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Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brett Russ > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:37 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning > > Oh, in that case, simply explain to her that you couldn't > reply to her because your IMAP MUA wasn't properly setup to > tunnel SMTP traffic via SSH and all your attempts were just > ending up in /dev/null! Hiding information is not a healthy > start to a new relationship you know... > > ;-) Excellent advice! She'll see that I need someone to look after me and she'll take pity on me. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: John Stoffel > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:27 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning > > Umm... if you can get into your home mail server via SSH, why > can't you send email from there using plain old 'mail' command? > > Or do you have something similar to what I have, which is my > own domain, which gets my email and then dumps it into my > ISP's email system for pulling down? The problem with setting up a reliable server that you never have to mess with is you forget how you set it up. :) I set up a virtual mail domain, and the mail users of that domain don't have shell accounts, so I can't log in as one of those users at the SSH (shell) prompt. I thought that would be more secure, because I might want to give email accounts to friends who would have no need for a shell account. > In that case, using my ISP's outgoing email servers was > problematic, because they didn't like me using my > @stoffel.org domain email address on outgoing email. Or at > least they didn't like it much, and people further downstream > started dropping/bouncing my emails thinking I was a spammer. Yeah, I thought about forging the from: header for certain emails, but I figured my employer's ISP would block that (it *should* block that, anyway). Plus, knowing me, I'd forget to change it back after I sent the email, and then I'd be sending out business emails with my personal email in the from: header. I don't think my company would appreciate that. > So now I have postfix at home setup to use SMTPS to send all > outgoing email via my domain's ISP's mail server, encrypted > and all is good again. > > > But basically, can you explain your setup in more detail > please? It's not clear where the bottleneck really is. I'm running Courier-IMAP and...I forget what else...at home. I added an account to Outlook at work to check my mail. It can receive mail fine, but sent messages just sit in the "outbox" forever. I tried telnetting into my server: port 143 gets me the IMAP prompts like you'd expect, but port 25 gets nothing, so I figure my employer is blocking port 25. That's not surprising. My mailserver runs richardklein.org as a virtual domain, and users @richardklein.org don't have shell accounts. If I SSH into my shell account it reports no mail because all my mail gets sent to the @richardklein.org user(s). > Richard> What are my options? Can I use putty to tunnel SMTP through > Richard> port 22 SSH? > > Not ideal in my mind, since you're trying to make work act > like your home system. Which as we get more and more mobile > in our professional lives, isn't a good idea in my mind any more. > > Heck, I'm reading this from work, but I'm ssh'd into my home > system and all the processing and such is happening within a > 'screen' session using Emacs and the mail reader 'vm'. All > text based, and quick and easy to write/read/edit emails. I like GUIs for reading email, but the real problem is that mail users don't have shell accounts on my server. > Richard> One of these days I'll set up webmail and this will > be a moot > Richard> point, but I'm hoping for a quicker, more immediate solution. > > Blech. Why is the web the answer to all questions now? > *grin* And of course you would make sure to only allow HTTPS > connections to your squirrelmail web mail server running on > your home machine, right? I greatly prefer IMAP to webmail, but yeah, if I ever get around to installing squirrelmail, it'll only accept HTTPS connections. -- Rich

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] programming help needed

by Keith Wright

> From: Mark Richards <mark.richards(a)massmicro.com> > > With apologies to the list if this is inappropriate in which case please > send me to a better forum.. I have no problem with Worcester Linux job leads. Don't start advertising your product here. > ... need a methodical person who documents As an admirer of Knuth and aspiring literate programmer, I'm glad to know somebody cares. I had a friend who once told me his new boss said to him "Don't waste time explaining what it does. If I need to know, I'll look at the code." What can you do but buy another round and shake your head at the sorry state of things? > and who can teach (without pain). The second time I saw this, curiosity got me. I have to ask whether this refers to the pain of the students or the pain of the teacher? Some subjects are painful to teach, some students are painful to teach. On the other hand, how are the lazy brats going to learn if you don't hit them with a ruler? -- Keith

March 19, 2007

Problems with a Sparc ULTRA1

by ken jones

I just acquired by second Sparc ULTRA1 Creator. It does not boot. After much struggle complaining about not finding sda4, it concludes: VSF: can not open root device "sda4" or 08:04 Please append a correct "root=" boot device Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 08:04 Press L1-a to return to the boot prom I've tried booting from my aurora 1.0 iso disk set. No luck. I've tried booting from my just out of the envelope GENTOO disk. No luck. Before it gives up it seems to have found the two scsi drives. It says: Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id0, lun Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id1, lun It has found the following partitions partitions if that is what these are. /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4 and /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p3 I stopped the boot: with a "stop a". ok test scsi > CE DMA fill from address ffee2000 for 80 bytes succeeded Dma register test -- succeeded Esp register test -- succeeded Dma read test -- succeeded Dma write test -- succeeded Any ideas? Ken Jones

March 19, 2007

programming help needed

by Mark Richards

With apologies to the list if this is inappropriate in which case please send me to a better forum.. Immediately seeking a person to help me with a large and complex php/MySql/javascript/html project. The work will initially involve fixing up maintenance front ends (and getting a few to work) and will move quickly into presentation-layer coding that clients will see. For our client side code we use the Smarty templating system which provides for a very clean connection between the html and the data. The maintenance front ends are hacked out with php as single-document scripts (one script presents a record and the same one edits and saves). Good to know http post. Most of our systems are working and the partially-documented code will probably be an easy read once I provide the overview and tutorial. Tasks will be fairly loosely spec'd in the beginning so some creativity is desired and encouraged. If you're really good (I hope so) tell me how to do it better. However there may be deferral of some improvements as we push to get it fully working. Very close communications as to how the task will be achieved will be essential to avoid duplication of efforts and synergy. Documenting code would be a plus. Skill levels need to be intermediate to expert in php. Knowing how to structure a query is good. Figuring out how to accomplish something on the client side in Javascript (we try not to use much) and achieving a consistent look with the smarty/html is also essential. If you don't know smarty, don't worry. It's really easy to work with and well documented. Are you artsy? I know what looks good but have no idea how to get there. Artsy is welcome and needed, but not a show-stopper. We have at least a solid part time need now. Work for the first few days with me for familiarity, then independently. SSH certificate for access. One server for testing and another going online shortly for production. Non disclosure and data security agreement required. We can supply workstation here but nice if you can work with your own over a good connection. As in my posting for a linux sysadmin, we need a methodical person who documents and who can teach (without pain). I never ask the same stupid question more than once (sadly, the second time I may, however, re-phrase it). I might, after searching through other resources, send an email: "how the heck can I do [a certain task] in html". You might shrug and utter an epitaph. We are in the solar energy field. No government work. All green and good. Future? I haven't the foggiest idea. But ours is a good place to learn about solar energy and technology applications. mark richards SolarWave mark-dot-richards-at-massmicro-dot-com

March 19, 2007

sysadmin needed

by Mark Richards

With apologies to the list if this is inappropriate in which case please send me to a better forum.. We are immediately seeking a person to do some ad-hoc (and a few hours per month? of routine) server maintenance for us with an initial push requiring more time for a new server setup and correction of problems on existing box. We have one dedicated in service and another coming on line next week. We're a small 2-person company and are very busy trying to bring a product to market with no/little time to devote to server maintenance. List of needed skills and software we are running (open to various levels of ability in each; to discuss): - linux, of course - CentOS (almost everything we have is repository based) - yum, cron, the basics - isp firewall but also iptables used on dedicated boxes - imap mail on current server with basic web services - apache, php, mysql - ssl, amavisd, spamassassin, dovecot, clamd. - large mysql database on new server with web services (no mail) Tasks: - routine check of both servers * security issues (we have snort installed and have plugins) * performance issues * specialized backups (other than daily by host) * review logs; identify issues; resolve - software install/setup * anything new or a manual update - existing issues * infrequent timeouts * some log entries for mail that need addressing * clamd improperly installed; re-do using yum and integrate back into amavisd * spam detection a bit too generous; better techniques? - emergencies * security issues * work with host if hardware or other failure to help resolve (host is in Missouri, so phone contact of course) We are expecting more hours initially for setup of new server and cleanup of existing issues, then perhaps a weekly checkup as you may recommend to us. SSH certificate for root. Non disclosure and data security agreement required. A methodical person who documents and who can teach (without pain) would be ideal. I never ask the same stupid question more than once (sadly, the second time I may, however, re-phrase it). mark richards SolarWave mark-dot-richards-at-massmicro-dot-com

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] posting rules request

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 19 March 2007, Mark Richards wrote: > Not certain what posting rules are here and a newcomer living and > working in Littleton... > > Needing some technical help. OK to cast our net here for sysadmin and > also php/MySql/Javascript programming or elsewhere? i dont think there's any problem with people posting job offers for local linux-ish positions here ... -mike

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning

by John Stoffel

Richard> It's Monday morning, I'm tired, and I've got a headache, so Richard> I'm not sure I can even explain the problem right now, let Richard> alone solve it. Richard> Work seems to block port 25 (SMTP), but not 993 (IMAP-S) or Richard> 22 (SSH), so I can SSH into my (home) mail server, or read my Richard> mail via IMAP, but I can't send anything. My (home) email Richard> account doesn't have a shell account, so I can't log-in via Richard> SSH and send email in pine or something (and that would be a Richard> PITA, anyway). Umm... if you can get into your home mail server via SSH, why can't you send email from there using plain old 'mail' command? Or do you have something similar to what I have, which is my own domain, which gets my email and then dumps it into my ISP's email system for pulling down? In that case, using my ISP's outgoing email servers was problematic, because they didn't like me using my @stoffel.org domain email address on outgoing email. Or at least they didn't like it much, and people further downstream started dropping/bouncing my emails thinking I was a spammer. So now I have postfix at home setup to use SMTPS to send all outgoing email via my domain's ISP's mail server, encrypted and all is good again. But basically, can you explain your setup in more detail please? It's not clear where the bottleneck really is. Richard> What are my options? Can I use putty to tunnel SMTP through Richard> port 22 SSH? Not ideal in my mind, since you're trying to make work act like your home system. Which as we get more and more mobile in our professional lives, isn't a good idea in my mind any more. Heck, I'm reading this from work, but I'm ssh'd into my home system and all the processing and such is happening within a 'screen' session using Emacs and the mail reader 'vm'. All text based, and quick and easy to write/read/edit emails. Richard> One of these days I'll set up webmail and this will be a moot Richard> point, but I'm hoping for a quicker, more immediate solution. Blech. Why is the web the answer to all questions now? *grin* And of course you would make sure to only allow HTTPS connections to your squirrelmail web mail server running on your home machine, right? Good luck! John

March 19, 2007

posting rules request

by Mark Richards

Not certain what posting rules are here and a newcomer living and working in Littleton... Needing some technical help. OK to cast our net here for sysadmin and also php/MySql/Javascript programming or elsewhere? /m

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning

by Brett Russ

On 3/19/07, Klein, Richard <Richard.Klein(a)cytyc.com> wrote: > going through their servers, and (pardon me if this is too much > information) I want to reply to a girl's email via match.com, but > match.com expects my emails to come from match(a)richardklein.org, and I > think my emails end up in /dev/null if they come from some other > address. Obviously, I'd prefer to reply to her from home, but I haven't > been home much to even sit down at the computer lately. Oh, in that case, simply explain to her that you couldn't reply to her because your IMAP MUA wasn't properly setup to tunnel SMTP traffic via SSH and all your attempts were just ending up in /dev/null! Hiding information is not a healthy start to a new relationship you know... ;-)

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Anderson > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:54 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:03:45AM -0400, Klein, Richard wrote: > > Work seems to block port 25 (SMTP), but not 993 (IMAP-S) or > 22 (SSH), > > so > > How about using your company's SMTP server? I've been doing that occasionally, but I don't want much personal mail going through their servers, and (pardon me if this is too much information) I want to reply to a girl's email via match.com, but match.com expects my emails to come from match(a)richardklein.org, and I think my emails end up in /dev/null if they come from some other address. Obviously, I'd prefer to reply to her from home, but I haven't been home much to even sit down at the computer lately. -- Rich

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Mail problem for a Monday morning

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:03:45AM -0400, Klein, Richard wrote: > Work seems to block port 25 (SMTP), but not 993 (IMAP-S) or 22 (SSH), so How about using your company's SMTP server?

March 19, 2007

Mail problem for a Monday morning

by Klein, Richard

It's Monday morning, I'm tired, and I've got a headache, so I'm not sure I can even explain the problem right now, let alone solve it. Work seems to block port 25 (SMTP), but not 993 (IMAP-S) or 22 (SSH), so I can SSH into my (home) mail server, or read my mail via IMAP, but I can't send anything. My (home) email account doesn't have a shell account, so I can't log-in via SSH and send email in pine or something (and that would be a PITA, anyway). What are my options? Can I use putty to tunnel SMTP through port 22 SSH? One of these days I'll set up webmail and this will be a moot point, but I'm hoping for a quicker, more immediate solution. -- Thanks, Rich

March 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Image/Backup tools

by Eric Stein

There are many applications for doing backups, most of which have strong and weak points. I use 3 systems: * Homemade shell script that tgzs the entire backup set into a dated file, encrypts it with gpg, and transfers it to the backup server. o Strong points 1. Secure - no need to trust foreign server 2. High redundancy of data o Weak points 1. Bandwidth intensive (only good for small data sets) 2. Heavy on CPU usage 3. Uses a lot of disk space * Rsync o Strong points 1. Space efficient on the backup server 2. Bandwidth efficient 3. Fast o Weak points 1. No revisions; undetected data loss will be propagated to the backup server * rdiff-backup o Strong points 1. Bandwidth efficient 2. Has revisions and stores diffs compressed 3. Somewhat space efficient because of the compressed diffs o Weak points 1. Uses more space on the backup server than Rsync I use Rsync for mirroring my less important data, and rdiff-backup for my important files. All of these methods can be scheduled with cron. Eric Michael Zarozinski wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for recommendations for backup/imaging tools. We have 2 > servers runing RHEL4, one is a production server and the other a > development server. > > We were recently hit with a DOS attack and possibly a root kit attack. > It's been a long task re-installing all the software/tweaks we've made > so I'm looking for something to ease this process if it happens in the > future. > > Thanks in advance, > > Michael Z > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Image/Backup tools

by Frank Sweetser

On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 03:53:29PM -0400, Michael Zarozinski wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for recommendations for backup/imaging tools. We have 2 > servers runing RHEL4, one is a production server and the other a > development server. My personal favorite is Bacula. http://www.bacula.org/ It's a client/server based backup system with tons of great features. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 18, 2007

Image/Backup tools

by Michael Zarozinski

Hi all, I'm looking for recommendations for backup/imaging tools. We have 2 servers runing RHEL4, one is a production server and the other a development server. We were recently hit with a DOS attack and possibly a root kit attack. It's been a long task re-installing all the software/tweaks we've made so I'm looking for something to ease this process if it happens in the future. Thanks in advance, Michael Z

March 18, 2007

Stuff in need of a good home

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As some of you know, my fiancee and I just bought our first home. We are moving in two weeks and I'm trying to clean out some stuff from my basement. I have a Sun Ultra1 Sparc64 with 17" monitor, an additional graphics card, 2 internal drives and a 1GB external drive. I can't find the keyboard and mouse right now but I'm sure they 'll turn up. For all of you mac enthusiasts, I have a Beige Mac G3 (oldworld) with monitor, keyboard and mouse. I did get gentoo to run on it via bootx, and I might even be able to scrounge up CDs. Lastly (for the moment) is a Blue iMac G3 (new world) with keyboard and mouse. Email me off list, freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com if you are interested. I would like to get rid of this before Wed March 28th. Stuff is on a first come, first serve basis. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF++1saI8VEtSi4H8RAtRMAJ40/ChfNbomLtd22D9OLOgPP7ozzwCcCUNY Egrl9o5y+4EAVzCZbbMfzjI= =iwZW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 17, 2007

FSF members meeting

by Andre Lehovich

The Free Software Foundation is having their annual member meeting in Boston on Saturday 24 March. Speakers include Richard Stallman, Gerald Sussman, and Eben Moglen. The deadline to sign up is tomorrow: http://www.fsf.org/associate/meetings/2007 --Andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121

March 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG Meeting tonight, 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Everybody, > > This is a reminder about the WLUG meeting: tonight! > > Wednesday, March 14, 2007 at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid Room on the WPI > campus in Worcester, MA USA. The Access Grid Room is located in Morgan > Hall. > > See ya there! > > Andy HI Everybody, I just found out that we won't be able to get into our meeting room this evening, as Chuck and Frank are both unavailable. I also realize that many people will not see this email prior to the meeting. Unless we get lucky and something changes at the last minute, I propose that we meet outside of the Access Grid room and immediately adjourn the meeting to the pizza restaurant. I've made signs for the door to inform anybody who arrives late, and I'll post those when I get to WPI. There wasn't a speaker scheduled for this evening (but there will be a speaker in April...ask me!). I apologize for the late notice and any inconvenience this may cause you. All things considered, I think this is only the first (or maybe second) time in almost 10 years that this has happened...all in all, a very good track record! See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF+GXHHl0iXDssISsRAtnVAJ9uhbsLHXexiFtsTM8v1QgB58pwmACfdiRs 1vUnTUWV236xdwNjNE0rdaM= =YnUd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 14, 2007

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting tonight, 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the WLUG meeting: tonight! Wednesday, March 14, 2007 at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid Room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The Access Grid Room is located in Morgan Hall. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF+ABPHl0iXDssISsRAmDrAJ4s8q71un0jgDodu67q0gpKSVmE2ACcDQaz IBsc8Fm01bweWO/Pg/HtKNw= =XMxE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 14, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Apache2

by Eric Stein

Configuration changes. Porting your httpd.conf may be difficult. Eric Michael Zarozinski wrote: > Does anyone know of any reasons *not* to upgrade to Apache 2.x from the > last Apache1 version (1.3.37)? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Apache2

by Scott Venier

If you have any mod_perl applications they might need to be ported. Scott Michael Zarozinski wrote: > Does anyone know of any reasons *not* to upgrade to Apache 2.x from the > last Apache1 version (1.3.37)? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 8, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Apache2

by Adam Gomes

Sure, If you are using or planning on using php on your site, it's MUCH slower under apache 2 (statically linked OR DSO). Apache 2 is a bit faster at serving up static content, though. I haven't played with Apache 2 much myself, either, but I've heard that some of the other modules suffer some performance issues under Apache2. --Adam On Thu, March 8, 2007 2:34 pm, Michael Zarozinski said: > Does anyone know of any reasons *not* to upgrade to Apache 2.x from the > last Apache1 version (1.3.37)? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2007

Apache2

by Michael Zarozinski

Does anyone know of any reasons *not* to upgrade to Apache 2.x from the last Apache1 version (1.3.37)?

March 8, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Window manager problem

by Bruce Linnell

Andy, Eric, and Mike, Andy nailed it with "/opt/gnome/bin/gnome-wm". That got the manager back up, which, in this case was metacity, as Mike suggested. Once that was fixed I was able to continue and get xgl running so I now have the rotating cube desktop and other effects. Thank you all for the quick responses. Tux has happy feet again :-) Bruce

March 3, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Window manager problem

by Mike Leo

when mine screws up i start metacity ----- Original Message ---- From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 8:56:00 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Window manager problem -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > Andy Stewart wrote: >> Hi Bruce, > >> If you can fire up any window manager, it should allow you to manipulate >> your windows, bail out cleanly, or whatever you'd like to do (go back to >> Yast and turn off 3D, etc). > >> For KDE, the window manager is /opt/kde3/bin/kwin, if I'm not mistaken. >> If there is one terminal window available in which you can type a >> command, try that and see if it starts the window manager. > > Oops, now I've just read that you are using Gnome. OK, same thing > applies, but substitute in the name of the Gnome window manager. I > don't know what that might be, unfortunately. I'm sure somebody else > will chime in with that information. Try this: /opt/gnome/bin/gnome-wm - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF6NWwHl0iXDssISsRAlMrAJ9Cs61hrvkS20MNoy81u79vRiOmbACeM3ZQ 7KSGDgmN7rzzFJ9BGilpwbQ= =2+Lo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 3, 2007