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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 68, Issue 3

by Doug Mildram

I'll be there tonite, plus I'll offer to host the BBQ (Boylston MA, 15-20min from worcester, near northborough/berlin/clinton/hudsonMA) doug and the dogs (my wife wouldnt mind but I think she'll be away that week) >In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which > >is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that > >someone will be willing to host this event, and bring mass quantities, > and...

June 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Thursday 7:00 PM

by Dick Goodman

Andy, I had talked about possibly hosting the picnic --- perhaps next year. My son is getting married on July 26th, and we'll already have out of town guests in by the 23rd Was looking forward to the meeting, except it conflicts with dancing lessons (so I don't look like a fool at the wedding) Dick >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi everybody, > > >In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which >is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that >someone will be willing to host this event. It has been very successful >in previous years. If interested, please send me email and/or come to >the meeting. > >I look forward to seeing you on Thursday! > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) >Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) >Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFKOacFOjiraCaOTOoRAvycAJwPeYxJ/m8Yama/Lk/fKQVM1JQSYQCgsWkb >jy8TpJngqTWS8yYEcxlegZw= >=HOX6 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 18, 2009

REMINDER: Meeting Thursday 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, Our next meeting will be held on Thursday, June 18th, 2009 at 7:00 PM at the Access Grid Room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. All are welcome to attend. Our guest speaker will be Shankar Viswanathan who will talk about the Open Street Map project. This promises to be a great talk that you won't want to miss! Afterwards, we'll go out for pizza and soda and the usual camaraderie that always accompanies us to that local establishment. In addition, we need to finalize our plans for the annual WLUG BBQ which is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23rd. I am hopeful that someone will be willing to host this event. It has been very successful in previous years. If interested, please send me email and/or come to the meeting. I look forward to seeing you on Thursday! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKOacFOjiraCaOTOoRAvycAJwPeYxJ/m8Yama/Lk/fKQVM1JQSYQCgsWkb jy8TpJngqTWS8yYEcxlegZw= =HOX6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Good price for Nokia N810

by soup

Clint Moyer wrote: > With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. > I've been eyeing this thing for a long time but haven't had a chance to play with one. How are the speeds for SSH? Web browsing? Between the nokias and the pandora (if it ever comes out), MIBs are finally becoming interesting in features AND price. Take care, soup

June 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Good price for Nokia N810

by J.R. Mauro

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM, soup<soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Clint Moyer wrote: >> With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. >> > I've been eyeing this thing for a long time but haven't had a chance to > play with one. How are the speeds for SSH? Web browsing? delicious > Between the nokias and the pandora (if it ever comes out), MIBs are > finally becoming interesting in features AND price. > > Take care, > soup > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 15, 2009

Good price for Nokia N810

by Clint Moyer

With word out that the N900 will be released RSN, the price of the N810 has dropped. $180 at buy.com. http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-full-pull-out-qwerty-key…

June 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by E Johnson

Thanks guys > Traceroute is not the proper tool to ascertain the bandwidth available. Chuck, I am not using traceroute to determine bandwidth Just using that at selected times because it shows all the hops to the designted IP in milliseconds, which often reveals a big delay in one of the hops. Have to show the ISP that the bottleneck is in their stations and not farther out in the internet. > Even traceroute packet loss doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, since the lower priority of the ICMP or UDP traceroute packets means they might get dropped intentionally if the router is busy processing real traffic. Where is this lower priority determined? > If the ISP is asking you for a traceroute... ISP is not asking me for a traceroute. ISP is asking me to prove how poorly their 20 mb/s internet (which I am testing) "works." They want me to buy this service permanently at a $25 increase over my usual rate for the 10 Mb/s service I usually subscribe to --which isn't usually anywhere near 10 Mb/s either. Meanwhile, I want them to fix the poor-bandwidth problem we've had here for 4 1/2 years. Also meanwhile, during the times of worst bandwidth here, I find very-long latency times in the ISP's closest hops here. For whatever reason these are happening, I think they should see that. What I am doing is trying to assemble as many tools with as much info as possible, in order to communicate this problem to them. > If you really want to test the performance of your connection, you need two well-defined endpoints, such as your PC and a server at your ISP, both running software designed for this purpose. I am also using the server at the ISP which they recommended, using a little gui they have for this purpose. Typical bandwidth today between 12 PM and 2 PM was running between 9 Mb/s and 14 Mb/s, on the service that's supposed to give me 20 Mb/s. Thanks for the other recommendations & ideas, I will check them out & read the recommended pages. Liz J

June 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 01:42:38PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to > traceroute? Is this not enough? date; traceroute foo > I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network > traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a > printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time > when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be > effectively convincing to them. If the ISP is asking you for a traceroute, then they would know that no standard traceroute programs out there actually have a built-in date/time stamp functionality. "tracert" and "pathping" on Windows don't add a time stamp that I know of. Running "date" followed by "traceroute" should be enough. Put it in a shell script so you can invoke it as a single command if you want. There is a nicer traceroute for Linux called "Matt's Traceroute" or mtr. It prints some additional information like packet loss as well as a date/time at the top of the screen. It uses an ncurses full-screen interactive interface. > We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, and quite often, we're > not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm running here. > Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big right > close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only > going from here to Cambridge. Traceroute is not the proper tool to ascertain the bandwidth available. Traceroute tells you which route the packets take, and the "latency" given by each hop is not an accurate indicator of anything really. Traceroute packets are often processed in software by the routers along the path, often at a lower priority and rate limited compared to "real" traffic that they route, so the numbers they give for latency are not useful, and certainly can't be used to tell you the bandwidth of a connection. Even traceroute packet loss doesn't necessarily indicate a problem, since the lower priority of the ICMP or UDP traceroute packets means they might get dropped intentionally if the router is busy processing real traffic. If you really want to test the performance of your connection, you need two well-defined endpoints, such as your PC and a server at your ISP, both running software designed for this purpose. Common software used for performance testing is ttcp, netperf, iperf. Here is some more useful information about the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_test

June 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by J.R. Mauro

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM, E Johnson<iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to > traceroute? Traceroute-nanog. It may be hard to find the original source. Try looking for the debian package online, and on the right hand side of the website, there should be a source tarball. I tried finding the "aces.com" site where it's supposed to be available, but no such luck. I imaging the debian way is the way to go. > Man page for traceroute doesn't seem to have that option. > > Or is there a similar traceroute-type app that does incorporate this > function? > > I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network > traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a > printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time > when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be > effectively convincing to them. We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, > and quite often, we're not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm > running here. Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big > right close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only > going from here to Cambridge. > > I did install a couple of other traceroute-type apps (such as tcptraceroute) > but their man pages didn't seem to show this capability either. I liked > tcptraceroute because it has a "don't fragment" option. Would like to > time/date-stamp that. > > Thanks, > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 6, 2009

Time and Date Stamp on Traceroute?

by E Johnson

Does anyone know a quick command I can use to add a time and date stamp to traceroute? Man page for traceroute doesn't seem to have that option. Or is there a similar traceroute-type app that does incorporate this function? I need a quick app (nothing that generates a significant amount of network traffic) --where I can enter one command in terminal which will display a printout of a traceroute, to show the ISP or to show the tech in real-time when he comes out. The one I send the ISP needs the time/date in order to be effectively convincing to them. We're supposed to get 20,000 kb/s (up) here, and quite often, we're not, even with very low internet use in the PCs I'm running here. Even the download speed's choking... seems like something big right close is often are clogging the pipe. Traceroute I'm doing is only going from here to Cambridge. I did install a couple of other traceroute-type apps (such as tcptraceroute) but their man pages didn't seem to show this capability either. I liked tcptraceroute because it has a "don't fragment" option. Would like to time/date-stamp that. Thanks, Liz J

June 6, 2009