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Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Scott Venier

Gary Hanley said: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that > is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a > buying decision. > It won't get you any boost on a single threaded app, but my linux box has 20 users logged into it right now, each running a different process as well as web, mail, dns, and mysql servers all running. Having the ability to schedule more then process at a time is an overall boost for my system. Of course, it's not as much of a boost as a dual core or dual CPU would be, but I'll take what I can get. Scott

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure > Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to > directly take advantage of HT. Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a buying decision. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. gary> How about somewhat irrelevant? gary> I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but gary> I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores gary> arrive. Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to directly take advantage of HT. >> As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine >> actually going to be used for? gary> Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to gary> Hyperthreading. gary> Apples and Oranges for sure. Right. -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. How about somewhat irrelevant? I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores arrive. > As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine > actually going to be used for? Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to Hyperthreading. Apples and Oranges for sure. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Chuck Haines

Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect for him. CH On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:29:45 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 01:25:15 -0500 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > I don't know, but Sempron is AMD's answer to the Celerons. I would > recommend getting a Small Business server Dell PowerEdge 400SC > instead. Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, they work with Linux > (you can get it preinstalled if you like) and you are not paying any > MS-tax. In addition, they have an AGP slot (unadvertised) so you can > use them as a nice Linux desktop if you want. Dell has deals every > once in a while for these systems in the range of $300-400 in their > minimum configurations. Check slickdeals.net for the coupon codes. Geez, Charles... You're starting to sound like a Dell salesman... <g> Are you getting a cut of every 400SC they sell to WLUG members? :D Happy Holidays! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ." -- Patrick Henry, American patriot * TAG! v3.1a *

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] yum repository for Aurora?

by Bill Smith

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:58:15 -0400 Brian Waite <linwoes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > As fate would have it, I just got my hands on an old Sparc. Thanks to > your mail I found a distro. While perusing the FAQ though I think I > found a pointer to your question. There is an up2date sever and > directions at: http://current-aurora.anthonymendoza.com/ > I hope it works for you. Here hoping I can even get a prompt :) At http://www.auroralinux.org there is a page that walks one through the upgrade process, step-by-step. It even uses Yum. As it happens, WPI has their aurora path yum-ified, so I was able to use that... It's on angus.ind.wpi.edu .... <g> I finally had the time to sit through the whole ordeal, which took a little longer than I would have liked (mostly because important things came up, like interacting with my kids. :) ), but the process was pretty-well documented. Barring any serious problems, it's fairly simple, though time-consuming. If anyone has a SPARC system lying about, you may be interested in playing with this. It's worth a look. For the un-initiated, here's how the Aurora version numbers compare to Red Hat: Aurora version Red Hat version 1.0 7.3 1.91 Fedora Core 1 1.92 Fedora Core 2 I understand from the mailing list that Aurora 2.0 is in the works, which will be bassed on FC3. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "You have to take a speed-yawning course to get through some of this stuff" -- Dan Rather, on the 2004 Democratic National Convention * TAG! v3.1a *

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: >> Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, gary> Yea, but Hyperthreading is a nice idea that is still somewhat gary> irrelevant at this stage. Even with dual-cores on the horizon there gary> has is lots of optimizations to do before any of this power is gary> utilized. I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. gary> More relevant now is Hypertransport, which for some reason AMD gary> doesn't brag about as must as Intel does for Hyperthreading. As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine actually going to be used for? -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Bill Smith wrote: > Geez, Charles... You're starting to sound like a Dell salesman... <g> Are you getting a cut of every 400SC they sell to WLUG members? :D > Happy Holidays! Dell is the Wal-Mart of x86! Death to Dell! :-) -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

Here is the MB: http://www.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7v8x-mx/overview.htm and http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?dlc=en&lc=en&product=433683&lan… Actually, with the rebates this looks like a good deal. For myself I usually avoid rebates when possible buy I could be swayed by this one if I was looking for such a box. -- Gary On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > No info in the add about the components, but it's worth noting that > the list price is $450, which is reduced by a $200 "instant rebate" > and a $50 "easy rebate". (I know, I know... it's all advertising > gimmicks.) > > It's model # SR1200NX. Here's a link from Google: > > http://shopping.msn.com/search/detail.aspx?pcId=621&prodId=3123503 > > Bill > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: >> Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: >> >> http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 >> >> All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm >> not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat >> of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. >> >> Does it list what those are? >> >> -- Gary >> >> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >> >>> Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for >>> a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this >>> might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year >>> ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. >>> >>> TIA, >>> Bill >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

No info in the add about the components, but it's worth noting that the list price is $450, which is reduced by a $200 "instant rebate" and a $50 "easy rebate". (I know, I know... it's all advertising gimmicks.) It's model # SR1200NX. Here's a link from Google: http://shopping.msn.com/search/detail.aspx?pcId=621&prodId=3123503 Bill On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:00:41AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: > Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: > > http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 > > All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm > not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat > of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. > > Does it list what those are? > > -- Gary > > On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > >Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > >a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > >might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > >ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > > >TIA, > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, Yea, but Hyperthreading is a nice idea that is still somewhat irrelevant at this stage. Even with dual-cores on the horizon there has is lots of optimizations to do before any of this power is utilized. More relevant now is Hypertransport, which for some reason AMD doesn't brag about as must as Intel does for Hyperthreading. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

Here's a site that gives you a good overview of AMD processors: http://www.short-media.com/review.php?r=272 All the AMD processors work fine with Linux, but at that price I'm not sure what you are getting. It most likely will be somewhat of a dog due to cheapo motherboard/graphics/memory components. Does it list what those are? -- Gary On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:29:45PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. I don't know, but Sempron is AMD's answer to the Celerons. I would recommend getting a Small Business server Dell PowerEdge 400SC instead. Those are Hyperthreading Pentium 4's, they work with Linux (you can get it preinstalled if you like) and you are not paying any MS-tax. In addition, they have an AGP slot (unadvertised) so you can use them as a nice Linux desktop if you want. Dell has deals every once in a while for these systems in the range of $300-400 in their minimum configurations. Check slickdeals.net for the coupon codes.

Dec. 23, 2004

cheap Compaq at Staples

by Bill Mills-Curran

Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. TIA, Bill

Dec. 23, 2004

Items available to good home

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 08:35:29PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Hey everyone. Sorry to go off-topic for a minute, but I'm going to be moving in the near future, and have a lot of items which need a new home. With the upcoming WLUG meeting (which I'm planning to attend), it seemed like a good time to post the list. :) If you're interested in any of the items, I'll be happy to bring them out to Worcester on Wednesday, and you can get them after the meeting. The list is available at: http://www.kluge.net/stuff/ -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Don't tell my kids I'm going to jail! Tell them I joined the Blue Man Group ... I'm the fat one!" - Homer Simpson, A Star is Born Again

Dec. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 08:02:30PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > Here is a WPI campus map which may be of use to you. > http://wlug.org/files/wpi_campus_map.pdf > On this map, the Access Grid room is approximately between locations denoted A > and H. Olin Hall is at location 21. > > Remember, we're meeting in Olin Hall room 107. I've also added directions to Olin 107 on the web site: http://www.wlug.org/directions.html

Dec. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 December 2004 8:35 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > > There is a reasonable probability that the meeting location will move. If > so, I'll let you know, and I'll also have a sign posted at the Access Grid > room if we do move elsewhere on campus. For now, assume that we'll be in > the usual place. HI everybody, Indeed, the meeting room has changed, in anticipation of a larger crowd than normal. I'll update the website shortly. We shall be meeting not in the Access Grid room (aka the usual place), but in Olin Hall room 107. Olin Hall is across campus from where we normally meet. We have had a few meetings there in the past. Here is a WPI campus map which may be of use to you. http://wlug.org/files/wpi_campus_map.pdf On this map, the Access Grid room is approximately between locations denoted A and H. Olin Hall is at location 21. Remember, we're meeting in Olin Hall room 107. We're also hoping that our friends from the IEEE Worcester Section will be able to join us at this meeting. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFBukcvHl0iXDssISsRAiWhAJiyDiRIEfKVgZHXnbfgPtb13EL3AJ9NlEBu ayDwPgPJ/9OCXQf2VyrvPg== =3rca -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Gary＠home

Please excuse the slightly off-topic comment from this AMD fan-boy... But *if* Sun gains any traction selling these machines the stock could appeciate nicely...maybe even spectacularly. Now is a nice time buy while the stock is relatively cheap if you can tolerate the risk, which is significant. -- Gary Chuck Haines wrote: >Yea, I installed KDE. Just to test the system compiling, we did >various -jXX to see what would happen. At -j100 to gcc the system >load avg was about 50, however the system was as responsive as if >there was no load average, it was awesome. We finally got the load >average to over 200 when the machine finally starting having severe >lag problems. > >CH > > >On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:26:14 -0500, Gary at home <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > >>Awesome! I'm jealous. >> >>How about Gnome or KDE? >> >>-- Gary >> >> >> >>Chuck Haines wrote: >> >> >> >>>Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit >>>operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. >>> >>>CH >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Chuck Haines

Yea, I installed KDE. Just to test the system compiling, we did various -jXX to see what would happen. At -j100 to gcc the system load avg was about 50, however the system was as responsive as if there was no load average, it was awesome. We finally got the load average to over 200 when the machine finally starting having severe lag problems. CH On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 21:26:14 -0500, Gary at home <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > Awesome! I'm jealous. > > How about Gnome or KDE? > > -- Gary > > > > Chuck Haines wrote: > > >Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > >operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > > > >CH > > > > > > > > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Gary＠home

Awesome! I'm jealous. How about Gnome or KDE? -- Gary Chuck Haines wrote: >Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit >operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > >CH > > >

Dec. 10, 2004

Reminder: Guest Speaker 'maddog'

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, December 15th at 7:00 PM. Our guest speaker will be Jon 'maddog' Hall, the Executive Director of Linux International, and his topic will be: "The Many Ways of Making Money with Free and Open Source" Details about the talk, and some biographical information about our speaker, can be found on the WLUG home page. maddog is a great speaker who has spoken at several WLUG meetings in the past. His talks are always quite informative and entertaining, and the response from the WLUG membership has been overwhelmingly positive. There is a reasonable probability that the meeting location will move. If so, I'll let you know, and I'll also have a sign posted at the Access Grid room if we do move elsewhere on campus. For now, assume that we'll be in the usual place. Bring your friends! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBuP1hHl0iXDssISsRAkHHAJ9n3VutYSp/NYpLuE3aktHJ7nQWwQCeOfRX GZS/95jLP0UPNadePoV63Xo= =NEY4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 09 December 2004 02:59 pm, Brian J. Conway wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > > operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. > > Mozilla? OpenOffice.org? hello.c? moz is good ... OOo.org is a REAL good test (on a 1gig G4 w/1gig off ram it easilly takes over 24hours) from the sounds of it though, i think you want to measure your vpenis ... http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/vpenis -mike

Dec. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Big Package

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit > operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. Mozilla? OpenOffice.org? hello.c? Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 9, 2004

Big Package

by Chuck Haines

Can anyone suggest a really big package to compile on a Sun 64 bit operton machine? We just got a new one and I want to test it out. CH -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity http://www.tkezm.org WPI Class of 2005 http://www.wpi.edu ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 9, 2004