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Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:47:30PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > One problem which I have discovered is that modern distributions have large > memory requirements just for the darn graphical installer(!). You might need > to find a distribution that still has either a graphically light installer or > perhaps a text based installer. I believe SuSE still has a text based > installer, and I think Slakware's installer is "graphically light" (its > ncurses, isn't it?). Actually, for RPM-based distros, or at least Anaconda-installer-based ones (Red Hat, Fedora Core) a large part of the memory requirement isn't the graphical installer, but the RPM transaction set size. Even text-based installs of these distros can use 64MB or more just for the installer.

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 15 August 2004 8:31 am, Andrew Perry wrote: > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions Hi Andrew, One problem which I have discovered is that modern distributions have large memory requirements just for the darn graphical installer(!). You might need to find a distribution that still has either a graphically light installer or perhaps a text based installer. I believe SuSE still has a text based installer, and I think Slakware's installer is "graphically light" (its ncurses, isn't it?). In addition, if you want a graphical environment, you would want to consider using window managers such as FVWM(2), blackbox, icewm, etc. (or anything that requires a small amount of memory). 64 MB isn't so bad as long as you have a fair amount of swap space and don't run applications which are memory hogs. I suspect that KDE or GNOME would run unacceptably slowly in 64 MB. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBH5OjHl0iXDssISsRAjaRAJ9i7Wz3mpYb8LPDiWFeX0E6wxf/aACfUiNF R/omYcXy6Wglxr2DEnqB0dI= =vmqG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by frank p

The usual response: it depends. Do you want to have a nice graphical interface to a bunch of system utilities? Do you need just a command line interface to get a feel for linux command-line? When you say that you are looking to "learn more about linux", do you mean from an administrative perspective or a developer perspective or an applications perspective...? IMHO, in general... On the really old machines, you could probably put a minimalistic install of any number of distributions. I tend to favor Debian there, especially since it installs nicely (if you know what you're doing) into 300MB of space. I'd say anything 300Mhz and above should be able to run any of the really graphical-based distros (redhat, fedora, mandrake, suse)... though disk space will be a large factore, I'm sure. hope that helps, somewhat -frank p On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Andrew Perry wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > but offer no guidance as to the hardware requirements. > > Thanks, > Andrew

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Mike Leo

i recommend slackware, but don't know the hardware requirements, but this is the minimum hardware per the site: 386 processor 16MB RAM 50 megabytes of hard disk space 3.5" floppy drive You can obtain it here: http://www.slackware.org/getslack/ I recommend it since I was using Redhat for a long time and tried slack just about a month ago. Slackware is incredibly much faster (is that a sentence?). I was ammazed at its speed and quickness. It is small and streamlined and more generic to linux. I know redhat, but it is hard to get around in other distro's since Redhat does things so differently. --- Andrew Perry <perryand(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > but offer no guidance as to the hardware > requirements. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ===== > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 15, 2004

linux for older computers

by Andrew Perry

Hi everyone. I have some older computers, the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM and wonder if anyone could either a) recommend linux distributions for them or b) point me to a site with minimum hardware requirements for linux distributions Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on CD's. Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, but offer no guidance as to the hardware requirements. Thanks, Andrew ===== -Dr. Andrew B. Perry Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Does anyone know of any phones have the ability to sync with linux?

by Mike Leo

check this out: http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ haven't tried it yet myself in linux --- Arturo <postgres(a)sedo.net> wrote: > Hi All, > I've been searching for a cell phone and I wanted to > know if anyone knows of > one that has the ability to synchronize with linux. > More specifically, I > need the ability to synchronize the address book. > Synchronization of the > calendar as well would be really slick. > > A dream come true would be if anyone knows of a > program that can sync Nokia > 6800 or the Motorolla v300 with evolution or kmail? > > Any thoughts? > > Arturo > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 15, 2004

Does anyone know of any phones have the ability to sync with linux?

by Arturo

Hi All, I've been searching for a cell phone and I wanted to know if anyone knows of one that has the ability to synchronize with linux. More specifically, I need the ability to synchronize the address book. Synchronization of the calendar as well would be really slick. A dream come true would be if anyone knows of a program that can sync Nokia 6800 or the Motorolla v300 with evolution or kmail? Any thoughts? Arturo

Aug. 15, 2004

Question on privoxy

by Andrew Robert

Hi Everyone, I just installed the privoxy proxy server and configured my Opera browser v7.54 to use 127.0.0.1 under Fedora Core2. It works great but the "blocked by" messages are somewhat annoying. Does anyone know a quick way to eliminate seeing these? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321 Linux user : #201204

Aug. 13, 2004

has anyone work with xwindows and svideo out display (tv)

by Sonny Nguyen

just asking...and testing...I have been trying to post stuff and keep getting email bounces. Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program

by Sonny Nguyen

Any anyone done anything with lirc? Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

Fedora core 1 or 2 with Lirc remote control program

by Sonny Nguyen

Has anyone work with the lirc program with Fedora core 1 or 2. If you have seen this more than once.Please ignore the previous. Thanks. Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

New currency(?)

by Andy Stewart

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Aug. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] C gurus

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:43:56 -0400, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For all you C gurus out there. I'm working on a little program that > when an event occurs, it dials out a Verizon Wireless AirCard, does > it's thing and then when all events are done, the last event close the > card. To close the ppp connection you send it a Ctrl-C, which I'm > doing, however it is never working. The code I'm using is as follows: > > void *sound_alarm ( void * rd_struct ) > { > RADSPY_STRUCT *ptr_rd_struct; > ptr_rd_struct = ( RADSPY_STRUCT * ) rd_struct; > /* lock the modem_in_use variable to check to dial modem */ > pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); > if ( modem_in_use++ == 0 ) > { > /* we need to dial out the modem */ > printf ( "Dialing the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); > modem_pid = fork(); > if ( 0 == modem_pid ) > { > int ret; > /* we are the child so dial out the modem */ > ret = execl ( "/usr/sbin/pppd", "pppd", "call", "ac555qnc", NULL ); > if ( -1 == ret ) > printf ( "Problem dialing modem: %s\n", strerror ( errno ) ); > printf ( "Got here.\n" ); > exit ( 0 ); > } > /* hack to wait enough time to let the modem dial */ > sleep ( 10 ); > } > pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); > /* perform the sending of the data */ > printf ( "Sounding the alarm: %d.\n", modem_in_use ); > sleep ( 1 ); /* code to send away alarms will go here, > sleep for now */ > /* release the modem in use */ > pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); > if ( --modem_in_use == 0 ) > { > /* we need to hangup the modem */ > printf ("Hanging up the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); > kill ( SIGINT, modem_pid ); > } > pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); > > pthread_exit ( (void *) 0 ); > } > > This function is a thread that is spawned by the main loop when an > event occurs. This event can occur multiple times, which is why I > have the shared variable of how many events are currently occuring > (modem_in_use). When I run this program, I'm always getting an error > about the modem being locked by pid XXX, so it's never being closed. > Anyone have any experience with this kinda thing? > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > What does the parent process look like? How do you spawn the child? If I remember correctly you need to either do a pthread_join() or detach the child from the parent using pthread_attr_init() before spawning the thread to completely clean up the child thread. Thanks Brian

Aug. 11, 2004

C gurus

by Chuck Haines

For all you C gurus out there. I'm working on a little program that when an event occurs, it dials out a Verizon Wireless AirCard, does it's thing and then when all events are done, the last event close the card. To close the ppp connection you send it a Ctrl-C, which I'm doing, however it is never working. The code I'm using is as follows: void *sound_alarm ( void * rd_struct ) { RADSPY_STRUCT *ptr_rd_struct; ptr_rd_struct = ( RADSPY_STRUCT * ) rd_struct; /* lock the modem_in_use variable to check to dial modem */ pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); if ( modem_in_use++ == 0 ) { /* we need to dial out the modem */ printf ( "Dialing the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); modem_pid = fork(); if ( 0 == modem_pid ) { int ret; /* we are the child so dial out the modem */ ret = execl ( "/usr/sbin/pppd", "pppd", "call", "ac555qnc", NULL ); if ( -1 == ret ) printf ( "Problem dialing modem: %s\n", strerror ( errno ) ); printf ( "Got here.\n" ); exit ( 0 ); } /* hack to wait enough time to let the modem dial */ sleep ( 10 ); } pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); /* perform the sending of the data */ printf ( "Sounding the alarm: %d.\n", modem_in_use ); sleep ( 1 ); /* code to send away alarms will go here, sleep for now */ /* release the modem in use */ pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); if ( --modem_in_use == 0 ) { /* we need to hangup the modem */ printf ("Hanging up the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); kill ( SIGINT, modem_pid ); } pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); pthread_exit ( (void *) 0 ); } This function is a thread that is spawned by the main loop when an event occurs. This event can occur multiple times, which is why I have the shared variable of how many events are currently occuring (modem_in_use). When I run this program, I'm always getting an error about the modem being locked by pid XXX, so it's never being closed. Anyone have any experience with this kinda thing? Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Chuck Haines

I've been using Linux in a predominately Microsoft office. I've found that OO works well for most things except when the document is highly dependent on Macro's and such. I have found that spending the money on Star Office did help solve some problems with incompatibilities I found, though I'm not sure why since it's based off OO 1.1.2. Overall, IMHO, getting use to the difference between OO and Word take some time since OO does page layouts differently, however I've found that now that I've learned it, I'm much more productive. I've also found that in the OO Spreadsheet, any check boxes done in MS Excel only seemed to work for me in Star Office. As for power point, I've never really had any problems. Just some of my thoughts, Chuck On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:54:03 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: > > > Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been > > running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla > > anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. > > I agree... I'll give it a try. > > > And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to > > pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have > > to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW > > of course). > > I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to > use your own domain... > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by Marc Hughes

Check this out... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6232 The "motion" project mentioned sounds similar to what you want. -Marc On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT), frank p <fspoz3(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but someone involved with > the local ACM student chapter wrote something in perl using the > Video4Linux API (at least that's what the website says: > http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~webcam/sincam/ > > -frank p > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about > > doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that > > will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands > > to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have > > any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some > > material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this > > kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora > > Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer > > (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and > > kernel 2.4.18. > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by frank p

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but someone involved with the local ACM student chapter wrote something in perl using the Video4Linux API (at least that's what the website says: http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~webcam/sincam/ -frank p On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Hey guys, > I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about > doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that > will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands > to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have > any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some > material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this > kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora > Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer > (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and > kernel 2.4.18. > > Thanks, > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 10, 2004

Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by Chuck Haines

Hey guys, I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and kernel 2.4.18. Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Dwight A. Ernest

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: >> And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to >> pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have >> to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW >> of course). > > I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to > use your own domain... If that's true, just set up a CNAME in your zone records pointing your own domain name to their name. This is what I do and it works fine. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

Aug. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been > running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla > anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. I agree... I'll give it a try. > And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to > pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have > to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW > of course). I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to use your own domain...

Aug. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: > >> I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). >> They've got Win and Lin releases. > > I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would > expect given it is from the same folks). Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW of course). BR

Aug. 6, 2004

Job posting

by Mike Leo

Think this is my first mass-email but thought I would share with the group. I recruiter sent this to me today...i have no more information than what is listed below. If interested, I recommend communicating directly with the recruiter at winterwyman.com....he is Joe Kotlinski j jkotlinski(a)winterwyman.com--you can tell him Mike Leo sent you, for what ever that is worth. Good luck. "a successful start-up in the medical devices industry located in the MetroWest/495 area. They want to hire 3 desktop support people. The people they're seeking must have: 6-12 months of experience; Microsoft Networking, Windows 98/NT/2000/XP, and hands on knowledge of Microsoft Office, e-mail applications such as Outlook and Outlook Express and Internet Explorer; and a BS Degree. The base salary will probably max out in the low $40,000s." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > > I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). > They've got Win and Lin releases. I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would expect given it is from the same folks).

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Now that is a useful site! Thanks! Baris Hasdemir wrote: >Might be a side note... if not an answer to your questions: >http://migrate2linux.n-ix.com/groups/index.php > >baris > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 20:53, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > >>I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to >>moving entirely to Linux is not unique. <...> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Thats sounds perfect. I will double check, but I do believe the systems are configured with OS X... Josh wrote: >Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> writes: > > > >>>I want to be able to access any file created in any of the >>>three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs >>>at work and one or more of my machines at home without using >>>Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations >>>on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those >>>files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be >>>done with them. >>> >>> >>SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment >>on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for >>multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of >>the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) >>and probably Mac. >> >> > >If the systems are running Mac OS X, then you're in luck. It >comes with an nfs client (i.e., drop to the shell and just use >mount), and comes with openssh. I *think* rsync is also there >by default, but I could be wrong. >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004