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Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Tim Keller

Yeah, it probably would have saved me. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for > avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of > rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, > even if the update gets interrupted. > > https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ > https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ > > The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the > bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd > > In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the > rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. > > - Josh > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... >> >> On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > Chuck, >> > >> > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! >> > >> > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. >> > >> > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and >> rebooted >> > before fully updating the boot loader.. >> > >> > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. >> > >> > Tim. >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is >> > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second >> > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. >> > > >> > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, >> > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. >> > > >> > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was >> > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. >> > > >> > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Also >> > > >> > > > Hey Everybody, >> > > > >> > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! >> > > > Time: 7pm >> > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the >> > > stairs. >> > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo >> > > > >> > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. >> This >> > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as >> the >> > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. >> > > >> > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be >> > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it >> > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? >> > > Would you recomend it? >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> > > >> > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: >> > > > >> > > > Installing: >> > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 >> B >> > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 >> MiB >> > > >> > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement >> > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. >> > > >> > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2ADQF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Joshua Stone

I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, even if the update gets interrupted. https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. - Josh On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Chuck, > > > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and > rebooted > > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > > > Tim. > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > > ---- > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > > Time: 7pm > > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > > stairs. > > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. > This > > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as > the > > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > > Would you recomend it? > > > ---- > > > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > > > Installing: > > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 > B > > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 > MiB > > > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >

Jan. 10, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Chuck Anderson

Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Chuck, > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > ---- > > > > Also > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > Time: 7pm > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > stairs. > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > Would you recomend it? > > ---- > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > Installing: > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting?

Jan. 10, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Tim Keller

Chuck, That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted before fully updating the boot loader.. Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. Tim. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > ---- > > Also > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > Time: 7pm > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > stairs. > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > Would you recomend it? > ---- > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > Installing: > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WMLWN… >

Jan. 10, 2025

No wlug tonight.. next Thursday

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody.. Yeah.. what can I say, I was in Cali last week.. Wlug is going to be next Thursday. Sorry for all the confusion! Thanks, Tim.

Jan. 10, 2025

WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Keith Wright

I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. ---- Also > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the stairs. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? Would you recomend it? ---- Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > Installing: > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? -- Keith

Jan. 9, 2025

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Chuck Anderson

Tim, I fixed it for you. Gmail bounces emails it thinks are malicious. Indeed, someone sent a virus to the list. Only the moderators got the message because the list is moderated. But moderators who use gmail didn't get it because gmail "protected" them. On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 11:40:17AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Keith, > > The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The email in > essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from the wlug mailing > list due to excessive number of bounces." > Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. > > Very weird. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended > > from the > > > mailing list because of too many bounces? > > > > ???? Message from who? Who bounced what? ??? > > > > > In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to > > be an > > > exciting year for linux and for WLUG. > > > > It found me.

Dec. 27, 2024

Re: Happy Merry and a Very New Year

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The > email in essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from > the wlug mailing list due to excessive number of bounces." I maintain a couple of mailing lists for friends and family that have been much the same since the 20th century. I had to move them from a computer in my basement, to a VPS in the fog^H^H^H cloud when they took away my IP address, but it's still Postfix SMTP configured to forward without change. I have found the gmail.com can be erratic. Often it delays (defers) msgs without bouncing them. I only saw them bounce once--- no idea why. The error message rotates between three or four variants, sometimes different for re-tries of the same msg. Sometimes it goes through after a day or more. Once I canceled a message that was stuck in the queue for more than a day waiting for gmail.com, but a yahoo.com user got it and replied, quoting the entire first message. That quickly went through to all, including gmail, while the first one was still in the queue. I figured everyone had seen it, if only as quoted, and there was no reason to keep pushing it. I find this annoying. Maybe the WLUG server does too. > Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. Well, many of them are addresed to you in addition to WLUG. This one purposely is not. Check that the ones you get are forwarded through the list and not just sent directly to you. I get two copies of many messages To: WLUG and CC: me. Also check if there is a big difference betweeen the Date: on the msg and the time you get it. -- Keith

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Tim Keller

Keith, The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The email in essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from the wlug mailing list due to excessive number of bounces." Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. Very weird. Tim. On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended > from the > > mailing list because of too many bounces? > > ???? Message from who? Who bounced what? ??? > > > In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to > be an > > exciting year for linux and for WLUG. > > It found me. > > -- Keith > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Evan White

I got a confirmation email on the 24th and can confirm I'm getting new messages from the list. I regret missing the meeting on the 12th, looking back I was knee deep in Google Workspace scripting and got completely time warped. See you all at the next meeting! ERW ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2024 8:22 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Happy Whatever-mas! I hope everybody had a great [insert holiday appropriate for your specific belief system]! I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended from the mailing list because of too many bounces? In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to be an exciting year for linux and for WLUG. Stay safe everybody, and have a happy new year! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 26, 2024