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Job Openings in Maynard MA

by Evans, Robert

Stratus Technologies has several openings in the Linux development group in Maynard MA. One job is already posted on www.stratus.com. The other two should be on the web site within a week. We develop and support a fault tolerant version of Linux on Stratus' fault tolerant Intel architecture hardware. This work involves PCI hot-plug support (surprise removal of devices), bug fixing and hardening of Linux drivers to make them fault tolerant, and additions to Stratus' user mode monitoring and diagnosis capabilities. Robert N. Evans Software Engineer Stratus Technologies Maynard, MA 01754

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by Josh

It seems to not be documented very well, but it is in the wget FAQ: wget -erobots=off http://your.site.here When you get right down to it, it's impossible to prevent someone from automatically downloading your site, unless of course you pull the ethernet cable. ;-) Josh "James P. Gray" <gray_james(a)dwc.edu> writes: > You could create a robots.txt file in the http root directory to tell > automated tools not to look at some or all of your content. wget for > instance does not have a flag to ignore robots.txt (based on the output > of wget --help). Of course this assumes that the client is written to > respect the robots.txt so it won't stop someone who is really serious. > Just google robots.txt and you'll find more info. Be aware that search > engines will also ignore your content. > > Best of luck! > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > >>On Thursday 05 January 2006 00:47, Aramico wrote: >> >> >>>Of course not. People still can see the web pages, but they can not take >>>all the file (copy the files and its subs dirs) simulatantly. >>> >>> >> >>you didnt understand what he was telling you >> >> you cant lock out wget but allow a web browser, there's no way for >> you to know for sure the client is wget ... the program allows you >> to easily change the reported user agent to say 'firefox' >> >> you could use mod_rewrite or something to check the useragent >> header, but that would only stop people who dont know their tools >>-mike >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by James P. Gray

You could create a robots.txt file in the http root directory to tell automated tools not to look at some or all of your content. wget for instance does not have a flag to ignore robots.txt (based on the output of wget --help). Of course this assumes that the client is written to respect the robots.txt so it won't stop someone who is really serious. Just google robots.txt and you'll find more info. Be aware that search engines will also ignore your content. Best of luck! Mike Frysinger wrote: >On Thursday 05 January 2006 00:47, Aramico wrote: > > >>Of course not. People still can see the web pages, but they can not take >>all the file (copy the files and its subs dirs) simulatantly. >> >> > >you didnt understand what he was telling you > >you cant lock out wget but allow a web browser, there's no way for you to know >for sure the client is wget ... the program allows you to easily change the >reported user agent to say 'firefox' > >you could use mod_rewrite or something to check the useragent header, but that >would only stop people who dont know their tools >-mike >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 05 January 2006 00:47, Aramico wrote: > Of course not. People still can see the web pages, but they can not take > all the file (copy the files and its subs dirs) simulatantly. you didnt understand what he was telling you you cant lock out wget but allow a web browser, there's no way for you to know for sure the client is wget ... the program allows you to easily change the reported user agent to say 'firefox' you could use mod_rewrite or something to check the useragent header, but that would only stop people who dont know their tools -mike

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by Aramico

Of course not. People still can see the web pages, but they can not take all the file (copy the files and its subs dirs) simulatantly. regards, aramico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo Van Dinter" <felicity(a)kluge.net> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 11:50:29AM +0700, Aramico wrote: > But I dont want any other user can copy and take all my files using wget, > teleport, etc. > For example, when somebody tried to do "wget -c -r > http://thisisthesites.com " user will not get any other file from its dir > and its subs dir. > Can I do this ? Using linux tools or apache's tools ? So you don't want people to be able to view your web pages? There's nothing different between wget and any other web browser. It's not really clear what you're trying to do. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Do the voices in my head bother you?

Jan. 5, 2006

Web Server Security To Avoid copying

by Aramico

Dear All, I have sites, handled by Apache Web Server on Linux. The system goes ok, no problem. But I dont want any other user can copy and take all my files using wget, teleport, etc. For example, when somebody tried to do "wget -c -r http://thisisthesites.com " user will not get any other file from its dir and its subs dir. Can I do this ? Using linux tools or apache's tools ? thanks all :) Aramico

Jan. 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] vcalendar client program

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 05:39:03PM -0500, Jared Greenwald wrote: > What version of KDE are you using? kdebase-3.5.0-0.1.fc4 kdelibs-3.5.0-0.2.fc4 kdepim-3.5.0-0.2.fc4 >korganizer -v Qt: 3.3.4 KDE: 3.5.0-0.2.fc4 Red Hat KOrganizer: 3.5

Jan. 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] vcalendar client program

by Jared Greenwald

What version of KDE are you using? -Jared On 1/3/06, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I've been using KOrganizer from the kdepim package for a couple years > now to store my appointments and todo lists, but I've recently been > having issues with the timezone not being applied, causing all > appointment times to be shifted into the future. The Configure Time & > Date option does nothing at all, and the Configure KOrganizer dialog > is an Empty Page (it literally says "Empty Page" on it!). > > Since I'd rather not be without my calendar for long, does anyone have > any recommendations for a replacement program that can read the files > made by KOrganizer? I gather that it uses a standard file format > called "vcalendar". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 3, 2006

vcalendar client program

by Chuck Anderson

I've been using KOrganizer from the kdepim package for a couple years now to store my appointments and todo lists, but I've recently been having issues with the timezone not being applied, causing all appointment times to be shifted into the future. The Configure Time & Date option does nothing at all, and the Configure KOrganizer dialog is an Empty Page (it literally says "Empty Page" on it!). Since I'd rather not be without my calendar for long, does anyone have any recommendations for a replacement program that can read the files made by KOrganizer? I gather that it uses a standard file format called "vcalendar".

Jan. 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Karl Hiramoto

I have only burned two dual layer disks so far as they are dam expensive, but they both worked. Usually I'm burning with k3b, or xcdroast. I have a "Mad dog multimedia" on parallel EIDE interface drive. Jared Greenwald wrote: > I haven't bothered to test the DL features on Linux, but I can't > imagine that the numbers would be that much off (or at least as off as > non-DL) in that review I sent... > > On 1/2/06, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > >>Now, who here has tested a dual layer writer + media on linux? >> >>Tim. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On >>Behalf Of Mike Frysinger >>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:49 PM >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] DVD writer... >> >>On Monday 02 January 2006 08:52, Keller, Tim wrote: >> >>>I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. >>> >>>Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? >> >>ive always had good luck with Plextor drives, and atm i have two: >>Plextor DVDR PX-708A >>work great with k3b / dvd+rw-tools >>-mike >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> http://karl.hiramoto.org/ US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto GTalk=karl.hiramoto(a)gmail.com ------ - Men are those creatures with two legs and eight hands. -- Jayne Mansfield

Jan. 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Avoid SATA optical drives like the plague. I had a horrible time with those in the 2.6 kernel. I don't think they are officially supported (yet). Don't make the mistake I made by purchasing one (but I'll sell you mine if you want it! Plextor 712). - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDufxBHl0iXDssISsRAn/DAJ4tMt1j1SrDIptu7oByeYSRv48R2QCfYUrJ j67jIM3bib5XFObTHlufB2w= =UbFO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Jared Greenwald

I haven't bothered to test the DL features on Linux, but I can't imagine that the numbers would be that much off (or at least as off as non-DL) in that review I sent... On 1/2/06, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > Now, who here has tested a dual layer writer + media on linux? > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Frysinger > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:49 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] DVD writer... > > On Monday 02 January 2006 08:52, Keller, Tim wrote: > > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? > > ive always had good luck with Plextor drives, and atm i have two: > Plextor DVDR PX-708A > work great with k3b / dvd+rw-tools > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 2, 2006

RE: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Keller, Tim

Now, who here has tested a dual layer writer + media on linux? Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Frysinger Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:49 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DVD writer... On Monday 02 January 2006 08:52, Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? ive always had good luck with Plextor drives, and atm i have two: Plextor DVDR PX-708A work great with k3b / dvd+rw-tools -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 02 January 2006 08:52, Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? ive always had good luck with Plextor drives, and atm i have two: Plextor DVDR PX-708A work great with k3b / dvd+rw-tools -mike

Jan. 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Jared Greenwald

This review recently appeared on Slashdot. Tom's Hardware is is pretty good resource for hardware reviews... http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/30/the_latest_dvd_writers_true_speeds/i… On 1/2/06, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On 1/2/06, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? > > I have and am happy with this one from Newegg: > DVD BURNER LITE-ON SOHW-1693S > > Paid $38. > > BR > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer...

by Brett Russ

On 1/2/06, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. > > Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? I have and am happy with this one from Newegg: DVD BURNER LITE-ON SOHW-1693S Paid $38. BR

Jan. 2, 2006

DVD writer...

by Keller, Tim

I'm in the market to buy a DVD writer. Anybody have any recommendations for drives to look for or avoid? Thanks, Tim.

Jan. 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Greg, Based on your description, I hope you have a lot of memory in that machine! I'm thinking 1GB. The dual library installation was easy - SuSE does it for you with the RPMs. It was largely invisible to me until I compiled some software from source and noticed what was happening. Howard correctly notes that one occasinally needs to tweak the arguments passed to ./configure to get things to compile, and that this is not always documented in an obvious way. Make sure you have a stable motherboard. I've heard that sometimes they can be flaky and that can cause lockups and such, which are quite annoying. ;-) (In fact, I recently swapped out my flaky MSI MB in favor of a Tyan. Target practice, anyone?). I suppose one could install SuSE 32-bit on one part of the hard drive and SuSE 64-bit on the other, but I suspect that would defeat your goal of low maintenance since you'd end up tweaking both. Later, Andy Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Thanks for your answers, guys. > > The person using this computer is doing genealogical research and writing. > She also uses Gimp to create artwork, uses Skype for communications, and > uses Geneweb for the genealogical database. > > She runs KDE with eight virtual desktops, and they're usually all > occupied. Typically, there will be multiple firefox tabs/windows open, > sometimes on maps that require Flash, multiple text editor (gedit) tabs > open, editing several files at once, moving large blocks of text. Gimp is > frequently open with a work in progress (many edits) and Skype is always > running. And there are usually at least two Konqueror windows open - one > for the Geneweb database, and one for file browsing, and sometimes one on > a website. Occasionally, she'll use OOo to deal with a word doc that > someone sends her. With all these projects open, any lockups or having to > shutdown creates a major pain in the ass. > > The user is still fairly new to linux (about a year) and is way more > interested in using it than in tweaking it. If anything has to be compiled > from source, I'd be the one to do it. And I'd definitely need instructions > on installing dual libraries. Stable and low-maintenance are important > factors. I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to install both, on > different partitions, and if one doesn't work, she can just switch to the > other. > > > > Greg > Andy Stewart wrote: > >>HI Greg et al, >> >>I have a dual Opteron at home running SuSE 9.2 with stock kernel >>upgrades. I am running the 64-bit version of SuSE with the exception of >>Firefox, which is a 32-bit executable. This is so that I can run the >>32-bit version of Macromedia Flash and other plugins. I don't know of >>any 64-bit plugins for Firefox, and 64-bit Firefox, while it exists and >>functions, doesn't like 32-bit plugins, and I wanted the plugins. The >>32-bit plugins work fine with the 32-bit Firefox. I have the Adobe >>plugin (32-bit), Flash, and Java. >> >>I believe that everything else on my machine is 64-bits. SuSE has the >>RPMS for 32-bit as well as 64-bit libraries, both of which I have >>installed (in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64). >> >>I'm not a software developer like Robert (Gutenprint), so my issues >>won't be the same. My use is that of a power user, and for that >>purpose, the 64-bit SuSE suits me well. Greg - what purpose will the >>machine serve? >> >>Let's see - I run KDE 3.4.2 without problems, VMware (with the >>unofficial vmware-any-any patches), Qemu, Thunderbird, Firefox, amaroK, >>xmms, Gimp, seti boinc, cross compile to MIPS, XEmacs, and many others, >>all without problems. As Robert mentions, the problems really arise >>when one starts to deal with proprietary software (try finding a Cisco >>proprietary VPN driver for a dual x86_64 running Linux, for example...). >> >>I think you'll also find yourself compiling from source more often. >>64-bit RPMs aren't as easy to find as 32-bit RPMs. Also, on occasion, >>I've seen a source package have issues compiling on a 64-bit machine, >>but mostly they work fine if you have the necessary prerequisites >>installed. >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDtU7WHl0iXDssISsRAsWpAJ9jcKRgaG2elsl3pr4ffqBJ8ZGXuQCffOzP 9XDbX135T4SMBJ/wDYQ8940= =eOoH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks for your answers, guys. The person using this computer is doing genealogical research and writing. She also uses Gimp to create artwork, uses Skype for communications, and uses Geneweb for the genealogical database. She runs KDE with eight virtual desktops, and they're usually all occupied. Typically, there will be multiple firefox tabs/windows open, sometimes on maps that require Flash, multiple text editor (gedit) tabs open, editing several files at once, moving large blocks of text. Gimp is frequently open with a work in progress (many edits) and Skype is always running. And there are usually at least two Konqueror windows open - one for the Geneweb database, and one for file browsing, and sometimes one on a website. Occasionally, she'll use OOo to deal with a word doc that someone sends her. With all these projects open, any lockups or having to shutdown creates a major pain in the ass. The user is still fairly new to linux (about a year) and is way more interested in using it than in tweaking it. If anything has to be compiled from source, I'd be the one to do it. And I'd definitely need instructions on installing dual libraries. Stable and low-maintenance are important factors. I'm thinking it might not be a bad idea to install both, on different partitions, and if one doesn't work, she can just switch to the other. Greg Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Greg et al, > > I have a dual Opteron at home running SuSE 9.2 with stock kernel > upgrades. I am running the 64-bit version of SuSE with the exception of > Firefox, which is a 32-bit executable. This is so that I can run the > 32-bit version of Macromedia Flash and other plugins. I don't know of > any 64-bit plugins for Firefox, and 64-bit Firefox, while it exists and > functions, doesn't like 32-bit plugins, and I wanted the plugins. The > 32-bit plugins work fine with the 32-bit Firefox. I have the Adobe > plugin (32-bit), Flash, and Java. > > I believe that everything else on my machine is 64-bits. SuSE has the > RPMS for 32-bit as well as 64-bit libraries, both of which I have > installed (in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64). > > I'm not a software developer like Robert (Gutenprint), so my issues > won't be the same. My use is that of a power user, and for that > purpose, the 64-bit SuSE suits me well. Greg - what purpose will the > machine serve? > > Let's see - I run KDE 3.4.2 without problems, VMware (with the > unofficial vmware-any-any patches), Qemu, Thunderbird, Firefox, amaroK, > xmms, Gimp, seti boinc, cross compile to MIPS, XEmacs, and many others, > all without problems. As Robert mentions, the problems really arise > when one starts to deal with proprietary software (try finding a Cisco > proprietary VPN driver for a dual x86_64 running Linux, for example...). > > I think you'll also find yourself compiling from source more often. > 64-bit RPMs aren't as easy to find as 32-bit RPMs. Also, on occasion, > I've seen a source package have issues compiling on a 64-bit machine, > but mostly they work fine if you have the necessary prerequisites > installed. > > Later, > > Andy > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by howard＠howardwhite.net

With specific respect to compiling, some apps I regularly compile -- especially Scribus -- require that in the ./configure stage you include --enable-libsuffix=64. In this particular case, it's because the Qt libraries are sensitive to the bit-ness. The BUILDING file should indicate such requirements. HW

Dec. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 30 December 2005 01:54, Andy Stewart wrote: > I don't know of > any 64-bit plugins for Firefox, and 64-bit Firefox, while it exists and > functions, doesn't like 32-bit plugins, and I wanted the plugins. The > 32-bit plugins work fine with the 32-bit Firefox. I have the Adobe > plugin (32-bit), Flash, and Java. macromedia posted a status update for amd64/linux support: http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/12/flash-player-8-for-linux-update.html -mike

Dec. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Greg et al, I have a dual Opteron at home running SuSE 9.2 with stock kernel upgrades. I am running the 64-bit version of SuSE with the exception of Firefox, which is a 32-bit executable. This is so that I can run the 32-bit version of Macromedia Flash and other plugins. I don't know of any 64-bit plugins for Firefox, and 64-bit Firefox, while it exists and functions, doesn't like 32-bit plugins, and I wanted the plugins. The 32-bit plugins work fine with the 32-bit Firefox. I have the Adobe plugin (32-bit), Flash, and Java. I believe that everything else on my machine is 64-bits. SuSE has the RPMS for 32-bit as well as 64-bit libraries, both of which I have installed (in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64). I'm not a software developer like Robert (Gutenprint), so my issues won't be the same. My use is that of a power user, and for that purpose, the 64-bit SuSE suits me well. Greg - what purpose will the machine serve? Let's see - I run KDE 3.4.2 without problems, VMware (with the unofficial vmware-any-any patches), Qemu, Thunderbird, Firefox, amaroK, xmms, Gimp, seti boinc, cross compile to MIPS, XEmacs, and many others, all without problems. As Robert mentions, the problems really arise when one starts to deal with proprietary software (try finding a Cisco proprietary VPN driver for a dual x86_64 running Linux, for example...). I think you'll also find yourself compiling from source more often. 64-bit RPMs aren't as easy to find as 32-bit RPMs. Also, on occasion, I've seen a source package have issues compiling on a 64-bit machine, but mostly they work fine if you have the necessary prerequisites installed. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDtNmYHl0iXDssISsRAhoKAJ9s5V6ZWw8d+bgAREWtp4LXC/DsfACghX/p cMTz/M08kxSjXMxalx8nYzI= =4XAn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 21:13:02 -0500 From: Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> I just put together a new machine for a friend. Sempron 3100 on ASUS K8V-MX. It was a rush job, because the computer she was using died. (Same one I wrote about recently that was having lockup problems - pretty sure now that it was the power supply. The last time she tried to turn it on, a big spark came out the back, and that was the end of it. Memory and vid card still test good.) So now that she has a shiny new 64-bit system, I'm wondering whether to go with 64-bit OS or stick to 32. I haven't had much time to research it, but I understand that there are some problems with Macromedia Flash and Java, which she needs. Some of the reading I've done suggests that you can install the 32-bit version of Firefox with the plugins to get around this. Anyone know if it's really as easy as that? Are there any problems with running 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS? Any particular bugginess with 64 that I should know about in advance? She runs KDE desktop and uses Gimp a lot. I hate to say it, but I installed 32-bit SUSE on my Athlon 64 for the following reasons: 1) It was always a pain in the butt syncing up software between my laptop (32-bit) and the 64-bit software. 2) Valgrind didn't work at the time (9.1 timeframe) on 64-bit code, which made it all but useless. Yes, it's possible to forcibly compile things in 32-bit mode, but it was a real pain when most of the development libraries were 64-bit only. 3) Yes, Java, Flash, etc. didn't work. That was generally a fairly minor nuisance, and there are no guarantees with 32-bit software. Right now the Adobe PDF plugin doesn't work on 32-bit SUSE 10.0 because it's compiled with an older version of g++ than what SUSE uses. The usual grief with proprietary software. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Dec. 30, 2005

suse-9.3 ...32 or 64?

by Gregory Avedissian

I just put together a new machine for a friend. Sempron 3100 on ASUS K8V-MX. It was a rush job, because the computer she was using died. (Same one I wrote about recently that was having lockup problems - pretty sure now that it was the power supply. The last time she tried to turn it on, a big spark came out the back, and that was the end of it. Memory and vid card still test good.) So now that she has a shiny new 64-bit system, I'm wondering whether to go with 64-bit OS or stick to 32. I haven't had much time to research it, but I understand that there are some problems with Macromedia Flash and Java, which she needs. Some of the reading I've done suggests that you can install the 32-bit version of Firefox with the plugins to get around this. Anyone know if it's really as easy as that? Are there any problems with running 32-bit software on a 64-bit OS? Any particular bugginess with 64 that I should know about in advance? She runs KDE desktop and uses Gimp a lot. Oh, one other glitch I ran into - I tried to do the network install, but the boot cd doesn't have the kernel modules for the LAN chip. I was instructed to go to the install cd and make a "modules 3" floppy. There is no modules 3 image on the cd or on the ftp site, but there are images for "bootdisk1, bootdisk2, etc." Do I have to make the whole set and install from floppy, or is there a way to find out which disk has the right module and just use that with the cd? Or could I just put an older card in it for the install and then change the network card setup afterward? I'm thinking the latter would be easier than finding five or six blank floppy disks to use. Thanks, Greg

Dec. 30, 2005