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Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Charles R . Anderson

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:10:53PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: vapier> i dont know about the 'performance problems' you speak of vapier> when using PPPoE + NAT ... im running 2 linux boxes as routers vapier> on verizon DSL and both get a constant 60kB (which is what vapier> the cap is for my price package). each box does NAT for vapier> 4-5 people, and each has hit 40+days of uptime w/out any vapier> 'performance problems' ... vapier> -mike PPPoE's MTU is 1492 bytes due to the extra PPP header in the Ethernet frame. Hosts sitting behind a NAT will not know of this reduced MTU and still send IP packets that fill up the Ethernet frames up to a maximum size of 1500 bytes. (WinPoET reduces the MTU for the local machine where it is installed.) When the NAT tries to forward these packets, they will need to be fragmented at the point where they enter the PPPoE link. This causes reduced performance, and in some circumstances can cause packets to be dropped on the floor. Normally, Path MTU discovery should take care of discovering the minimum MTU on the complete path from the source to the destination, but many incorrectly configured routers/firewalls on the Internet drop all ICMP traffic, causing mysterious connectivity loss to destinations behind these broken firewalls due to the failure of the Path MTU to work correctly. You could work around this problem by changing the MTU on all your boxes behind the NAT/PPPoE (this involves changing a registry key on Windows), or by using a hack that "clamps" the TCP MSS (Maximum Segment Size) at the NAT. rp-pppoe, for example, has a built-in feature that does this clamping. Older pppoe packages for Linux used a kernel module called mssclampfw to do the clamping. This clamping only works for TCP, though. If you can live with the limitations and hacks required for PPPoE and NAT, fine. I prefer a "real" connection to the internet. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Mike Frysinger

i dont know about the 'performance problems' you speak of when using PPPoE + NAT ... im running 2 linux boxes as routers on verizon DSL and both get a constant 60kB (which is what the cap is for my price package). each box does NAT for 4-5 people, and each has hit 40+days of uptime w/out any 'performance problems' ... -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no > Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple > Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. > > Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like > PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance > problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. > > I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL > companies go. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Rodrigo Gomes

Thanks for the help guys!!! I think I'll sign up for speakeasy, is looking good. Once again, tkz! Rod. -----Original Message----- From: "Rodrigo Gomes" <gomes_k(a)dr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! > > http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/… > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/…

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey

I have Charter in Holden, and it's been excellent. I would call them though... it still takes about 10 minutes to get through, but I have only had to call them once with a problem in the past year. The speed & reliability are great, but the phone/service are pretty slow. jeff -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

I agree with Tim. PPPoE is a pain, but if you have a router (Linksys Befsr41) it's essentially transparent except for maybe a few % performance. Still great compared to 56k. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by webmaster

Hello, Charter has been good.. in the last year I've had only one major outage. The 3Com modem was no good, I purchased the modem instead of "renting" one.. they replaced it for free with a new Motorola modem! As others has said.. e-mail customer service is non-existant. On the phone.. I never waited long. Must have been lucky on that! Speed.. has been good, I haven't seen any problems. The one problem I do have is the TOS doesn't allow servers of any kind, if you want that, you need a business account. Charter also blocks port 80 (http) now. Rob rmahlert(a)charter.net webmaster(a)atari-users.net

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Keller, Tim

Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Clint Moyer

I've had zero problems with Charter for a year now. But you will need to call not email them. The installer is likely to be Linux-illiterate, so let him hook up to a Win* box initially then set up your own config later. I'd also be leery of letting him install a NIC. Make sure you've done that beforehand. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of dibb_jim(a)emc.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:58 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Charles R . Anderson

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 > From: Rodrigo Gomes <gomes_k(a)dr.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- <snip> Rod, I heard so many horror stories about DSL (going out of business, service battles between the ISP and the phone co.) that I went with my cable company (charter). Charter pretty much ignores email -- they are fairly clueless. However, the connection is usually quite good, and very good uptime. I'm on DHCP, and my IP has only changed once, following the worst downtime I've sen following a storm. The only service I expose is ssh and an occasional proxy server. Even after subscribing, I find that they don't pay attention to email, and the wait on the phones is painful. But, since I was already getting cable TV from them, the digital pipeline service made the most sense. Bill

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:26:36PM +0800, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a > chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to > contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If > someone knows a good ISP, let me know! http://www.speakeasy.net/ Reasonable price, full speed, *flawless* service, very reasonable TOS which pretty much lets you do anything (run servers, NAT, etc) as long as you don't cause a problem for anyone else, excellent online management system, reduced setup fees if you're willing to plug in the box yourself. I started my DSL order around 9pm on a Saturday night. 5 minutes later I was able to log into their online system, and view the ongoing order log, which includes correspondence beween Speakeasy and Covad. Two weeks later, the self install kit showed up. I plugged it in, and it just worked, zero problems. Besides, how can you go wrong with an ISP clued enough to provide gaming servers at each POP? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin

Nov. 26, 2001

Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Rodrigo Gomes

Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/…

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Keller, Tim

I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] iPAQ 3835 and linux?

by Brad Noyes

On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 03:14:42PM -0500, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi everyone, hello > Well, I just traded in my old iPAQ and got the new 3835 > (games are possible at last, yea!!!). This version comes > with serial connector, along with the usb one. This means > that, finally, I can get the boot loader installed on my > iPAQ and run linux! Couple of questions first, though... Sounds pretty like a pretty cool unit! > > Has anyone run linux on this version yet? The hardware > is essentially the same, but you never know... from what i understand there is still quite a bit of work to be done with this. I read on the familiar mailing list, that the buttons on the ipaq 38xx are a little different along with the touch screen. So at the moment it is not recommended to run linux on it. (unfortunately i deleted the message, otherwise i would have included it here) > > Which version should I install? Is yopy's distro > available? What about zarus'? Should I use embedded QT, or > go with a straight familiar distro using blackbox? i use QT, which is pretty nice. That runs on top of familiar. You will run QT instead of X. (btw i have a 36xx) > > Does embedded linux able to mount filesystems on secure > memory cards? Just need to know in case I want to get one. not sure. > > Where are good places to get software for embedded linux? > Any good games/emulators? What about running pocketPC > software? http://www.handhelds.org -brad

Nov. 25, 2001

iPAQ 3835 and linux?

by Wesley Allen

Hi everyone, Well, I just traded in my old iPAQ and got the new 3835 (games are possible at last, yea!!!). This version comes with serial connector, along with the usb one. This means that, finally, I can get the boot loader installed on my iPAQ and run linux! Couple of questions first, though... Has anyone run linux on this version yet? The hardware is essentially the same, but you never know... Which version should I install? Is yopy's distro available? What about zarus'? Should I use embedded QT, or go with a straight familiar distro using blackbox? Does embedded linux able to mount filesystems on secure memory cards? Just need to know in case I want to get one. Where are good places to get software for embedded linux? Any good games/emulators? What about running pocketPC software? Has anyone screwed with their spouse's head by using the universal remote yet? I'm looking foward to wiping 2002 off my iPAQ, it's got the ugly "kindergarden" interface that helps me despise XP so much. Wes

Nov. 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by jeff

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 14:18, Keller, Tim wrote: > Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but > when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug SWEET JESUS! is that what really happened? yikes! that's it! i'm taking redhat off ALL my stuff!!! argh! heh...i have debian with the shiny new 2.4.14 kernel and i'm screamin' like a banshee who just got live scampi poured down the front o' his pants! :) peace out to all my wlug homies... -jeff insane radical debian user -- FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #31 A: Chicken Teriyaki. Q: What is the name of the world's oldest kamikaze pilot?

Nov. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by Scott Venier

My guess would be that you upgraded the system and that you built yourself a 2.2.16 kernel on it before the upgrade. I say this because I don't have anything other then 2.4.2-2 in my /lib/modules. Scott On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but > when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 20, 2001

No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by Keller, Tim

Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? Tim.

Nov. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Frank Sweetser

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 11:19:26PM -0500, Pierce C. Barnard wrote: > Hello, I am interested in getting involved in any project that I can put my > Unix skills to use. I want to build up some experience that I can use to ^^^^ > further my career objectives in becoming a network administrator. Does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > anyone need an extra pair of hands for a project? Thanks. So which do you wanna be? Microsoft marketeese aside, caring for a network is a different set of skills than caring for unix servers (though there is a certain amount of overlap), and in any good sized organization the two are likely to be two seperate sets of people. That said, the best way is probably to set up a network with a few machines for yourself. Set up a few machines with a two or three nics each, and play with some simple routing setups. Set up a printer and file server, sharing the same set of files and printers out to multiple client platforms. Install and configure various packages like apache, perl, etc - from the source tarballs. Make your own network cables. Basically, play around, see how badly you can break stuff, and then learn how to fix it! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | If you can't hear me, it's because I'm in parentheses. -- Stephen Wright

Nov. 19, 2001

Question

by Pierce C. Barnard

Hello, I am interested in getting involved in any project that I can put my Unix skills to use. I want to build up some experience that I can use to further my career objectives in becoming a network administrator. Does anyone need an extra pair of hands for a project? Thanks.

Nov. 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Charles R . Anderson

On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:30:51PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: kwright> Does anybody have a copy of Redhat 7.1? If you would bring it to kwright> the meeting I will trade it for a cash incentive or pay for your kwright> beer and pizza, at your option. Sure. I'll bring a copy. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this evening's WLUG meeting due > to a rotten cold and a low grade fever which I seem to have picked up > somewhere. I will miss you, but it's too late to get another date, so I will be there anyway. Does anybody have a copy of Redhat 7.1? If you would bring it to the meeting I will trade it for a cash incentive or pay for your beer and pizza, at your option. I was planning to save postage by ordering 7.1 and 7.2 from cheapbytes at the same time. But as soon as 7.2 came out they quit offering 7.1. Hate to have a gap in my collecion. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 14, 2001

WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this evening's WLUG meeting due to a rotten cold and a low grade fever which I seem to have picked up somewhere. I would encourage all of you to meet this evening, and some brave soul who has been in WLUG for a long time can get up and run the meeting in my absence. Have a beer for me at the Boynton! Here is what I had planned to report to the group this evening. I would like somebody to read this to the group in case folks haven't checked their e-mail before the meeting. 1) WLUG financials I have consolidated the accounts so that all of the WLUG money is in an account at the Lowell Five bank in Chelmsford, MA. I just paid the $50 fee to join the Boston User Groups as was voted at a previous WLUG meeting, and I wrote myself a $75 check for refreshments for the calendar year 2001. That leaves us with approx. $575.00 in the bank, which has been raised through your donations as well as install fest proceeds. 2) Annual Linux Showcase This event was not attended nearly as well as in past years, due in part to the fear of flying and by the fact that many computer people have been recently laid off. There were only half as many vendors as in the past, again due to the economy, I suspect. I found the quality of the techinical talks to be very good. I heard talk that there wouldn't be an ALS next year, but that Maddog was pushing for a small number of more local conferences, perhaps one in Boston. Some cool things which I saw at ALS: a) Linux running on a Compaq iPAQ, one running X and an xterm, the other running Qt Embedded with a bunch of PDA like applications. Refer to http://www.handhelds.org for more information. b) Latest versions of Gnome and KDE in action c) A large number of kernel hackers (including Linus) on one room d) A cluster of small embedded computers built by Los Alamos National Labs, all running Linux out of FLASH memory. e) A great beer selection at the Pacific Coast Brewing Company I personally spoke to Jim Gettys and a representative from the Free Software Foundation (I think his name was Brad, but I have his card). I might be able to get one or both of these folks to come to WLUG to give a talk in the future. I guess I'll have to save the freebies until next month. See ya later, and have a great meeting! Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 14, 2001

Fwd: CALL FOR PAPERS: '02 Usenix Annual Technical/Freenix

by Andy Stewart

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS: '02 Usenix Annual Technical/Freenix Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:49:16 -0800 From: Ann Tsai <ann(a)usenix.org> To: andystewart(a)mediaone.net ATTN:Worcester linux Users' Group Dear Andy, Below is a conference announcement and call for papers for the 2002 USENIX Annual Technical Conference/Freenix Program. Please let me know if you have a more appropriate method for submitting this information. Thank you for your assistance! Best Regards, Ann Tsai USENIX Association/SAGE 2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215 Berkeley, CA. 94710 ph (510) 528-8649 fx (510) 548-5738 www.usenix.org The 2002 USENIX Technical Conference program committee needs your help in developing the best technical conference program of 2002! 2002 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 9-14, 2002 Monterey, CA http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix02/ The program committee seeks original and innovative papers about the applications, architecture, implementation, and performance of modern computing systems. Interesting application topics include, but are not limited to: *Cluster computing *File systems and storage systems *Complexity management *Distributed caching and replication *Mobile code *Mobile/Wireless computing *Networking and network services *Multimedia *Reliability and QoS *Security and privacy *Ubiquitous computing *usage studies *Web technologies *Energy/Power Management *Interoperability of heterogeneous systems Submissions to the General Refereed Sessions Track are due on November 19, 2001. We look forward to receiving your submissions! Carla Ellis, Duke University Program Chair ------------------------------------------------------- 2002 Freenix Program Share your expertise with the open source/freely available software community by submitting a paper to the 2002 FREENIX program. The submission deadline has been extended until November 19th, 2001. Submission guidelines and sample abstracts are available on our Web site: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix02/cfp/ FREENIX is a special track within the USENIX Annual Technical Conference that showcases the latest developments and applications in freely-redistributed technology. The FREENIX track covers the full range of software and source code including, but not limited to Apache, Darwin, FreeBSD, GNOME, GNU, KDE, Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Perl, PHP, Python, Samba, Tcl/Tk and more. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: *Cross-platform source portability and binary compatibility *Desktop metaphors *Distributed and parallel systems *Documentation *File system design *Highly-available systems *Graphical user interface tools *Storage Systems *Highly-scalable and clustered systems *Security *System and user management tools *Quality Assurance *Large scale system management *Print Systems *Free Software development/mgmt *Operating system design *Interesting deployments of free software We look forward to receiving your submissions! Chris Demetriou, Broadcom Corp. Freenix Track Program Chair Carla Ellis, Duke University Program Chair -- Ann Tsai Marketing Coordinator Usenix Association 510-528-8649 x31 ann(a)usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 14, 2001