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Re: [Wlug] samba issue

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 15 September 2003 14:44, Chuck Noyes wrote: > I have identical usernames & passwords on both boxes did you setup the passwords via `passwd` or `smbpasswd` ? afaik samba maintains its own pw database separate from /etc/passwd -mike

Sept. 15, 2003

samba issue

by Chuck Noyes

Hi all... I created a directory, on my RH 9.0 (2.4.20) Linux server, that I would like to share with other computers on our LAN. I have smb and nmb running and I can see the share from a MS windows 2000 box. When I try to map the drive and click on the remote folder name (\\linux-hostname\share-name), it asks me to log on to the Linux server (I'm using security = share in /etc/samba/smb.conf). When I enter my username/password pair, it tells me that they're invalid. I have identical usernames & passwords on both boxes and I'm not encrypting the usernames and passwords...yet. I'm using version samba-2.2.7a-8.9.0 for samba-common, samba-client and samba itself. What am I missing? Thanks, Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Sept. 15, 2003

REMINDER: WLUG meeting Wed. 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting on Wednesday, Sept. 10, in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus. This will be a "Linux Introduction" meeting intended for people new to Linux. I'll do my slide presentation, and afterwards I'll demo the SuSE Live eval CD. If there's time and interest, I'll demo the Knoppix CD. Lots of Q/A will make this meeting much more interesting, so please bring along your questions. The URLs for these CDs, in case you wish to download and burn a copy for yourself, are as follows: SuSE Live Eval CD: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-eval-8.2/SuSE-8.2-LiveEval-i386-Int-R… - or - ftp://ftp.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/live-eval-8.2/SuSE-… Knoppix Demo CD: http://www.knoppix.org/ (follow the download links) If somebody could burn a couple of these, that would be great, but if not, I'll burn a few at the meeting. If you want a copy, please bring a blank 700 MB CD (Knoppix won't fit on anything smaller, but the SuSE version might fit on a 650 MB CD). See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] linux

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Andy Stewart wrote: AS> I think you're asking if we can discuss the Linux command line at an upcoming AS> meeting. If so, sure, that's possible. of course, there's this starter for those used to DOS or Windows: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html

Sept. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] linux

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 10 January 2000 12:09 pm, donald vitkus wrote: > wondering if you could do a demo on on linux command psr meeting for use > new bees Translating to English: I think you're asking if we can discuss the Linux command line at an upcoming meeting. If so, sure, that's possible. Does anybody want to volunteer to give this talk, perhaps at the October meeting? After giving 2 talks in a row, you folks are probably sick of hearing from me for a while. :-) Let's avoid the religious war(s) and choose bash since it is used by root by default. Any volunteers? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 08:52:15AM -0400, Keller, Tim wrote: > be entirely focused on securing BAD/linux. I think it would be disingenuous > to not only the students of WPI, but also tech guys in WPI to let a bunch of > people loose on the network with easily rootable machines. You mean, letting lots of newbie students loose on a large network with machines they barely know how to use, let alone keep reasonably virus/trojan/hacker free? Yeah, we call that "A Term" <G>. At least most linux distributions actually have a sane update mechanism, unlike the mess that is Windows Update. Plus, <plug type=shameless>we have a working up2date server on the WPI campus for anyone on the campus network to use. I don't really have any good docs on how to use it written, but if anyone on campus is interested, email me and I'll give you the quick'n dirty on getting started.</plug> -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Sept. 4, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Keller, Tim

We could also have a distribution bake off if we wanted as well. We did this before and it worked really well. If we have a BSD head in the crowd, they could demo [Open|Free|Net]BSD as well. I think as a follow-up to this, we could have a separate meeting that would be entirely focused on securing BAD/linux. I think it would be disingenuous to not only the students of WPI, but also tech guys in WPI to let a bunch of people loose on the network with easily rootable machines. That's my 0.018441 Euros. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Higgins [mailto:matt@higgsolutions.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:49 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? My 2 cents or less if you will. I think Knoppix is the way to go! The point is to showoff Linux-wares not to teach about a particular distributions configuration mechanism or file system layout. Knoppix is clean and impressive in many ways and does a great job at showing off what Linux can do. Furthermore we are to the point were a Linux install is no more difficult then a Windows install, particularly the commercial distributions; Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc... So thats my 2 cents or less, long live Slackware! Matt Quoting Steve Freitag <Steve.Freitag(a)alum.wpi.edu>: > I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe > 8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my > observations. > > > > Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like > OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. > > > > There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you > don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just > boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing > about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of > the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save > your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and > another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap > ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and > boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? > > > > Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you > are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind > was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? > (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to > the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red > Hat, etc.? > > Andy Stewart wrote: > > > > On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > > Andy, > > I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track > to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your > favorite tools and utilities. > > Al Butler > > > > HI Al, > > My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, > WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who > want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard > drives to Linux. > > One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and > GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I > go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for > people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > > How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! > :-) > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 4, 2003

Upcoming meeting: Wed, Sept. 10th, 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, Our next meeting shall be held in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus on Wednesday, September 10th, at 7:00 PM. Note that this location is not the same as last month. This is the room that we generally use for our meetings. At this meeting, the topic will be "An Introduction to Linux for Newcomers", and the intended audience is people who do not know much (if anything) about Linux, but do have experience with computers and perhaps Windows. I'll prepare some slides and discuss the following topics (and perhaps more): o What is Linux? o Origins of Linux o Software licensing o Computer requirements (memory, disk space, etc) o How to obtain a copy of Linux o How to "test drive" Linux without messing up my computer o More... o Q/A session during the meeting and afterwards o Demo of a single CD version of Linux which won't modify your existing files on the C: drive o Giveaway: copies of a single CD version of Linux (probably Knoppix and/or Suse Live Eval - can somebody help me burn a few copies?) Bring your friends - let's see if we can get them to at least "kick the tires" on Linux. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer. See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Charles R. Anderson

And for those of you who have carpal tunnel, here it is again PageDown-free: On Fri, Jan 07, 2000 at 10:25:35PM -0500, donald vitkus wrote: devitk> I hope you will slow down the process if you have to trouble shoot the devitk> install of linux. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Not to trigger a full blown debate... It doesn't matter what point *we* are at, it matters what point anyone who decides to show up is at. It also doesn't matter what can fit on a flash drive... You have to ask yourself who the intended audience is. If it is techies who already know what a home directory is and might end up playing with Linux without WLUG's help, then it doesn't matter what you show, or if you demo more than one thing. If, however, you are trying to interest newbies who might decide to stay with what they already have if the alternative is perceived as a lot of work, then I would advise skipping the discussion about how cool the technology is and focus on why a standard Linux distro is useful. As I keep reminding my students - the technology is meaningless, the important questions to ask is "what can you do with it". If you really want to excite a lot of students, show them how they can save money and, more importantly time, and still turn their assignments in on time in a format acceptable to their professors! The reason for my initial comment in this thread was simple: In my experience at WPI, a non-trivial minority of students do not have a tremendous amount of experience with computers - even the self professed "programmers." Students new to WPI are already overwhelmed with some 30-40 hours a week of school work outside of class time. If they are "into computers" then they are already interested enough to invest their time based on the "technology is cool" camp. If, however, they are interested in technology as a tool, they will look at the demo, size up how much effort is involved (and that includes how readily available the necessary information is and how easy that info is to use), decide how helpful the venue is to trying Linux, assess if Linux/WLUG/whatever is worth it to them, and make a decision. If, as you say, the commercial distributions are no more difficult to install than windows, then that is what we should be showing, as well as OpenOffice, Mozilla, and so forth. Steve Matt Higgins wrote: >My 2 cents or less if you will. > >I think Knoppix is the way to go! The point is to showoff Linux-wares not to >teach about a particular distributions configuration mechanism or file system >layout. Knoppix is clean and impressive in many ways and does a great job at >showing off what Linux can do. Furthermore we are to the point were a Linux >install is no more difficult then a Windows install, particularly the commercial >distributions; Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc... > >So thats my 2 cents or less, long live Slackware! > >Matt > >Quoting Steve Freitag <Steve.Freitag(a)alum.wpi.edu>: > > > >>I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe >>8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my >>observation >> >> >> >>Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like >>OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. >> >> >> >>There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you >>don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just >>boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing >>about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of >>the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save >>your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and >>another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap >>($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and >>boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf >>Of Stephen C. Daukas >>Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? >> >> >> >>Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you >>are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind >>was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? >>(The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to >>the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red >>Hat, etc.? >> >>Andy Stewart wrote: >> >> >> >>On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: >> >> >>Andy, >> >>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>favorite tools and utilities. >> >>Al Butler >> >> >> >>HI Al, >> >>My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >>WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >>want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >>drives to Linux. >> >>One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >>GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >>go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >>people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. >> >>How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! >>:-) >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ >> >> >> >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Sept. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Karl Hiramoto

USB flash drives now are in sizes from 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 512MB, 1GB AND 2GB. They sell them online and as places like BestBuy, circit city, and most places with electroinics. They are replacing floppies for removable storage. Whith all this talk about Knoppix i'm downloading the ISO now :) On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, John Stoffel wrote: > > Steve> There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first > Steve> is that you don't have to go through all the YaST screens when > Steve> you boot, Knoppix just boots right up to KDE and logs you on as > Steve> user knoppix. The other neat thing about Knoppix is that you > Steve> can save your configuration and home directory of the size you > Steve> specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save > Steve> your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your > Steve> hard drive (and another 100MB for swap if you want). With > Steve> Knoppix you can carry a cheap ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash > Steve> drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and boot a PC into your > Steve> personal environment without touching the hard disk. > > So where did you find this flash drive? It sounds like a great way to > have Linux available when you don't want to screw with someones > computer! And what sizes do they have supported? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "There is hopeful symbolism in the fact that flags do not wave in a vacuum." --Arthur C. Clarke

Sept. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by John Stoffel

Steve> There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first Steve> is that you don't have to go through all the YaST screens when Steve> you boot, Knoppix just boots right up to KDE and logs you on as Steve> user knoppix. The other neat thing about Knoppix is that you Steve> can save your configuration and home directory of the size you Steve> specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save Steve> your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your Steve> hard drive (and another 100MB for swap if you want). With Steve> Knoppix you can carry a cheap ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash Steve> drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and boot a PC into your Steve> personal environment without touching the hard disk. So where did you find this flash drive? It sounds like a great way to have Linux available when you don't want to screw with someones computer! And what sizes do they have supported?

Sept. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Matt Higgins

My 2 cents or less if you will. I think Knoppix is the way to go! The point is to showoff Linux-wares not to teach about a particular distributions configuration mechanism or file system layout. Knoppix is clean and impressive in many ways and does a great job at showing off what Linux can do. Furthermore we are to the point were a Linux install is no more difficult then a Windows install, particularly the commercial distributions; Red Hat, SuSe, Mandrake, Yellow Dog, etc... So thats my 2 cents or less, long live Slackware! Matt Quoting Steve Freitag <Steve.Freitag(a)alum.wpi.edu>: > I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe > 8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my > observations. > > > > Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like > OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. > > > > There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you > don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just > boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing > about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of > the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save > your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and > another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap > ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and > boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf > Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? > > > > Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you > are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind > was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? > (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to > the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red > Hat, etc.? > > Andy Stewart wrote: > > > > On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > > Andy, > > I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track > to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your > favorite tools and utilities. > > Al Butler > > > > HI Al, > > My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, > WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who > want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard > drives to Linux. > > One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and > GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I > go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for > people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > > How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! > :-) > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ > >

Sept. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Steve Freitag

I've recently spent a small amount of time playing around with both the SuSe 8.2 Live Eval, and Knoppix 7-26-03, so I thought I'd pass along my observations. Both default you into KDE and have a similar selection of apps (Like OpenOffice, Mozilla, the GIMP etc). Knoppix happens to be based of Debian. There were a couple of things I liked about Knoppix. The first is that you don't have to go through all the YaST screens when you boot, Knoppix just boots right up to KDE and logs you on as user knoppix. The other neat thing about Knoppix is that you can save your configuration and home directory of the size you specify on a USB flash drive. With SuSE if you want to save your configuration/home dir it creates a 100MB file on your hard drive (and another 100MB for swap if you want). With Knoppix you can carry a cheap ($10 after rebate) 64MB USB flash drive around with you and a Knoppix CD and boot a PC into your personal environment without touching the hard disk. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:23 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting? Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Andy Stewart wrote: On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: Andy, I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your favorite tools and utilities. Al Butler HI Al, My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard drives to Linux. One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) Later, Andy __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Sept. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Hi Andy! Sounds good to me! I think that would be a better transition for anyone who ends up installing the real thing (so to speak). Steve Andy Stewart wrote: >On Tuesday 02 September 2003 4:22 pm, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > >>Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what >>you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to >>my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux >>distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it >>be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they >>look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? >> >> > >Hi Steve, > >OK, point taken. What if I were to demo the SuSE Live Eval CD instead? It is >actually quite close to a fully installed SuSE distribution. > >Andy > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Sept. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 4:22 pm, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what > you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to > my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux > distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it > be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they > look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Hi Steve, OK, point taken. What if I were to demo the SuSE Live Eval CD instead? It is actually quite close to a fully installed SuSE distribution. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Andy Stewart wrote: >On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > >>Andy, >> >>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>favorite tools and utilities. >> >>Al Butler >> >> > >HI Al, > >My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >drives to Linux. > >One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > >How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) > >Later, > >Andy > > > > >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 05 January 2000 11:09 pm, donald vitkus wrote: > > i agree since i get lost with linux > > HI Don, When you say that you get lost with Linux, to what precisely do you refer? I suspect you may be referring to the command line interface vs. the graphical interfaces like KDE and GNOME which bear many similarities to Windows. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > Andy, > > I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track > to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your > favorite tools and utilities. > > Al Butler HI Al, My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard drives to Linux. One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) Later, Andy > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: Next Meeting?

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Andy, I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your favorite tools and utilities. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Sept. 1, 2003

fun, scary...

by Mike Peckar

http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ Mike

Sept. 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Crypto filesystem

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 31 August 2003 6:24 pm, Chuck Homic wrote: > Does anyone have experience with an encrypted filesystem? I have a > notebook with a good chunk of confidential data, and although I would be > really pissed off if I lost it ($$$), I'd be even more pissed off not > knowing that my personal and corporate data may or may not have been > found. I use an encrypted file system. Its called the Cryptographic File System (cfs). I think its an older program, but it works well for me. Here's a pointer to a white paper: http://www.crypto.com/papers/cfs.pdf You can download it from the author's ftp site: ftp://ftp.research.att.com/dist/mab Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 31, 2003

Crypto filesystem

by Chuck Homic

Does anyone have experience with an encrypted filesystem? I have a notebook with a good chunk of confidential data, and although I would be really pissed off if I lost it ($$$), I'd be even more pissed off not knowing that my personal and corporate data may or may not have been found. So if anyone knows the answers, I have some questions: 1. Is loop-aes the way to go? Sounds pretty simple and painless to me. 2. What's your opinion of the optimal security/CPU tradeoff? I have an 800ish MHz Crusoe. So, I'll play around and probably figure out the answers by myself, but if anyone can jumpstart me (such as "Don't use funkyfish128, because that can be easily exploited!") that would be appreciated. If anyone's interested, I'll report the results of my adventure when I know something. Thanks! -Chuck

Aug. 31, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Query regarding email applications...

by Stephen C. Daukas

The idea is to replicate everything the user currently uses. So, yes - addresses as well as email. Also, the school does not use an IMAP server, so we have to do something outside of the obvious. Most of these users are capable of getting into the technology and crafting something that works for them, but they have their lives to live and don't want to invest the time - essentially your typical technology end user. So, if I can show them something that is easy and doesn't take much effort, great! Otherwise, they'll keep doing what they already know how to do - Microsoft. mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com wrote: >you only want to move email? or addresses and everything else? If it's >only email the easiest thing to do is to set up an IMAP server. Then >connect to the imap server from your "source" client, copy your messages >to the server, log in to IMAP with your "destination" client and copy them >down. > >*OR* ... just always use an imap server and don't store your email on the >client. > >-Marc > >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > > >>Hi all! >> >>I am currently using mozilla 1.3.1 and want to be able to move my email >>to other applications. I'd like to be able to move it to Netscape, >>Eudora, and yes, Outlook. The reason for this is to show my new >>department head why folks using different operating systems, say Linux, >>should be allowed to use different operating systems as well as >>different email applications. His only concern is "email compatibility". >> >>Now, once upon a time, it was really easy to move the files between >>Netscape and Eudora, for example. They both had simple files that >>contained the information (e.g., Eudora used to use .toc of the index, >>and .mbx for the actual email while Netscape use to use - well, I can't >>remember, but is was a similar flat file arrangement). >> >>So, I took a quick look at Eudora 5.1, and it looks like the familiar >>old setup. Mozilla 1.3.1 looks like it is using a database of some sort >>(.sdb?) and Netscape 7.1 looks, well, different from what I remember! >>In the good old days, I could figure this out in a few minutes and would >>have replicated my email across all of these apps! the last time I did >>this was about 3 years ago as a demonstration of the very same point. Sigh! >> >>So, I decided to see how the import capabilities look and, well, they >>don't play well, as far as I can tell. Outlook and Eudora have no idea >>about Mozilla, and it doesn't look like Netscape does either. >> >>The point to all this is the following question: >> >>I have a boss who is predisposed to setting up Linux for those in his >>department who are interested (he might be as well). He wants to be >>able to "import & export" between Outlook and whatever on whatever. Is >>there a way to show him that he can have his cake and eat it too, either >>by moving files, or by using more than one email application as an >>intermediary (e.g., Mozilla -> Outlook Express -> Eudora)? >> >>Steve >> >>-- >>Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] ssh woes followup

by mhughes＠wpidalamar.com

nothing out of the ordinary. I'll get a disconnect message when I kill the scp process... but if I don't kill it, it just sits around for at least 1/2 hour. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > Is there anything showing up in /var/log/messages ? > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Matt Higgins wrote: > > > > > > It is possible you are running out of file descriptors. Running out of fd's > > > shows up in strange ways! Did you bounce ssh on both sides of the tunnel. More > > > importantly on the receiving end ;). Try running ssh/scp with the -v flag set, > > > it may give you some good info. Run tcpdump .. are you dropping a ton of > > > packets? Do a simple ping to see if there is packet loss? Do a ifconfig are > > > there a ton of errs on the interface you are leaving on/ receiving from? > > > > > > If you see you are dropping a lot of packets but there are no interface err's > > > you can encourage the person that admins the VPN to check it out! > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried bouncing ssh at both ends... even doing a kill of all the > > processes of both ssh and sshd at both ends. > > > > scp -v doesn't show any weirdness. > > > > Ping works well, there's not an abnormal amount of errors in ifconfig. > > > > Is the open file limit system wide, or user specific? Mine's set for > > 4096, I've tried killing off a bunch of rarely used services on both > > machines to get the file count down. > > > > Now... this morning I'm noticing I can scp from the remote machine to the > > local machine, but not the other way around. In other words, from the > > remote machine, this works: > > scp qaddonline hughesm(a)10.1.0.19: > > But copying it back doesn't. > > scp hughesm@10.1.0.19:qaddonline . > > > > (qaddonline is about a 2 meg file) > > > > Also... from the local machine, iI can pull things down > > scp hughesm@10.21.2.184:qaddonline . > > but not push things up > > scp qaddonline hughesm(a)10.21.2.184: > > > > This didn't work last night. > > > > I can also now send small files (I tried one less than 1k) fine. > > > > I'd also like to add there's 2 machines in the remote facility that both > > have identical behavior. So I'm thinking it's either the link or my local > > machine. > > > > I'm no tcpdump expert, and both these machines have a good deal of > > traffic. What's an easy way to see if packets are getting dropped? > > (yeah, I suck at tcpdump filters). > > > > Any other ideas on things to look for? > > -Marc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > -- Robert Heller > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 29, 2003