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FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

Oct. 6, 2004

Wireless Linux laptop recommendations?

by Ira Krakow

I'm looking for a basic, cheap, laptop PC with wireless capability, running Linux - to use for Web browsing or email at the library or Starbucks. I use Fedora Core 2 and Red Hat 8 on my desktops - will these work with a wireless-enabled PC? Thanks. Ira Krakow ikrakow_1999(a)yahoo.com

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by donald vitkus

Chuck Homic wrote: >On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > > >>These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >>/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >>up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >>under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >>better. >> >> > >I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, >no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. > >They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and >in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. >They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, >and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been >no problems. > > -Chuck > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > express56 works with linux. it cost is ten dollars per month and there is a setup fee

Oct. 6, 2004

Searching for meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole meeting. I'd rather have a single complete topic for the meeting, so if anybody has any ideas and (even better!) wants to volunteer, please let me know. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY3HaHl0iXDssISsRAoIbAJ9RkISnXCXANxft2unzZic0h96ywQCgggIM 3iZiXdiymfD2WTt6AvszuSc= =lnN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] SuSE Watcher

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm using SuSE 9.1 pro, and when I click on the little lizard-face icon on the panel to open susewatcher, then click on 'Start online update' I get prompted for my root password. Only root can run yast. I'd expect that to be the same in the server version. Greg Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and > I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't > figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for > a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall > creating one, > other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" > username & password that I should've created? > > Thanks, > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > These machines will be given to people with little computer experience > / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial > up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running > under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the > better. I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been no problems. -Chuck

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Micheal Bonner

Patrick Sawyer wrote: >This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday >at the Worcester Computer Coop. > >These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >better. > >Thanks >Patrick >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > Hello .. I am using PeoplePC .. it is only 10.95 unlimited per month

Oct. 5, 2004

Internet service for newbies

by Patrick Sawyer

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake Newbie

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:36 am, Micheal Bonner wrote: > I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I > am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year > now. Thank you for letting me in gotta start somewhere ... always glad to have another linux peep ;) -mike

Oct. 5, 2004

Mandrake Newbie

by Micheal Bonner

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Thanks!

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You > guys rock! SSSSSHHH!!! You say that TOO loud, and EVERYONE will want to join us... oh-- Wait. Scream it LOUDER! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Microsoft Windows doesn't HAVE security holes... It IS a security hole. * TAG! v3.1a *

Oct. 5, 2004

Thanks!

by Tim Trachimowicz

I just wanted to give a quick thanks to the folks that helped me diagnose my hardware issues a week or two ago. I took the advice of a few people, picked up an ATX power supply tester at New Egg ($12 shipped) and found out that my power supply was toast. I looked into RMAing it (and the case) back to New Egg but found a better (450W vs 400W) supply for a little less than what it would cost to send the old one back to New Egg via FedEx. After getting it installed and fired up, everything seems to be working fine. Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You guys rock! --Track --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004

Oct. 4, 2004

SuSE Watcher

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall creating one, other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" username & password that I should've created? Thanks, Chuck

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Martin, Eric

I can burn a few...Been meaning to do so anyway -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 1:16 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Another thing I just thought of is to check the seperation rollers. They are little blue rollers that make sure you only get one sheet at a time. They should have ridges on them (like treads on a tire) they almost look like veins. If it is relatively smooth, there's your problem. They cost about $5 ea on HPs website -----Original Message----- From: J Schonberg [mailto:schonm@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 4:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel --- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if > you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl06 411 Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Once should do the trick. There are pickup rollers / d rollers, get a damp cloth (water) and wipe it down...process takes not even a minute. (The only rollers you have to get are the ones that pickup the paper) Also unplug printer first. I know it doesn't have to be said, but hey... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a > static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Group event: Sat Oct 9th in Worcester

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I visited the Worcester Computer Co-op on Saturday and had a great talk with Patrick Sawyer. There are approximately 15-20 machines that are in need of some TLC. The machines range from 100 MHz to just over 1 GHz as far as is known. Once the machines are proven to work and Linux is installed and configured, these machines will find homes with needy families in the neighborhood surrounding the St. Bernard's Church in Worcester. The Worcester Computer Co-op has their lab located within the church building. Patrick and I agreed that a hard drive installation of Knoppix would probably be a reasonable thing to do for several reasons, a) its Debian based, b) it has *everything*, c) the live CD feature, d) its pretty easy to install, e) it pretty easily handles non-English languages. My only concern is to insure that the hard drives on these machine are at least 3-4 GB to accommodate a full Knoppix install. As a backup, I would like at least one other distribution handy in case we get an ornery machine or an undersized hard drive. It would need to have some games, KDE or Gnome, and OpenOffice, at a minimum. Clearly, this isn't a good software selection for a 100MHz machine, so that's another reason to have another distro handy. (I don't think there were more than a couple of machines which were this slow). The event will take place from noon - 4 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly with directions and such. I'm looking for volunteers who will be able to attend and who wish to burn a few Knoppix V3.6 CDs. Please contact me before your burn anything or we'll likely end up with way too many CDs. The room where this event will be held is a pretty good size. There will be ample opportunity for unnamed WLUG members to trip on power cords and pull them out mid-installation. :-) Many folks have asked when we'd be having our next install fest - well, this is it! Come on over, have some fun, and help some needy families bridge the digital divide. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBYNx/Hl0iXDssISsRAp0+AKCHXakOcwDzxXM437FolnfpcvPcagCdFx0Q WpAOmbvWVfTPxdeqMg9vbT4= =LTru -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 4, 2004

Portmapper using incorrect ports - how to prevent?

by Bob George

After suffering a power outage, I noticed spamassassin wouldn't start. I'd get: # /etc/init.d/spamassassin restart Restarting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: No spamd found running; none killed. Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Address already in use After a bit of checking my configuration, and googling for spamassassin problems, I tried: # lsof -i :783 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME ypserv 1025 root 5u IPv4 2855 TCP *:spamd (LISTEN) Apparently ypserv grabbed the spamassassin tcp port 783 before spamd started. I fixed the problem by re-arranging the startup sequences in /etc/rc5.d and restarting everything: # lsof -i | egrep "(ypserv|spamd)" spamd 10626 spamd 5u IPv4 44885 TCP localhost:spamd (LISTEN) ypserv 10641 root 4u IPv4 45184 UDP *:643 ypserv 10641 root 5u IPv4 45244 TCP *:646 (LISTEN) I'm wondering if there's a better fix? Is there a way to restrict which ports are used by portmapper? Should I simply change portmap and dependent services to start later/last in the init sequence? - Bob

Oct. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by J Schonberg

--- Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's > failure > mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you > put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at > a time.) This is a known problem with a number of the printers in the HP Laserjet series. I currently have A LaserJet 3100 which is a printer/scanner/fax that I love because it's so simple to use. Unfortunately for a number of reasons, it is considered to be a boat anchor -- I.E. there is no linux support and never will be. As for your printer pulling multiple pages, what you need is a little piece of plastic not unlike that of a tab on a file folder. HP used to provide this in a recall that they did. If your printer has not been serviced with this little plastic piece, I don't know where you can get it now. Here's a discussion from 2002 which may be useful : http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/printer/7/6852.html And here's the problem report at HP : http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl0… Good luck. Jason. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Martin, Eric

Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Homic [mailto:chuck@vvisions.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:22 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 02:10:20PM -0400, Martin, Eric wrote: > Try wetting the pickup rollers with a moist cloth (it might be a static > issue, we run a strict HP printer shop and that's a quick fix) Umm... how often do I do this, exactly? Sounds more annoying than hand-feeding it. :) -Chuck

Oct. 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB -> Parellel

by Marc Hughes

I've dealt with HP laserjets experiencing the same problem... they sell a kit to replace the rollers and it's fixed the problem for me 3 out of 3 times. They run around $80. The usb thing... good luck :) -Marc On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:22:05 -0400, Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > Hi, all... > > I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure > mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put > multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a > time.) > > Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it > at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with > my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is > lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I > want to print something!) > > Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel > converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver > support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can > find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so > it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. > > Any ideas here? > > Thanks. > > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 1, 2004

USB -> Parellel

by Chuck Homic

Hi, all... I inherited a HP Laserjet 1100 from work, recently. (This model's failure mode is that you have to feed it one page at a time, since if you put multiple sheets in the tray, it will grab anywhere from 5 to 20 at a time.) Anywho, it's a nice sweet printer, especially for the price. I'm using it at work with my WinXP box. However, I'd like to bring it home to use with my laptop. It has a parallel interface, and my slick, modern laptop is lacking this. (And I really don't feel like kicking up my 486 each time I want to print something!) Does anyone have any experience with one of those USB to parallel converter dealies? They seem pretty cheap, but I wonder about driver support and whatnot. The USS720 driver seems to be the only one I can find, I assume that Lucent sells that to anyone making such a device, so it's a matter of finding a list somewhere of devices using that chipset. Any ideas here? Thanks. -Chuck

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Martin, Eric

Glad to hear :) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if > you have a shaky connection -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script > that uses IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed > and my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, > a) find out what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep > the connection alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the > shell prompt the connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection

by Michael Long

Thanks for the tip. All is well now. > Check Keepalive in > /etc/ssh/sshd-config (on your server machine) > try setting it to 0, although that might give you phantom logins if you have > a shaky connection > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Long [mailto:mlong@datalong.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Proxy closes connection > > > Hi All, > > I am using openssh on cygwin along with ssh-tunnel (a pearl script that uses > IO and > IO::Select) to tunnel through a firewall in order to gain access to my > desktop at home. I have noticed that recently the behavior has changed and > my connection is broken after 3 seconds of inactivity. How do I, a) find out > what is causing the connection to be broken and/or b) keep the connection > alive. As long as I am actively feeding commands at the shell prompt the > connection stays alive. > > Tia, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 30, 2004