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Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Bacon, John

So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL but more likely Verizon. And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business that is why your dilemma. Since your in Worcester there are not many options. Charter Business or maybe going Cell based Business. However Verizon is working to roll out Fios in the city so maybe they will get your neighborhood before your disconnected. Im not sure where your web servers are hosted but you can use some web host company. I use TurnKey Internet (Latham, NY) Best of luck John Bacon WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Network Operations 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 508-831-5000 -----Original Message----- From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 12:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] I need advice on a new ISP Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> writes: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> >> > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> >> > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > replicate what you have at home now: >> >> And what's the price? > Free forever. With google's history of just dumping products randommly and without notice? No thanks...

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Althea Shaheen

Oracle cloud has been awesome for me for well over a year now. They provide quite a lot for free and are very good about not letting you enable things that are not free by accident. I just make sure to have good backups of my data there, in case they decide to take it away, but that's good advice with anything really :) On Thu, Apr 13, 2023, at 08:33, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible > or other automation. > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud >> setup talk sounds awesome. >> >> I'd expect it would take quite some time, >> both for presenter to prepare AND >> maybe even for the meeting timeframe. >> John, I think I may get as well try to >> not learn what Ansible is >> (being less into code control, node >> automation, myself... >> though I've seen an amazing amount >> of interest on them on this group, >> then pondered how we balance the >> various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). >> >> Am I right to assume that for a one-off, >> i.e. one personal/home user wanting >> free cloud storage and maybe email, >> that the Ansible angle should >> be postponed to follow >> a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? >> >> --Background just to expose my mind: >> I was a unix sysadin for decades >> since 1985, but my modern skills got >> out of date around 2000. Fortunately >> for me, I lucked into working with >> Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI >> network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, >> not a sysadmin any longer but just a >> cubicle wall away from all kinds of >> IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the >> WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? >> on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> > > >> > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> > > >> > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > > > replicate what you have at home now: >> > > >> > > And what's the price? >> > >> > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XTNSW…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible or other automation. On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud > setup talk sounds awesome. > > I'd expect it would take quite some time, > both for presenter to prepare AND > maybe even for the meeting timeframe. > John, I think I may get as well try to > not learn what Ansible is > (being less into code control, node > automation, myself... > though I've seen an amazing amount > of interest on them on this group, > then pondered how we balance the > various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). > > Am I right to assume that for a one-off, > i.e. one personal/home user wanting > free cloud storage and maybe email, > that the Ansible angle should > be postponed to follow > a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? > > --Background just to expose my mind: > I was a unix sysadin for decades > since 1985, but my modern skills got > out of date around 2000. Fortunately > for me, I lucked into working with > Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI > network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, > not a sysadmin any longer but just a > cubicle wall away from all kinds of > IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the > WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? > on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > > > And what's the price? > > > > Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Doug Mildram

Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud setup talk sounds awesome. I'd expect it would take quite some time, both for presenter to prepare AND maybe even for the meeting timeframe. John, I think I may get as well try to not learn what Ansible is (being less into code control, node automation, myself... though I've seen an amazing amount of interest on them on this group, then pondered how we balance the various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). Am I right to assume that for a one-off, i.e. one personal/home user wanting free cloud storage and maybe email, that the Ansible angle should be postponed to follow a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? --Background just to expose my mind: I was a unix sysadin for decades since 1985, but my modern skills got out of date around 2000. Fortunately for me, I lucked into working with Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, not a sysadmin any longer but just a cubicle wall away from all kinds of IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by soup

I've no love for oracle but OCI is probably one of the better deals for a 'traditional' cloud provider. The 10TB out finally forced AWS to increase their free-tier and it's still a fraction of that at 100GB, from 1GB. Their ARM works well for my purposes but is slower than graviton, not a concern here certainly. -soup On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > replicate what you have at home now: > > And what's the price? Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: >> Hi Tim & Keith, >> >> On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > >> > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love >> > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if >> > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give >> > you a 100 bucks to screw around. >> > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well >> > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. >> > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. >> >> My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great >> success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. >> They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with >> minimal issues. >> >> >> I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all >> great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. The other problem (which I have and aluded to earlier) is that @charter.net is blocking all emails from linode IP blocks. Which sucks since that's the ISP for my town, unless you're lucky enough to live on the few streets with FIOS. > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > replicate what you have at home now: > - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each > - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to > 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month > ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU > on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU > - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total > - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month > - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day And what's the price? > This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. > How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, > firewall rules, etc. I could do a talk sometime about how I use ansible to setup Linodes and some of the issues and problems I've run into while doing so.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: > Hi Tim & Keith, > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. > > My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great > success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. > They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with > minimal issues. > > > I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all > great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to replicate what you have at home now: - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, firewall rules, etc.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Cara Salter

Hi Tim & Keith, On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with minimal issues. I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. -- Cara (she/her)

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Tim Keller

Keith, That sucks that your ISP is going (further it sounds) into the crapper. I suspect that your option in our area is likely Verizon of some kind, though maybe comcast/Spectrum competes in that area as well. In any case, to have a static IP they're likely going to force you to have a business line of some kind. Looking on the Verizon website "Fios Business" is $50/month for 50mbit up / 50mbit down. As for keeping your IP address, I agree with you, I don't see much hope there, but who knows. As for putting stuff in the cloud, it's just a virtual machine running who knows where. Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give you a 100 bucks to screw around. The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. Tim. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:25 AM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. > > GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT > has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the > bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a > few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." > > It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee > to leave everything as it is. > > I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot > things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that > address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. > > I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new > ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. > > I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I > would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail > with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in > those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need > the name server if there is another way of doing this. > > Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems > that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", > and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. > > I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. > > More details can be read here: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html > at least for a few more months. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. > GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT > has filed for bankruptcy protection. Is this gtt.net? And you're only getting a DSL line from them? Sounds like they're just giving up the local home business, probably not the business service. > The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the > bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a > few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." Did you ask about your IP being transferable? It's probably not easy, but you might be able to do so. > It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee > to leave everything as it is. So they're providing you with internet access as well? Do you have a budget and could you get another local ISP with a cable modem? I suspect most places don't want to support DSL anymore if they can help it. > I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a > lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point > to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web > server. As long as your DNS is updated, it doesn't matter what the IP address is behind it. Is looks like keithdiane.net is your IP of 66.92.74.188 and you actually have the reverse DNS setup properly as well, which is good! So the biggest problem you're going to find is getting outgoing email from your own domain using a residential ISP. For more money I'm sure you can get a business ISP with a dedicated IP, but it's going to be much more money. > I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new > ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. What are the services you want/need/like to have? 1. home internet access 2. email to/from @keithdiane.us 3. web server for one or more domains So number 1 is just the basic, and you'd need that no matter what to acess the internet, if you decide to NOT host your services at home any more. If you keep your servers a home, without anyone able to access them, then you don't need number 1. *grin* And it would make it cheaper. Number 2 is easy, I'd be happy to add your domain to my @stoffel.org linode if you like, or help you setup your own IMAP/email server in the cloud. Use linode, but thinking of moving to vultr.com because charter.net blocks all email from all Linode IPs. Sigh... Service 3, is also a Cheap $5/mon web server is trivial on Linode, and again I could host it for you if you like on my Linode, which isn't doing much more than email. One option in Worcester *might* be these guys: https://cyberonic.com/broadband/dsl/ They're near WPI as well. If you have cable TV right now, it might be possible to add on internet, but at a cost. Your budget will influence things alot here. > I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but > I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and > receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put > up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and > advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of > doing this. For the DNS, you currently have two servers listed, but only one is working, the "dsl.keithdiane.net" at the same IP as listed above. It's also trivial to spin up DSN in the cloud, because you don't have a backup DNS server for your domain at all. > Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems > that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", > and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. It can add up, I think I pat around $7/mon for my linode to host my @stoffel.org stuff. It works. > I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. It might be time to look around for other worcester DSL ISPs and see what they offer. Good luck! John

April 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting date will be April 20th 2023.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'm moving the meeting to next week as I've got a family obligation > on Thursday. Thanks for understanding. Tim. Unfortunately, I'm booked for tue/thu for the next three months, so I won't be around in person. Unless I stop in on my way home and grab a beer/burger afterwards. John

April 11, 2023

Re: Shippy 1984

by hammerron

I guess I'm very old school. I downloaded Shippy 1984 the other day. I really like it. Ron On 4/7/23 09:42, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > I was playing around with Shippy 1984. It is a Space Invaders/Galaxian > style game. It is available on Fedora. It's pretty ugly. I decided to > play around with a graphics update. Not all of the changes are in git > yet. Some refinement is still needed. > > https://youtu.be/ZAzFP90lgW0 >

April 11, 2023

I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith

April 11, 2023

Next Meeting date will be April 20th 2023.

by Tim Keller

I'm moving the meeting to next week as I've got a family obligation on Thursday. Thanks for understanding. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 10, 2023

Re: Fight or Perish

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Fight or Perish is a free software clone of Gauntlet. It never > really progressed past a prototype from the original creator. I've > been working to fix it up. I've written an Open Game Source article > about my work. Man, that brings back memories of playing Gauntlett with my friends after our explorer post meetings at Nathan's in NY. "Elf needs food... badly!" was and is a favorite line from that game. > https://identicalsoftware.com/games/fop I read some of your articles as well, first I've ever heard about the Roguelike Challenge, which was exciting because "Crawl" is one of my favorite games of all time, and my kids roll their eyes when they find me playing it in all it's ASCII glory. I play very 0.18 usually, I don't like the change they made to later versions to make the walls dark blue, which I find is really hard to see on screens. Blue is a hard color to do well I find. So I've been slowly playing around with hacking crawl to do new things, but mostly I just play. Badly. But I do want to fix the change where they got rid of the square cursor, and now they just bold tiles which is much more difficult to see. At least to my old old eyes. :-) Thanks for sharing Denis! I'll have to try some of these out at some point. John

April 8, 2023

Fight or Perish

by Dennis Payne

Fight or Perish is a free software clone of Gauntlet. It never really progressed past a prototype from the original creator. I've been working to fix it up. I've written an Open Game Source article about my work. https://identicalsoftware.com/games/fop -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

April 7, 2023

Shippy 1984

by Dennis Payne

I was playing around with Shippy 1984. It is a Space Invaders/Galaxian style game. It is available on Fedora. It's pretty ugly. I decided to play around with a graphics update. Not all of the changes are in git yet. Some refinement is still needed. https://youtu.be/ZAzFP90lgW0 -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

April 7, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Zori" == Zori Babroudi via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on windows. > Here is the X11 app I use. > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. Thanks for the reminder, I'm looking at this and I'm tempted, but I might first try WSL to see if that will do what I need for now.

March 21, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by Joe Sherman

This is the one I was using before I switched to MobaXTerm. http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ It worked ok. I had to set an export to set the default display before it would work but otherwise it was ok, and free. I think it is probably more powerful than I realize but haven't had the time to dig in yet. Plus my WSL install is all mangled currently (another WIP for me). Right now MobaXTerm just works for me so going with it until I can swing back around and absorb this one more. On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 8:12 PM Zori Babroudi via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on > windows. > > Here is the X11 app I use. > > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q > > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. > > [image: image.png] > > <Z> > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UFVWA… >

March 21, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 08:11:52PM -0400, Zori Babroudi via WLUG wrote: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on > windows. > > Here is the X11 app I use. > > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q Thanks. > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. I run graphical apps via X11 all the time but I don't know why you'd want to run a character terminal remotely when you have a perfectly good local character terminal that you can SSH from...

March 21, 2023

X11 app on Windows

by Zori Babroudi

Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on windows. Here is the X11 app I use. https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. [image: image.png] <Z>

March 21, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Godot engine is very good. I have created new games with that one. I > did Pinball Disc Room and Learning Basic on Mars in it. It does do > 3D unlike Love but I haven't played with that yet. I don't recommend > writing a game engine if you want to make a game just use > Godot. Granted even though I recommend it, I have created my own > engine for a game even after playing with Godot. The sign of a true programmer! Making their own game engine, "because". Well done all around, this was a fun set of things to see on a monday morning. > On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 08:42 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > My buddy pointed me at this as well: https://godotengine.org/ > Tim. > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:52 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to package Love2D games: > https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 > https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 > - Josh > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base app which includes > the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: > https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… > Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the yml that > install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but haven't had the > chance. > The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I do not > recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my version. > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as > metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers welcome! > - Josh > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified > Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you > want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a > talk if you like. > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using > the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making > simple games, etc. is really really low. > I think it might be worth a talk. > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NO5LA…

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Dennis Payne

Godot engine is very good. I have created new games with that one. I did Pinball Disc Room and Learning Basic on Mars in it. It does do 3D unlike Love but I haven't played with that yet. I don't recommend writing a game engine if you want to make a game just use Godot. Granted even though I recommend it, I have created my own engine for a game even after playing with Godot. On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 08:42 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > My buddy pointed me at this as well: https://godotengine.org/ > > Tim. > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:52 PM Joshua Stone > <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to > > package Love2D games: > > > > https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 > > https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 > > > > - Josh > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone > > <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base > > > app which includes the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: > > > > > > https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… > > > > > > Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne > > > <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > > > > Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see > > > > anything in the yml that install love. I've been meaning to > > > > look into building flatpaks but haven't had the chance. > > > > > > > > The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've > > > > removed. I do not recommend that. If you want to put it on > > > > flathub I would use my version. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > > > > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > > > > > > > > > > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > > > > > > > > > > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) > > > > > as well as metainfo files, but this technically works for > > > > > local builds. Testers welcome! > > > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG > > > > > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have > > > > > > modified Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which > > > > > > use the engine. If you want make a 2D game, it is a > > > > > > reasonable choice. I could put together a talk if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady > > > > > > > Bug using the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to > > > > > > > entry to making simple games, etc. is really really low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who > > > > > > > refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > Create Account: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… > > > > > > > >

March 20, 2023