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Notebooks...

by Wesley T Allen

Hi gang, Well, with the 0% financianing out there I'm seriously considering dumping my current notebook and taking all my Christmas cash to get a machine that works better with linux. I'm sick of this HP buggy BIOS that won't let linux read the thermal or battery data, even with acpi, so this'll go back to winXP for my wife, we'll dump the desktop completely, and I'll get the new machine. My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so I figured I'd ask all of you... Wes

Dec. 30, 2002

No conflicts??

by Gregory Avedissian

Both my video card and the onboard sound card are assigned to IRQ11, in both windows and linux. Device Manager and KDE Control Center say that there's no conflict. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance, Greg

Dec. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Karl Hiramoto

On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix this? Would > generating some simple test patterns help in making the proper adjustments? Trial and Error is what I've used with linux. Under Microshaft Windowz there are some Calibration tools that have come with my printer that U can use to calibrate the screen with the printer output. I've also had problems when using different types of paper. Ex. the picutre looks ok, using the el cheapo paper. Then i switch to the expensive glossy paper, and the colors look different. Is there any printer color calibration tool for linux out there? Good luck. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations.

Dec. 27, 2002

Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, I've been playing with my new toy, an Epson 1660 Photo scanner, which works very nicely with Linux. I have noticed that photos that I scan in and then print don't look the same as the original. I am using Xsane, Gimp-Print, and CUPS. If it matters, the photo is 4x6 inches, scanned at 400 DPI, and printed in 1440x720 high quallity mode. The photo was originally printed from my 3 Mpixel digital camera (2160x1440 pixels), so I believe I've used a more than sufficient DPI when scanning. I suspect the problem is that neither the scanner nor the printer is perfect, and that the cumulative effects of the transfer functions (scanner to computer to monitor to computer to printer) are causing this. Its actually worse if I let Xsane compensate for me with its automatic adjustments of gamma, brightness, and contrast. Adjusting the image on my monitor screen probably isn't going to help much since my monitor isn't perfect, nor is there any guarantee that I have it properly adjusted. Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix this? Would generating some simple test patterns help in making the proper adjustments? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Thanks Charles, Resolving the issue in part 1 concerning my wifes vpn was resolved by upgrading the linksys firmware. After the upgrade IPSec passthrough was turned off and everything works well. The next step is to get the vpn to my office working. Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Dec. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Charles R. Anderson

Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not TCP or UDP). IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with these SOHO routers. Good luck. mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn mlong> connections behind a firewall. The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to work through NAT at once... It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, which may or may not work through NAT. In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec encrypted tunnel. IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one real IP address with a Linksys o mlong> mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn mlong> connections behind a firewall. mlong> mlong> Thanks, mlong> Mike mlong> mlong> _______________________________________________ mlong> Wlug mailing list mlong> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org mlong> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 25, 2002

vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Happy Holidays to all, I have a 2 part question concerning my particular use of vpns. I have a home network behind a Linksys firewall/router and am technically incompetent when it comes to vpn's. Part 1: The company my wife works for has upgraded her vpn software and it no longer plays well with firewalls at the client end. I have an appointment with her tech support Thursday morning but would appreciate it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn connections behind a firewall. Thanks, Mike

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] trusted user?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 03:33:44PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: fs> On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 07:49:18AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: fs> > How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access fs> > to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? fs> fs> sudo. It can specify which commands which users are allowed to run with fs> elevated privs. For more complex options, such as reading certain logs, fs> you'll probably want to write scripts/programs that do exactly what you want fs> to allow and allow sudo access to them. For log reading, why not just put the logs in a group? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] X-server minutiae - Doh!

by Gregory Avedissian

If you run sax with the --auto option (I did), it wants a value for screen resolution, and it sets the color to 8-bit without asking. I ran it again, manually. 32-bit color looks much better. G. Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Now that I have X working again, some colors are different. The outline > box that appears when opening a window in fvwm2 has changed from yellow > to purple, which is nice because it's easier to see, but my cursor is > very pale gray. Anyone know how to change a cursor color? Am I nuts to > even think about messing with it? > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] trusted user?

by Frank Sweetser

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 07:49:18AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access > to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? sudo. It can specify which commands which users are allowed to run with elevated privs. For more complex options, such as reading certain logs, you'll probably want to write scripts/programs that do exactly what you want to allow and allow sudo access to them. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Dec. 24, 2002

trusted user?

by Bill Mills-Curran

How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? TIA, Bill

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 03:29:19PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: bconway> No WindowMaker. =( NPTL and HTree-enabled ext3 look like they could be bconway> interesting, though. rpmbuild --rebuild WindowMaker*.src.rpm is your friend :) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Brian J. Conway

> If anyone wants this and the mirrors are overloaded, you can get it > here: > > ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en No WindowMaker. =( NPTL and HTree-enabled ext3 look like they could be interesting, though. -b

Dec. 23, 2002

[redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Charles R. Anderson

If anyone wants this and the mirrors are overloaded, you can get it here: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en ----- Forwarded message from redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com ----- From: redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com To: redhat-watch-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:07:33 -0500 Subject: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe Reply-To: redhat-announce-list(a)redhat.com Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: "You know, Chandler, you being here is the best gift I could ask for Christmas." "Aww. Thanks Pheebs." "Ok, now where's my real present?" Red Hat, Inc. has a holiday gift for you - PHOEBE, a new beta release of Red Hat Linux. PHOEBE is 6 CDs of software (3 binary, 3 source), including, among other things: - the latest in bleeding-edge desktop and XFree86 technology - Mozilla 1.2.1, with Xft antialiased fonts - glibc-2.3.1, with the new Native POSIX Thread Library (NPTL), for performant and scalable threading PHOEBE is, of course, not intended for use on mission critical or other production systems. As always, we do not recommend the use of beta software on mission critical or production systems. In fact, we may laugh at those who try. Problems with PHOEBE should be reported via bugzilla, at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla PHOEBE can be found at redhat.com. 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Dec. 23, 2002

X-server minutiae

by Gregory Avedissian

Now that I have X working again, some colors are different. The outline box that appears when opening a window in fvwm2 has changed from yellow to purple, which is nice because it's easier to see, but my cursor is very pale gray. Anyone know how to change a cursor color? Am I nuts to even think about messing with it? Greg

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by Gregory Avedissian

Someone must have been sending me telepathic messages. I finally thought to check sax --help, and I was able to get it to run using switches for hsync, vsync, and X-server, and it worked. In fact, I think the screen looks better than it did before. Xfree 4.0 doesn't appear to be on the 7.2 disks. There's a 4.0 glx driver, and there's glx-devel package, but no basic package. Anyway, it's working. Thanks. Greg avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Here's my hardware: > 1.2GHz Athlon on a Spacewalker AK12A motherboard > ELSA GLoria-L vid card (16MB), which has S3virge chip with Glint > 500TX, and uses the 3DLabs driver. > > At some point last year, I thought I installed XFree 4.1 and got the > 3DLabs driver. That's what my notes say. But 3.3.6 was running. If > I can install 4.0 from the disks, I'll try it. Every time I've run sax, > most of it runs off-screen, and I can't use it. That might be where I > screwed up yesterday, by hitting Enter when I shouldn't have. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > > On 22 Dec 2002, at 22:34, Andy Stewart wrote: > > >>HI Greg, >> >>On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, >>you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're >>better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. >> >>To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version >>3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). >> >>If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're >>running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? >> >>I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the >>"dirty work" for you. >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> >> >> >> >>On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: >> >>>Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: >>> >>>XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System >>>(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) >>>Release Date: January 8 2000 >>> If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer >>> than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting >>> problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) >>>Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE >>>Configured drivers: >>> GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters >>>(Patchlevel 0) >>>(using VT number 7) >>> >>>XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config >>>(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values >>>(--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules >>>dbe: Unknown error loading module >>> >>>Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 >> >>-- >>Andy Stewart, Founder >>Worcester Linux Users' Group >>Worcester, MA USA >>http://www.wlug.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 23, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Linux top gun

by Brett Russ

> Its a competition > where teams take turns attacking and defending a linux server. This sounds similar to (but not the same as) the Honeynet project challenges: http://project.honeynet.org/misc/chall.html

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

Hi Andy, Here's my hardware: 1.2GHz Athlon on a Spacewalker AK12A motherboard ELSA GLoria-L vid card (16MB), which has S3virge chip with Glint 500TX, and uses the 3DLabs driver. At some point last year, I thought I installed XFree 4.1 and got the 3DLabs driver. That's what my notes say. But 3.3.6 was running. If I can install 4.0 from the disks, I'll try it. Every time I've run sax, most of it runs off-screen, and I can't use it. That might be where I screwed up yesterday, by hitting Enter when I shouldn't have. Thanks, Greg On 22 Dec 2002, at 22:34, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Greg, > > On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, > you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're > better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. > > To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version > 3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). > > If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're > running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? > > I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the > "dirty work" for you. > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > > Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: > > > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > > Release Date: January 8 2000 > > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > > Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE > > Configured drivers: > > GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters > > (Patchlevel 0) > > (using VT number 7) > > > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > > (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules > > dbe: Unknown error loading module > > > > Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux too much like windows?

by Bill Smith

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:50:09 -0500 Chuck Haines <chaines(a)linux-xtreme.net> wrote: CH> I found this article while reading my daily dose of slashdot. It CH> brings some questions to mind. Is linux becoming too much like CH> windows? in some ways, i agree, but i don't think that it is becoming Bad... Win* operating systems seem to suffer from a disease in which the programs are designed (i use the term loosely. very loosely.) to do as much as possible. Compare this with the *nix approach, where most applications do one thing and do it well. The desktop issue is another problem entirely. I believe that the underlying operating system cannot (nor should it) be blamed for the perception of "Difficult to Use". That responsibility lies with the programmer(s) that writes the applications and the desktop interface. For example, The Gimp seems (to me) very much like Photoshop, which Win* users are familiar with. People that like Photoshop shouldn't have too much trouble with Gimp, but that is not something that one can attribute to the OS. The OS allows stability in the environment... If the interface is well designed, the End User should (theoretically) be able to figure things out for themselves. CH> Does it need to in order to compete in the desktop CH> business? One of my friends was commenting that for servers, linux CH> is the best, however it just loses when it comes to the desktop CH> market. What do you guys think about that? I'm not a gamer and CH> primarily do systems administration work as well as php development CH> and I love my redhat 8.0 with gnome2. What do others out there feel? for some reason, many people think that an OS has to have a lot of games to be a viable desktop system. Linux has a lot of games, but the nature of the OS doesn't lend itself very well (i think) to the variety of systems that Gamers have. Games that are graphic intensive (what isn't these days?!?) like to have the Latest-n-Greatest hardware... 8\ There are all sorts of variables that i don't know anything about, but i think that a lot of lessons can be learned from the way Apple does their interface. whether you like it or not, you can't argue the fact that almost anyone can sit down at a Mac and do things. those same people sit down in front of a system running X and they freak out.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Random BOFH excuse: We have chosen COBOL as the language of choice. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by Andy Stewart

HI Greg, On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version 3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the "dirty work" for you. Later, Andy On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: January 8 2000 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE > Configured drivers: > GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters > (Patchlevel 0) > (using VT number 7) > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules > dbe: Unknown error loading module > > Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 23, 2002

Linux top gun

by Chuck Haines

I just saw this article and thought to myself, "wouldn't this be something interesting for WLUG and WPILA to put on." Its a competition where teams take turns attacking and defending a linux server. This particular server happens to be running apache, but it could be anything really. I think this would be a neat little event to run. What does everyone else think? The URL for reference is: http://linuxtopgun.org/ -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

Dec. 22, 2002

Linux too much like windows?

by Chuck Haines

I found this article while reading my daily dose of slashdot. It brings some questions to mind. Is linux becoming too much like windows? Does it need to in order to compete in the desktop business? One of my friends was commenting that for servers, linux is the best, however it just loses when it comes to the desktop market. What do you guys think about that? I'm not a gamer and primarily do systems administration work as well as php development and I love my redhat 8.0 with gnome2. What do others out there feel? Just my thoughts, -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

Dec. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: January 8 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE Configured drivers: GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules dbe: Unknown error loading module Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 SubSection "extmod" ^^^^^^^^^^^ Module section keyword expected XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. On 22 Dec 2002, at 12:05, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > I managed to get my online connection working again. Just had to > change "ippp0" to "ppp0" in my firewall config file. I was also able > to make a lilo boot floppy from command line, and it worked, exept > for my initial menu. I rebooted back and forth a few times between > the two floppies, and they both seemed to be working, and then > when I went into x-session, I had no mouse. > > WTF??? Why did I lose kernel support for other stuff when all I > messed with was "sound"? > > Then I made the mistake of going into XF86Setup. Now, I can't get > into x at all. > > Questions > 1. Can anyone tell me where the problem is? (other than "user") > > 2. Is there someplace in make xconfig or make menuconfig to > provide support for xfree? At one point, I got an error message > about not being able to load a module when trying to get into x. > > 3. Would it make sense to go back to the distribution disks, > remove and re-insall xfree? > > Thanks. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 22, 2002

kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

I managed to get my online connection working again. Just had to change "ippp0" to "ppp0" in my firewall config file. I was also able to make a lilo boot floppy from command line, and it worked, exept for my initial menu. I rebooted back and forth a few times between the two floppies, and they both seemed to be working, and then when I went into x-session, I had no mouse. WTF??? Why did I lose kernel support for other stuff when all I messed with was "sound"? Then I made the mistake of going into XF86Setup. Now, I can't get into x at all. Questions 1. Can anyone tell me where the problem is? (other than "user") 2. Is there someplace in make xconfig or make menuconfig to provide support for xfree? At one point, I got an error message about not being able to load a module when trying to get into x. 3. Would it make sense to go back to the distribution disks, remove and re-insall xfree? Thanks. Greg

Dec. 22, 2002