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Re: Uptime!

by Michael Voorhis

Additionally if you never reboot, how do you know the machine WILL reboot? How do you know what the system will do after a power failure, etc? Fate will intervene at some point and force you to reboot whether you want to or not, so you should be prepared with the knowledge of how the system will respond to that. On 4/21/22 09:54, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that > require a re-boot?

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by David Glaser

It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that require a re-boot? -David On 4/21/2022 9:27 AM, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > So I guess my question is if I'm just running a personal Linux machine > at home, what are the advantages or disadvantages to keeping it on, or > shutting down during non-use? > > -Ron > > (I might in the near future use one machine as a home server to share > files, so in that case see an advantage to possibly keeping it on 24/7) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2022 5:07 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Uptime! > I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! > It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by THE HAMMER

So I guess my question is if I'm just running a personal Linux machine at home, what are the advantages or disadvantages to keeping it on, or shutting down during non-use? -Ron (I might in the near future use one machine as a home server to share files, so in that case see an advantage to possibly keeping it on 24/7) ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 5:07 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Uptime! I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. Mike On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim, > > What was the reason for shutting it down? > > This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted > me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. > > He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of > what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that > was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running > for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login > password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. > > A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug > the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. > > Your machine beat his machine on uptime. > > md > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, What was the reason for shutting it down? This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. Your machine beat his machine on uptime. md On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! > It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >

April 20, 2022

Uptime!

by Tim Keller

I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 20, 2022

Reminder! WLUG tonight! Hudson Public Library! Topic: Fotoxx!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is the final reminder we've got a meeting tonight at 7pm! The speaker is going to be Dick Miller! He's going to be talking about Fotoxx! Fotoxx is an open source professional grade photo editing and collection manager! I hope to see you at the Hudson Public Library or online in our Jitsi Room! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 14, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

It makes me think that what they're using for "backups" are actually snapshots of volumes.. But if you purge that volume, you purge the snapshots with it.. As for people getting fired..Eh, nobody inadvertently got feed into an industrial grinding machine because someone turned off all the safeties. People are just unable to look at the jira kanban boards.. Ironically the people who caused this are likely the ones most likely to fix it. I once wiped out 20TB+ of production data. I could go into all the gory details, but to say I deleted a bunch of poorly labeled volumes on a SAN. All the same I did delete the data.. and I then had to fix the mistake and part of the process was me writing up a full incident report and a RCA. This looks like it was a major breakdown in process control and testing. This is *exactly* why there are pre-prod testing environments that are cloned from real data.. so when your script that was supposed to expand your EBS volumes does so by first destroying them and then creating them larger you find that out. I'm suspecting this is going to be part of the lively conversation tonight! Later, Tim. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jared" == Jared Greenwald via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Jared> At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... > Jared> https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update > > I want people to carefully reade these four paragraphs and ask > themselves, what is the difference between restoring one customer > quickly using a well tested process, and restoring 400 customers? > > We also maintain immutable backups that are designed to be resilient > against data corruption events, which enable recovery to a previous > point in time. Backups are retained for 30 days, and Atlassian > continuously tests and audits storage backups for restoration. > > Using these backups, we regularly roll-back individual customers or a > small set of customers who accidentally delete their own data. And, if > required, we can restore all customers at once into a new environment. > > What we have not (yet) automated is restoring a large subset of > customers into our existing (and currently in use) environment without > affecting any of our other customers. > > Within our cloud environment, each data store contains data from > multiple customers. Because the data deleted in this incident was only > a portion of data stores that are continuing to be used by other > customers, we have to manually extract and restore individual pieces > from our backups. Each customer site recovery is a lengthy and complex > process, requiring internal validation and final customer verification > when the site is restored. > > > These paragraphs are carefully written to imply one things, but show > that they have no system in place for proper rollbacks when an entire > customer gets purged. I suspect that their "nuke it all from orbit" > script *also* nuked the immutable backups as well, which is why this > is all taking so long to restore. > > I do hope the people who messed up are fired, and if anyone is fired > it's the managers who set up this debacle. > > John > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 14, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jared" == Jared Greenwald via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Jared> At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... Jared> https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update I want people to carefully reade these four paragraphs and ask themselves, what is the difference between restoring one customer quickly using a well tested process, and restoring 400 customers? We also maintain immutable backups that are designed to be resilient against data corruption events, which enable recovery to a previous point in time. Backups are retained for 30 days, and Atlassian continuously tests and audits storage backups for restoration. Using these backups, we regularly roll-back individual customers or a small set of customers who accidentally delete their own data. And, if required, we can restore all customers at once into a new environment. What we have not (yet) automated is restoring a large subset of customers into our existing (and currently in use) environment without affecting any of our other customers. Within our cloud environment, each data store contains data from multiple customers. Because the data deleted in this incident was only a portion of data stores that are continuing to be used by other customers, we have to manually extract and restore individual pieces from our backups. Each customer site recovery is a lengthy and complex process, requiring internal validation and final customer verification when the site is restored. These paragraphs are carefully written to imply one things, but show that they have no system in place for proper rollbacks when an entire customer gets purged. I suspect that their "nuke it all from orbit" script *also* nuked the immutable backups as well, which is why this is all taking so long to restore. I do hope the people who messed up are fired, and if anyone is fired it's the managers who set up this debacle. John

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? They're talking Tim> about some customers still being offline for two weeks! Live by the cloud, die by the cloud... I think they seriously screwed up, which goes to show you the programming is 10% the work to be done, and 900% error, bounds and exception handling. All of which computers do poorly, but which we humans do reasonably well. But we're *slow* and the cloud is all about speed. In this case, it also shows that Atlassian's DR practices were crap in a major way. And if I was self hosting it internally, and knew that I was being forced to the cloud... I'd be yelling like hell at my sales rep and working to get off Atlassian products. The cloud has some advantages, and is lovely if you have a work load that scales horizontally really well, and which also bursts up in terms of performance need. But when you have a fairly static demand, it's maybe not the best thing to do. But ... the cloud sells itself on doing all those hard things well, like redundancy, resiliency, durability, etc. dual feed UPS, tested generators, reliable AC systems, etc. All the things a good Co-Lo or self hosted people handle to some level of execution. The cloud should (ideally) have all this down to a T. But ... when it doesn't, all hell breaks loose. John

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jared Greenwald

At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I consider a "faulty script" as the worst type of cyber attack. > > As a friend of one once famously said "I will replace you with a very > small shell script" > > They even made a T-shirt out of it. > > > https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3810999-go-away-or-i-will-replace-you-wit… > > md > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a >> single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is >> a bit distressing. >> >> It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>> >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>> >>> With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", >>> and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be >>> sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although >>> Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security >>> standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying >>> to get at the henhouse. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>>> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/26PO4… >

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I consider a "faulty script" as the worst type of cyber attack. As a friend of one once famously said "I will replace you with a very small shell script" They even made a T-shirt out of it. https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3810999-go-away-or-i-will-replace-you-wit… md On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a > single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is > a bit distressing. > > It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. > Tim. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >> >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >> >> With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", >> and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be >> sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although >> Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security >> standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying >> to get at the henhouse. >> >> md >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>> >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is a bit distressing. It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. Tim. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and > no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be > sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although > Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security > standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying > to get at the henhouse. > > md > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying to get at the henhouse. md On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >

April 13, 2022

Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting April 14th, 2022! Topic: Fotoxx! Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on April 14th at 7pm! The topic is going to be "Fotoxx." This is a professional grade photo management/editing suite developed by Dick Miller. He's going to be showing off it's many amazing features! We'll be meeting at the Hudson Public Library in our usual space. We'll also be meeting online using Jitsi at our usual haunt as well ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and the whole presentation is going to be recorded and uploaded to our youtube channel! Afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2022

Re: April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo Tim> editing software called "Fotoxx". Tim> https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html Tim> Time: 7pm Tim> Date: April 14th, 2022 Tim> Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. Tim> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Tim> We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: Tim> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA Looking forward to being there and seeing this presentation. Would it help if I brought a tablet and pen to be used/tested with the software? As a lefty who can only mouse with the right hand, but *sucks* drawing with the mouse, I'd be interested to see how that works. John

April 7, 2022

April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo editing software called "Fotoxx". https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From their website: Fotoxx is a free open source *Linux* program for image editing and collection management. The goal is to meet the needs of serious photographers while remaining fast and easy to use. This presentation has been long in the making. Dick reached out to Chuck that due to scheduling conflicts more than a decade ago he was unable to schedule the presentation! Time: 7pm Date: April 14th, 2022 Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA As usual, we'll head off after the meeting for dinner and keep the conversation going. I really hope to see you there!! Later, Tim.

April 6, 2022

Reminder: Meeting This Thursday at 7pm, Location: Hudson Public Library + online!

by Tim Keller

Have you cooked up a really cool gadget and upon looking at the huge mess of breadboard wires thought, "It sure would be great if I could turn that into a PCB, but alas, that software is expensive and proprietary and only runs on windows." KiCAD is an open source EDA (Electronic Design Automation) tool that allows you to take your pile o' wires and IC's and turn it into a PCB! Long time member John Stoffel and myself will show you how Thursday night at 7pm at the Hudson Public Library! We'll also have the meeting online at Jitsi and we'll be recording this whole thing for youtube! Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep up the nerdiness! I hope to see you there or virtually, both work! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 9, 2022

Reminder: WLUG Meeting March 10th, 2022! Topic: KiCAD

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting on Thursday March 10th! Date & Time: March 10th, 2022 @ 7pm Location: Hudson Public Library and Jitsi at our usual haunt ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Topic: KiCAD EDA software Speaker(s): John Stoffel and Tim Keller This is going to be an in person and virtual meeting at the Hudson Public Library! The topic is KiCAD, a FOSS EDA (Electronic Design Automation) CAD tool. KiCAD is a computer aided design software package that enables you to create logical circuit diagrams and convert them into a PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards). This software is being used in the industry and has a vibrant community around it. The speaker for this talk is our own esteemed member John Stoffel with myself lending a hand. John and I will show up some of the features of the software, talk about how he's used it to create his own PCB's and give a quick demo. As always these days the entire meeting will be uploaded to our youtube channel. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner. I hope to see you there (even if only virtually!) Later, Tim.

March 5, 2022

Changes to CentOS and its replacements

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

At our last WLUG meeting there was some discussion about the changes from CentOS to CentOS Stream, plus replacements for CentOS. I picked off a few articles from my website that might help clear the air about the differences between the old and the new CentOS and how to migrate to one of its replacements. AlmaLinux vs CentOS CentOS Replacements For Your Production Linux Servers AlmaLinux’s ELevate Project Makes the Migration from CentOS 7 Easy Migrate To AlmaLinux 8 From CentOS 8 Using Almalinux-deploy Script

Feb. 13, 2022

Re: Video is up on youtube!

by John Stoffel

Dang, I missed this meeting completely. It certainly looks interesting, but what is the real drive here to replace git/mercurial/etc with yet another VCS? I don't see what one executable is a feature, unless you want to be able to copy it all over the place easily... It looks like it should work, and I guess I should try to stuff the kernel source tree into it and see what happens. LOL! John

Feb. 11, 2022

Video is up on youtube!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Bill gave a great presentation of fossil and what it can do. The video is up on youtube here: https://youtu.be/Zn_JTg3JDbI Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic: Fossil!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a virtual meeting tonight, Thursday February 10th. Time: 7pm Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Presenter: Bill Cattey Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, distributed software configuration management system with many integrated advanced features, including things such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 10, 2022

Re: Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ > <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> > Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, *disturbed* software configuration I was distributed by this description, so I went to the web site. Tnat's not what it says. I think Tim must be the victim of a spill Czech program. I'll try to log into the meeting. -- Keith

Feb. 8, 2022