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Player Question

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

Newbie looking for quick suggestions. In search of a good media player that operates in Linux and can play either (preferably) RealMedia, or (sadly) WindowsMedia formats. Any suggestions? Sorry for this ultrasimplistic question. Colin

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Player Question

by Doctor Orbitz

I do not know of any Linux player that handles WMP files. However, for RealMedia, you are in luck. There is a little program called RealPlayer which appears to work great for RealMedia files:) Orbitz gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com wrote: > Newbie looking for quick suggestions. > In search of a good media player that operates in Linux and can play > either (preferably) RealMedia, or (sadly) WindowsMedia formats. Any > suggestions? > Sorry for this ultrasimplistic question. > Colin

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: Doug Chamberlin <dchamberlin(a)ne.mediaone.net> > Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: > >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > > Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I > hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is > going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten > you at this time. OK, I guess that counts as support. I humbly apologize for name calling, but my ignorance is at least in part due to the fact that neither the original message nor the cited web site ever got around to saying: Marc> Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! Thank you Marc. You write better than Borland.

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Brian J. Conway

> I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? (Score:-1, Lame) -b

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:10:23PM -0500, Pedro Soria-Rodriguez wrote: > I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp > server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't > have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty > fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it > connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network > on the other. I do about the same at my home. It's about the same hardware (the CPU is actually a 486-upgrade-type chip, supposed to be a p75-esque), same RAM, 3GB hard drive, and an assortment of other random parts. Acts as: firewall/nat gateway, account server (nis), file server (nfs + smb), web proxy (squid), fake web server (perl script to serve out proxy.pac to internal web browsers), and internal name server (named/bind). It runs all of them well, except it's slow! Not because of the processor, but because of the RAM. Of the 16MB RAM, 12MB is used by squid to keep track of the proxy files/memory cache. Either the removal of the proxy or the addition or ram would make this thing jump through hoops. I want to add a real web server (apache w/ php) and MySQL, but am waiting to pick up some more RAM first. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." - Zen Musings

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Pedro Soria-Rodriguez

> Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away > yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want > to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't Well, you can do many things. A P133 with 16 or 32 MB of RAM is a pretty good machine. I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network on the other. So a P133 has plenty of power to do "some kind of networking". -- Pedro Soria-Rodriguez sorrodp(a)alum.wpi.edu

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Leon Do

Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't want those PCs because of shipping is about the same as the costs. (I am not from MA) Leon Do Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) > > If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to > get it to the right place. > > Thanks, > Bill Mills-Curran > 508 836-3160 (home) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Leon Do Lucent Technologies eServices Group 200 Lucent Lane Cary, NC 27511 email: leondo(a)lucent.com fax : (919) 463-4379 ph : (919) 463-3149

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Marc Hughes

Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! The initial version of kylix is just Borland Delphi, but the plan on releasing a C++ builder version eventually. For those of you who don't know what Delphi is, is a full RAD (like VB) but with a language that actually makes sense behind it (unlike VB). It's fully OO, and has tons and tons of developers behind it. http://www.borland.com/kylix The best part is, in the middle of this year they will be releasing a version for free (as in beer) for people to develop free (as in speach) applications with. (You still need to pay the $1000 to develop commercial apps) If you ask me, this is a good thing for linux. Currently we have no good development environments. Sure we have good compilers, and good debuggers, and good editors... but an entire environment is what lets developers focus on writing software and not fighting with the tools. In delphi I can write a full GUI app that does something nifty in Delphi in an afternoon. Using emacs, QT, and gcc... it takes me a couple days. Also, there are literally thousands of programs written in Delphi, supposedly Delphi & kylix will be source code compatible (except the API of some of the components) so porting should be very easy. -- -Marc And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face when you least expect it. -Linus Torvalds On Tuesday 13 February 2001 11:41, you wrote: > > From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! > > Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, > and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand > bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) > is. There used to be a pretty good software company named > Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire > chain-letter authors for salesmen?

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support >and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, >and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand >bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) >is. There used to be a pretty good software company named >Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire >chain-letter authors for salesmen? Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten you at this time.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) is. There used to be a pretty good software company named Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire chain-letter authors for salesmen? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Jeffry Smith

Bill Mills-Curran said: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) Actually, I suspect setting up the system with SO5.2, with everything preloaded, would work as well as anything else, and would not be subject to corruption that Win95/98 has (i.e. user can't kill critical files, without root access). Also not subject to Windows Registry bit-rot. And not require licensing fees (remember, that Windows / Office is NOT free, and I always encourage paying of licensing fees, following of copyright, etc). Another item is that NH currently has a program that takes old computers, has the prisoners at Concord rebuild them into Linux servers, and donates them to charities for servers / workstations. Contact is bobnhlinux(a)aol.com (Bob Sparks). jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: YA- abbrev. [Yet Another] In hackish acronyms this almost invariably expands to Yet Another, following the precedent set by Unix yacc(1) (Yet Another Compiler-Compiler). See YABA.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > Thanks a lot > > Leon Do > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Leon, I'm glad you asked... <start charity opportunity message> :-) You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids around Africa. To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some computers to do their homework. Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to get it to the right place. Thanks, Bill Mills-Curran 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 09:04 AM (Tuesday), Leon Do wrote: >I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or >32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Donate them to the National Cristina Foundation at http://www.cristina.org

Feb. 13, 2001

old PCs

by Leon Do

I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Thanks a lot Leon Do

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> said: > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). One thing that's out: throwing them out. circuit boards, hard drives, and monitors all are considered Hazardous Waste in MA, and you have to pay a disposal fee for them. (Something about mercury and other heavy metals...) (Besides, your boxes are more equipped than my home firewall/proxy/print server... AMD K5 75MHz on a 486ish motherboard) Which leaves me in a tougher predictament: I have two old, working, 286s (with keyboards/monochrome monitors,5.25" floppy drives,etc.). they're far too big and heavy to act as doorstops, so any ideas of who I can give them to, donate them to, or otherwise find a proper disposal site for them? -- -mrv(a)kluge.net

Feb. 13, 2001

Free Kylix Seminar

by Al Reinhart

FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Register Now by calling 1-800-255-4388 or visit our web site: http://www.borland.com/events/seminars/kylix Pre-registration is required as seating is limited. Each seminar attendee will receive a $50 coupon good towards the purchase of any Kylix product. For the seminar agenda and schedule, or to register to attend, go to: http://www.borland.com/events/seminars/kylix ------------------------------------------ Al Reinhart Delphi Developers Group of Greater Boston Web Site: www.DisCom.com/Delphi Phone: (508)869-6417

Feb. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Installees for installfest...

by Andy Stewart

Yup....count me in! Andy "Keller, Tim" wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting > me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name > tag) > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | To err is human, to forgive is Not Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | Company Policy. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

Feb. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Installees for installfest...

by Aljerin L. Butler, Jr.

"Keller, Tim" wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting > me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name > tag) > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Tim, Count me in. By the way, what are the hours and where is Stratus located at in Maynard? Al Butler

Feb. 7, 2001

Installees for installfest...

by Keller, Tim

Hey Everybody, If your planning on being an "Installer" could you send me an email letting me know so I can have an accurate count (and so I can print you a nifty name tag) Thanks, Tim.

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Charles R. Anderson

Yes, screen is what you want, but not it the way you think. Screen must be the original parent of the *shell itself* beforehand. (I believe screen can also spawn other processes besides shells.) Screen then lets you detach from that shell and all of it's child processes. You can also run multiple shells and other processes in different "windows" under screen. There is no way in UNIX that I know of to redirect a process' stdin/stdout/stderr after it is started. So, you have to think ahead and start screen before starting the process(es) that you want to attach to from a different shell. On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Brad Noyes wrote: maitre> Thanks for responding. With your example, the shell would maitre> be the original parent of the process. What i'm looking maitre> for is not just, putting a running process into the maitre> background (say by ctl-z, then bg), and then brining back maitre> into the foreground (say by using fg %2). I'm looking to maitre> do is bring a process into the foreground to a shell, of maitre> which, the shell is not the original parent of the maitre> process.

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Brad Noyes

Hi, Thanks for responding. With your example, the shell would be the original parent of the process. What i'm looking for is not just, putting a running process into the background (say by ctl-z, then bg), and then brining back into the foreground (say by using fg %2). I'm looking to do is bring a process into the foreground to a shell, of which, the shell is not the original parent of the process. --Brad On Monday 05 February 2001 18:01, Doctor Orbitz wrote: > I beleive you want screen. Screen is a program which runs a shell, and by > typing ^a + d it puts the shell into th ebackground (and any program(s) you > ran from it) and by typign screen -r it brings it back up. You can bring > it back up anywhere. I use it for IRCing. > > Orbitz > > Brad Noyes wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list > > with no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the > > foreground of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet > > command that i could find was the disown command for bash, which does the > > opposite of what I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any > > other shell) command that will let you bring a processes into the > > foreground of a shell, which is not the original parent of the process? > > Thanks, > > --Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 6, 2001

attaching processes

by Brad Noyes

Hi, I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list with no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the foreground of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet command that i could find was the disown command for bash, which does the opposite of what I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any other shell) command that will let you bring a processes into the foreground of a shell, which is not the original parent of the process? Thanks, --Brad

Feb. 6, 2001

Jeff "Hemos" Bates (Slashdot.org Co-Founder) to speak at WPI

by Bradford J Snow

Hello, I think this will be of interest to the list. Jeff "Hemos" Bates, co-founder of slashdot.org will be speaking at WPI this Thursday on behalf of the WPI ACM. Hemos will be answering questions, talking about Slashdot, and anything else he wants to. This will be a really cool presentation. So be there! Feb 8th, 6pm, Perrault Hall, WPI. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bradford J. Snow bradford(a)wpi.edu 508 - 831-6538 WPI CS/EE '01 Executive Council and Events Chair of WPI ACM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Feb. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] attaching processes

by Doctor Orbitz

I beleive you want screen. Screen is a program which runs a shell, and by typing ^a + d it puts the shell into th ebackground (and any program(s) you ran from it) and by typign screen -r it brings it back up. You can bring it back up anywhere. I use it for IRCing. Orbitz Brad Noyes wrote: > Hi, > I was trying to find a way to attach a process to the shell's job list with > no luck. I wanted to be able to bring a running process into the foreground > of a shell session that didn't start the process. The closet command that i > could find was the disown command for bash, which does the opposite of what > I'm looking for. Does anyone know of a bash (or any other shell) command that > will let you bring a processes into the foreground of a shell, which is not > the original parent of the process? > Thanks, > --Brad > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 5, 2001

WLUG mail server crash

by Frank Sweetser

Hello all - Over the weekend, the machine that serves as the WLUG mail had a major hard drive crash. As a result, the working copy of the WLUG mailing list is now a fine black powder floating around the inside of the hard drive case. While the list has been restored from a backup copy, this has caused a few changes: - since it was a slightly older copy, a few people who have unsubscribed may be back on, and vice versa. you can go to http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug to fix this. - all preferences and passwords have been reset. same page as above to fix this. - the URLs have changed slightly - the .cgi portion has been removed (Rob - can you fix this on the WLUG web page, please?) Other than that, everything should be back to normal. Please feel free to email me if you have any problems, questions, etc. -- Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 14 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | : - cut in regexps I don't think we reached consensus on that. We're still backtracking... -- Larry Wall in <199710291922.LAA07101(a)wall.org>

Feb. 5, 2001