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Re: [EXT] Re: sorry about the spam

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 01:50:00PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue > > and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages. > > I think I counted 14 in a few minutes. > > Thank you for your work. I'm glad to know > that someone knows why it happened, and that > it is not just another "new normal". Phew. 1900 messages deleted. Also check out the new list footer:

Feb. 10, 2020

sorry about the spam

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages.

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: sorry about the spam

by Keith Wright

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Sorry about the spam. I'm cleaning up spam from the moderator's queue > and accidently accepted a 8 or 12 messages. I think I counted 14 in a few minutes. Thank you for your work. I'm glad to know that someone knows why it happened, and that it is not just another "new normal". -- Keith

Feb. 10, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: GRUB failure

by Michael Voorhis

Tell us more about this dead SSD. Who made it? How old was it? What sort of load did you put on it? --MCV. On 2/9/20 3:24 PM, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > Well, the installer can't partition or write to the SSD, so I guess > it really is dead.

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: GRUB failure

by rich＠richardklein.org

Well, the installer can't partition or write to the SSD, so I guess it really is dead. Should I write a new MBR to the spinning disk that has Windows installed so I can boot to it without having the SSD installed?

Feb. 9, 2020

GRUB failure

by Richard Klein

The other day, my computer crashed to a blank, black screen. On reboot, my BIOS didn't see the SSD that held my OS. I tried swapping the SSD onto different cables and different motherboard connectors. When I started the computer back up, it saw the SSD, but gave me a GRUB rescue prompt. On the next reboot, the BIOS again didn't see the SSD. That's repeatable: warm boots make the SSD disappear; it re-appears on cold boots, but dumps me to the GRUB rescue prompt. I figured the SSD has died and I already requested an RMA, but I can't boot to my Windows drive if I remove the SSD, so maybe it's not actually dead. I don't have the patience to troubleshoot from the GRUB rescue prompt and I wasn't thrilled with Manjaro, so I'm going to try to install good, old Debian to the SSD while I wait to hear back about an RMA. -- Rich

Feb. 9, 2020

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Week! Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, This is my usual reminder that we've got a meeting next week. Here's the details... Date & Time: February 13th, 2020 @ 7PM Location: WPI Campus Center Room 304 (Peterson Conference Room) Presenter: Joshua Stone Topic: Modernizing the Linux Desktop with Silver/Blue, Toolbox and Flatpak Our speaker this month is Joshua Stone. He's going to giving a talk about a couple of cool technologies in Fedora! Josh provided me some details about these innovations so I've mashed them up and included them below. Silverblue: https://fedoramagazine.org/what-is-silverblue/ Toolbox: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolbox/ Flatpaks: https://flatpak.org/ *Silverblue* s a Fedora variant designed around immutability where a new system image is committed as the new /sysroot without affecting the state of the running system. This is reminiscent of Android A/B updates, although the update backend -- ostree -- has elements of a version control system like git. *Toolbox* is also interesting as it lets you switch into an unprivileged development environment that can be built up and torn down without affecting the host as tools are installed inside a container. *Flatpak* uses the same file storage backend as Silverblue to manage apps and shared runtimes. This app distribution technology allows you to decouple apps and operating systems as everything is built and run inside a sandbox, making upgrades easier. Compare needing only one version of an app to package as a flatpak, versus packaging for different versions. As usual, snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off for dinner to continue the conversation. Thanks, Tim Keller WLUG President -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Jeff Moyer

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? gnus. It handles high traffic mailing lists well, and is very configurable. -Jeff

Feb. 5, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: VM is a mail mode for emacs, and I've been using it for years and years. Unfortunately development is basically dead because I will never be able to learn elisp to actually contribute to the project. https://launchpad.net/vm Is where you can get it from. Use the 8.2.0b version. I can give you hints on setting it up with an IMAP server as well. It's not too bad really. Keith> John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. >> >> Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). Keith> What is that? >> Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! Keith> That seems to be saying that 'vm' is an emacs mode. Keith> The usual help function does not tell me anything Keith> about it. Do I need a newer version of emacs, Keith> or is it a totally separate program? Keith> I'm not likely to quit using emacs, but I might Keith> switch minor modes. Keith> -- Keith

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. > > Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). What is that? > Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! That seems to be saying that 'vm' is an emacs mode. The usual help function does not tell me anything about it. Do I need a newer version of emacs, or is it a totally separate program? I'm not likely to quit using emacs, but I might switch minor modes. -- Keith

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Keith> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> What are people using for mail clients on linux? Keith> I use emacs in rmail mode. Wow! I used rmail years ago, before I switched to 'vm' (view-mail). Glad to know I'm not the only die hard emacs mail reading guy! Keith> I have a gmail account with address I have Keith> never told anyone (tho a couple of people Keith> have found it using gmail's spy features). Keith> I use the gmail address to send mail to Keith> myself, for testing. I run Postfix smtp server Keith> on the firewall/server/router Linux machine Keith> in my basement. Keith> Software, hardware, cables, attitude ... everything Keith> is decades obsolete and held together by cobwebs. Keith> But it does what the RFC says it MUST. Keith> -- Keith Keith> _______________________________________________ Keith> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Keith> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" Tim> Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to install a 3rd party Tim> add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. Tim> What are people using for mail clients on linux? view-mail in emacs. Been 20+ years now... it handles IMAP just fine, though slowly. Going to move to mutt one day, but not yet.

Feb. 3, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by THE HAMMER

I have been using Thunderbird. I did not use PGP. I've found that it will lock up from time to time here also. By lock up, I mean the operation (which I think is usually sending mail) just continuously runs where I've wound up closing down the program. I can also say that last time this happened, I just let it sit and it eventually ran to completion. I'll try to be more observant of any future quirks. ________________________________ From: Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 12:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name<http://www.ssgreenberg.name> Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

On 1/30/2020 3:33 PM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g.. > > Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. > > I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. > How do you change the number of processes in Thunderbird. I cannot find anything in the Tools>Options, and I find nothing on the internet. Previosly I did find this on the internet Making Thunderbird Fly Faster Our hires are already addressing technical debt and doing a fair bit of plumbing when it comes to Thunderbird’s codebase. Our new hires will also be addressing UI-slowness and general performance issues across the application. This is an area where I think we will see some of the best improvements in Thunderbird for 2019, as we look into methods for testing and measuring slowness – and then put our engineers on architecting solutions to these pain points. Beyond that, we will be looking into leveraging new, faster technologies in rewriting parts of Thunderbird as well as working toward a multi-process Thunderbird. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 31, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by kevin.paetzold

In the last year or so Thunderbird has decided to use many more processes to do its thing and it seems to use more memory than it used to. That makes it seem to lock up and /or makes the machine swap on a machine with 2g..Number of processes it can use is a setting you can change. I was not reading the email clients discussion closely. I use Thunderbird. I don't know if anybody mentioned Claws. Either it or Evolution would probably be my second choice. -------- Original message --------From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: 1/30/20 14:49 (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, steve(a)ssgreenberg.name, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days? Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:> I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or> so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do> something that I cannot detect with a process monitor.>> I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute.> Anybody have any suggestions?I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor".If you have some cute GUI thing installed, thatmight be part of the problem.If you mean you can not pull up a shell;ps ax; and kill it, then either you havebad hardware, or an OS bug, or you shouldlearn to do that. -- KeithPS: I told you what I do, but I did notrecommend it. I have an attitude problem._______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Steven Greenberg via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or > so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do > something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. > > I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. > Anybody have any suggestions? I am not sure what you mean by "process monitor". If you have some cute GUI thing installed, that might be part of the problem. If you mean you can not pull up a shell; ps ax; and kill it, then either you have bad hardware, or an OS bug, or you should learn to do that. -- Keith PS: I told you what I do, but I did not recommend it. I have an attitude problem.

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steven Greenberg

I am using Thinderbird (and have for years). In the last year or so, it tends to lockup my computer while it goes off to do something that I cannot detect with a process monitor. I have tried about everything including looking for a substitute. Anybody have any suggestions? /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by John Eismeier

notmuch "Anderson, Charles R via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Mutt. > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" >> >> Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >> install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. >> >> What are people using for mail clients on linux? >> >> Later, >> Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org -- John 508.735.3640

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Andy Stewart

On 1/28/20 10:14 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. I have been quite happy with Thunderbird for a long time. I use it at home and at work (talking to a M$ email server). Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Vice President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group

Jan. 30, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Steve Revilak

>Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > >Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to >install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > >What are people using for mail clients on linux? It's been a while since I've used it, but I remember Mailvelope doing a reasonably good job at integrating pgp with webmail. https://www.mailvelope.com/en It's a browser extension, with a javascript implementation of pgp. Personally, I prefer mutt http://mutt.org/ Steve

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Voorhis, Michael C

Thunderbird or Emacs-VM... On 1/28/20 8:55 PM, Anderson, Charles R via WLUG wrote: > Mutt.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: [EXT] Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Anderson, Charles R

Mutt. On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:14:43AM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to > install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim.

Jan. 29, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > What are people using for mail clients on linux? I use emacs in rmail mode. I have a gmail account with address I have never told anyone (tho a couple of people have found it using gmail's spy features). I use the gmail address to send mail to myself, for testing. I run Postfix smtp server on the firewall/server/router Linux machine in my basement. Software, hardware, cables, attitude ... everything is decades obsolete and held together by cobwebs. But it does what the RFC says it MUST. -- Keith

Jan. 28, 2020

Re: Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Joshua Stone

I've had good luck with Evolution as it's the default mail client on Fedora and supports many features like calendering and GPG signing (previously used Thunderbird with the Enigmail extension for GPG). I haven't used Gmail's webmail in years because almost any native client will blow it out of the water in terms of speed, resilience against internet outages, and support for niche features. -Josh On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:15 Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email > flow" > > Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want > to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. > > What are people using for mail clients on linux? > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >

Jan. 28, 2020

Favorite email client for Linux these days?

by Tim Keller

Per the conversation regarding pgp, it got me thinking about my "email flow" Currently I'm using gmail in a browser, but I realize that unless I want to install a 3rd party add-on for chrome I can't really do PGP. What are people using for mail clients on linux? Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 28, 2020