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Unsuccessful installation of gDesklets

by Ken Jones

You've piqued my interest in gDesklets. I am trying to install it with no success. I am running Fedora Core 3. The README warns me not to attempt to compile this package, but it offers me no alternative. I downloaded, unzipped and tar'd gDesklets-0.34.2.tar.bz2. I ran the configure file. It failed for lack of pygtk-2.0. (see below) I downloaded, unzipped and tar'd pygtk-2.4.1.tar.bz2. This successfully compiled and installed. I even helped by modifying and exporting environmental PKG_CONFIG_PATH But still gDesklets did not. Any ideas? -----snip of command [kjones@kjones-fedora gDesklets-0.34.2]$ ./configure . . checking for pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package pygtk-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pygtk-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'pygtk-2.0' found configure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 pyorbit-2 >= 2.0.1 gnome-python-2.0 >= 2.6.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. --------------------- I successfully installed pgytk-2.4.1. Here is the last step: [root@kjones-fedora pygtk-2.4.1]# make install Making install in codegen . . make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. make[2]: Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/kjones/downloads/FedoraCore3/pygtk-2.4.1/tests' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kjones/downloads/FedoraCore3/pygtk-2.4.1/tests' [root@kjones-fedora pygtk-2.4.1]# I set PKG_CONFIG_PATH as suggested. [kjones@kjones-fedora pygtk]$ ls $PKG_CONFIG_PATH pygtk-2.0 [kjones@kjones-fedora pygtk]$ echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH /usr/bin/include [kjones@kjones-fedora pygtk]$ Still no good. What do you think? Ken Jones

March 17, 2005

SuSE 9.1 YaST2 online_update problem

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, I just installed the SuSE SLES 9 (kernel 2.6.5-7.97). I can't get the 'YOU' utility to work. A box pops up asking for a username/password pair. I have this set up to run automatically every day at 5:00AM, but it fails with an error message "Unable to check for updates". If I run the YOU GUI by hand, a box pops up asking for authentication data (a username and password). During the installation of the O/S, it actually ran YOU successfully and downloaded some updates. I've looked at the /etc/sysconfig/onlineupdate file and I can't see anything obviously wrong. There is a password file in /var/lib/YaST2/you. I've tried using the root password, my personal password, but nothing works. What am I overlooking? Thanks, -Chuck

March 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by Dennis Payne

> Surely you log in as just "foobar", no? > You have to have gotten through the domain name system > and be connected to a definite port on a definite IP > address before you even get the login prompt. I agree it should just be "foobar" but that doesn't work. All the instructions say to use the foobar(a)domain.com. Since they didn't ask me when designing the system, I have to live with what I got. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

March 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Andrew Robert

Hi Jared, That did it. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated. Jared Greenwald wrote: >yea, gnome-session-properties > > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:28:56 -0500, Eric 'Freak4u' Martin ><freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>There's some setting that will exec programs on startup under gnome. >>It's in gnome, under sessions I think...I'm installing gnome right now >>so I can find it exactly. >> >> >>On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:50:54 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: >> >> >>>I am using gnome under FC3. >>> >>>Jared Greenwald wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>You using kde or gnome? >>>> >>>>On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:50:00 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Good morning everyone, >>>>> >>>>>I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does >>>>>not start automatically on login. >>>>> >>>>>I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. >>>>> >>>>>I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my >>>>>.bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. >>>>> >>>>>Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? >>>>> >>>>>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Thank you, >>>>>Andrew Robert >>>>>Systems Architect >>>>>Information Technologies - OpenVMS >>>>>Massachusetts Financial Services >>>>>Phone: (617) 954-5882 >>>>>Pager: (781) 945-1742 >>>>>E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Wlug mailing list >>>>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Wlug mailing list >>>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Thank you, >>>Andrew Robert >>>Systems Architect >>>Information Technologies - OpenVMS >>>Massachusetts Financial Services >>>Phone: (617) 954-5882 >>>Pager: (781) 945-1742 >>>E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect Information Technologies - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 945-1742 E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Jared Greenwald

yea, gnome-session-properties On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:28:56 -0500, Eric 'Freak4u' Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There's some setting that will exec programs on startup under gnome. > It's in gnome, under sessions I think...I'm installing gnome right now > so I can find it exactly. > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:50:54 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > > I am using gnome under FC3. > > > > Jared Greenwald wrote: > > > > >You using kde or gnome? > > > > > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:50:00 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Good morning everyone, > > >> > > >>I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does > > >>not start automatically on login. > > >> > > >>I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. > > >> > > >>I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my > > >>.bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. > > >> > > >>Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? > > >> > > >>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > >> > > >>-- > > >>Thank you, > > >>Andrew Robert > > >>Systems Architect > > >>Information Technologies - OpenVMS > > >>Massachusetts Financial Services > > >>Phone: (617) 954-5882 > > >>Pager: (781) 945-1742 > > >>E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Wlug mailing list > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Thank you, > > Andrew Robert > > Systems Architect > > Information Technologies - OpenVMS > > Massachusetts Financial Services > > Phone: (617) 954-5882 > > Pager: (781) 945-1742 > > E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Eric 'Freak4u' Martin

There's some setting that will exec programs on startup under gnome. It's in gnome, under sessions I think...I'm installing gnome right now so I can find it exactly. On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:50:54 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > I am using gnome under FC3. > > Jared Greenwald wrote: > > >You using kde or gnome? > > > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:50:00 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > > > > > >>Good morning everyone, > >> > >>I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does > >>not start automatically on login. > >> > >>I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. > >> > >>I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my > >>.bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. > >> > >>Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? > >> > >>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > >> > >>-- > >>Thank you, > >>Andrew Robert > >>Systems Architect > >>Information Technologies - OpenVMS > >>Massachusetts Financial Services > >>Phone: (617) 954-5882 > >>Pager: (781) 945-1742 > >>E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Wlug mailing list > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > -- > Thank you, > Andrew Robert > Systems Architect > Information Technologies - OpenVMS > Massachusetts Financial Services > Phone: (617) 954-5882 > Pager: (781) 945-1742 > E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Andrew Robert

I am using gnome under FC3. Jared Greenwald wrote: >You using kde or gnome? > >On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:50:00 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > > >>Good morning everyone, >> >>I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does >>not start automatically on login. >> >>I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. >> >>I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my >>.bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. >> >>Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? >> >>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. >> >>-- >>Thank you, >>Andrew Robert >>Systems Architect >>Information Technologies - OpenVMS >>Massachusetts Financial Services >>Phone: (617) 954-5882 >>Pager: (781) 945-1742 >>E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect Information Technologies - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 945-1742 E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Jared Greenwald

You using kde or gnome? On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:50:00 -0500, Andrew Robert <arobert(a)townisp.com> wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does > not start automatically on login. > > I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. > > I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my > .bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. > > Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? > > Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > Thank you, > Andrew Robert > Systems Architect > Information Technologies - OpenVMS > Massachusetts Financial Services > Phone: (617) 954-5882 > Pager: (781) 945-1742 > E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 16, 2005

Problem starting gdesklets on login

by Andrew Robert

Good morning everyone, I recently installed gdesklets on FC3 and it works fine except it does not start automatically on login. I've tried saving the gnome session but the gdesklets are not captured. I've also tried automatinng the start by adding the call to my .bash_profile file but that doesn't do the trick either. Does anyone know how to overcome this issue? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect Information Technologies - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 945-1742 E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by John Stoffel

>> fetchmail -c -v -u foobar(a)domain.com mail.domain.com Dennis> I did try that without the -v and got this for the password prompt: Dennis> Enter password for foobar@domain.com@mail.domain.com: This is possibly a fetchmail thing, I'd check to make sure you're running the latest version. Dennis> I assumed that the reason it failed was that it was sending Dennis> that as the user name. Turns out that ther verbose Dennis> information shows that it is sending the appropriate Dennis> information despite what the prompt shows. It also now Dennis> succeeds so I must need to wait a little bit after creating Dennis> the email account through the web administration. The verbose option is the key when using fetchmail. It's a great tool which works wonders, but can be a pain to get going right sometimes. Of course, that's all the various protocols fault, not fetchmails. John

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by Keith Wright

> From: Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > > Nope. I'm not talking about one account that collects a > bunch of emails and dropping them in the appropriate > mailbox. > > The POP3 server is mail.domain.com. The login account is > foobar(a)domain.com. Surely you log in as just "foobar", no? You have to have gotten through the domain name system and be connected to a definite port on a definite IP address before you even get the login prompt. > Fetchmail allows you to specify the > username of foobar to which it adds @mail.domain.com. > This fails because the login account doesn't include > "mail.". (Or at least that is my read of the document > they provide for grabbing the email.) > > So I want to stop or change what it adds to the username. I don't know why it would add anything. The POP server knows who you are because you tell it USER <name>. The RFC (rfc 1939) doesn't say much about how you spell your name, but in my experience it's just the part before the "@". If the server has mail for you, it should give it to you, no matter what the name or alias of the machine that accepted it from the SMTP server. To get mail for me (kwright on this machine) from mail.speakeasy.net (kawright on that machine, which belongs to the ISP), I put the following in .fetchmailrc. It does not matter if that mail came to me via speakeasy.net or an alias like free-comp-shop.com. skip spk via mail.speakeasy.net protocol pop3 username "kawright" password "****", is "kwright" here limit 20000 The "skip" means it is not automatic, I have to ask for it by name. I do this because I have accounts on more than one machine and like to control which one I fetch from. Thus: /usr/bin/fetchmail -v gis spk -- Keith

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by Dennis Payne

> fetchmail -c -v -u foobar(a)domain.com mail.domain.com I did try that without the -v and got this for the password prompt: Enter password for foobar@domain.com@mail.domain.com: I assumed that the reason it failed was that it was sending that as the user name. Turns out that ther verbose information shows that it is sending the appropriate information despite what the prompt shows. It also now succeeds so I must need to wait a little bit after creating the email account through the web administration. Thanks for the help. (Should have checked for a verbose option myself.) Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

March 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by Dennis Payne

Nope. I'm not talking about one account that collects a bunch of emails and dropping them in the appropriate mailbox. The POP3 server is mail.domain.com. The login account is foobar(a)domain.com. Fetchmail allows you to specify the username of foobar to which it adds @mail.domain.com. This fails because the login account doesn't include "mail.". (Or at least that is my read of the document they provide for grabbing the email.) So I want to stop or change what it adds to the username. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

March 15, 2005

Fetchmail

by Dennis Payne

Such a simple question yet I can't seem to find an answer. I'm trying to use fetchmail to retrieve from a POP3 account. The POP3 server includes mail in the server name (mail.domain.com) The email accounts do not include mail. Unfortunately fetchmail seems to take the supplied username and add the mail server name. So I get foobar(a)mail.domain.com instead of foobar(a)domain.com. (Or foobar@domain.com@mail.domain.com if I try to specify the server name.) Is there an option I need to specify (or maybe upgrade fetchmail)? Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

March 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by John Stoffel

Dennis> Nope. I'm not talking about one account that collects a bunch Dennis> of emails and dropping them in the appropriate mailbox. Ok, that's clearer. It would still help if you could show us your existing .fetchmailrc file... Dennis> The POP3 server is mail.domain.com. The login account is Dennis> foobar(a)domain.com. Fetchmail allows you to specify the Dennis> username of foobar to which it adds @mail.domain.com. This Dennis> fails because the login account doesn't include "mail.". (Or Dennis> at least that is my read of the document they provide for Dennis> grabbing the email.) Ok, here's what I would try: fetchmail -c -v -u foobar(a)domain.com mail.domain.com and see what happens. You could also put the following in our .fetchmailrc file: poll mail.domain.com protocol pop3 username "foobar(a)domain.com" \ password "secret1" All on one line. Then do: fetchmail -v -c and see what happens. Sending us the logs would be helpful. Sanitize them of course, but at least let us see how the protocol negotiation goes, otherwise we're not going to be able to help you. John

March 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Fetchmail

by John Stoffel

Dennis> Such a simple question yet I can't seem to find an answer. Dennis> I'm trying to use fetchmail to retrieve from a POP3 account. Ok, that's certainly doable. Dennis> The POP3 server includes mail in the server name Dennis> (mail.domain.com) The email accounts do not include mail. What do you mean here? Can you post your .fetchmailrc file so we can look at it? And some logs from when you try to run it? As I read it above, the POP3 server's hostname is 'mail.domain.com'. Email is sent to 'user(a)domain.com', with all email for user1, user2, etc, going to one emailbox on the POP3 server, correct? Dennis> Unfortunately fetchmail seems to take the supplied username Dennis> and add the mail server name. So I get foobar(a)mail.domain.com Dennis> instead of foobar(a)domain.com. (Or Dennis> foobar@domain.com@mail.domain.com if I try to specify the Dennis> server name.) Is there an option I need to specify (or maybe Dennis> upgrade fetchmail)? I assume what you're trying to do here is download all the email from the POP3 server and then split it up to the local different users? Have you read the section in the fetchmail man page on "The Use and Abuse of Multidrop Mailboxes"? I *htink* this is what you're asking for help with, but it's not clear to me what you are really asking for. John

March 15, 2005

Intel's HyperTransport

by Gary Hanley

For any of you open-source types that dabble in hardware... So some interesting news is making the rounds today. It seems Intel is developing a competing standard to the tried-n-true open-standard called Hypertransport, which they never liked because they did not create it. Here's the story: http://www.penstarsys.com/#intel_ht Can anyone think of a reason why one should support this disruptive beast by purchasing PCs based on their chips? (Please excuse the partisan rant. I'm an AMD fanboy who hates all things Intel...and news like this is exactly why.) -- Gary

March 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Jared Greenwald

I would think that Chuck Anderson's approach would work then. Though you might actually be able to get away with creating a link to the i386 called i686... Just a theory. -Jared On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:18:37 -0500, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But distcc is the one trying to call i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. That's > where this problem came in the first place. So unless you can tell me > how to change it from calling i686 to just calling gcc, I think I'll > try the shell scripts. > > Chuck > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:47:51 -0500, The Freak <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > distcc knows enough to compile that stuff correctly. check out the > > distcc guide on gentoo's website. For all of you that don't use > > gentoo, all of there guides are great reading anyway. Seeing as > > gentoo is a source distro, most of the knowlege on the forums and > > guides applies to linux in general, not just their flavor. I had > > distcc running on a few i686's, an i586, a sparc64 and a powerpc. the > > x86s worked fine together, the powerpc and sparc might have had a few > > problems working with the group every now and again but it generally > > all worked. > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:39:40 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:05:56AM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > > > trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants > > > > to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the > > > > RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real > > > > problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use > > > > gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? > > > > > > Just create a shell script called i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc that calls > > > /usr/bin/gcc with -march=i686 ? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > http://www.maxslack.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > TKE-ZM Web Coordinator > ECE Systems Administrator > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 > GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by J Schonberg

You may find it easier to just create a symbolic link so that i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc points to the compiler you currently have installed. A script could work too but then you have to make sure that any options used on the command line are passed through the script. A symbolic link may be easier. Jason. --- Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > But distcc is the one trying to call i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. That's > where this problem came in the first place. So unless you can tell > me > how to change it from calling i686 to just calling gcc, I think > I'll > try the shell scripts. > > Chuck > __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Chuck Haines

But distcc is the one trying to call i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. That's where this problem came in the first place. So unless you can tell me how to change it from calling i686 to just calling gcc, I think I'll try the shell scripts. Chuck On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:47:51 -0500, The Freak <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > distcc knows enough to compile that stuff correctly. check out the > distcc guide on gentoo's website. For all of you that don't use > gentoo, all of there guides are great reading anyway. Seeing as > gentoo is a source distro, most of the knowlege on the forums and > guides applies to linux in general, not just their flavor. I had > distcc running on a few i686's, an i586, a sparc64 and a powerpc. the > x86s worked fine together, the powerpc and sparc might have had a few > problems working with the group every now and again but it generally > all worked. > > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:39:40 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:05:56AM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > > trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants > > > to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the > > > RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real > > > problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use > > > gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? > > > > Just create a shell script called i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc that calls > > /usr/bin/gcc with -march=i686 ? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com http://www.maxslack.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by The Freak

distcc knows enough to compile that stuff correctly. check out the distcc guide on gentoo's website. For all of you that don't use gentoo, all of there guides are great reading anyway. Seeing as gentoo is a source distro, most of the knowlege on the forums and guides applies to linux in general, not just their flavor. I had distcc running on a few i686's, an i586, a sparc64 and a powerpc. the x86s worked fine together, the powerpc and sparc might have had a few problems working with the group every now and again but it generally all worked. On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:39:40 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:05:56AM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants > > to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the > > RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real > > problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use > > gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? > > Just create a shell script called i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc that calls > /usr/bin/gcc with -march=i686 ? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Chuck R. Anderson

On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 09:05:56AM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants > to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the > RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real > problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use > gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? Just create a shell script called i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc that calls /usr/bin/gcc with -march=i686 ?

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Jared Greenwald

I would think that shouldn't matter. Its like having an "ls" command built with march=i386 as opposed to i686. It should work the same - its just optimized to _run_ on one arch or the other. -Jared On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:05:56 -0500, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ok, BTW, I am using gentoo that's why I want to get distcc set up. > However the servers I have access to are running RHEL3 and 4. Now my > question for anyone who know's distcc is that for some reason when > trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants > to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the > RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real > problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use > gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? > > Thanks, > Chuck > > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:32:29 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:55:00PM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > > Does anyone know if I can get binaries so I can compile for i686 on > > > fedora and / or rhel4. I'm trying to set up distcc, but I need i686 > > > in order for it to work. The machines are more than compatible and I > > > don't know what redhat hasn't finally switched over. I'm not sure I > > > know of a single i386 machine still in use. > > > > You don't need a different compiler. The Fedora compiler is perfectly > > capable of compiling the extra instructions in the i686 instruction > > set. Here is what stock i386.rpm Fedora packages are compiled with: > > > > -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 > > > > The important bit is how the packages are tuned for pentium4 > > scheduling, since the P4 is so picky with instruction ordering (athlon > > couldn't care less, so these tunings matter less there). > > > > The few packages where using the extra i686 instructions actually > > makes sense and doesn't slow things down are already compiled that > > way: kernel, openssl, glibc. > > > > Other packages are .i386.rpm, but do runtime detection to enable or > > disable support for extra instructions, like MMX/SSE. mplayer comes > > to mind. In fact, the i686 kernels do runtime athlon optimizations, > > eliminating the need for a separately compiled athlon kernel. > > > > Don't get hung up on the .i386.rpm package naming. The RPM arch has > > little to do with reality these days, and there is talk about > > replacing it with cpu flag metadata anyway. Fedora/Red Hat hasn't run > > on actual i386 processors since NPTL, AFAIK. Hence, there was little > > perceived need or desire to change all of Fedora's RPM %{arch} tags > > just to provide a slightly different illusion of > > compatibility/optimization than we already have. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > http://www.maxslack.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > TKE-ZM Web Coordinator > ECE Systems Administrator > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 > GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Chuck Haines

Ok, BTW, I am using gentoo that's why I want to get distcc set up. However the servers I have access to are running RHEL3 and 4. Now my question for anyone who know's distcc is that for some reason when trying to run distcc instead of it doing the gcc -march=i686, it wants to call the i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. Now this is a problem because the RHEL machines only have i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc. This is the real problem I'm running in to. Does anyone know how to make distcc use gcc -march instead of trying to use the i686? Thanks, Chuck On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:32:29 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:55:00PM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > > Does anyone know if I can get binaries so I can compile for i686 on > > fedora and / or rhel4. I'm trying to set up distcc, but I need i686 > > in order for it to work. The machines are more than compatible and I > > don't know what redhat hasn't finally switched over. I'm not sure I > > know of a single i386 machine still in use. > > You don't need a different compiler. The Fedora compiler is perfectly > capable of compiling the extra instructions in the i686 instruction > set. Here is what stock i386.rpm Fedora packages are compiled with: > > -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 > > The important bit is how the packages are tuned for pentium4 > scheduling, since the P4 is so picky with instruction ordering (athlon > couldn't care less, so these tunings matter less there). > > The few packages where using the extra i686 instructions actually > makes sense and doesn't slow things down are already compiled that > way: kernel, openssl, glibc. > > Other packages are .i386.rpm, but do runtime detection to enable or > disable support for extra instructions, like MMX/SSE. mplayer comes > to mind. In fact, the i686 kernels do runtime athlon optimizations, > eliminating the need for a separately compiled athlon kernel. > > Don't get hung up on the .i386.rpm package naming. The RPM arch has > little to do with reality these days, and there is talk about > replacing it with cpu flag metadata anyway. Fedora/Red Hat hasn't run > on actual i386 processors since NPTL, AFAIK. Hence, there was little > perceived need or desire to change all of Fedora's RPM %{arch} tags > just to provide a slightly different illusion of > compatibility/optimization than we already have. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com http://www.maxslack.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

March 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] i686 gcc on fedora or rhel4

by Chuck R. Anderson

On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:55:00PM -0500, Chuck Haines wrote: > Does anyone know if I can get binaries so I can compile for i686 on > fedora and / or rhel4. I'm trying to set up distcc, but I need i686 > in order for it to work. The machines are more than compatible and I > don't know what redhat hasn't finally switched over. I'm not sure I > know of a single i386 machine still in use. You don't need a different compiler. The Fedora compiler is perfectly capable of compiling the extra instructions in the i686 instruction set. Here is what stock i386.rpm Fedora packages are compiled with: -O2 -g -pipe -m32 -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 The important bit is how the packages are tuned for pentium4 scheduling, since the P4 is so picky with instruction ordering (athlon couldn't care less, so these tunings matter less there). The few packages where using the extra i686 instructions actually makes sense and doesn't slow things down are already compiled that way: kernel, openssl, glibc. Other packages are .i386.rpm, but do runtime detection to enable or disable support for extra instructions, like MMX/SSE. mplayer comes to mind. In fact, the i686 kernels do runtime athlon optimizations, eliminating the need for a separately compiled athlon kernel. Don't get hung up on the .i386.rpm package naming. The RPM arch has little to do with reality these days, and there is talk about replacing it with cpu flag metadata anyway. Fedora/Red Hat hasn't run on actual i386 processors since NPTL, AFAIK. Hence, there was little perceived need or desire to change all of Fedora's RPM %{arch} tags just to provide a slightly different illusion of compatibility/optimization than we already have.

March 8, 2005