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Re: Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is a bit distressing. It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. Tim. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and > no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be > sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although > Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security > standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying > to get at the henhouse. > > md > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying to get at the henhouse. md On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >

April 13, 2022

Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting April 14th, 2022! Topic: Fotoxx! Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on April 14th at 7pm! The topic is going to be "Fotoxx." This is a professional grade photo management/editing suite developed by Dick Miller. He's going to be showing off it's many amazing features! We'll be meeting at the Hudson Public Library in our usual space. We'll also be meeting online using Jitsi at our usual haunt as well ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and the whole presentation is going to be recorded and uploaded to our youtube channel! Afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2022

Re: April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo Tim> editing software called "Fotoxx". Tim> https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html Tim> Time: 7pm Tim> Date: April 14th, 2022 Tim> Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. Tim> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Tim> We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: Tim> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA Looking forward to being there and seeing this presentation. Would it help if I brought a tablet and pen to be used/tested with the software? As a lefty who can only mouse with the right hand, but *sucks* drawing with the mouse, I'd be interested to see how that works. John

April 7, 2022

April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo editing software called "Fotoxx". https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From their website: Fotoxx is a free open source *Linux* program for image editing and collection management. The goal is to meet the needs of serious photographers while remaining fast and easy to use. This presentation has been long in the making. Dick reached out to Chuck that due to scheduling conflicts more than a decade ago he was unable to schedule the presentation! Time: 7pm Date: April 14th, 2022 Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA As usual, we'll head off after the meeting for dinner and keep the conversation going. I really hope to see you there!! Later, Tim.

April 6, 2022

Reminder: Meeting This Thursday at 7pm, Location: Hudson Public Library + online!

by Tim Keller

Have you cooked up a really cool gadget and upon looking at the huge mess of breadboard wires thought, "It sure would be great if I could turn that into a PCB, but alas, that software is expensive and proprietary and only runs on windows." KiCAD is an open source EDA (Electronic Design Automation) tool that allows you to take your pile o' wires and IC's and turn it into a PCB! Long time member John Stoffel and myself will show you how Thursday night at 7pm at the Hudson Public Library! We'll also have the meeting online at Jitsi and we'll be recording this whole thing for youtube! Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep up the nerdiness! I hope to see you there or virtually, both work! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 9, 2022

Reminder: WLUG Meeting March 10th, 2022! Topic: KiCAD

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting on Thursday March 10th! Date & Time: March 10th, 2022 @ 7pm Location: Hudson Public Library and Jitsi at our usual haunt ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Topic: KiCAD EDA software Speaker(s): John Stoffel and Tim Keller This is going to be an in person and virtual meeting at the Hudson Public Library! The topic is KiCAD, a FOSS EDA (Electronic Design Automation) CAD tool. KiCAD is a computer aided design software package that enables you to create logical circuit diagrams and convert them into a PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards). This software is being used in the industry and has a vibrant community around it. The speaker for this talk is our own esteemed member John Stoffel with myself lending a hand. John and I will show up some of the features of the software, talk about how he's used it to create his own PCB's and give a quick demo. As always these days the entire meeting will be uploaded to our youtube channel. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner. I hope to see you there (even if only virtually!) Later, Tim.

March 5, 2022

Changes to CentOS and its replacements

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

At our last WLUG meeting there was some discussion about the changes from CentOS to CentOS Stream, plus replacements for CentOS. I picked off a few articles from my website that might help clear the air about the differences between the old and the new CentOS and how to migrate to one of its replacements. AlmaLinux vs CentOS CentOS Replacements For Your Production Linux Servers AlmaLinux’s ELevate Project Makes the Migration from CentOS 7 Easy Migrate To AlmaLinux 8 From CentOS 8 Using Almalinux-deploy Script

Feb. 13, 2022

Re: Video is up on youtube!

by John Stoffel

Dang, I missed this meeting completely. It certainly looks interesting, but what is the real drive here to replace git/mercurial/etc with yet another VCS? I don't see what one executable is a feature, unless you want to be able to copy it all over the place easily... It looks like it should work, and I guess I should try to stuff the kernel source tree into it and see what happens. LOL! John

Feb. 11, 2022

Video is up on youtube!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Bill gave a great presentation of fossil and what it can do. The video is up on youtube here: https://youtu.be/Zn_JTg3JDbI Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic: Fossil!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a virtual meeting tonight, Thursday February 10th. Time: 7pm Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Presenter: Bill Cattey Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, distributed software configuration management system with many integrated advanced features, including things such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 10, 2022

Re: Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ > <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> > Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, *disturbed* software configuration I was distributed by this description, so I went to the web site. Tnat's not what it says. I think Tim must be the victim of a spill Czech program. I'll try to log into the meeting. -- Keith

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I don't think I'll be able to make this meeting, as I'll be attending a meeting for my town's newly-formed pedestrian/bike committee which happens to be in the same time slot: https://www.townofhudson.org/ad-hoc-bicycle-and-pedestrian-committee/events… I hope everyone enjoys this virtual WLUG meeting! - Josh On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a virtual meeting on Thursday February 10th. > Time: 7pm > Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Presenter: Bill Cattey > Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! > > Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. > > From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ > <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> > Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, disturbed software configuration > management system with many integrated advanced features, including things > such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. > > Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll > be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. > > I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6N364… >

Feb. 8, 2022

Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a virtual meeting on Thursday February 10th. Time: 7pm Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Presenter: Bill Cattey Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, disturbed software configuration management system with many integrated advanced features, including things such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. Thanks, Tim.

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Joel

I would also lean towards JITSI for the month. Joel On February 8, 2022 1:33:17 AM "Robert N. Evans via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I don't think I would do an in-person meeting. > > - Bob Evans > -----Original Message----- > From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Feb 7, 2022 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. > > We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. > > The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LP42T…

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Robert N. Evans

I don't think I would do an in-person meeting. - Bob Evans -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Sent: Feb 7, 2022 6:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Tim Keller Subject: [WLUG] Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 8, 2022

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 7, 2022

"Emacs for fun and pro fit" posted to WLUG youtube channel.

by Tim Keller

This is the un-edited raw video, it's fun enough just as it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVy-kMSnaHc The talk starts at: https://youtu.be/cVy-kMSnaHc?t=245 Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 18, 2022

Re: clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Gregory Avedissian

For debian-based systems, you can use 'dpkg --get-selections' and 'dpkg --set-selections' to reproduce a set of installed packages. You can expect to run into errors if you are using this to go to the next release, because some packages will be missing or replaced with a different named package. On 1/14/22, Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It > should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate > apt-get commands. > > 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the > old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is > booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. > Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) > when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: > > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt > > > 2. Compare the files and save that output: > > diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt > grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt > grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt > > 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do > this step manually rather than using some automated script, since > there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared > libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. > I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing > stuff I want in another: > > dnf install a b c d ... > > and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages > except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a > package has a bunch of plugins I want: > > dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... > > Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt > keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install > everything that is in the curated list: > > cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG >> >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn >> >> about >> >> emacs. >> >> Also, I have two questions: >> >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, >> >> I >> >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. >> >> Does >> >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> >> re-install >> >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an >> >> easy way >> >> for me to get the list? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Z5ONM… >

Jan. 16, 2022

Re: clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Joshua Stone

I'm hoping it'll get easier to back up and upgrade OS installs with the advances in containerized runtimes like flatpak and podman/distrobox, and immutable distros like Silverblue. For example, I can back up application installs from: /var/lib/flatpak Optionally I can store just the list of names and re-install them later: $ flatpak list --system --app --columns=application --ostree-verbose > apps.txt $ cat apps.txt com.bitwig.BitwigStudio com.discordapp.Discord com.github.k4zmu2a.spacecadetpinball com.github.tchx84.Flatseal com.github.wwmm.easyeffects com.mojang.Minecraft com.obsproject.Studio com.spotify.Client io.mgba.mGBA md.obsidian.Obsidian org.chromium.Chromium org.gimp.GIMP .. .. org.kde.krita org.keepassxc.KeePassXC org.libreoffice.LibreOffice org.mozilla.firefox org.signal.Signal org.videolan.VLC org.x.Warpinator us.zoom.Zoom And -- more importantly -- user data can be backed up from: ~/.var/app Silverblue also seems to handle updates/upgrades very well as none of the updates apply to the running system. It also makes a clear distinction between OS and application by relying on flatpaks and toolbox as the primary means of application management. This is definitely a significant change from the familiar package model, but it's one that I think has merit. I'm excited to see these technologies mature and become more integral to modern Linux distros! - Josh On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:08 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It > should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate > apt-get commands. > > 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the > old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is > booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. > Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) > when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: > > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt > > > 2. Compare the files and save that output: > > diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt > grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt > grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt > > 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do > this step manually rather than using some automated script, since > there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared > libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. > I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing > stuff I want in another: > > dnf install a b c d ... > > and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages > except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a > package has a bunch of plugins I want: > > dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... > > Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt > keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install > everything that is in the curated list: > > cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > > > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn > about > > >> emacs. > > >> Also, I have two questions: > > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, > I > > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. > Does > > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > > >> re-install > > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > > >> easy way > > >> for me to get the list? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Z5ONM… >

Jan. 16, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Michael Voorhis

Sorry -- are we supposed to know what the WLUG youtube account-name is? How it is to be found, etc? I looked around a bit. I looked on youtube, I looked on wlug.org. Maybe (probably?) I'm blind but I didn't find anything. --MCV. On 1/14/22 11:20, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: linux.conf.au

by Lexi Haley

Just one followup - the first keynote was Brian Kernighan giving a talk: *"The early days of Unix at Bell Labs"* I found it interesting; LCA posted it to their youTube channel: https://youtu.be/ECCr_KFl41E?list=RDCMUCciKHCG06rnq31toLTfAiyw Lexi On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:37 PM Lexi Haley <ahaley42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is random and literally last minute, but it's day one of > Linux.Conf.Au - anyone else virtually attending any sessions? > > https://linux.conf.au/ > > Lexi >

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The meeting last night was amazing I mentioned at one point that I have a cartoon of an emacs user at work. I put it up on the web server: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/wlug/index.html -- Keith

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

Tim> The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a Tim> power emacs users looks like. It was a really fun meeting, and I enjoyed meeting Kalman and learning even more about emacs (as I write this using emacs...) and the power it provides. But I still think training my pinkie to use Ctrl/Meta down at the spacebar level, instead of on the home row is going to be hard to accomplish! Tim> I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and Tim> upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded Tim> I'll send out the link. Cool.

Jan. 14, 2022