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Hot Swap Drives on a Inspiron 9100

by Chuck Haines

I just got a nice new Inspiron 9100 for work (a huge beast I might add) and I just installed Fedora Core 2 on it. I'm curious if anyone has any links or experience in how to make it so I can hot swap the drives (dvd burner, cd-rom, floppy, extra battery) without having to reboot. I've done some googling searching but haven't really found anything yet. If you could reply back to hainesca(a)nv.doe.gov (my work email), I'd be much appreciative. Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Michael Long

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: >> So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management >> integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who >> can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've >> provided a full-service CMS solution. > Check out plone.org. This is built on top of Zope (zope.org) an excellent web application framework.

July 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management > integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who > can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've > provided a full-service CMS solution. This topic comes up from time to time. Has anyone played with any CMS stuff? I think it would make a great talk at an upcoming WLUG meeting, even just to answer the basic questions, What is a CMS? Why do I need/want one?

July 5, 2004

Open Source CMS?

by Dwight A. Ernest

Hi. I have a consulting client that is a non-profit in the midst of an IT management change. They have been seeking a good content management system for some time, but have not been seriously considering open source solutions for that need in spite of my cajoling them into that direction, in spite of the fact that the majority of their current web solution is built on Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL/etc. The main objection has been a lack of knowledge of any providers of a full-service CMS solution: sizing, integration, training, implementation, etc., which is something one can pretty much take for granted when dealing with proprietary CMSes. So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've provided a full-service CMS solution. I look forward to hearing from you. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

July 5, 2004

LPI-LUG.org

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Hello Andy, This is the organization I was telling you about Thursday night during the quarterly meeting. Think there might be any interest? You can check out the website at www.lpi-lug.org/. Al Butler LPI-LUG.org - What is it? This site is to promote the certification of Linux users through their LUG's (Linux User Groups). This is a site sponsored by the Open Source Software Institute, the United States Affiliate of LPI. There are two main sections of this site. The first section is devoted to individual Linux users/advocates/etc. The Linux Professionals Exchange is designed for registered individuals of LPI-LUG.org and provides access to employment opportunities that can only be found on LPI-LUG.org. Linux Users Groups are also encouraged to register with LPI-LUG.org. This first step will start communication between LPI-LUG.org and your LUG. Once registered, you are eligible for the benefits associated with being an LPI-LUG. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to the New Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

July 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:04:29 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > ... If anybody gets one of these, I'd be curious > to know what they think of it. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:00:55 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > I just filled out the questionaire. the final page had this to say: > > Thank you William ! Your Linux Technical Resource Kit has been > successfully received. > We will contact you by e-mail as soon as your order ships. > ... OKAY! I got THIS in my email box yesterday (Friday, 02 July) [edited to protect... Suffice to say it was addressed from Novell!]: ======================================================== Subject: Novell/SuSE/Ximian Technical Resource Kit Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:23:01 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta I just wanted to let you know that the free Tech resource kit you have ordered has been shipped and you should be receiving it soon. Brent Sharp Novell Customer Communities ======================================================== Ahhhh... i can hardly wait! :D I figure that because of the holiday, it should get here sometime around Thursday, give or take. I'll let you all know what happens... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however improbable, must be the Truth. -- Sherlock Holmes * TAG! v3.1a *

July 3, 2004

Fwd: 7/15 Technical Focus Group Invite for Boston-Area User Groups

by Andy Stewart

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July 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] stuff

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 02 July 2004 11:00 am, orbitz wrote: > And then? > > J Schonberg wrote: > >Hi Andy. > > > >I guess if you are reading this, you made it home safely. > > > >I stepped off the train . . . and a bunch of us waited for the train > >to move forward to cross the tracks. Then the conductor indicated > >that we could cross infront of the train because the train wasn't > >going anywhere. > > > >When I crossed the tracks, I saw the first of three poliece cars . . > I met Jason and a couple of other WLUGers at the MegaLUG meeting in Boston on Thursday evening. Jason and I ended up riding the Lowell train at midnight to get home. Jason exited at N. Billerica, and the train sat idle for about 5 minutes. I wondered why. Suddenly, the conductor and 2 Billerica police officers boarded the train and walked past me to the rear of the car. One "gentleman" was escorted off of the train for offenses unknown to me. As the train left the station, I saw 3 police cars in the parking lot. The train proceeded to the Lowell station without further incident. I guess the suspense was better than the real story.... :-) Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA5YdyHl0iXDssISsRAhuLAJ42/MCqxWRccbSnxamWcQO18bNkxgCeIF9R /j7jcekZxYruLqaRxlIV5bc= =nkta -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] stuff

by orbitz

And then? J Schonberg wrote: >Hi Andy. > >I guess if you are reading this, you made it home safely. > >I stepped off the train . . . and a bunch of us waited for the train >to move forward to cross the tracks. Then the conductor indicated >that we could cross infront of the train because the train wasn't >going anywhere. > >When I crossed the tracks, I saw the first of three poliece cars . . > > >

July 2, 2004

stuff

by J Schonberg

Hi Andy. I guess if you are reading this, you made it home safely. I stepped off the train . . . and a bunch of us waited for the train to move forward to cross the tracks. Then the conductor indicated that we could cross infront of the train because the train wasn't going anywhere. When I crossed the tracks, I saw the first of three poliece cars . . . Eithere they were expecting a lot of trouble of it was a quite night elsewhere in Billrica. The individual they removed from the train didn't look like you and I guessed that the train would eventually go to Lowell. -- Ok, the web link that ISPs can now read your e-mail http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,64043,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 -- When you have a chance, send me the info about the folks that re-did your windows. Thanks. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

July 2, 2004

External Harddrive Cases and Such

by sageman＠WPI.EDU

> From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations? > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <16609.39769.539479.557377(a)gargle.gargle.HOWL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Folks, > > Anyone know of a good FireWire and/or USB 2.0 external Hard Drive > case? It's got to have a builtin powersupply and be durable. Any > suggestions appreciated. > > John On a different, although related note, was wondering if anyone has had success with a Maxtor OneTouch brand external harddrive. I've read in howtos and in the kernel that you need to enable SCSI to access external USB 2.0/Firewire harddrives, and I assume that the Maxtor OneTouch will go off without a hitch. Right now you can get a 300 GB one off newegg for roughly $270, which is only about $20 more than the internal one. I was thinking of setting up a cron job to backup certain files to the external harddrive. Right now I have a RAID 5 system set up but think this is overkill; additionally, an external harddrive makes sharing between computers that aren't on a network much easier and is mobile to go with my laptop (setting up my laptop to play oggs through my car stereo is something I plan on doing, and instead of backing up my music collection on the laptop I could simply do it on the external harddrive and get a power inteverter to power it via the cigarette lighter plug). Additionally, I can just do striping over my harddrives instead of RAID 5'ing them and increase the preformance (why not? hehe). I was thinking about doing the external harddrive case deal but for backup at least this doesn't seem like a good alternative, since the external harddrive is only $20 more and the external harddrive case is much more than that. In less you plan on buying four or more harddrives to swap into the case, its not really cost effective. As for the long run, an external harddrive case isn't viable anywho, since a couple years from now its going to be nothing compared to the new ones, plus external harddrive technology will advance and speed up tremendously; look at Firewire 800 right now, already out, and one sees that 'investing' in an external harddrive case just doesn't pay out. Just my $.02.

July 1, 2004

connections

by doug waud

Hi Just a thought/comment (couldn't resist!) From: Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> if((get_cur_temp("Fahrenheit") >= 70) && (osha_violation("electric_fence") == OFF)) { pool.occupants.add(Tim); } I gather, Tim, that you are not enamored of firewire! :-) doug

July 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations?

by John Stoffel

John> Anyone know of a good FireWire and/or USB 2.0 external Hard John> Drive case? It's got to have a builtin powersupply and be John> durable. Any suggestions appreciated. Well, I didn't get any replies, but I went and looked around a bit and found a "Speed Metal Box" at a local store, but which I didn't like because it required a wall wart to use. Plus, it didn' have a builtin fan, it relied entirely on convection only. So I ended up ordering (for a cheaper price!) an ME-320 5.25" enclosure with builtin power supply and USB 2.0 and firewire interfaces. I'll let people know how it works once it comes in. It will be holding a 120gb disk for backups and data transfer uses. I'll let people know how it works out. John

July 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Website updated...upcoming activity

by doug waud

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:19 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: [Wlug] Website updated...upcoming activity > > Also, an early reminder about the annual WLUG BBQ , which will be held in > Shrewsbury, MA USA at Doug Waud's house on Wednesday, July 21st at 6:00 PM > (yes, that's 6:00 PM and its not a misprint (is it Doug??)). I don't think so. The reasoning was to time it so nobody had to wait around twiddling thumbs for a 7:00 start date. doug

July 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations?

by Doug Geiger

Laptop hard drive or full-sized? The lab I work in has a couple of these portable Firewire/USB 2.0 enclosures: http://www.cooldrives.com/25firmobexen.html It needs external power (there's a picture of the adapter on the page) only for plugging into the mini-Firewire connections (i.e. most laptop firewire connections), but works fine with a full-sized firewire, or USB without external power. It's just large enough for a laptop drive, so very portable (we fit the whole kit including all the extra connectors into one of those 25-CD nylon cases). -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)ece.wpi.edu runexe(a)ieee.org doug.geiger(a)gmail.com dgeiger(a)alum.wpi.edu Surface Metrology Lab Manager -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:40 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations? Folks, Anyone know of a good FireWire and/or USB 2.0 external Hard Drive case? It's got to have a builtin powersupply and be durable. Any suggestions appreciated. John _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 29, 2004

Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations?

by John Stoffel

Folks, Anyone know of a good FireWire and/or USB 2.0 external Hard Drive case? It's got to have a builtin powersupply and be durable. Any suggestions appreciated. John

June 29, 2004

Fwd: [Wlug] GNHLUG quarterly meeting to be held at USENIX Technical Conference

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder about the LUG meeting to which we've all been invited that will be held in Boston this coming Thursday. I plan to be there and I hope to see many of you also. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA4YsnHl0iXDssISsRAimHAJ4vnXyg9uvWiHoveiEok0diMAEuPgCaAuZH vBRMRNJYsCVG2y33rkDg2hM= =ILaC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 29, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Website updated...upcoming activity

by Keller, Tim

if((get_cur_temp("Fahrenheit") >= 70) && (osha_violation("electric_fence") == OFF)) { pool.occupants.add(Tim); } -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:19 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Website updated...upcoming activity -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, I've finally gotten around to updating the WLUG website - my apologies for the delay. o slides from June talk are available (bootsplash and gfxboot) o slides from John Rulnick's talk about Bay Path College linux courses Also, an early reminder about the annual WLUG BBQ , which will be held in Shrewsbury, MA USA at Doug Waud's house on Wednesday, July 21st at 6:00 PM (yes, that's 6:00 PM and its not a misprint (is it Doug??)). We will not have a meeting at WPI on this date - we'll all be at Doug's house. Oh, BTW, in years past, Doug has allowed us to use the pool, but for some reason, nobody has ever taken the plunge! This year, we need to change that. :-) No, I don't mean that Doug won't allow us to use the pool, but that we should actually *avail ourselves* of the opportunity. If you have wearable computing, be sure its waterproof. Have a great July 4th weekend ! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA4NGQHl0iXDssISsRAnYpAJ9ukXIUrkLypzdb4MEpzf/KGDHtnACfWCOr djcvaFmFf0/yaElqz6AmVx8= =KurN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 29, 2004

Website updated...upcoming activity

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, I've finally gotten around to updating the WLUG website - my apologies for the delay. o slides from June talk are available (bootsplash and gfxboot) o slides from John Rulnick's talk about Bay Path College linux courses Also, an early reminder about the annual WLUG BBQ , which will be held in Shrewsbury, MA USA at Doug Waud's house on Wednesday, July 21st at 6:00 PM (yes, that's 6:00 PM and its not a misprint (is it Doug??)). We will not have a meeting at WPI on this date - we'll all be at Doug's house. Oh, BTW, in years past, Doug has allowed us to use the pool, but for some reason, nobody has ever taken the plunge! This year, we need to change that. :-) No, I don't mean that Doug won't allow us to use the pool, but that we should actually *avail ourselves* of the opportunity. If you have wearable computing, be sure its waterproof. Have a great July 4th weekend ! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA4NGQHl0iXDssISsRAnYpAJ9ukXIUrkLypzdb4MEpzf/KGDHtnACfWCOr djcvaFmFf0/yaElqz6AmVx8= =KurN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL

by Marc Hughes

On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:52:50 -0400, Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > > Marc Hughes wrote: > > >I got 5 invites to gmail if anyone wants them. > > > > > Nothing personal intended, but why on earth would "the linux crowd" WANT > such a thing? I've been having an ongoing discussion with some of the > Phoenix LUG members. Everybody seems to be falling over themselves to > store some of their most personal information on SOMEBODY ELSE'S > servers. True, Google promises that they won't do anything bad with the > info. But even after reading the ToS, I'm creeped out by the idea. One > of the reasons I find linux appealing in the first place is that it give > me the capability to be (largely) idependent of others, and free from > their machinations. I hated being part of @Home (few years back) knowing > they were more focused on the marketing aspect rather than just > providing me the bandwidth I craved. > > Anyhow, now that drives are cheap, and we can run and fully control our > own servers, what's the APPEAL of gmail? > I don't see gmail as conflicting with Linux ideals. Linux is about choice. I feel having my email on someone elses machine is worth the benefits it gives me. Some people may hold their email conversations muce more dearly than I. Those people could make the choice to do things a bit more difficultly and register a domain and run their own mail server. -Marc

June 28, 2004

Linux programmer needed

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, I just received a request for some Linux expertise. - ------ I was wondering if you knew of any programmers (php/apache/mysql) through the WLUG who would be interested in helping me customize the opensourced medical practice and billing management program Openemr (www.synitech.com) - ------ If you are interested in this opportunity, please contact me directly and I'll send you the contact information. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA359LHl0iXDssISsRAp4cAJ9DTGbIVUA1xGHP0BA/aADtiaOFiQCfRecN rQXBnXfuMtkTNzQI5AGF09c= =n1/p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL

by Brock

Emacs' mail reader easily does this. A good friend of mine is an emacs user and has a single folder which he treats just like GMail -- search for what you want. It has saved searches (virtual folders) and all that jazz. Been around for a long ole' time. I'd bet a pretty penny there are quite a few other equivalents as well. You still have to maintain and backup the box though of course :) --Brock On 2004.06.26.14.37, Chuck Haines wrote: | Well I do run linux, but I like the way gmail does things. Gmail does | email a little differently than most people not using folders, but the | more I'm using it the more I'm liking it. If there was an email | solution that I could install on my linux box that give the same | filtering and searching and labels that google does, I'd use it. Not | to mention by using gmail it's someon else's problem for keeping the | network up and backing up my data. I've got plenty of linux boxes I | use but most broadband these days still gives me trouble for | reliability. | | Chuck

June 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL

by Chuck Haines

Well I do run linux, but I like the way gmail does things. Gmail does email a little differently than most people not using folders, but the more I'm using it the more I'm liking it. If there was an email solution that I could install on my linux box that give the same filtering and searching and labels that google does, I'd use it. Not to mention by using gmail it's someon else's problem for keeping the network up and backing up my data. I've got plenty of linux boxes I use but most broadband these days still gives me trouble for reliability. Chuck On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:00:23 -0400, wtmanders <wtmanders(a)rcn.com> wrote: > Although I don't use Linux, at least not now I could not agree more. I think > when I get a new computer this one is going to be used for Linux as by that > time it should be easy enough for none technical people. > GMail has to be one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard of. I > think there must be a lot of server space available for anyone to keep all > the nonsense that people send in emails. Wouldn't this discussion on GMail > be interesting 10 years form now? > I do enjoy reading the discussions on this link. > Tom > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Bob George > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:53 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL > > Marc Hughes wrote: > > >I got 5 invites to gmail if anyone wants them. > > > > > Nothing personal intended, but why on earth would "the linux crowd" WANT > such a thing? I've been having an ongoing discussion with some of the > Phoenix LUG members. Everybody seems to be falling over themselves to > store some of their most personal information on SOMEBODY ELSE'S > servers. True, Google promises that they won't do anything bad with the > info. But even after reading the ToS, I'm creeped out by the idea. One > of the reasons I find linux appealing in the first place is that it give > me the capability to be (largely) idependent of others, and free from > their machinations. I hated being part of @Home (few years back) knowing > they were more focused on the marketing aspect rather than just > providing me the bandwidth I craved. > > Anyhow, now that drives are cheap, and we can run and fully control our > own servers, what's the APPEAL of gmail? > > - Bob > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 26, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL

by wtmanders

Although I don't use Linux, at least not now I could not agree more. I think when I get a new computer this one is going to be used for Linux as by that time it should be easy enough for none technical people. GMail has to be one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard of. I think there must be a lot of server space available for anyone to keep all the nonsense that people send in emails. Wouldn't this discussion on GMail be interesting 10 years form now? I do enjoy reading the discussions on this link. Tom -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Bob George Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:53 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: GMAIL Marc Hughes wrote: >I got 5 invites to gmail if anyone wants them. > > Nothing personal intended, but why on earth would "the linux crowd" WANT such a thing? I've been having an ongoing discussion with some of the Phoenix LUG members. Everybody seems to be falling over themselves to store some of their most personal information on SOMEBODY ELSE'S servers. True, Google promises that they won't do anything bad with the info. But even after reading the ToS, I'm creeped out by the idea. One of the reasons I find linux appealing in the first place is that it give me the capability to be (largely) idependent of others, and free from their machinations. I hated being part of @Home (few years back) knowing they were more focused on the marketing aspect rather than just providing me the bandwidth I craved. Anyhow, now that drives are cheap, and we can run and fully control our own servers, what's the APPEAL of gmail? - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 26, 2004

Re: GMAIL

by Bob George

Marc Hughes wrote: >I got 5 invites to gmail if anyone wants them. > > Nothing personal intended, but why on earth would "the linux crowd" WANT such a thing? I've been having an ongoing discussion with some of the Phoenix LUG members. Everybody seems to be falling over themselves to store some of their most personal information on SOMEBODY ELSE'S servers. True, Google promises that they won't do anything bad with the info. But even after reading the ToS, I'm creeped out by the idea. One of the reasons I find linux appealing in the first place is that it give me the capability to be (largely) idependent of others, and free from their machinations. I hated being part of @Home (few years back) knowing they were more focused on the marketing aspect rather than just providing me the bandwidth I craved. Anyhow, now that drives are cheap, and we can run and fully control our own servers, what's the APPEAL of gmail? - Bob

June 26, 2004