- WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:56 am, doug waud wrote: > Hi all > > >>In case no one shows, ..... > > If a cable is pulled out and nobody it there to > see it, does the electricity go off? :-) > > doug :-) :-) :-) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? > Any good? HI Karl, I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: http://www.tolisgroup.com/ Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You can find more info here: http://www.arkeia.com/ Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

I have successfully booted into windows but found some interesting behaviors along the way. It appears that I must have swapped the hard drives at some point. The latest OS resides on hda1. Using YaST2 I added another boot definition pointing to windows on hdb1. FYI...YaST behaves differently when launched from within X than when launched from a shell with no X. After rebooting I get the lilo prompt to select an OS. I select windows and am then presented another lilo prompt (SuSE 7.0?) to select an OS. After choosing windows a second time, windows is successfully launched. This accomplishes what I need...but it would be nice to understand what is happening so I could get rid of the second OS prompt. Obviously I have done several installs on my system onto different drives. I have read the man page for lilo.conf and understood only a fraction of what it was trying to tell me. Can someone point me to some other resources that will help me to understand what is happening during the boot process? Thanks > Mike, > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should see an > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be able > to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... >

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Brett Russ

> Then every month I'd like to take one of the full backups and put it > away for long term storage. > > My backup media is a 120GB IDE disks in a removable drive trays. > Take them home for off site storage. Are you reusing these drives or buying new ones every month? > One thing I'm trying now is: rsync the three servers to the local > 120 GB disk. From local disk create tar files. Bad part about it > is I have to store an extra 40GB on the disk of local copies of the > servers. I can't just tar over NFS, because the files on the server > may be changing as the tar is created. Tar bitches when that happens. I wonder if LVM would help you. You can create a snapshot in time of your filesystem and back that up without worrying about anything changing. There are of course many more possibilities, see http://www.sistina.com/products_LVM_publications.htm and check out the SuSe whitepaper. BR

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Wes Allen

ARRGH, ARRGH, DIE! DIE! Down Boy! ;-) On Thursday 24 October 2002 3:07 pm, Michael Long wrote: > Thanks to everyone for all the help. I was afraid I would have to drag > my computer to Worcester tonight to get this done. Instead I will arrive > without it. Since I have not learned how to do x-forwarding with ssh > yet, I will have to wait until later tonight to actually attempt this. > > --mike > > ps. This just goes to show you can make great progress with a little > heresy ;) > > > Mike, > > > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should > > see an > > > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be > > able to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second > > > drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was > > > awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I > > > am not asked > > > whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify > > > lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw > > > up because > > > Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the > > > configuration tool :( > > > > > > Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this > > > point but > > > since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being > > > that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux > > > programmer > > > how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make > > > > > > the second > > > drive > > > > > > > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. > > > > > > You can install > > > > > > > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the > > > > > > drives, and > > > > > > > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > > > > > > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file > > > > > > during the > > > > > > > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > > > > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > > > > > > > --Skip > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > > > > computer it > > > > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second > > > > > > unformatted > > > > > > > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > > > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done > > > > > > anything to the > > > > > > > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > > > > be possible > > > > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > > > > harmony with > > > > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that > > > > > > think doctrine > > > > > > > > matters; > > > > > > > > > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice > > > > > > to pass the > > > > > > > > buck once > > > > > > > > > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > > > > > > > > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > > > > > > > > > seems to me > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > > > > > > > > > boot config. > > > > > Let me > > > > > > > > > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > > > > > > > > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > > > > > > > > > you go this > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > > > > > > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU > > > > > > HAVE A BOOT > > > > > > > > DISK. Win98 > > > > > > > > > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > > > > > > > > > have to do is > > > > > > > > > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and > > > > > > run "lilo" as > > > > > > > > root in > > > > > > > > > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has > > > > > > to do it... :) > > > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > > > > > > > > > 98. I don't have > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > > > > > > > > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > > > > > > > > > basically do it for > > > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

Thanks to everyone for all the help. I was afraid I would have to drag my computer to Worcester tonight to get this done. Instead I will arrive without it. Since I have not learned how to do x-forwarding with ssh yet, I will have to wait until later tonight to actually attempt this. --mike ps. This just goes to show you can make great progress with a little heresy ;) > Mike, > > You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should see an > entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be able > to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. > > Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second > > drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was > > awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I > > am not asked > > whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify > > lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw > > up because > > Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the > > configuration tool :( > > > > Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this > > point but > > since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being > > that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux > > programmer > > how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? > > > > mike > > > > > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make > > the second > > drive > > > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. > > You can install > > > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the > > drives, and > > > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > > > > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file > > during the > > > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > > > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > > > > > --Skip > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > > > computer it > > > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second > > unformatted > > > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done > > anything to the > > > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > > > be possible > > > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > > > harmony with > > > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that > > think doctrine > > > > matters; > > > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice > > to pass the > > > > buck once > > > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > > > seems to me > > > > that > > > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > > > boot config. > > > > Let me > > > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > > > you go this > > > > way > > > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > > > installed. > > > > > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU > > HAVE A BOOT > > > > DISK. Win98 > > > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > > > have to do is > > > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and > > run "lilo" as > > > > root in > > > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has > > to do it... :) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > > > 98. I don't have > > > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > > > basically do it for > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Skip Gaede

Mike, You're almost home free. Take a gander at /etc/lilo.conf. You should see an entry in there for booting windows and a timeout value. You should be able to edit the file and install the changes by running lilo. Try man lilo for help. If still stuck, post your lilo.conf file... > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Michael Long > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:22 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Installfest > > > I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second > drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was > awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I > am not asked > whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify > lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw > up because > Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the > configuration tool :( > > Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this > point but > since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being > that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux > programmer > how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? > > mike > > > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make > the second > drive > > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. > You can install > > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the > drives, and > > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file > during the > > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > > > --Skip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > > computer it > > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second > unformatted > > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done > anything to the > > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > > be possible > > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > > harmony with > > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that > think doctrine > > > matters; > > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice > to pass the > > > buck once > > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > > seems to me > > > that > > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > > boot config. > > > Let me > > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > > you go this > > > way > > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > > installed. > > > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU > HAVE A BOOT > > > DISK. Win98 > > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > > have to do is > > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and > run "lilo" as > > > root in > > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has > to do it... :) > > > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > > 98. I don't have > > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > > basically do it for > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

I did not rejumper the drives. I believe I told SuSE to use the second drive and ignore the first. I may be wrong about this since it was awhile ago that I did the initial install. I do know that I am not asked whether or not to boot windows. Yast2 does have the ability to modify lilo. This is either not stable or allows the users to screw up because Yast2 appears to be locked on my laptop after going into the configuration tool :( Normally I would reject the idea of switching to Grub at this point but since SuSE 8.x is using it I am willing to entertain the idea. Being that I am primarely a database/web developer and not a linux programmer how will Grub enhance my linux experiance? mike > Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make the second drive > the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. You can install > it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the drives, and > simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. > > Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file during the > boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at > www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. > > --Skip > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Michael Long > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > > computer it > > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted > > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the > > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > > be possible > > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > > harmony with > > my current installation of SuSE? > > > > mike > > > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine > > matters; > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the > > buck once > > > in a while ;-) > > > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > > seems to me > > that > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > > boot config. > > Let me > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > lilo.conf via: > > > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > > you go this > > way > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > > installed. > > > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT > > DISK. Win98 > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > > have to do is > > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as > > root in > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > > 98. I don't have > > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > > what distro are you > > > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > > basically do it for > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by George Metz

Sure will. I know that YaST has a tool for Lilo config under the System Administration tool; just use that to set things up and you should be golden. Obviously, select the drive with the Windows install on it for the partition. Not sure where this functionality is hiding in YaST 2/graphical YaST, as the only place I have SuSE at the moment is on my server, and it decidedly does NOT like doing X forwarding for some reason. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Michael Long > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the computer it > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it be possible > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in harmony with > my current installation of SuSE? > > mike

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Wes Allen

If you didn't erase it, it's still there. I'm surprised you don't have an option to boot from it, suse should have auto-detected it! Wes On Thursday 24 October 2002 1:33 pm, Michael Long wrote: > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the computer it > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it be possible > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in harmony with > my current installation of SuSE? > > mike > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine > > matters; > > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the > > buck once > > > in a while ;-) > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > > /etc/lilo.conf > > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it seems to me > > that > > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the boot config. > > Let me > > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > > lilo.conf via: > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if you go this > > way > > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration installed. > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT > > DISK. Win98 > > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l have to do is > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as > > root in > > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > Wes > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't > > > have 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Wes > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by Skip Gaede

Absolutely! I'm guessing you rejumpered the drives to make the second drive the primary. I'd recommend using grub as your boot loader. You can install it in the MBR of the drive that has Windows on it, rejumper the drives, and simply change /etc/mtab to reflect the new state of the world. Grub is nice, in that it allows you to tweak your boot "ini" file during the boot process in case you made a mistake. Check out the HOWTOs at www.tldp.org on how to setup dual boot. --Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Michael Long > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:34 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Installfest > > > I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the > computer it > came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted > drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This > effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the > first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it > be possible > to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in > harmony with > my current installation of SuSE? > > mike > > > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine > matters; > > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the > buck once > > in a while ;-) > > > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing > /etc/lilo.conf > > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it > seems to me > that > > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the > boot config. > Let me > > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup > lilo.conf via: > > > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > > > man lilo.conf > > > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if > you go this > way > > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration > installed. > > > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT > DISK. Win98 > > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l > have to do is > > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as > root in > > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > > > Wes > > > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows > 98. I don't have > > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > > > mike > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) > what distro are you > > > > > > using? I > > > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will > basically do it for > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

I neglected to mention one little detail. When I bought the computer it came with windows98 installed one harddrive and a second unformatted drive. I did a new install of SuSE onto the second harddrive. This effectively made windows unavailable. I have not done anything to the first drive other than mount it as a fat partition. Would it be possible to resurrect this windows installation and have it live in harmony with my current installation of SuSE? mike > Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine matters; > so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the buck once > in a while ;-) > > I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing /etc/lilo.conf > by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it seems to me that > yast should have something in it's workings to edit the boot config. Let me > just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. > > Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup lilo.conf via: > > mv lilo.conf lilo.backup > > and then read the man page on lilo.conf: > > man lilo.conf > > to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if you go this way > you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration installed. > > Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT DISK. Win98 > will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l have to do is > after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as root in > the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. > > Anything I'm missing gang? > > Wes > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't have > > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > > > mike > > > > > Mike, > > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you > > > > using? I > > > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for > > > you. > > > > > > Wes > > >

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Wes Allen

Yes, well, I'm a Pastor at a conservative church that think doctrine matters; so naturally everyone thinks I'm a heretic. It's nice to pass the buck once in a while ;-) I don't know suse from a hole in the wall, so beyond editing /etc/lilo.conf by hand and running lilo as root I can't help you. But it seems to me that yast should have something in it's workings to edit the boot config. Let me just say that I would be utterly shocked if it didn't. Other than that, since you're a newbie, you may want to backup lilo.conf via: mv lilo.conf lilo.backup and then read the man page on lilo.conf: man lilo.conf to edit your boot configuration by hand. Just remember if you go this way you'll have to run "lilo" to get the updated configuration installed. Also, if you're going to install win98, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A BOOT DISK. Win98 will OVER-WRITE your mbr and lilo will be GONE. What you'l have to do is after win98 is installed boot from your boot disk and run "lilo" as root in the shell. That'll reinstall lilo on the master boot record. Anything I'm missing gang? Wes On Thursday 24 October 2002 12:17 pm, Michael Long wrote: > It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) > > I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't have > 2000 and NT does not support usb. > > mike > > > Mike, > > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you > > using? I > > > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for > > you. > > > > Wes > > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 11:53 am, Michael Long wrote: > > > I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it > > > is driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. > > > > > > I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. > > > My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a > > > dual boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to > > > install windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore > > > my current installation from backups which I have not done before. My > > > preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. > > > I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot > > > process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help > > > walk me through? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ------ > > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Michael Long

It is not easy being a heretic scum but someone has to do it... :) I am using SuSE 7.3 and would like to install windblows 98. I don't have 2000 and NT does not support usb. mike > Mike, > DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! > > OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you using? I > know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for you. > > Wes > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 11:53 am, Michael Long wrote: > > I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it is > > driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. > > > > I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. > > My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a dual > > boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to install > > windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore my > > current installation from backups which I have not done before. My > > preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. > > I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot > > process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help > > walk me through? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > ------ > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by Wes Allen

Mike, DIE, DIE, HERETIC SCUM! OK, now that I've got that out of my system ;-) what distro are you using? I know that Mandrake has a lilo conf tool that will basically do it for you. Wes On Thursday 24 October 2002 11:53 am, Michael Long wrote: > I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it is > driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. > > I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. > My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a dual > boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to install > windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore my > current installation from backups which I have not done before. My > preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. > I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot > process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help > walk me through? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 24, 2002

Installfest

by Michael Long

I have a request that is sacrilege to the charter of WLUG. However it is driven by the practicality of working in todays IT market place. I have run linux exclusively on my personal computers for quite awhile. My situation has changed and now need to make one of my computers a dual boot with windows. The only way I know how to do this is to install windows first and then linux. This would mean having to restore my current installation from backups which I have not done before. My preference would be to add windows leaving my linux installation alone. I am still a newbie to linux and do not understand lilo and the boot process. Would this be something that someone would be willing to help walk me through? Thanks, Mike

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nslookup not works!

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 05:27:06PM +0700, Aramico wrote: aramico> RH 8 and its built in application specially modssl. the type of the modssl aramico> is the model where the worm can get the party in it.... aramico> hemm.... Do i miss a thing here....... :( You shouldn't build your own ssl. Instead, get the official updates from Red Hat using up2date. You probably broke something when you installed your home-built stuff. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by doug waud

Hi all >>In case no one shows, ..... If a cable is pulled out and nobody it there to see it, does the electricity go off? :-) doug

Oct. 24, 2002

backup recomendation

by Karl Hiramoto

What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any good? My situation is I have three servers I wish to backup. The total amount of data to be backup'd is 40GB. I wish to do weekly or monthly full backups with daily incremental. Plan A: Monthly Level 0, weekly Level 1, daily Level 2 Plan B: Weekly Level 0, daily Level 1 Plan C: Monthly Level 0, weekly level 0, daily level 1 Then every month I'd like to take one of the full backups and put it away for long term storage. My backup media is a 120GB IDE disks in a removable drive trays. Take them home for off site storage. One thing I'm trying now is: rsync the three servers to the local 120 GB disk. From local disk create tar files. Bad part about it is I have to store an extra 40GB on the disk of local copies of the servers. I can't just tar over NFS, because the files on the server may be changing as the tar is created. Tar bitches when that happens. My optimal solution: keep all files on the servers. Possibly use a small local scratch area(1 G or so). Create local backups and store them to the 120GB removable disk. I would like to use free software if possible. Any suggestions? -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø This is now. Later is later.

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Brian J. Conway

> In case no one shows, do we want to plan something? A while back we did More beer and pizza? ;-) -b

Oct. 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Marc Hughes

In case no one shows, do we want to plan something? A while back we did a distribution bake-off. Since we'll have the facilities, and probably a few computers, we could do something like that again? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:41 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest??? On Wednesday 23 October 2002 1:26 pm, Keller, Tim wrote: > Do we have a rough idea of how many people are going to be in > attendance for the installfest? > > Later, > Tim. I have received ZERO e-mail about this so far. I plan to be there so I hope some folks come out of the woodwork. Later, Andy (who just returned from California yesterday evening) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 24, 2002

nslookup not works!

by Aramico

Hi all, I've got a problem when i try to use nslookup to resolve the name of my defined ip [root@console]# nslookup -sil nslookup: relocation error: /usr/lib/libdns.so.5: undefined symbol: ENGINE_new What was wrong with it ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- I've just finished installing my new server with rh 8, that's something I really upset... :( RH 8 and its built in application specially modssl. the type of the modssl is the model where the worm can get the party in it.... hemm.... Do i miss a thing here....... :(

Oct. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 23 October 2002 1:26 pm, Keller, Tim wrote: > Do we have a rough idea of how many people are going to be in attendance > for the installfest? > > Later, > Tim. I have received ZERO e-mail about this so far. I plan to be there so I hope some folks come out of the woodwork. Later, Andy (who just returned from California yesterday evening) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 24, 2002

virus scanner

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

I was wondering if anyoen has any suggestions for a virus scanner that i could install on my free bsd box that runs at 33mhz and I only use as a router and fire wall to scan all incoming traffic for viruses? -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Oct. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] What's the tally for the installfest???

by Wes Allen

Thanks Brad, It's not looking good, maybe I'll just pool my Christmas money and get a zaurus? Wes On Wednesday 23 October 2002 2:23 pm, brad wrote: > On Wednesday 23 October 2002 01:53 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > > Is it tommorow? Or tonight? > > I believe it is tomorrow. > > > I want to be able to come and get my iPAQ converted (finally), but I had > > my wisdom teeth out yesterday AND I've got the flu.....I'm pretty zoned > > out. > > that's no fun. I'll be there if you want to install in your iPAQ. > > -brad > > > Wes > > > > On Wednesday 23 October 2002 1:26 pm, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > Do we have a rough idea of how many people are going to be in > > > attendance for the installfest? > > > > > > Later, > > > Tim. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 23, 2002