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Re: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 14 October 2004 07:52 pm, Arturo wrote: > Cool, > If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! sent ... i still got 4 left (i dont have any friends :() -mike

Oct. 15, 2004

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11

by Arturo

Cool, If there are any left I would love g-mail account as well! Arturo On 10/14/04 10:43 AM, "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: gmail invites (Brett Russ) > 2. Re: gmail invites (JONATHAN BEALL) > 3. RE: gmail invites (Don Peterson) > 4. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 5. Re: gmail invites (Casey Rankin) > 6. RE: NFS question (Don Peterson) > 7. mountng a pen drive (usb) (Walt Sawyer) > 8. RE: NFS question (Jeff Moyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:46:08 -0400 > From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <416E6700.5080302(a)charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Micheal Bonner wrote: > >> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to >> have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. >> then thank you anyway > > Sent! > BR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400 > From: "JONATHAN BEALL" <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <BAY2-F41nrrXj7gC2DW00009215(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20041014/8e909c59/a… > chment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F162D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > >> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >> >> >> > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:20:43 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062073122d74(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL > <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing >> me lately. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Jonathan Beall >> >> >>> From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> >>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 >> >> >>> >>> Minkov, Ross wrote: >>> >>>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Ross >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck Haines >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >>>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >>>> >>>> >>>> Yea, I got 8 of them. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger >>>> <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>>>> -mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love >>>> to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if >>>> not .. then thank you anyway >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:21:27 -0400 > From: Casey Rankin <caseyrankin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <cd5bf44b041014062112a4e152(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > sent. > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: >> I would love one too if you guys have any left. >> Thanx in advance... >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >> Behalf Of Brett Russ >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites >> >> Minkov, Ross wrote: >> >>> I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? >>> >>> >>> >> Sent! >> BR >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:24:49 -0400 > From: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: <jmoyer(a)redhat.com>, "Worcester Linux Users Group" > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC0916F165D(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jeff, > Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool > but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like > there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds > like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares > to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in > a production environment? > Thanx, > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" > <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat > Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will > stoffel> install on your systems? > > Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your > stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but > Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and > Don> make it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the > stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install > stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you > stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same > stoffel> type of setup down the road. > > If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You > can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, > but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of > NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 > and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing > environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without > purchasing new software licenses, too). > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:09:56 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question > To: "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <16750.34996.638953.41770(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" > <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: > > dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM > dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it > dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when > dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag > dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary > dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production > dpeterson> environment? > > Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query > Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux > Version: 2.1AS > Component: clumanager > > There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering > infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. > > There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for > the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on > it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of > course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how > long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled > filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To > simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. > > The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. > > Hope this helps. > > -Jeff > > dpeterson> -----Original Message----- > From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer > Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM > To> Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question > > ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >>> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: > > Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, > Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. > > stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from > stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install > stoffel> on your systems? > > dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. > > Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite > Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. > > stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp > stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying > > stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. > > Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that > Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the > dpeterson> software. > Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make > Don> it as redundant as possible. > > stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know > > stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering > stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. > > stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a > > stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, > stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. > > stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL > stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. > > stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, > stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you > stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would > stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of > stoffel> setup down the road. > > dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without > dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount > dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. > dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be > dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you > dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without > dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new > dpeterson> software licenses, too). > > dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug > dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 > ************************************ >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: Knoppix install question

by Patrick Sawyer

Jumped the gun. Found it On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:17:55 -0400, Patrick Sawyer <patricksawyer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy, > Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester > Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" > right now. > > what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? > > p >

Oct. 14, 2004

Knoppix install question

by Patrick Sawyer

Howdy, Thanks to everyone who helped with the linux install at the Worcester Computer Co Op. We got alot done. Im working on the "problem children" right now. what was the process for running the install script in knoppix? p

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Gregory Avedissian

SuSE 9.1 will automatically mount and unmount a pen drive, floppy disk or cd. I haven't yet figured out how it does that. Greg Ryan Caron wrote: > Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, > adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and > use your pen drive as a non-root user: > > /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 > > Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert > it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. > > I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will > either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data > corruption (I know this from experience) > > If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am > all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). > > Sincerely, > Ryan Caron > > > >>Message: 7 >>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 >>From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> >>Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >>How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my >>Fedora Core 2 laptop? >>Thanks in advance >>Walt > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mounting a pen drive (usb)

by Ryan Caron

Assuming you do not have any other usb devices hooked up to your laptop, adding the following line to your /etc/fstab will allow you to mount and use your pen drive as a non-root user: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat user,noauto,exec 0 0 Using this method, you will have to type "mount /mnt/sda1" when you insert it and "umount /mnt/sda1" when you are done. I cannot stress how important it is to unmount! Failure to do so will either leave your pen drive without the changes you made or with data corruption (I know this from experience) If anybody knows of a way for linux to mount automatically do this I am all ears (switching the noauto parameter to auto doesn't do the trick). Sincerely, Ryan Caron > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:55:05 -0400 > From: Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> > Subject: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1097762105.2591.9.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> > Content-Type: text/plain > > How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my > Fedora Core 2 laptop? > Thanks in advance > Walt

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Gina Minks

= How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my Fedora Core 2 laptop? Check to see if the pen has already been recognized by hotplug by checking for an entry in /etc/fstab If there is not an entry there, check to see if the OS recognizes the pen. Lots of places to check.. cat /etc/proc/scsi/scsi you should see: Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 or look for it in dmesg: dmesg | grep San Vendor: SanDisk Model: Cruzer Mini Rev: 0.1 or in /etc/sysconfig/hwconf: grep San hwconf desc: "SanDisk Corporation Cruzer Mini" usbmfr: SanDisk Corporation desc: "Sandisk Cruzer Mini" If the OS recognizes the pen, most likely updfstab does not have an entry for it. For RH9, entries for updfstab are in /etc/updfstab.conf.default This is the file hotplug uses to know what to write to the fstab file so you can mount the pen. I added an entry to the "flash" stanza: device flash { partition 1 match hd CompactFlash match hd ImageMate match hd SanDisk match hd "USB Drive" Once you add that, look in the fstab file to see if hotplug worked. You will still have to mount it, it should show up as /mnt/flash -Gina _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ============================================================

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "Don Peterson" <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> adds: dpeterson> Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM dpeterson> sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it dpeterson> and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when dpeterson> using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag dpeterson> in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary dpeterson> server. Are there many people using this in a production dpeterson> environment? Are you certain you are looking at the right product? In bugzilla, query Product: Red Hat Enterprise Linux Version: 2.1AS Component: clumanager There are no open bugs. You are probably looking at the clustering infrastructure related to GFS, which is a very new offerring for Red Hat. There are at least hundreds of deployments of AS2.1 and clumanager. As for the lag, it is, of course, configurable (at least it was last I worked on it, several years ago). There are a couple of components to this, of course. First, how long does it take to detect a failure, and second, how long does it take for application/filesystem recovery. Using a journaled filesystem, you will see fairly quick recovery times on that end. To simply failover NFS, you won't be looking at too much overhead. The one hardware component you may need to buy would be a fencing device. Hope this helps. -Jeff dpeterson> -----Original Message----- From> wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On dpeterson> Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM To> Worcester Linux Users Group Subject> RE: [Wlug] NFS question ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" >> stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install stoffel> on your systems? dpeterson> Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the dpeterson> software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make Don> it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would stoffel> be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of stoffel> setup down the road. dpeterson> If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without dpeterson> GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount dpeterson> from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. dpeterson> You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be dpeterson> accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you dpeterson> can probably work this into your existing environment without dpeterson> buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new dpeterson> software licenses, too). dpeterson> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug dpeterson> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http> //mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

mountng a pen drive (usb)

by Walt Sawyer

How do I get my SanDisk cruzer mini 256 mb pen drive to mount on my Fedora Core 2 laptop? Thanks in advance Walt

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

Jeff, Thanx for the continued feedback and suggestions, RHCM sounds cool but, I've read through some of the bug tracks on it and it sounds like there are some bad corruption problems when using it. It also sounds like there can be a considerable lag in the time it takes for the shares to come up on the secondary server. Are there many people using this in a production environment? Thanx, Don -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Moyer Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:48 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: RE: [Wlug] NFS question ==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will stoffel> install on your systems? Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your stoffel> corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and Don> make it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the stoffel> SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install stoffel> RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. stoffel> Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, stoffel> you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you stoffel> exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you stoffel> would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same stoffel> type of setup down the road. If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new software licenses, too). -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Casey Rankin

sent. On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:13:18 -0400, Don Peterson <dpeterson(a)sterilite.com> wrote: > I would love one too if you guys have any left. > Thanx in advance... > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Brett Russ > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > Minkov, Ross wrote: > > >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > > > > > Sent! > BR > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Casey Rankin

sent. On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:48:54 -0400, JONATHAN BEALL <joncbeall(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > if anyone has an extra it would be greatly appreciated, hotmail is killing > me lately. > > Thank you, > > Jonathan Beall > > > >From: Micheal Bonner <BiggDaddyCool(a)peoplepc.com> > >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:03 -0400 > > > > > >Minkov, Ross wrote: > > > >>I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Ross > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > >>[mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > >>Behalf Of Chuck Haines > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM > >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > >> > >> > >>Yea, I got 8 of them. > >> > >>Chuck > >> > >> > >>On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger > >><vapier(a)gentoo.org> > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > >>>-mike > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Wlug mailing list > >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love > >>to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if > >>not .. then thank you anyway > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Don Peterson

I would love one too if you guys have any left. Thanx in advance... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Russ Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:49 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by JONATHAN BEALL

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Brett Russ

Micheal Bonner wrote: > I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to > have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. > then thank you anyway Sent! BR

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Micheal Bonner

Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > >Thanks, >Ross > >-----Original Message----- >From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >Behalf Of Chuck Haines >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM >To: Worcester Linux Users Group >Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites > > >Yea, I got 8 of them. > >Chuck > > >On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> >wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: >> >> >>>I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) >>> >>> >>yeah, i got 6 spare ones too >>-mike >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >I will Take one if you are handing them out please ... I would love to have one .. thanks. just Email what I need to do personal .. if not .. then thank you anyway > > > > >

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 13 October 2004 11:42 pm, Minkov, Ross wrote: > I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? sent, have fun ;) -mike

Oct. 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Brett Russ

Minkov, Ross wrote: >I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? > > > Sent! BR

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] gmail invites

by Minkov, Ross

I could use one gmail invite... If there are any left...? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Haines Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:28 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] gmail invites Yea, I got 8 of them. Chuck On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:42:12 -0400, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wednesday 15 September 2004 06:35 pm, Brett Russ wrote: > > I have some to distribute. FCFS, serious inquiries only :-) > > yeah, i got 6 spare ones too > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 14, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding RE: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, Don> it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. stoffel> Since it's open source, can't you get it from stoffel> http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install on stoffel> your systems? Sounds like he wants a supported solution. Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. stoffel> That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp stoffel> website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying stoffel> supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that Don> would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. Don> For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make Don> it as redundant as possible. stoffel> I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know stoffel> VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering stoffel> software as well. Good stuff all around. stoffel> But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a stoffel> good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, stoffel> or local to the server) for a good price. stoffel> Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL stoffel> 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. Export stoffel> via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, you've got a stoffel> backup and failover. And it would give you exposure/experience stoffel> with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would be working to stoffel> migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of setup down the stoffel> road. If you only need to server NFS, then you can do this without GFS. You can use GFS, and it will mean that clients can mount from either server, but it sounds like overkill for this case. You simply want failover of NFS filesystems, and that can be accomplished quite easily with AS 2.1 and RHCM. In fact, you can probably work this into your existing environment without buying any more hardware (and I think without purchasing new software licenses, too). -Jeff

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: Jeff> Don, are you able to use OCFS? If not, you could at least Jeff> cluster the NFS server with 2 RHEL boxes. I believe this will Jeff> be cheaper than buying a redundant NAS (and serves precisely the Jeff> same purpose). In fact, I believe that the cluster software was Jeff> included in the AS2.1 license. This is too funny, I didn't even see this reply before I wrote the other one suggesting just this type of idea. Heh! Since you can buy 2U boxes with a bunch of mirrored storage four around 3k/per, you should be able to setup a cluster providing NFS services to the other hosts pretty cheaply and quickly. John

Oct. 13, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

Don> Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat Don> GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. Since it's open source, can't you get it from http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/gfs/ and see if it will install on your systems? Don> I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite Don> answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. That's silly, but very understandable. From looking at your corp website, I can see why you're interested in only deploying supportable systems, esp in such a production environment. Don> We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but Don> that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the Don> software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS Don> device and make it as redundant as possible. I know Veritas. :] And I'm looking for a job. :] Well, I know VxVM/VxFS quite well and I've been exposed to their Clustering software as well. Good stuff all around. But that doesn't solve the question here, which is how to get a good reliable NFS file storage (would the storage be on the SAN, or local to the server) for a good price. Here's a thought, but a pair of cheap 2U servers and install RHEL 3.0 along with the GFS filesystem and clustering software. Export via NFS to the other servers. If one node goes down, you've got a backup and failover. And it would give you exposure/experience with RHEL 3.0, GFS and clustering so you would be working to migrate the Oracle instances to the same type of setup down the road. John

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] NFS question; "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> adds: Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, two Don> apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the first Don> database server. stoffel> This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered stoffel> environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for stoffel> your needs? Some options would be: stoffel> http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ stoffel> It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don, are you able to use OCFS? If not, you could at least cluster the NFS server with 2 RHEL boxes. I believe this will be cheaper than buying a redundant NAS (and serves precisely the same purpose). In fact, I believe that the cluster software was included in the AS2.1 license. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), stoffel> Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log stoffel> locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync stoffel> them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have been Don> doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and seeing if Don> the other two keep processing requests. We have a problem when we Don> shut down the first database server, the one sharing the nfs volumes. Don> The other two servers just hang trying to connect to the shares. I Don> have tried every option in my fstab file to make the servers stop Don> trying to reach the nfs shares if the server is not available, but Don> nothing has worked. Here is one of the lines from the fstab file Don> where I mount a share: stoffel> Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: stoffel> 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write stoffel> to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. stoffel> 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a stoffel> cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other stoffel> servers. Right. This is an easy option, I think, if you can afford 1 or 2 more boxes (Depending on whether you want to have a dedicated file server not running database apps). stoffel> 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers stoffel> and which has the require reliability you need. stoffel> I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with stoffel> a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with stoffel> an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup stoffel> helps as well. *grin* stoffel> You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you stoffel> spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to stoffel> provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you stoffel> provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. I do believe RHEL 3 has been certified with Oracle 9i. I'm not sure about the particular apps you are using, but the db itself should work just fine. I would ask your contact at Red Hat. -Jeff

Oct. 13, 2004

RE: [Wlug] NFS question

by Don Peterson

Thanx for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use the Red Hat GFS, it requires v3.0 and we cannot upgrade to that yet. I have been pushing for it, but Oracle won't give me an definite answer as to whether their apps are certified for RH 3.0. We could go with Veritas' Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC, but that would require considerable change, and no one here knows the software. For the time being I'll probably have to go with a NAS device and make it as redundant as possible. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of John Stoffel Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:28 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] NFS question Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are all Don> running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the apps Don> servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by the Don> first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying to Don> connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab file Don> to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if the Don> server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one of Don> the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] NFS question

by John Stoffel

Don> I have an Oracle 9i RAC set up consisting of 3 database servers, Don> two apps servers and an EMC Clarion CX700 SAN. The servers are Don> all running Red Hat 2.1, the db servers are at kernel .34 and the Don> apps servers are at .49. I have 5 nfs mount points shared out by Don> the first database server. This is the problem, the fact that you're using NFS in a clustered environment. Have you looked into using a Cluster Filesystem for your needs? Some options would be: http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ It even mentions Oracle 9i in the blurb. Don> One mount point is for logs from the database servers (only they Don> connect to it), Why do they all need to log to one filesystem? Can't they log locally and if you want to aggregate the logs, you could rsync them hourly from the servers to a central log host. Don> and the others are for miscellaneous files and storage. We have Don> been doing failover testing, shutting down a database server and Don> seeing if the other two keep processing requests. We have a Don> problem when we shut down the first database server, the one Don> sharing the nfs volumes. The other two servers just hang trying Don> to connect to the shares. I have tried every option in my fstab Don> file to make the servers stop trying to reach the nfs shares if Don> the server is not available, but nothing has worked. Here is one Don> of the lines from the fstab file where I mount a share: Yeah, what you're trying to do isn't going to work without either: 1. moving to a Cluster Filesystem so that all hosts and read/write to the same filesystem on the Clarrion SAN concurrently. 2. moving to a Cluster setup where you have TWO servers in a cluster, and the cluster provides the NFS file service to other servers. 3. Getting a NAS box which provides NFS service to the DB servers and which has the require reliability you need. I personally like NetApps, but they can be pricey. But even with a single head, they're reliable and run well. I had one box with an uptime of almost 500 days. Oh yeah, UPS and Generator backup helps as well. *grin* You could get away with using another cheaper NAS, but since you spent the money on the SAN, why not just use that and GFS to provide the storage you need. Esp if most of the filesystems you provide are read (mostly) then you shouldn't have many problems. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

Oct. 13, 2004