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Re: [Wlug] Open source = security

by Scott Venier

It's all about auditing. The more people who can look at the code can find AND FIX any bugs. And the bugs do get fixed. For historical evidence of that look at how quickly the Linux kernel was fixed when the "teardrop" bug was revealed. It took Windows much longer to release a patch. There are probably more recent examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind that effected both open and closed source software. This is the excat same reason that professional software developers have code reviews. Many eyes make all problems simple. Scott Michael Long said: > Hi, > > During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting > SQL > Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more > secure when > anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self > evident, but I > guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 12, 2004

Open source = security

by Michael Long

Hi, During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting SQL Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more secure when anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self evident, but I guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? Thanks, Mike

March 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by Martin, Eric

Gentoo has a live cd for mac, although it's not gui based...also there's a bit of config for oldworld macs... -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:59 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 Hi all Andy Stewart wrote: > Subject: > Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 snip,snip > We will be handing out printed materials and CDs with good > quality FOSS, like TheOpenCD and Knoppix. ..... > Our role will be to help coordinate the event and > provide ..... > high quality (pressed) CDs that local > teams can give out to the general public on Software Freedom Day. Andy, at our meetings, you have asked what we might do with our accumulated $. This FOSS initiative makes me wonder whether making a lot of Knoppix discs which we could all carry around and hand out when queried about Linux, might be a good use of our resources. It would strike me as being right on target with our objective of proselytizing. I, for one, continually run into people curious about Linux and free software in general. If I could hand them a Knoppix disk and say "Here, see for yourself!" I think I would get good bang for buck. In particular the term "free" would sink in well. Any thoughts? doug PS A lot of non Linux users use MACS. Does Knoppix work there/is there a MAC Knoppix alternative? It would be a shame to miss this constituency; MAC users may be human too! :-) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by doug waud

Hi all Andy Stewart wrote: > Subject: > Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 snip,snip > We will be handing out printed materials and CDs with good > quality FOSS, like TheOpenCD and Knoppix. ..... > Our role will be to help coordinate the event and > provide ..... > high quality (pressed) CDs that local > teams can give out to the general public on Software Freedom Day. Andy, at our meetings, you have asked what we might do with our accumulated $. This FOSS initiative makes me wonder whether making a lot of Knoppix discs which we could all carry around and hand out when queried about Linux, might be a good use of our resources. It would strike me as being right on target with our objective of proselytizing. I, for one, continually run into people curious about Linux and free software in general. If I could hand them a Knoppix disk and say "Here, see for yourself!" I think I would get good bang for buck. In particular the term "free" would sink in well. Any thoughts? doug PS A lot of non Linux users use MACS. Does Knoppix work there/is there a MAC Knoppix alternative? It would be a shame to miss this constituency; MAC users may be human too! :-)

March 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by jeff

Andy Stewart wrote: >>From Softpro - FYI: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. > Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. > > The economy has taken its toll on our Marlborough location which we opened > with great optimism over 4 years ago. Our last day will be Sat., March 20. > Between now and then, we're selling all of our Marlboro inventory at 25% off > (sorry, no special orders). Gift certificates will continue to be honored > at our Waltham store. > > We apologize for any inconvenience to our Marlborough area customers and > hope that you will visit us in our Waltham store, conveniently located on > Route 128/95 at the Totten Pond Road exit. For directions, please visit our > web site (www.softpro.com/info.html) or call us at 781-487-2220. > yup yup. it's all true. stopped in there tonight. the books are literally flying off the shelves so, do those guys a favor - stop by.. at least buy 2600 mag or something. 10% wlug discount + 25% store closing discount? don't know if that applies. what a bummer man. seriously. that store rocks. anyway... on with life... -jeff

March 11, 2004

Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by Andy Stewart

-- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Pete Wason

Keller, Tim wrote: > I'd also like to recommend www.bookpool.com as well, for a couple of > reasons! I recently applied for a job with these folks. Pete

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Martin, Eric

So, right now I don't get paid to read most of my ORA books, getting paid for it would be great!!!! Although, I am reading "Mastering Regular Expressions" right now on company time...got to get the spam filter working the best possible... -----Original Message----- From: Mike Peckar [mailto:fog@fognet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:28 PM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... Bummer. ..was in that store last week and the clerk there was so bored he was half way through a book of "Jumbles." I wondered how many unemployed techno-dweebs would jump at the chance to be paid to read ORA books all day (albeit minimum wage). If only. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Mike Peckar

Bummer. ..was in that store last week and the clerk there was so bored he was half way through a book of "Jumbles." I wondered how many unemployed techno-dweebs would jump at the chance to be paid to read ORA books all day (albeit minimum wage). If only.

March 10, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Keller, Tim

I'd also like to recommend www.bookpool.com as well, for a couple of reasons! Firstly, it's a great bookstore. I purchased an o'reilly book and the book + shipping was less than the price on the back of the book! Secondly, my friend and a fellow WLUGger (Marc Hughes) works for bookpool! Later, Tim. There's nothing wrong with a man that a Playstation 2 and a copy of Vice City can't cure. -- Penny Arcade -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kinz [mailto:jkinz@kinz.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 8:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store... On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:10:44AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. > > Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the > percentage, but I think its 10%. > > > > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > > book right there. ;) http://www.bookpool.com - all the ORA books, always 25% to 45% off -All the time. Sofpro was nice to have around for emergencies but if you can wait 3-4 days for a book, I always go to bookpool. Cheaper and wider selection. (darned hard to read a few pages before buying tho'... :) ) They are located in vineyard haven. IIRC -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Jeff Kinz

On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:10:44AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. > > Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the > percentage, but I think its 10%. > > > > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > > book right there. ;) http://www.bookpool.com - all the ORA books, always 25% to 45% off -All the time. Sofpro was nice to have around for emergencies but if you can wait 3-4 days for a book, I always go to bookpool. Cheaper and wider selection. (darned hard to read a few pages before buying tho'... :) ) They are located in vineyard haven. IIRC -- Jeff Kinz, Open-PC, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)kinz.org" is copyright 2003. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://www.kinz.org/policy.html.

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 11:59 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. > > Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and > having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. Yes, there is a discount on many items for WLUG members. I'm not sure of the percentage, but I think its 10%. > > There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA > book right there. ;) :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:42:44PM -0500, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. Don't WLUG members get 10% off? I seem to remember going there and having to decide over the WBUR, WGBH, and iirc, WLUG discounts. There's just something about walking into a store and seeing every ORA book right there. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Flanders! My socks feel dirty! Gimme some water to wash 'em! -- Homer Simpson Boy-Scoutz n the Hood

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Michael Kingsbury

On Monday 08 March 2004 10:12 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > A few months (or more?) ago, the Burlington store closed and they moved it > to Waltham. I had visited the Burlington and Marlboro stores several > times, but I have yet to make it to Waltham. It was some point last fall. I think the Burlington location could not easily compete with B&N a quarter mile down the street and carrying a lot of simliar/same titles for less. If B&N doesn't have a title, usually I'll go online unless I'm in a real hurry for the book, in which case I think I went to Softpro once.... cover price gets old. -mike

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 9:45 pm, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:15:18PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > > operations into our one Waltham store. > > Hey... What happened to the Burlington store? Everytime I drive to > Billerica to visit ye ol' employer's co-lo facility I feel I should > stop off. :( A few months (or more?) ago, the Burlington store closed and they moved it to Waltham. I had visited the Burlington and Marlboro stores several times, but I have yet to make it to Waltham. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Gregory Boyce

On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 21:15, Andy Stewart wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. > Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. Ugh. And I just visited it for the first time a month or so ago. I was amazed to find such a great selection 5 minutes away from my house.

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 09:15:18PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. Hey... What happened to the Burlington store? Everytime I drive to Billerica to visit ye ol' employer's co-lo facility I feel I should stop off. :( -- Randomly Generated Tagline: `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".' (By Linus Torvalds)

March 9, 2004

Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by Andy Stewart

>From Softpro - FYI: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our operations into our one Waltham store. The economy has taken its toll on our Marlborough location which we opened with great optimism over 4 years ago. Our last day will be Sat., March 20. Between now and then, we're selling all of our Marlboro inventory at 25% off (sorry, no special orders). Gift certificates will continue to be honored at our Waltham store. We apologize for any inconvenience to our Marlborough area customers and hope that you will visit us in our Waltham store, conveniently located on Route 128/95 at the Totten Pond Road exit. For directions, please visit our web site (www.softpro.com/info.html) or call us at 781-487-2220. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 08 March 2004 12:08 am, brad noyes wrote: > > This is called a KIOSlave. KDE has many KIOSlaves that are available to all > KDE applications. If you are running KDE 3.2, start kinfocenter, about > two-thirds of the way down the list on your left, you'll see 'Protocols', > click that to see all the protocols, or KIOSlaves, available in KDE. > Another one that i use is info:// because i can never remember how to > navigate info pages. > > This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome > has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. > > enjoy, > --Brad HI Brad, I didn't know about kinfocenter. Upon seeing that, I suspected that this info was also buried in the KDE Control Center, but I don't see it there (I'm running KDE 3.1.4). After poking around, I see that it is available in the KDE Help Center (khelpcenter). I tried using the fish protocol to access the machine hosting the WLUG website, and it worked just great. I've been looking for this definitive list of the KIOSlaves for some time. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 12:08:51AM -0500, brad noyes wrote: > This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome > has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. I don't know if KDE started it or not, but at least gnome and lftp both support "fish" protocol. The fish apparently (roughly) stands for "files over ssh", and appears to be an alternative to sftp. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by brad noyes

On Sunday 07 March 2004 20:08, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI all, > Hi, > Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can > apparently use? > >From KDE Docs: "Allows you to access another computer's files using a simple SSH shell account and standard UNIX® utilities on the remote side." This is not only for konqueror, but all KDE enabled applications. For example, if you are writing a document using kword or kate, you can go to 'File->Save As ... ' and in the directory location you can type fish://<remotehost>/ and you'll be able to save the kword document to the remote host over ssh. This actually applies anythere you see a file dialog in a KDE application. > I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type > things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), > and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to > work the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. > > Does anybody have any experience with this? This is called a KIOSlave. KDE has many KIOSlaves that are available to all KDE applications. If you are running KDE 3.2, start kinfocenter, about two-thirds of the way down the list on your left, you'll see 'Protocols', click that to see all the protocols, or KIOSlaves, available in KDE. Another one that i use is info:// because i can never remember how to navigate info pages. This is a really cool technology that KDE has had since the 2.0 days. Gnome has something similar called GnomeVFS, i believe. enjoy, --Brad

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Gregory Boyce

On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 20:08, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI all, > > Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can apparently > use? > > I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type > things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), > and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to work > the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. > > Does anybody have any experience with this? I haven't used it, but a quick google search turned up this: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2003-11/1544.html It's apparently a kde built in scp functionality. -- Gregory Boyce <gboyce(a)badbelly.com>

March 8, 2004

KDE: Konqueror and fish protocol

by Andy Stewart

HI all, Does anybody know what this "fish protocol" is that Konqueror can apparently use? I've noticed in Konqueror that besides typing "http:", one can also type things like "camera:", "ftp:", "sftp:" (but it doesn't quite work for me), and perhaps many others. I've just discovered "fish:" which appears to work the way I would expect "sftp:" to work. Does anybody have any experience with this? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Scott Venier wrote: > Charles R. Anderson said: > > On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 07:03:49PM -0500, Ryan Caron wrote: > >> Gentoo since its so customizable, and the fact that everything is > >> compiled > >> from the source code speeds up the computer a fair amount. > > > > Placebo affect most likely. > > > Thank you thank you thank you. > > I'm so sick of the gentoo weenies claiming that. As a "Gentoo Weenie" (Don't worry, no real offense taken), I'd like to comment on this. Yes, Gentoo does compile packages optimized for the CPU. I'm sure this does speed up packages, although probably not as much as a lot of Gentoo users seem to think. What people fail to take into consideration is the other available optimizations. When packages are compiled for most major distributions need to compile any and all available options that the distribution will support for any particular set of users. For a quick example: Evolution. Here are the available options you can enable/disable in Evolution for Gentoo: crypt doc ipv6 kde kerberos ldap mozilla pda spell ssl Redhat would need to compile support for all of these things into Evolution if any of their customers are going to use the feature. Each of these options add more memory requirements to evolution at the very least. Certain options may also increase the amount of cpu time used by the process as well. Other packages have even more options. Added together you can certainly save quite a bit of system resources on a heavily utilized system. Changes to the kernel itself and glibc can also give you savings or performance increases. (Yes, you can compile a custom kernel for other distros). Enabling nptl for glibc can give you a big speed increase if you're not using any programs that break with it. -- Greg

March 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Repartitioning for Installfest

by Frank Rizzo

> Martin, Eric wrote: > What are you looking for as far as help? > > > I'm running RH8.0 on my server. > > a. I'm not sure if I should continue to use RH as support has expired, and I > can't affort their enterprise version. I was using RedHat for a while, and made the switch to SlackWare 9.1, seems really stable and comes 2.6 "ready". It aslo has rpm capabilites ( I haven't tested yet ). I'm happy I made the switch. -joe

March 4, 2004