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Re: [Wlug] RH7.3 Questions

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 10:48:55PM -0500, Richard Goodman wrote: dick> On Q2, yes I really mean to run dhcpd to issue IP#s to selected dick> client machines on the internal network. I'm confident that my dick> dhcpd.conf is correct, and it is called by "dhcpd eth1". This was dick> running under RH7.0. I installed the dhcpd RPM off the 7.3 CD (don't dick> have version info here) Ok, I just looked at the RH 7.3 dhcp package. You can put this in /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd: DHCPDARGS="eth1" Then set the service to start automatically with: /sbin/chkconfig dhcpd on and start it right now with: /sbin/service dhcpd start However, if you have specified eth1, it probably isn't starting due to problem #1. You would see a message from the DHCP server in /var/log/messages to that effect. dick> 1b) /sbin/ifconfig shows only "lo" and "eth0" and nothing for "eth1" Yes, but what does "/sbin/ifconfig eth1" show? By default, ifconfig without any arguments only shows interfaces that are UP. By specifying eth1 explicitly, it will print out that interface whether it is UP or DOWN. Alternatively, you can do "/sbin/ifconfig -a" to show all interfaces, UP or DOWN. dick> 1c) There is no /etc/modules.conf file on my machine. Strange. Is there a /etc/conf.modules? There really should be one of those two. Otherwise, eth0 most likely wouldn't work, either, unless you compiled it into the kernel. dick> 1d) I think the module is 8139too, because when I temporarily pulled dick> the Realtek card (eth1) I got a message during the attempt to startup dick> ETH1 complaining about that module by name (did not get complete dick> message). Ok, so /etc/modules.conf should have at least this in it: alias eth0 tulip alias eth1 8139too dick> I did some fiddling with modprobe (which I don't understand) after dick> reading section 2.3 of the Ethernet How-To (Using more than one dick> Ethernet Card per machine). From the startup post screen I can see dick> the Ethernet cards are on IRQs 10 & 9, and from the ifconfig I see dick> that eth0 is 0x8000, but I couldn't get the address for eth1. Do I dick> need it? These are PCI cards, right? Then you don't need any of that. The PCI BIOS autoconfigures the IRQ's and addresses. What you can do is: /sbin/lspci -v and check to see if your Realtek shows up there. In there it should also have IRQ's and addresses assigned. This command should get things going manually: /sbin/modprobe 8193too After that, check "dmesg" output and see if there are any error messages about loading 8139too. If not, "/sbin/ifup eth1" should start up the network on that interface. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 3, 2002

Server For Sale

by JV

Sometime around April I bought a server from Dell. The plan, at the time, was to make it into a webserver and host Wormtown.org and whoever else I could split the bandwidth/hard drive with at a hosting facility in Marlboro. However, it was also in April that I lost my job and then determined that the donations that Wormtown.org collects are not nearly enough to cover the cost of hosting. So, now that I've been unemployed since April. I'm feeling the money start to tighten up and I think it's about time to sell this server. It is a Dell PowerEdge 1650 http://www.dell.com/us/en/esg/topics/esg_pedge_rackmain_servers_1_pedge_165… It is a 1U rackmountable server. It has one PIII 1.13 chip in it It has 512M of RAM (2x256) It has one 36G drive (U160, 10K RPM) The rest of the specs are standard. I've got all the CDs including the Dell Drivers CD and the Red Hat 7.2 Discs that came with it. I've even got Rack Rails. And it does have the cool blue Dell logo that lights up on it. It's been run for about 15 hours total. I believe I paid a bit over $2100 for it. I just priced the same exact machine for $2071 (plus tax and shipping) at Dell.com. I will, of course, take the best offer I can get. I don't want to go any lower than $1500 if I can help it, though. If you're interested, or someone you know might be, contact me. Thanks John V +--------------------------------------------+ |-- "I taught you how to cyclops rock |-- (and then you go and) |-- turn around and break my heart |-- and waste my cyclops time |-- mess up my cyclops mind" |-- |-- - They Might Be Giants |-- |-- John: http://voegtlin.org/~john +--------------------------------------------+

Sept. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RH7.3 Questions

by Richard Goodman

Charles, Thank you for your detailed response. Your answers to Q 3-7 close those issues. On Q2, yes I really mean to run dhcpd to issue IP#s to selected client machines on the internal network. I'm confident that my dhcpd.conf is correct, and it is called by "dhcpd eth1". This was running under RH7.0. I installed the dhcpd RPM off the 7.3 CD (don't have version info here) Since I first wrote, I went back to the new server and banged my head on it for a couple more hours, remarkably getting answers to some of your questions. 1a) ifcfg-eth1 does have "ONBOOT=yes". I will post it when I get back to the server in the morning. 1b) /sbin/ifconfig shows only "lo" and "eth0" and nothing for "eth1" 1c) There is no /etc/modules.conf file on my machine. 1d) I think the module is 8139too, because when I temporarily pulled the Realtek card (eth1) I got a message during the attempt to startup ETH1 complaining about that module by name (did not get complete message). I did some fiddling with modprobe (which I don't understand) after reading section 2.3 of the Ethernet How-To (Using more than one Ethernet Card per machine). From the startup post screen I can see the Ethernet cards are on IRQs 10 & 9, and from the ifconfig I see that eth0 is 0x8000, but I couldn't get the address for eth1. Do I need it? Thank you for your help; obviously Q1 is the key to getting running now, Dick >On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:45:59PM -0500, Richard Goodman wrote: >dick> 1) During startup eth0 comes up but eth1 does not. My notes on the >dick> previous installation [year ago?] don't show that I did anything >dick> special when I installed the Realtek (was previously also DEC 2104x) >dick> but that doesn't mean I just didn't write it down. > >Edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 and make sure >"ONBOOT=yes" is in >there. Could you post that file so we can look at it? > >Run "/sbin/ifconfig eth1". What does that show? If it says "Device >not found" then >most likely the driver module isn't loading. If not, check >/etc/modules.conf. It >should have a line for eth1 like so: > >alias eth1 foobar > >where "foobar" is the name of the driver module for the Realtek. >There are a couple >different possibilites for the driver, since they made some different cards >with different chipsets. Try ne2k-pci and 8139too. > >You can also try running /usr/sbin/setup as root and going to "Network >configuration". > >dick> 2) dhcpd won't run, but I assume that's related to #1. Was surprised >dick> that dhcpd wasn't loaded during install, as I flagged eth1 as dhcp. > >What do you mean you flagged eth1 as dhcp? That sounds like you mean >"Use DHCP to get >the address for eth1". If that is the case, then you want a DHCP >*client*, not the >dhcpd server. That would be either pump or dhcpcd or dhclient. >pump, at the least, >should always be installed by Red Hat's installer. > >If you really wanted a DHCP server, then you would have to install >Red Hat's package >dhcp-2.0pl5-8.i386.rpm (or my packages for the latest ISC release >3.0.1rc9, available >at ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/packages/isc/dhcp) You need to be >careful that you >configure the server correctly to only listen for requests on your >internal LAN eth1 >(for my packages, edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and put INTERFACES=eth1 in there). > >-- >Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ >PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 >Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------------------------------------------------- Richard Goodman dick(a)goodman1.net ---> Home: (508) 753-DICK

Sept. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RH7.3 Questions

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 06:45:59PM -0500, Richard Goodman wrote: dick> 1) During startup eth0 comes up but eth1 does not. My notes on the dick> previous installation [year ago?] don't show that I did anything dick> special when I installed the Realtek (was previously also DEC 2104x) dick> but that doesn't mean I just didn't write it down. Edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 and make sure "ONBOOT=yes" is in there. Could you post that file so we can look at it? Run "/sbin/ifconfig eth1". What does that show? If it says "Device not found" then most likely the driver module isn't loading. If not, check /etc/modules.conf. It should have a line for eth1 like so: alias eth1 foobar where "foobar" is the name of the driver module for the Realtek. There are a couple different possibilites for the driver, since they made some different cards with different chipsets. Try ne2k-pci and 8139too. You can also try running /usr/sbin/setup as root and going to "Network configuration". dick> 2) dhcpd won't run, but I assume that's related to #1. Was surprised dick> that dhcpd wasn't loaded during install, as I flagged eth1 as dhcp. What do you mean you flagged eth1 as dhcp? That sounds like you mean "Use DHCP to get the address for eth1". If that is the case, then you want a DHCP *client*, not the dhcpd server. That would be either pump or dhcpcd or dhclient. pump, at the least, should always be installed by Red Hat's installer. If you really wanted a DHCP server, then you would have to install Red Hat's package dhcp-2.0pl5-8.i386.rpm (or my packages for the latest ISC release 3.0.1rc9, available at ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/packages/isc/dhcp) You need to be careful that you configure the server correctly to only listen for requests on your internal LAN eth1 (for my packages, edit /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd and put INTERFACES=eth1 in there). dick> 3) how do I know whether IPchains or IPtables is active, and how do I dick> switch. Considering the time involved so far, I think I'd rather dick> delay switching to IPTables and use my existing IPChains firewall for dick> now. Can I still hook it in at the end of rc.local? Red Hat defaults to IPchains, even now. You can put your ipchains statements into /etc/sysconfig/ipchains, and it should be executed automatically at boot. Note that the file format isn't a shell script, but rather the output of "/sbin/ipchains-save". You can run a shell script to set up the rules and then run "/sbin/service ipchains save" to save them for you in the right place. dick> 4) During install I did answer some firewalling questions (set to dick> medium, custom) -- where is the results of that dialog? /etc/sysconfig/ipchains Also, since the ipchains stuff is started as a system service, you need to make sure it is configured to start up automatically: /sbin/chkconfig ipchains on dick> 5) If I can use my existing IPChains firewall, that will take care of dick> IP Masquerade -- if not can I have some guidance as to what direction dick> to take. Well, does your existing IPChains firewall do IP Masquerade? If so, run the existing firewall script and do "/sbin/service ipchains save" to save it in /etc/sysconfig/ipchains. Note that this might not be flexible enough e.g. if you get a dynamic IP address from your ISP, in which case the rules might need to change slightly each time the firewall script is run. If you do use the above method, you'd need to make sure IP forwarding is also turned on in /etc/sysctl.conf. An alternative to using the /etc/sysconfig/ipchains and sysctl.conf stuff is to put your firewall script into /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post. After it runs the /sbin/ipchains commands, it would manually turn on IP forwarding with a "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward". dick> 6) httpd comes up but says "cannot resolve hostname, using 127.0.0.1" dick> - what did I forget to configure? (I haven't touched httpd.conf yet.) Set your hostname in /etc/sysconfig/network, and put an entry for your host in /etc/hosts with the right IP address. dick> 7) issue and issue.net used to be set from rc.local, but no more -- dick> where are they set? I'd like to patch that out and be a bit more dick> anonymous. Yes, Red Hat has finally come to their senses and doesn't put anything in rc.local by default anymore. You can just edit /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net with a text editor, and they won't be touched by anything. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Importing email from Eudora or Outlook...

by Karl Hiramoto

Use an IMAP server. store your folders on the server. IMAP suports sub-folders. Then you access your e-mail independent of your mail client. On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I didn't see this covered in any of the posts I could read in the Mozill > groups, nor the FAQs, so here goes... > > I am trying to import email into Mozilla 1.0. I tried importing from > Eudora and got the account settings OK, but did not get the entire > address book (notably distribution lists) and couldn't get all the > email. I received no error for the address book, but did get an error > saying "cannot create proxy object for destination mailboxes" about half > way throuhg the import, at which point all the folder that were created > were moved to Trash. > > I decided to try Outlook just in case the Eudora code was messed up, I > first imported from Eudora into Outlook, but I got the same problem. > > In both cases, I get the impression that the import code can't do too > much with nested information (email distribution lists and mail folder > that contain other folders), but Mozilla seems to be able to get started > without any trouble. Then again, there is a lot of email involved and > I'm also wondering if there are some limits set somewhere in the code > before it gives up... > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > Thanks!! > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The difference between dogs and cats is that dogs come when they're called. Cats take a message and get back to you.

Sept. 3, 2002

RH7.3 Questions

by Richard Goodman

I have a RH7.0 server which has been giving me regular unrecoverable disk errors since 6-8 weeks ago. I figured today I had enough time to do something about it. I also figured that as long as I had to rebuild from scratch (after installing a new hard drive) I'd upgrade to RH7.3 -- but I have a few more problems that I figured on. The server is dual homed - eth0 (DEC 2104x 10mbps tulip driver) goes to DSL, eth1 (Realtek 100mbps) goes to internal network. Was running IP Masquerade / IPChains / Apache / sendmail / DNS server fine under RH7.0 I have the following problems: 1) During startup eth0 comes up but eth1 does not. My notes on the previous installation [year ago?] don't show that I did anything special when I installed the Realtek (was previously also DEC 2104x) but that doesn't mean I just didn't write it down. 2) dhcpd won't run, but I assume that's related to #1. Was surprised that dhcpd wasn't loaded during install, as I flagged eth1 as dhcp. 3) how do I know whether IPchains or IPtables is active, and how do I switch. Considering the time involved so far, I think I'd rather delay switching to IPTables and use my existing IPChains firewall for now. Can I still hook it in at the end of rc.local? 4) During install I did answer some firewalling questions (set to medium, custom) -- where is the results of that dialog? 5) If I can use my existing IPChains firewall, that will take care of IP Masquerade -- if not can I have some guidance as to what direction to take. 6) httpd comes up but says "cannot resolve hostname, using 127.0.0.1" - what did I forget to configure? (I haven't touched httpd.conf yet.) 7) issue and issue.net used to be set from rc.local, but no more -- where are they set? I'd like to patch that out and be a bit more anonymous. I'm definitely unconnected until most of these Q's get resolved. Thanks to any who can assist me. Dick

Sept. 2, 2002

RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by George Metz

I'm not a member, but I DID work at RCN during that MegaMeeting. Boston User Groups was started as a corporate-sponsored way to get US Datacenters into the User Group scene, as it were. Incidentally, US Datacenters is no longer in that building, IIRC. It sounds to me like the $50 could be better spent in a whole host of ways other than membership in a group for groups that don't interact much. Especially if you can't even get them to put events up on their calendar for your group. Of course, I MIGHT be biased by the fact that they took over the building I worked at for a meeting that they didn't clear with (or notify) any of the other companies OR the management in the building. At least the pizza was good. :)

Sept. 1, 2002

Importing email from Eudora or Outlook...

by Stephen C. Daukas

I didn't see this covered in any of the posts I could read in the Mozill groups, nor the FAQs, so here goes... I am trying to import email into Mozilla 1.0. I tried importing from Eudora and got the account settings OK, but did not get the entire address book (notably distribution lists) and couldn't get all the email. I received no error for the address book, but did get an error saying "cannot create proxy object for destination mailboxes" about half way throuhg the import, at which point all the folder that were created were moved to Trash. I decided to try Outlook just in case the Eudora code was messed up, I first imported from Eudora into Outlook, but I got the same problem. In both cases, I get the impression that the import code can't do too much with nested information (email distribution lists and mail folder that contain other folders), but Mozilla seems to be able to get started without any trouble. Then again, there is a lot of email involved and I'm also wondering if there are some limits set somewhere in the code before it gives up... Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks!! Steve

Sept. 1, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Brian J. Conway

I vote no. We received no real benefits from our original 50 dollars spent, they won't list our events on their calendar, and their user group links don't even work through a text browser. That 50 bucks would be much better spent elsewhere (beer and pizza??). ;-) Perhaps people should just address their votes to Andy and not the list? -b

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] overlay/watermark???

by Keith Wright

> From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > > I'm generating a document with good old latex, and I'd like to be able > to add a figure as the background to each page, something like a > watermark, or the background capability of html. > > I'd be happy to use a post-processing step to do this. I've been > looking at the ps utilities, but there's nothing that looks like it > will work. > > Any ideas? Make a PostScript graphic to fill the page, and use any graphic package you can find ( \usepackage{epsfig} works for me ) to tell TeX to put a tiny little box in the page header, which contains your big graphic. TeX doesn't care if your graphic (or anything else) is bigger than the box, it just needs the box to know how much space to leave, but you, you pervert, want to print something and leave no space for it. It should work fine in a technical sense, but promise me the background will be very light and sparse, or I shall revile and shun your document. -- Keith

Aug. 30, 2002

overlay/watermark???

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm generating a document with good old latex, and I'd like to be able to add a figure as the background to each page, something like a watermark, or the background capability of html. I'd be happy to use a post-processing step to do this. I've been looking at the ps utilities, but there's nothing that looks like it will work. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by jkinz＠rcn.com

On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 12:17:10PM -0400, Clint Moyer wrote: > I vote YES. It's only $50 and WLUG's cash on hand is well > into five figures. ;) > > If some people feel somewhat bruised by a tangential > connection to MS, well that's kind of sad. > > Clint Hey Clint - no fair voting twice ! :) (I got two copies of Clint's post.) My 0.02: Spend the $50. It helps give your organization visibility and a professional cachet. But I don't get a vote since I'm not a member. At least I don't think I'm a member. How do you officially join up ?

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Clint Moyer

I vote YES. It's only $50 and WLUG's cash on hand is well into five figures. ;) If some people feel somewhat bruised by a tangential connection to MS, well that's kind of sad. Clint On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:21:20 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> wrote: > >Hi everybody, > >Last year around this time, an organization was formed >called the Boston User >Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was >invited to participate. >As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee >to participate for >the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, >where the general >consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it >goes". > >Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I >had some questions >about whether or not WLUG should continue its >participation in BUG. I had a >discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. > Several of those >people thought that the discussion should take place >among the entire WLUG >membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd >like to settle this >issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the >next week). > >Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my >comments and those of other >WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who >are current BUG >members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac >group, and some >others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft >related user groups. >Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court >said that, not just >me), this distribution of member groups should not be a >surprise to anybody. > >Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the >contents of the BUG >website. > >My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder >about what tangible >benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. > >a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website > >b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave >out literature >advertising the group, its meetings, etc. > >c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while >eating free pizza, >drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters >facility in Marlboro, MA. > >d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from >the MegaMeeting. >Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly >thereafter joined the mailing >list, but I have no way to know for sure. > >The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities >onto which WLUG's >activities were never placed. The calendar is designed >for groups who meet, >say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is >not as regular as >that, and hence our information was not put onto the >calendar after two >requests by me. > >Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent >an e-mail to the >user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some >of the benefits of >BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to >make sure my >information about BUG is correct so that I can present it >fairly to the WLUG >membership. > >My question to WLUG is: > >Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in >BUG for $50/year ? > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Marc Hughes

Sounds to me like all we really got was a single new member out of last years membership. I say skip the membership. If we're itching to spend the money, throw it into an ad in a college newspaper or two. Otherwise let's hoard our cash reserves for a hostile takeover of microsoft. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:21 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Stephen C. Daukas

My vote is no.

Aug. 30, 2002

WLUG's membership in BUG

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, Last year around this time, an organization was formed called the Boston User Groups (http://www.bostonusergroups.com) WLUG was invited to participate. As a group, we decided to pay our $50/year membership fee to participate for the first year. Some of you might remember this meeting, where the general consensus was "OK, let's try it for a year and see how it goes". Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. I had some questions about whether or not WLUG should continue its participation in BUG. I had a discussion with the WLUG members who attended the BBQ. Several of those people thought that the discussion should take place among the entire WLUG membership. The timing of BUG events is such that I'd like to settle this issue before our next WLUG meeting (ideally within the next week). Take a look at the BUG webpage as you consider my comments and those of other WLUG members. Please take note of the other groups who are current BUG members. There are 3 Linux groups, a Palm group, a Mac group, and some others, not to mention the wide variety of Microsoft related user groups. Given that Microsoft is a documented monopoly (a court said that, not just me), this distribution of member groups should not be a surprise to anybody. Some of the commentary below assumes familiarity with the contents of the BUG website. My initial question (if I recall correctly) was to wonder about what tangible benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and gave out literature advertising the group, its meetings, etc. c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. d) I know that we got at least one new WLUG member from the MegaMeeting. Perhaps there were others, or folks who shortly thereafter joined the mailing list, but I have no way to know for sure. The BUG website also has a calendar of group activities onto which WLUG's activities were never placed. The calendar is designed for groups who meet, say, every 2nd Thursday of the month. WLUG's schedule is not as regular as that, and hence our information was not put onto the calendar after two requests by me. Rick Zach is the current BUG president. He recently sent an e-mail to the user group leaders (attached) wherein he describes some of the benefits of BUG membership. I also have personally spoken to Rick to make sure my information about BUG is correct so that I can present it fairly to the WLUG membership. My question to WLUG is: Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in BUG for $50/year ? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG and BUG

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 28 August 2002 11:23 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > > > Keith Wright wrote: > > > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages > > Yes, I wrote that, but not to thw WLUG mailing list. > A discussion of events at last Thursdays BBQ among > the people who were there has leaked onto the full list. > Sorry for any confusion. > Its not a problem. I plan to start a full discussion on the list soon. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 30, 2002

Re: WLUG and BUG

by Keith Wright

> From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > Keith Wright wrote: > > > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages Yes, I wrote that, but not to thw WLUG mailing list. A discussion of events at last Thursdays BBQ among the people who were there has leaked onto the full list. Sorry for any confusion. -- Keith

Aug. 29, 2002

Re: WLUG and BUG

by doug waud

Hi all, Keith Wright wrote: > On the bright side, I have looked at the BUG web pages > and they do not crash my browser (Netscape Communicator 4.76 > on RedHat 7.1 with a 2.4.27 kernel.) Just to prove I am not just a pretty face, I can note that I got and installed Mozilla 1.0 and it too does not crash. > Why do all these web-wankers think > that a six-pixel high font is such a great thing that it must be > hard coded to override my preferences? I don't know the answer but I agree that the practice sucks! :-) doug (Vulture for culture) Waud

Aug. 28, 2002

I'm not normally in favor of cracking but....

by Wesley Allen

Anyone catch this story at wired? http://wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,54812,00.html Apparently the RIAA site got cracked, and the crackers put up a fold with..."pirated" mp3 files. Ummmm, yes this is illegal (the cracking, not the creation of mp3 archives for personal use), but can you imagine a more deserving organization for this to happen to. Keep in mind, I also happen to be a PASTOR, and I think this is just about the funniest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Wes -- This message may be digitally signed. For my public key, e-mail me a request.

Aug. 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Stupid Hardware Clock Tricks, aka: WTF?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 10:33:30AM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Ok, so I got caught up after dinner ... ;) I did go and change the > BIOS settings again, around 11pm on Wednesday. The problem then stayed > away until ~4:12am on the 23rd. Just an update for those who are curious ... I decided to try reverting to 2.4.9 (actually 2.4.9-31SGI_XFS_1.1) and seeing what happened. So far, it's been almost 5 days without any issues. So far, so good. :| I just hope it's a 2.4.18 issue, so if I went to 2.4.19+ things would work. Guess I'll find out at some point. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Even the Chinese are against me. -- Homer Simpson The Last Temptation of Homer

Aug. 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] python regular expressions

by Phillip G Deneault

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Brad Noyes wrote: > On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:06:08PM -0400, Phillip G Deneault wrote: > > I didn't see this when you sent it the first time... > > > > There is a another way to do this. > > > > text = "FreeBSD" > > results = re.search(r'(.*)BSD', text) > > print results.groups(1) > Yes, i saw this somewhere as well. > > Question: what is the r'...' used for, and what does it mean? It denotes a 'raw' string input and add special characters accessed by the \ key. For instance r'\<html\>(.*)\<\/html\>' searches between the <html></html> tags. There are other characters too, for instance, \d only matches number digits and is the equivalent to r'[0-9]'. If you use this method, its easiest to just leave the r'' notation in. That way, everything is consistent and you can use a whole list of shortcuts. Phil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the InfoSec maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Aug. 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Exchange clients for linux

by William Smith

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: MV>On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Brad Noyes wrote: MV> MV>BN> exchange server for it's calender functionality. I believe it will be added MV> MV>When did Exchange server start making paper? I think you meant MV>"calendar"... ;-) we're talking about a M$ product here. don't put anything past them.... 8\ -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Aug. 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] python regular expressions

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 03:23:49PM -0400, Brad Noyes wrote: > Question: what is the r'...' used for, and what does it mean? "raw" quotes, roughly analagous to perl's qw/.../ -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy | "Endorsing products is the American way of expressing individuality." -Calvin

Aug. 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] python regular expressions

by Brad Noyes

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 12:06:08PM -0400, Phillip G Deneault wrote: > I didn't see this when you sent it the first time... > > There is a another way to do this. > > text = "FreeBSD" > results = re.search(r'(.*)BSD', text) > print results.groups(1) Yes, i saw this somewhere as well. Question: what is the r'...' used for, and what does it mean? > > the compile() command is typically used for long regex expressions so the > programmer doesn't need to write again and again. :-) in the script i was writing i ended up using the compile option, but left that out in my mail for simplicity. > > A good Python book is the New Riders "Python Essential Reference". Its a > small book with just the language references, plenty of examples, and its > written by the creator of Python. Thanks for your input! --brad > On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Brad Noyes wrote: > > > okay i figured it out, For those intersted ... > > > > text = "FreeBSD" > > reg_obj = re.compile('(.*)BSD') > > search_res = reg_obj.findall(text) > > print search_res[0] > > > > > > --brad > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 09:37:02PM -0400, Brad Noyes wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I'm starting to learn python. I was looking for a python equivalent to a perl > > > regular expression such as > > > > > > $_ = "FreeBSD"; > > > /(.*)BSD/; > > > > > > where $1 would get what ever is between '(...)', 'Free' in this case. > > > > > > Is there a way i can make use of the () regex operator in python? I can't > > > seem to find an equivalent in python's regex module (re). > > > > > > Thanks, > > > --brad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, > deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, > WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the > InfoSec maddness of art." - Henry James > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 28, 2002