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Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Chuck Haines

I've been using gentoo since the earliest beta versions. Its an amazing distro and i have been very happy with it. I have actually done a few ebuilds myself. Its a very powerful distro with a lot of configuration options that can allow you to really customize your distro. Also the irc channel on openprojects has provided me with more help than any other distro i've tried (and I've triend plenty, over 50 at last count). just my $0.02 At 09:11 PM 8/5/2002 -0400, desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: >Just putting the finishing touches on my first gentoo linux >installation. Took >between 15 and 20 hours on a Dual PPro, it might have gone quicker, but the >boot-cd's kernel doesn't support SMP. > >It's a pretty neat distro. > >James >(Thanks to John) > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIm: CyberGrex | | WPILA Lab Manger | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice."

Aug. 6, 2002

Gentoo

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

Just putting the finishing touches on my first gentoo linux installation. Took between 15 and 20 hours on a Dual PPro, it might have gone quicker, but the boot-cd's kernel doesn't support SMP. It's a pretty neat distro. James (Thanks to John)

Aug. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] give away's and trades!

by Michael Frysinger

ill buy the p3 and i can offer a variety of pci vid cards ;) voodoo banshee, some diamond cards, even an ati or 2 -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 12:56 Subject: [Wlug] give away's and trades! > Trades: > A buddy of mine is looking for a 32mb PCI video card. He'd be willing to > trade 2, 800mhz pentium 3's. > > I've also got a 800mhz Pentium 3 with a fan and a socket 370 to socket 1 > gender bender I'd be willing to part with for 20 bucks. > > What's the status on the BBQ? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 5, 2002

give away's and trades!

by Keller, Tim

Trades: A buddy of mine is looking for a 32mb PCI video card. He'd be willing to trade 2, 800mhz pentium 3's. I've also got a 800mhz Pentium 3 with a fan and a socket 370 to socket 1 gender bender I'd be willing to part with for 20 bucks. What's the status on the BBQ? Thanks, Tim.

Aug. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ!!!

by David Goss

i'll be there... the force willing Dave Goss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)attbi.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ!!! > > Hi Everybody, > > Although I have not yet updated the WLUG website, the WLUG BBQ is going to > happen! > > The BBQ will be held in Shrewsbury at Doug Waud's house like it was 2 years > ago. Directions are forthcoming. Thanks, Doug! > > Our next meeting of WLUG will be at the BBQ on Thursday, August 22, 2002. The > BBQ will start around 6 PM and go until Doug kicks us out (watch it, he has > Steve as his bouncer). If you can't make it at 6 PM, show up whenever you > can. > > WLUG will supply the food and munchies and will have sodas on hand. You may > BYOB (beer, wine, whatever) if you wish. If you would like to bring a salad > or dessert, feel free! Label your container with your name to insure its > return. > > Doug has a swimming pool which we can use, so if you are interested, bring a > bathing suit and towel. Its not clear to me if one must actually *wear* the > bathing suit. > > We'll rig up some kind of projection system for a LInux talk of some flavor. > It may end up getting used by some of you ASCII Art fanatics, but that's OK > too. ;-) What good would a Linux party be without an Internet connection, a > projector, and a laptop or three? > > Please RSVP to me and let me know that you'll be coming. In this way, we can > be sure to have enough food on hand. > > Other party ideas? Send them out to the list! > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Keith Wright

> At 09:03 PM 7/25/2002, James wrote: > I'm trying to teach myself pascal. Anyone know of any > used book stores that have a decent computer section? I > tried Another Story on Stafford St., but he didn't have > anything for pascal. I dug around to find the name of the book store near Webster square that I like. It turns out to be "Another Story" at 1145 Main St. Stafford is around the corner, so I guess that's what you meant. There are several other used book stores in town (check the phone book), but most of them have pitiful computer sections. The people who run book stores seem to be totally unqualified to distinguish timeless classics of CS from obsolete manufacturer's litter-ature. > From: "Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen(a)daukas.com> > > The question is, why Pascal? No, that was not the question. Since he asked about Pascal, I will refrain from raving on about how he should learn Algol68 and Haskell and numerical analysis and Russian (though of course he should). > Delphi does C++ too... In any event, the book for Pascal > is by Nicholas Wirth (the creator of the language). It is > a small black covered book that looks more like a journal > than a text. If memory serves, it is called something > like "Data Structures and Algorithms using Pascal." I > taught from this book some 18 years ago at BU... I liken > it to K&R on C and C++ - dense, but very useful. You may be conflating: Jensen, K. and Wirth, N. "PASCAL User Manual and Report", Springer-Verlag (1975), the main reference definition of the language, which has been published under several covers, but usually some variant of the typical Springer silver grey, with "Algorithm + Data Structures = Programs" by Wirth alone, which is an typical undergraduate data structures textbook using Pascal (or something like it) for the examples. This book would not be much use for learning Pascal. The User Manual and Report should be required reading for anyone who is at all serious about Pascal. It is indeed like the Kernighan and Ritchie book called "The C Programming Language", in that it is the definitive description of the basic language before a dozen people and corporations embraced and extended it. I don't think K&R ever wrote anything about C++, that is Stroustrup's baby (or bastard). -- Keith

Aug. 4, 2002

Wireless networking with LInksys WAP11 and WPC11

by Andy Stewart

HI all, I finally got WEP to work with this hardware ! The trick is to download the firmware update to the WAP11 wireless access point and install it. The firmware version is 1.01c and it came out just a few days ago. Now, of course, the install program only runs in Windows. I inquired about non-Windows solutions. One can use tftp to transfer the binary image to the WAP11 to do the firmware upgrade and it does work! One must first disable the WAP11 password and also disable the MAC address filter. Of course, this is totally non-supported, we support windows only, we're sorry for your inconvenience, yada, yada, yada. I'm using the orinoco{_cs} driver without problems. I tried wlan-ng but could not get it to work at all. The configuration of wlan-ng is quite confusing to me. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 4, 2002

Laptop for Sale

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

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Aug. 3, 2002

test #2

by Frank Sweetser

wlug test #2 for today

July 31, 2002

WLUG mailing list

by Frank Sweetser

The WLUG list should be fixed for everyone now. If anyone knows of any problems with it, feel free to email me directly. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy |

July 31, 2002

testing

by Frank Sweetser

test #1 for today

July 31, 2002

off-campus test message

by Frank Sweetser

Just another test message to make sure the list is working properly...

July 31, 2002

test message

by Frank Sweetser

There's been some issues with the new mail server setup on campus, so this is a test message to make sure it gets out... -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Perl has a long tradition of working around compilers. -- Larry Wall in <199708252256.PAA00105(a)wall.org>

July 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

(thanks for the other replies, I just picked one) On 26 Jul 2002 at 8:03, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > At 07/25/2002 09:03 PM (Thursday), desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: > >I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of > Freepascal, >and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should > get something done >while I'm out pounding pavement. >Anyone know of > any used book stores that have a decent computer section? > > The Micro Center book section (in Cambridge) has probably the best > selection. Still not good, though, for Pascal books. > <SNIP about borland> My intent is to learn TP(BP), not ISO-pascal, and poke around in delphi on the way. > > All the other current open source efforts are trying for compatibility > with this de facto standard. Therefore, if you find a book on Kylix > you should do well learning about the whole group. Yeah.

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 09:03 PM 7/25/2002, James wrote: >yeah.... >I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of Freepascal, >and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should get something done >while I'm out pounding pavement. >Anyone know of any used book stores that have a decent computer section? >I tried Another Story on Stafford St., but he didn't have anything for >pascal. :( The question is, why Pascal? Delphi does C++ too (C++ Builder uses the same development environment)... In any event, the book for Pascal is by Nicholas Wirth (the creator of the language). It is a small black covered book that looks more like a journal than a text. If memory serves, it is called something like "Data Structures and Algorithms using Pascal." I taught from this book some 18 years ago at BU... I liken it to K&R on C and C++ - dense, but very useful. Having no idea what your background is, If you are interested in "tooling up" but what to do it slowly, there are some other ways to go. The two languages that top my list are Python and Java. Java is very popular and gives you all the OOP concepts you would need, and it has the advantage that it doesn't suffer from the issues C++ does (specifically, backwards compatibility with C). Having said that, it is very C/C++ like in syntax. The book for Java is "Thinking in Java" by Bruce Eckel. He also has a book under the title of "Thinking in C++". Python is interesting. Python is often used as "executable pseudocode" and, depending on what you are going after, it may be the ticket. Then again, Java on your resume will get you hired before Python will. ;-) As a total aside, you might also want to have a look at Martin Fowler's "UML Distilled". UML is very useful for programming and Martin is an expert. I know him from my days at OMG (a standards organization) where he worked on the committee that dealt with UML. A very fast talking Brit with a marvelous sense of humor. His book is the book for UML. Regards, Steve

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Doug Chamberlin

At 07/25/2002 09:03 PM (Thursday), desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: >I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of Freepascal, >and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should get something done >while I'm out pounding pavement. >Anyone know of any used book stores that have a decent computer section? The Micro Center book section (in Cambridge) has probably the best selection. Still not good, though, for Pascal books. Be aware that the historical Pascal you may have been exposed to as a student in the past has changed considerably over the years. Borland has "owned" Pascal for over a decade and defined more extensions than there were original language constructs. The current "Delphi Pascal" is far closer to C++ than any other single language and is as completely object oriented as C++ is. This is the "Pascal" of Kylix and is a truly useful language since it retains much of the useful type-safe, single pass attributes of the original Pascal effort. Even with the rich features now available you will not find a faster compile-test-fix-compile cycle anywhere for a fully compiled language. All the other current open source efforts are trying for compatibility with this de facto standard. Therefore, if you find a book on Kylix you should do well learning about the whole group.

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Josh Huber

Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> writes: > python, perl, tcl, ruby(I've heard great things bout ruby), Yeah, ruby is fun. I highly recommend it! -- Josh Huber

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Karl Hiramoto

Madness is right. Use your time on something more usefull such as ANYTHING ELSE :) python, perl, tcl, ruby(I've heard great things bout ruby), If your a beginner, i'd say learn C. On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: > yeah.... > I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of Freepascal, > and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should get something done > while I'm out pounding pavement. > Anyone know of any used book stores that have a decent computer section? > I tried Another Story on Stafford St., but he didn't have anything for pascal. :( > > Any help is appreciated, > Thanks > James > KB1FJQ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Is he the MAGIC INCA carrying a FROG on his shoulders?? Is the FROG his GUIDELIGHT?? It is curious that a DOG runs already on the ESCALATOR ...

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by doug waud

Hi desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: > > yeah.... > I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of Freepascal, > and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should get something done > while I'm out pounding pavement. > Anyone know of any used book stores that have a decent computer section? > I tried Another Story on Stafford St., but he didn't have anything for pascal. :( > > Any help is appreciated, I have a couple of Pascal books (forget which specifically, I'm up at the cottage and they are down in Mass) which you are welcome to borrow as long as I have a fighting chance of getting them back some time (no rush at all). If you are interested, let me know fairly soon since I shall be coming down to Shrewsbury tomorrow (Friday evening) for the weekend (the kids in our house are coming up here). doug

July 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Pascal madness?

by Charles R. Anderson

I have an old book on the USCD P-system... :) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

July 26, 2002

Pascal madness?

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

yeah.... I'm trying to teach myself pascal. What with the new release of Freepascal, and what with Delphi6/Kylix being out, I figure I should get something done while I'm out pounding pavement. Anyone know of any used book stores that have a decent computer section? I tried Another Story on Stafford St., but he didn't have anything for pascal. :( Any help is appreciated, Thanks James KB1FJQ

July 26, 2002

NFS, anyone?

by Skip Gaede

Hi, I have a server running Mandrake 8.2. I had a problem unmounting a CDROM (I hate supermount!), so I rebooted the server. On the way back up, the NFS service hung. This is now the second time this has happened. (The first time, I attributed it to students messing with the server, and reinstalled everything.) Now, after two days of getting things back to normal, it's happened again, this time sans students. I'm writing this from home, as the school's link to the Internet is down. Anyone know where the relevant state data for NFS is stashed? Thanks, Skip

July 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Shell Script Question

by Gary J. Hanley

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Pro: You don't need to use extra resources to get the job done Right. I guess that was obvious but I thought I'd ask anyway in case that wasn't as apparent as I saw it. > Con: It's not directly portable to other platforms Good point. I do most of my shell scripting at work on Solaris and portability isn't an immediate issue, but something to be aware of anyway.

July 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Shell Script Question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 10:05:27AM -0400, Gary J. Hanley wrote: > Can anyone tell me the pros & cons of coding your shell scripts to > stay in-process instead of spawning a child process when needed? The ones that immediately come to mind: Pro: You don't need to use extra resources to get the job done Con: It's not directly portable to other platforms /bin/sh on Linux is really bash. /bin/sh everywhere else that I know of is just sh and doesn't have the capabilities. If you want to be portable, don't rely on built-ins. If you don't care, use built-ins. For example: T=/path/to/file echo $T ${T##*/} Linux: $ sh t /path/to/file file Solaris: $ sh t t: bad substitution -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "...and scantily clad females, of course. Who cares if it's below zero outside" (By Linus Torvalds)

July 23, 2002

Shell Script Question

by Gary J. Hanley

Greetings! A shell script question: Can anyone tell me the pros & cons of coding your shell scripts to stay in-process instead of spawning a child process when needed? For example, ${VARIABLE##*/} instead of `basename $VARIABLE` I'm trying to use the former as much as possible now but I wasn't exactly sure if that is better, not so safe or just doesn't matter. Thanks! -- Gary

July 23, 2002