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Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM

by Robert Schwein

Andy For us new guys, where is the "usual place"? Thanks Bob Andy Stewart wrote: >HI Everybody, > >This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting which will be held on >Thursday, Feb. 10th at 7:00 PM in the usual place. > >Our guest speaker will be Scott Venier, a long time WLUG member, who will be >discussing Vesta, a software configuration management system. > >Vesta is a portable SCM system targeted at supporting development of software >systems of almost any size, from fairly small (under 10,000 source lines) to >very large (10,000,000 source lines). It is both a revision control system >and a build system. Vesta provides full automatic dependency detection and >guarantees exact repeatability of any build. > >See ya there! > >Andy > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 9, 2005

Reminder: Meeting Thurs 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting which will be held on Thursday, Feb. 10th at 7:00 PM in the usual place. Our guest speaker will be Scott Venier, a long time WLUG member, who will be discussing Vesta, a software configuration management system. Vesta is a portable SCM system targeted at supporting development of software systems of almost any size, from fairly small (under 10,000 source lines) to very large (10,000,000 source lines). It is both a revision control system and a build system. Vesta provides full automatic dependency detection and guarantees exact repeatability of any build. See ya there! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 9, 2005

CUPS + Accounting System

by Chuck Haines

Does anyone have any experience / know of an accounting system that I can use with CUPS? I'm getting ready to migrate our print server from lprng to cups, but I need a new accounting software. The only one is homebrew, but I'd like to move to something more sophisticated if possible. The only basic needs I have for the accounting system is to set a price per page and have the costs and page counts dumb to MySQL so my web front end will work. Thanks, -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Brian Waite

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 19:33:28 -0500, Pete Wason <codevark(a)netscape.net> wrote: > Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. > > Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) > > Pete Wason > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > A bit OT. But I have boards based on the same chipsets as the Peg and I know it is currently being tested with 2.6.11... I have been helping out with the chipset dev under 2.4 and 2.6. Are you just curious about who is doing what or do you need some help. I would be more than happy to help you bring it up under 2.6 becuse it would give another test point. Thanks Brian

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Kinz

On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 05:11:58PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> adds: > > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Kinz <jkinz(a)kinz.org> adds: > jkinz> Also- didn't something called "inotify" just make it into the > jkinz> kernel? I think that is also a file change notification utility? > > jmoyer> It's not in the kernel as of 2.6.10. There are patches, of course, Its in Andrew's tree, with patches being applied (quickly) as people find problems. :) > jmoyer> but even if it were in the kernel, it wouldn't be a drop in > jmoyer> replacement for xbiff (obviously). Ya, its a lower level facility one would use to build an xbiff replacement. > jmoyer> Though, it wouldn't be too difficult to write a replacement using > jmoyer> inotify. Ah, yes, quite. :) > > I just looked into this further. It seems inotify, in its current form, > has little chance of inclusion in mainstream kernels. Al Viro puked all > over it, and with good reason. Al did point out a problem with a umount call in the middle of a inotify operation, but someone else (Mike Waychison) provided a patch for that problem. (Which may or may not be accepted, but Robert seems to like it). (FOI "For other's information" - background) Inotify is supposed to provide the low level dnotify-like functionality but with a much lower resource impact. I like that (assuming it can be done.) I've always hated seeing how much CPU fam was using, it seems like such a waste for something that appears to be trivial. (but like all things, may be harder than they appear). -- http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Feb. 2, 2005

RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Martin, Eric J.

I put Linux on my Beige G3... -----Original Message----- From: Webmaster [mailto:webmaster@atari-users.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:04 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos? A Pegasos is a PPC based system. MorphOS is somewhat of an Amiga OS clone. The Pegasos has had Linux ported to it. But my question for Pete is.. think Genesi (Pegasos company) will be around a year from now? check out http://www.pegasosppc.com fro info on the board. Rob Mahlert Charles R. Anderson wrote: >On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > > >>Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. >> >>Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) >> >>Pete Wason >> >> > >What's a Pegasos? > >Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next meeting :) >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2005

RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Martin, Eric J.

it's a version of PPC (PowerPC) -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:33 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos? On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. > > Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) > > Pete Wason What's a Pegasos? Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next meeting :) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 01 February 2005 11:41 pm, Jared Greenwald wrote: > I think I remember seeing something about Gentoo supporting the Genesi > hardware platform... There is some connection between the two - I > think Genesi is a supporter or Gentoo and that they also will be > selling PPC boxes with Gentoo pre-installed. All in the name of Open > Desktop. yes, genesi was so kind as to donate 10 decent pegasos machines to the Gentoo project -mike

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Jared Greenwald

I think I remember seeing something about Gentoo supporting the Genesi hardware platform... There is some connection between the two - I think Genesi is a supporter or Gentoo and that they also will be selling PPC boxes with Gentoo pre-installed. All in the name of Open Desktop. -Jared On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:04:08 -0500, Webmaster <webmaster(a)atari-users.net> wrote: > A Pegasos is a PPC based system. MorphOS is somewhat of an Amiga OS > clone. The Pegasos has had Linux ported to it. > > But my question for Pete is.. think Genesi (Pegasos company) will be > around a year from now? > > check out http://www.pegasosppc.com fro info on the board. > > Rob Mahlert > > > Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > >On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > > > > > >>Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. > >> > >>Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) > >> > >>Pete Wason > >> > >> > > > >What's a Pegasos? > > > >Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next meeting :) > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Webmaster

A Pegasos is a PPC based system. MorphOS is somewhat of an Amiga OS clone. The Pegasos has had Linux ported to it. But my question for Pete is.. think Genesi (Pegasos company) will be around a year from now? check out http://www.pegasosppc.com fro info on the board. Rob Mahlert Charles R. Anderson wrote: >On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > > >>Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. >> >>Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) >> >>Pete Wason >> >> > >What's a Pegasos? > >Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next meeting :) >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Pete Wason wrote: > Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. > > Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) > > Pete Wason What's a Pegasos? Looks like we have a volunteer to present at the next meeting :)

Feb. 2, 2005

Anyone running Linux on Pegasos?

by Pete Wason

Just curious... I have a Peg I, but I'm running MorphOS. Boots in about 4 seconds ;-) Pete Wason

Feb. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> adds: ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Kinz <jkinz(a)kinz.org> adds: jkinz> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > >>> replacement? hmm - my email clients seem to let me know without extra >>> > features. >>> Mine notifies me, too, but only if I'm in that screen. (Multiple >>> screens (insert correct name if not "screens") on my desktop.) Also, I >>> use it to notify me of new activity in other files. It's really quite >>> flexible and useful for local event notification. jkinz> Sounds very useful. I believe Gnome and KDE have built something jkinz> into their respective packages to do similar functionality. jkinz> Also- didn't something called "inotify" just make it into the jkinz> kernel? I think that is also a file change notification utility? jmoyer> It's not in the kernel as of 2.6.10. There are patches, of course, jmoyer> but even if it were in the kernel, it wouldn't be a drop in jmoyer> replacement for xbiff (obviously). jmoyer> Though, it wouldn't be too difficult to write a replacement using jmoyer> inotify. I just looked into this further. It seems inotify, in its current form, has little chance of inclusion in mainstream kernels. Al Viro puked all over it, and with good reason. You could use dnotify, but that would mean more caching within the user space app than should be necessary. But, that really isn't the issue here. Sorry, Bill, I don't know what others use to replace xbiff. You could always build and install it yourself, especially since it works for you. -Jeff

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Kinz <jkinz(a)kinz.org> adds: jkinz> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > >> replacement? hmm - my email clients seem to let me know without extra > >> features. >> Mine notifies me, too, but only if I'm in that screen. (Multiple >> screens (insert correct name if not "screens") on my desktop.) Also, I >> use it to notify me of new activity in other files. It's really quite >> flexible and useful for local event notification. jkinz> Sounds very useful. I believe Gnome and KDE have built something jkinz> into their respective packages to do similar functionality. jkinz> Also- didn't something called "inotify" just make it into the jkinz> kernel? I think that is also a file change notification utility? It's not in the kernel as of 2.6.10. There are patches, of course, but even if it were in the kernel, it wouldn't be a drop in replacement for xbiff (obviously). Though, it wouldn't be too difficult to write a replacement using inotify. -Jeff

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] xbiff; Jeff Kinz <jkinz(a)kinz.org> adds: jkinz> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:38:52AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: >> Hey Phro, do you still maintain PhroMail ;-) jkinz> That's Frank Sweetsers baby, isn't it? Yes, Frank wrote that when learning to program with the gtk+ library, iirc. I never maintained it, though I did submit patches. ;) From the readme: ,---- | Where the heck did you come up with *that* name? | --------------------------- | | When I first started writing this program, I didn't have a good name for | it. I mentioned to a friend of mine - you guessed it, his nickname was | Phro - that I was writing an xbiff replacement. He said "Yeah! You can | call it phromail - it'll send you mail to let you know that you've got new | mail!" While the overall idea didn't quite pan out, the name stuck. `---- -Jeff (a.k.a. phro)

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PSC1210 and CUPS server

by Chuck Haines

I actually ended up figuring out a way to get it to work. Aparently HP doesn't ship the INF file that is required, they force you to use their stupid setup program, which assumes the printer is locally connected. So since I had the print drivers installed in cups and samba set up for the printers, I was able to install an Adobe Generic Postscript printer and point it to the samba printer. It seems to work fine since the all processing is done on the linux machine. Thanks for everyone's help. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:17:11 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:59:23PM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I > > could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just > > fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I > > try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file > > to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, > > as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone > > else had any experience with this. > > > > Chuck > > > <snip> > > Hmmm... I thought you'd need to set up Samba. When you configure > Samba, there's a place where you can store the setup files for a > printer so that a Windows box can get them from there. I've never > done the driver directory setup myself -- it's one of those things I > never get around to doing. > > Bill > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PSC1210 and CUPS server

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:59:23PM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I > could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just > fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I > try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file > to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, > as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone > else had any experience with this. > > Chuck > <snip> Hmmm... I thought you'd need to set up Samba. When you configure Samba, there's a place where you can store the setup files for a printer so that a Windows box can get them from there. I've never done the driver directory setup myself -- it's one of those things I never get around to doing. Bill

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PSC1210 and CUPS server

by James Baldassari

Also, be aware that Windows formats documents _before_ sending them to the printer, so when you have CUPS serving up a printer with Samba to Windows machines you need to tell the CUPS server to expect preformatted data: in /etc/cups/mime.types uncomment this line: #application/octet-stream in /etc/cups/mime.convs uncomment this line: #application/octet-stream application/vnd.cups-raw 0 - As for the INF file, you might just have to run the HP install program on one machine and try to figure out which INF file it installed for the printer. If you can find out which one is correct, you should be able to either copy it to the other Windows machines or configure CUPS/Samba to push the driver to the Windows clients when they add the printer. -James > On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 16:59 -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: >> I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I >> could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just >> fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I >> try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file >> to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, >> as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone >> else had any experience with this. >> > > I am not sure whether this is the proper way to do it(ideologically and > practically) but I remember installing ESP print pro on win machine to > make it capable of printing via Internet Printing Protocol, IPP. > > Of course, do not forget to specify a list of allowed clients > in /etc/cupsd.conf > > Baris > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] PSC1210 and CUPS server

by Baris Hasdemir

On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 16:59 -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I > could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just > fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I > try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file > to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, > as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone > else had any experience with this. > I am not sure whether this is the proper way to do it(ideologically and practically) but I remember installing ESP print pro on win machine to make it capable of printing via Internet Printing Protocol, IPP. Of course, do not forget to specify a list of allowed clients in /etc/cupsd.conf Baris

Jan. 31, 2005

PSC1210 and CUPS server

by Chuck Haines

I just recently decided to put my PSC1210 on my linux server so I could share it with other people. I installed it using cups just fine, it's prints beautiful from the linux machine. However when I try and install the printer from Windows, it asks me for the INF file to install the driver. Not unfortunately HP doesn't include this INF, as they want you to install all their crap. I was curious if anyone else had any experience with this. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Kinz

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:50:13AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > > replacement? hmm - my email clients seem to let me know without extra > > features. > Mine notifies me, too, but only if I'm in that screen. (Multiple > screens (insert correct name if not "screens") on my desktop.) Also, > I use it to notify me of new activity in other files. It's really > quite flexible and useful for local event notification. Sounds very useful. I believe Gnome and KDE have built something into their respective packages to do similar functionality. Also- didn't something called "inotify" just make it into the kernel? I think that is also a file change notification utility? -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: <snip> > > replacement? hmm - my email clients seem to let me know without extra > features. Jeff, Mine notifies me, too, but only if I'm in that screen. (Multiple screens (insert correct name if not "screens") on my desktop.) Also, I use it to notify me of new activity in other files. It's really quite flexible and useful for local event notification. Bill

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Kinz

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:38:52AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > > Hey Phro, do you still maintain PhroMail ;-) That's Frank Sweetsers baby, isn't it? The Mutt E-Mail Client "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." - me, circa 1995 (me - Mike Elkins - mutt author) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Jeff Kinz

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 08:49:38AM -0500, Martin, Eric J. wrote: > > what's xbiff? > > "biff": name of the pet dog of one of the original (1970-190's) coders. > Dog used to bark whenever the mailman came. Correction: "biff": name of the pet dog of one of the original (1970-1980's) Berekley coders. Dog used to bark whenever the mailman came. -- Linux/Open Source: Your infrastructure belongs to you, free, forever. Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/ http://kinz.org http://www.fedoratracker.org http://www.fedorafaq.org http://www.fedoranews.org Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Jan. 31, 2005

Re: [Wlug] xbiff

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:07:18AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: > replacement? hmm - my email clients seem to let me know without extra > features. Hey Phro, do you still maintain PhroMail ;-)

Jan. 31, 2005