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Re: [Wlug] Humorous signature file...

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > Yeah, I think I know at least one person on the list with this > bumper sticker on his car... > > fsck! :) What a dork! ;) -- Josh Huber

March 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Request from academic researcher -- follow up

by Clint Moyer

Wow! I cannot even imagine a better example of misdirection... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Utpal M. Dholakia Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:01 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Request from academic researcher -- follow up Dear Linux User Group Moderator: I am a faculty member in the Jones school of management at Rice University in Houston, Texas (this may be verified using a Google search with "Paul Dholakia", or "Utpal Dholakia"). We are conducting an academic research project, studying social interactions online, and how communities organized around products or brands are formed, from a sociological perspective. In this regard, LINUX user groups and mailing lists provide a wonderful context to study these sociological issues. We are conducting a survey of members of LINUX user groups/ mailing lists seeking information on different elements of their thoughts, feelings, and motivations of participating in such groups, and the value of the group to them... The survey is available on the web at the following URL: http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 Of course, this research is strictly academic, and has no commercial links or interests whatsoever. We hope to publish this research in a sociology journal. As a small token of our appreciation for participants' time, and in the spirit of the philosophy underlying the open-source movement, we will donate $500 total to the five favorite organizations/ groups of our participants' choice (we ask the participant's to nominate their favorite groups in the survey). I am writing to seek your help in conducting this research, first through participating, and second, through encouraging your user group members to participate in the research.. This will not take more than ten minutes of your (and their time). Broad participation will increase the validity and generalizability of our findings, making the research more useful. We welcome all help, and look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Paul Dholakia Assistant Professor Rice University http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dholakia _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 29, 2002

Request from academic researcher -- follow up

by Utpal M. Dholakia

Dear Linux User Group Moderator: I am a faculty member in the Jones school of management at Rice University in Houston, Texas (this may be verified using a Google search with "Paul Dholakia", or "Utpal Dholakia"). We are conducting an academic research project, studying social interactions online, and how communities organized around products or brands are formed, from a sociological perspective. In this regard, LINUX user groups and mailing lists provide a wonderful context to study these sociological issues. We are conducting a survey of members of LINUX user groups/ mailing lists seeking information on different elements of their thoughts, feelings, and motivations of participating in such groups, and the value of the group to them... The survey is available on the web at the following URL: http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 Of course, this research is strictly academic, and has no commercial links or interests whatsoever. We hope to publish this research in a sociology journal. As a small token of our appreciation for participants' time, and in the spirit of the philosophy underlying the open-source movement, we will donate $500 total to the five favorite organizations/ groups of our participants' choice (we ask the participant's to nominate their favorite groups in the survey). I am writing to seek your help in conducting this research, first through participating, and second, through encouraging your user group members to participate in the research.. This will not take more than ten minutes of your (and their time). Broad participation will increase the validity and generalizability of our findings, making the research more useful. We welcome all help, and look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Paul Dholakia Assistant Professor Rice University http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dholakia

March 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Humorous signature file...

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:46:01AM -0500, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > (The first day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be the > day they start making vacuum-cleaners) Yeah, I think I know at least one person on the list with this bumper sticker on his car... fsck! :) -Chuck

March 29, 2002

Humorous signature file...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Came across this one in a newsgroup: (The first day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum-cleaners) Steve

March 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by Wesley Allen

Skip, That's $80 w/o a windows license. Right? Wes Skip Gaede wrote: >Folks, > >This is not a commercial endorsement. I just installed Win4Lin, the product >that lets you run Windows under Linux, and, for those occasions when you need >Windows, it's very nice. Performance is decent, and there are only a few >enhancements needed: > >1) Max memory supported for Windows is 64 MB >2) Only supports serial, parallel, and virtual NIC (no scanners, USB) >3) No DirectX yet > >They're working on adding those goodies. But I can run Photo-Paint, TurboTax, >some Windows-based Bible software packages, ... all without multibooting. > >At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. > >--Skip >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by Skip Gaede

On Thursday 28 March 2002 08:29 am, you wrote: > On 28 Mar 2002, at 7:31, Skip Gaede wrote: > > Folks, > > <snip> > > Granted, I haven't used wine in quite some time, nor do I use the > windows products you mentioned, but doesn't wine support them? > > Though, I remember wine being not fun to setup, so a "plug-and- > play" win emu product is cool > > James > KB1FJQ I looked into buying Photo-Paint for Linux, and as I recall, they had a munged version of wine for their product. Not only that, they had a different munged version of wine to support their latest version of Corel Office (whatever it's called). This version is being supplied to the government, and they have an agreement with Mandrake as well. The web site is http://www.netraverse.com --Skip

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 28 Mar 2002, at 7:31, Skip Gaede wrote: > Folks, > <snip> Granted, I haven't used wine in quite some time, nor do I use the windows products you mentioned, but doesn't wine support them? Though, I remember wine being not fun to setup, so a "plug-and- play" win emu product is cool James KB1FJQ > At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. > > --Skip > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 28, 2002

Win4Lin

by Skip Gaede

Folks, This is not a commercial endorsement. I just installed Win4Lin, the product that lets you run Windows under Linux, and, for those occasions when you need Windows, it's very nice. Performance is decent, and there are only a few enhancements needed: 1) Max memory supported for Windows is 64 MB 2) Only supports serial, parallel, and virtual NIC (no scanners, USB) 3) No DirectX yet They're working on adding those goodies. But I can run Photo-Paint, TurboTax, some Windows-based Bible software packages, ... all without multibooting. At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. --Skip

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 25 March 2002 11:59 am, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host > > adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide > > Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) > > Warning - detected auto-termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: > > (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. Mar 25 > > 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the > > device termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec > > SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: > > (scsi0) during machine bootup. > > This just means the card is set to detect if termination is in place. You > can turn it off you have terminators on all the appropriate ends, but it > doesn't really matter. > > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, > > Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal > > cable configuration!! Only two Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) > > connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! > > Apparently, you can only use 2 of the 3 connectors on the card (external > 68-pin, internal 50-pin, and and internal 68-pin). I've never run into > that one before, myself. You must choose, but choose... wisely. > > -b > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Note: You can attach a narrow drive to a wide cable with a 68 --> 50 pin adapter. I have a wide drive and a narrow tape device and they are both connected to my wide cable...

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:55:51AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > My recollection agrees with this error message, which is basically that > you're not supposed to be using all 3 of the SCSI connectors on the card. To clarify, I used to have a AHA-2940W and found this to be true. I poked at Adaptec's website for you (sorry about the hideously long URL here): http://ask.adaptec.com/cgi-bin/adaptec_tic.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_si… Q: I'm thinking of attaching multiple SCSI devices on my SCSI controller. Can I use all connector available on my SCSI controller? Can I use all Internal and External connectors of my SCSI controller simultaneously? This information applies to the following product(s): - AVA-2906, AHA-2930, AHA-2930C, AHA-2930CU, AHA-2940, AHA-2940U, AHA- 2940W, AHA-2944W, AHA-2944UW, AHA-2940UW, AHA-3940 series, AHA-3940U, AHA-3940W, AHA-3940UW,2940U2W, AHA-2930U2, 3950U2, Adaptec SCSI Card- 19160, Adaptec SCSI Card-29160N, Adaptec SCSI Card-29160, Adaptec SCSI Card- 39160 A: It is possible to use all internal and external connectors simultaneously on all currently produced Adaptec's SCSI cards/controllers. Just make sure you have the proper SCSI cables, terminations on your SCSI Bus and devices. Caution: This is with the exception of the AHA-2940W and AHA-2940UW controllers. The only 2940UW series controller to support the use of all three connectors at the same time, was the AHA-2940UW Pro. For informational purposes only, the AHA-2940W and AHA-2940UW legacy SCSI cards/ controllers came with three SCSI connectors (two internal and one external). However You can only use any two connectors simultaneously with these controllers. You can either use one connector internally while using the external connector; or use both internal connectors simultaneously but you must not have any device or cable attached externally. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: A collision is a near-miss.

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Brian J. Conway

> Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) during machine bootup. This just means the card is set to detect if termination is in place. You can turn it off you have terminators on all the appropriate ends, but it doesn't really matter. > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! Apparently, you can only use 2 of the 3 connectors on the card (external 68-pin, internal 50-pin, and and internal 68-pin). I've never run into that one before, myself. You must choose, but choose... wisely. -b

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:48:57AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! > > > Other than these messages, the disk seems to be working fine. I've > tried different termination settings on the disk, but nothing has > helped. There is a terminator on the scsi cable, and I did not change > it. > > Any ideas? My recollection agrees with this error message, which is basically that you're not supposed to be using all 3 of the SCSI connectors on the card. Are you actually using all three (internal narrow and wide, and the external wide,) or is that an error? If it's an error, then you probably want to check for an auto-termination setting in the SCSI BIOS. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "How to Boil Water, in 500 easy steps" by Chuck Forsberg.

March 25, 2002

SCSI error message

by Bill Mills-Curran

I added a 2nd disk to my linux box, and I'm getting these messages at boot. (I'm not 100% sure they are new messages, because it's been a long time since I've booted.) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) during machine bootup. Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! Other than these messages, the disk seems to be working fine. I've tried different termination settings on the disk, but nothing has helped. There is a terminator on the scsi cable, and I did not change it. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] normal boot up (was: new mandrake)

by Brad Noyes

Thanks Brian and Jeff for the repsonses. I did remove bootsplash, and no more splash screen. Now when i boot up i don't see any kernel messages or and services start up. I only see message displayed when a service fails. Anyone now how to get my boot to display all the messages? so far the new mandrake 'features' have been somewhat annoying. Thanks, --brad

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] /dev permissions & ownership

by Charles R. Anderson

On Red Hat systems, pam_console is configured by default to change the permissions on certain console devices (floppy, cdrom, sound, etc.) when users login/logout of the console. This is done so the console user automatically can use these devices when they log in, and the permissions revert to root when they log out. This is completely configurable through the /etc/security/console.perms file. On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:19:05PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of subssn594> them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My subssn594> daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea subssn594> what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the subssn594> permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which subssn594> device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the subssn594> cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] /dev permissions & ownership

by Skip Gaede

On Saturday 23 March 2002 06:19 pm, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of > them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My > daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea > what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the > permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which > device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the > cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) > The script that creates the device files is called MAKEDEV. I don't know what distro you have, but check your CD (or web site) for the script. You may find that it was left in the /dev directory, and all you need to do is execute it. If you use devfs, the devices are created at boot time. --Skip

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] wanted: inexpensive server

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 22 Mar 2002, at 17:33, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: <SNIP> > Again, thanks in advance for any pointers you can send! I would suggest an IBM PC Server 704 like her: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011623032 1/2/4-way PPro, up to three redundant power supplies, 12 hot swappable SCSI bays, and sex appeal, IMHO :) Granted, it's not a whiz-bang 8-way Xeon of doom, but it's a pretty robust platform. James KB1FJQ > -- > --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- > --==*==-- > mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 24, 2002

/dev permissions & ownership

by Bill Mills-Curran

I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) TIA, Bill

March 23, 2002

wanted: inexpensive server

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

A small cash-strapped startup just had their email/web/etc. server die on them (hardware issue), and is looking for an inexpensive replacement. If you either have an older server kicking around that you'd like to pass along, or if you can point me to somewhere (like an equipment sale) that may have a box that'll fit the bill, I'd love to hear about it. (We're hoping for something less expensive (or better equipped for the same price) than the new $3000 box that we've been quoted.) Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. :) The main requirements that I was given for a replacement is: dual power supplies 6 drive bays PC-based (Intel/AMD and the like) Plusses: larger amount of hard drive space (the biggest plus) rack-mount Compaq better processor or memory SCSI hot-swappable drives The box will eventually be running Windows 2000 Server and Exchange (but the box that died was a Pentium (something) @200MHz and managed ok (SMALL startup company), so processor speed/memory isn't a major issue). The box will preferrably be running RAID5. As it's a W2k networked site, there's probably going to be a bunch of emailed Office files, so a large amount of HD space is what we're going for. If you need any more information about our needs, feel free to email me. If you don't quite know if the system that you have will work out for us, let me know anyways and I can pass the info along to our main IT guy. Again, thanks in advance for any pointers you can send! -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

March 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Brad Noyes

It does run Qtopia (f.k.a. QT palmtop). I think it also comes with Opera embeded as well. I have Qtopia running on my Ipaq. There's more info at http://qpe.sourceforge.net. It's pretty functional, i think that the one thing it's missing is natural handwriting recognition. It only have a character recognizer like the palm. On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:12:38PM -0500, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have > any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Marc Hughes

I got to play with one of these at linux world. I saw ssh working over wireless networking on one of them... definatly linux, definatly cool. The interface is QT-Embeded, but you can find way more about it here: http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,699,00.html http://developer.sharpsec.com/ -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:13 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2002

Sharp's Linux PDA

by Stephen C. Daukas

I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? Steve

March 22, 2002

System for sale

by John Stoffel

Guys, One of my co-workers is trying to sell of a system, anyone interested? Here's the specs, send email to 'gc22(a)lucent.com' if you want to discuss it. For Sale: AMD Athlon 900MHz CPU Asus A7V Motherboard 256MB (133MHz) SDRAM 30GB ATA-100 HDD 50x CD-ROM Matrox Millennium G450 Dual-Head Video (16MB) 3Com 3C905B-TX 10/100 Mbps NIC SoundBlaster Live! Audio John

March 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] new mandrake

by jeff

Brad Noyes wrote: > > Hi all, > i installed the latest mandrake a earlier this week. When i boot the system into linux i get this grphical screen showing the progress of the boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? I find it to be kind of annoying, and want my regular console. > > Thanks, > --brad > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug you poor thing...USE DEBIAN! AH HA HA! j/k seriously, i believe the package you want to remove is called Aurora...i think. do a rpm -q for Aurora and see what comes up. good luck and remeber, who cares what flavor...linux, much like ice-cream...it's all good... peace -jeff

March 22, 2002