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Installing Gentoo

by Carlton C. Stedman II

>I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Well, the install is not easy relative to, say, SuSE or Redhat. Its not all automatic and requires you to actually do some work on the command line (setting up the mirrors for portage, optionally configuring the make.conf file to optimize compilation, partioning via good 'ol fdisk, mkfs-ing filesystems, chroot'ing and such) but a printable Quick Install Guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml) really takes out the difficulty. I, at least, had no problem setting it up, a couple of times. The only real issue with Gentoo is that if you do go for the compile-everything-mode it takes a good full day to get up and running, and compiling in X and KDE or GNOME is best left for a second day of work (or just let it run overnight). You *can* use prebuilt binary packages, but then why bother using Gentoo? Additionally, all the preinstall stuff can be done with the Gentoo Live CD or something like Knoppix (which I would have used, but needed 2.6 kernel support, and at the time couldn't get Knoppix to boot a 2.6 kernel, whereas the Gentoo Live CD did have it). > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? An installfest would be a great idea. Could hand out live CD's to linux-hopefuls and install in people's computers. I'd be up for trying to get some people running Gentoo and other distros. -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [WLUG] Another vote for a future meeting topic

by Phil H

Well, you probably couldn't do a Stage 1 install. Seems like you'd have to do like a Stage 3 and use --pkgonly for things like KDE/Gnome/Xorg. That's probably obvious, but thought I'd point it out. And by using --pkgonly, you lose any speed benefits that you could have gained by compiling . . . so it's kind of a catch-22. I guess it depends on the CPU and RAM of the machine, but a Stage 1 install (w/ XF86/KDE) took 4-5 days on my machine. Philip Solo mis dos centavos . . . > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040830170237.87484.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Ryan Caron

No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone not familar with it, but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The basic install (known as a stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of time since everything has to be compiled. However, you can save time by using what's called a stage 2 install where some of the basic install is precompiled. A stage 3 install is where the entire basic install is already compiled. We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight. If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion....

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 30 August 2004 08:44 pm, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to > fix this? i take it you run vixie-cron and Gentoo (in the future you really should include these details ...) ? might want to review this if you are: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61961 -mike

Aug. 31, 2004

[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Karl Hiramoto

same error message, with full headers. Only extra info is the X-Cron-Env variables. and i'm running vixie-cron. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <root(a)smoke.zoop.org> X-Original-To: root Delivered-To: karl(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix) id 361DA10241E2; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id 131E3102401A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Subject: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/bash> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin> X-Cron-Env: <MAILTO=root> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root> Message-Id: <20040831004000.131E3102401A(a)smoke.zoop.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on smoke.zoop.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

Aug. 31, 2004

[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Karl Hiramoto

I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to fix this? /var/cron.log looks OK. 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24063 cmd root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24064 cmd root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

Aug. 31, 2004

another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Leo

I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? just one man's opinion.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] File Descriptors

by Gary Hanley

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > I once had an odd problem with Acrobat Reader because of something > like this; it was an older version of it with some older version of > Linux. The problem was that if the file descriptor limit was higher > than a certain number the reader would crash on startup. Running > strace on it showed that it went through and tried to close all open > file descriptors up to the limit; presumably (since this is closed > source) there was some kind of hard coded array in there. Our problem is with some Java-based apps. It seems Java can easily have problems with too many open files if not coded properly. I'm not a Java programmer but that's the conclusion I'm drawing. -- Gary

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] File Descriptors

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. I once had an odd problem with Acrobat Reader because of something like this; it was an older version of it with some older version of Linux. The problem was that if the file descriptor limit was higher than a certain number the reader would crash on startup. Running strace on it showed that it went through and tried to close all open file descriptors up to the limit; presumably (since this is closed source) there was some kind of hard coded array in there. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Aug. 30, 2004

File Descriptors

by Gary Hanley

Hello All, Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. Thank you for any help! -- Gary

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] computer for sale

by Karl Hiramoto

Nope, I tried once about two years ago, but I gave up. Ended up booting to windows when I needed to scan anything :-( > Karl, > > Have you been able to run the Visioneer scanner under linux? If so, I'd > like to know how. I haven't been able to do it with my 6100b. > > Greg > > > > Karl Hiramoto wrote: >> I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. >> >> Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and >> Gentoo 2004.2 >> >> Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz >> 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers >> DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. >> 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) >> 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) >> 6G disk (fat 32) >> 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) >> 10/100 network card RTL-8139 >> Promise UDMA 33 PCI card >> ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. >> Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface >> ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. >> 2 USB ports >> floppy >> keyboard >> mouse >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

Aug. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] computer for sale

by Gregory Avedissian

Karl, Have you been able to run the Visioneer scanner under linux? If so, I'd like to know how. I haven't been able to do it with my 6100b. Greg Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. > > Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and > Gentoo 2004.2 > > Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz > 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers > DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. > 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) > 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) > 6G disk (fat 32) > 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) > 10/100 network card RTL-8139 > Promise UDMA 33 PCI card > ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. > Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface > ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. > 2 USB ports > floppy > keyboard > mouse > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Meeting Topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 27 August 2004 02:27 pm, Carlton C. Stedman II wrote: > As far as > 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family > members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. i hope you're not a gentoo zealot ... we have enough of those already ;) -mike

Aug. 27, 2004

Re: Meeting Topic

by Carlton C. Stedman II

Well, I'm just a *lowly student*, but a linux and FOSS enthusiast. I've used (in the following order) Debian, SuSE 7.1, Redhat 8/9, Slackware 9, Gentoo. Gentoo's pretty much stuck and I really like it. As far as 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Aug. 27, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had linux in a production environment for a manufacturing company now for 3-4 years. linux running manufacturing automation, and linux running samba filesever PDC, cups print, http, dns, dhcp, mysql., and automated backups. over the last few months, migrated all the machines from redhat 8 and 9 to Gentoo. Gentoo is working out great. Mike Leo wrote: >Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! >Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. > >I was just thinking about a topic for a future >meeting. > >It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to >discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who >you work for and how your company is productionalizing >linux. > >We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know >how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using >it.....yet! > >So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who >want to talk about who you are and how your company is >using and support linux. > >just a thought. > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Ever wonder if taxation without representation might have been cheaper?

Aug. 27, 2004

Meeting topic

by Mike Leo

Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. I was just thinking about a topic for a future meeting. It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who you work for and how your company is productionalizing linux. We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using it.....yet! So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who want to talk about who you are and how your company is using and support linux. just a thought. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

Aug. 27, 2004

USB webcam

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Mike and Andy, Thanks for the info. I will check out these websites. Sonny

Aug. 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB webcam

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 24 August 2004 11:08 am, sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core > 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone > know? Has anyone tried? First, check this website to see if your camera is a supported device under Linux: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFBK8FCHl0iXDssISsRAgfdAJ9XnYz/dylFkgSTXPmUxJYwakFXGQCYpLv2 tieY4EFJbd+ZBxd+eywEfA== =h8bE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 24, 2004

computer for sale

by Karl Hiramoto

I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and Gentoo 2004.2 Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) 6G disk (fat 32) 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) 10/100 network card RTL-8139 Promise UDMA 33 PCI card ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. 2 USB ports floppy keyboard mouse -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB webcam

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 24 August 2004 11:08 am, sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core > 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone > know? Has anyone tried? i havent tried any of these because the webcam i have doesnt seem to have a linux driver ... i could be wrong, but i didnt care too much to figure it out SDLcam (SDL): http://raph.darktech.org/SDLcam/ camE (imlib2/E): http://linuxbrit.co.uk/camE/ camora (GNOME): http://camorama.fixedgear.org/ camsource (v4l): http://camsource.sourceforge.net/ camstream: http://www.smcc.demon.nl/camstream/ gqcam (v4l): http://cse.unl.edu/~cluening/gqcam/ w3cam (v4l): http://mpx.freeshell.org/ -mike

Aug. 24, 2004

USB webcam

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried? Sonny

Aug. 24, 2004

REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder to you all regarding the upcoming WLUG meeting this coming Thursday, August 26th, at 7:00 PM in the usual place. At this meeting, we'll have Dan Walsh from Red Hat speaking to us about SELinux. More details are on the WLUG website. After the meeting, we'll go out somewhere for some food and perhaps a couple of beers. The Boynton has been pretty full the last couple of times we tried to go there. I'm open to suggestions. See ya there, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKyrKHl0iXDssISsRAnBXAJ9fUE0PRDg80eAkWK9RrjwVlMVgrgCdGNzv wghO5KN01fbsXx3ZJ8Dm35I= =tkGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: Car for sale

by Bob George

Sonny Nguyen wrote: > Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com > where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to > the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put > it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha After having TWO family vehicles rear-ended inside of two weeks, I'm renting a Toyota Prius hybrid. On reading this, it occurs to me that a spam-powered vehicle would have limitless, cheap power available. Of course, to do it right, it would have to suck energy from everyone I visit. - Bob (Driving by any day now!)

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: Car for sale

by Sonny Nguyen

Bob, Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha Sonny

Aug. 23, 2004

fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Fyi... Found my solution. Fedora core 1 and lirc only works with v7.0pre4 and lower. In pre5, 6, 7, something is broken to cause ati remote wonder to stop responding. Sonny

Aug. 23, 2004