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Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by THE HAMMER

I have been using Thunderbird. I did not use PGP. I've found that it will lock up from time to time here also. By lock up, I mean the operation (which I think is usually sending mail) just continuously runs where I've wound up closing down the program. I can also say that last time this happened, I just let it sit and it eventually ran to completion. I'll try to be more observant of any future quirks. ________________________________ From: Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name<http://www.ssgreenberg.name> Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

On 1/30/2020 3:33 PM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g.. > > Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. > > I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. > How do you change the number of processes in Thunderbird. I cannot find anything in the Tools>Options, and I find nothing on the internet. Previosly I did find this on the internet Making Thunderbird Fly Faster Our hires are already addressing technical debt and doing a fair bit of plumbing when it comes to Thunderbird’s codebase. Our new hires will also be addressing UI-slowness and general performance issues across the application. This is an area where I think we will see some of the best improvements in Thunderbird for 2019, as we look into methods for testing and measuring slowness – and then put our engineers on architecting solutions to these pain points. Beyond that, we will be looking into leveraging new, faster technologies in rewriting parts of Thunderbird as well as working toward a multi-process Thunderbird. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by kevin.paetzold

In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g..Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. -------- Original message --------From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: 1/30/20 14:49 (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, steve(a)ssgreenberg.name, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:> I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or> so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do> something that I cannot detect with a process monitor.>> I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute.> Anybody have any suggestions?I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor".If you have some cute GUI thing installed, thatmight be part of the problem.If you mean you can not pull up a shell;ps ax; and kill it, then either you havebad hardware, or an OS bug, or you shouldlearn to do that. -- KeithPS: I told you what I do, but I did notrecommend it. I have an attitude problem._______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or > so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do > something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. > > I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. > Anybody have any suggestions? I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor". If you have some cute GUI thing installed, that might be part of the problem. If you mean you can not pull up a shell; ps ax; and kill it, then either you have bad hardware, or an OS bug, or you should learn to do that. -- Keith PS: I told you what I do, but I did not recommend it. I have an attitude problem.

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Eismeier

notmuch "Anderson, Charles R via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Mutt. > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" >> >> Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >> install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. >> >> What are people using for mail clients on linux? >> >> Later, >> Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org -- John 508.735.3640

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Andy Stewart

On 1/28/20 10:14 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. I have been quite happy with Thunderbird for a long time. I use it at home and at work (talking to a M$ email server). Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steve Revilak

>Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > >Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > >What are people using for mail clients on linux? It's been a while since I've used it, but I remember Mailvelope doing a reasonably good job at integrating pgp with webmail. https://www.mailvelope.com/en It's a browser extension, with a javascript implementation of pgp. Personally, I prefer mutt http://mutt.org/ Steve

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Voorhis, Michael C

Thunderbird or Emacs-VM... On 1/28/20 8:55 PM, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > Mutt.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Anderson, Charles R

Mutt. On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > What are people using for mail clients on linux? I use emacs in rmail mode. I have a gmail account with address I have never told anyone (tho a couple of people have found it using gmail's spy features). I use the gmail address to send mail to myself, for testing. I run Postfix smtp server on the firewall/server/router Linux machine in my basement. Software, hardware, cables, attitude ... everything is decades obsolete and held together by cobwebs. But it does what the RFC says it MUST. -- Keith

Jan. 28, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Joshua Stone

I've had good luck with Evolution as it's the default mail client on Fedora and supports many features like calendering and GPG signing (previously used Thunderbird with the Enigmail extension for GPG). I haven't used Gmail's webmail in years because almost any native client will blow it out of the water in terms of speed, resilience against internet outages, and support for niche features. -Josh On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:15 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email > flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want > to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 28, 2020

Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Tim Keller

Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. What are people using for mail clients on linux? Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 28, 2020

Future Meeting idea...Zombie Load Attack

by Tim Keller

I saw that one of the researchers for the https://zombieloadattack.com/ Zombie Load attack is working on a Ph.d at WPI! Would this be something that people might be interested in? If so I'll reach out and see if he'd like to give a talk at WLUG. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

It never ends...

by Tim Keller

https://zombieloadattack.com/ -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by John Stoffel

Tim> The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it Tim> harder for others to spoof your email address. Yes. I understand that aspect. Iwas (poorly) talking more to the usability aspects of PGP signing emails. The tools make it hard and annoying from what I see. Tim> If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of my key is a place Tim> where your email client can access it, your email client can validate that the email originated Tim> from me. John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. Tim> Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from Tim> a public list and then used to spam lots of people... Well, my personal email is from a server I control with SPF setup properly, so it's harder to fake stuff from em without it automatically getting binned as spam. Which is a good thing. It's not perfect of course...

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Keysigning party?

by Anderson, Charles R

It's also used heavily in FOSS development to verify authenticity of developer communications. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 02:38:47PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it harder for > others to spoof your email address. > > If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of > my key is a place where your email client can access it, your email client > can validate that the email originated from me. > > John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. > > Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from a public > list and then used to spam lots of people... > > Tim. > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > > Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with > > Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to > > Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you > > Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > > > All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the > > PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a > > good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested > > in joining for this talk?) would be nice. > > > > I've never found a personal need for this myself.

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by Tim Keller

The argument for pgp signing your emails is that it makes it harder for others to spoof your email address. If I send you an email signed with my private key and the public version of my key is a place where your email client can access it, your email client can validate that the email originated from me. John> I've never found a personal need for this myself. Lucky you that you've never had your email address harvested from a public list and then used to spam lots of people... Tim. On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:30 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with > Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to > Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you > Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the > PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a > good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested > in joining for this talk?) would be nice. > > I've never found a personal need for this myself. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by John Stoffel

Tim> I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! Very neat! Should be emminently hackable at some point. Can you post more details? What sort of interface does it have? Tim> I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to Tim> start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! Tim> Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! Very cool. Please don't have a meeting 17-21 of Feb week... that's school vacation week!

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with Tim> doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to Tim> actually use the PGP key you've now created... How do you Tim> integrate your key into gmail / etc. All I've ever heard about PGP signing emails is "Don't", even from the PGP creator, supposedly. But maybe I'm wrong and someone giving a good presentation (any CS classes on security who would be interested in joining for this talk?) would be nice. I've never found a personal need for this myself.

Jan. 27, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: Keysigning party?

by Anderson, Charles R

Right, you have to create your key and submit it to the organizers BEFORE the actual keysigning meeting, so that at the keysigning other people will have a copy of your public key fingerprint to compare with the copy of your key that they later download or get emailed to them. So we should have a PGP meeting first, then a keysigning party the next month or whatever. Here's my ancient slides on the topic, but if someone else wants to update this, feel free: http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/ Using "caff" is a good idea: https://wiki.debian.org/caff https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeySigningParty On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:08:03AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Ian, > > That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with doing the > Keysigning should be a presentation on how to *actually* use the PGP key > you've now created... > How do you integrate your key into gmail / etc. > > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:29 AM Gelman, Ian S. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I keep noticing several encrypted emails flying back and forth on the WLUG > > listserv. It occurred to me that we haven't done a PGP keysigning party in > > a couple of years - maybe we're due for another? It could also be a way to > > introduce some new student members to the group.

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Tim Keller

I recently did up a pretty shitty WLUG icon tile for the meetup group. I thought that would look pretty cool on a T-shirt. https://imgur.com/a/1CmyhDG If people have better ideas I'll take them! On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If successful, a tux penguin > polo could be "Geek Chic". > > Tag line could be, swim like a bird! > > Joel > > > > On January 24, 2020 12:03:11 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! >> >> I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start >> putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! >> >> Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Joel

If successful, a tux penguin polo could be "Geek Chic". Tag line could be, swim like a bird! Joel On January 24, 2020 12:03:11 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! > > I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! > > Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 24, 2020

Different topic... Embroidered T-shirts!

by Tim Keller

I've come into possession of a brother embroidery machine! I'd like to get it working with linux, but I'll just be happy to start putting WLUG and the tux penguin on a polo shirt! Hopefully for the Feb. meeting I'll have something! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020

Re: Keysigning party?

by Tim Keller

Ian, That would be a fantastic idea. I think part and parcel with doing the Keysigning should be a presentation on how to *actually* use the PGP key you've now created... How do you integrate your key into gmail / etc. Tim. On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 8:29 AM Gelman, Ian S. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I keep noticing several encrypted emails flying back and forth on the WLUG > listserv. It occurred to me that we haven't done a PGP keysigning party in > a couple of years - maybe we're due for another? It could also be a way to > introduce some new student members to the group. > > Ian (from mobile device) > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 24, 2020