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Linux World

by Marc Hughes

So... Anyone else going to Linux World in New York next week? If so, feel like grabbing a beer one night down there? -Marc

Jan. 25, 2002

As seen at the last meeting...

by Phillip G Deneault

Chuck Anderson demo'd a PS-RISC system running Debian Linux. I have a similar system that I am offering up for sale. Its an HP 9000 model J210 than has: -2 PA-RISC 120mhz processors -1 gig of memory -2 four gig HVD SCSI drives -SCSI CD-ROM -An extra 10/100 ethernet NIC card(there is already one built in) -VGA adapter(although as Chuck pointed out, the display card isn't supported yet under Linux) -an external HVD SCSI interface as well as an external SCSI-2 interface It all works and currently has a version of HP-UX 11 that I need to wipe before selling it. As stated before, there is a working Linux kernel for it and it would make a great server or at the very least, a great hobby system. $250 or best offer Reply if your interested. Phil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the OpenVMS Guy maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Jan. 23, 2002

Diskless linux kiosk's...

by Keller, Tim

I was looking around and I came across this... its instructions on how Jamie Zawinski setup the PC kiosks in the DNA lounge. http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/src/kiosk/ Tim.

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] The Mac 6100 project

by Wesley Allen

William Smith wrote: >On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Skip Gaede wrote: > >SG>I could use some help with setting up the (Intel) server: DHCP, Cups or LPR >SG>or ..., NFS and getting the directories mounted on the clients at boot time. >SG>If someone would be willing lend a hand with this, please let me know. > >in the interest of making sure that a user can log in on any box, NIS >might be an idea, too... that ties in with the NFS mounting... > I'd be happy to help out, though my use of Linux on the PPC platform is limited, I've set up samba, cups, and other stuff more times than I can count...even if you need a hand lugging equipment around, I'll be happy to help... Wes

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by William Smith

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Michael Frysinger wrote: MF>> well, i know that there was a Be demo that kinda did that... you install MF>> this 53MB mess, and there's this icon on Win*... you hit the icon and MF>> Magic happens, where Be completely takes over. i don't know the full MF>> details of how that worked, but i've seen it. i've never seen Linux do MF>> that, though. MF>the whole clicking on the BE icon basically unloaded windows MF>and loaded the BE kernel ... just like loadlin ahhh... loadlin. those were the days... <g> thanks for the information. i stand (sit?) corrected. i HAVE seen Linux do that before. <g> -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] The Mac 6100 project

by William Smith

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Skip Gaede wrote: SG>I could use some help with setting up the (Intel) server: DHCP, Cups or LPR SG>or ..., NFS and getting the directories mounted on the clients at boot time. SG>If someone would be willing lend a hand with this, please let me know. in the interest of making sure that a user can log in on any box, NIS might be an idea, too... that ties in with the NFS mounting... -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Michael Frysinger

the whole clicking on the BE icon basically unloaded windows and loaded the BE kernel ... just like loadlin -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Smith" <timex(a)kluge.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 01:14 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > AS>On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: > AS>> "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch > AS>> a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." > AS>> > AS>> Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they > AS>> talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? > > well, i know that there was a Be demo that kinda did that... you install > this 53MB mess, and there's this icon on Win*... you hit the icon and > Magic happens, where Be completely takes over. i don't know the full > details of how that worked, but i've seen it. i've never seen Linux do > that, though. > > AS>That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic > AS>and having it come out all wrong. > > just like Radio Shack! <gd&r> > > AS>I wonder if they were trying to hint > AS>about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. > > THAT would be interesing. there used to be a site at www.aolinfo.com or > something that had some preliminary information on how the AOL client > worked (complete with a sample bye-for-byte exchange). i snagged most of > it, which may be a Good Thing... that site isn't available anymore. > > -- > William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by William Smith

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: AS>On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: AS>> "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch AS>> a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." AS>> AS>> Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they AS>> talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? well, i know that there was a Be demo that kinda did that... you install this 53MB mess, and there's this icon on Win*... you hit the icon and Magic happens, where Be completely takes over. i don't know the full details of how that worked, but i've seen it. i've never seen Linux do that, though. AS>That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic AS>and having it come out all wrong. just like Radio Shack! <gd&r> AS>I wonder if they were trying to hint AS>about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. THAT would be interesing. there used to be a site at www.aolinfo.com or something that had some preliminary information on how the AOL client worked (complete with a sample bye-for-byte exchange). i snagged most of it, which may be a Good Thing... that site isn't available anymore. -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 22, 2002

The Mac 6100 project

by Skip Gaede

Folks, Saturday, Andy sent out a note from Rob Belleville asking for help in getting Linux running on some 20-30 Macs. I've looked at the proposal, and Rob's proposal to setup a terminal server is pretty much impossible, as the PROM code for doing remote boot is restricted to the Intel platform. So, the counter proposal is to install the kernel on each box, and use NFS to mount most of the "stuff" needed on the client. This shouldn't be too hard, since all Rob wants to do is print and run a web browser from the clients. (Rob wants the clients to come up with autologon and possibly just start the web browser as well.) I could use some help with setting up the (Intel) server: DHCP, Cups or LPR or ..., NFS and getting the directories mounted on the clients at boot time. If someone would be willing lend a hand with this, please let me know. Another idea: If someone wants to do the server, I'll help out with getting the Macs running. --Skip

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions...

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I played briefly with the alsasound service startup without success. subssn594> So I went back to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local method. I'm not crazy about subssn594> it, but it works. Maybe there is some other config that was necessary subssn594> to use the alsasound start script, but I have limited play time. Have you set up your /etc/modules.conf according to the documentation? Mine looks like this: # ALSA native device support alias char-major-116 snd options snd snd_cards_limit=1 alias snd-card-0 snd-card-intel8x0 options snd-card-intel8x0 snd_ac97_clock=41231 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss # ALSA OSS/Free emulation support alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss Your sound-card-0 and the line right after it will be different, of course. subssn594> I did install xmms, and had some "visual" success. At first, I could subssn594> even see the audio sound levels on the xmms main screen, but then I subssn594> somehow messed it up. In addition, I haven't had any success getting subssn594> sound. Note that I haven't played with MP3 files at all, so I may be subssn594> missing some critical setup. I took a very quick look at esound, but subssn594> there again, limited play time. Any suggestions to put me on the subssn594> right path? ALSA keeps all channels muted by default. Have you run alsamixer and unmuted the channels? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Jan. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions...

by Bill Mills-Curran

Charles, I've played with your suggestions a bit, and I have a few more, if you can help... On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Charles R . Anderson wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:11 -0500 > From: Charles R . Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions... > > The alsa stuff comes with an initscript called alsasound in the utils/ > subdirectory of the source. It gets installed automatically with a > "make install" into /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound. You can enable > alsasound to start automatically with these commands: > > /sbin/chkconfig --add /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound > (only need to do this right after installing the first time) > > /sbin/chkconfig alsasound on > > or start/stop it at any time with these commands: > > /sbin/service alsasound start > /sbin/service alsasound stop > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:42:01PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > subssn594> So, what's the right way to load a module at boot? I played briefly with the alsasound service startup without success. So I went back to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local method. I'm not crazy about it, but it works. Maybe there is some other config that was necessary to use the alsasound start script, but I have limited play time. > > subssn594> 2. What's the best place to get started to be able to receive web > subssn594> radio broadcasts? I haven't found anything very helpful in the RH > subssn594> distro. Maybe I'm not looking for the right thing? > > Not sure, but you can hear the WPI radio station WWPI at > http://radio.wpi.edu/ > > All you need is XMMS. There is a .pls file that gets downloaded. The > .pls file contains a URL which can be loaded into XMMS via "Play > Location". You can also set up your web browser to handle this > automatically with a command line of "/usr/bin/xmms". I did install xmms, and had some "visual" success. At first, I could even see the audio sound levels on the xmms main screen, but then I somehow messed it up. In addition, I haven't had any success getting sound. Note that I haven't played with MP3 files at all, so I may be missing some critical setup. I took a very quick look at esound, but there again, limited play time. Any suggestions to put me on the right path? > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Thanks for your help. Bill

Jan. 20, 2002

AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Tom Guilderson

This is an article from the tech section of todays Washington Post http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html

Jan. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Andy Stewart

On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: > "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch > a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." > > Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they > talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? > > Thanks, > Greg That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic and having it come out all wrong. I wonder if they were trying to hint about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by avedis＠ma.ultranet.com

"But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? Thanks, Greg On 19 Jan 2002, at 13:07, Tom Guilderson wrote: > This is an article from the tech section of todays Washington Post > > http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 19, 2002

Fwd: Millbury Schools...

by Andy Stewart

Hi gang, I just received an e-mail from Rob Bellville from Millbury Public Schools. He has a bunch of old PowerMac 6100s and was wondering if it made sense to convert them to work as thin Linux clients (similar to the Linux terminal server project (ltsp.org)) If somebody would like to take a crack at doing this for a couple of these PowerMacs as a proof of concept, give Rob a shout at rb(a)millbury.net. I've attached Rob's e-mail, which has more detail. Later, Andy ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Millbury Schools... Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:14:25 -0500 From: <rb(a)millbury.net> To: andystewart(a)mediaone.net Andy, I have a thought about a WLUG project for the Millbury Schools. We are disposing of about 20-30 PowerMac 6100s and I was wondering if anyone in the WLUG group had any experience with thin linux terminals (LTSP.org) I've got one of them running mkLinux right now and I have a nice hefty Dell server (1GHz / 512 MB RAM) that could power quite a few of these clients. I'd hate to throw away all these Macs when they could be used somewhere within the district. They are 66 MHz / 40 MB RAM / 600 MB HD with NICs. The only problem at the moment is that timing is critical. They are being stored and need to be removed in the next month. I can let a few of them go to someone who wanted to work on them at home. I'd like to be able to have them be at the very minimum an Internet terminal and maybe run StarOffice or something similar. Let me know your thoughts. Like I said, this project could be done outside of the school and then come back to clone the remaining Macs after they were tested. I would be willing to give a few of them to someone as compensation. I'm still in a hectic school-construction mode so my participation will be limited to a minimum but I would be happy to deliver the Macs to anyone who was willing to give it a go. Also, it would be a good thing to write up for the LTSP.org website as they don't have much in the way of using Macs as thin clients. Thanks! -- Rob --== rb(a)millbury.net ==-- ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Power Mac 6100s...

by Adam ＠ Oak

These are either 66 or 80 mhz PPC 601, Nu-Bus based Macs, hence the limitation to mkLinux and not LinuxPPC. Also I think they take 72 pin EDO. At some point Apple, in their infinite wisdom switched to 168 pin EDO, which a bitch to find. I think that was at the 7300 level though. -Adam On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Michael Frysinger wrote: > what are the specs on it ? > -mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rb(a)millbury.net> > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:56 PM > Subject: [Wlug] Power Mac 6100s... > > > > If anyone is interested in PowerMac 6100s for Linux or otherwise, please > > email me privately. I have a quantity of these units to trade off or sell > > cheap. I'm still working out the logistical details but wanted to see if > > anyone had any interest in these units. > > > > I've got one of them running mkLinux pretty well right now. > > > > - Rob > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Jan. 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Power Mac 6100s...

by Michael Frysinger

what are the specs on it ? -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <rb(a)millbury.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: [Wlug] Power Mac 6100s... > If anyone is interested in PowerMac 6100s for Linux or otherwise, please > email me privately. I have a quantity of these units to trade off or sell > cheap. I'm still working out the logistical details but wanted to see if > anyone had any interest in these units. > > I've got one of them running mkLinux pretty well right now. > > - Rob > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 18, 2002

Power Mac 6100s...

by rb＠millbury.net

If anyone is interested in PowerMac 6100s for Linux or otherwise, please email me privately. I have a quantity of these units to trade off or sell cheap. I'm still working out the logistical details but wanted to see if anyone had any interest in these units. I've got one of them running mkLinux pretty well right now. - Rob

Jan. 18, 2002

win4lin

by Skip Gaede

While looking through Tom's Hardware Guide for motherboard reviews, I ran across an interesting article on Win4Lin (http://www4.tomshardware.com/howto/01q4/011205/index.html) Has anyone used this product, or know any more details? This looks like a slick product... --Skip

Jan. 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] General firewall question

by Richard Goodman

Ziegler's book was the only firewalling book that made sense to me as a newbie 1+ years ago when I was trying to get an IPChains firewall installed on a DSL connected RH7 box. Just noticed this last week that the 2nd edition is out as of Oct 2001, which, while I haven't seen it yet, it is supposed to be updated for IPTables. Dick At 8:58 PM -0500 1/17/02, Andy Stewart wrote: > >One might also opt for a minimal Linux installation with the addition of >the necessary firewall software. I know that SuSE Linux has such an >option in its canned installation. > >Robert Ziegler wrote a book entitled "Linux Firewalls" which I liked, but >it is not for the fainthearted. > >Later, > -- ------------------------------------------------- Richard Goodman dick(a)goodman1.net ---> Home: (508) 753-DICK trader(a)goodman1.net ---> Work: (508) 757-3452 voice/fax

Jan. 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] General firewall question

by Andy Stewart

I played with Coyote Linux briefly, and I believe that it has the ability to do what you want. You might have to play with it a bit. Its advantage is its small size and you don't need a hard drive to run it. However, I seem to remember that you need a Linux system on which to unpack the tar ball and on which to run the scripts that create the single floppy image for the firewall. Double check, as my memory might be foggy. One might also opt for a minimal Linux installation with the addition of the necessary firewall software. I know that SuSE Linux has such an option in its canned installation. Robert Ziegler wrote a book entitled "Linux Firewalls" which I liked, but it is not for the fainthearted. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 18, 2002

General firewall question

by Tim Trachimowicz

Hey folks... I'm currently running Apache on Win2K to serve a small personal webpage through my static IP assigned by my DSL provider. The machine is a "test" server but I'd like to secure it a little more. I've got a spare box sitting around that I'd like to use as a firewall/router, specifically with something like Coyote Linux/the LRP distros. I'm wondering if it's possible to use the DHCP features in such a firewall setup to pass the HTTP requests (router with static IP, server with a 192.168.x.x type IP) to the Win2K box AND limit the connections only to HTTP port 80 on the Win2K box. Next step would be a Win2K mailserver... Does this make sense or would a pure Linux server/IPtables type setup be easier? TIA, --Track _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Jan. 17, 2002

NFS? problem

by Bill Mills-Curran

I have two linux boxes that have nfs-mounted a file system from a DG/UX server. One of them cannot read the directories properly. Here's a short Perl script: **************************************************************** #!/usr/bin/perl opendir(DIR, $ARGV[0]) or die; @files = readdir(DIR); print(join("\n", @files, '')); exit(0); **************************************************************** On server A: % uname -a Linux A 2.4.16 #1 SMP Fri Dec 14 15:31:54 EST 2001 i686 unknown On server B: % uname -a Linux B 2.4.2-2 #1 Sun Apr 8 20:41:30 EDT 2001 i686 unknown B is running the standard RedHat 7.1 kernel, while server A has been upgraded. On B, when I run the test script, supplying the name of an NFS directory (on the DG/UX server), I get the "right stuff" -- a good directory listing. On A, the same operation gives me nothing. No failure or anything. The script works find on local disks and on disks NFS mounted from a Sun server. The A server also has the reiserfs installed on an unrelated drive. The symptom is not limited to perl scripts. I get strange behavior from tcsh, too. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

Jan. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PPC distros

by William Smith

On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Nate Godin wrote: NG>From what I see on the NetBSD website, the original LC isn't supported... NG>I have installed NetBSD on my Mac IIci and SE/30, I might just dust the NG>SE/30 and bring it down. oh? i'm not going to get into an argument on it, but i was led to believe that it was the only version that stood a chance of working on that box. <shrug> i read into it, but i never actually got around to installing it. (the LC still has MacOS 7.5.3 on it, i think.) something about the LC not having an FPU... NG>Thanks for the offer though. :) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 16, 2002

RE: [Wlug] signals crossed/entertainment

by Keller, Tim

You obviously have never done support for end users. I could find lots of uses for a "vibratome"... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 18:25 PM To: wlug Subject: [Wlug] signals crossed/entertainment Hi I was following the WLUG flow of messages with regard to offering/needing equipment when I went on to the next message and did a double-take when the first line came up as "We are in need of a vibratome for sectioning pre-fixed brain tissue," Then I realized the flow of WLUG stuff had stopped and I was now getting stuff from a medical list :-) I guess it's just one of those hazards of having a foot in two dissimilar camps! doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 16, 2002