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Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been > running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla > anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. I agree... I'll give it a try. > And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to > pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have > to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW > of course). I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to use your own domain...

Aug. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: > >> I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). >> They've got Win and Lin releases. > > I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would > expect given it is from the same folks). Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW of course). BR

Aug. 6, 2004

Job posting

by Mike Leo

Think this is my first mass-email but thought I would share with the group. I recruiter sent this to me today...i have no more information than what is listed below. If interested, I recommend communicating directly with the recruiter at winterwyman.com....he is Joe Kotlinski j jkotlinski(a)winterwyman.com--you can tell him Mike Leo sent you, for what ever that is worth. Good luck. "a successful start-up in the medical devices industry located in the MetroWest/495 area. They want to hire 3 desktop support people. The people they're seeking must have: 6-12 months of experience; Microsoft Networking, Windows 98/NT/2000/XP, and hands on knowledge of Microsoft Office, e-mail applications such as Outlook and Outlook Express and Internet Explorer; and a BS Degree. The base salary will probably max out in the low $40,000s." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > > I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). > They've got Win and Lin releases. I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would expect given it is from the same folks).

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Now that is a useful site! Thanks! Baris Hasdemir wrote: >Might be a side note... if not an answer to your questions: >http://migrate2linux.n-ix.com/groups/index.php > >baris > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 20:53, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > >>I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to >>moving entirely to Linux is not unique. <...> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Thats sounds perfect. I will double check, but I do believe the systems are configured with OS X... Josh wrote: >Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> writes: > > > >>>I want to be able to access any file created in any of the >>>three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs >>>at work and one or more of my machines at home without using >>>Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations >>>on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those >>>files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be >>>done with them. >>> >>> >>SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment >>on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for >>multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of >>the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) >>and probably Mac. >> >> > >If the systems are running Mac OS X, then you're in luck. It >comes with an nfs client (i.e., drop to the shell and just use >mount), and comes with openssh. I *think* rsync is also there >by default, but I could be wrong. >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Martin, Eric

A1: OpenOffice works fine with word / powerpoint. Only catch is Password protected docs. A2: Samba works for me. Its wicked easy to learn (took me maybe a few hours). I run a 200GB samba server in my basement with ReiserFS as the file system. Windows likes it, *NIX can mount it, and I assume OSX can too. A3: Can't help, sorry :( -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:54 PM To: WLUG Subject: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues... I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to moving entirely to Linux is not unique. I have spent plenty of time playing with Linux at home, but have always had to deal with platform-specific needs of employers, etc., so I have never been able to completely immerse myself in Linux. I'd still like to use Linux as my primary platform, but I have to deal with having to run quite specific apps in different environments. So, I'm looking to begin a discussion about how to set-up a home environment that is as much Linux-based as is possible while providing for the realities of platform-specific requirements. Of course, this is as much a discussion of applications as it is about platforms. I have 3 systems and 1 laptop at home, all of which are Pentium IIIs, one as fast as 800MHz (imagine that!), that are available for use in my home network. I must be able to run Internet Explorer 6.x (required for several web-enabled apps I must use on a regular basis), Word, and PowerPoint. My wife has a Pentium III laptop that must run XP because of her work, but it would be nice to have her access a linux file server for backup and such. (She also likes Linux games!) Also, I have a couple of laser printers and an ink jet that I would rather hang off of one print server. With an eye toward a home network that must include Microsoft and access to Macs at work, here are some questions to start this discussion off: Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: I will need to be reading/editing/creating Word and Powerpoint files (as most of the world do). I will be getting files to edit, and be creating others from scratch. I teach, so the results are intended for display on an ActiveBoard with the expectation of touching the board (or clicking from the console) to follow a link embedded in a powerpoint slide yielding a movie clip, or web page, or whatever. I'm told I have control over the department's files, but not to the extent of choosing something other than MS, so I'd like to use OpenOffice as my primary environment and then generate MS files for use at the school. I assume OpenOffice can do what PowerPoint can do (within reason), but I can't afford the time to "fix" generated MS Office files to work in a Mac or XP environment. Are the any OpenOffice users out there that can comment on this? Q2 - Heterogeneous access: I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be done with them. I assume VNC is available on the Mac, and that I would probably need to run SAMBA, but what are the options these days? I suppose I could set up a FTP server... I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already moved the web site to a commercial provider... Q3 - Email: Of primary concern is moving existing email from the MS environment (laptop) to Linux. I am trying to find a way to export all of my email from Mozilla 1.6 to a file or files that can then be moved to a Linux box and imported/read by a mail reader there, but I can't seem to find a way to do this... There is no export function in Mozilla 1.6 and the mail files are not consistently ASCII (at least from what I've seen). I have even tried to use other mailers' ability to import from their competitors, in the hopes that one of them can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that can be read by a standard Linux reader? Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering about other options... Thanks for your sage advice! Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Anyone proficient in Beowulf (cluster) installations?

by Brian Waite

I have been doing high performance large clusters for years now. I can proabably help you with some of the technical issues. How many nodes do you want to run? Whats; the interconnect. I'd love to be of ay help I can Thanks Brian On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:35:17 -0400, Dwight A. Ernest <dwight(a)significant.com> wrote: > I may need some help with a Beowulf cluster, with which I personally > have no experience; I'd love to hear if anyone on this list has any > relevant experience. Thanks! > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 6, 2004

Anyone proficient in Beowulf (cluster) installations?

by Dwight A. Ernest

I may need some help with a Beowulf cluster, with which I personally have no experience; I'd love to hear if anyone on this list has any relevant experience. Thanks! -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Baris Hasdemir

Might be a side note... if not an answer to your questions: http://migrate2linux.n-ix.com/groups/index.php baris On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 20:53, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to > moving entirely to Linux is not unique. <...>

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Josh

Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> writes: >> I want to be able to access any file created in any of the >> three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs >> at work and one or more of my machines at home without using >> Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations >> on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those >> files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be >> done with them. > > SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment > on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for > multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of > the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) > and probably Mac. If the systems are running Mac OS X, then you're in luck. It comes with an nfs client (i.e., drop to the shell and just use mount), and comes with openssh. I *think* rsync is also there by default, but I could be wrong.

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > >> Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: > > What you're going to find is that OO is quite compatible with a few > exceptions. [snip] This is what I hear. In fact, my father-in-law likes to tell of trying to read an older MS Office file using a newer version of MS Office without success, but was able to read it in OO... I hadn't thought about saving MS presentations as rtf, for example... Something to play with I suppose. [snip] >> I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already >> moved the web site to a commercial provider... > > No need for static IP with all of the dynamic DNS providers out > there. Check out http://www.dyndns.org/ right here in Worcester. > Then use the ddclient daemon (or similar) to keep it up to date. Thanks! I hadn't heard about dyndns...$25 per year is a lot less than paying for a static IP!! >> Q3 - Email: > > This is the easiest one yet! Mozilla stores mail in the mbox format, > [snip] > You don't need the <folder>.msf files, those are only Mozilla internal > tracking stuff. > > I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). > They've got Win and Lin releases. Yes, I noticed the file structure but wasn't sure about attachments and how they are treated in Mozilla. Looks like they are just in-line to me. >> Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle >> email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only >> from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all >> the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different >> accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep >> track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering >> about other options... > > Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all > mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can > access it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter > (my ISP) used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was > turned off and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages > multiple times since multiple machines are checking mail all the > time. IMAP is superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself > then go that route. This is exactly where I ended up when I decided that I do not want to have to set-up and run my own services. What about pointing the agent at a file structure that lives on another machine, can that be done with Thunderbird? If so, then all the POPing can be done on one machine... Then again, I have been leaving the messages on the various servers under POP3 except for the one machine at home where the email is actually removed from the server after download. This can be problematic with size limits on some of the mail servers though... Steve

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 10:20:22PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: <snip> > Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all > mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can access > it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter (my ISP) > used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was turned off > and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages multiple times > since multiple machines are checking mail all the time. IMAP is > superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself then go that route. > > HTH. > BR Brett, I just abandoned charter in favor of verizon dsl. I was tired of the expensive package deals, and I gave up cable entirely. I'm saving $80/month and getting better speed. I don't use their email at all -- I have an account at Westhost $8/month, so I'm not dependent on any specific connection provider. Westhost has pop3, but I don't have any difficulty with it. My only complaint is that verizon changes my IP at least once/week, but that doesn't bother me much -- I export my WAN IP to my Westhost account so I can always find my home machine from work. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd use dyndns.org. Bill

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: What you're going to find is that OO is quite compatible with a few exceptions. I'm a Linux only user making OO work for me in a MS based environment and I've seen some cases where minor things get tweaked or dropped after editing in OO. Page numbers disappeared once. Another case introduced a discrepancy with section numbers. Table of content generation is not always flawless. But overall I have been *very* impressed with the progress OO has made and wholeheartedly recommend it over the other pricey suite. Excel and Powerpoint compatibilty seem even more stable. For sharing content, I use the PDF export engine as much as possible. > Q2 - Heterogeneous access: > > I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three > environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one > or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid > any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be > able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for > whatever needs to be done with them. SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) and probably Mac. > I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already > moved the web site to a commercial provider... No need for static IP with all of the dynamic DNS providers out there. Check out http://www.dyndns.org/ right here in Worcester. Then use the ddclient daemon (or similar) to keep it up to date. > Q3 - Email: > > can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing > about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla > into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that > can be read by a standard Linux reader? This is the easiest one yet! Mozilla stores mail in the mbox format, which is pretty much standard UNIX email fare. Any email reader worth its salt can read mbox. Right click on one of your email accounts (top level) and go to properties. The folder listed is where your email is stored. There's an mbox file for each "folder" you have, this can be tar'ed and gzip'ed and imported to another machine easily. You don't need the <folder>.msf files, those are only Mozilla internal tracking stuff. I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). They've got Win and Lin releases. > Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle > email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only > from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the > servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different > accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep > track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering > about other options... Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can access it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter (my ISP) used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was turned off and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages multiple times since multiple machines are checking mail all the time. IMAP is superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself then go that route. HTH. BR

Aug. 6, 2004

Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to moving entirely to Linux is not unique. I have spent plenty of time playing with Linux at home, but have always had to deal with platform-specific needs of employers, etc., so I have never been able to completely immerse myself in Linux. I'd still like to use Linux as my primary platform, but I have to deal with having to run quite specific apps in different environments. So, I'm looking to begin a discussion about how to set-up a home environment that is as much Linux-based as is possible while providing for the realities of platform-specific requirements. Of course, this is as much a discussion of applications as it is about platforms. I have 3 systems and 1 laptop at home, all of which are Pentium IIIs, one as fast as 800MHz (imagine that!), that are available for use in my home network. I must be able to run Internet Explorer 6.x (required for several web-enabled apps I must use on a regular basis), Word, and PowerPoint. My wife has a Pentium III laptop that must run XP because of her work, but it would be nice to have her access a linux file server for backup and such. (She also likes Linux games!) Also, I have a couple of laser printers and an ink jet that I would rather hang off of one print server. With an eye toward a home network that must include Microsoft and access to Macs at work, here are some questions to start this discussion off: Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: I will need to be reading/editing/creating Word and Powerpoint files (as most of the world do). I will be getting files to edit, and be creating others from scratch. I teach, so the results are intended for display on an ActiveBoard with the expectation of touching the board (or clicking from the console) to follow a link embedded in a powerpoint slide yielding a movie clip, or web page, or whatever. I'm told I have control over the department's files, but not to the extent of choosing something other than MS, so I'd like to use OpenOffice as my primary environment and then generate MS files for use at the school. I assume OpenOffice can do what PowerPoint can do (within reason), but I can't afford the time to "fix" generated MS Office files to work in a Mac or XP environment. Are the any OpenOffice users out there that can comment on this? Q2 - Heterogeneous access: I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be done with them. I assume VNC is available on the Mac, and that I would probably need to run SAMBA, but what are the options these days? I suppose I could set up a FTP server... I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already moved the web site to a commercial provider... Q3 - Email: Of primary concern is moving existing email from the MS environment (laptop) to Linux. I am trying to find a way to export all of my email from Mozilla 1.6 to a file or files that can then be moved to a Linux box and imported/read by a mail reader there, but I can't seem to find a way to do this... There is no export function in Mozilla 1.6 and the mail files are not consistently ASCII (at least from what I've seen). I have even tried to use other mailers' ability to import from their competitors, in the hopes that one of them can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that can be read by a standard Linux reader? Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering about other options... Thanks for your sage advice! Steve

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Graphing Package for Python.

by doug waud

Hi Chuck Noyes wrote: > I'd > like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn > graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph > package I can plug into python. Just this week I had to generate a couple of drawings of a deck I am making. I forgot gnuplot exists and, rooting around in the SuSE menu found the Open Office draw program. While it draws in its own format, it exports in many others --- pdf, eps, gif, etc. (I used pdf). I picked it up intuitively right away and was able to get my plan and elevation done in short time. I don't know what you mean by "plug into python" so I am not sure whether Open Office Draw will fill that bill. Hope this helps doug PS I'll not burden the list with an example but, if you want an example, I can easily forward one of those pdf files (or another format if you want to see if that particular one would do your job). Just let me know.

Aug. 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Graphing Package for Python.

by Karl Hiramoto

Can you use gnuplot? There is a python wrapper. http://gnuplot-py.sourceforge.net/ Chuck Noyes wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm using version 2.2 python on a laptop running RH9; 2.4.23 kernel. I'd > like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn > graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph > package I can plug into python. I'd really like to stay away from object- > oriented stuff, mostly because I don't understand it too well. > > Since the scripts I'm working on will probably be run on MS Windows as > well as in Linux, the package will need to have a MS version too. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Hello, GORRY-O!! I'm a GENIUS from HARVARD!!

Aug. 3, 2004

Graphing Package for Python.

by Chuck Noyes

Hi all, I'm using version 2.2 python on a laptop running RH9; 2.4.23 kernel. I'd like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph package I can plug into python. I'd really like to stay away from object- oriented stuff, mostly because I don't understand it too well. Since the scripts I'm working on will probably be run on MS Windows as well as in Linux, the package will need to have a MS version too. Thanks, -Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Aug. 2, 2004

Speaker for next meeting

by albutler33＠netscape.net

I'm in. I'd be interested in hearing a talk on SELinux. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Aug. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: August Speaker Proposal

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 July 2004 12:05 am, Phil H wrote: > > I'd be interested in hearing it, but I'll be out of the country. Next > meeting, I guess. > Will the slides (if any) be made available online for those who can't make > it? > > Phil HI Phil, I will post the presenter's slides with permission. You can see the slides from past presentations on the WLUG website. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBCsXbHl0iXDssISsRAqTkAJ9ljIMkXhwmGrbbIzYR+1e/PfZSCgCfZOSI Nd8UYNZC891MzrEyW0BJvg4= =h2ck -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Martin, Eric

All fdisk /mbr does is replace your mbr with windows info...the most it would screw up is grub / lilo (what ever is in your mbr). That can be replaced with any livecd and a quick command from grub or lilo. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:43 AM To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues Hi Doug, I haven't tried fdisk /mbr because I don't really fully understand what it does and have never seen a good explanation of how it will affect linux partitions. This morning, I read that it shouldn't be used on disks that have more than four partitions. I have five partitions and some unclaimed space. I might try it later today. Beside that, anything of value is on the linux side of the disk. (That's not a microsoft slur, it's just where I have my files.) So, while I would like to be able to get the whole thing back to its original working order as a learning exercise, I'm more motivated to get to the linux partitions. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi again > > This time, let's try focussing on one thing to try. > > I don't see that you have ever tried the standard way to restore the > MBR > for Windows --- boot a Windows floppy with fdisk on it and type > fdisk /mbr > and, if you still cannot boot windows, add a > sys c: > > It is not clear from here why you did not try this. > > doug > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> doug waud wrote: >> >>> Hi again Greg >>> >>> Gregory Avedissian wrote: >>> >>>> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with >>>> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, >>>> >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 >>>> >>>> I restored with: >>>> >>>> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >>>> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. >> >> >> >> > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not >> touch the >> > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not >> have >> > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that >> > boot.MBR file. >> >> No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups within >> days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working mbr. >> >>> >>> It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were >>> doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines >>> creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 >>> bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your >>> troubles.) >>> >>> >>> Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the >>> SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as >>> an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then >>> simply run LILO to refresh it. >>> >> >> I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed suse8.2 >> and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I don't >> recall if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows >> after I installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. >> >> When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung with >> the message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." >> >> I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this >> point. >> I tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't help. >> I could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember if I >> could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with >> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >> >> After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying to >> boot the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then >> booted to the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: >> >> Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >> /dev/hda: unrecognized partition >> No partitions found >> >> Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, either. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 30, 2004

Re: August Speaker Proposal

by Phil H

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:00:11 -0400, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Cc: dwalsh(a)redhat.com > Message-ID: <16647.46057.757622.844343(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello, > > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? > > -Jeff I'd be interested in hearing it, but I'll be out of the country. Next meeting, I guess. Will the slides (if any) be made available online for those who can't make it? Phil

July 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Keller, Tim

Well, if your only keeping your windows partition around to watch DVD's, that's something that you've been able todo in linux for a long time. Check out mplayer / Xine and Ogle. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:13 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues Here's the update: Went into BIOS and set the disk to LBA. This resulted in sfdisk -l showing the same geometry as the kernel (CHS 3737/255/63) This put the start and end of the first partition at 0 and 1023. Somewhere along the line, my windows partition grew by 2GB. Is it possible that it's reading a previous partition table? Win98 was still showing c: to be 5.8GB, and dos fdisk was still showing it as 8.2 GB. So, I took Doug's advice and said a prayer, then went at it. Set the win partition back to 6GB with dos (win98) fdisk (with the drive hooked up as master.) This made windows unbootable, and fdisk /mbr didn't correct it. That's ok. I did have it working again until then, and I could have retrieved my data if I'd had any on that partition. Connected the drive as slave and put another drive I had with a non-critical linux installation on as hda (in case I screwed up and partitioned the wrong drive). Booted into linux and repartitioned with sfdisk /dev/hdb, putting in parameters for <start cylinder> <size in cylinders> <type> for each partition when promted: /dev/hdb1 0 765 c * /dev/hdb2 765 130 82 /dev/hdb3 896 1044 (L for linux is the default) /dev/hdb4 1941 1795 (tried both 85 for linux extended and 5 for win extended) /dev/hdb5 1941 1305 L /dev/hdb6 - it insisted on setting up hdb6, so I just hit enter, and let it take the rest of the disk. This was originally unpartitioned space. I then was able to mount /dev/hdb3 and access my root filesystem. I was not able to mount /dev/hdb5 to access my /home partition. Error message from mount was "wrong filesystem type or too many mounted filesystems). Unless someone knows the secret code to to mount a recovered logical partition, I'll assume that there's no easy way to do it and finish this project (i.e. wipe the disk and start over, without putting windows on this drive.) No more extended partitions for this boy. On a brighter note, I learned how to get windows98 to boot from the SECOND hard drive, and that gives me great satisfaction. It was way easier than I thought, and if anyone's interested, I'll give details. This means that when I figure out how to watch movies on dvd in linux, I can get rid of windows by simply removing the second drive. Thanks to all for your help with this. Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:27:01PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>>What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? >> >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > >>>What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? >> >>capacity 30740 MB >>cylinder 59560 >>head 16 >>precomp 0 >>landing zone 59559 >>sector 63 > > > The BIOS and kernel agree on the size of the disk. 59560/(255/16) = > 3737 cylinders. I would however make sure the BIOS is set to LBA mode > if it isn't, which should cause the heads to become 255. > > >>>What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? >> >>Model: DTLA-307030 >>Capacity: 30.7 GB >>LBA 60.036.480 sectors >>CHS: 16383/16/63 >>MLC: F80033 > > > Strange. That doesn't add up at all. Ah, here it is: > > "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks > larger than 8.4 GB" [1] > > >>And here's more: >>DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. >>Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. > > > Interesting. > > >>gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as >>hdb for convenience) >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > > Agrees with the kernel above. > > >>sfdisk -l >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > > Here is the problem. sfdisk is seeing the wrong number geometry. I > would attempt to fix the C/H/S values in the partition table with > sfdisk. First I would read [1] in it's entirety--it goes into all the > gory details of geometry and size limits. > > Here are some useful documents on geometry and partitioning: > > [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html > > [2] http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=/ windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/prork/prcb_dis_qxql.asp > > [3] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us /Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkd_t ro_kyrr.asp > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Here's the update: Went into BIOS and set the disk to LBA. This resulted in sfdisk -l showing the same geometry as the kernel (CHS 3737/255/63) This put the start and end of the first partition at 0 and 1023. Somewhere along the line, my windows partition grew by 2GB. Is it possible that it's reading a previous partition table? Win98 was still showing c: to be 5.8GB, and dos fdisk was still showing it as 8.2 GB. So, I took Doug's advice and said a prayer, then went at it. Set the win partition back to 6GB with dos (win98) fdisk (with the drive hooked up as master.) This made windows unbootable, and fdisk /mbr didn't correct it. That's ok. I did have it working again until then, and I could have retrieved my data if I'd had any on that partition. Connected the drive as slave and put another drive I had with a non-critical linux installation on as hda (in case I screwed up and partitioned the wrong drive). Booted into linux and repartitioned with sfdisk /dev/hdb, putting in parameters for <start cylinder> <size in cylinders> <type> for each partition when promted: /dev/hdb1 0 765 c * /dev/hdb2 765 130 82 /dev/hdb3 896 1044 (L for linux is the default) /dev/hdb4 1941 1795 (tried both 85 for linux extended and 5 for win extended) /dev/hdb5 1941 1305 L /dev/hdb6 - it insisted on setting up hdb6, so I just hit enter, and let it take the rest of the disk. This was originally unpartitioned space. I then was able to mount /dev/hdb3 and access my root filesystem. I was not able to mount /dev/hdb5 to access my /home partition. Error message from mount was "wrong filesystem type or too many mounted filesystems). Unless someone knows the secret code to to mount a recovered logical partition, I'll assume that there's no easy way to do it and finish this project (i.e. wipe the disk and start over, without putting windows on this drive.) No more extended partitions for this boy. On a brighter note, I learned how to get windows98 to boot from the SECOND hard drive, and that gives me great satisfaction. It was way easier than I thought, and if anyone's interested, I'll give details. This means that when I figure out how to watch movies on dvd in linux, I can get rid of windows by simply removing the second drive. Thanks to all for your help with this. Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:27:01PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>>What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? >> >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > >>>What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? >> >>capacity 30740 MB >>cylinder 59560 >>head 16 >>precomp 0 >>landing zone 59559 >>sector 63 > > > The BIOS and kernel agree on the size of the disk. 59560/(255/16) = > 3737 cylinders. I would however make sure the BIOS is set to LBA mode > if it isn't, which should cause the heads to become 255. > > >>>What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? >> >>Model: DTLA-307030 >>Capacity: 30.7 GB >>LBA 60.036.480 sectors >>CHS: 16383/16/63 >>MLC: F80033 > > > Strange. That doesn't add up at all. Ah, here it is: > > "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks > larger than 8.4 GB" [1] > > >>And here's more: >>DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. >>Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. > > > Interesting. > > >>gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as >>hdb for convenience) >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > > Agrees with the kernel above. > > >>sfdisk -l >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > > Here is the problem. sfdisk is seeing the wrong number geometry. I > would attempt to fix the C/H/S values in the partition table with > sfdisk. First I would read [1] in it's entirety--it goes into all the > gory details of geometry and size limits. > > Here are some useful documents on geometry and partitioning: > > [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html > > [2] http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=… > > [3] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u… > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 29, 2004

Fwd: Announcing the First Annual VMware User Conference

by Andy Stewart

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July 29, 2004