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Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Brian J. Conway

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:40:19 -0400 Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:26:17 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > I've noticed many people at work with their laptops, and they seem > to have an LCD which has wide screen dimensions. This might be > fine for viewing DVDs, but having not used one, I'm not sure how > I'd feel using one for daily work. Its not like you can rotate the > LCD on a laptop to "landscape mode" like you can with some other > LCD monitors (which seems like a nice feature!). > > I'm not a fan of widescreens myself. For things like text editing > it's useless, and it's none too helpful for web browsing either. How so? I've been using my girlfriend's new light-n-mobile-style laptop off and on, with a widescreen LCD with a native resolution of 1280x800. I haven't found it to be any different than my 1280x1024 or higher desktops' LCDs other than having slightly shorter web browser windows. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BBQ

by Jamie Guinan

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Andrew Robert wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Everyone, > > I was walking my dog this morning and I noticed the chalk advertisement > for the WLUG bbq. > > I've never had an opportunity to attend a meeting but would like to > finally meet some in the group. > > Can anyone attend or should I wait to meet people at the next meeting? Hi Andy, This is Jamie, that's my driveway. :) The BBQ was this past Thursday, sorry you missed it. I should probably hose off the chalk, although maybe its a good thing I left it since you found it! Do come to the next meeting, although it sounds like we have a mini-lug right here in the neighborhood. -Jamie p.s. What kind of dog do you have? I've probably seen you walk by. > Thanks, > Andy

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BBQ

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Robert wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was walking my dog this morning and I noticed the chalk advertisement > for the WLUG bbq. LOL! That's awesome! > > I've never had an opportunity to attend a meeting but would like to > finally meet some in the group. > > Can anyone attend or should I wait to meet people at the next meeting? Andy - anybody can attend a WLUG meeting. We meet monthly at WPI in Worcester. Our meeting schedule is posted at http://www.wlug.org. We generally get 12-25 people attending a meeting. If you can't wait and want to meet somebody from WLUG sooner, knock on the door of the house with the chalk in the driveway! :-) See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3ePHHl0iXDssISsRAiroAJ9GyivuaStknduN90sTd8bYqmYFSwCeMdPh wQwOwnHsJWCy1EpNzjLoBcY= =Zj66 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:26:17 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> I've noticed many people at work with their laptops, and they seem to have an LCD which has wide screen dimensions. This might be fine for viewing DVDs, but having not used one, I'm not sure how I'd feel using one for daily work. Its not like you can rotate the LCD on a laptop to "landscape mode" like you can with some other LCD monitors (which seems like a nice feature!). I'm not a fan of widescreens myself. For things like text editing it's useless, and it's none too helpful for web browsing either.

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Scott Venier

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Scott Venier wrote: > >> > It is an A20m. My wife got it a number of years ago so she could be > away from the office more easily... When this problem first began, I > thought it was windows so I blew everything away and reinstalled (twice > over a 6 month period). Didn't make a difference. I have heard from > others that this is known to happen, from time to time, with some thinkpad > models. I found it interesting to note a review of one of the new IBM > laptops as stating that "it runs hot". > I've had both a T23 and a T42 and the only time I had a heat problem was when the fan on the T23 died. And generally, the fan only runs when under heavy cpu load. Scott

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Anyone have thoughts on acer? "Linux on Laptops" lists just about every > acer notebook... > A consultant friend of mine sells these "on the side" and thought I > might be interested in one > of these as they are around $1k: > > Acer Aspire AS5672WLMi > Acer Travelmate TM4672WLMi > Acer Travelmate TM4222WLMi > > All are Intel Centrino Duo Mobile Technology, > All have 1gig ddr-2 RAM > All have 15.4 WXGA, > All have DVD-RW(+/-) dUAL lAYER, > All have at least 100gig hard drive (Aspire has SATA drive 120 gig) > All have XP Pro > The Aspire has 128meg ATI X1400 video card the others have the built in > Intel Accel 950 chip > > Not bad for the money... 1280 x 800 resolution strikes me as > "different" though - perhaps for DVD wide screen? > > Steve I've noticed many people at work with their laptops, and they seem to have an LCD which has wide screen dimensions. This might be fine for viewing DVDs, but having not used one, I'm not sure how I'd feel using one for daily work. Its not like you can rotate the LCD on a laptop to "landscape mode" like you can with some other LCD monitors (which seems like a nice feature!). Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3db5Hl0iXDssISsRAjPtAJ9MaAFhuBzFHBYrQt/k6b9/JutokACfSX/j h+iuTo9A7SENkhqHiAZ0g8U= =Zp8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Scott Venier wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > >> And they run hot. So hot, in fact, that the one I have now will >> periodically freeze (melt?) and I have to cycle the power. To get any >> useful time out of it, I have to create an air space beneath the laptop... >> I doubt I would purchase another. >> > Wow. I've heard of them running warm, but never that hot... which model > do you have? > > Scott It is an A20m. My wife got it a number of years ago so she could be away from the office more easily... When this problem first began, I thought it was windows so I blew everything away and reinstalled (twice over a 6 month period). Didn't make a difference. I have heard from others that this is known to happen, from time to time, with some thinkpad models. I found it interesting to note a review of one of the new IBM laptops as stating that "it runs hot". Steve

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Scott Venier

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >> > And they run hot. So hot, in fact, that the one I have now will > periodically freeze (melt?) and I have to cycle the power. To get any > useful time out of it, I have to create an air space beneath the laptop... > I doubt I would purchase another. > Wow. I've heard of them running warm, but never that hot... which model do you have? Scott

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BBQ

by Andrew Robert

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I was walking my dog this morning and I noticed the chalk advertisement for the WLUG bbq. I've never had an opportunity to attend a meeting but would like to finally meet some in the group. Can anyone attend or should I wait to meet people at the next meeting? Thanks, Andy -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: GnuPT 2.7.2 iD8DBQFE3c8tDvn/4H0LjDwRAn4+AJ9EXstKBW0iN4bHXqDEz8NeBBUhugCfdvtO 3GmSWOwEMJJ31RfkLP7Dzck= =8YQZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Anyone have thoughts on acer? "Linux on Laptops" lists just about every acer notebook... A consultant friend of mine sells these "on the side" and thought I might be interested in one of these as they are around $1k: Acer Aspire AS5672WLMi Acer Travelmate TM4672WLMi Acer Travelmate TM4222WLMi All are Intel Centrino Duo Mobile Technology, All have 1gig ddr-2 RAM All have 15.4 WXGA, All have DVD-RW(+/-) dUAL lAYER, All have at least 100gig hard drive (Aspire has SATA drive 120 gig) All have XP Pro The Aspire has 128meg ATI X1400 video card the others have the built in Intel Accel 950 chip Not bad for the money... 1280 x 800 resolution strikes me as "different" though - perhaps for DVD wide screen? Steve

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Scott Venier wrote: > >> I've been looking at picking up a cheap, less then current model thinkpad >> from TigerDirect. The prices are pretty good, and the Linux support for >> ThinkPad hardware is outstanding. Anything that's not a "mobile" P4 will >> have pretty good battery life... just find the most hardware that fits in >> your price range. >> > > Yes, but ThinkPad processors come from the wrong company! :-) > And they run hot. So hot, in fact, that the one I have now will periodically freeze (melt?) and I have to cycle the power. To get any useful time out of it, I have to create an air space beneath the laptop... I doubt I would purchase another. Steve

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Scott Venier wrote: > > I've been looking at picking up a cheap, less then current model thinkpad > from TigerDirect. The prices are pretty good, and the Linux support for > ThinkPad hardware is outstanding. Anything that's not a "mobile" P4 will > have pretty good battery life... just find the most hardware that fits in > your price range. Yes, but ThinkPad processors come from the wrong company! :-) Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE3S8wHl0iXDssISsRAi23AJ0Tdr43rTpiHbdyMuBx9P1iKzGVUgCdG52Z HwOPAVksZ8/g3ZUcxOiezKQ= =HfAT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard Klein" <rich(a)richardklein.org> Lenovo seems like a natural choice because they sell laptops with Linux pre-installed. For those looking at used laptops (Stephen says he's buying new), I installed Ubuntu on my Dell Inspiron 8200 recently. It was painless, and everything seems to work, including the PCMCIA 802.11G card. I've had a pair of Dells (Inspiron 8000 and what I guess is basically a C840, equivalent to the Inspiron 8200). Both work very nicely under Linux without any major problems. I like the 1600x1200 screen. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Aug. 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Jared Greenwald

I've had some problems in the past with wifi hardware. I had one laptop (Compaq Evo N600c) where the wifi driver worked, but is not maintained and only available from svn (orinoco_usb). My newest laptop that I got last week (Dell D620) is too new for the driver to have been well tested (ipw3945) and I'm only getting about 20K/sec throughput (vs my normal 180K/sec). Its a good laptop other than this one issue - and since the driver is maintained by Intel directly I imagine that it won't be too long before this is fixed. Needless to say, one thing I would recommend is finding a laptop with wireless hardware that has a driver that's well tested and well supported. You might be better off just buying from a place that pre-installs Linux. http://www.pcsforeveryone.com has a Thinkmate Z33A that they will install Fedora Core 5 or Suse 10 on for no extra charge. Also http://linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html has some custom built Linux notebooks and offer a variety of distro choices. -Jared On 8/11/06, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > I forgot to bring this up at the cookout last night... > > I have decided to purchase a new laptop (a first for me - always used > older equipment) and was wondering if anyone had recommendations for a > model that plays well with Linux. I'm not interested in a laptop with > the latest whiz-bang features, just the basics of wireless networking, > ability to play/burn CDs/DVDs, enough horsepower & disk to run > forecasting models, GIS, database, etc., and a battery that will last > for several hours. (My guess is any laptop these days would be > sufficient.) I want to avoid having to add drivers or other support for > some whiz-bang hardware when something "vanilla" would work just as well > for me, and I would prefer a distro that supports the various standard > laptop features (e.g., power management) and typical peripherals like > DVDs/movies, Burning CDs, etc., "out of the box". Again, this is > probably a non-issue, but there could be a laptop using hardware known > to be problematic (remember "winmodems"?)... > > I use several apps that only run on windows (probably forever), so > another first for me will be dual-boot. I have done this before on > others' systems, but I mention this just in case there is a awareness of > issues with certain laptop models. > > Anyway, thanks in advance for your help! > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Richard Klein

<quote who="Stephen C. Daukas"> > I forgot to bring this up at the cookout last night... > > I have decided to purchase a new laptop (a first for me - always used > older equipment) and was wondering if anyone had recommendations for a > model that plays well with Linux. I'm not interested in a laptop with > the latest whiz-bang features, just the basics of wireless networking, > ability to play/burn CDs/DVDs, enough horsepower & disk to run > forecasting models, GIS, database, etc., and a battery that will last > for several hours. (My guess is any laptop these days would be > sufficient.) I want to avoid having to add drivers or other support for > some whiz-bang hardware when something "vanilla" would work just as well > for me, and I would prefer a distro that supports the various standard > laptop features (e.g., power management) and typical peripherals like > DVDs/movies, Burning CDs, etc., "out of the box". Again, this is > probably a non-issue, but there could be a laptop using hardware known > to be problematic (remember "winmodems"?)... > > I use several apps that only run on windows (probably forever), so > another first for me will be dual-boot. I have done this before on > others' systems, but I mention this just in case there is a awareness of > issues with certain laptop models. Lenovo seems like a natural choice because they sell laptops with Linux pre-installed. For those looking at used laptops (Stephen says he's buying new), I installed Ubuntu on my Dell Inspiron 8200 recently. It was painless, and everything seems to work, including the PCMCIA 802.11G card. -- Rich

Aug. 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Scott Venier

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I forgot to bring this up at the cookout last night... > > > I have decided to purchase a new laptop (a first for me - always used > older equipment) and was wondering if anyone had recommendations for a > model that plays well with Linux. I'm not interested in a laptop with the > latest whiz-bang features, just the basics of wireless networking, ability > to play/burn CDs/DVDs, enough horsepower & disk to run forecasting models, > GIS, database, etc., and a battery that will last > for several hours. (My guess is any laptop these days would be > sufficient.) I want to avoid having to add drivers or other support for > some whiz-bang hardware when something "vanilla" would work just as well > for me, and I would prefer a distro that supports the various standard > laptop features (e.g., power management) and typical peripherals like > DVDs/movies, Burning CDs, etc., "out of the box". Again, this is > probably a non-issue, but there could be a laptop using hardware known to > be problematic (remember "winmodems"?)... > I've been looking at picking up a cheap, less then current model thinkpad from TigerDirect. The prices are pretty good, and the Linux support for ThinkPad hardware is outstanding. Anything that's not a "mobile" P4 will have pretty good battery life... just find the most hardware that fits in your price range. Scott

Aug. 11, 2006

Laptop recommendations anyone?

by Stephen C. Daukas

I forgot to bring this up at the cookout last night... I have decided to purchase a new laptop (a first for me - always used older equipment) and was wondering if anyone had recommendations for a model that plays well with Linux. I'm not interested in a laptop with the latest whiz-bang features, just the basics of wireless networking, ability to play/burn CDs/DVDs, enough horsepower & disk to run forecasting models, GIS, database, etc., and a battery that will last for several hours. (My guess is any laptop these days would be sufficient.) I want to avoid having to add drivers or other support for some whiz-bang hardware when something "vanilla" would work just as well for me, and I would prefer a distro that supports the various standard laptop features (e.g., power management) and typical peripherals like DVDs/movies, Burning CDs, etc., "out of the box". Again, this is probably a non-issue, but there could be a laptop using hardware known to be problematic (remember "winmodems"?)... I use several apps that only run on windows (probably forever), so another first for me will be dual-boot. I have done this before on others' systems, but I mention this just in case there is a awareness of issues with certain laptop models. Anyway, thanks in advance for your help! Steve

Aug. 11, 2006

Cookout...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Great fun! Many thanks to our hosts, Jamie and especially Karen, for all the great food! Looking forward to the pictures! ;-) Steve

Aug. 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by John Stoffel

Tim> I suppose this poses the next question to WLUG. What do people Tim> recommend as tuning parameters and/or fs types for creating Tim> filesystems that have the potential to store massive ammounts of Tim> relatively small files? Just tune the filesystem so that it's got lots and lots of inodes: mke2fs -T news -o dir_index,sparse_super -j /dev/... Tim> Would I have been better suited to have this thing formatted with Tim> ReiserFS? Not in my book. Reiserfs3 was stuffed into the kernel and then pretty much abandonded for the cool/gee-whiz/fast/extsensible reiserfs4 that is now being pushed at the kernel. I don't trust either of them with my data at this point. I like and trust and understand ext3. I'd probably go with JFS (IBMs thing) first, but even then I'm leary... John

Aug. 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 02:11:15PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > What do people recommend as tuning parameters and/or fs types for creating > filesystems that have the potential to store massive ammounts of relatively > small files? > > Would I have been better suited to have this thing formatted with ReiserFS? I prefer XFS in general, which in this case has no set inode number limitation. I've been burned numerous times by ReiserFS in the past, whereas I haven't had any major XFS issues that I can recall. fwiw. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Veni, Vidi, Vice" - I came, I saw, I partied.

Aug. 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by Tim Keller

I suppose this poses the next question to WLUG. What do people recommend as tuning parameters and/or fs types for creating filesystems that have the potential to store massive ammounts of relatively small files? Would I have been better suited to have this thing formatted with ReiserFS? Thanks, Tim. On 8/10/06, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ding! Theo wins. > > df -i reveals that the filesystem is out of inodes. Seriously this is the > first time I've ever had this problem. > > Well... time to do some cleaning! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On 8/10/06, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:48:20AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > a 'df -h' yeilds the following: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda1 233G 115G 107G 52% /mnt/ext-usb > > > > The weird problem that I'm seeing is that I can't write data to it > anymore. > > > > [root@fandango ext-usb]# touch test > > touch: cannot touch `test': No space left on device > > The first thing I'd think of is are you out of inodes? df -i > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > "You don't want me to pick out your brain surgeon. I don't want your brain > surgeon picking out my router :)" - LuftHans(a)asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by Tim Keller

Ding! Theo wins. df -i reveals that the filesystem is out of inodes. Seriously this is the first time I've ever had this problem. Well... time to do some cleaning! Thanks, Tim. On 8/10/06, Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:48:20AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > a 'df -h' yeilds the following: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sda1 233G 115G 107G 52% /mnt/ext-usb > > > > The weird problem that I'm seeing is that I can't write data to it > anymore. > > > > [root@fandango ext-usb]# touch test > > touch: cannot touch `test': No space left on device > > The first thing I'd think of is are you out of inodes? df -i > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > "You don't want me to pick out your brain surgeon. I don't want your brain > surgeon picking out my router :)" - LuftHans(a)asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:48:20AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > a 'df -h' yeilds the following: > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda1 233G 115G 107G 52% /mnt/ext-usb > > The weird problem that I'm seeing is that I can't write data to it anymore. > > [root@fandango ext-usb]# touch test > touch: cannot touch `test': No space left on device The first thing I'd think of is are you out of inodes? df -i -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "You don't want me to pick out your brain surgeon. I don't want your brain surgeon picking out my router :)" - LuftHans(a)asu.edu

Aug. 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Weird fs problem...

by John Stoffel

Tim> I've got a really weird filesystem problem... Tim> I've got a 250GB external USB disk device. It's formatted at ext3. Tim> a 'df -h' yeilds the following: Tim> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Tim> /dev/sda1 233G 115G 107G 52% /mnt/ext-usb Tim> The weird problem that I'm seeing is that I can't write data to Tim> it anymore. Tim> i.e. Tim> [root@fandango ext-usb]# pwd Tim> /mnt/ext-usb Tim> [root@fandango ext-usb]# touch test Tim> touch: cannot touch `test': No space left on device Tim> [root@fandango ext-usb]# What does 'df -i' yield? It sounds like you're out of inodes on there. Do you have tons and tons of small files on there? John

Aug. 10, 2006

Weird fs problem...

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I've got a really weird filesystem problem... I've got a 250GB external USB disk device. It's formatted at ext3. a 'df -h' yeilds the following: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 233G 115G 107G 52% /mnt/ext-usb The weird problem that I'm seeing is that I can't write data to it anymore. i.e. [root@fandango ext-usb]# pwd /mnt/ext-usb [root@fandango ext-usb]# touch test touch: cannot touch `test': No space left on device [root@fandango ext-usb]# And yes, before you ask, I've unmounted the volume and I'm currently running a fsck on it. Though it's 250GB so... it'll be a while... Tim. -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2006