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Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Leon Do

Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't want those PCs because of shipping is about the same as the costs. (I am not from MA) Leon Do Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) > > If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to > get it to the right place. > > Thanks, > Bill Mills-Curran > 508 836-3160 (home) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Leon Do Lucent Technologies eServices Group 200 Lucent Lane Cary, NC 27511 email: leondo(a)lucent.com fax : (919) 463-4379 ph : (919) 463-3149

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Marc Hughes

Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! The initial version of kylix is just Borland Delphi, but the plan on releasing a C++ builder version eventually. For those of you who don't know what Delphi is, is a full RAD (like VB) but with a language that actually makes sense behind it (unlike VB). It's fully OO, and has tons and tons of developers behind it. http://www.borland.com/kylix The best part is, in the middle of this year they will be releasing a version for free (as in beer) for people to develop free (as in speach) applications with. (You still need to pay the $1000 to develop commercial apps) If you ask me, this is a good thing for linux. Currently we have no good development environments. Sure we have good compilers, and good debuggers, and good editors... but an entire environment is what lets developers focus on writing software and not fighting with the tools. In delphi I can write a full GUI app that does something nifty in Delphi in an afternoon. Using emacs, QT, and gcc... it takes me a couple days. Also, there are literally thousands of programs written in Delphi, supposedly Delphi & kylix will be source code compatible (except the API of some of the components) so porting should be very easy. -- -Marc And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face when you least expect it. -Linus Torvalds On Tuesday 13 February 2001 11:41, you wrote: > > From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! > > Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, > and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand > bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) > is. There used to be a pretty good software company named > Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire > chain-letter authors for salesmen?

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support >and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, >and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand >bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) >is. There used to be a pretty good software company named >Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire >chain-letter authors for salesmen? Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten you at this time.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) is. There used to be a pretty good software company named Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire chain-letter authors for salesmen? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Jeffry Smith

Bill Mills-Curran said: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) Actually, I suspect setting up the system with SO5.2, with everything preloaded, would work as well as anything else, and would not be subject to corruption that Win95/98 has (i.e. user can't kill critical files, without root access). Also not subject to Windows Registry bit-rot. And not require licensing fees (remember, that Windows / Office is NOT free, and I always encourage paying of licensing fees, following of copyright, etc). Another item is that NH currently has a program that takes old computers, has the prisoners at Concord rebuild them into Linux servers, and donates them to charities for servers / workstations. Contact is bobnhlinux(a)aol.com (Bob Sparks). jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: YA- abbrev. [Yet Another] In hackish acronyms this almost invariably expands to Yet Another, following the precedent set by Unix yacc(1) (Yet Another Compiler-Compiler). See YABA.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > Thanks a lot > > Leon Do > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Leon, I'm glad you asked... <start charity opportunity message> :-) You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids around Africa. To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some computers to do their homework. Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to get it to the right place. Thanks, Bill Mills-Curran 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 09:04 AM (Tuesday), Leon Do wrote: >I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or >32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Donate them to the National Cristina Foundation at http://www.cristina.org

Feb. 13, 2001

old PCs

by Leon Do

I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Thanks a lot Leon Do

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> said: > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). One thing that's out: throwing them out. circuit boards, hard drives, and monitors all are considered Hazardous Waste in MA, and you have to pay a disposal fee for them. (Something about mercury and other heavy metals...) (Besides, your boxes are more equipped than my home firewall/proxy/print server... AMD K5 75MHz on a 486ish motherboard) Which leaves me in a tougher predictament: I have two old, working, 286s (with keyboards/monochrome monitors,5.25" floppy drives,etc.). they're far too big and heavy to act as doorstops, so any ideas of who I can give them to, donate them to, or otherwise find a proper disposal site for them? -- -mrv(a)kluge.net

Feb. 13, 2001

Free Kylix Seminar

by Al Reinhart

FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Register Now by calling 1-800-255-4388 or visit our web site: http://www.borland.com/events/seminars/kylix Pre-registration is required as seating is limited. Each seminar attendee will receive a $50 coupon good towards the purchase of any Kylix product. For the seminar agenda and schedule, or to register to attend, go to: http://www.borland.com/events/seminars/kylix ------------------------------------------ Al Reinhart Delphi Developers Group of Greater Boston Web Site: www.DisCom.com/Delphi Phone: (508)869-6417

Feb. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Installees for installfest...

by Andy Stewart

Yup....count me in! Andy "Keller, Tim" wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting > me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name > tag) > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | To err is human, to forgive is Not Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | Company Policy. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

Feb. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Installees for installfest...

by Aljerin L. Butler, Jr.

"Keller, Tim" wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting > me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name > tag) > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Tim, Count me in. By the way, what are the hours and where is Stratus located at in Maynard? Al Butler

Feb. 7, 2001

Installees for installfest...

by Keller, Tim

Hey Everybody, If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name tag) Thanks, Tim.

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Charles R. Anderson

Yes, screen is what you want, but not it the way you think. Screen must be the original parent of the *shell itself* beforehand. (I believe screen can also spawn other processes besides shells.) Screen then lets you detach from that shell and all of it's child processes. You can also run multiple shells and other processes in different "windows" under screen. There is no way in UNIX that I know of to redirect a process' stdin/stdout/stderr after it is started. So, you have to think ahead and start screen before starting the process(es) that you want to attach to from a different shell. On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Brad Noyes wrote: maitre> Thanks for responding. With your example, the shell would maitre> be the original parent of the process. What i'm looking maitre> for is not just, putting a running process into the maitre> background (say by ctl-z, then bg), and then brining back maitre> into the foreground (say by using fg %2). I'm looking to maitre> do is bring a process into the foreground to a shell, of maitre> which, the shell is not the original parent of the maitre> process.

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Brad Noyes

Hi, Thanks for responding. With your example, the shell would be the original parent of the process. What i'm looking for is not just, putting a running process into the background (say by ctl-z, then bg), and then brining back into the foreground (say by using fg %2). I'm looking to do is bring a process into the foreground to a shell, of which, the shell is not the original parent of the process. --Brad On Monday 05 February 2001 18:01, Doctor Orbitz wrote: > I beleive you want screen. Screen is a program which runs a shell, and by > typing ^a + d it puts the shell into th ebackground (and any program(s) you > ran from it) and by typign screen -r it brings it back up. You can bring > it back up anywhere. I use it for IRCing. > > Orbitz > > Brad Noyes wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list > > with no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the > > foreground of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet > > command that i could find was the disown command for bash, which does the > > opposite of what I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any > > other shell) command that will let you bring a processes into the > > foreground of a shell, which is not the original parent of the process? > > Thanks, > > --Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 6, 2001

attaching processes

by Brad Noyes

Hi, I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list with no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the foreground of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet command that i could find was the disown command for bash, which does the opposite of what I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any other shell) command that will let you bring a processes into the foreground of a shell, which is not the original parent of the process? Thanks, --Brad

Feb. 6, 2001

Jeff "Hemos" Bates (Slashdot.org Co-Founder) to speak at WPI

by Bradford J Snow

Hello, I think this will be of interest to the list. Jeff "Hemos" Bates, co-founder of slashdot.org will be speaking at WPI this Thursday on behalf of the WPI ACM. Hemos will be answering questions, talking about Slashdot, and anything else he wants to. This will be a really cool presentation. So be there! Feb 8th, 6pm, Perrault Hall, WPI. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bradford J. Snow bradford(a)wpi.edu 508 - 831-6538 WPI CS/EE '01 Executive Council and Events Chair of WPI ACM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Doctor Orbitz

I beleive you want screen. Screen is a program which runs a shell, and by typing ^a + d it puts the shell into th ebackground (and any program(s) you ran from it) and by typign screen -r it brings it back up. You can bring it back up anywhere. I use it for IRCing. Orbitz Brad Noyes wrote: > Hi, > I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list with > no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the foreground > of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet command that i > could find was the disown command for bash, which does the opposite of what > I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any other shell) command that > will let you bring a processes into the foreground of a shell, which is not > the original parent of the process? > Thanks, > --Brad > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 5, 2001

WLUG mail server crash

by Frank Sweetser

Hello all - Over the weekend, the machine that serves as the WLUG mail had a major hard drive crash. As a result, the working copy of the WLUG mailing list is now a fine black powder floating around the inside of the hard drive case. While the list has been restored from a backup copy, this has caused a few changes: - since it was a slightly older copy, a few people who have unsubscribed may be back on, and vice versa. you can go to http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug to fix this. - all preferences and passwords have been reset. same page as above to fix this. - the URLs have changed slightly - the .cgi portion has been removed (Rob - can you fix this on the WLUG web page, please?) Other than that, everything should be back to normal. Please feel free to email me if you have any problems, questions, etc. -- Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 14 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | : - cut in regexps I don't think we reached consensus on that. We're still backtracking... -- Larry Wall in <199710291922.LAA07101(a)wall.org>

Feb. 5, 2001

word perfect

by donald vitkus

can not install word perfect 8.0 on united linux any ideas

Jan. 18, 2000

linux

by donald vitkus

wondering if you could do a demo on on linux command psr meeting for use new bees

Jan. 10, 2000

Re: [Wlug] RE: reply to monitor request Wlug digest, Vol 1 #639 - 3 msgs

by donald vitkus

Walter F. Doyle wrote: >Hi: > >How does $15 sound. Call Jeff at 508-831-7455 on Monday we have about 30 >monitors to choose from!! > >Walter Doyle > >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On >Behalf Of wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:01 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #639 - 3 msgs > > >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux job opportunity (Andy Stewart) > 2. Hard drive crashed! (Andy Stewart) > 3. Wanted: Used monitor (Andy Stewart) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >charset="us-ascii" >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> >Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:35:31 -0400 >Subject: [Wlug] Linux job opportunity >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >HI Everybody, > >Here is a job opportunity that was recently sent to me. If interested, >please >don't reply to the list or to me, but to the recruiter named below. > >Helene Fitch Friedlander >HR Representative >* (978) 461-7148 Fax (978) 461-3720 >* helene.fitch(a)stratus.com >S T R A T U S T E C H N O L O G I E S > >Code 03-076 & 03-075 >Job Title Software Engineer III (Linux) >Occupation Software Engineering >Location Maynard, MA >Description >Will participate as a member of a small team of engineers working on the >development and support of a Fault Tolerant version of Linux that runs on >Stratus' Fault Tolerant IA32 HW. The work will be focused on 1) >participating in the ongoing new development efforts to keep current with >the latest versions Linux, 2) port our FT Linux to the latest Stratus HW >platforms, 3)the productionization of our FT Linux SW and 4) providing >support to Stratus' existing Technology Partners (i.e. - bugs fixes). The >areas that we have made and continue to make modifications in Linux include >providing for SCSI and PCI hot-plug support (including surprise removal of >devices), overall hardening of a select set of Linux device drivers to adapt >them for Stratus' Fault Tolerant environment and making Linux work with >Stratus' FT Hardware. >Experience 6+ years of Software development experience with at least 2+ >years in Linux/Unix software development, including systems level Linux >development. Ability to switch gears quickly and work on multiple problems >simultaneously, Strong communication skills essential. Ability to work well >within a team environment required. Must have Linux kernel development >and/or device driver development. Experience in Linux SCSI a major plus. >BSCS/BSEE or equivalent experience > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >charset="us-ascii" >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> >Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:28:18 -0400 >Subject: [Wlug] Hard drive crashed! >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >HI everybody, > >I've been out of touch all week due to a catastrophic hard drive failure. >My >hard drive is only 1.5 years old and its an IBM Ultrastar 18 GB SCSI drive >with a 5 year warranty. IBM/Hitachi will be getting it back assuming it >fails their diags, which I have to run as a prerequisite to getting an RMA. >Naturally, they are DOS based diags. They have incredibly fussy rules about >packing the drive for shipment, lest one voids one's warranty (say that >three >times fast). > >Believe it or not, it died while I was doing the tape backup!! > >I lost about 1 weeks worth of Quicken transactions and the photos from my >sister's wedding (which I can recover from CDs previously burned for other >family members). I got lucky. > >The moral of the story is: Make sure you do your backups! This is the 2nd >hard drive that I've lost in the last 12 months (the first one was over 5 >years old). > >Or, just run most of your machines as LTSP clients and don't worry about >disks..... :-) > >Later, > >Andy >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >charset="us-ascii" >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> >Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group >To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 01:54:55 -0400 >Subject: [Wlug] Wanted: Used monitor >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Hi everybody, > >I'm looking for a used monitor as a spare for my basement lab bench: > >14" or 15" >Multi sync >Capable of at least 1024x768 at 72 Hz (or better) >Relatively good cosmetic condition >Excellent working condition >Cheap(!) > >If you have something which might interest me, contact me directly and we >can >negotiate. > >Thanks, > >Andy >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >End of Wlug Digest_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > what the size of the monitors?

Jan. 10, 2000

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting: Wed, Sept. 10th, 7:00 PM

by donald vitkus

Andy Stewart wrote: >HI everybody, > >Our next meeting shall be held in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus on >Wednesday, September 10th, at 7:00 PM. Note that this location is not the >same as last month. This is the room that we generally use for our meetings. > >At this meeting, the topic will be "An Introduction to Linux for Newcomers", >and the intended audience is people who do not know much (if anything) about >Linux, but do have experience with computers and perhaps Windows. > >I'll prepare some slides and discuss the following topics (and perhaps more): > >o What is Linux? >o Origins of Linux >o Software licensing >o Computer requirements (memory, disk space, etc) >o How to obtain a copy of Linux >o How to "test drive" Linux without messing up my computer >o More... >o Q/A session during the meeting and afterwards >o Demo of a single CD version of Linux which won't modify your existing files >on the C: drive >o Giveaway: copies of a single CD version of Linux (probably Knoppix and/or >Suse Live Eval - can somebody help me burn a few copies?) > >Bring your friends - let's see if we can get them to at least "kick the tires" >on Linux. > >After the meeting, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer. > >See ya there! > >Andy > > > i can make copies if you sent me the image donald vitkus

Jan. 8, 2000

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by donald vitkus

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Not to trigger a full blown debate... > > It doesn't matter what point *we* are at, it matters what point anyone > who decides to show up is at. It also doesn't matter what can fit on > a flash drive... You have to ask yourself who the intended audience > is. If it is techies who already know what a home directory is and > might end up playing with Linux without WLUG's help, then it doesn't > matter what you show, or if you demo more than one thing. > > If, however, you are trying to interest newbies who might decide to > stay with what they already have if the alternative is perceived as a > lot of work, then I would advise skipping the discussion about how > cool the technology is and focus on why a standard Linux distro is > useful. As I keep reminding my students - the technology is > meaningless, the important questions to ask is "what can you do with > it". If you really want to excite a lot of students, show them how > they can save money and, more importantly time, and still turn their > assignments in on time in a format acceptable to their professors! > > The reason for my initial comment in this thread was simple: In my > experience at WPI, a non-trivial minority of students do not have a > tremendous amount of experience with computers - even the self > professed "programmers." Students new to WPI are already overwhelmed > with some 30-40 hours a week of school work outside of class time. If > they are "into computers" then they are already interested enough to > invest their time based on the "technology is cool" camp. If, > however, they are interested in technology as a tool, they will look > at the demo, size up how much effort is involved (and that includes > how readily available the necessary information is and how easy that > info is to use), decide how helpful the venue is to trying Linux, > assess if Linux/WLUG/whatever is worth it to them, and make a > decision. If, as you say, the commercial distributions are no more > difficult to install than windows, then that is what we should be > showing, as well as OpenOffice, Mozilla, and so forth. > > Steve > > Matt Higgins wrote: > >>My 2 cents or less if you will. >> >>I think Knoppix is the way to go! The point is to showoff Linux-wares not to >>teach about a particular distributions configuration mechanism or file system >>layout. Knoppix is clean and impressive in many ways and does a great job at >>showing off what Linux can do. Furthermore we are to the point were a Linux >>install is no more difficult then a Windows install, particularly the commercial >>distributions; Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc... >> >>So thats my 2 cents or less, long live Slackware! >> >>Matt >> >>Quoting Steve Freitag <Steve.Freitag(a)alum.wpi.edu>: >> >> >> >>>I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe >>>8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my >>>observation >>> >>> >>> >>>Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like >>>OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. >>> >>> >>> >>>There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you >>>don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just >>>boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing >>>about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of >>>the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save >>>your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and >>>another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap >>>($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and >>>boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf >>>Of Stephen C. Daukas >>>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM >>>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? >>> >>> >>> >>>Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you >>>are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind >>>was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? >>>(The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to >>>the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red >>>Hat, etc.? >>> >>>Andy Stewart wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>Andy, >>> >>>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>>favorite tools and utilities. >>> >>>Al Butler >>> >>> >>> >>>HI Al, >>> >>>My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >>>WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >>>want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >>>drives to Linux. >>> >>>One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >>>GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >>>go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >>>people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. >>> >>>How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! >>>:-) >>> >>>Later, >>> >>>Andy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________________________________________ >>>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>>today! >>>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >>> >>>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> > >-- >Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ > > > I hope you will slow down the process if you have to trouble shoot the install of linux.

Jan. 8, 2000

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by donald vitkus

Andy Stewart wrote: >On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > >>Andy, >> >>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>favorite tools and utilities. >> >>Al Butler >> >> > >HI Al, > >My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >drives to Linux. > >One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > >How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) > >Later, > >Andy > > > > >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > i am in school now but hope to still make the meetings

Jan. 6, 2000