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Reminder! Meeting tonight!! Topic: SilverBlue Atomic install

by Tim Keller

Time: 7PM Date: January 16th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do people play games, etc.. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2025

Re: Next Meeting January 16th, 2025 Topic: SilverBlue Atomic / Win10 EOL and what that means for us.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Thursday we'll have our first meeting of 2025! I think I'll be missing this meeting unfortunately. But I just got my JetKVM recently and I'll be bringing it to the February meeting to show it off. It's running embedded linux and does a pretty nice job! I'm happy with it so far. John > Time: 7PM > Date: January 16th, 2025 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all > means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to > create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. > Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've > had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who > advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do > people play games, etc.. > As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/V43YG…

Jan. 15, 2025

Next Meeting January 16th, 2025 Topic: SilverBlue Atomic / Win10 EOL and what that means for us.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! On Thursday we'll have our first meeting of 2025! Time: 7PM Date: January 16th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do people play games, etc.. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: This looks really interesting, and especially these days with lots of available disk space, having two boot partitions so you can update B while booted off A, and then try to boot from B, but failback if there's a problem. My only problem with Fedora is that I'm a debian packaging kinda guy.... LOL! > Yeah, it probably would have saved me. > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for avoiding situations like > this. The image-based OS update model of rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the > OS in a broken state, even if the update gets interrupted. > https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ > https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ > The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the bootloader gets > updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd > In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the rock-solid reliability > that LTS distros are typically associated with. > - Josh > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! >> >> Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. >> >> Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted >> before fully updating the boot loader.. >> >> Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is >> > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second >> > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. >> > >> > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, >> > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. >> > >> > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was >> > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. >> > >> > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. >> > ---- >> > >> > Also >> > >> > > Hey Everybody, >> > > >> > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! >> > > Time: 7pm >> > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the >> > stairs. >> > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo >> > > >> > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This >> > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the >> > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. >> > >> > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be >> > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it >> > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? >> > Would you recomend it? >> > ---- >> > >> > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> > >> > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: >> > > >> > > Installing: >> > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B >> > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB >> > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB >> > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB >> > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB >> > >> > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement >> > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. >> > >> > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2ADQF… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5CIRD…

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Tim Keller

Yeah, it probably would have saved me. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for > avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of > rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, > even if the update gets interrupted. > > https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ > https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ > > The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the > bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd > > In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the > rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. > > - Josh > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... >> >> On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > Chuck, >> > >> > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! >> > >> > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. >> > >> > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and >> rebooted >> > before fully updating the boot loader.. >> > >> > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. >> > >> > Tim. >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is >> > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second >> > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. >> > > >> > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, >> > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. >> > > >> > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was >> > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. >> > > >> > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Also >> > > >> > > > Hey Everybody, >> > > > >> > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! >> > > > Time: 7pm >> > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the >> > > stairs. >> > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo >> > > > >> > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. >> This >> > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as >> the >> > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. >> > > >> > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be >> > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it >> > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? >> > > Would you recomend it? >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> > > >> > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: >> > > > >> > > > Installing: >> > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 >> B >> > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 >> MiB >> > > >> > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement >> > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. >> > > >> > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2ADQF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Joshua Stone

I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, even if the update gets interrupted. https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. - Josh On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Chuck, > > > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and > rebooted > > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > > > Tim. > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > > ---- > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > > Time: 7pm > > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > > stairs. > > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. > This > > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as > the > > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > > Would you recomend it? > > > ---- > > > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > > > Installing: > > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 > B > > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 > MiB > > > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >

Jan. 10, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Chuck Anderson

Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Chuck, > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > ---- > > > > Also > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > Time: 7pm > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > stairs. > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > Would you recomend it? > > ---- > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > Installing: > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting?

Jan. 10, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Tim Keller

Chuck, That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted before fully updating the boot loader.. Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. Tim. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > ---- > > Also > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > Time: 7pm > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > stairs. > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > Would you recomend it? > ---- > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > Installing: > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WMLWN… >

Jan. 10, 2025

No wlug tonight.. next Thursday

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody.. Yeah.. what can I say, I was in Cali last week.. Wlug is going to be next Thursday. Sorry for all the confusion! Thanks, Tim.

Jan. 10, 2025

WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Keith Wright

I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. ---- Also > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the stairs. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? Would you recomend it? ---- Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > Installing: > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? -- Keith

Jan. 9, 2025

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Chuck Anderson

Tim, I fixed it for you. Gmail bounces emails it thinks are malicious. Indeed, someone sent a virus to the list. Only the moderators got the message because the list is moderated. But moderators who use gmail didn't get it because gmail "protected" them. On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 11:40:17AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Keith, > > The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The email in > essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from the wlug mailing > list due to excessive number of bounces." > Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. > > Very weird. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended > > from the > > > mailing list because of too many bounces? > > > > ???? Message from who? Who bounced what? ??? > > > > > In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to > > be an > > > exciting year for linux and for WLUG. > > > > It found me.

Dec. 27, 2024

Re: Happy Merry and a Very New Year

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The > email in essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from > the wlug mailing list due to excessive number of bounces." I maintain a couple of mailing lists for friends and family that have been much the same since the 20th century. I had to move them from a computer in my basement, to a VPS in the fog^H^H^H cloud when they took away my IP address, but it's still Postfix SMTP configured to forward without change. I have found the gmail.com can be erratic. Often it delays (defers) msgs without bouncing them. I only saw them bounce once--- no idea why. The error message rotates between three or four variants, sometimes different for re-tries of the same msg. Sometimes it goes through after a day or more. Once I canceled a message that was stuck in the queue for more than a day waiting for gmail.com, but a yahoo.com user got it and replied, quoting the entire first message. That quickly went through to all, including gmail, while the first one was still in the queue. I figured everyone had seen it, if only as quoted, and there was no reason to keep pushing it. I find this annoying. Maybe the WLUG server does too. > Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. Well, many of them are addresed to you in addition to WLUG. This one purposely is not. Check that the ones you get are forwarded through the list and not just sent directly to you. I get two copies of many messages To: WLUG and CC: me. Also check if there is a big difference betweeen the Date: on the msg and the time you get it. -- Keith

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Tim Keller

Keith, The message was from the software that hosts the mailing list. The email in essence said, "you will no longer be receiving emails from the wlug mailing list due to excessive number of bounces." Clearly, that message was in error.. since I'm getting them just fine. Very weird. Tim. On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 9:17 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended > from the > > mailing list because of too many bounces? > > ???? Message from who? Who bounced what? ??? > > > In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to > be an > > exciting year for linux and for WLUG. > > It found me. > > -- Keith > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Evan White

I got a confirmation email on the 24th and can confirm I'm getting new messages from the list. I regret missing the meeting on the 12th, looking back I was knee deep in Google Workspace scripting and got completely time warped. See you all at the next meeting! ERW ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2024 8:22 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Happy Whatever-mas! I hope everybody had a great [insert holiday appropriate for your specific belief system]! I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended from the mailing list because of too many bounces? In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to be an exciting year for linux and for WLUG. Stay safe everybody, and have a happy new year! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Happy Whatever-mas!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended from the > mailing list because of too many bounces? ???? Message from who? Who bounced what? ??? > In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to be an > exciting year for linux and for WLUG. It found me. -- Keith

Dec. 26, 2024

Happy Whatever-mas!

by Tim Keller

I hope everybody had a great [insert holiday appropriate for your specific belief system]! I weirdly got a message telling me that my account had been suspended from the mailing list because of too many bounces? In any case, I hope this message finds everybody. Next year is going to be an exciting year for linux and for WLUG. Stay safe everybody, and have a happy new year! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 26, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting TONIGHT! Topic: Linux Kernel 6.12.x!

by Tim Keller

Very cool! The meeting went great. I ended up doing an inadvertent demo of the kernel when I had jitsi going, a compile on 2 of my 4 cores, plus running cad and my machine just kept on chugging. Technocopia was having a holiday party so we had lots of people wander in as well. All in all, it was great. Tim. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024, 10:22 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > How was the meeting? > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > Installing: > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 > updates 0.0 B > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 > updates 73.6 MiB > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 > updates 62.5 MiB > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 > updates 37.1 MiB > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 > updates 2.7 MiB > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 04:31:35PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > > > We've got a meeting tonight! The topic is going to be the latest linux > > kernel. > > I'm going to go into why I decided to make the leap and why it might work > > for you too! > > I'll get into what it took for me to build it and some of the nifty > > innovations it brings to the table! > > > > Date: December 12th, 2024 > > Time: 7pm > > Location: 44 Portland Street, Worcester MA. > > The virtual location is here: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UEUA7… >

Dec. 17, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting TONIGHT! Topic: Linux Kernel 6.12.x!

by Chuck Anderson

How was the meeting? I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: Installing: kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 04:31:35PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting tonight! The topic is going to be the latest linux > kernel. > I'm going to go into why I decided to make the leap and why it might work > for you too! > I'll get into what it took for me to build it and some of the nifty > innovations it brings to the table! > > Date: December 12th, 2024 > Time: 7pm > Location: 44 Portland Street, Worcester MA. > The virtual location is here: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Thanks, > Tim.

Dec. 16, 2024

Reminder: WLUG Meeting TONIGHT! Topic: Linux Kernel 6.12.x!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tonight! The topic is going to be the latest linux kernel. I'm going to go into why I decided to make the leap and why it might work for you too! I'll get into what it took for me to build it and some of the nifty innovations it brings to the table! Date: December 12th, 2024 Time: 7pm Location: 44 Portland Street, Worcester MA. The virtual location is here: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 12, 2024

Re: Seeking Linux Help

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "gmcaplan---" == gmcaplan--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Seeking help. > I need help repairing my Ubuntu computer. happy to try! > A. Can anybody lend me a boot repair flash drive or CD and/or one with Ubuntu 20 or later. Do you have any other computers? And a USB flash drive which is empty? Then you could just download the basic Ubuntu ISO and put it on the flash drive and boot from there. > B. Provide me some advice how to proceed. Can boot older version > (16) of Ubuntu but not ver. 20. So you're dual booting? If you can boot Ubuntu 16, then you should be able to download the install ISO for 20 and copy that using 'dd' to the thumb drive. Or download an install 'ventoy' onto a thumbdrive, so you can have multiple different ISOs on one thumb drive and boot from which ever one you want. > Error msg: ... not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown > block(0,0) I will greatly appreciate any help. This sounds like your Ubuntu 20.x install went south. Was this a new install or your current system? Did you apply any updates before this problem came up? So I think what you want to do is boot an Ubunto 20.04 or 20.10 ISO, and then go into 'rescue' mode or shell mode. I honestly forget. But the idea is to then get into your setup, chroot to your old non-booting setup and re-run the 'update-grub' or 'update-initramfs' tools to rebuild your setup. But we do need more details. Would it be possible for you to bring the computer to a WLUG meeting? People would be able to help you there more quickly than over email. I might or might not be there tonight, and I'm busy all weekend with other stuff. > George Caplan > Acton, MA > email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org > Phone: 978-263-5288 (landline, no texts) > On 2024-12-10 5:57 am, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Good, you passed the test! > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, 9:57 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! >> Time: 7PM >> Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" > Wow! You scared me. WLUG on Christmas Eve! > No. > Some people like to put the year first, some last, > but you only get one choice: "20241212" > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E7F4V… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BZG2X…

Dec. 12, 2024

Seeking Linux Help

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Seeking help. I need help repairing my Ubuntu computer. A. Can anybody lend me a boot repair flash drive or CD and/or one with Ubuntu 20 or later. B. Provide me some advice how to proceed. Can boot older version (16) of Ubuntu but not ver. 20. Error msg: ... not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) I will greatly appreciate any help. Thank you. George Caplan Acton, MA email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org Phone: 978-263-5288 (landline, no texts) On 2024-12-10 5:57 am, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Good, you passed the test! > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, 9:57 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >>> We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! >>> Time: 7PM >>> Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" >> >> Wow! You scared me. WLUG on Christmas Eve! >> >> No. >> >> Some people like to put the year first, some last, >> but you only get one choice: "20241212" >> >> -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E7F4V…

Dec. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday Dec 12th, 2024! Topic: Running kernel 6.12.x

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

I will try to attend the virtual meeting. George Caplan On 2024-12-09 8:35 pm, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! > Time: 7PM > Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" > Location: 44 Portland St, Worcester Ma -> Technocopia > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Linux Kernel 6.12.x (x = 4 as of this writing!) > > I've been running the latest linux kernel!! Building it on a bunch of > different distros! > I'll get into why it's a leap forward, and how you can get it running > on your hardware as well! > I'm sure like usual we'll digress into a bunch of side topics, you know > us! > > Afterwards, we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! > > I hope to see you there! > Later, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NLNIU…

Dec. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday Dec 12th, 2024! Topic: Running kernel 6.12.x

by Tim Keller

Good, you passed the test! On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, 9:57 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! > > Time: 7PM > > Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" > > Wow! You scared me. WLUG on Christmas Eve! > > No. > > Some people like to put the year first, some last, > but you only get one choice: "20241212" > > -- Keith >

Dec. 10, 2024

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday Dec 12th, 2024! Topic: Running kernel 6.12.x

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! > Time: 7PM > Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" Wow! You scared me. WLUG on Christmas Eve! No. Some people like to put the year first, some last, but you only get one choice: "20241212" -- Keith

Dec. 10, 2024

Reminder! WLUG Meeting THIS Thursday Dec 12th, 2024! Topic: Running kernel 6.12.x

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this Thursday at Technocopia in Worcester! Time: 7PM Date: Dec 12th, 2024 "20241224" Location: 44 Portland St, Worcester Ma -> Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Linux Kernel 6.12.x (x = 4 as of this writing!) I've been running the latest linux kernel!! Building it on a bunch of different distros! I'll get into why it's a leap forward, and how you can get it running on your hardware as well! I'm sure like usual we'll digress into a bunch of side topics, you know us! Afterwards, we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! I hope to see you there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2024