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Reminder: WLUG meeting Tonight (Wed Oct 13)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We'll be having a WLUG meeting tonight (Wed Oct 13) at 7:00 PM in the usual place. There isn't a single topic on the agenda, but here's what I'll cover to at least get a discussion started: 1) Update on the install fest with Worcester Computer Co-op, which was held this past Saturday 2) Update on the Linux adult education class I'm teaching 3) GNU FDL license and Debian's critique thereof (this could almost be a meeting by itself - maybe it should be???) 4) Upcoming meetings and guest speaker announcement 5) Any/all topics of interest brought up by other meeting attendees See ya tonight, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBbK81Hl0iXDssISsRAsY8AJ4wmo8AuS43XWgO4bPYLwR7Xb/BDwCaAn3D HDTqh9qAp7Rxx5o/EQ8wmSI= =mQlq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Adam Keck

Hello Don, True, but if you must use NAS for this, a redundant NAS device takes care of the single point of failure issue. Look at NAS solutions that provide clustered heads attached with redundant paths to redundant disks. Clustered Linux w/ SAN solutions would work or perhaps a blackbox like a Network Appliance filer cluster ($$$!) depending on your budget and time constraints. Moving the nfs shares off the first database server is important, because, in order to have redundancy in the cluster, members each must have the same function. Right now the first database server provides an additional unique function. Nothing can take over for it, as you have seen. -Adam On Oct 12, 2004, at 11:48 AM, Don Peterson wrote: > I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share > constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, > and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a > shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. > I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way > any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But > the NAS will still be a single point of failure.

Oct. 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

I'm not sync'ing data, all three servers are writing logs to the share constantly (the applcsf share). We didn't buy Veritas volume manager, and we are not running Red Hat 3.0 yet, so I had to go with NFS for a shared file system. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use NFS. I am looking into buying a NAS device to store the shares on, that way any of the servers can go down and the others won't be affected. But the NAS will still be a single point of failure. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:15:11AM -0400, Don Peterson wrote: > I mount a share: > shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs > soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr > Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest > something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with > an umount -f. > And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill > command just hangs (even with a kill -9). > Any suggestions? I don't think there is any good solution. Using the "soft" and "intr" mount options is an extremely bad idea. Do it only if you don't care about losing/corrupting your data. Important data should always be mounted "hard,nointr". Personally, I avoid NFS like the plague. I only use it for readonly mounts (where soft,intr is less of a problem). Instead, I've standardized on rsync over ssh with RSA keys to get data between servers that need to be synchronized. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 11:15:11AM -0400, Don Peterson wrote: > I mount a share: > shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs > soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr > Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest > something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with > an umount -f. > And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill > command just hangs (even with a kill -9). > Any suggestions? I don't think there is any good solution. Using the "soft" and "intr" mount options is an extremely bad idea. Do it only if you don't care about losing/corrupting your data. Important data should always be mounted "hard,nointr". Personally, I avoid NFS like the plague. I only use it for readonly mounts (where soft,intr is less of a problem). Instead, I've standardized on rsync over ssh with RSA keys to get data between servers that need to be synchronized.

Oct. 12, 2004

NFS question

by Don Peterson

Hello All, I've been a slient member for awhile, now I have a question/problem I hope someone can answer. I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first database server. One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they connect to it), and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a problem when we shut down the first database server, the one sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: shoprod1:/applcsf /applcsf nfs soft,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,retrans=6,timeo=14,intr Can you see anything wrong with this line, or can anyone suggest something else to try. I can't even forceably unmount the shares with an umount -f. And if we try to kill any processes accessing the shares the kill command just hangs (even with a kill -9). Any suggestions? Thanx, Don Peterson Network/Telecomm Mgr. Sterilite Corporation

Oct. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 08 October 2004 8:54 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take > place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize > that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to > the meeting date. > > Andy Hi everybody, The new meeting date will be Wednesday, October 13th at 7:00 PM. I'll update the WLUG website shortly. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZ1eMHl0iXDssISsRArCaAJ49NcXcydPZVR04roSGSfpLu/GqbACfXIUF 7Li6n6A1aNKVMXQzWEUpLr4= =KZVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Worcester Computer Co-Op

by Baris Hasdemir

I'll do my best to be there Patrick. Though I am not sure how much of help I can be. say hi to holmes baris On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 12:38, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > Howdy, > This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may > not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the > purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to > members of the community. > > This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more > information if anyone needs it. > > The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on > attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just > wanted to know. > > We can use all the help you can give! > > Patrick Sawyer > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 9, 2004

WLUG meeting to be moved to a new date

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The WLUG meeting scheduled currently for Thursday, October 14 will not take place. I'm trying to move this meeting to a new date, and when I finalize that, I'll inform the membership. My apologize for doing this so close to the meeting date. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBZzbIHl0iXDssISsRAj0qAJ0Ydf/IrQz1qM7Q3NjHLRJU8LJzRgCfTRMj CulceXQ0SjOcxAWLXVmRaLw= =OWk/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 9, 2004

Worcester Computer Co-Op

by Patrick Sawyer

Howdy, This is Patrick from the Worcester Computer Co - Op, as you may or may not know we are holding an install fest on Saturday the 9th, for the purpose of installing Linux on old machines that will be donated to members of the community. This information was sent out by Andy earlier. I can send you more information if anyone needs it. The main purpose of this message is to ask who was planning on attending. You don't need to tell me you can just show up, I just wanted to know. We can use all the help you can give! Patrick Sawyer

Oct. 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Brett Russ wrote: > Some corrections for the firefox->tbird portion of my instructions: > > Brett Russ wrote: > >> I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the >> mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose >> window. Here's that one: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> >> url="$1" >> >> export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current > > > I also added the following line here: > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME > >> >> if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then >> # thunderbird is running >> url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` >> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" >> else >> # thunderbird is not running >> $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url >> fi >> > > Mozex is no longer needed, see below. > >> That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra >> steps but I'll stick with what works for me. > > > I checked, since I didn't actually have what I described (mozex) > installed on the latest version of Firefox. Here's the new info: > > Add the following line to your *firefox* user.js in your profile: > > user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mailto", > "/path/to/launch-tbird"); > > > I had to reinstall thunderbird and use user 'root' to run it for the > first time in order to get everything set up properly. Then close it > and run as normal user. > > worksforme now, > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Dear Spammer ( LOL ) .... Thank for you help .. I am trying this out right now .. I Thank you for your help ... now if you could just cut back on the spam LOL .. Micheal Newbie Spammer

Oct. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > Hello.. It is Micheal here.. > I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 > I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see > Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I > make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Michael, I sent two replies this afternoon to the list--they're awaiting moderator approval b/c they were sent from work where the domain of the SMTP server doesn't match the domain of my email address. I'm a suspected spammer, guilty until proven innocent. Stay tuned :-) BR

Oct. 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Some corrections for the firefox->tbird portion of my instructions: Brett Russ wrote: > I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the > mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose > window. Here's that one: > > #!/bin/sh > > url="$1" > > export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current I also added the following line here: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME > > if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then > # thunderbird is running > url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` > $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" > else > # thunderbird is not running > $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url > fi > Mozex is no longer needed, see below. > That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra > steps but I'll stick with what works for me. I checked, since I didn't actually have what I described (mozex) installed on the latest version of Firefox. Here's the new info: Add the following line to your *firefox* user.js in your profile: user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mailto", "/path/to/launch-tbird"); I had to reinstall thunderbird and use user 'root' to run it for the first time in order to get everything set up properly. Then close it and run as normal user. worksforme now, BR

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] FireFox

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > Hello.. It is Micheal here.. > I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 > I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see > Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I > make FireFox the Default Browser ?" The way I do it: add these 3 lines to your thunderbird user.js file (under ~/.thunderbird/<profileName>/<saltString>/user.js): user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "/path/to/launch-firefox"); Change the paths to point to this executable shell script: #!/bin/sh export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/firefox/current export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME # get URL to load url=$1; [ -z $url ] && url=about:blank # try xremote first $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/mozilla-xremote-client openURL$$url,new-tab$ && exit 0 # if xremote failed, then launch the browser exec $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/firefox $url Change the path of MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME to the dir containing your firefox executable. I also have a script called launch-tbird which can be used with the mozex plugin to allow mailto: URLs to launch a thunderbird compose window. Here's that one: #!/bin/sh url="$1" export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/opt/thunderbird/current if [ $(pidof thunderbird-bin | wc -w) -gt 4 ]; then # thunderbird is running url=`echo "$url" | sed -e's/^mailto://'` $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -remote "mailto($url)" else # thunderbird is not running $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME/thunderbird -P default -compose $url fi The mozex plugin (http://mozex.mozdev.org/index.html) will allow you to set a command for mailto, use: /path/to/launch-tbird %r Make sure you restart firefox and thunderbird after making all these changes... That's about it, I think the newer firefox tries to avoid the extra steps but I'll stick with what works for me. BR

Oct. 6, 2004

FireFox

by Micheal Bonner

Hello.. It is Micheal here.. I am useing Mandrake 10.0 and KDE 3.2 I have FireFox pr 1.0 and ThunderBird .8.. How can I make firefox see Link in ThunderBird and Visa Vera .. I guess I am saying " How do I make FireFox the Default Browser ?" Thanks for your help Micheal C.Bonner Newbie to the Second Power

Oct. 6, 2004

Wireless Linux laptop recommendations?

by Ira Krakow

I'm looking for a basic, cheap, laptop PC with wireless capability, running Linux - to use for Web browsing or email at the library or Starbucks. I use Fedora Core 2 and Red Hat 8 on my desktops - will these work with a wireless-enabled PC? Thanks. Ira Krakow ikrakow_1999(a)yahoo.com

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by donald vitkus

Chuck Homic wrote: >On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > > >>These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >>/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >>up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >>under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >>better. >> >> > >I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, >no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. > >They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and >in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. >They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, >and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been >no problems. > > -Chuck > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > express56 works with linux. it cost is ten dollars per month and there is a setup fee

Oct. 6, 2004

Searching for meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, We have a WLUG meeting coming up in about a week, and as usual, I'm searching for a topic at the last minute. I'll certainly give an update to the group on our work with the Worcester Computer Co-op, but that won't take the whole meeting. I can also discuss some issues in which I've been personally involved with regard to which license to use on free documentation that I have written, but again, that won't take the whole meeting. I'd rather have a single complete topic for the meeting, so if anybody has any ideas and (even better!) wants to volunteer, please let me know. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBY3HaHl0iXDssISsRAoIbAJ9RkISnXCXANxft2unzZic0h96ywQCgggIM 3iZiXdiymfD2WTt6AvszuSc= =lnN0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] SuSE Watcher

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm using SuSE 9.1 pro, and when I click on the little lizard-face icon on the panel to open susewatcher, then click on 'Start online update' I get prompted for my root password. Only root can run yast. I'd expect that to be the same in the server version. Greg Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > I just installed SuSE Server version 9 (my first SuSE installation) and > I'd like to use the "Watcher" to get updates automatically, but I can't > figure out what the "autorization" window wants. I know it's looking for > a username/password pair, but what username/password?? I don't recall > creating one, > other than the usual 'root' and various users. Is there a "special" > username & password that I should've created? > > Thanks, > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 03:54:30PM -0400, Patrick Sawyer wrote: > These machines will be given to people with little computer experience > / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial > up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running > under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the > better. I'm using Stowe Telecom (http://www.stowetel.com/) for $5/mo. Rock solid, no busy signals, no hangups, lots of POPs, unlimited access. They only offer tech support via email (to keep support costs down), and in my experience, ISP tech support has never been worth the cost, anyway. They do pretty well, as I had a support issue with them when I started up, and they solved it via email within a week. Ever since then, there's been no problems. -Chuck

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Internet service for newbies

by Micheal Bonner

Patrick Sawyer wrote: >This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday >at the Worcester Computer Coop. > >These machines will be given to people with little computer experience >/ money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial >up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running >under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the >better. > >Thanks >Patrick >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > Hello .. I am using PeoplePC .. it is only 10.95 unlimited per month

Oct. 5, 2004

Internet service for newbies

by Patrick Sawyer

This is in regards to the install fest that will be happening Saturday at the Worcester Computer Coop. These machines will be given to people with little computer experience / money. All they need for an Internet service is a very simple dial up. Has anyone tried Net zero for Lindows(linspire) and got it running under Linux? If not can someone recommend a good ISP. The cheaper the better. Thanks Patrick

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake Newbie

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 05 October 2004 11:36 am, Micheal Bonner wrote: > I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I > am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year > now. Thank you for letting me in gotta start somewhere ... always glad to have another linux peep ;) -mike

Oct. 5, 2004

Mandrake Newbie

by Micheal Bonner

Hello All . I am new. I am Micheal 34 m ( newly moved to Mass from Florida ) ... I am on Mandrake 10.0 and have been using Linux for only bout a 1 year now. Thank you for letting me in

Oct. 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Thanks!

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You > guys rock! SSSSSHHH!!! You say that TOO loud, and EVERYONE will want to join us... oh-- Wait. Scream it LOUDER! :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Microsoft Windows doesn't HAVE security holes... It IS a security hole. * TAG! v3.1a *

Oct. 5, 2004

Thanks!

by Tim Trachimowicz

I just wanted to give a quick thanks to the folks that helped me diagnose my hardware issues a week or two ago. I took the advice of a few people, picked up an ATX power supply tester at New Egg ($12 shipped) and found out that my power supply was toast. I looked into RMAing it (and the case) back to New Egg but found a better (450W vs 400W) supply for a little less than what it would cost to send the old one back to New Egg via FedEx. After getting it installed and fired up, everything seems to be working fine. Again, I just wanted to say thanks to all that helped/offered advice. You guys rock! --Track --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.744 / Virus Database: 496 - Release Date: 8/24/2004

Oct. 4, 2004