < max(fft(audiodata)) < 10.1khz then doorbell. Most likely it's not going to be that easy. Also there is the possibility that the dryer manufacturer and the doorbell manufacturer used the same component for the buzzer and it's going to be mathematically the same sound pattern, but differ on harmonics blocked by the room. You could need to use the whole fft of the sound, recorded at many different locations in the house and then use nearest neighbor for the convolution of the "new" sound with the old sound and then compared to a database of previous sounds. You would need a large database of example sounds to compare with. Probably at least 100 examples of each sound that would go off and then you would need to set a threshold of "closeness" so that you don't always detect new sounds as one of the old sounds. If this didn't work, then you may have to go with a hefty fingerprint like chromaprint or echoprint. Those would give you so much info about not just the frequencies, but also the rhythm of the sounds. Like maybe your dryer and your oven have the same frequency pattern because the manufacturers used the same buzzer, but they pulse them differently. That's one advantage to these full fingerprint libraries. And somebody else did the science, so you don't need to write a dissertation in DSP to be sure that you have some rigour to your approach. Chromaprint <http://acoustid.org/chromaprint> would be a good library to go with in that case. It's part of the acoustid project and has a great how it works <http://oxygene.sk/2011/01/how-does-chromaprint-work/> blog post for the acoustically curious. The problem would be that it's mainly developed for sounds as complex as music, so I don't know how it would work with a "buzz" noise. It's small enough and fast enough that it can happen quickly enough on a phone. That's how programs like shazam<http://www.shazam.com/>work. They make the fingerprint on the phone from a 10 second recording and push it to a server that processes it. Shazam has riddled the landscape with software patents, so chromaprint isn't a replacement for that, it's just close enough that it may work. Other things to look at: http://code.google.com/p/musicg/ - A java audio DSP library. Does fingerprinting and stuff. Echoprint has been ported to Android: https://github.com/gvsumasl/EchoprintForAndroid If you send me some example sounds, I can look at them in python or something and let you know what I think about different metrics that you could use to compare the sounds. Specifically a recording in a loss-less codec like flac or without compression like wav would be important because MP3 and such destroy parts of the audio waveform. 'Course I could just record my kitchen timer and let you know what it looks like... Your offer to do the programming is great, because I'm no app dev, but I do have some education and experience with signal processing. Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: > Tim, > > After your feedback and feedback received during the WLUG meeting, it > seems that > it is better to use something like an Arduino instead of a phone as the signal > processing > box. > > To that effect, I googled "arduino dsp" and got a whole lot of hits on DSP > shields for arduino > and on projects that illustrate how to write arduino sketches that > manipulate the stream. > > One possibility would be to have an Arduino with a DSP and a bluetooth > receiver. The bluetooth would communicate with a phone and/or a wearable. > The phone would tell the arduino what sounds to look for - that is, > provide signatures that should be matched. The wearable and/or the phone > would be used to give the event to the user. I think that this > configuration along with a battery could be configured to fit in a small > fanny pack. > > The arduino could also use zig-bee to communicate with a home automation > system and pass events to the phone/wearable. > > Hmmm, I think we are on to something. > > -David > > On 12/12/2012 08:33 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > I would have to imagine having your phone listen to ambient sound and > then filter looking for a whole range of specific sounds is basically > going to use all the phones processing power along with its ram... > > I have to imagine that not hearing the beep when the oven is done pre > heating must be annoying > > Not hearing the washing machine or the clothes dryer buzz would really > piss me off. > > imagine a box. On this box would be al led screen where you could > cycle through a menu and pick a input to listen to and report when > either that input starts or stops. > > In the case of a clothes dryer when the vibration sensor stops sensing > vibration, chances are good it's done. > > This box would also have plugs for things like a photo sensor you > could stick on the face of your stove right over the led for > preheating the oven. > > All of this stuff could be tied back to your phone that would vibrate > and sent an sms message. Possibly you could tie it in with a home > automation system to flash lights, etc. > > Just some ideas. > > Tim. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 13, 2012

Using Facebook as a Website

by Steven Greenberg

In the meeting, I also mentioned using Facebook. This is just about the easiest thing to set up. Here is an example Facebook Page that I have created. You do not need to sign in to Facebook to read it. https://www.facebook.com/SturbridgeForElizabethWarren /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Dec. 13, 2012

Setting up a Wiki

by Steven Greenberg

Some mention was made of setting up a Wiki web site. I have set up and contributed to Wikis in several companies where I worked. Those are internal web sites, so I cannot show examples. The software I used was Twiki. http://twiki.org/ /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Dec. 13, 2012

Examples of Websites Using Different Techniques

by Steven Greenberg

I have examples of three different techniques that I have used for creating web sites. My personal web site is mostly hand coded HTML and CSS, with some custom Javascript and PHP. The drop down menus are pure HTML and CSS. http://www.ssgreenberg.name/ The politics link on my website takes you to my politics blog that uses Wordpress. http://ssgreenberg.name/PoliticsBlog/ I have my experimental website using Drupal 6. http://www.ssgreenberg.name/Drupal/Drupal/ the last example is the Friends of The Joshua Hyde Public Library on which I have used Drupal 7 http://www.sturbridgelibraryfriends.org/ I did a much more complex web site in Drupal 6 for a Square dance club, but that site is no longer available. I'll be happy to discuss the pros and cons of each technique. /Steve P.S. I have some Javascript which I use often for doing Outlines on web sites in HTML. http://www.ssgreenberg.name/SSGSoftware/OutlinesInHTML/ I also have some Javascript which I use to display all my photo albums on the web. One example is: http://www.ssgreenberg.name/Pictures/2011/10-28-Snow/index.php The software at the bottom of these pages that keep track of and displays the info about how many reads and readers there are for each page was also written by me and uses a MySQL database to keep the data that drives the display of information. -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by David Glaser

Tim, After your feedback and feedback received during theWLUG meeting, it seems that it is better to use something like an Arduino instead of a phone as the signal processing box. To that effect, I googled "arduino dsp" and got a whole lot of hits on DSP shields for arduino and on projects that illustrate how to write arduino sketches that manipulate the stream. One possibility would be to have an Arduino with a DSP and a bluetooth receiver. The bluetooth would communicate with a phone and/or a wearable. The phone would tell the arduino what sounds to look for - that is, provide signatures that should be matched. The wearableand/or the phone would be used to give the event to the user. I think that this configuration along with a battery could be configured to fit in a small fanny pack. The arduino could also use zig-bee to communicate with a home automation system and pass events to the phone/wearable. Hmmm, I think we are on to something. -David On 12/12/2012 08:33 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > I would have to imagine having your phone listen to ambient sound and > then filter looking for a whole range of specific sounds is basically > going to use all the phones processing power along with its ram... > > I have to imagine that not hearing the beep when the oven is done pre > heating must be annoying > > Not hearing the washing machine or the clothes dryer buzz would really > piss me off. > > imagine a box. On this box would be al led screen where you could > cycle through a menu and pick a input to listen to and report when > either that input starts or stops. > > In the case of a clothes dryer when the vibration sensor stops sensing > vibration, chances are good it's done. > > This box would also have plugs for things like a photo sensor you > could stick on the face of your stove right over the led for > preheating the oven. > > All of this stuff could be tied back to your phone that would vibrate > and sent an sms message. Possibly you could tie it in with a home > automation system to flash lights, etc. > > Just some ideas. > > Tim. > > >

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by Tim Keller

I would have to imagine having your phone listen to ambient sound and then filter looking for a whole range of specific sounds is basically going to use all the phones processing power along with its ram... I have to imagine that not hearing the beep when the oven is done pre heating must be annoying Not hearing the washing machine or the clothes dryer buzz would really piss me off. imagine a box. On this box would be al led screen where you could cycle through a menu and pick a input to listen to and report when either that input starts or stops. In the case of a clothes dryer when the vibration sensor stops sensing vibration, chances are good it's done. This box would also have plugs for things like a photo sensor you could stick on the face of your stove right over the led for preheating the oven. All of this stuff could be tied back to your phone that would vibrate and sent an sms message. Possibly you could tie it in with a home automation system to flash lights, etc. Just some ideas. Tim. On 12/12/12, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > John, > > As a fall-back, I am considering going the Arduino/ZigBee route. You can > buy ZigBee doorbells, etc. However, this requires a fair amount of > installation/wiring that needs to be done to the house. > > I lost my hearing during my middle ageand I was given a box full of > signalers by the Commonwealth of Mass. Hooking up these signalers is not > the easiest of tasks and I was hoping to bypass this via having a > wearable computer do the recognition. (BTW - I have a Cochlear Implant > that obviated the further need for the signalers). > > -David > > On 12/12/2012 03:21 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >> Doing DSP in your phone or other android device might become really >> difficult, really fast. In any case, I'd recommend that you get one >> of those development boards which runs Android and work with that to >> start. No need to sacrifice your phone ahead of time. >> >> Also, instead of listening for sounds, maybe you can wire up a >> dedicated device into the home which would talk directly to the haptic >> device or the glasses? >> >> My brother went to RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) and they >> have a large deaf population there, to the extent that some dorms are >> fitted out with the bright stobe lights used to wake/alert deaf people >> of fire alarms, etc. >> >> Listening for arbitrary sounds and trying to match them to a library >> of triggers sounds (sorry for the pun) like a very hard problem. Even >> apple is doing Siri by sending your speech to a remote datacenter for >> processing, since the phones don't have enough juice. Admittedly, >> that's a more difficult problem space, but it is similar and less open >> ended than your problem space. >> >> Just hooking an Arduino into my doorbell/phone/other sensors and >> having the arduino talk to the alerting system might be a simpler way >> to do it. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

by joel d

Thanks. Will be over soon. Thank you, Joel On Dec 12, 2012 7:57 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > At tech now. > > joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Came late. >> >> Did I miss it? >> >> Tech pizza? >> >> Other location? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> On Dec 12, 2012 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >>> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Need some help with digital signal processing ... (David Glaser) >>> 2. Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center >>> Mid-Century Room 331 (Chuck Anderson) >>> 3. Re: Need some help with digital signal processing ... (Jeff Moyer) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0500 >>> From: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> >>> Subject: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Message-ID: <50C86B82.5030301(a)glaserresearch.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. >>> Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device >>> (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for >>> sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household >>> soundthat should be reported to the wearer. >>> >>> Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I >>> don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound >>> signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event occurs, >>> then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic transducer >>> on the wrist watch can be activated. >>> >>> This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer help >>> on the algorithms. I will do the programming. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David Glaser >>> dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/8dede17f/attachmen… >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:47:11 -0500 >>> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> >>> Subject: [Wlug] Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center >>> Mid-Century Room 331 >>> To: wlug(a)wlug.org >>> Message-ID: <20121212124710.GZ29170(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> We are having a WLUG meeting this evening, December 12, at 7:00 PM in >>> the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331. >>> >>> http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm >>> >>> This seems like a good time to talk about the WLUG website. We've had >>> half-completed plans since about 2 years ago to replace the hardware >>> and software to create a Wiki or Drupal site to replace the outdated >>> and manually-maintained-by-me HTML site. This week I plan to finally >>> migrate things over to the new server, but the content will still be >>> the old HTML site for now. We need some volunteers to help build a >>> new site in either MediaWiki or Drupal or some other framework. >>> >>> After the meeting, we'll continue discussions over at Tech Pizza. >>> >>> Hope to see you there, >>> Chuck >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: not available >>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>> Size: 190 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> Url : >>> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/d872da62/attachmen… >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:33:35 -0500 >>> From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... >>> To: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>, Worcester Linux Users >>> Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Message-ID: <x49zk1jl4qo.fsf(a)segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: >>> >>> > Hi Folks, >>> > >>> > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. >>> > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device >>> > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for >>> > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household >>> > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. >>> > >>> > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I >>> > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound >>> > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event >>> > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic >>> > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. >>> > >>> > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer >>> > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. >>> >>> We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve >>> you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try >>> http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5 >>> ************************************ >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

by Frank Sweetser

At tech now. joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Came late. > >Did I miss it? > >Tech pizza? > >Other location? > >Thank you, > >Joel > On Dec 12, 2012 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Need some help with digital signal processing ... (David >Glaser) >> 2. Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center >> Mid-Century Room 331 (Chuck Anderson) >> 3. Re: Need some help with digital signal processing ... (Jeff >Moyer) >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0500 >> From: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> >> Subject: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <50C86B82.5030301(a)glaserresearch.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. >> Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device >> (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for >> sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household >> soundthat should be reported to the wearer. >> >> Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What >I >> don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound >> signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event >occurs, >> then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic >transducer >> on the wrist watch can be activated. >> >> This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer >help >> on the algorithms. I will do the programming. >> >> Regards >> >> David Glaser >> dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/8dede17f/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:47:11 -0500 >> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> >> Subject: [Wlug] Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus >Center >> Mid-Century Room 331 >> To: wlug(a)wlug.org >> Message-ID: <20121212124710.GZ29170(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> We are having a WLUG meeting this evening, December 12, at 7:00 PM in >> the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331. >> >> http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm >> >> This seems like a good time to talk about the WLUG website. We've >had >> half-completed plans since about 2 years ago to replace the hardware >> and software to create a Wiki or Drupal site to replace the outdated >> and manually-maintained-by-me HTML site. This week I plan to finally >> migrate things over to the new server, but the content will still be >> the old HTML site for now. We need some volunteers to help build a >> new site in either MediaWiki or Drupal or some other framework. >> >> After the meeting, we'll continue discussions over at Tech Pizza. >> >> Hope to see you there, >> Chuck >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 190 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> >http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/d872da62/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:33:35 -0500 >> From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... >> To: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>, Worcester Linux Users >> Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <x49zk1jl4qo.fsf(a)segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: >> >> > Hi Folks, >> > >> > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. >> > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device >> > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for >> > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household >> > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. >> > >> > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. >What I >> > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound >> > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event >> > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the >haptic >> > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. >> > >> > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer >> > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. >> >> We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve >> you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try >> http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. >> >> Good luck! >> Jeff >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5 >> ************************************ >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5

by joel d

Came late. Did I miss it? Tech pizza? Other location? Thank you, Joel On Dec 12, 2012 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Need some help with digital signal processing ... (David Glaser) > 2. Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center > Mid-Century Room 331 (Chuck Anderson) > 3. Re: Need some help with digital signal processing ... (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:33:22 -0500 > From: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <50C86B82.5030301(a)glaserresearch.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Folks, > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event occurs, > then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic transducer > on the wrist watch can be activated. > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer help > on the algorithms. I will do the programming. > > Regards > > David Glaser > dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/8dede17f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:47:11 -0500 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: [Wlug] Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center > Mid-Century Room 331 > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Message-ID: <20121212124710.GZ29170(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are having a WLUG meeting this evening, December 12, at 7:00 PM in > the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331. > > http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm > > This seems like a good time to talk about the WLUG website. We've had > half-completed plans since about 2 years ago to replace the hardware > and software to create a Wiki or Drupal site to replace the outdated > and manually-maintained-by-me HTML site. This week I plan to finally > migrate things over to the new server, but the content will still be > the old HTML site for now. We need some volunteers to help build a > new site in either MediaWiki or Drupal or some other framework. > > After the meeting, we'll continue discussions over at Tech Pizza. > > Hope to see you there, > Chuck > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 190 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20121212/d872da62/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:33:35 -0500 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... > To: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>, Worcester Linux Users > Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <x49zk1jl4qo.fsf(a)segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event > > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic > > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. > > > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer > > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. > > We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve > you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try > http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. > > Good luck! > Jeff > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 110, Issue 5 > ************************************ >

Dec. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by David Glaser

John, As a fall-back, I am considering going the Arduino/ZigBee route. You can buy ZigBee doorbells, etc. However, this requires a fair amount of installation/wiring that needs to be done to the house. I lost my hearing during my middle ageand I was given a box full of signalers by the Commonwealth of Mass. Hooking up these signalers is not the easiest of tasks and I was hoping to bypass this via having a wearable computer do the recognition. (BTW - I have a Cochlear Implant that obviated the further need for the signalers). -David On 12/12/2012 03:21 PM, John Stoffel wrote: > Doing DSP in your phone or other android device might become really > difficult, really fast. In any case, I'd recommend that you get one > of those development boards which runs Android and work with that to > start. No need to sacrifice your phone ahead of time. > > Also, instead of listening for sounds, maybe you can wire up a > dedicated device into the home which would talk directly to the haptic > device or the glasses? > > My brother went to RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) and they > have a large deaf population there, to the extent that some dorms are > fitted out with the bright stobe lights used to wake/alert deaf people > of fire alarms, etc. > > Listening for arbitrary sounds and trying to match them to a library > of triggers sounds (sorry for the pun) like a very hard problem. Even > apple is doing Siri by sending your speech to a remote datacenter for > processing, since the phones don't have enough juice. Admittedly, > that's a more difficult problem space, but it is similar and less open > ended than your problem space. > > Just hooking an Arduino into my doorbell/phone/other sensors and > having the arduino talk to the alerting system might be a simpler way > to do it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by John Stoffel

Doing DSP in your phone or other android device might become really difficult, really fast. In any case, I'd recommend that you get one of those development boards which runs Android and work with that to start. No need to sacrifice your phone ahead of time. Also, instead of listening for sounds, maybe you can wire up a dedicated device into the home which would talk directly to the haptic device or the glasses? My brother went to RIT (Rochester Institute of Technology) and they have a large deaf population there, to the extent that some dorms are fitted out with the bright stobe lights used to wake/alert deaf people of fire alarms, etc. Listening for arbitrary sounds and trying to match them to a library of triggers sounds (sorry for the pun) like a very hard problem. Even apple is doing Siri by sending your speech to a remote datacenter for processing, since the phones don't have enough juice. Admittedly, that's a more difficult problem space, but it is similar and less open ended than your problem space. Just hooking an Arduino into my doorbell/phone/other sensors and having the arduino talk to the alerting system might be a simpler way to do it. John

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by dglaser＠glaserresearch.net

Jeff, I will look at reddit forums. However, I am hoping for someone local for beer and pizza based information interchange. Face to face bandwidth is really fast. -David =================== From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> Date: Wed Dec 12 08:33:35 CST 2012 To: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>, Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ... David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: > Hi Folks, > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. Good luck! Jeff

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by Jeff Moyer

David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> writes: > Hi Folks, > > I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. > Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device > (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for > sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household > soundthat should be reported to the wearer. > > Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I > don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound > signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event > occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic > transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. > > This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer > help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. We've got some smart folks on this list, no doubt, but it might serve you better to ask this question in a more focused forum. Try http://www.reddit.com/r/DSP/ for starters. Good luck! Jeff

Dec. 12, 2012

Announce: Meeting December 12th 7PM, WPI Campus Center Mid-Century Room 331

by Chuck Anderson

We are having a WLUG meeting this evening, December 12, at 7:00 PM in the WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331. http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm This seems like a good time to talk about the WLUG website. We've had half-completed plans since about 2 years ago to replace the hardware and software to create a Wiki or Drupal site to replace the outdated and manually-maintained-by-me HTML site. This week I plan to finally migrate things over to the new server, but the content will still be the old HTML site for now. We need some volunteers to help build a new site in either MediaWiki or Drupal or some other framework. After the meeting, we'll continue discussions over at Tech Pizza. Hope to see you there, Chuck

Dec. 12, 2012

Need some help with digital signal processing ...

by David Glaser

Hi Folks, I need some help with an Android app for the hearing impaired. Essentially, the app is to be used with a wearable android device (Google Glasses or theSony android wrist watch) and will listen for sounds such as the door bell or the tty, or any other household soundthat should be reported to the wearer. Capturing the sound using an Android device is not the problem. What I don't know is how to compare the incoming sound stream with sound signatures that should cause the event to occur. Once the event occurs, then text can be displayed on the googleglasses or the haptic transducer on the wrist watch can be activated. This app is intended to be open sourceso I'm looking for volunteer help on the algorithms. I will do the programming. Regards David Glaser dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Wednesday pm?

by Henrique

Hey! We have the room reserved, Mid-century room in the Campus center<http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm>, Dec 12, at 7PM. Sadly, we do not have a speaker yet. Cheers, Henrique. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:03 PM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi WLUG... > > Is there a meeting on Wednesday.? > > Thank you, > > Joel > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 11, 2012

Meeting Wednesday pm?

by joel d

Hi WLUG... Is there a meeting on Wednesday.? Thank you, Joel

Dec. 11, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I looked into the stylesheets in Gates of Madness available from: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Feature.aspx?x=dnd/feature/abyssalplague I find: .calibre { Either they used calibre to do the conversion or someone made it look like it. Maybe I shouldn't have discounted the idea.

Dec. 5, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Randall Mason

If you are just doing text already, you should really check out pandoc. It converts different "text only" formats to different other formats. Markdown is the new famous "readable as plain text, parseable to fancy text" on the block, but pandoc supports a few other very famous ones. If you just do a bit of ascii beautification, you can end up with something that you can read and edit it just by itself. No reveal codes, no show source, no XML. Just simple text. Check out the example on pandoc's website: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/epub.html It even has a link to the progit github repo where you can see how well it worked under version control. You can see how a chapter looks and look at the build process that they use to make it. Here's chapter one in the raw markdown: https://raw.github.com/progit/progit/master/en/01-introduction/01-chapter1.… very readable. With github's built in markdown to html converter, it ends up like this: https://github.com/progit/progit/blob/master/en/01-introduction/01-chapter1… Once you have it in markdown or reStructured Text, you just convert to epub. From there you use KindleGen and you have .mobi which works everywhere that epub doesn't. The other option is to write your own rules for the calibre text to any-ebook-format-ever converter. You end up with not having to change your format at all, and calibre is made for ebooks. It doesn't try to do anything else. A true one trick pony - the Unix way. Also, everybody knows that epub is just a zipped up set of html files with like 3 xml files, right? Change any .epub to .zip and you've got a little archive that you can poke around in. Yoink pictures, fix typos, diff between versions... Open formats FTW! Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Adam Keck <ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you create a particularly formatted *.doc file in Open Office, Amazon > will convert it to Kindle with their online tools. > > The tricky part is getting the table of contents and footnotes correct and > "clickable". My wife did manage to get it to work. She used Neo Office on > Mac. > > https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A328FYMFAE7VNY#word > > https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A17W8UM0MMSQX6 > > Knowing what I know now, if I were to do a book, I would definitely do the > work of writing in a simply structured ASCII file in source control. I > would have the title, author line, chapter headings, and section headings > on separate space-separated lines and the content in discrete paragraphs > without hard line breaks. Then, for the e-book, I would drop it into Open > Office to do the formatted doc file for Kindle, or the formatted RTF file > to feed Calibre for e-pub. For the print version, I would paste it into > Lyx, set the page size, go through it to change the style types for the > author, chapter heading, etc, and then render it to PDF. > > If I had more programming and format conversion knowledge though, I think > that the best method would probably be to write the book in XML, e.g. > DocBook, and then use code to generate the above doc, RTF, and Lyx/LaTeX > files. > > > -Adam > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > >> >> Quick question... What format is your novel currently in? >> >> One big text file. One blank line separates scenes. Two blank lines denote >> the beginning of a new chapter. However the telepathic communications from >> the potted plant are designated with '/'. My plan is use italic for them. >> >> > What ever happened to Ascii? Ascii is the AMERICAN >> > Standard Code for Information Interchange. >> Internationalization came. As someone who wrote the multilingual support >> at work, ASCII is not good enough anymore. UTF8 or it relatives (UTF16, >> etc.) are the only acceptable standards. >> >> I keep calling for them to abolish the languages with weird character sets >> but they don't listen to me. :) >> >> Yes the text file is Ascii at the moment since it is UTF8 and doesn't have >> any multibyte characters. As mentioned earlier the telepathic >> communications need to switched to italic. >> >> Could HTML be used for my needs? Certainly. The problem is what would the >> user experience be. Could someone put it on their tablet/ereader and >> easily resume where they left off, take notes, etc. That is why I want to >> convert it to an ebook format. If I'm going to put it on amazon, >> drivethrufiction or some other site it needs to converted at some point. >> >> I like calibre and keep a large collection of rpg books in it. I'm not >> convinced that handing it a libreoffice file (or other format) to convert >> is the best solution. I downloaded writer2epub extension to libreoffice. >> I've also looked at sigil user guide but haven't installed it yet. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 4, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Adam Keck

If you create a particularly formatted *.doc file in Open Office, Amazon will convert it to Kindle with their online tools. The tricky part is getting the table of contents and footnotes correct and "clickable". My wife did manage to get it to work. She used Neo Office on Mac. https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A328FYMFAE7VNY#word https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A17W8UM0MMSQX6 Knowing what I know now, if I were to do a book, I would definitely do the work of writing in a simply structured ASCII file in source control. I would have the title, author line, chapter headings, and section headings on separate space-separated lines and the content in discrete paragraphs without hard line breaks. Then, for the e-book, I would drop it into Open Office to do the formatted doc file for Kindle, or the formatted RTF file to feed Calibre for e-pub. For the print version, I would paste it into Lyx, set the page size, go through it to change the style types for the author, chapter heading, etc, and then render it to PDF. If I had more programming and format conversion knowledge though, I think that the best method would probably be to write the book in XML, e.g. DocBook, and then use code to generate the above doc, RTF, and Lyx/LaTeX files. -Adam On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:11 PM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > >> Quick question... What format is your novel currently in? > > One big text file. One blank line separates scenes. Two blank lines denote > the beginning of a new chapter. However the telepathic communications from > the potted plant are designated with '/'. My plan is use italic for them. > > > What ever happened to Ascii? Ascii is the AMERICAN > > Standard Code for Information Interchange. > Internationalization came. As someone who wrote the multilingual support > at work, ASCII is not good enough anymore. UTF8 or it relatives (UTF16, > etc.) are the only acceptable standards. > > I keep calling for them to abolish the languages with weird character sets > but they don't listen to me. :) > > Yes the text file is Ascii at the moment since it is UTF8 and doesn't have > any multibyte characters. As mentioned earlier the telepathic > communications need to switched to italic. > > Could HTML be used for my needs? Certainly. The problem is what would the > user experience be. Could someone put it on their tablet/ereader and > easily resume where they left off, take notes, etc. That is why I want to > convert it to an ebook format. If I'm going to put it on amazon, > drivethrufiction or some other site it needs to converted at some point. > > I like calibre and keep a large collection of rpg books in it. I'm not > convinced that handing it a libreoffice file (or other format) to convert > is the best solution. I downloaded writer2epub extension to libreoffice. > I've also looked at sigil user guide but haven't installed it yet. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 4, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

>> Quick question... What format is your novel currently in? One big text file. One blank line separates scenes. Two blank lines denote the beginning of a new chapter. However the telepathic communications from the potted plant are designated with '/'. My plan is use italic for them. > What ever happened to Ascii? Ascii is the AMERICAN > Standard Code for Information Interchange. Internationalization came. As someone who wrote the multilingual support at work, ASCII is not good enough anymore. UTF8 or it relatives (UTF16, etc.) are the only acceptable standards. I keep calling for them to abolish the languages with weird character sets but they don't listen to me. :) Yes the text file is Ascii at the moment since it is UTF8 and doesn't have any multibyte characters. As mentioned earlier the telepathic communications need to switched to italic. Could HTML be used for my needs? Certainly. The problem is what would the user experience be. Could someone put it on their tablet/ereader and easily resume where they left off, take notes, etc. That is why I want to convert it to an ebook format. If I'm going to put it on amazon, drivethrufiction or some other site it needs to converted at some point. I like calibre and keep a large collection of rpg books in it. I'm not convinced that handing it a libreoffice file (or other format) to convert is the best solution. I downloaded writer2epub extension to libreoffice. I've also looked at sigil user guide but haven't installed it yet.

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Keith Wright

> From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > > Quick question... What format is your novel currently in? > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:15 PM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > > > Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub > > and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do > > NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and > > succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that > > I'd like to convert it to ebook format. What ever happened to Ascii? Ascii is the AMERICAN Standard Code for Information Interchange. True patriots will accept no substitutes. If you need a lot of pictures you would need a way to embeded them. If you need the occasional bold or italic, a tiny subset of HTML suffices, and remains readable even as Ascii. Are E-books being sold that can't display Ascii? I don't have an E-book, and it's going to stay that if they don't display Ascii, at least. If you are speed writing, I would think you would stay away from "formats" and just send the octets from the keyboard to the disk and out. -- Keith PS: Not a total curmugeon, I will take Unicode.

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Tim Keller

Quick question... What format is your novel currently in? On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:15 PM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub > and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do > NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and > succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that > I'd like to convert it to ebook format. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Eric Martin

I'm a new user of calibre and I too like it. On Dec 3, 2012 1:06 AM, "Randall Mason" <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Calibre will convert to many different formats, so it depends on what > format you have it in. See: > http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#conversion > > Whatever format you have it in, you may be able to use [pandoc]( > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/) Any of these formats: > markdown <http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/>, reStructuredText<http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html>, > textile <http://redcloth.org/textile>, HTML <http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/>, > DocBook <http://www.docbook.org/>, or LaTeX<http://www.latex-project.org/>can be the source format. > > > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub >> and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do >> NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and >> succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that >> I'd like to convert it to ebook format. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 3, 2012

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Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Steve Pelland

I also use Calibre. Works well, not always perfect, but pretty darn good. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I second calibre... I have through my travels on the internet > collected a large number of free ebooks in a number of different > formats... I use calibre so I can read them on my kindle. It supports > pretty much anything to anything converting... Not always perfectly, > but free is free... > > On 12/3/12, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Calibre will convert to many different formats, so it depends on what > > format you have it in. See: > > http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#conversion > > > > Whatever format you have it in, you may be able to use [pandoc]( > > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/) Any of these formats: > > markdown <http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/>, > > reStructuredText< > http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html>, > > textile <http://redcloth.org/textile>, HTML < > http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/>, > > DocBook <http://www.docbook.org/>, or LaTeX > > <http://www.latex-project.org/>can be the source format. > > > > > > > > Randall Mason > > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > > > >> Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub > >> and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do > >> NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and > >> succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that > >> I'd like to convert it to ebook format. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Gentlemen, *we can* rebuild him. *We have the technology*.

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Tim Keller

I second calibre... I have through my travels on the internet collected a large number of free ebooks in a number of different formats... I use calibre so I can read them on my kindle. It supports pretty much anything to anything converting... Not always perfectly, but free is free... On 12/3/12, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Calibre will convert to many different formats, so it depends on what > format you have it in. See: > http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#conversion > > Whatever format you have it in, you may be able to use [pandoc]( > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/) Any of these formats: > markdown <http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/>, > reStructuredText<http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html>, > textile <http://redcloth.org/textile>, HTML <http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/>, > DocBook <http://www.docbook.org/>, or LaTeX > <http://www.latex-project.org/>can be the source format. > > > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com > > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub >> and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do >> NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and >> succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that >> I'd like to convert it to ebook format. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Ebook Creation

by Randall Mason

Calibre will convert to many different formats, so it depends on what format you have it in. See: http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/conversion.html#conversion Whatever format you have it in, you may be able to use [pandoc]( http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/) Any of these formats: markdown <http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/>, reStructuredText<http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html>, textile <http://redcloth.org/textile>, HTML <http://www.w3.org/TR/html40/>, DocBook <http://www.docbook.org/>, or LaTeX <http://www.latex-project.org/>can be the source format. Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:15 AM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub > and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do > NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and > succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that > I'd like to convert it to ebook format. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 3, 2012

Ebook Creation

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Has anyone made an ebook under linux? Specifically I'm taking about epub and mobi formats for supporting ereaders. I stupidly decided to do NaNoWriMo (National Novel Writing Month - 50,000 words in 30 days) and succeeded. I still have to clean up the novel but assuming I finish that I'd like to convert it to ebook format.

Dec. 3, 2012

Re: [Wlug] LCD - to fix or not to fix?

by David P. Connell

Likewise, have done several where power caps were the issue. DaveC On 11/22/2012 10:21 AM, joel d wrote: > Hi WLUG, > > My conundrum is whether to work on soldering most likely capacitors into an old > 18 inch LCD later this week in a haze of starch and tryptophan. > > Is it worth it to re-hab it for use as a basement/workshop PC? > > Happy Thanksgiving, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Nov. 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] LCD - to fix or not to fix?

by Steve Pelland

If its just fat caps, heck yeah fix it. what 3.00 in caps and 30 mins work time... = workshop monitor... On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:21 AM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi WLUG, > > My conundrum is whether to work on soldering most likely capacitors into > an old > 18 inch LCD later this week in a haze of starch and tryptophan. > > Is it worth it to re-hab it for use as a basement/workshop PC? > > Happy Thanksgiving, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Gentlemen, *we can* rebuild him. *We have the technology*.

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Wlug] LCD - to fix or not to fix?

by Mark Richards

On 11/22/2012 10:21, joel d wrote: > Hi WLUG, > > My conundrum is whether to work on soldering most likely capacitors into an old > 18 inch LCD later this week in a haze of starch and tryptophan. > > Is it worth it to re-hab it for use as a basement/workshop PC? Yes, I think it is, particularly if the issue is the PSU. My ViewSonic 32" died a slow death last year. My eyes could not do without it but the replacement budget was far too steep. A complete PSU electrolytic capacitor replacement did the trick, with no need to relegate this one to a junk pile. All for < $10 USD. /m

Nov. 22, 2012

LCD - to fix or not to fix?

by joel d

Hi WLUG, My conundrum is whether to work on soldering most likely capacitors into an old 18 inch LCD later this week in a haze of starch and tryptophan. Is it worth it to re-hab it for use as a basement/workshop PC? Happy Thanksgiving, Joel

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Wlug] November 14th?

by The Hammer

Henrique, I thought I was getting to the meeting on November 14th, but "life" caught up with me. How was it? Ron On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hey! > > I just talked to Chuck, and he is a bit busy. I got WLUG the same room as > last time Higgins Labs, Room 230, (HL230<https://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.274129,-71.808384&num=1&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&l…>), > if you have any problem locating or getting into the building, just send me > a message at (631) 316-8142. I also already got a better room for next > month. > > Do we have a topic? > > Cheers, > Henrique "nican" Polido. > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:25 AM, The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I see of the website that our next meeting should be tomorrow (the 14th), >> but the location is to be announced. Wondering, do we have the location >> yet? >> >> Ron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 18, 2012

Announce: Meeting November 14th 7PM, WPI Higgins Labs 230

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry I'm going to be missing the meeting this month, and thanks to Henrique for taking care of the room. -Chuck On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:14:34PM -0500, Henrique wrote: > Hey! > > I just talked to Chuck, and he is a bit busy. I got WLUG the same room as > last time Higgins Labs, Room 230, > (HL230<https://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.274129,-71.808384&num=1&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&l…>), > if you have any problem locating or getting into the building, just send me > a message at (631) 316-8142. I also already got a better room for next > month. > > Do we have a topic? > > Cheers, > Henrique "nican" Polido.

Nov. 14, 2012

Re: [Wlug] November 14th?

by Henrique

Hey! I just talked to Chuck, and he is a bit busy. I got WLUG the same room as last time Higgins Labs, Room 230, (HL230<https://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.274129,-71.808384&num=1&vpsrc=0&ie=UTF8&l…>), if you have any problem locating or getting into the building, just send me a message at (631) 316-8142. I also already got a better room for next month. Do we have a topic? Cheers, Henrique "nican" Polido. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 8:25 AM, The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I see of the website that our next meeting should be tomorrow (the 14th), > but the location is to be announced. Wondering, do we have the location > yet? > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 13, 2012

November 14th?

by The Hammer

Hello, I see of the website that our next meeting should be tomorrow (the 14th), but the location is to be announced. Wondering, do we have the location yet? Ron

Nov. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Randall Mason

Yeah, there's nothing to fear except fear itself... AND SPIDERS! On Nov 7, 2012 9:31 AM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The caps must have been dying of dead spider overload. > Liz J > > On 6 November 2012 20:34, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >> >> Just wanted to follow up with the group on the final resolution of this >> issue (I hope!). As I wrote earlier the new power supply didn't help. >> >> I ended up buying a new motherboard, got it today, installed it tonight >> with the old power supply and all came right up w/o issues. >> >> Interesting findings: when I took the CPU cooler off there was a big dead >> spider curled up amongst the power inductors surrounding the CPU. Also, >> there were a couple caps that were slightly "crowning", i.e. bulging a bit >> on top, when compared with some other identical ones on the board with the >> same capacity. So I figure either of these could be contributors, more >> likely the caps. >> >> Now I have a nearly brand new Antec 450W power supply back in the box, >> for sale if anyone's interested. >> >> Thanks all for the help, >> Brett >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 7, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by E Johnson

The caps must have been dying of dead spider overload. Liz J On 6 November 2012 20:34, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > Just wanted to follow up with the group on the final resolution of this > issue (I hope!). As I wrote earlier the new power supply didn't help. > > I ended up buying a new motherboard, got it today, installed it tonight > with the old power supply and all came right up w/o issues. > > Interesting findings: when I took the CPU cooler off there was a big dead > spider curled up amongst the power inductors surrounding the CPU. Also, > there were a couple caps that were slightly "crowning", i.e. bulging a bit > on top, when compared with some other identical ones on the board with the > same capacity. So I figure either of these could be contributors, more > likely the caps. > > Now I have a nearly brand new Antec 450W power supply back in the box, for > sale if anyone's interested. > > Thanks all for the help, > Brett > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 7, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Walt <waltsaw(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Take a close look at the capacitors on the motherboard. If they are > bulging you can either replace them or the whole board. > Walt > > On 10/11/2012 10:30 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > >> "Brett" == Brett Russ<bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> Brett> Yes, I've done that several times. In fact, since my BIOS is >> Brett> having issues preserving settings and shows the CMOS checksum >> Brett> failure quite often, I usually have to revert to defaults just >> Brett> to boot. This, despite a brand new CMOS battery. This is the >> Brett> other symptom in my original email that I can't yet explain. >> Brett> But, if it ends up being a motherboard HW issue, then anything >> Brett> could go wrong including corrupted CMOS. >> >> This points more to a low level hardware issue in the motherboard, or >> possibly the CPU. Hard to know. If it's old enough, it might be time >> to just replace it. >> > Just wanted to follow up with the group on the final resolution of this issue (I hope!). As I wrote earlier the new power supply didn't help. I ended up buying a new motherboard, got it today, installed it tonight with the old power supply and all came right up w/o issues. Interesting findings: when I took the CPU cooler off there was a big dead spider curled up amongst the power inductors surrounding the CPU. Also, there were a couple caps that were slightly "crowning", i.e. bulging a bit on top, when compared with some other identical ones on the board with the same capacity. So I figure either of these could be contributors, more likely the caps. Now I have a nearly brand new Antec 450W power supply back in the box, for sale if anyone's interested. Thanks all for the help, Brett

Nov. 7, 2012

Next meeting on the 14th?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Firstly, I presume that the next meeting is going to be on the 14th? Secondly, do we have a topic? Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 1, 2012

Free hardware: Internal IDE CD drives

by joel d

Could anyone use some internal CD drives? Just found a box full of them. They are "bare" IDE CD readers with no cables, drivers or manuals. Will gladly bring as many as people want to the next meeting. Don't be shy, I probably have 30 of them, and all are guaranteed to be worth every penny of free! Please kindly reply to me via e-mail directly if interested (to not clog up the WLUG e-mail). Thank you, Joel joelgroup(a)gmail.com

Oct. 26, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:59:26PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > I'm trying to get a better handle on what's happening on my network at > work. I'm currently using Nagios to monitor the big things (Server health, > switch health, etc), but I'd like more granular statistics (how much data > is coming and going, are any links saturated, etc). A quick glance shows > that MRTG, Cricket, and RRD are good things to start playing with. I'm > staring to play around with MRTG, but I'm hearing rumors of scalability > issues and I don't want to get deep into MRTG if I should be putting > resources elsewhere. > > A quick sketch of the network is a few internet connections, our router, > and a few switches for networking along with a few switches for VoIP as > well as our PBX. I don't want to monitor every port all the time, I > instead want to monitor the uplinks of the switches to have a good idea, > and look at the switch if something looks awry. > > My question to the group is, what do you use / recommend, and do you have > anything that sticks out in your head about any of these packages (good or > bad)? Statseeker is good if you want to monitor every interface @ 1 minute intervals without any rollup of the data over time that RRD does. But it is commercial. It is a FreeBSD appliance install (they basically provide an ISO, you provide the server).

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by David Coutu

Have not checked out Graphite yet, thanks for the heads up. Looks like it uses time series data, which is interesting. I've poked around OpenTSDB before and found the potential for usefuleness. Just haven't had the time to really dig in with it at all. Will definitely check out Graphite, as I agree that Cacti requires some manual interaction to get new hosts added and components monitored. It's one of it's major drawbacks as it definitely doesn't lend itself to auto-magical configuration when adding new hosts like Nagios/Icinga can. It can be done if you are determined, but it's not out of the box. Thanks Tim! Dave > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:19:30 -0400 > From: turbofx(a)gmail.com > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network > > Cacti is cool once you get ot configured. We've been playong with > graphite and we've ditched our cacti graphs in favor of it. > > Creating a new graph consists of openong a tcp port ane passing ina > tuple... Tada... New graph. > > Then you can go to the web interface and tinker with the graph parameters. > > Just my .02. > > Tim. o/wlug

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by Tim Keller

Cacti is cool once you get ot configured. We've been playong with graphite and we've ditched our cacti graphs in favor of it. Creating a new graph consists of openong a tcp port ane passing ina tuple... Tada... New graph. Then you can go to the web interface and tinker with the graph parameters. Just my .02. Tim. On 10/24/12, David Coutu <cout(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > I'd take Cacti over MRTG, more flexible and scale-able IMO. Mike also > mentioned OpenNMS which is pretty decent too. You could get into more > involved setups with Zabbix, ZenOSS, Hyperic but the ROI on those could turn > out to be minimal. I've used MRTG, Cricket and Cacti in Production and at > home and prefer Cacti above them all, as it has involved the least head > banging over the years. I've tried the various others but they fulfill a > bigger role (combined network, system, and application monitoring) and are > probably overkill for what you are trying to accomplish. > Dave > > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:59:26 -0400 > From: eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network > > I'm trying to get a better handle on what's happening on my network at work. > I'm currently using Nagios to monitor the big things (Server health, switch > health, etc), but I'd like more granular statistics (how much data is coming > and going, are any links saturated, etc). A quick glance shows that MRTG, > Cricket, and RRD are good things to start playing with. I'm staring to play > around with MRTG, but I'm hearing rumors of scalability issues and I don't > want to get deep into MRTG if I should be putting resources elsewhere. > > A quick sketch of the network is a few internet connections, our router, and > a few switches for networking along with a few switches for VoIP as well as > our PBX. I don't want to monitor every port all the time, I instead want to > monitor the uplinks of the switches to have a good idea, and look at the > switch if something looks awry. > > My question to the group is, what do you use / recommend, and do you have > anything that sticks out in your head about any of these packages (good or > bad)? > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by David Coutu

I'd take Cacti over MRTG, more flexible and scale-able IMO. Mike also mentioned OpenNMS which is pretty decent too. You could get into more involved setups with Zabbix, ZenOSS, Hyperic but the ROI on those could turn out to be minimal. I've used MRTG, Cricket and Cacti in Production and at home and prefer Cacti above them all, as it has involved the least head banging over the years. I've tried the various others but they fulfill a bigger role (combined network, system, and application monitoring) and are probably overkill for what you are trying to accomplish. Dave Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:59:26 -0400 From: eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network I'm trying to get a better handle on what's happening on my network at work. I'm currently using Nagios to monitor the big things (Server health, switch health, etc), but I'd like more granular statistics (how much data is coming and going, are any links saturated, etc). A quick glance shows that MRTG, Cricket, and RRD are good things to start playing with. I'm staring to play around with MRTG, but I'm hearing rumors of scalability issues and I don't want to get deep into MRTG if I should be putting resources elsewhere. A quick sketch of the network is a few internet connections, our router, and a few switches for networking along with a few switches for VoIP as well as our PBX. I don't want to monitor every port all the time, I instead want to monitor the uplinks of the switches to have a good idea, and look at the switch if something looks awry. My question to the group is, what do you use / recommend, and do you have anything that sticks out in your head about any of these packages (good or bad)? Thanks in advance, -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by Mike Peckar

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Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Monitoring for a network

by Steve Pelland

We used MRTG at Verisign while I was there and it was fine... I dont get that visibility at this place so I am not sure here... On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm trying to get a better handle on what's happening on my network at > work. I'm currently using Nagios to monitor the big things (Server health, > switch health, etc), but I'd like more granular statistics (how much data > is coming and going, are any links saturated, etc). A quick glance shows > that MRTG, Cricket, and RRD are good things to start playing with. I'm > staring to play around with MRTG, but I'm hearing rumors of scalability > issues and I don't want to get deep into MRTG if I should be putting > resources elsewhere. > > A quick sketch of the network is a few internet connections, our router, > and a few switches for networking along with a few switches for VoIP as > well as our PBX. I don't want to monitor every port all the time, I > instead want to monitor the uplinks of the switches to have a good idea, > and look at the switch if something looks awry. > > My question to the group is, what do you use / recommend, and do you have > anything that sticks out in your head about any of these packages (good or > bad)? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 24, 2012

Monitoring for a network

by Eric Martin

I'm trying to get a better handle on what's happening on my network at work. I'm currently using Nagios to monitor the big things (Server health, switch health, etc), but I'd like more granular statistics (how much data is coming and going, are any links saturated, etc). A quick glance shows that MRTG, Cricket, and RRD are good things to start playing with. I'm staring to play around with MRTG, but I'm hearing rumors of scalability issues and I don't want to get deep into MRTG if I should be putting resources elsewhere. A quick sketch of the network is a few internet connections, our router, and a few switches for networking along with a few switches for VoIP as well as our PBX. I don't want to monitor every port all the time, I instead want to monitor the uplinks of the switches to have a good idea, and look at the switch if something looks awry. My question to the group is, what do you use / recommend, and do you have anything that sticks out in your head about any of these packages (good or bad)? Thanks in advance, -- Eric Martin

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Walt

Take a close look at the capacitors on the motherboard. If they are bulging you can either replace them or the whole board. Walt On 10/11/2012 10:30 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Brett" == Brett Russ<bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> writes: > > Brett> Yes, I've done that several times. In fact, since my BIOS is > Brett> having issues preserving settings and shows the CMOS checksum > Brett> failure quite often, I usually have to revert to defaults just > Brett> to boot. This, despite a brand new CMOS battery. This is the > Brett> other symptom in my original email that I can't yet explain. > Brett> But, if it ends up being a motherboard HW issue, then anything > Brett> could go wrong including corrupted CMOS. > > This points more to a low level hardware issue in the motherboard, or > possibly the CPU. Hard to know. If it's old enough, it might be time > to just replace it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Brett" == Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> writes: Brett> Yes, I've done that several times. In fact, since my BIOS is Brett> having issues preserving settings and shows the CMOS checksum Brett> failure quite often, I usually have to revert to defaults just Brett> to boot. This, despite a brand new CMOS battery. This is the Brett> other symptom in my original email that I can't yet explain. Brett> But, if it ends up being a motherboard HW issue, then anything Brett> could go wrong including corrupted CMOS. This points more to a low level hardware issue in the motherboard, or possibly the CPU. Hard to know. If it's old enough, it might be time to just replace it. John

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Frank Sweetser

I'm almost there now, we'll see what's going on Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I'm standing outside of Higgins 230 and its's full of people... None >of which look like they're here for wlug... > >On 10/9/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> I reserved Higgins Labs 230 again, same place as last month. >> >> On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 04:41:23PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Where will this meeting be held? My current demo setup is two pcs... >>> I'm probably going to need help depending on where we have it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim. >>> >>> On 10/5/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>> > Sounds great! >>> > >>> > On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: >>> >> That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization >stuff.. I'd >>> >> be >>> >> willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about >>> >> OpenStack. >>> >> >>> >> Chuck, what do you think? >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser >>> >> <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. >>> >> > >>> >> > -David >>> >> > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Hey Gang! >>> >> > >>> >> > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody >have a >>> >> > topic/idea? >>> >> > >>> >> > Thanks, >>> >> > Tim. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >-- >Sent from my mobile device > >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Tim Keller

I'm standing outside of Higgins 230 and its's full of people... None of which look like they're here for wlug... On 10/9/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I reserved Higgins Labs 230 again, same place as last month. > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 04:41:23PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Where will this meeting be held? My current demo setup is two pcs... >> I'm probably going to need help depending on where we have it. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On 10/5/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> > Sounds great! >> > >> > On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization stuff.. I'd >> >> be >> >> willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about >> >> OpenStack. >> >> >> >> Chuck, what do you think? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser >> >> <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: >> >> >> >> > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. >> >> > >> >> > -David >> >> > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Hey Gang! >> >> > >> >> > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a >> >> > topic/idea? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:58 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > Actually, I'd also go into the BIOS and reset it to the manufacturers > defaults, just in case you made a change at some point to tweak > settings for more performance, etc. I.E. make sure there's no > overclocking or anything like that. Yes, I've done that several times. In fact, since my BIOS is having issues preserving settings and shows the CMOS checksum failure quite often, I usually have to revert to defaults just to boot. This, despite a brand new CMOS battery. This is the other symptom in my original email that I can't yet explain. But, if it ends up being a motherboard HW issue, then anything could go wrong including corrupted CMOS. thanks, Brett

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by John Stoffel

Brett> I will double check later tonight the completely bare motherboard Brett> (with CPU and at least one DIMM, of course) to see if I can repro Brett> again in this state. I'll check for any LEDs and flashing patterns. Actually, I'd also go into the BIOS and reset it to the manufacturers defaults, just in case you made a change at some point to tweak settings for more performance, etc. I.E. make sure there's no overclocking or anything like that. Good luck! John

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

All, I'll try to address everyone's responses at once. In short, it's nothing to do with the OS because the problem is quite simply a failure for the BIOS to complete POST, and quite often at that. As I mentioned I've already repro'd the problem with everything (which means a video card and all SATA devices and all USB devices b/c everything else is onboard) unplugged. This is why I suspect the HW. The next step is, as someone suggested, monitoring motherboard LEDs, although I haven't seen much here yet. There is no beep pattern when things fail. There is, apparently, a beep at end of POST, which I don't hear when the problem repro's, which indicates to me that I'm stuck in POST somewhere. I will double check later tonight the completely bare motherboard (with CPU and at least one DIMM, of course) to see if I can repro again in this state. I'll check for any LEDs and flashing patterns. Lastly, I'll manually disable through BIOS menu as many devices as I can and hope that the settings stick across reboot (I'd mentioned some problems in this department in my original email). Even then I'm not sure if the BIOS will still include these devices in POST (I'd expect it might) and then just disable them before proceeding to boot the OS. Thanks for the help all! Brett

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by David P. Connell

My apologies for excess (here and previous posts). I should have re-read the original post more clearly. Still, I hope I may have sparked a thought along the chain of diagnosis. Good luck. -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by David P. Connell

I agree with running a liveCD OS to test for software issues. Almost always do that to draw the line between software and hardware issues. Try Puppy Linux, if only because of the fast download, cute name, and it is of course, useful as well. SystemRescueCD too. And, to clarify about "fickle memory" - I meant running tests on memory can be tricky, as was mentioned by another individual. Still sounds like it could be spiking power and then lagging power in the supply circuit on the motherboard. Could be a single capacitor or (sadly) impossible to find economically. I hope it is something simple though, like the NIC idea, although those are usually onboard nowadays and a bad IC or circuit there may remain a problem even if not being used. You could try the same idea as our friend suggested of removing peripherals and adding them back by doing something similar in the bios by disabling all nonessential items. Turn off the NIC, the serial port, if applicable, etc. One thing I wasn't sure of: have you tried a different video card? You mentioned replacing the failed monitor in the original post. I always try to go back to previous failures and changes to trace current problems. It may be possible that some sort of power spike during the failure of that old monitor caused an intermittent (or pending) issue in your video card that is now showing up in your system. Since the video subsystem is such a 'major' part of the way we use computers these days and also very tightly bound to the power system and power requirements in a lot of instances, I would at least check it out. DaveC On 10/10/2012 1:24 PM, David P. Connell wrote: > How about the power capacitors and/or ic's on the board itself (as > opposed the the power supply)? I have to admit, that is the first thing > that came to my mind after reading the first few posts. I'm surprised > nobody else went there. Of course, memory is a fickle thing and it > still could be that, but I am feeling that it is something else. > > DaveC > > > On 10/8/2012 11:30 PM, Brett Russ wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>>> I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage >>>> Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. >>> I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. >> Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same >> problematic way as before. >> >> So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had >> memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 >> total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried >> removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd >> either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know >> some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running >> for a couple more days anyway. >> >> Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything >> else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. >> Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. >> >> Recall the system is having trouble POST'ing: it hangs at various >> points before BIOS POST completes, i.e. I don't get a confirming >> 'beep' at end of POST and in some cases the monitor won't wake, other >> cases the BIOS splash screen stays splashed, etc. The full original >> email is here: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2012-September/008059.html >> >> Anyway, if anyone has other ideas here I'd welcome them. >> >> Thanks again, >> Brett >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by David P. Connell

How about the power capacitors and/or ic's on the board itself (as opposed the the power supply)? I have to admit, that is the first thing that came to my mind after reading the first few posts. I'm surprised nobody else went there. Of course, memory is a fickle thing and it still could be that, but I am feeling that it is something else. DaveC On 10/8/2012 11:30 PM, Brett Russ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>> I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage >>> Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. >> I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. > Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same > problematic way as before. > > So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had > memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 > total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried > removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd > either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know > some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running > for a couple more days anyway. > > Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything > else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. > Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. > > Recall the system is having trouble POST'ing: it hangs at various > points before BIOS POST completes, i.e. I don't get a confirming > 'beep' at end of POST and in some cases the monitor won't wake, other > cases the BIOS splash screen stays splashed, etc. The full original > email is here: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2012-September/008059.html > > Anyway, if anyone has other ideas here I'd welcome them. > > Thanks again, > Brett > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Possible problem with demo tomorrow...

by Frank Sweetser

My vote would be to go ahead with the presentation, and don't worry about the demo. Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >There's that old adage, when it rains it pours... > >Work critical stuff has made it hard for me to focus on getting the >demo to >work completely. > >I can do two things... > >1. I can do my presentation without the demo. >2. I can do my presentation next month, giving me time to get the demo >working right, etc. > >What do you guys want me to do? > >Thanks, >Tim. > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Oct. 9, 2012

Possible problem with demo tomorrow...

by Tim Keller

There's that old adage, when it rains it pours... Work critical stuff has made it hard for me to focus on getting the demo to work completely. I can do two things... 1. I can do my presentation without the demo. 2. I can do my presentation next month, giving me time to get the demo working right, etc. What do you guys want me to do? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org>wrote: > It could be the motherboard or CPU, but try unplugging all USB devices > and removing all the internal cards that you can, first. If it boots > okay then, try adding them back, one at a time, until you find the > offending device. > Just a second for this sort of approach. I once had a machine which basically got hit by lightning and they went down. In the end, I found that what had actually happened was the hub I was using got hit and fried all the network cards on the LAN. As I recall, the machines wouldn't even let me power them on until I pulled the (noticeably crispy) network card out and then everything worked fine after that.

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by joel d

> From: Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <CAGcHgFN4odSRHmS=jjYuvEDy1myRMOgKEYxy0bWu9e4-3V9i7A(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>> I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage >> >>> Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. >> >> I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. > > Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same > problematic way as before. > > So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had > memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 > total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried > removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd > either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know > some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running > for a couple more days anyway. > > Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything > else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. > Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. > > Recall the system is having trouble POST'ing: it hangs at various > points before BIOS POST completes, i.e. I don't get a confirming > 'beep' at end of POST and in some cases the monitor won't wake, other > cases the BIOS splash screen stays splashed, etc. The full original > email is here: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2012-September/008059.html > > Anyway, if anyone has other ideas here I'd welcome them. > > Thanks again, > Brett > Hi Brett, You sound pretty convinced this is a PC hardware problem. I think I missed the earlier discussion, but how exactly do you know this is hardware at fault (vs anything not hardware at fault) and how certain are you? Have you tried running a "bootable operating system" via a CD or DVD drive as a diagnostic step (will it boot Ubuntu or another from the optical drive)? If CD/DVD boot is out, there are thumb drive bootable images also. I would start here and rule out everything that is not hardware. As a test, if a different O.S. than Ubuntu 11.10, runs well (except slower) from an optical drive, your hardware is likely fine (and instead have an Ubuntu 11 or app or driver problem). Step only takes a few minutes and is very telling (and well worth it IMHO). This step will likely tell you if it is hardware vs everything else. So if you can assure yourself it is hardware 100% ... All the PC hardware I have worked on in the past years is pretty much self diagnosing/reporting. In this case, your job if you choose to accept it, is to "read and decipher what the motherboard is telling you at boot up". To speak the language of your motherboard, you need to check for any of the following information: External to case, Rear facing LEDs (often have many and are multi-colored) On motherboard LEDs, viewable only inside Beep tones heard at boot up Error or other messages displayed quickly at bootup You need to read the "diagnostics" page of your model's specific PC or motherboard vendor's manual for this specific PC/motherboard to decipher what it is seeing at bootup (based upon lights/beeps/LEDS/etc). Sounds like: You either have two bad power supplies, or this is not the problem. You could have bad memory DIMM(s) that do pass MemTest86 (these test help, but I have seen them pass on bad chips it is a bit of a long shot though). You have changed the motherboard battery and flashed the latest BIOS. Don't rule out a new BIOS being a problem (glitch in install or wrong one or BIOS version problem) You still have a problem that could be hardware or not. You could have an Ubuntu 11 playing well with your motherboard, thus a test of another OS and version... If it was my PC I would next rule out the following in this order: Test and work on whatever the motherboard manufacturer is telling you via lights/beeps/LEDs/boot messages. Ubuntu V11.10, not because I don't like it but trying something else for 15 minutes could tell you something. The current version of CMOS you flashed to the motherboard

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Richard Klein

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same > problematic way as before. > > So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had > memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 > total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried > removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd > either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know > some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running > for a couple more days anyway. > > Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything > else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. > Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. It could be the motherboard or CPU, but try unplugging all USB devices and removing all the internal cards that you can, first. If it boots okay then, try adding them back, one at a time, until you find the offending device. -- Rich

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

If you reseat the CPU, be careful with the heatsink. I have pulled out an AMD chip out of a socket with the socket engaged by trying to remove the heatsink. The heatsink compound can get gooey enough to act like a weak glue. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Brett Russ wrote: > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage > > > >> Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. > > > > I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. > > Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same > problematic way as before. > > So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had > memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 > total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried > removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd > either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know > some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running > for a couple more days anyway. > > Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything > else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. > Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. > > Recall the system is having trouble POST'ing: it hangs at various > points before BIOS POST completes, i.e. I don't get a confirming > 'beep' at end of POST and in some cases the monitor won't wake, other > cases the BIOS splash screen stays splashed, etc. The full original > email is here: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2012-September/008059.html > > Anyway, if anyone has other ideas here I'd welcome them. > > Thanks again, > Brett > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Oct. 9, 2012

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 10/10 7PM: OpenStack

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be held on Wednesday, October 10, at 7PM. The location will be WPI Higgins Labs, room 230 (computer lab). Wednesday, October 10, 7:00 - 9:00 PM WPI Higgins Labs, room 230 (computer lab) WLUG member Tim Keller will be giving a presentation on OpenStack, open source software for building private and public clouds. Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Chuck Anderson

I reserved Higgins Labs 230 again, same place as last month. On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 04:41:23PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Chuck, > > Where will this meeting be held? My current demo setup is two pcs... > I'm probably going to need help depending on where we have it. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On 10/5/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Sounds great! > > > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > >> That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization stuff.. I'd be > >> willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about OpenStack. > >> > >> Chuck, what do you think? > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser > >> <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: > >> > >> > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. > >> > > >> > -David > >> > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > >> > > >> > Hey Gang! > >> > > >> > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a > >> > topic/idea? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Tim.

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:57 AM, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage > >> Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. > > I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. Well, brand new power supply and the system behaves the same problematic way as before. So next try is the memory, as another list reply suggested. I've had memtest86 running against both DIMMs for 47+ hours and counting, 70 total passes so far, and 0 errors. Remember I'd already tried removing first one DIMM, then the other, and the problem repro'd either way. So by these measures it'd seem the memory is OK? I know some mem problems take days to show up so I'll just leave this running for a couple more days anyway. Not much more I can do here, as I've seen repros with most everything else unplugged so I'm now thinking it must be the motherboard. Perhaps I will try reseating the CPU--haven't done that yet. Recall the system is having trouble POST'ing: it hangs at various points before BIOS POST completes, i.e. I don't get a confirming 'beep' at end of POST and in some cases the monitor won't wake, other cases the BIOS splash screen stays splashed, etc. The full original email is here: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2012-September/008059.html Anyway, if anyone has other ideas here I'd welcome them. Thanks again, Brett

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Tim Keller

Chuck, Where will this meeting be held? My current demo setup is two pcs... I'm probably going to need help depending on where we have it. Thanks, Tim. On 10/5/12, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Sounds great! > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: >> That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization stuff.. I'd be >> willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about OpenStack. >> >> Chuck, what do you think? >> >> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser >> <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: >> >> > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. >> > >> > -David >> > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >> > >> > Hey Gang! >> > >> > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a >> > topic/idea? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tim. >> > >> > -- >> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 8, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Chuck Anderson

Sounds great! On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:24AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization stuff.. I'd be > willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about OpenStack. > > Chuck, what do you think? > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: > > > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. > > > > -David > > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > Hey Gang! > > > > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a > > topic/idea? > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 6, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Frank Sweetser

Fantastic idea! Plus if it's on Wednesday the 10th I should actually be able to make it for once... Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 10/4/2012 9:19 PM, David Glaser wrote: > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. > > -David > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >> Hey Gang! >> >> I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a topic/idea? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 6, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Tim Keller

That's a great idea. I do lots and lots of virtualization stuff.. I'd be willing to do some research, setup a demo and do a talk about OpenStack. Chuck, what do you think? On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>wrote: > How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. > > -David > On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Gang! > > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a > topic/idea? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 5, 2012

Re: [Wlug] I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by David Glaser

How about the cloud -say OpenStack. I see references to it. -David On 10/04/2012 03:38 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang! > > I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a > topic/idea? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 5, 2012

I presume we're meeting the 10th of Oct?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! I presume we're having a meeting on the 10th? Does anybody have a topic/idea? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 4, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 13

by Karl Lind

Hi Brett, First off, CMOS checksum errors during boot refer to MEMORY not the BIOS. Also almost all your symptoms point to a possible memory issue. Do Chuck's stuff to verify that you don't have a power drain that's causing a memory issue. Get a Memory Test utility and find out which DIMM is causing the problem. Carefully remove the DIMM and using a #2 pencil eraser, clean the contacts and replace the DIMM (The rubber removes oxidation that prevents contact) and don't forget to keep grounded! (You, not the DIMM). Cheers Karl On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply (Brett Russ) > 2. Re: help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply > (Chuck Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 14:32:05 -0400 > From: Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <CAGcHgFNRd2jLrywD977a0jZChqEREnNBt529abY0= > fh2OU5FAA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > I'm trying to diagnose a home built PC running fine since 2007 but lately > starting to act odd. Here are the system specs: > Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz cpu > Asus P5B Deluxe mobo > Nvidia 7900GS graphics card > Kingston KHX6400 2x1GB DDR2 memory > Sparkle ATX 400W power supply > 3x 1TB SATA HDDs > 1x SATA DVD-RW > > $ uname -a > Linux spider 3.0.0-25-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 17:58:59 UTC 2012 > x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > $ cat /etc/*release > DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu > DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10 > DISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiric > DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10" > > $ uname -a > Linux spider 3.0.0-25-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 17:58:59 UTC 2012 > x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > > What recently changed: > > i) replaced monitor, last one died > > ii) (carefully) vacuumed the dust from inside. Kept hand on case chassis, > didn't touch any PCB/chips, etc. > > > Here are the symptoms: > > 1) first started seeing BIOS claims of bad CMOS checksum at boot time. > Immediately suspected the CMOS battery, replaced it and reset CMOS settings > but I continue to see this. This is the one symptom that I can't yet > place, unless it's simply a bad replacement battery. > > 2) next started seeing the monitor fail to wake up after entering power > save > > 3) powering on the PC shows issues: > > 3a) often the monitor won't wake at boot > > 3b) the bios often doesn't finish POST, gets stuck at splash screen > > 3c) bios settings often don't survive across power cycles (possibly related > to #1--battery issue?) > > 3d) bios doesn't always give the affirmative beep (likely same symptom as > 3a, 3b) > > 3e) a cold power on or reset can take several "tries" before the system > stays on. I.e. fans will spin up, then spin down, one to three times > before staying on. When this happens it's pretty much guaranteed that it > won't boot successfully. > > 4) system will freeze to user input while up. I.e. once I get Linux > booted, as long as I disable monitor power save it will stay running for a > while, but I observed it stopped responding to KB and mouse input earlier > this morning. > > > Here's what I've tried: > > a) reseated both DIMMs, reproduced issues; tried with just one DIMM, > repro'd; tried other DIMM, repro'd > > b) reseated graphics card, repro'd; removed graphics card (now headless), > repro'd problem 3e > > c) reseated CMOS battery (CR2032), repro'd > > d) pulled all non-essential cables and internal connections, including > power and SATA cables from all drives, repro'd > > e) updated BIOS to latest version, repro'd > > > Unfortunately I don't have another ATX power supply to try, but was > thinking of buying one. I might also try an old PCI video card, but I > suspect due to repro (b) above that it's not the cause. > > Anyone have any other insights or agree it sounds like a bad PS? I still > can't explain symptom (1), will probably buy another battery to be sure. > Five years seems like an old PC, but I'm not a gamer so this suits me fine. > > > Thanks, > Brett > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120929/8959d06a/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 18:19:47 -0400 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20120929221947.GH12327(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 02:32:05PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > > Sparkle ATX 400W power supply > > Anyone have any other insights or agree it sounds like a bad PS? I still > > can't explain symptom (1), will probably buy another battery to be sure. > > Five years seems like an old PC, but I'm not a gamer so this suits me > fine. > > I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage > on a spare power supply hard drive connector, there should be 12v from > black to yellow, and 5v from black to red. If that checks out, you > should measure from the motherboard ATX connector as some of the other > voltages may be out of spec. You can find the standard ATX pinouts > and voltages online. Finally, you can test with the power supply > completely disconnected from the PC. Again, you can find instructions > online for how to do that, as it requires a jumper wire for the power > supply to power on. > > Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 13 > ************************************* >

Oct. 1, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

Thanks Chuck, On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage > on a spare power supply hard drive connector, there should be 12v from > black to yellow, and 5v from black to red. If that checks out, you > should measure from the motherboard ATX connector as some of the other > voltages may be out of spec. You can find the standard ATX pinouts > and voltages online. Finally, you can test with the power supply > completely disconnected from the PC. Again, you can find instructions > online for how to do that, as it requires a jumper wire for the power > supply to power on. I suppose it's time to buy a multimeter...or borrow one from work. > Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement. I have a new one on the way. I'll reply here with the results. -BR

Oct. 1, 2012

Re: [Wlug] help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 02:32:05PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: > Sparkle ATX 400W power supply > Anyone have any other insights or agree it sounds like a bad PS? I still > can't explain symptom (1), will probably buy another battery to be sure. > Five years seems like an old PC, but I'm not a gamer so this suits me fine. I agree that the power supply is suspect. You can measure the voltage on a spare power supply hard drive connector, there should be 12v from black to yellow, and 5v from black to red. If that checks out, you should measure from the motherboard ATX connector as some of the other voltages may be out of spec. You can find the standard ATX pinouts and voltages online. Finally, you can test with the power supply completely disconnected from the PC. Again, you can find instructions online for how to do that, as it requires a jumper wire for the power supply to power on. Alternatively, it may be easier to just try a replacement.

Sept. 29, 2012

help diagnosing PC issue: suspect power supply

by Brett Russ

Hi, I'm trying to diagnose a home built PC running fine since 2007 but lately starting to act odd. Here are the system specs: Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz cpu Asus P5B Deluxe mobo Nvidia 7900GS graphics card Kingston KHX6400 2x1GB DDR2 memory Sparkle ATX 400W power supply 3x 1TB SATA HDDs 1x SATA DVD-RW $ uname -a Linux spider 3.0.0-25-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 17:58:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ cat /etc/*release DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=11.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=oneiric DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 11.10" $ uname -a Linux spider 3.0.0-25-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Mon Aug 13 17:58:59 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux What recently changed: i) replaced monitor, last one died ii) (carefully) vacuumed the dust from inside. Kept hand on case chassis, didn't touch any PCB/chips, etc. Here are the symptoms: 1) first started seeing BIOS claims of bad CMOS checksum at boot time. Immediately suspected the CMOS battery, replaced it and reset CMOS settings but I continue to see this. This is the one symptom that I can't yet place, unless it's simply a bad replacement battery. 2) next started seeing the monitor fail to wake up after entering power save 3) powering on the PC shows issues: 3a) often the monitor won't wake at boot 3b) the bios often doesn't finish POST, gets stuck at splash screen 3c) bios settings often don't survive across power cycles (possibly related to #1--battery issue?) 3d) bios doesn't always give the affirmative beep (likely same symptom as 3a, 3b) 3e) a cold power on or reset can take several "tries" before the system stays on. I.e. fans will spin up, then spin down, one to three times before staying on. When this happens it's pretty much guaranteed that it won't boot successfully. 4) system will freeze to user input while up. I.e. once I get Linux booted, as long as I disable monitor power save it will stay running for a while, but I observed it stopped responding to KB and mouse input earlier this morning. Here's what I've tried: a) reseated both DIMMs, reproduced issues; tried with just one DIMM, repro'd; tried other DIMM, repro'd b) reseated graphics card, repro'd; removed graphics card (now headless), repro'd problem 3e c) reseated CMOS battery (CR2032), repro'd d) pulled all non-essential cables and internal connections, including power and SATA cables from all drives, repro'd e) updated BIOS to latest version, repro'd Unfortunately I don't have another ATX power supply to try, but was thinking of buying one. I might also try an old PCI video card, but I suspect due to repro (b) above that it's not the cause. Anyone have any other insights or agree it sounds like a bad PS? I still can't explain symptom (1), will probably buy another battery to be sure. Five years seems like an old PC, but I'm not a gamer so this suits me fine. Thanks, Brett

Sept. 29, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by John Stoffel

E> John, sorry to hear of the demise of your router. I have one of the E> newer Netgear routers here, running TomatoUSB. Very nice. It took 4 E> hands to do the magical reset after installing the software. but E> it's been solid after that. Well I did manage to get it rebooted and upgraded to the latest version of DD-WRT, but it's just sitting there waiting for me to get it setup again. I'm probably going to move to Tomato instead of DD-WRT, since I really want the ability to add internal hosts to my internal DNS without having to screw around with DNSmasq configurations all the time. I mostly do static IPs at home, except for the phones and other mobile devices... I just found that DD-WRT was sucky from a management perspective. But I liked having dual radio router doing all the work, instead of two seperate devices. John

Sept. 28, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by E Johnson

Oops, correction. I wrote: > FYI on the SB6120: the price has dropped. There is free shipping on this at the moment at newegg. Mine is on order. The SB6120 (previous model) actually costs more now, where it's still available. Make that > FYI on the SB6121... etc. & pardon the error. The SB6120s still available "new" for purchase are leftover vendor stocks of a no-longer manufactured model. Lizs On 27 September 2012 18:51, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jeff, thanks for the input on the SB6121. > > John, sorry to hear of the demise of your router. I have one of the newer > Netgear routers here, running TomatoUSB. Very nice. It took 4 hands to do > the magical reset after installing the software. but it's been solid after > that. > > Generally, service & line issues (Charter in town here): > I immediately notice line issues (when they happen) because I use an > internet telephone quite often. That's one reason I like to see the modem > logs. T3 and T4 timeouts might not be noticed if one is surfing the web. > People streaming video might see a momentary glitch, maybe. Gamers > definitely notice issues in their lines. It's not the available > upload/download speeds that make the difference, it's the ping times & > momentary glitches that cause packts to arrive or leave out of order, or > requests & replies having to be resubmitted. Those were problems I had to > address with the Charter techs at two different addresses. Line issues at > the last place took me 4 years to resolve. Charter was good to me (rebates > when I could prove their end caused the problems), and the techs that came > out were generally okay, but didn't always know what they were doing. A lot > of them pretty much just know how to measure an incoming signal, and if > necessary, put a ladder up the pole & measure there... > and how to plug in a modem & call the office for registration & > provisioning. Other, more experienced techs would sometimes look at > printouts of traceroutes, and recognize where the glitch in the system is. > I think these guys are being phased out. But the internet service is > generally very good. > > I checked again with Charter. The 3 techs who told me I'm not "allowed" to > own my own modem were wrong, or misinformed, or whatever. Totally Wrong. > Charter's NEW customers are required to use only Charter equipment, but > customers with established accounts (before July 2012) are allowed to own > their own equipment. They of course warn us that we're expected to do our > own maintanence. There is a risk in this -- if the firmware (worked out > between Charter and Motorola) is buggy, we'd have to prove (again) that > it's Them Not Us. > > I have struggled with the burden-of-proof issue off & on for 12 years now. > > So don't go on vacation, then open a new account at the new place where > you recently moved. Just migrate your account to the new location. What a > Catch-22, but until we have an alternative provider in town, it is what it > is. > > FYI on the SB6120: the price has dropped. There is free shipping on this > at the moment at newegg. Mine is on order. The SB6120 (previous model) > actually costs more now, where it's still available. > > Thanks again, guys. Hope some of this helps someone else. > Liz >

Sept. 28, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by E Johnson

Jeff, thanks for the input on the SB6121. John, sorry to hear of the demise of your router. I have one of the newer Netgear routers here, running TomatoUSB. Very nice. It took 4 hands to do the magical reset after installing the software. but it's been solid after that. Generally, service & line issues (Charter in town here): I immediately notice line issues (when they happen) because I use an internet telephone quite often. That's one reason I like to see the modem logs. T3 and T4 timeouts might not be noticed if one is surfing the web. People streaming video might see a momentary glitch, maybe. Gamers definitely notice issues in their lines. It's not the available upload/download speeds that make the difference, it's the ping times & momentary glitches that cause packts to arrive or leave out of order, or requests & replies having to be resubmitted. Those were problems I had to address with the Charter techs at two different addresses. Line issues at the last place took me 4 years to resolve. Charter was good to me (rebates when I could prove their end caused the problems), and the techs that came out were generally okay, but didn't always know what they were doing. A lot of them pretty much just know how to measure an incoming signal, and if necessary, put a ladder up the pole & measure there... and how to plug in a modem & call the office for registration & provisioning. Other, more experienced techs would sometimes look at printouts of traceroutes, and recognize where the glitch in the system is. I think these guys are being phased out. But the internet service is generally very good. I checked again with Charter. The 3 techs who told me I'm not "allowed" to own my own modem were wrong, or misinformed, or whatever. Totally Wrong. Charter's NEW customers are required to use only Charter equipment, but customers with established accounts (before July 2012) are allowed to own their own equipment. They of course warn us that we're expected to do our own maintanence. There is a risk in this -- if the firmware (worked out between Charter and Motorola) is buggy, we'd have to prove (again) that it's Them Not Us. I have struggled with the burden-of-proof issue off & on for 12 years now. So don't go on vacation, then open a new account at the new place where you recently moved. Just migrate your account to the new location. What a Catch-22, but until we have an alternative provider in town, it is what it is. FYI on the SB6120: the price has dropped. There is free shipping on this at the moment at newegg. Mine is on order. The SB6120 (previous model) actually costs more now, where it's still available. Thanks again, guys. Hope some of this helps someone else. Liz

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by John Stoffel

E> I don't know how much of the recent comments are directed to me, or E> which were responding to Richard. I was just chiming in with a general comment on Charter's tech support, and how I was pleasently surprised how easy it was to get my NAT router changed without having to talk to a tech at all. E> This here: >> Make sure that you update the MAC address with charter, and that >> they actually update it. I've had a few problems where they >> haven't even though they said they did. E> Yes! That happened to me, and the modem had to be re-registered two or E> three times. It depends on the tech you talk to. My modem was incorrectly E> or incompletely registered here by the install tach on the day the service E> was hooked up. The internet generally worked as it should anyway, but E> during times when there were connectivity problems here (see below), in E> phone calls to tech support, every once in a while the tech would tell me E> "I" had the wrong MAC address, that I was running an unauthorized modem, E> etc.. Then I would have to explain why that seemed to be, and they would E> try again to get that corrected. E> My history here: E> Charter here needs a DOCSYS3-compliant modem. I was running a Motorola E> SB6120, which worked fine for 27 months. This has several nice diagnostic E> pages, accessed at 192.168.100.1, including logs which give details of any E> exceptions and error messages. E> Connectivity problems in summer of 2010 were caused by new lines (coax) E> from the pole to the box. I was able to prove to the provider that the E> intermittant problems were not in my setup, but outside. There were several E> issues, which they gradually seemed to fix. One had to do with connectivity E> interruptions on the days following a big rainstorm. The connectors in the E> new lines (at the pole) had not been weatherproofed, which they did. Line E> techs eventually checked and improved the weatherproofing throughout the E> whole neighborhood. E> Note that I have no other services (such as TV) which run on the incoming E> line. Also note: I have no extra connectors in the coax running between the E> box and my modem. E> The sick modem I experienced here a few weeks ago may have simply been due E> to a failing power supply (wall wart) running the modem. Somehow that had E> never occurred to me. I could have tested that by replacing it with an E> equivalent new power supply. E> Meanwhile 2 Charter techs had diagnosed my modem as 'dying', shook their E> heads when they learned it was 2+ years old, replaced it with one of E> theirs, and left. This is a Cisco, which sounded reasonable to me. But E> there is only one page available to customers, at 192.168.100.1 and this E> only shows that the modem is connected, a few power levels, SNR, how many E> channels are running. Further diagnostic pages can be accessed through a E> password, but the usual logins and passwords don't work. E> My ultimate solution is to get another modem which I will own and have E> provisioned when I set it up. The one I'm planning to get is the Motorola E> SB 6121, their replacement for the 6120, which they no longer manufacture. E> A further note on the SB6120, in case anyone gets one on ebay or whatever: E> These are very sensitive to incoming power levels. If the signal is too E> "hot", such as 15 dBmV, they start throwing errors. These power levels seem E> to vary according to temperature and humidity. Once I installed a 3db E> attenuator pad between the incoming coax and my modem, the power levels E> the modem experienced came down to 10 or 12 dBmV, which allowed the modem E> to operate without interruption for many months at a time. E> I haven't heard if the SB6121 has the same sensitivity to hot power levels E> or not. I'm still reading reviews and forum posts about this unit. I can E> report on it once I get one in here and running. It will be nice to be able E> to see the diagnostics pages and service logs again. E> Liz E> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E> _______________________________________________ E> Wlug mailing list E> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org E> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by jeffhemstreet＠yahoo.com

Just thought I'd chime in... I have had Charter for 12+ years and only had a total of 3 outages that were more than a few hours. Dealing with customer support is usually a pain, but I try to get to a technical person by telling them I've already tried the steps as they go down their list. I bought my AMBIT 60678EU modem in 2002 from Charter, and has been good (if not solid) for most of the last 10 years. Lately I could not get a single stream downloads of > 300KB/s (SCP, peer-to-peer, etc) but speedtest would show I had 10+Mbps available. I figured the DOCSIS 2.0 and the age of that modem could be a problem so I decided to upgraded last month to a SB6121 and get the 30Mbps service. I bought the SB6121 myself and called charter to activate it. Once we go the MAC correct, and reset the modem it was up and working. Only took about 15 minutes to get up and running... including the time to "reboot my PC" which was included in their instructions. The new SB6121 has been rock solid for me and I get 4+MB/s downloads and reports of 30-45 Mbps from speedtest. Charter does let you buy your own modem and activate it but you have to call in to tech support... I found Charter's instructions for "activating" a new modem bu the web page does not work around here. Jeff ________________________________ From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? I don't know how much of the recent comments are directed to me, or which were responding to Richard. This here: > Make sure that you update the MAC address with charter, and that > they actually update it. I've had a few problems where they > haven't even though they said they did. Yes! That happened to me, and the modem had to be re-registered two or three times. It depends on the tech you talk to. My modem was incorrectly or incompletely registered here by the install tach on the day the service was hooked up. The internet generally worked as it should anyway, but during times when there were connectivity problems here (see below), in phone calls to tech support, every once in a while the tech would tell me "I" had the wrong MAC address, that I was running an unauthorized modem, etc.. Then I would have to explain why that seemed to be, and they would try again to get that corrected. My history here: Charter here needs a DOCSYS3-compliant modem. I was running a Motorola SB6120, which worked fine for 27 months. This has several nice diagnostic pages, accessed at 192.168.100.1, including logs which give details of any exceptions and error messages. Connectivity problems in summer of 2010 were caused by new lines (coax) from the pole to the box. I was able to prove to the provider that the intermittant problems were not in my setup, but outside. There were several issues, which they gradually seemed to fix. One had to do with connectivity interruptions on the days following a big rainstorm. The connectors in the new lines (at the pole) had not been weatherproofed, which they did. Line techs eventually checked and improved the weatherproofing throughout the whole neighborhood. Note that I have no other services (such as TV) which run on the incoming line. Also note: I have no extra connectors in the coax running between the box and my modem. The sick modem I experienced here a few weeks ago may have simply been due to a failing power supply (wall wart) running the modem. Somehow that had never occurred to me. I could have tested that by replacing it with an equivalent new power supply. Meanwhile 2 Charter techs had diagnosed my modem as 'dying', shook their heads when they learned it was 2+ years old, replaced it with one of theirs, and left. This is a Cisco, which sounded reasonable to me. But there is only one page available to customers, at 192.168.100.1 and this only shows that the modem is connected, a few power levels, SNR, how many channels are running. Further diagnostic pages can be accessed through a password, but the usual logins and passwords don't work. My ultimate solution is to get another modem which I will own and have provisioned when I set it up. The one I'm planning to get is the Motorola SB 6121, their replacement for the 6120, which they no longer manufacture. A further note on the SB6120, in case anyone gets one on ebay or whatever: These are very sensitive to incoming power levels. If the signal is too "hot", such as 15 dBmV, they start throwing errors. These power levels seem to vary according to temperature and humidity. Once I installed a 3db attenuator pad between the incoming coax and my modem, the power levels the modem experienced came down to 10 or 12 dBmV, which allowed the modem to operate without interruption for many months at a time. I haven't heard if the SB6121 has the same sensitivity to hot power levels or not. I'm still reading reviews and forum posts about this unit. I can report on it once I get one in here and running. It will be nice to be able to see the diagnostics pages and service logs again. Liz _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by E Johnson

I don't know how much of the recent comments are directed to me, or which were responding to Richard. This here: > Make sure that you update the MAC address with charter, and that > they actually update it. I've had a few problems where they > haven't even though they said they did. Yes! That happened to me, and the modem had to be re-registered two or three times. It depends on the tech you talk to. My modem was incorrectly or incompletely registered here by the install tach on the day the service was hooked up. The internet generally worked as it should anyway, but during times when there were connectivity problems here (see below), in phone calls to tech support, every once in a while the tech would tell me "I" had the wrong MAC address, that I was running an unauthorized modem, etc.. Then I would have to explain why that seemed to be, and they would try again to get that corrected. My history here: Charter here needs a DOCSYS3-compliant modem. I was running a Motorola SB6120, which worked fine for 27 months. This has several nice diagnostic pages, accessed at 192.168.100.1, including logs which give details of any exceptions and error messages. Connectivity problems in summer of 2010 were caused by new lines (coax) from the pole to the box. I was able to prove to the provider that the intermittant problems were not in my setup, but outside. There were several issues, which they gradually seemed to fix. One had to do with connectivity interruptions on the days following a big rainstorm. The connectors in the new lines (at the pole) had not been weatherproofed, which they did. Line techs eventually checked and improved the weatherproofing throughout the whole neighborhood. Note that I have no other services (such as TV) which run on the incoming line. Also note: I have no extra connectors in the coax running between the box and my modem. The sick modem I experienced here a few weeks ago may have simply been due to a failing power supply (wall wart) running the modem. Somehow that had never occurred to me. I could have tested that by replacing it with an equivalent new power supply. Meanwhile 2 Charter techs had diagnosed my modem as 'dying', shook their heads when they learned it was 2+ years old, replaced it with one of theirs, and left. This is a Cisco, which sounded reasonable to me. But there is only one page available to customers, at 192.168.100.1 and this only shows that the modem is connected, a few power levels, SNR, how many channels are running. Further diagnostic pages can be accessed through a password, but the usual logins and passwords don't work. My ultimate solution is to get another modem which I will own and have provisioned when I set it up. The one I'm planning to get is the Motorola SB 6121, their replacement for the 6120, which they no longer manufacture. A further note on the SB6120, in case anyone gets one on ebay or whatever: These are very sensitive to incoming power levels. If the signal is too "hot", such as 15 dBmV, they start throwing errors. These power levels seem to vary according to temperature and humidity. Once I installed a 3db attenuator pad between the incoming coax and my modem, the power levels the modem experienced came down to 10 or 12 dBmV, which allowed the modem to operate without interruption for many months at a time. I haven't heard if the SB6121 has the same sensitivity to hot power levels or not. I'm still reading reviews and forum posts about this unit. I can report on it once I get one in here and running. It will be nice to be able to see the diagnostics pages and service logs again. Liz

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by John Stoffel

Eric> Make sure that you update the MAC address with charter, and that Eric> they actually update it. I've had a few problems where they Eric> haven't even though they said they did. Just to chime in here, Charter seems to have a new automated system for checking internet problems. I bricked my WNDR3700v2 recently while trying to upgrade it to a newer version of DD-WRT, so I had to fall back quickly to my PCengines (http://pcengines.ch) based m0n0wall box to get the internet working. Since I munged the wrong MAC address into the m0n0wall, I sighed and called up charter. The automated system was quite nice, and did a full remote reset of my router and presto, things started working again. Eric> Also, a lot of modems have diagnostic suites built in. An easy Eric> enough way to get at it is to turn it off, and unscrew the coax Eric> line. Now boot it up, and it won't get an IP from charter, but Eric> it should give your router an ip like 193.168.100.100, and the Eric> gateway should he something like 192.168.100.1 (check for Eric> specifics) but that gateway is your modem. Punch that IP into a Eric> browser and see what comes up, usually the password is something Eric> stupid, and a Google search will yield it if its not admin. Keep Eric> in mind you pulled the cable, so it will show that. This will Eric> also work when you have no internet, and it usually shortens Eric> phone calls with Charter. I've got an old Motorola Surfboard 3100 I could give, my current 5120 is working just fine. John

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by Eric Martin

Make sure that you update the MAC address with charter, and that they actually update it. I've had a few problems where they haven't even though they said they did. Also, a lot of modems have diagnostic suites built in. An easy enough way to get at it is to turn it off, and unscrew the coax line. Now boot it up, and it won't get an IP from charter, but it should give your router an ip like 193.168.100.100, and the gateway should he something like 192.168.100.1 (check for specifics) but that gateway is your modem. Punch that IP into a browser and see what comes up, usually the password is something stupid, and a Google search will yield it if its not admin. Keep in mind you pulled the cable, so it will show that. This will also work when you have no internet, and it usually shortens phone calls with Charter. sent from my mobile Eric On Sep 26, 2012 10:42 AM, "Richard Klein" <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Liz, > I live in Clinton these days, where Verizon DSL and Comcast are the > only options. Comcast is faster, but their monthly data caps made > Verizon the better choice for me (not to mention my general distaste > for cable companies). > > I recently had superficially similar problems. I went on freecycle > and got someone's old DSL modem to swap for my own, to rule that out, > but I got impatient and bought a new modem before I got the reply from > freecycle. In any case, you probably can get another cable modem off > freecycle for testing purposes. > > After the new modem didn't fix things, I finally called Verizon. > They sent out a tech with a good "bedside" manner (he was friendly, > seemed to know what he was talking about, and didn't talk down to me). > He didn't find anything wrong with my signal, but he did notice the > copper loop to my apartment was longer than necessary and cut down the > excess at the pole. I haven't had any problems in the 2 months since. > In retrospect, I think my problems were mostly on hot, humid days. > > -- > Rich > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 > purchased > > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there > watching; > > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming > line > > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was > Granny-in-a-Box, > > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that > they > > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > were > > yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no longer" > > service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain visitors > > appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has always > > been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their > > problem. > > > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test > it to > > make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test > to > > see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon > FIOS > > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is > running > > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better > since > > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around > why > > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > giveaway, > > or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & can wait > for > > results. > > > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > > Liz J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 27, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by Richard Klein

Liz, I live in Clinton these days, where Verizon DSL and Comcast are the only options. Comcast is faster, but their monthly data caps made Verizon the better choice for me (not to mention my general distaste for cable companies). I recently had superficially similar problems. I went on freecycle and got someone's old DSL modem to swap for my own, to rule that out, but I got impatient and bought a new modem before I got the reply from freecycle. In any case, you probably can get another cable modem off freecycle for testing purposes. After the new modem didn't fix things, I finally called Verizon. They sent out a tech with a good "bedside" manner (he was friendly, seemed to know what he was talking about, and didn't talk down to me). He didn't find anything wrong with my signal, but he did notice the copper loop to my apartment was longer than necessary and cut down the excess at the pole. I haven't had any problems in the 2 months since. In retrospect, I think my problems were mostly on hot, humid days. -- Rich On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was Granny-in-a-Box, > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that they > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router were > yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no longer" > service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain visitors > appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has always > been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their > problem. > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it to > make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test to > see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is running > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better since > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a giveaway, > or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & can wait for > results. > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > Liz J > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 26, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need recommendation on UPs for small home network.

by E Johnson

Thank you. That helps. For quite some time I had been trying to find good answers online about whether or not I need a UPS that has "pure sine wave" output, or not. The newer "active PFC" power supplies supposedly require this. That's what I have here in the latest build. I found one on sale & free shipping at newegg for a price that won't hurt too much. CyberPower CP1000PFCLCD UPS This has only 20 reviews now, but most of the owners seem to be happy. I think this should keep the periodic brownouts from unexpectedly corrupting data. Thanks again! Liz J On 23 September 2012 08:32, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > If this is too verbose or vague, I apologize in advance. There is no > easy selection process for a UPS. Everybody seems to have different > opinions on UPSs and depending on who you talk to, all may be right,all may > be wrong. > > I have a strong preference for APC UPSs, although all brands have their > lemons. The unit I have and all the units at my work all beep on and off > when there is a power outage. Most UPSs have a USB cable that > provides status information for a automatic shutdown. I have not used it > and although I have not looked in a long time, I have not seen anything > written about Linux support with APC. > > I have a backup XS 900 for about 5 years with no problems. The only > issue for me is that it has a small fan that runs all the time. I > generally only hear it when things are very quiet . I intentionally went > big to extend the life of the UPS by reducing stress on the battery and > maintaining an acceptable power up time on outages when the battery > degrades. Yes, the battery will degrade. > > One thing to keep in mind when shopping for a UPS is that VA (volt amps) > is not the same as watts. My personal view is that when comparing UPSs of > a good brand, compare them based on watts, not VA. > > Where I work, we use an APC 450 for just about every PC in the place > (mostly office machines). Untill recently, the building would loose power > about 3 times a year. I think the battery typicaly lasts about 3 years > before they need replacement. If you want to check the power usage of your > computer, you may want to use a "kill a watt" or similiar device to measure > the power usage, both steady state and possibly when turning the PC on. I > will assume the actual power usage will be in the ballpark of 200W for the > computer and reasonable monitor (light to moderate loaded cpu). > > For myself and limiting myself to APC and newegg, I would consider the > "APC BE750G 750 VA 450 Watts 10 Outlets Power Saving Back-UPS ES". The > power save feature would get in my way, but I run my computer off from a > power strip so I would not use those power outlets anaway. Anything > smaller, I would not be confortable assuming 5 minutes of run time for one > machine. Of course, it is almost 2X the cost of an APC 450 :( > > Whatever you choose to use, I wish you best of luck. > > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:01 AM, E Johnson wrote: > > Today and the other day we discussed my issues with a modem declared-dead > by twin techs from my ISP. Part of that problem may have been caused by bad > elex service here. > > I need a recommendation for a UPS to use here. We have dirty elex here in > this 112 year-old central Worcester house, & inadequate amperage to my > floor (top floor garret). Refrig runs on same circuit as my computers do. > Lights dim when something downstairs also turns on, probably a microwave > oven and/or a TV. This won't be fixed any time soon unless the landlady > suddenly becomes a benefactress of the Gate$ Foundation, which will never > happen. I could sometime get an electrician in here to add a suitable > circuit for my floor, but it would be faster & better just to get an UPS, > whether or not the elex here is ever upgraded. > > UPS here would only need to run max 2 PCs plus their monitors, one modem > and router & a light bulb or two. Really needs to run only one. The > primary PC here is mine, which has a 450W power supply running a 95W AMD > FX4100 quad (bulldozer) no vid card. Antec Sonata II case has 2 fans. Mobo > is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 > Built June 2012. Works great. The other PC is a few years older; similar, > but usually don't care if it shuts down in power outage or not. > > I need UPS to beep audibly in a power outage, but only need maybe 5 > minutes to light a candle, go to office, save whatever is not saved & Halt. > Otherwise just need UPS to smooth out the fluctuating elex here. > > I'm not clear from newegg or any vendor, which kind of UPS I need to get > for this small home setup. Please would someone recommend what UPS would be > suitable here, but not overkill. > > Thanks extremely, > Liz J > *_______________________________________________* > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need recommendation on UPs for small home network.

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

If this is too verbose or vague, I apologize in advance. There is no easy selection process for a UPS. Everybody seems to have different opinions on UPSs and depending on who you talk to, all may be right,all may be wrong. I have a strong preference for APC UPSs, although all brands have their lemons. The unit I have and all the units at my work all beep on and off when there is a power outage. Most UPSs have a USB cable that provides status information for a automatic shutdown. I have not used it and although I have not looked in a long time, I have not seen anything written about Linux support with APC. I have a backup XS 900 for about 5 years with no problems. The only issue for me is that it has a small fan that runs all the time. I generally only hear it when things are very quiet . I intentionally went big to extend the life of the UPS by reducing stress on the battery and maintaining an acceptable power up time on outages when the battery degrades. Yes, the battery will degrade. One thing to keep in mind when shopping for a UPS is that VA (volt amps) is not the same as watts. My personal view is that when comparing UPSs of a good brand, compare them based on watts, not VA. Where I work, we use an APC 450 for just about every PC in the place (mostly office machines). Untill recently, the building would loose power about 3 times a year. I think the battery typicaly lasts about 3 years before they need replacement. If you want to check the power usage of your computer, you may want to use a "kill a watt" or similiar device to measure the power usage, both steady state and possibly when turning the PC on. I will assume the actual power usage will be in the ballpark of 200W for the computer and reasonable monitor (light to moderate loaded cpu). For myself and limiting myself to APC and newegg, I would consider the "APC BE750G 750 VA 450 Watts 10 Outlets Power Saving Back-UPS ES". The power save feature would get in my way, but I run my computer off from a power strip so I would not use those power outlets anaway. Anything smaller, I would not be confortable assuming 5 minutes of run time for one machine. Of course, it is almost 2X the cost of an APC 450 :( Whatever you choose to use, I wish you best of luck. On Sat, Sep 22, 2012, at 12:01 AM, E Johnson wrote: Today and the other day we discussed my issues with a modem declared-dead by twin techs from my ISP. Part of that problem may have been caused by bad elex service here. I need a recommendation for a UPS to use here. We have dirty elex here in this 112 year-old central Worcester house, & inadequate amperage to my floor (top floor garret). Refrig runs on same circuit as my computers do. Lights dim when something downstairs also turns on, probably a microwave oven and/or a TV. This won't be fixed any time soon unless the landlady suddenly becomes a benefactress of the Gate$ Foundation, which will never happen. I could sometime get an electrician in here to add a suitable circuit for my floor, but it would be faster & better just to get an UPS, whether or not the elex here is ever upgraded. UPS here would only need to run max 2 PCs plus their monitors, one modem and router & a light bulb or two. Really needs to run only one. The primary PC here is mine, which has a 450W power supply running a 95W AMD FX4100 quad (bulldozer) no vid card. Antec Sonata II case has 2 fans. Mobo is [1]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 Built June 2012. Works great. The other PC is a few years older; similar, but usually don't care if it shuts down in power outage or not. I need UPS to beep audibly in a power outage, but only need maybe 5 minutes to light a candle, go to office, save whatever is not saved & Halt. Otherwise just need UPS to smooth out the fluctuating elex here. I'm not clear from newegg or any vendor, which kind of UPS I need to get for this small home setup. Please would someone recommend what UPS would be suitable here, but not overkill. Thanks extremely, Liz J _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list [2]Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org [3]http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug References 1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 2. mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org 3. http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Sept. 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need recommendation on UPs for small home network.

by E Johnson

Thanks, Eric. That would work for the modem, but the computer(s) are across the room. I'm worried about the computers. Recenely had some invisible power event that seemed to crunch something in my most-important software. Had to do various softeware reinstalls, or re-specify preferences every time the power went out here, and sometimes have to do that anyway. I think I need a UPC that will deliver even voltage to the PCs here. I think I need to get one with active pfc (power factor corrected), but wanted to know if that was appropriate for my power supply, plus would run the AMD FX4100 processor & motherboard. And the router, so that doesn't need to suffer from power dips any more. I think I need something like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102139 But there are no reviews on it here yet. Thanks, Liz J On 22 September 2012 07:36, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I have a power strip style ups you can have, it just needs a new battery. > For a similar project, I went with a smart ups 750 or 1000, and you could > even go with a back-ups (both by apc, the smart one can shutdown your pc). > > sent from my mobile > Eric > On Sep 22, 2012 12:03 AM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Today and the other day we discussed my issues with a modem declared-dead >> by twin techs from my ISP. Part of that problem may have been caused by bad >> elex service here. >> >> I need a recommendation for a UPS to use here. We have dirty elex here in >> this 112 year-old central Worcester house, & inadequate amperage to my >> floor (top floor garret). Refrig runs on same circuit as my computers do. >> Lights dim when something downstairs also turns on, probably a microwave >> oven and/or a TV. This won't be fixed any time soon unless the landlady >> suddenly becomes a benefactress of the Gate$ Foundation, which will never >> happen. I could sometime get an electrician in here to add a suitable >> circuit for my floor, but it would be faster & better just to get an UPS, >> whether or not the elex here is ever upgraded. >> >> UPS here would only need to run max 2 PCs plus their monitors, one modem >> and router & a light bulb or two. Really needs to run only one. The >> primary PC here is mine, which has a 450W power supply running a 95W AMD >> FX4100 quad (bulldozer) no vid card. Antec Sonata II case has 2 fans. Mobo >> is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 >> Built June 2012. Works great. The other PC is a few years older; similar, >> but usually don't care if it shuts down in power outage or not. >> >> I need UPS to beep audibly in a power outage, but only need maybe 5 >> minutes to light a candle, go to office, save whatever is not saved & Halt. >> Otherwise just need UPS to smooth out the fluctuating elex here. >> >> I'm not clear from newegg or any vendor, which kind of UPS I need to get >> for this small home setup. Please would someone recommend what UPS would be >> suitable here, but not overkill. >> >> Thanks extremely, >> Liz J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 23, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Need recommendation on UPs for small home network.

by Eric Martin

I have a power strip style ups you can have, it just needs a new battery. For a similar project, I went with a smart ups 750 or 1000, and you could even go with a back-ups (both by apc, the smart one can shutdown your pc). sent from my mobile Eric On Sep 22, 2012 12:03 AM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Today and the other day we discussed my issues with a modem declared-dead > by twin techs from my ISP. Part of that problem may have been caused by bad > elex service here. > > I need a recommendation for a UPS to use here. We have dirty elex here in > this 112 year-old central Worcester house, & inadequate amperage to my > floor (top floor garret). Refrig runs on same circuit as my computers do. > Lights dim when something downstairs also turns on, probably a microwave > oven and/or a TV. This won't be fixed any time soon unless the landlady > suddenly becomes a benefactress of the Gate$ Foundation, which will never > happen. I could sometime get an electrician in here to add a suitable > circuit for my floor, but it would be faster & better just to get an UPS, > whether or not the elex here is ever upgraded. > > UPS here would only need to run max 2 PCs plus their monitors, one modem > and router & a light bulb or two. Really needs to run only one. The > primary PC here is mine, which has a 450W power supply running a 95W AMD > FX4100 quad (bulldozer) no vid card. Antec Sonata II case has 2 fans. Mobo > is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 > Built June 2012. Works great. The other PC is a few years older; similar, > but usually don't care if it shuts down in power outage or not. > > I need UPS to beep audibly in a power outage, but only need maybe 5 > minutes to light a candle, go to office, save whatever is not saved & Halt. > Otherwise just need UPS to smooth out the fluctuating elex here. > > I'm not clear from newegg or any vendor, which kind of UPS I need to get > for this small home setup. Please would someone recommend what UPS would be > suitable here, but not overkill. > > Thanks extremely, > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 22, 2012

Need recommendation on UPs for small home network.

by E Johnson

Today and the other day we discussed my issues with a modem declared-dead by twin techs from my ISP. Part of that problem may have been caused by bad elex service here. I need a recommendation for a UPS to use here. We have dirty elex here in this 112 year-old central Worcester house, & inadequate amperage to my floor (top floor garret). Refrig runs on same circuit as my computers do. Lights dim when something downstairs also turns on, probably a microwave oven and/or a TV. This won't be fixed any time soon unless the landlady suddenly becomes a benefactress of the Gate$ Foundation, which will never happen. I could sometime get an electrician in here to add a suitable circuit for my floor, but it would be faster & better just to get an UPS, whether or not the elex here is ever upgraded. UPS here would only need to run max 2 PCs plus their monitors, one modem and router & a light bulb or two. Really needs to run only one. The primary PC here is mine, which has a 450W power supply running a 95W AMD FX4100 quad (bulldozer) no vid card. Antec Sonata II case has 2 fans. Mobo is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157292 Built June 2012. Works great. The other PC is a few years older; similar, but usually don't care if it shuts down in power outage or not. I need UPS to beep audibly in a power outage, but only need maybe 5 minutes to light a candle, go to office, save whatever is not saved & Halt. Otherwise just need UPS to smooth out the fluctuating elex here. I'm not clear from newegg or any vendor, which kind of UPS I need to get for this small home setup. Please would someone recommend what UPS would be suitable here, but not overkill. Thanks extremely, Liz J

Sept. 22, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? -- + update from ISP

by E Johnson

Thanks, Karl. This makes sense. Why didn't I think of that! We have inadequate elex here which dips & dims lights frequently. Had sudden power outages a few times, including one very recently. I am not piping the modem logs anywhere; only check this if I notice an obvious problem. Results: Non available. Case (Motorola SB 6120) has only 2 screws, hex, 2 different sizes. No problem. Backplate then comes off & that's it. Nothing else to undo except whet seem to be clips, but we have no prybar tiny & thin enough to pry up these clip things. Case appears uncrackable, execpt maybe by dropping it from an airplane onto solid concrete. However. If it's only the power supply, I could test this by simply replacing the wall wart with an equivalent one from anywhere. Then I'd have to get the ISP to reprovision it, then watch to see if it worked any better after that. I do have an update from Ch4rter business office, which is relevant to my original beef with this ISP. Yesterday afternoon, I followed up by calling the business office, to ask why they changed their policy on what networking components their customers can or cannot own and administer themselves. The last person I spoke with said I am "grandfathered-in" to be allowed to own & run my own modem, since my account was opened before July, 2012 when the new poilcy was instituted (I'm a customer since there was something other than dial-up). Biz office says these techs who came to see me Thursday simply had "inadequate training" or "incorrect information" from their own supervisors. Both techs did look not older than about 3 days over 19. For the trouble call, I was promised a sup-tech & maybe one of these was, but only sup-ing the second guy how to open cardboard boxes of modems, smile at geekly grannies, & maybe how to drive the van. This modem is not in warranty & no longer manufactured (mine 2+ years old). But Motorola tech support confirmed that any old power supply 12V, 0.76A would run it. I'll borrow a power supply from somewhere, then try this thing one more time here before Responsibly Disposing of it by donating to a worthy friend's parts bin. Thanks very much, Liz J On 21 September 2012 21:52, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds more like the power supply is taking it's time to die. As the power > level dips thats where your errors/reboots are popping up. Easiest thing to > verify is 1.) Turn off the modem and unplug. 2.) Remove case and inspect > the board. 3.) If the board's solder connections look like there are not > good connections ANYWHERE on the board then you probably have a bad solder > issue, if the solder looks good, it's probably a power supply on the board > problem which is a chip. 4.) Post results > > Karl Lind > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) >> 2. Re: Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:11:17 -0400 >> From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> < >> CABmZTj0aYBHVUR83fPcMBxxpu6-YhfoPDo5G9wB1pdBAAQWwHA(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being >> informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little >> while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were >> perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased >> late June 2010. It has not been abused. >> >> I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up >> mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; >> the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line >> from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. >> They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was >> Granny-in-a-Box, >> until they let me say more than one sentence. >> >> These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" >> customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that >> they >> don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, >> FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they >> learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router >> were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no >> longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain >> visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has >> always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't >> their >> problem. >> >> So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it >> to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & >> test >> to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest >> firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? >> >> An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS >> in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles >> installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is >> running >> on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better >> since >> then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a >> topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy >> the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. >> >> Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why >> we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and >> effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I >> was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? >> >> Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my >> declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a >> giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & >> can wait for results. >> >> Thanks & happy pizzaz, >> Liz J >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8789bb41/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:31:59 -0400 >> From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> < >> CABmZTj3Ghp2GHUiWHtGtbBN5NVo0HQKzkrWcvxNngP5_q2hcGQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> PS: This evening, Ch4rter Billing has deleted the upcoming service charge >> for this morning's tech call. Amazing how it took 2 guys to check line >> levels, then hang one moden where my other modem was, + plug in one coax & >> one wall wart , then make 30-sec call to the office to get their >> repacement >> modem provisioned & watch for blinking green lights. 2 guys. >> If this happens to you (they discontinued your router & required you to >> use >> theirs), don't eat the bill. >> it does work fine, FWIW, but not impressed. >> --EJ >> >> On 20 September 2012 19:11, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being >> > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little >> > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were >> > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 >> purchased >> > late June 2010. It has not been abused. >> > >> > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up >> > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there >> watching; >> > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming >> line >> > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden >> Dying. >> > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was >> Granny-in-a-Box, >> > until they let me say more than one sentence. >> > >> > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" >> > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that >> they >> > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, >> > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they >> > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router >> > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no >> > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain >> > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which >> has >> > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't >> their >> > problem. >> > >> > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test >> it >> > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & >> test >> > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest >> > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? >> > >> > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon >> FIOS >> > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles >> > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is >> running >> > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better >> since >> > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a >> > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even >> buy >> > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. >> > >> > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around >> why >> > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and >> > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. >> I >> > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? >> > >> > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my >> > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a >> > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting >> & >> > can wait for results. >> > >> > Thanks & happy pizzaz, >> > Liz J >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8a927db4/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5 >> ************************************ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 22, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5

by Karl Lind

Sounds more like the power supply is taking it's time to die. As the power level dips thats where your errors/reboots are popping up. Easiest thing to verify is 1.) Turn off the modem and unplug. 2.) Remove case and inspect the board. 3.) If the board's solder connections look like there are not good connections ANYWHERE on the board then you probably have a bad solder issue, if the solder looks good, it's probably a power supply on the board problem which is a chip. 4.) Post results Karl Lind On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) > 2. Re: Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? (E Johnson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:11:17 -0400 > From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CABmZTj0aYBHVUR83fPcMBxxpu6-YhfoPDo5G9wB1pdBAAQWwHA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was Granny-in-a-Box, > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that they > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their > problem. > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is running > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better since > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & > can wait for results. > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > Liz J > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8789bb41/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:31:59 -0400 > From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > < > CABmZTj3Ghp2GHUiWHtGtbBN5NVo0HQKzkrWcvxNngP5_q2hcGQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > PS: This evening, Ch4rter Billing has deleted the upcoming service charge > for this morning's tech call. Amazing how it took 2 guys to check line > levels, then hang one moden where my other modem was, + plug in one coax & > one wall wart , then make 30-sec call to the office to get their repacement > modem provisioned & watch for blinking green lights. 2 guys. > If this happens to you (they discontinued your router & required you to use > theirs), don't eat the bill. > it does work fine, FWIW, but not impressed. > --EJ > > On 20 September 2012 19:11, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 > purchased > > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there > watching; > > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming > line > > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was > Granny-in-a-Box, > > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that > they > > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no > > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain > > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which > has > > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't > their > > problem. > > > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it > > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & > test > > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon > FIOS > > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is > running > > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better > since > > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around > why > > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & > > can wait for results. > > > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > > Liz J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120920/8a927db4/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5 > ************************************ >

Sept. 22, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by E Johnson

PS: This evening, Ch4rter Billing has deleted the upcoming service charge for this morning's tech call. Amazing how it took 2 guys to check line levels, then hang one moden where my other modem was, + plug in one coax & one wall wart , then make 30-sec call to the office to get their repacement modem provisioned & watch for blinking green lights. 2 guys. If this happens to you (they discontinued your router & required you to use theirs), don't eat the bill. it does work fine, FWIW, but not impressed. --EJ On 20 September 2012 19:11, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being > informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little > while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were > perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased > late June 2010. It has not been abused. > > I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up > mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; > the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line > from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. > They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was Granny-in-a-Box, > until they let me say more than one sentence. > > These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" > customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that they > don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, > FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they > learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router > were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no > longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain > visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has > always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their > problem. > > So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it > to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test > to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest > firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? > > An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS > in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles > installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is running > on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better since > then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a > topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy > the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. > > Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why > we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and > effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I > was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? > > Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my > declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a > giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & > can wait for results. > > Thanks & happy pizzaz, > Liz J > > > > > > >

Sept. 20, 2012

Test needed on declared-ill Modem. Who has a lab?

by E Johnson

Umm. Non-happy camper. ISP things have changed here, without me being informed. Recently (2 days ago) my modem started rebooting every little while. Zillions of T3 & T4 timouts in the modem log, Signal lavels were perfect when it was online. I own this thing, a Motorola SB6120 purchased late June 2010. It has not been abused. I am in Woosta & we all know the ISP available here. 2 techs showed up mid-morning, to diagnose and fix this issue. One guy stood there watching; the other guy "did stuff." They checked the signal levels on incoming line from the box connected to the pole our back, and declared my moden Dying. They talked to each other (not me) & seemed to think I was Granny-in-a-Box, until they let me say more than one sentence. These guys also confessed that since July 202, Ch4rter does not "allow" customers to own/run their own modems. Their consolation prize is that they don't charge modem rental fees any more. (it's not on the bill, anyway, FWIW). They mumbled some other mumbo jumbo and fled 5 seconds after they learned I have my own router too, & didn't care if the modem and router were yet in communication. They just said "better reboot" and they "no longer" service "wireless" --which I am not running except when certain visitors appear. I think they meant they don't diagnose routers, which has always been the policy, and which is fine. Internal LAN issues aren't their problem. So now I have a modem which may or may not be sick, but no way to test it to make sure. Is there anyone here who can take a look at this thing & test to see if it's Really Dying, or if Ch4rter deaded it with their latest firmware revision of their firmware & policy change in July 2012? An interesting meeting theme sometime might be how to get the Verizon FIOS in Worcester. Several years ago I watched Verizon trucks & Verizon moles installing their fiber optics in manholes all over town. Ch4rter is running on Verizon's infrastructure. Ch4rter internet has been working better since then, but we're still locked out of the option to use verizon. Is this a topic of interest to anyone? If so, I'll lead the discussion and even buy the Pizz4. To me, this is a Large Pizza problem. Another interesting but probably futile discussion might center around why we have suddenly been deprived of the ability to watch the behavior and effectiveness of our modems, which serve internet coming from our ISP.. I was not informed of this -- was anyone who is just a 'regular' customer? Meanwhile, if anyone has a test lab or whatever, where they can test my declared-dead modem, please let me know. Otherwise it's probably a giveaway, or another piece of Landfill Fodder. I can bring to a meeting & can wait for results. Thanks & happy pizzaz, Liz J

Sept. 20, 2012

Cleaning out the basement

by Eric Martin

It's time to clean out the basement again. I have a few older computers, along with a 2U custom case and a UPS for a VoIP telephone system with a Ring / Tip style connector (o). First come first serve. Let me know offline if you want anything and I'll bring it along to the meeting tonight. -- Eric Martin

Sept. 12, 2012

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wed 9/12 7PM: Raspberry Pi

by Chuck Anderson

Join us tomorrow evening at 7:00PM in Higgins Labs 230 for what should be an interesting meeting about Raspberry Pi. ----- Forwarded message from Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> ----- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:19:04 -0400 From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 9/12 7PM: Raspberry Pi Precedence: list Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be held on Wednesday, September 12, at 7PM. The location will be WPI Higgns Labs, room 230 (computer lab). Wednesday, September 12, 7:00 - 9:00 PM WPI Higgins Labs, room 230 (computer lab) WLUG member Karl Lind will be giving a presentation and demonstration of two Raspberry Pi "credit-card sized" computers that run on the ARM processor architecture. Others are welcome to bring their own Raspberry Pi or other similar devices to join in the fun. Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ----- End forwarded message -----

Sept. 11, 2012

Network Engineer position open at WPI

by Frank Sweetser

Hi all, just wanted to share that we're hiring again in Network Operations here at WPI. We're looking for someone with a good networking background, but linux administration and perl/SQL programming are big pluses as well. Anyone interested can find the full job details and how to apply here: http://wpi.peopleadmin.com/applicants/Central?quickFind=51618 -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken

Sept. 10, 2012

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wed 9/12 7PM: Raspberry Pi

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, The next Worcester Linux Users' Group (WLUG) monthly meeting will be held on Wednesday, September 12, at 7PM. The location will be WPI Higgns Labs, room 230 (computer lab). Wednesday, September 12, 7:00 - 9:00 PM WPI Higgins Labs, room 230 (computer lab) WLUG member Karl Lind will be giving a presentation and demonstration of two Raspberry Pi "credit-card sized" computers that run on the ARM processor architecture. Others are welcome to bring their own Raspberry Pi or other similar devices to join in the fun. Afterwards, we will go out for pizza and continue our discussions. See you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group http://www.wlug.org/

Aug. 31, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by Eric Martin

A few corrections: 1) s/overflow/pressure relief/g (Apparently I typed overflow valve, meant pressure relief valve, it's been a long week.) 2) Furnace tech already looked at it and replaced one part, the Air vent valve. He also re-calibrated the heater for the correct quantity (apparently mine needs that) and the temp was turned up too high. I haven't touched it in 5 years so I'm not sure why it was a problem now, but I saw him do those things as well as replace the air vent valve on the furnace and so far, so good. I impetus for the project isn't to delay fixing the problem, I already (hope) I have. This is to address the edge case that the pressure relief valve opens again either due to it leaking, or pressure building up. I wrote this email right after a long day that was ended by vacuuming up my basement so I apparently was scant on the details, sorry! On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hey all, > > Hi, Eric. > > > I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on > odd > > noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping > > water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and > I'm > > pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under > the > > overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that > water > > is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. > > You don't sound too sure that you have the problem licked. If that's > the case, I would definitely have a plumber look at it. It's well worth > the money (IMHO). > > > I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I > know > > a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to > get > > and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the > > bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that > > trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I > can > > stop before my basement floods. > > If you want to be paged or emailed, then I'd suggest something that can > actually talk over the internet. You can get ethernet shields and even > wifi shields for the arduino. However, the wifi shields are notoriously > buggy. If I were to do this, I would likely just run ethernet and hook > it up to a raspberry pi (it's overkill, but it will be cheaper than > buying the arduino + ethernet shield). The raspi has GPIO pins that you > can tap into for reading the sensor. Once you get your sensor and your > embedded platform of choice, folks on the list will be better able to > give you specific advice on wiring things up (if you need it). > > Good luck! > > -Jeff > Jeff, the raspberry pi advice is exactly what I'm looking for. I was indeed thinking of using an arduino with an ethernet / wifi shield, but I'm open for ideas. Obviously low tech is a light / buzzer hooked up to a sensor, but I want to be notified as well if I'm not home. I haven't played with arduino or raspberry pi yet so I guess I'm a blank slate. I'll poke around a bit more, I honestly hadn't even considered raspberry pi. I'll look a few pages to see what I like and what the pricing is and get back to you, thanks! -- Eric Martin

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by Jeff Moyer

Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: > Hey all, Hi, Eric. > I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on odd > noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping > water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and I'm > pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under the > overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that water > is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. You don't sound too sure that you have the problem licked. If that's the case, I would definitely have a plumber look at it. It's well worth the money (IMHO). > I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I know > a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to get > and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the > bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that > trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I can > stop before my basement floods. If you want to be paged or emailed, then I'd suggest something that can actually talk over the internet. You can get ethernet shields and even wifi shields for the arduino. However, the wifi shields are notoriously buggy. If I were to do this, I would likely just run ethernet and hook it up to a raspberry pi (it's overkill, but it will be cheaper than buying the arduino + ethernet shield). The raspi has GPIO pins that you can tap into for reading the sensor. Once you get your sensor and your embedded platform of choice, folks on the list will be better able to give you specific advice on wiring things up (if you need it). Good luck! -Jeff

Aug. 20, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by Eric Martin

Buzz / page me since I might not be home. Luckily I don't have any pets, it's just me, the wife and the baby. She'll hopefully check the buzzing, and he won't mind. sent from my mobile Eric On Aug 18, 2012 10:22 PM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What you're looking for is called a "waterbug" > > It has a pair of dry contacts that close a circuit when it gets wet. > you could set up an arduino, or just wire it to a buzzer. > > On 8/18/12, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on > odd > > noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping > > water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and > I'm > > pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under > the > > overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that > water > > is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. > > > > I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I > know > > a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to > get > > and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the > > bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that > > trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I > can > > stop before my basement floods. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by Mike Peckar

We have one of these - it works great, though the dog freaks out when it goes off. $15. www.leakfrog.com Mike

Aug. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by Tim Keller

What you're looking for is called a "waterbug" It has a pair of dry contacts that close a circuit when it gets wet. you could set up an arduino, or just wire it to a buzzer. On 8/18/12, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey all, > > I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on odd > noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping > water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and I'm > pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under the > overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that water > is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. > > I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I know > a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to get > and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the > bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that > trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I can > stop before my basement floods. > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Eric Martin > -- Sent from my mobile device I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Help with water level problems

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I can't help on the Arduino stuff except for the most basic of stuff (yet). I do remember seeing an article about a home made sensor using wires and table salt encased in paper. When the paper gets wet, the ionized salt + water conducts electricity. On Sat, Aug 18, 2012, at 09:00 PM, Eric Martin wrote: Hey all, I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on odd noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and I'm pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under the overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that water is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I know a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to get and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I can stop before my basement floods. Thanks in advance, -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list [1]Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org [2]http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug References 1. mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org 2. http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Aug. 19, 2012

Help with water level problems

by Eric Martin

Hey all, I had a close call with my hot water heater this afternoon. I heard on odd noise in the pipes and it turned out that my hot water heater was dumping water out of the overflow valve. Luckily, I found it quick enough, and I'm pretty sure I got it handled for < $150. There's a 1 Gal bucket under the overflow valve, and if I had a water level detector emailing me that water is in the bucket, I could have caught this earlier. I was looking at buying an Arduino and setting up a simple circuit. I know a few people have played with Arduinos, any suggestions on which one to get and how to go about it? I don't need to know how much water is in the bucket, I was thinking about a float type device or even two wires that trip a relay. I just want a heads up that water is in the bucket so I can stop before my basement floods. Thanks in advance, -- Eric Martin

Aug. 19, 2012

Re: [Wlug] A question about KMS API's

by Jason Couture

I apologize for the abbreviations. Kernel Mode Setting and Framebuffer, I found stuff on the framebuffer, using ioctl's, and mmap to work with the graphics, but I can't find any documentation on Kernel Mode Setting (Other than how to use it with Gallium/Intel/Nouveau etc). Basically, We tore the entire userland out from under the kernel, because we don't like it, and we have our base laid out and ready to go, but we want to __start__ with the graphics, and not make them an afterthought like that monstrosity X is. Want to write a small graphics API using the frame buffer (Keeping kernel mode setting in mind for when we switch to hardware acceleration) to design and test the UI using drawing primitives. Reason for wanting to know about Kernel Mode Setting: KMS gives the smooth transition (and from what i understand, also moves quite a bit of the graphics code to the kernel) that you get on say, ubuntu switching from a boot splash to the login window. We'd like to replicate that, but obviously alot more work has to be done before we get there. At least want to know what I need to keep the code ready for it, if that makes sense. Please keep in mind that no libraries can be used for this, only available binaries are ones written by myself, not even gnu libc is available. Only calls involving the kernel headers are available. The framebuffer, As i've said, I figured out. need to be mmap()ed, and ioctl is used to set/query various operational parameters (Resolution, refresh rate, manufacturer) I am not going to modify the kernel at all, with the exception of a builtin command line, I don't think i'd call that a modification though. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> Anyone know anything about the KMS API? From userland? I'm working on >> a project and would like to use KMS/FB directly, as at boot there will >> be no binaries available except ours, No libc even. Just a few static >> binaries. if anyone could point me in the right direction, it would be >> greatly appreciated it. I can't seem to find anything on it on google, >> and I really don't have the time to go pouring over the kernel source. > > KMS? Kilogram/Meter/Second? No API for that. > > Kernel Module System? I wrote a couple of kernel > modules quite a while ago. I found the following > to be very useful: > > Corbet, Rubini, Kroah-Hartman; "Linux Device Drivers", > O'Reilly > > Key Managment Service? I know nothing, but it sounds evil. > > Kernel Mode Setting? I found that via Google. You mention FB > which might mean Frame Buffer, which might mean you are trying > to set the display resolution. If that's the case, the above > reference might still be useful, but what you really need is > technical data sheets for the graphic card you want to use. > > Too many TLA's > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] A question about KMS API's

by Keith Wright

> From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > > Anyone know anything about the KMS API? From userland? I'm working on > a project and would like to use KMS/FB directly, as at boot there will > be no binaries available except ours, No libc even. Just a few static > binaries. if anyone could point me in the right direction, it would be > greatly appreciated it. I can't seem to find anything on it on google, > and I really don't have the time to go pouring over the kernel source. KMS? Kilogram/Meter/Second? No API for that. Kernel Module System? I wrote a couple of kernel modules quite a while ago. I found the following to be very useful: Corbet, Rubini, Kroah-Hartman; "Linux Device Drivers", O'Reilly Key Managment Service? I know nothing, but it sounds evil. Kernel Mode Setting? I found that via Google. You mention FB which might mean Frame Buffer, which might mean you are trying to set the display resolution. If that's the case, the above reference might still be useful, but what you really need is technical data sheets for the graphic card you want to use. Too many TLA's -- Keith

Aug. 17, 2012

A question about KMS API's

by Jason Couture

Anyone know anything about the KMS API? From userland? I'm working on a project and would like to use KMS/FB directly, as at boot there will be no binaries available except ours, No libc even. Just a few static binaries. if anyone could point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated it. I can't seem to find anything on it on google, and I really don't have the time to go pouring over the kernel source.

Aug. 17, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5

by Karl Lind

Hi Chuck, It doesn't have to be 2 HDMI compatible outputs. It just came to me that the Pi has a composite video and a stereo audio out port too. One of each would be super as I have power supplies, keyboards and mice for both my Pi's. The four OS's (which might be overkill for time) that I plan to bring for the demo are Raspian (a Debian distro that is running a web server), Gentoo, Fedora and OpenELEC (an XBMC type distro). Also if possible Ethernet access? Karl On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. September talk (Karl Lind) > 2. Re: September talk (Steve Pelland) > 3. Re: September talk (Chuck Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:56:44 -0400 > From: Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] September talk > To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <CAD3a= > eDBaeqHvAXisgYRk-3zENk9gZKZkLC6xd3TkhREhqFCbg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to > projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought after > the talk can have two running for demo purposes. > > Karl > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Hi Karl, > > are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? > So > far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > > Howdy all, > > > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > > with me. > > > > Have a great summer! > > > > Karl > > ______________________________ > _________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120816/623c6308/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 10:46:45 -0400 > From: Steve Pelland <steve.pelland(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September talk > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <CAMmWueRGFZ2LYnrnsTQv=j=8uWW6rD= > yoDvufRi19VMYZO-dyg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Karl, > This meeting will be at the usual place? This will be the first one I get > to attend. I also have a Pi and wanted to chat with others that have Pi's > so this will be a great start. > > Steve > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to > > projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought > after > > the talk can have two running for demo purposes. > > > > Karl > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi Karl, > > > > are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? > > So > > far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. > > > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution > > that > > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > > > On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > > > Howdy all, > > > > > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > > > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > > > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > > > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > > > with me. > > > > > > Have a great summer! > > > > > > Karl > > > ______________________________ > > _________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20120816/a136e845/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 11:15:10 -0400 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September talk > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20120816151510.GA6563(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The meeting room is still TBD. I can find out about connecting 2 HDMI > sources--we should be able to come up with something. > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:46:45AM -0400, Steve Pelland wrote: > > Karl, > > This meeting will be at the usual place? This will be the first one I > get > > to attend. I also have a Pi and wanted to chat with others that have Pi's > > so this will be a great start. > > > > Steve > > > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to > > > projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought > after > > > the talk can have two running for demo purposes. > > > > > > Karl > > > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 > > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? > > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > > > > Hi Karl, > > > > > > are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September > meeting? > > > So > > > far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. > > > > > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution > > > that > > > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > > > > > On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > > > > Howdy all, > > > > > > > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have > two > > > > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian > and > > > > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > > > > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > > > > with me. > > > > > > > > Have a great summer! > > > > > > > > Karl > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5 > ************************************ >

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] September talk

by Chuck Anderson

The meeting room is still TBD. I can find out about connecting 2 HDMI sources--we should be able to come up with something. On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:46:45AM -0400, Steve Pelland wrote: > Karl, > This meeting will be at the usual place? This will be the first one I get > to attend. I also have a Pi and wanted to chat with others that have Pi's > so this will be a great start. > > Steve > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to > > projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought after > > the talk can have two running for demo purposes. > > > > Karl > > > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 > > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > > > Hi Karl, > > > > are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? > > So > > far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. > > > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > > that > > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > > > On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > > > Howdy all, > > > > > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > > > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > > > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > > > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > > > with me. > > > > > > Have a great summer! > > > > > > Karl

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] September talk

by Steve Pelland

Karl, This meeting will be at the usual place? This will be the first one I get to attend. I also have a Pi and wanted to chat with others that have Pi's so this will be a great start. Steve On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to > projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought after > the talk can have two running for demo purposes. > > Karl > > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Hi Karl, > > are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? > So > far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > > Howdy all, > > > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > > with me. > > > > Have a great summer! > > > > Karl > > ______________________________ > _________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 16, 2012

September talk

by Karl Lind

Yep, still up for it. Is there a way to connect two HDMI sources up to projector/tv/video in the room? Reason I have two Pi's and I thought after the talk can have two running for demo purposes. Karl Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 12:51:25 -0400 From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> Subject: Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <5029308D.3090301(a)wpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Karl, are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? So far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > Howdy all, > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > with me. > > Have a great summer! > > Karl > ______________________________ _________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: [Wlug] BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by Keith Wright

> From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:42:41PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > > From: John Platt <jplatt39(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > I'd love to come Wednesday. From Worcster. > > > > > > > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > You and even friends/family are invited to my house, roughly aug14 6pm-8pm, > > > > Note that Tue = 13; Wed = 14. > > $ cal > August 2012 > Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa > 1 2 3 4 > 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 > 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 > 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 > 26 27 28 29 30 31 Yow! I meant to point out the problem, and instead I stuck my finger in it. I'd better take the easy way out and leave it as an exercise. I have no opinion on when Tuesday starts. -- Keith

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:42:41PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: John Platt <jplatt39(a)gmail.com> > > > > I'd love to come Wednesday. From Worcster. > > > > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > > > > You and even friends/family are invited to my house, roughly aug14 6pm-8pm, > > Note that Tue = 13; Wed = 14. $ cal August 2012 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic?

by Frank Sweetser

Hi Karl, are you still up for giving a talk on the Pi for the September meeting? So far as I know it's open for topics, and that sounds like a great one. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 07/13/2012 08:43 PM, Karl Lind wrote: > Howdy all, > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > with me. > > Have a great summer! > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by Keith Wright

> From: John Platt <jplatt39(a)gmail.com> > > I'd love to come Wednesday. From Worcster. > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > > You and even friends/family are invited to my house, roughly aug14 6pm-8pm, Note that Tue = 13; Wed = 14. -- Keith

Aug. 13, 2012

BBQ tues aug14 6pm Boylston,MA (addr,directions...)

by Doug Mildram

Sorry if the last-minute planning was inadequate for anyone. Few replies so far == small turnout == could be good anyways! You and even friends/family are invited to my house, roughly aug14 6pm-8pm, 540 Linden St Boylston MA (red house on corner of Mile Hill Rd, probably enough room in my driveway for all to park, then street is OK) I've got ample burgers,sausages,cheese,peppers,onions,buns,tortilla chips,salsa; less beverages. If you like old-fashioned verbose directions, choose one of: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster…

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by John Platt

I'd love to come Wednesday. From Worcster. I can bring some soda and chips. I'll try to bring something else. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Count me in! > > I'll bring buns, spicy meat products and deep fried potato products! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sum sum summatime.... >> >> ...and it's crunch time, do-or-die for our annual summer WLUG bbq. >> I'm looking at hosting ..... REAL SOON, e.g. tues/wed aug14/15, >> now that I see the weather (tuesday looking like the best sunny day next >> week). >> >> My rough location: boylston (near berlin+Clinton, 10min from 495/hudson, >> 20min or less from worcester via 290 east...) >> >> Timing: loose....6-8pm or later; >> >> Challenges: my grill is half-gone (2 of 4 burners work OK) >> >> and my motivation depends on some feedback. >> >> Reply to me ..........whether you'd (want to)(be able to) attend >> with or w/o SO's,pets,kids,anyone! Usually I provide >> beef/sausages/buns/etc, >> a few soda choices, and leave the rest to fate or better. >> >> Here's your form letter for a reply (just to me, dmildram(a)gmail.com) >> >> --Possible #humans: _____ (opt: dogs?) _____ >> --Tues aug 14: ok? >> -- Wed aug 15: ok? >> -------(opt) I'd be curious what town you're coming from. >> >> Vegetarian, anyone? My wife will help me attempt healthy choices... >> >> ----------------------------- >> I hope to post some (anonymized) results, >> and hopefully choose/announce,,,,,,,,,,, >> perhaps by sunday eve or monday morning. >> >> >> --doug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [Wlug] BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by Tim Keller

Count me in! I'll bring buns, spicy meat products and deep fried potato products! Later, Tim. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sum sum summatime.... > > ...and it's crunch time, do-or-die for our annual summer WLUG bbq. > I'm looking at hosting ..... REAL SOON, e.g. tues/wed aug14/15, > now that I see the weather (tuesday looking like the best sunny day next > week). > > My rough location: boylston (near berlin+Clinton, 10min from 495/hudson, > 20min or less from worcester via 290 east...) > > Timing: loose....6-8pm or later; > > Challenges: my grill is half-gone (2 of 4 burners work OK) > > and my motivation depends on some feedback. > > Reply to me ..........whether you'd (want to)(be able to) attend > with or w/o SO's,pets,kids,anyone! Usually I provide > beef/sausages/buns/etc, > a few soda choices, and leave the rest to fate or better. > > Here's your form letter for a reply (just to me, dmildram(a)gmail.com) > > --Possible #humans: _____ (opt: dogs?) _____ > --Tues aug 14: ok? > -- Wed aug 15: ok? > -------(opt) I'd be curious what town you're coming from. > > Vegetarian, anyone? My wife will help me attempt healthy choices... > > ----------------------------- > I hope to post some (anonymized) results, > and hopefully choose/announce,,,,,,,,,,, > perhaps by sunday eve or monday morning. > > > --doug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2012

BBQ interest survey: aug14/aug15 ?

by Doug Mildram

Sum sum summatime.... ...and it's crunch time, do-or-die for our annual summer WLUG bbq. I'm looking at hosting ..... REAL SOON, e.g. tues/wed aug14/15, now that I see the weather (tuesday looking like the best sunny day next week). My rough location: boylston (near berlin+Clinton, 10min from 495/hudson, 20min or less from worcester via 290 east...) Timing: loose....6-8pm or later; Challenges: my grill is half-gone (2 of 4 burners work OK) and my motivation depends on some feedback. Reply to me ..........whether you'd (want to)(be able to) attend with or w/o SO's,pets,kids,anyone! Usually I provide beef/sausages/buns/etc, a few soda choices, and leave the rest to fate or better. Here's your form letter for a reply (just to me, dmildram(a)gmail.com) --Possible #humans: _____ (opt: dogs?) _____ --Tues aug 14: ok? -- Wed aug 15: ok? -------(opt) I'd be curious what town you're coming from. Vegetarian, anyone? My wife will help me attempt healthy choices... ----------------------------- I hope to post some (anonymized) results, and hopefully choose/announce,,,,,,,,,,, perhaps by sunday eve or monday morning. --doug

Aug. 10, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Cross-compiling for Windows

by Jason Couture

If that doesn't work, try dependency walker for windows. http://www.dependencywalker.com/ I use it to view exports, but it also builds a list of required DLL's for you, showing you a minimum set required to run. it can also be run in batch mode, with no GUI. Useful for scripts. On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Sunday 05 August 2012 21:15:29 dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: >> I cross compile a program for windows on my linux box. After doing so I >> grab all the dlls and package them up. Typically this involves grabbing >> what I knew was needed and then testing on a windows box to determine if >> anything is missing. Is their some program in wine that can output what >> dlls are needed (like ldd) so I can write a script to package up >> everything? Obviously it doesn't generally change except when I upgrade to >> a new Fedora version but it would be nice to automate packaging >> everything. > > try attached script. should only need binutils (the mingw one). > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 6, 2012

Re: [Wlug] Cross-compiling for Windows

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 05 August 2012 21:15:29 dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: > I cross compile a program for windows on my linux box. After doing so I > grab all the dlls and package them up. Typically this involves grabbing > what I knew was needed and then testing on a windows box to determine if > anything is missing. Is their some program in wine that can output what > dlls are needed (like ldd) so I can write a script to package up > everything? Obviously it doesn't generally change except when I upgrade to > a new Fedora version but it would be nice to automate packaging > everything. try attached script. should only need binutils (the mingw one). -mike

Aug. 6, 2012

Cross-compiling for Windows

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I cross compile a program for windows on my linux box. After doing so I grab all the dlls and package them up. Typically this involves grabbing what I knew was needed and then testing on a windows box to determine if anything is missing. Is their some program in wine that can output what dlls are needed (like ldd) so I can write a script to package up everything? Obviously it doesn't generally change except when I upgrade to a new Fedora version but it would be nice to automate packaging everything. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 6, 2012

x86 Android VM

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Has anyone played with the x86 android images? I've tried running it under kvm but can't seem to get networking to work. I tried 4.0 rc1 a while ago. Looks like I may have found my answers on the release notes. It says ethernet doesn't work. Looks like 2.2 is the last version with working ethernet. That's disappointing. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

July 20, 2012

Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic?

by Steve Pelland

Karl, When are you going to do this talk? I can bring my Pi as well. I am running Debian on mine. I'd also be interested in what others may be doing or would like to do. Thanks Steve On Jul 13, 2012, at 8:59 PM, Wolf Bronski wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy all, > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > with me. > > Have a great summer! > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > Sounds great. I'd like to attend that if it gets going. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 14, 2012

Re: [Wlug] September meeting topic?

by Wolf Bronski

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Karl Lind <electrolind(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy all, > > I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two > of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and > Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come > out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring > with me. > > Have a great summer! > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Sounds great. I'd like to attend that if it gets going.

July 14, 2012

September meeting topic?

by Karl Lind

Howdy all, I would like to give a talk on the Raspberry Pi project and I have two of them to demonstrate various OS's (I have worked with the Debian and Fedora implementations and look forward to the others as they come out.). I have four SD cards, so that's the number of OS's I can bring with me. Have a great summer! Karl

July 14, 2012