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by Colin Novick

Thanks Ben! > Ok... I'll start off by saying I'm not all that familiar with Mandrake, > and I haven't fooled around much with printing, so I'll skip that part. That's cool. Any help or improvement would be welcome. Besides just writing/talking it through might spark something. I do appreciate the response. > But as for the network, I'm kind of confused about what's going on there. You and me both. First off. I am not learned on networking. I am reading and trying, but not getting traction. On the windows side of my machine I am connecting my machine to a large format HP printer (DesignJet 488 CA) through a 3Com network card and a 3Com 4 port fast ethernet hub. The HP requires that I send all the data to a HP JetDirect 300X box that transfers the data through a parallel conn. to the printer. It is faster for big projects that way if you believe the literature. That works fine in Windows , but again I can't "see" the important command settings that make trying to understand what works, and thus how to replicate it in Linux hard. I haven't been able to address the large HP in Linux through printing programs, network interfaces, or fiddling in network settings. My machine's network card is there (eth0) and I can ping that. Thus there is a way out and onto the network. All the connected items satisfy the 3Com hub and the appropriate indicator lights show a good connection. I was of the belief that the HP printer may have a "static" IP in its hardware so I tried pinging that. No luck. Nor any luck for trying to just assign an IP to it, though I have to admit that I may have done that improperly through ignorance. Each time I installed Mandrake I made sure that the hub and printer were on in the hopes that it might be automatically detected in the setup. That has not occurred. When I installed the PentiumI I made sure that the hub, printer and the main machine I work on were all up and running in the hopes that again it would detect that there was a network present. It did not. I figured that my general difficulties in overall printing might be part of the issue so I am trying to add to the network an old PentiumI using another 3Com card. I heard that connections are easier if you keep the connections all in the same family. That card is there as eth0 on that machine as well and I can ping the card from its machine. Part of the issue is trying to figure out how to set the settings in both of the machines such that they can find one another. I was originally thinking that this was a peer to peer relationship and that I needed to set the IP's on each of the machines and then try to have one ping the other. The Mandrake Config programs are not doing this automatically for me so I tried messing around in the terminal. I have Mandrake 7.2 running on the PentiumI, though when it is running properly I will try to stay out of a desktop environment unless I have some time on my hands. > You're trying to connect to another machine on the same network (I assume > you've got them wired right, with a hub or crossover cable), right? Yes I believe that the connections I have made are proper, and that the kernel has properly been set to the right network card drivers. > Does the network card show up as detected in the kernel start-up messages? Yes, eth0 comes up properly in the kernel start up. > Is the interface configured correctly? I believe that it is. > Can you ping another machine? No. I have not yet been able to ping another machine. > Am I making any sense here? Yes. > Also, how is your internet connection set up (ie dial-up, etc), Dial up 3 Com modem to Ultranet, or rather, RCN. > and how > are you trying to connect to them? (what commands do you run) In KDE I pull up the internet connection dialog, and lately I simply go to the Terminal and go through the following: ATZ OK ATDT15084258111 CONNECT 49333/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS (Carriage Return) ** APXI.SBO.MA.RCN.NET Terminal Server ** Login: ****@** Password: ******** Entering PPP Session IP Address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 and then I am stuck not knowing what I need to do to complete the connect or if I am waiting for the server to send me something else. > It sounds like pppd isn't actually connecting to the other side, but it's hard to be > sure. Anyway I can check that? The Debug program offers no explanation. I can logon properly with the silly Windows dialer, but as there is no terminal or dialog window I have no idea how it is "properly" addressing things. The dialup worked on Linux until I went fiddling elsewhere in the Mandrake Config program. (Sharing an internet connection) Although I changed the settings back (to the best of my recollection anyway) still no dice. Any insights by anyone (other than the obvious one of my inexperience being the root of most of the problems) are valued like gold. Colin

Sept. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] I thought you guys might get a kick out of this

by Keith Wright

> From: "Brian J. Conway" <dogbert(a)clue4all.net> > Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet...blah...blah > > Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... It's on the second page: >> From Blueprint to Fortress: A Guide to Securing IIS 5.0 >> Servers can be vulnerable to a host of attacks. Gee, I might like to migrate from Linux to Windows, but all the instructions are in Word documents. I have no way to begin! > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix But as Perlis said about Algol 60, it's not perfect, but it's a tremendous improvement over its successors! -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Sept. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Keith Wright

> From: Jeff Reed <jmr71769(a)earthlink.net> > > earthlink SUXORS!!! > i TOTALLY realte to this email...i can't stress this ENOUGH! if > you're using linux, and want a decent DSL connection, there is no > other...go with SPEAKEASY.NET. (EARTHLINK SUX)^75 So why is your email address @earthlink.net? This is stressed ENOUGH, but it might help to be a little more specific. What is the problem? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Sept. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Ben Dow

Ok... I'll start off by saying I'm not all that familiar with Mandrake, and I haven't fooled around much with printing, so I'll skip that part. But as for the network, I'm kind of confused about what's going on there. You're trying to connect to another machine on the same network (I assume you've got them wired right, with a hub or crossover cable), right? Does the network card show up as detected in the kernel start-up messages? Is the interface configured correctly? Can you ping another machine? Am I making any sense here? Also, how is your internet connection set up (ie dial-up, etc), and how are you trying to connect to them? (what commands do you run) It sounds like pppd isn't actually connecting to the other side, but it's hard to be sure. On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Colin Novick wrote: > Thoughts from wisened pros? > > Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot > system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. > Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. > Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and > CUPS running at the same time? > I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. > Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between > two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. > Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were > tried. > Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might > let me configure things. > And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I > saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and > I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now > the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually > get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get > to: > Entering PPP Session > IP address is 216.164.248.83 > MTU is 1500 > There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try > to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect > of a PPP session completing. > Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is > some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? > No idea on that one. > > All right. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I > am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. > The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere > before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image > in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. > > Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I > created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. > Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. > Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. > > Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. > My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a > young fool trying to find his feet. > > Colin > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] I thought you guys might get a kick out of this

by Matt Pease

Why do open source projects bother supporting Windows? Seems like 100% counter-productive waste of effort, doesn't it? matt > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Brian J. Conway > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:19 PM > To: discuss(a)wpila.org > Cc: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] I thought you guys might get a kick out of this > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet /prodtechnol/iis/deploy/depovg/win2kcd.asp > > Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... > > Brian J. Conway > dogbert(a)clue4all.net > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 4, 2001

I thought you guys might get a kick out of this

by Brian J. Conway

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/TechNet/prodtech… Strangely, I don't see any mention of Code Red in there... Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix

Sept. 4, 2001

Fwd: Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Colin Novick

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. All right. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

Sept. 4, 2001

Sympathy for a guy over his head

by Colin Novick

Thoughts from wisened pros? Now more than ever I need to migrate to Linux. I am using a dual boot system MS/Linux and I desperately want to cut the cord. Previously the difficulty was an inability to print. Newest guess on that is that there is a possible conflict with lpd and CUPS running at the same time? I have yet to unpack how one goes about fixing that. Most recent challenge was to get a network connection established between two machines on 3Com cards on a 3Com box. Didn't quite get my hands around that, though many different angles were tried. Current thinking on this one is to look around and see if SAMBA might let me configure things. And then I really messed things up. While trying to establish a network I saw this neat option that lets machines share an internet connection, and I pursued it.... After playing around for a while I disabled it and now the Internet connection will not properly execute the ppp. I can manually get all the way through the logon in a Terminal session and when I get to: Entering PPP Session IP address is 216.164.248.83 MTU is 1500 There is nowhere to go from here. Leave it alone and it disconnects. Try to do anything, any key, and gobbledygook shows up killing any prospect of a PPP session completing. Possible that the system "enabling IPv4 packet forwarding" on startup is some leftover from my messing around with sharing an internet connection? No idea on that one. Allright. It is necessary to screw around and make mistakes to learn. I am excelling at that, and probably do now know more. The difficulty is that I have never seen this up and working anywhere before, and when trying to solve a problem I am working without an image in my head of what is or isn't supposed to be there. Thought to reload the Mandrake 7.2 system and hope to wipe the settings I created return to where I was originally pursuing different paths. Trick there is that "Reload" keeps all the settings. Shouldah done a reinstall. Learned that too. Any thoughts, or maybe even just a weak hearted consoling word or two. My deepest and sincerest thanks to the learned who had to endure hear a young fool trying to find his feet. Colin

Sept. 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Andy Stewart

This is weird. I have KOffice 1.1 (rc1) installed, KDE 2.2, CUPS 1.1.9, and XFree86 4.1.0 (SuSE 7.2 PRO). I've also noticed that freetype is installed on my machine (freetype2 v2.0.1 and freetype 1.3.1). I don't appear to be running a font server (at least not xfs or xfstt). My video card is a Matrix G400. I ran the SuSE supplied script for fetching the ttfs and installing them. The script is called fetchmsttfonts and it is contained in SuSE's xf86-tools package. It looks to be pretty distribution neutral. I think the only other thing that I did was to add the font path so that the X server could find the fonts. I created a quick doc in KOffice with three different ttfs and printed it no sweat. I got the fonts from the evil empire's website. Anti aliasing is definitely enabled in the KDE control panel (Look and Feel -> Fonts). I do notice that kmail files don't print directly from kmail. (The pstoraster process from CUPS runs seemingly forever and I'm not sure why). How many true type fonts to you have loaded up? I only have 11 that KOffice can see. I'm not sure what else to check. Does anybody else have any ideas? I'm trying CUPS 1.1.10 now to see if that solve the kmail printing problem. Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org On Monday 03 September 2001 08:54 am, Wesley Allen wrote: > Andy, > The desktop has got 128mb ram (pc100), my laptop has got 196mb. I > think that is the problem with the load times when AA is turned on, > because it doesn't seem to affect my laptop at all. It's the font > problem that irks me. I've figured out that it is tied to AA, with it > turned off the fonts don't show up on my desktop either. And my laptop > doesn't support AA yet so I'm plum out of luck as they say. Have you > heard of any work-arounds to trick kde into thinking I've got AA > support? > > I've had problems printing with cups and libkdeprint. The only hadk > I can figure out (until cups supports it) is to use lpd to print > anythign with ttf's. Then it works fine, but you lose the advanced > features of cups...it's all a balancing act. Mandrake 8.1 is out soon, > perhaps they will fix some of these problems. > > Wes > > Andy Stewart (andystewart(a)mediaone.net) wrote: > >HI Wes, > > > >How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take > > forever when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you > > running anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start > > KDE? > > > >I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts > > using the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I > > haven't tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried > > seems to work pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), > > and my processor is dual PIII/450. > > > >I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't > >work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). > >File...SaveAs and then print did work. > > > >Later, > > > >Andy > > > >On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: > >> Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new > >> libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows > >> because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly > >> research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be > >> printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to > >> work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in > >> Linux, with one major glitche... > >> > >> 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when > >> anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for > >> the fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde > >> programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a > >> shell to open up, it's not fun...) > >> > >> b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet > >> (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. > >> > >> > >> Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? > >> > >> Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me > >> to submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going > >> to submit a bug report). > >> > >> Wes > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Wesley Allen

Andy, The desktop has got 128mb ram (pc100), my laptop has got 196mb. I think that is the problem with the load times when AA is turned on, because it doesn't seem to affect my laptop at all. It's the font problem that irks me. I've figured out that it is tied to AA, with it turned off the fonts don't show up on my desktop either. And my laptop doesn't support AA yet so I'm plum out of luck as they say. Have you heard of any work-arounds to trick kde into thinking I've got AA support? I've had problems printing with cups and libkdeprint. The only hadk I can figure out (until cups supports it) is to use lpd to print anythign with ttf's. Then it works fine, but you lose the advanced features of cups...it's all a balancing act. Mandrake 8.1 is out soon, perhaps they will fix some of these problems. Wes Andy Stewart (andystewart(a)mediaone.net) wrote: > > > >HI Wes, > >How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take forever >when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you running >anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start KDE? > >I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts using >the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I haven't >tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried seems to work >pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), and my processor >is dual PIII/450. > >I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't >work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). >File...SaveAs and then print did work. > >Later, > >Andy > > > > > >On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: >> Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new >> libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows >> because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly >> research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be >> printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to >> work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, >> with one major glitche... >> >> 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when >> anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the >> fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde >> programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a >> shell to open up, it's not fun...) >> >> b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet >> (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. >> >> >> Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? >> >> Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to >> submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to >> submit a bug report). >> >> Wes >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] kde22 problems...

by Andy Stewart

HI Wes, How much memory do you have in this machine? I've seen KDE take forever when it is memory limited, hence my question. Also, are you running anything which is CPU intensive when you're trying to start KDE? I am also running KDE 2.2, and I downloaded those MS truetype fonts using the script supplied by SuSE 7.2. I like the look! Although I haven't tried anything funky like Greek or Hebrew, what I have tried seems to work pretty well. However, I have infinite memory (256 MB), and my processor is dual PIII/450. I did try printing a mail message directly from KMail, but that didn't work for some reason (not sure if the problem was KDE or CUPS). File...SaveAs and then print did work. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org On Saturday 01 September 2001 10:15 am, you wrote: > Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new > libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows > because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly > research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be > printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to > work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, > with one major glitche... > > 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when > anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the > fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde > programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a > shell to open up, it's not fun...) > > b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet > (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. > > > Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? > > Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to > submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to > submit a bug report). > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2001

kde22 problems...

by Wesley Allen

Well, I've finally gotten kde 2.2 installed and I love the new libkdeprint. I'm a pastor by trade and have been stuck in windows because I need some pretty funky Greek and Hebrew fonts for my weekly research; fonts which I can only find in .ttf format and couldn't be printed at any rate (yes, I know there were fixes, I never got one to work for me). Now with kde 2.2 I can at last use these fonts in Linux, with one major glitche... 1) They only show up in my "usable fonts" combo box in koffice when anti-aliasing is turned on. This would not be a problem except for the fact that... a) My pitifully Celeron 366 take FOREVER to load kde programs with anti-aliasing turned on (ever waited 30 seconds for a shell to open up, it's not fun...) b) My laptop's display isn't supported by kde's anti-aliasing yet (Inspiron 3800). So my primary research tool can't be used. Any ideas/workarounds/hacks to overcome this glitch? Also, with anti-aliasing turned on, my desktop machine won't allow me to submit forms (like e-mail), in konqueror. Any ideas? (I'm going to submit a bug report). Wes

Sept. 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Jeff Reed

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Sept. 1, 2001

Re: DLS/Cable [ Was Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?]

by Charlie Milhans

Has anyone had any experience with Satellite two way DSL? I can't get DSL through Verizon and our ATT Broadband doesn't have any plans to add a cable modem. Dish Network has two way for $60 a month and $550 initial hardware. They are talking of 550 kbs for download and 110 kbs for upload speeds. Thanks, Charlie Milhans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen(a)daukas.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:46 AM Subject: DLS/Cable [ Was Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?] > This may or may not be helpful, but I'll bring it up anyway... > > You have three options, as I see it: > > 1. Live outside of Worcester > 2. Live in a different part of Worcester > 3. Get your own line > > I mention 1 & 2 because two friends recently moved from Worcester to > surrounding towns and one of the unsolicited comments was regarding better > connectivity... The other story is that two other friends have very > different stories to tell based on where they live in Worcester - one > friend lives near UMass, the other over near Quinsig. Admittedly, this is > anecdotal, but what the hell. It also sounds like you may be tied to WPI, > so... > > The third option, in light of the poor track record of DSL, is to see what > you can do with a local provider. If your industrious enough, get a bunch > of people to chip in for your own line at the level you are comfortable > with (speed versus money). I know of one group that did this with only 3 > people. They split the cost three ways and, in two of the three's cases, > they got some reimbursement form their employer (then re-worked the per > person cost)... Brought the individual cost to the same level as a typical > business account, but they had their own pipe. > > Just my two bits worth. > > Steve > > PS. I read the posting of the story about multiple installs with a smile > as this was my experience in Shrewsbury a while back. To make a long story > short, I ended up with cable service from the town. A little rough in the > beginning (as they were starting out), but it has been nothing but smooth > sailing from then on. > > I had DSL, switched to Cable, then back to DSL, then back to Cable. During > my hiatus from the town cable, the town fired their last provider and > brought on a new sub... A much better story than DSL at this point in > time, if only because the DSL market is so unstable right now. > > Just goes to show that nothing is perfect. > > At 07:43 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi all - > > I'm new to the area.. living near the WPI campus. > >Is anyone here happy with their DSL service? > > > > Right now I've got DSL service from Earthlink. Man, > >they suck. The thing goes out for a week at a time & all > >they do is ask me to power cycle my modem & then say > >its a Verizon problem & I must wait for Verizon to fix it. > > > > This time I'm getting 400ms pings & terrible bandwidth (50kbps... > >and not as smooth as a modem) > > > > Anyone know if going with a different DSL provider would > >improve things? > > > > I'm not sure who Earthlink uses locally, but they always > >say its a Verizon problem. > > > > Speakeasy uses Covad. Perhaps I should switch? > > > >Thank you - > >Matt > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 31, 2001

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by Sands Fish

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Aug. 31, 2001

RE: [Wlug] anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working?

by Kingsbury, Michael

I'll echo this one, I'm pretty happy with Speakeasy, also a little uneasy about the Covad issue... Can't say I had any complaints, service is fine. -beaker -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Charles R . Anderson Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:37 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working? On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:24:39PM -0400, Matt Pease wrote: matt> I'm wondering now, is anyone on this list in Worcester using matt> DSL? If so, with who & is it working fully now? I use Speakeasy. They are an excellent DSL company. My DSL only went down two or three times in the 8 months since I've had it. One time was to move my connection from the NYC POP to the Boston POP (providing much better connectivity in the process), and the most recent time was due to lightning blowing out my modem. They replaced it for free. I am a little worried about Covad, though. That's why I did not go for the "save $10 by paying for a year in advance" deal. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 31, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Aaron Haviland

webmaster(a)atari-users.net said: > If you are paying an extra $30 for Charter.. sounds like you have the business > connection. Of which I believe you can host a site on. If you just want a > static IP, that is $10 extra a month. > > Rob > rmahlert(a)charter.net Well, in my experience, running services is more important than having a static IP, as people don't tend to remember the IP address anyway. I'd been using dyndns (http://www.dyndns.org) for a year on dialup, and requested the ability to run various services when I upgraded to cable, and they gave me the static IP. -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net I need to learn spanish..I only know one sentence, and its not very nice... got it from some Mexican brick layers - kepe

Aug. 31, 2001

DLS/Cable [ Was Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?]

by Stephen C. Daukas

This may or may not be helpful, but I'll bring it up anyway... You have three options, as I see it: 1. Live outside of Worcester 2. Live in a different part of Worcester 3. Get your own line I mention 1 & 2 because two friends recently moved from Worcester to surrounding towns and one of the unsolicited comments was regarding better connectivity... The other story is that two other friends have very different stories to tell based on where they live in Worcester - one friend lives near UMass, the other over near Quinsig. Admittedly, this is anecdotal, but what the hell. It also sounds like you may be tied to WPI, so... The third option, in light of the poor track record of DSL, is to see what you can do with a local provider. If your industrious enough, get a bunch of people to chip in for your own line at the level you are comfortable with (speed versus money). I know of one group that did this with only 3 people. They split the cost three ways and, in two of the three's cases, they got some reimbursement form their employer (then re-worked the per person cost)... Brought the individual cost to the same level as a typical business account, but they had their own pipe. Just my two bits worth. Steve PS. I read the posting of the story about multiple installs with a smile as this was my experience in Shrewsbury a while back. To make a long story short, I ended up with cable service from the town. A little rough in the beginning (as they were starting out), but it has been nothing but smooth sailing from then on. I had DSL, switched to Cable, then back to DSL, then back to Cable. During my hiatus from the town cable, the town fired their last provider and brought on a new sub... A much better story than DSL at this point in time, if only because the DSL market is so unstable right now. Just goes to show that nothing is perfect. At 07:43 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all - > I'm new to the area.. living near the WPI campus. >Is anyone here happy with their DSL service? > > Right now I've got DSL service from Earthlink. Man, >they suck. The thing goes out for a week at a time & all >they do is ask me to power cycle my modem & then say >its a Verizon problem & I must wait for Verizon to fix it. > > This time I'm getting 400ms pings & terrible bandwidth (50kbps... >and not as smooth as a modem) > > Anyone know if going with a different DSL provider would >improve things? > > I'm not sure who Earthlink uses locally, but they always >say its a Verizon problem. > > Speakeasy uses Covad. Perhaps I should switch? > >Thank you - >Matt >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 31, 2001

RE: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by webmaster＠atari-users.net

If you are paying an extra $30 for Charter.. sounds like you have the business connection. Of which I believe you can host a site on. If you just want a static IP, that is $10 extra a month. Rob rmahlert(a)charter.net -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Aaron Haviland Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:19 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester? Richard Goodman said: > Put the house on Charter cable for a couple of weeks. I think about 6 > service calls in the first week due to signal strength problems. They > do not currently cover my office area, but may within next six > months. Got about 600-700kbps downloads from them. They do have > static IPs for an extra $10 a month, I think. Their tech support is > outsourced. Damn, they're charging me an extra $30/month for static IP... But I'm not in Worcester, and I can't get DSL. maybe they have different pricing for people that don't have any other choice? *grin* -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net Beauty is elusive. It's meant to be painted from memory, not captured in an instant with a piece of technology _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 31, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Richard Goodman

>Hi all - > I'm new to the area.. living near the WPI campus. >Is anyone here happy with their DSL service? I've probably set the record for the number of high-bandwidth providers I've tried. I have two locations, a residence off Salisbury St and an office on Lancaster, several blocks from WPI. Started with Flashcom/Northpoint (2 DSL lines) - fairly reliable under they went bust. Service taken over by Telocity - also fairly reliable Then Northpoint went bust. Telocity offered me Verizon, so I passed. Put the house on Charter cable for a couple of weeks. I think about 6 service calls in the first week due to signal strength problems. They do not currently cover my office area, but may within next six months. Got about 600-700kbps downloads from them. They do have static IPs for an extra $10 a month, I think. Their tech support is outsourced. Put the house on Qwest Business Service SDSL as well as a third site (also near WPI). They bumble around a lot like any big organization. Lost service for a week in July due to a claimed router malfunction in Newark (took out most of Northeast for them) and the Code Red virus took all their end-user Cisco routers out for over a week before Cisco came up with a patch. They only guarantee 80% of the bandwidth you buy, and I don't ever seem to get more than that. They do get things fixed and they're big enough to be around a while. On the other hand I've got 5 static IPs from them at each location. Currently running fine. Put the office on Galaxy/Rhythms 768/384 line sharing. Complained about the speed, was only getting 620. They were genuinely concerned, tweaked the line, and left me with 1mbps. Reliability excellent. Unfortunately while on vacation 3 weeks ago I read in the Wall Street Journal that they were shutting down in 30 days (Rhythms Chapter 11). Have an order in for Speakeasy 384SDSL for the office, expect to go live with it on Sept 6th (3 weeks, a record). Speakeasy's online order status system is incredible. They use Covad. To set the record straight, Covad has filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy, but claims it will not affect the operation of their DSL network. We'll see. I've never had a provider blame Verizon for anything. Only time they were to blame, some poor Verizon voice guy disconnected the line to my home DSL. I called Qwest and there was a Verizon guy there 9am the next morning (Saturday, pouring rain) to fix it. So I guess I'm on my ninth install now. There aren't a lot of good choices left. All I know is I won't put all my eggs in any one basket again. Dick -- ------------------------------------------------- Richard Goodman dick(a)goodman1.net ---> Home: (508) 753-DICK trader(a)goodman1.net ---> Work: (508) 757-3452 voice/fax

Aug. 31, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by Aaron Haviland

Richard Goodman said: > Put the house on Charter cable for a couple of weeks. I think about 6 > service calls in the first week due to signal strength problems. They > do not currently cover my office area, but may within next six > months. Got about 600-700kbps downloads from them. They do have > static IPs for an extra $10 a month, I think. Their tech support is > outsourced. Damn, they're charging me an extra $30/month for static IP... But I'm not in Worcester, and I can't get DSL. maybe they have different pricing for people that don't have any other choice? *grin* -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net Beauty is elusive. It's meant to be painted from memory, not captured in an instant with a piece of technology

Aug. 31, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working?

by Charles R . Anderson

On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:24:39PM -0400, Matt Pease wrote: matt> I'm wondering now, is anyone on this list in Worcester using matt> DSL? If so, with who & is it working fully now? I use Speakeasy. They are an excellent DSL company. My DSL only went down two or three times in the 8 months since I've had it. One time was to move my connection from the NYC POP to the Boston POP (providing much better connectivity in the process), and the most recent time was due to lightning blowing out my modem. They replaced it for free. I am a little worried about Covad, though. That's why I did not go for the "save $10 by paying for a year in advance" deal.

Aug. 31, 2001

anyone using DSL in Worcester? is it working?

by Matt Pease

OK.. so no cable for me. I'm wondering now, is anyone on this list in Worcester using DSL? If so, with who & is it working fully now? Thank again- Matt ps. I use linux.

Aug. 31, 2001

RE: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by webmaster＠atari-users.net

Charter is the only game in town.. I was debating switching to DSL.. maybe I'll re-think it. Rob rmahlert(a)charter.net -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Matt Pease Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester? Nope. No Charter cable around here. Does someone else do it? > > I'm not sure who Earthlink uses locally, but they always > >say its a Verizon problem. > > > > Speakeasy uses Covad. Perhaps I should switch? > > Everyone uses Verizon wires since they own the infrastructure throughout > New England. If you get DSL from Verizon at least there will not > be anyone > else to point the finger at. Since Covad is about to go bankrupt > I wouldn't > recommend them. Have you looked into cable modem service in your area? >From what I've read, Covad, after paying their bond holders, will have 225 million to run the business. & they lose 175 million a quarter... So thats another 3-4 months running. I'm starting a little net company thing (good timing!) & need a really fast, solid connection -- for surfing. Thank you- Matt _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 31, 2001

Re: [Wlug] anyone happy with DSL in Worcester?

by John Murphy

On Thursday 30 August 2001 08:36 pm, you wrote: > Nope. No Charter cable around here. Does someone else do it? I thought they had most of Worcester done by now. I live on the West side of Worcester about a mile or two from WPI. Charter was up and running about a year ago. John Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.

Aug. 31, 2001