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good article Q+A with Linus Torvalds

by Doug Mildram

doug> The joys of project management! About which I know very little. I only noticed this because the IEEE......... (which i joined for a short year, then they keep sending me weekly/monthly stuff for free on email, plus they keep begging me to re-join) sent me links to..... http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/linux-at-25-qa-with-linus-torva… doug> My favorite take-home (one comment/reply to the line below said: "everyone knows that!" ) Linux is a kernel, not an entire operating system. but in the article, Linus got quoted saying... If I had known what I know today when I started, I would never have had the chutzpah to start writing my own operating system: You need a certain amount of naïveté to think that you can do it.

March 31, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?

by Chuck Anderson

Windows NT/XP/7/8 had the POSIX subsystem and then the Interix subsystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interix But they deprecated it in Windows 8 and don't support it at all on Windows 10. It is interesting that they are bringing some type of *IX support back... On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 05:42:54PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally > incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that > someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. > > There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create > a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and > then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > > syscalls... > > > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > > it'll be running sshd. > > > > Tim.

March 31, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?

by Tim Keller

As one of my co-workers pointed out... the MS file model is fundamentally incompatible with the linux model. Try renaming a file in windows that someone else has open... try deleting a file someone has open. There are lots and lots of linux programs that do that last trick... create a temp file, open it and then delete it... use it for scratch space and then when they close it... *poof* it's gone. On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically > interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I > imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support > SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install > it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. > > On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that > it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 30, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?

by Dennis Payne

Interesting but I don't see much point. Yes it may be technically interesting but from an end user perspective why use this over cygwin. I imagine any graphical application won't work. If they did make it support SDL, gtk, etc., I'd be interested. Granted on a new machine I might install it instead of cygwin if it was easier to install. On Wed, 2016-03-30 at 15:49 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-u > serspace-for-windows-developers/ > > They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows > syscalls... > > Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. > > Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now > that it'll be running sshd. > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 30, 2016

Microsoft supporting linux userspace programs in windows 10?

by Tim Keller

https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/03/30/ubuntu-on-windows-the-ubuntu-userspa… They've written a wrapper that converts linux syscalls to windows syscalls... Native bash, rsync, etc... without cygwin. Well, this will make backing up my wife's machine a bit easier now that it'll be running sshd. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 30, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?

by Keith Wright

Chris <wolcen(a)riseup.net> writes: > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) Fine, thank you. -- Keith PS: I was there, at least on Saturday. Were you hiding, or do I not know what Chris looks like? Hint: the law of excluded middle is irrelevant, as is relevance logic. Answer: Give up? B the latter, and/or both/either A, the former, and/or B. PPS: I suppose I could Google what LOPSA stands for, but I don't care.

March 29, 2016

Next Meeting April 14th!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, The next meeting is going to be April 14th. I've put a couple of feelers out for speakers but nothing has solidified yet. If there's something people would like to talk about, I'd be game! Here are couple of topics that people might find interesting: Home security using Zone Alarm Hadoop FOSS Databases Let me know what you think. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 29, 2016

LOPSA-East '16 Early Bird Registration extended

by LOPSA-East '16

The “*please fasten you seatbelt sign*” is on and LOPSA-NJ is happy to announce that registration for the 2016 LOPSA-East conference is *OPEN*. Early Bird pricing is a great deal and will be available till March 25th. We have some great classes and talks this year and we hope you all can join us. There are many discounts that you can find out about at http://lopsaeast.org/2016/lopsa-east-costs/#dis Our Friday night Keynote will be Tanya Reilly who has been a Site Reliability Engineer at Google since 2005, working on low level infrastructure like distributed locking, load balancing, bootstrapping and monitoring systems. Before Google, she worked as a Systems Administrator at eircom.net, Ireland’s largest ISP, and before that she was the entire IT Department for a small software house. She likes writing Go, building Lego spaceships, and predicting how things will break.” “Does technical debt turn your small changes into minefields? Does your production environment expect perfect humans? This talk highlights tools, configuration and documentation that set us up for failure. It advocates for removing traps, so that you don’t have to waste brain cycles on remembering where they are. And it offers practical advice for sending your future self (and future coworkers!) gifts, instead of post mortems that just say “human error :-(”. Includes stories of preventable outages. Bring your schadenfreude.” We will be announcing some new great things going on later as the conference gets closer. One of the things that was brought up in the feed back from the past few years is a get together on Thursday night for those in the area or arriving early so we will be opening up the bag stuffing party to all. More details on this will be added to the website as the time gets closer. Friday night we will have the Birds-Of-a-Feathers again this year as well as a Cards Against Humanity game for anyone who wants to join and a few more fun things that make LOPSA-East different from other area conferences. We can’t wait to see you all in May at the LOPSA-East Conference. Remember to reserve your room at the Hyatt Regency New Brunswick at the group rate of $129 single/double plus tax. When the rooms in the LOPSA-East block are sold out, requests will be handled on a space-available basis at the hotel’s standard rate. Make your reservations early! To reserve your room on the web go to https://aws.passkey.com/g/51094713 If you have any questions or ideas you would like to ask or discuses please email me at wbilancio(a)lopsanj.org. <wbilancio(a)bilancio.org>

March 29, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Yes, that's what I was doing but after I chose this the Mint installer wasn't seeing any partitions. Removed GPT record with gdisk and that fixed it. On 03/25/2016 11:49 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think > you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive > and leave free space on the disk. > > The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk > partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by > hand. >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Finally. Success. It wasn't pretty and maybe I'm vulnerable to some particular types of threats but at least I have Windows and Linux installed and available. :-\ In order to get the installer to see the Windows partition I had to open a terminal and run gdisk to remove the GPT record from the disk and tell it to use MBR. I'm having an issue with the grub menu hanging when I toggle down. If I go very slow it doesn't hang. Hmmmm. On 03/25/2016 10:33 AM, Gary Hanley wrote: > Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. > Sorry. > > The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the > BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I > found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to > be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. > > So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. > I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm > working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. > It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... > > Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. > > > On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: >> Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side >> Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell >> Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace >> Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for >> Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power >> Gary> consumption. >> >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why >> I don't >> Gary> like to build these any more. >> >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, >> Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install >> Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for >> Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an >> Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, >> Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding >> Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup >> but I >> Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by John Stoffel

Gary> Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Gary> Sorry. Been there! :-) Gary> The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in Gary> the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. Gary> However, I found them this morning after I selected an option Gary> that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gary> Gigabyte. Gigabyte is usually a good bet, but I'm sure the crack monkeys who write the firmware and setup the menus weren't thinking well that day. Gary> So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods Gary> yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM Gary> but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Gary> Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Gary> Damn. Keep digging.... You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive and leave free space on the disk. The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by hand. Gary> Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. It is interestingm, though I suspect not directly applicable in this case. You're closer now, which is good! Gary> On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Gary> _______________________________________________ Gary> Wlug mailing list Gary> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Gary> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Yes, I have that disabled now. Windows installed first. On 03/25/2016 10:15 AM, Randall Mason wrote: > You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right > now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to > the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a > successful Linux install? > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com <mailto:clashthebunny@gmail.com> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org > <mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: > > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a > headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to > replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working > fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less > power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I > remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered > resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to > install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, > otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself > without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX > with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific > instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines > regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs > where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way > around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh > wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

That might be an option if I'm not able to get them installed the way I prefer. On 03/25/2016 10:10 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered > why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Sorry. The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Randall Mason

You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a successful Linux install? Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual > machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side >> Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell >> Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace >> Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for >> Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power >> Gary> consumption. >> >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I >> don't >> Gary> like to build these any more. >> >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, >> Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install >> Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for >> Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an >> Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, >> Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding >> Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I >> Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Richard Klein

Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual machine? On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I > don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by John Stoffel

Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no one will be able to help you. For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any problems on this board? I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke both I suspect. Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow non-signed keys to boot. Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org It might have some pointers. But please, more details would help us help you. John

March 25, 2016

UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power consumption. So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't like to build these any more. I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Intel I5 6400). So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I hope not. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Gary

March 24, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?

by Chris

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you, Frank! I knew it was someone at WPI, sorry for mis-appropriating credit for your share ;) On 2016-03-23 20:54, Frank Sweetser wrote: > You're thinking of lsyncd: > > https://github.com/axkibe/lsyncd > > It's essentially a daemon that watches one or more directories via > inotify, and fires of incremental rsync processes whenever it sees > writes go by (though you can specify filters rather than a simple bit > for bit copy). It's basically a poor man's userspace RAID1. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 3/23/2016 8:50 PM, Chris wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago >> (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). >> >> I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd >> replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting >> part, >> was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write >> to >> the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I >> don't >> think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient >> backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup >> written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). >> >> Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. >> --Chris >> >> PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>

March 24, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?

by Frank Sweetser

You're thinking of lsyncd: https://github.com/axkibe/lsyncd It's essentially a daemon that watches one or more directories via inotify, and fires of incremental rsync processes whenever it sees writes go by (though you can specify filters rather than a simple bit for bit copy). It's basically a poor man's userspace RAID1. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 3/23/2016 8:50 PM, Chris wrote: > Hi all, > > I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago > (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). > > I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd > replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting part, > was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write to > the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I don't > think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient > backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup > written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). > > Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 24, 2016

Block-level remote file sync?

by Chris

Hi all, I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting part, was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write to the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I don't think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any suggestions? Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. --Chris PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :)

March 24, 2016

Subject: New TV Suggestions

by Joel

Late to the party. Been that kind of busy week Replaced 36 inch tube with a 55 inch LCD around 4 years ago. Bought the best TV to match the imperfect eyeballs in our home. It's personal what we all see and how well. We went with Samsung UN55D7000. Amazon shipped new was best deal around then. Would do it again (that model and via Amazon). LCD gets fed signals by: Charter Cable Box with DVR Have extra info on DVR tricks via ESata if others have this setup. Samsung blu ray player about 4 years old (no WIFI, no apps) mostly used for redbox rentals. Denon AVR 2112ci receiver & speakers key here is HDMI and "ARC" so TV & receiver share volume and inputs. It is a video source too ksetup & stations) Recently OSMC distro to play KODI on a Raspberry Pi 3 - excellent for video unsure if it works for me with music (mp3 and streaming). Older Roku 2 (likely go to OSMC or Roku 4 soon) used for Intertube streaming of Netflix / Showtime /HBO / etc. It still works but now is *wonky* and needs power reboots every other day. Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 11:40:35 -0400 From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <CA+r3vQh7pQAb38LyQ+CQCoUW1Yu-AzLpfkzJGgpPR4+QcA=fow(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey Gang, After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. Now... what to replace it with? So far I'm looking at the Visio TVs, but I'd peoples like/hates with their current TV's etc. I like won't be using it as a monitor and will only be watching streaming stuff. I figure this is midly linux related because most modern TV's are running linux! Thanks, Tim.

March 16, 2016

Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?

by Chuck Anderson

Nice site! But Visio wasn't the recommended one for larger sizes, just "The Best TV Around $500" 43" model: "The 43-inch Vizio uses a VA-type LCD panel while some other displays (including the 49-inch M-series) use an IPS panel. While IPS panels offers wider viewing angles, making them good for a bar or restaurant, their black levels and contrast ratios are much worse. The VA-type LCD panel on our pick offers very good black levels. The local dimming features improve on that. So for most people, the sizes that use VA-type panels will look far better in your home, unless you usually watch from off to the side." Their "Best TV" was the Samsung JU7100 at $1598. They also review receivers and speakers... On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 05:18:27PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who recommend > the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... > > I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though > honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality > then on smartness. > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. > > > > Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to > > the basement now... > > > > Tim> Now... what to replace it with? > > > > What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or > > DVD, but anything else? > > > > Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since > > they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when > > the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating > > the Netflix plugin, etc. > > > > I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto > > a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big > > thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type > > of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so > > that the sucker doesn't screw you over.

March 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?

by Clint Moyer

There's pretty much no such thing as a "dumb" TV in today's consumer market. If you find one, it'll be an off brand. I bought the Vizio M55 last month and like it. It's GUI is simpler and thus less cumbersome than the Samsung TV we have. It's also 4K if that matters to you. On March 14, 2016 5:18:27 PM EDT, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who >recommend >the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... > >I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though >honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality >then on smartness. > >On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. >> >> Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to >> the basement now... >> >> Tim> Now... what to replace it with? >> >> What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or >> DVD, but anything else? >> >> Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since >> they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when >> the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating >> the Netflix plugin, etc. >> >> I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked >upto >> a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big >> thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type >> of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so >> that the sucker doesn't screw you over. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] New TV Suggestions?

by Tim Keller

The site my cohorts keep pointing me at is the wirecutters... who recommend the Visio M##-C1 where ## is 43,49,50,55,60... I've also heard of people who are quite happy with Samsung TV's though honestly I have a Roku so I'd rather spend the money on picture quality then on smartness. On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Tim> After 17 years, my venerable 27" Panasonic tube TV finally died. > > Heh... my 32" JVC tube is still going strong... though relegated to > the basement now... > > Tim> Now... what to replace it with? > > What devices do you have hooked up to your TV? I assume blueRay or > DVD, but anything else? > > Personally, I'd probably skip or not use any of the smart TVs since > they seem to get hacked or broken after a few short years, esp when > the vendor turns off the website supporting them. Or stops updating > the Netflix plugin, etc. > > I've got a Sony 42" LCD from 2007 which is working great. Hooked upto > a Tivo and DVD player. So for me, getting more inputs would be a big > thing, so then I could try running a ChromeCast or someth other type > of system on a stick. Basically, keep the TV as dumb as possible, so > that the sucker doesn't screw you over. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 14, 2016