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by Mike Leo

We talked about this at one point: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070422-child-porn-case-shows-that-an… also.....wlug.org is down?

April 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hauppauge 500 woes

by Mike Perry

Alright. After a lot of tweaking I think I got the settings right and the picture is much better. I had to set the recording resolution to 720x480. I also had to put it to 1% vertical overrun to get rid of a flicker at the top of my screen. I also added their repository so I could get the correct firmware. I've never seen so many options in my life. Those things seems to affect it the greatest. Anyone have any luck with filters? ~Mike On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 13:14 -0400, Mike wrote: > Sorry that email was pretty rushed [because I'm in the office]. Here is > the directions I plan on following tonight: > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Feisty > > Note the bottom which states "Newer Firmware". > > I'll give it a shot. If that doesn't make a difference I could try the DVD > player idea. Actually I think my VHS player is the only one with an RF > out. > > If the VHS player is fine do you think it is a signaling problem? > > ~Mike > > > <quote who="Mike"> > > Thanks for the advice. I'll try that. > > > > I'm also going to try running through the firmware from the ivtv > > repository that I read on the Ubuntu site. > > > > ~Mike > > > > > > > > > > <quote who="Karl Hiramoto"> > >> Mike wrote: > >>> I've been working on setting up a MythTV box with a Hauppauge 500. The > >>> reception I am getting is a bit grainy. I read that it could be the > >>> firmware, too high of a signal, or too low of a signal. I took care of > >>> the > >>> firmware last night by following the directions on their wiki. The > >>> picture > >>> is still a bit grainy. Before I go out an buy a signal booster I was > >>> wondering if anyone had any ideas or experience with the 500. > >>> > >>> ~Mike > >>> > >> You can try hookup your PVR500 directly to the output of a VCR, or DVD > >> player that has an RF output. > >> > >> Also try having your PVR as the only device in the house hooked to the > >> line, and with no splitters inline. Each device creates load, and your > >> PVR500 is really two devices. > >> > >> If you take a look at the ivtv mailing list archives, you'll find a lot > >> of people with the same issue. > >> > >> -- > >> karl > >> > > > > > > -- > > Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text > > editor. --Anonymous > > > > > >

April 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 - one step forward, two steps backward....

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 19 April 2007, ken jones wrote: > Nevertheless I had a very difficult time with manual configuration of > the kernel. I had not the faintest idea which modules I could ignore > and which I needed to modularize the Gentoo docs dont really go into this sort of detail > Question: is there a log somewhere? I did emerge syslog-ng. syslog-ng is a userspace system logger ... it doesnt log the kernel messages you're looking for > Another question: Where is the detailed documentation on all the modules? it's in the kernel menu itself ... hit "?" when selecting an interesting option > Final question: How do I get a hint at what I did wrong? it may be a lot easier if you start from something known to work ... aka the livecd kernel ... you can copy /proc/config.gz and use that as a starting point for your kernel .config or you could copy the livecd kernel + modules to your root filesystem and use that to boot ... -mike

April 20, 2007

3D support

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I started looking for a new laptop. I'd like one that can play Neverwinter Nights with open source drivers. Obviously that is a problem since 3D support without the binary drivers is not great. I figured since the game is rather old a good cpu (or two for the duo) and a well supported open source driver (I remember hearing Intel having released an open source driver) that it could run reasonably. I asked some linux laptop vendors and everyone told me that I would need the binary drivers. Are they right and we still can't run a 5 year old game? Am I stuck waiting for nouveau? Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

April 19, 2007

New ULTRA1 - one step forward, two steps backward....

by ken jones

Folks, When the box failed to boot, you might remember, it complained that the kernel was "too old". I remade the box using the newer kernel 2.6.20. I apparently configured the correct silo.conf (there are five of them in there when using the livecd). It looked like it was going to BOOT!! :-) See below..... Trouble is this is as far as it got. I printed and used as reference the Gentoo Linux 2006.1 SPARC Handbook, the Using UTF08 with Gentoo document and the Gentoo Upgrading Guide. Nevertheless I had a very difficult time with manual configuration of the kernel. I had not the faintest idea which modules I could ignore and which I needed to modularize Question: is there a log somewhere? I did emerge syslog-ng. Another question: Where is the detailed documentation on all the modules? Final question: How do I get a hint at what I did wrong? Ken ----------------snip of hyperterminal watching SUN ULTRA boot.------------ Sun Ultra 1 UPA/SBus (UltraSPARC 200MHz), No Keyboard OpenBoot 3.11, 192 MB memory installed, Serial #9633364. Ethernet address 8:0:20:92:fe:54, Host ID: 8092fe54. Initializing Memory \ Initializing Memory \ Initializing Memory \ Initializing Memory - Initializing Memory - Boot device: disk File and args: SILO Version 1.4.13 boot: Allocated 8 Megs of memory at 0x40000000 for kernel Loaded kernel version 2.6.20 Remapping the kernel... done. Booting Linux... -----------------------------------end snip-----------------------------

April 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hauppauge 500 woes

by Mike

Sorry that email was pretty rushed [because I'm in the office]. Here is the directions I plan on following tonight: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_IVTV_Feisty Note the bottom which states "Newer Firmware". I'll give it a shot. If that doesn't make a difference I could try the DVD player idea. Actually I think my VHS player is the only one with an RF out. If the VHS player is fine do you think it is a signaling problem? ~Mike <quote who="Mike"> > Thanks for the advice. I'll try that. > > I'm also going to try running through the firmware from the ivtv > repository that I read on the Ubuntu site. > > ~Mike > > > > > <quote who="Karl Hiramoto"> >> Mike wrote: >>> I've been working on setting up a MythTV box with a Hauppauge 500. The >>> reception I am getting is a bit grainy. I read that it could be the >>> firmware, too high of a signal, or too low of a signal. I took care of >>> the >>> firmware last night by following the directions on their wiki. The >>> picture >>> is still a bit grainy. Before I go out an buy a signal booster I was >>> wondering if anyone had any ideas or experience with the 500. >>> >>> ~Mike >>> >> You can try hookup your PVR500 directly to the output of a VCR, or DVD >> player that has an RF output. >> >> Also try having your PVR as the only device in the house hooked to the >> line, and with no splitters inline. Each device creates load, and your >> PVR500 is really two devices. >> >> If you take a look at the ivtv mailing list archives, you'll find a lot >> of people with the same issue. >> >> -- >> karl >> > > > -- > Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text > editor. --Anonymous > > -- Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text editor. --Anonymous

April 16, 2007

JOBS - Several Linux roles Embedded and Kernel projects

by John Spencer

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April 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hauppauge 500 woes

by Mike

Thanks for the advice. I'll try that. I'm also going to try running through the firmware from the ivtv repository that I read on the Ubuntu site. ~Mike <quote who="Karl Hiramoto"> > Mike wrote: >> I've been working on setting up a MythTV box with a Hauppauge 500. The >> reception I am getting is a bit grainy. I read that it could be the >> firmware, too high of a signal, or too low of a signal. I took care of >> the >> firmware last night by following the directions on their wiki. The >> picture >> is still a bit grainy. Before I go out an buy a signal booster I was >> wondering if anyone had any ideas or experience with the 500. >> >> ~Mike >> > You can try hookup your PVR500 directly to the output of a VCR, or DVD > player that has an RF output. > > Also try having your PVR as the only device in the house hooked to the > line, and with no splitters inline. Each device creates load, and your > PVR500 is really two devices. > > If you take a look at the ivtv mailing list archives, you'll find a lot > of people with the same issue. > > -- > karl > -- Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text editor. --Anonymous

April 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hauppauge 500 woes

by Karl Hiramoto

Mike wrote: > I've been working on setting up a MythTV box with a Hauppauge 500. The > reception I am getting is a bit grainy. I read that it could be the > firmware, too high of a signal, or too low of a signal. I took care of the > firmware last night by following the directions on their wiki. The picture > is still a bit grainy. Before I go out an buy a signal booster I was > wondering if anyone had any ideas or experience with the 500. > > ~Mike > You can try hookup your PVR500 directly to the output of a VCR, or DVD player that has an RF output. Also try having your PVR as the only device in the house hooked to the line, and with no splitters inline. Each device creates load, and your PVR500 is really two devices. If you take a look at the ivtv mailing list archives, you'll find a lot of people with the same issue. -- karl

April 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] I am getting discouraged with Gentoo on ULTRA1

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 15 April 2007, Eric Martin wrote: > Did you use udev? There's a spot about using a certain profile if > you're using the 2.4. Udev only works on 2.6 and up (and not on some of > the older 2.6 kernels). Reboot with the livecd chroot, enter the > chrooted environment and check your kernel config for DEVFS. Make sure > it's compiled in (Not a module) and it's set to mount automatically at > boot. Also, make sure that udev isn't installed (emerge -s udev) and if > it is uninstall it (emerge --unmerge udev). the error he's getting is unrelated to the /dev management ... he cant even launch init because glibc requires a newer kernel than he has installed -mike

April 16, 2007

Hauppauge 500 woes

by Mike

I've been working on setting up a MythTV box with a Hauppauge 500. The reception I am getting is a bit grainy. I read that it could be the firmware, too high of a signal, or too low of a signal. I took care of the firmware last night by following the directions on their wiki. The picture is still a bit grainy. Before I go out an buy a signal booster I was wondering if anyone had any ideas or experience with the 500. ~Mike -- They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security --Ben Franklin

April 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] I am getting discouraged with Gentoo on ULTRA1

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Did you use udev? There's a spot about using a certain profile if you're using the 2.4. Udev only works on 2.6 and up (and not on some of the older 2.6 kernels). Reboot with the livecd chroot, enter the chrooted environment and check your kernel config for DEVFS. Make sure it's compiled in (Not a module) and it's set to mount automatically at boot. Also, make sure that udev isn't installed (emerge -s udev) and if it is uninstall it (emerge --unmerge udev). Eric ken jones wrote: > For those of you who are kind enough to care....sigh. > > On my Ultra1 I succeeded in following the directions in > <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml> > to the letter, or so I thought. I "emerge'd" successfully. I > compiled successfully. I chroot'd successfully. I removed > the CD from its drive. I boot'd and I got the following. > > yadda yadda yadda.... > VFs: Mounted root(ext3 filesystem) readonly > Mounted devfs on /dev > FATAL: kernel too old > Unimplemented SPARC system call 188 > Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! > Press Li-A to return to the boot prom > > I compiled kernel-2.4.34. I chose 2.4 over 2.6 because the > handbook hinted I should.. > > Now I do not even know what questions to ask myself. I checked > Google on the "kernel too old" message and the "Attempted to > kill" message. I could not understand the few matches that > it found. > > My bet is that I need bigger SCSI hard drives. > I'll also be glad to shut up if this is getting boring. > > Ken > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGIq2EaiVxdKlBO58RArMOAJ9d3rZPJ39O0s768N6EjXfTzeLnpgCeIgZt qrFtF49q92uuqTMtc5fwKXk= =GmF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] I am getting discouraged with Gentoo on ULTRA1

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:07:25 -0400 From: ken jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> For those of you who are kind enough to care....sigh. On my Ultra1 I succeeded in following the directions in <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml> to the letter, or so I thought. I "emerge'd" successfully. I compiled successfully. I chroot'd successfully. I removed the CD from its drive. I boot'd and I got the following. yadda yadda yadda.... VFs: Mounted root(ext3 filesystem) readonly Mounted devfs on /dev FATAL: kernel too old Unimplemented SPARC system call 188 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Press Li-A to return to the boot prom I compiled kernel-2.4.34. I chose 2.4 over 2.6 because the handbook hinted I should.. Given the message, you may want to try 2.6 -- 2.4 is certainly older than 2.6. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 15, 2007

I am getting discouraged with Gentoo on ULTRA1

by ken jones

For those of you who are kind enough to care....sigh. On my Ultra1 I succeeded in following the directions in <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml> to the letter, or so I thought. I "emerge'd" successfully. I compiled successfully. I chroot'd successfully. I removed the CD from its drive. I boot'd and I got the following. yadda yadda yadda.... VFs: Mounted root(ext3 filesystem) readonly Mounted devfs on /dev FATAL: kernel too old Unimplemented SPARC system call 188 Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! Press Li-A to return to the boot prom I compiled kernel-2.4.34. I chose 2.4 over 2.6 because the handbook hinted I should.. Now I do not even know what questions to ask myself. I checked Google on the "kernel too old" message and the "Attempted to kill" message. I could not understand the few matches that it found. My bet is that I need bigger SCSI hard drives. I'll also be glad to shut up if this is getting boring. Ken

April 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Adam Gomes

On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 11:36 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007, ken jones wrote: > > Should I take this warning seriously? > > last i recall playing with my sparc the answer is yes Not the case for Sparc64. And on older 32 bit sparc systems, the size limit was about 2.6MB > > How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? > > modularize ... turn everything you dont need to actually open the root > filesystem and get network access into a module ... well, maybe not > everything, but you get the hint > > > lspci gives me no response. I am not sure what is in my machine. > > i imagine your sparc is one with some older sun-specific bus so lspci wouldnt > walk it > -mike Your distribution should have come with a tool called prtconf. This will list the OBP tree for you (it's a port of the solaris version of the command). In order for the command to work, though, you need to have the device /dev/openprom. This is an option in the Kernel. So, without having to worry about size limitations, this is not really a critical issue. but if you want to slim the kernel down anyway, compile a larger kernel for now that includes /dev/openprom and then use prtconf to figure out what you need / don't need for your next compile. There is also an eeprom command (/usr/sbin/eeprom) which should provide you with similar info ... Then to save you some more disk space (if you are concerned about that, too), you can gzip -9 your kernel, and SILO will decompress it itself at boot time (just takes a couple extra seconds to boot the box). --Adam > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Adam Gomes

Ahhh ... one lovely advantage to Sparc, is that it doesn't have the same silly size limitations that x86 does. So ... _don't_ worry about the size of the kernel. If you have room in memory, it will load. In fat, my own kernel on my Ultra 10 is 3.3MB. That's one reason why there is no "make zImage" for sparc. Of course, a smaller kernel means lower memory utilization, and that of course has its own benefits, but it's not necessary to do all that slimming that is needed for x86. Also, if you want to save some space on your disk, at the cost of a little bit of speed at boot time, you can just gzip -9 your kernel. I did this, myself. The SILO boot loader is smart enough to notice that it is a gzipped image and just decompress it itself. See on my own machine: gomer@callisto:/boot$ ls -l vmlinuz* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 18 2005 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.4.18-sun4u -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1379575 May 18 2005 vmlinuz-2.4.18-sun4u gomer@callisto:/boot$ file vmlinuz-2.4.18-sun4u vmlinuz-2.4.18-sun4u: gzip compressed data, was "vmlinux", from Unix, max compression gomer@callisto:/boot$ cp vmlinuz-2.4.18-sun4u ~/kernel.gz gomer@callisto:~$ gzip -d kernel.gz gomer@callisto:~$ ls -l kernel -rw-r--r-- 1 gomer gomer 3371524 Apr 15 09:06 kernel gomer@callisto:~$ file kernel kernel: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped (not even stripped), lol. So, please, don't lose any sleep over the size of your Kernel ... not on Sparc64 at least. --Adam On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 17:51 -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I realize I may need to qualify my last post. by 'Make as many modules > as possible' I meant what Mike said. Anything that you don't need to > get the root filesystem is a good candidate for a module. > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Friday 13 April 2007, ken jones wrote: > >> Should I take this warning seriously? > > > > last i recall playing with my sparc the answer is yes > > > >> How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? > > > > modularize ... turn everything you dont need to actually open the root > > filesystem and get network access into a module ... well, maybe not > > everything, but you get the hint > > > >> lspci gives me no response. I am not sure what is in my machine. > > > > i imagine your sparc is one with some older sun-specific bus so lspci wouldnt > > walk it > > -mike > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGH/tQaiVxdKlBO58RApP/AJ9gKbVN5Jb7dY6UgZUGyy7+D3u5fACeKiSJ > PasnYW6g8Lao8LdevNstAiM= > =Io1A > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 15, 2007

Funny Coincidence

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For those of you who like funny coincidences, I just want to point out that last year we had this exact same conversation about recycling comptuers (I sent an email on April 9th, 2006). http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/2006-April/005287.html Must be the whole 'Spring Cleaning' thing. Just thought some of you would find it interesting. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGIDxVaiVxdKlBO58RAn7lAJ9lNH/LeLtQM26PkEGCImuvgDr3QgCYpBNo ypatPpWtwOEQK+D48pDWFA== =lxe8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 14, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I realize I may need to qualify my last post. by 'Make as many modules as possible' I meant what Mike said. Anything that you don't need to get the root filesystem is a good candidate for a module. Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007, ken jones wrote: >> Should I take this warning seriously? > > last i recall playing with my sparc the answer is yes > >> How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? > > modularize ... turn everything you dont need to actually open the root > filesystem and get network access into a module ... well, maybe not > everything, but you get the hint > >> lspci gives me no response. I am not sure what is in my machine. > > i imagine your sparc is one with some older sun-specific bus so lspci wouldnt > walk it > -mike > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGH/tQaiVxdKlBO58RApP/AJ9gKbVN5Jb7dY6UgZUGyy7+D3u5fACeKiSJ PasnYW6g8Lao8LdevNstAiM= =Io1A -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Eric Martin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yes!!! That warning is serious. Make as many modules as possible for > that sparc! I do remember that > > Eric > And my lack of reading comprehension led me to skip the part about the uncompressed kernel size. Disregard my previous point, clearly my uncompressed mono-kernel was under the size requirement. -b

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes!!! That warning is serious. Make as many modules as possible for that sparc! I do remember that Eric ken jones wrote: > I have succeeded in compiling Gentoo Linux-2.4.34-sparc kernel on my > new ULTRA1. This machine-toy has kept me off the streets and out of > trouble for the last couple days. (The weather has been cooperative > toward the same end.) > > I have a question. > The Gentoo instructions > <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml?part=1&chap=7#comp…> > tell me that if my kernel is too big that it might not boot. > > "If the (uncompressed) size is bigger than 2.5 MB (for Sparc32) or 3.5 > MB (for Sparc64), reconfigure your kernel until it doesn't exceed these > limits. One way of accomplishing this is by having most kernel drivers > compiled as modules. Ignoring this can lead to a non-booting kernel." > > My kernel after a strip command is still 3.7M. > > -----------snip from command line after a strip command----------- > (chroot) livecd linux # strip -R .comment -R .note vmlinux > (chroot) livecd linux # ls -lh vmlinux > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.7M Apr 13 06:03 vmlinux > --------------end snip---------------- > > Should I take this warning seriously? How do I figure out which drivers > to deselect from menuconfig? lspci gives me no response. I am not sure > what is in my machine. > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGH7SxaiVxdKlBO58RAgYvAJ9JYQzQ3ZrfBeTv0xcMnd6PA+Av6wCfau50 kiW0kR6to9qipCkcts5yJ/E= =zj6J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? > > modularize ... turn everything you dont need to actually open the root > filesystem and get network access into a module ... well, maybe not > everything, but you get the hint Alternatively, I was playing with Debian 3.1/Sarge on an Ultra 2 not too long ago, and I believe that newer versions of SILO will deal with gzipped kernels correctly. I built a no-module kernel using all the hardware I knew I had and gzipped it, it ended up being a tad over 1 MB for my Ultra 2-specific 2.4.34, and had no problem firing up from SILO. Dmesg will give (the OP) a pretty good idea of what the generic kernel is seeing. Brian J. Conway

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] New ULTRA1 success - almost

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 13 April 2007, ken jones wrote: > Should I take this warning seriously? last i recall playing with my sparc the answer is yes > How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? modularize ... turn everything you dont need to actually open the root filesystem and get network access into a module ... well, maybe not everything, but you get the hint > lspci gives me no response. I am not sure what is in my machine. i imagine your sparc is one with some older sun-specific bus so lspci wouldnt walk it -mike

April 13, 2007

New ULTRA1 success - almost

by ken jones

I have succeeded in compiling Gentoo Linux-2.4.34-sparc kernel on my new ULTRA1. This machine-toy has kept me off the streets and out of trouble for the last couple days. (The weather has been cooperative toward the same end.) I have a question. The Gentoo instructions <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml?part=1&chap=7#comp…> tell me that if my kernel is too big that it might not boot. "If the (uncompressed) size is bigger than 2.5 MB (for Sparc32) or 3.5 MB (for Sparc64), reconfigure your kernel until it doesn't exceed these limits. One way of accomplishing this is by having most kernel drivers compiled as modules. Ignoring this can lead to a non-booting kernel." My kernel after a strip command is still 3.7M. -----------snip from command line after a strip command----------- (chroot) livecd linux # strip -R .comment -R .note vmlinux (chroot) livecd linux # ls -lh vmlinux -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.7M Apr 13 06:03 vmlinux --------------end snip---------------- Should I take this warning seriously? How do I figure out which drivers to deselect from menuconfig? lspci gives me no response. I am not sure what is in my machine. Ken Jones

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recycling Electronics

by Mark Bachand

Yes, Saturday April 21 for electronics drop off. There is no limit, but they will question you probably if you bring a lot of stuff. Also, they will (I was told) check your vehicle registration to make sure you are a Worcester resident. --- Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sunday, April 21 between 9 and 3 metech will be > accepting all > electronics including Computers, monitors, tvs, > LCDs, printers other > computer related equipment, stereos, cells, VCRs, > microwaves, and other > household electronics. No white goods (washers, > dryers, etc). Bring > stuff to 1065 Millbury ST in Worcester (formerly 115 > Ballard St). There > will probably be a line, just so you know. Any > other questions call > (508) 929-1300 > > Eric > > Tal Cohen wrote: > > If you are a resident of Leominster, I think you > can take it to the transfer > > station on Rt. 117 (Near the 190 junction). You > should call the DPW for > > details. > > > > Tal > > > > (I am a new user, be gentle) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > > Behalf Of Dick Goodman > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:03 PM > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Recycling Electronics > > > >> Anyone know where I can recycle old electronics? > I've got a dead TV > >> and amiga monitor. I should probably get rid of > the old amiga > >> computer as well and perhaps other spare/broken > parts. > > > > > > If you're a Worcester city resident, you can drop > off at the Millbury > > St (used to be Ballard St) recycling center for $5 > a pop (computers > > and monitors) ...only time I had a problem was > doing a major > > cleanout, about 10 of each, convincing them I was > not a business > > > > Call for an appointment time. > > > > www.ci.worcester.ma.us look under Public Works & > Parks, Residential > > Drop-Off Center > > > > Dick > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGHutvaiVxdKlBO58RAt3xAJ9SHgukO3EPu2zVdHr6vOfBJMBbcACfeNSm > wYb1DByK87/R1sFqvtHr7eA= > =ihcC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > AIM bachandm ICQ 9620547

April 13, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recycling Electronics

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sunday, April 21 between 9 and 3 metech will be accepting all electronics including Computers, monitors, tvs, LCDs, printers other computer related equipment, stereos, cells, VCRs, microwaves, and other household electronics. No white goods (washers, dryers, etc). Bring stuff to 1065 Millbury ST in Worcester (formerly 115 Ballard St). There will probably be a line, just so you know. Any other questions call (508) 929-1300 Eric Tal Cohen wrote: > If you are a resident of Leominster, I think you can take it to the transfer > station on Rt. 117 (Near the 190 junction). You should call the DPW for > details. > > Tal > > (I am a new user, be gentle) > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Dick Goodman > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:03 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Recycling Electronics > >> Anyone know where I can recycle old electronics? I've got a dead TV >> and amiga monitor. I should probably get rid of the old amiga >> computer as well and perhaps other spare/broken parts. > > > If you're a Worcester city resident, you can drop off at the Millbury > St (used to be Ballard St) recycling center for $5 a pop (computers > and monitors) ...only time I had a problem was doing a major > cleanout, about 10 of each, convincing them I was not a business > > Call for an appointment time. > > www.ci.worcester.ma.us look under Public Works & Parks, Residential > Drop-Off Center > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGHutvaiVxdKlBO58RAt3xAJ9SHgukO3EPu2zVdHr6vOfBJMBbcACfeNSm wYb1DByK87/R1sFqvtHr7eA= =ihcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2007