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Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody, > Happy New Year! Happy New Year! > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and > challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make > some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing > year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking > out on all things. > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. I wonder what Tim and the rest of us can do to improve membership and more importantly attendance at Technocopia? Is it too far for people to drive? A bad day of the month? A bad time frame? A bad location? We've been trying to keep the remote jitsi stuff working, but technocopia is a bit louder where we sit and meet, and a bit harder to get good sound both ways. I'm hopeful that we can get more people in person, assuming we know what people want? I personally need to come up with an update for my talk on KiCad, updated for version 7. Could anyone do a talk on scribus? Or inkscape? Or do people want more low level linux talks? What do we offer as a group that keeps bringing you back? Or not? Does there need to be more of an agenda? Please give your feedback! John

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

> You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but > many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 > degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably > know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing > fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on > the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too > warm, it could have easily fried itself. Yeah, I forget exactly which version I had, probably a 1gb v2 or v3. I've had several die on me for various reasons. Mostly I think it was the power regulator chip being a bit intolerant. But I've also lost a BeagleBone Black (nice SBC in general) but have a Model 3 B (made by Sony) running in my garage doing PiAware data collection, and it gets hot in the summer there. So I really think it was a power blip which killed my unit. > For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. > Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just > when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding > temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the > SoC enough? > https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… > Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military > version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? I think I really need one with cleaner/better power conditioning. > On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work > with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) > On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD > (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we > were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put > in some ESD protection. Yup, this is what I think killed my units. > Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power > management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the > peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled > through the board. I'm not doing anything in my remote site units, they're jsut linux nodes I can login to and then run commands on to diagnose network issues. Starting to think about getting an old PCEnginge's board and using that. They're really solid, low power and last forever. I've got two of them here at home, one running my firewall, the other running TP-Link Omada software for my TP-LINK WAPs and Switches unified management. > You may know or have thought about all of these things. > md > On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling >> the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one > just keeps on working. > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not > much else in terms of power. > Gah! > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MYLSA…

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

John, You did not say what version of the RPi you had in the closet, but many of the early ones had an ambient operating temperature of 40 degrees C (104 F), which is really not that hot. As you probably know, beginning with the RPi 4th they started talking about needing fans as well as heat sinks. If you were doing any heavy work on the Pi and did not have it set up to throttle back if it got too warm, it could have easily fried itself. For what it is worth, here are some notes on the RPi 5 cooling. Note that not of it talks about real operating temperatures, just when the fans turn on and by how much. What if the surrounding temperature is very hot and the heat sing and fan can not cool the SoC enough? https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi-5.html#coo… Some manufacturers of SBCs offer an industrial or even a military version of their boards which can have higher ambient temperatures? On the project I am working on in Brazil we test the units to work with just a heat sink, not a fan, of 70 degrees C (158 F) On another note, the first RPis also did not do very good with ESD (Electrostatic Discharge). We had 12 Rpis die in the lab while we were working with them, versus none of our boards where we had put in some ESD protection. Finally, many of the first RPis did NOT have very good power management. Depending on how much current was pulled off the peripherals the CPU could just be starved or too much power pulled through the board. You may know or have thought about all of these things. md On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 7:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling > > the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. > > Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. > > > Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm > disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the > one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god > knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so > I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a > crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? > > Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at > home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one > just keeps on working. > > So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and > put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it > *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. > > Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. > Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's > really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not > much else in terms of power. > > Gah! >

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling > the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. Tempting for sure, but then I need to add a case, power supply, etc. Now for my rant, I've got a pair of OrangePi 3LTS boards and I'm disappointed in them honestly. They work well, but one of them (the one I put remote to me) just up and died. It doesn't power up and god knows what happened. It was in a building where nothing else died, so I don't think it was lightning or anything like that. Maybe just a crappy USB-C powersupply? Bad batch of boards? Dunno... just a bit annoyed, especially since the other one I kept at home for testing of upgrades before I pushed them to the remote one just keeps on working. So I'm really thinking I should just pick up a cheap old SFF PC and put linux on it and just leave that at the remote site where it *might* be more durable to whatever is killing my SBCs I deply there. Oh yeah, I had a raspberryPi in the same location and it too died. Maybe it's just too damn warm in that network closet. But there's really only just a couple of switches and a wireless AP in there, not much else in terms of power. Gah!

Jan. 5, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

So after buying a 4gb model.. Logan found that Adafruit is selling the 8GB version for the same price.. so I'm getting the 8GB version. I hear you with the NVME I/O. NVME is really the only way I fly when it comes to doing stuff that needs I/O. Greg, I'll need to see what an NVME adapter costs. But honestly, to really use a pi as a desktop, you need real storage. Tim. On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 3:16 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tim, > > Here is a Tom's Hardware report on several "benchmarks" between a 4GB and > 8GB Rpi 5 > > https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-4gb-versus-8gb > > Their overall conclusion was that for most uses the RPi 5 with 4GB will be > fine. Probably if you keep 100 tabs open on your browser YMMV. > > I have rendered and received the PCIe daughter card that allows you to > attach a 1TB nVMe M.2 memory card, supposedly with 5000MB/sec read and > write (although I do not expect that I will get that through the PCIe on > the Pi 5. I have to have some time to put everything together, but I > should be doing that in the next couple of weeks. You can probably find > others who have done it already with some decent search queries on the > Internet. Here is one I found from Tom's Hardware: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXWu4SUsaY8 > > I will tell you that when I switched from a SATA 3 SSD to a nVMe M.2 card > on my laptop the change was "breathtaking" on I/O style of loads. I will > never go back. > > md > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I >> bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is >> to experiment with it as a daily drivers. >> >> Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment >> with? >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZXLT… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, Here is a Tom's Hardware report on several "benchmarks" between a 4GB and 8GB Rpi 5 https://www.tomshardware.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-5-4gb-versus-8gb Their overall conclusion was that for most uses the RPi 5 with 4GB will be fine. Probably if you keep 100 tabs open on your browser YMMV. I have rendered and received the PCIe daughter card that allows you to attach a 1TB nVMe M.2 memory card, supposedly with 5000MB/sec read and write (although I do not expect that I will get that through the PCIe on the Pi 5. I have to have some time to put everything together, but I should be doing that in the next couple of weeks. You can probably find others who have done it already with some decent search queries on the Internet. Here is one I found from Tom's Hardware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXWu4SUsaY8 I will tell you that when I switched from a SATA 3 SSD to a nVMe M.2 card on my laptop the change was "breathtaking" on I/O style of loads. I will never go back. md On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I > bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is > to experiment with it as a daily drivers. > > Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment > with? > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZXLT… >

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Gregory Boyce

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 1:19 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I > bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is > to experiment with it as a daily drivers. > > Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment > with? > Are you planning on leveraging the NVMe support? I'm really curious how data performance is. -- Greg > >

Jan. 3, 2024

I just bought a Pi5.. we'll see if I actually get it.

by Tim Keller

They say estimated delivery of Jan 9th - Jan 11th.. So, who knows.. I bought the 4GB model, so it should be functional as a desktop, my plan is to experiment with it as a daily drivers. Beyond that, what do people think would be a good benchmark to experiment with? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Oh god... how did I miss that joke first time around? I must be dumber than usual... I'll try to make the meeting tomorrow, might not depending how crazy life gets with last minute shopping. But for dinner, we should try to goto "Worcester Common Market" I think it's open late enough... maybe? Right on kelly square. > Rim shot.. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to complain but I don't > think they care that I didn't get it. > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was > a long time ago. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ENIID…

Jan. 3, 2024

Re: Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Robert Schwein

Thanks Tim Happy New Year! Bob On 12/31/2023 12:37 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Happy New Year! > > Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and challenges. > We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make some new friends > along the way. > This is going to be another amazing year of talks and demos, lively > conversations and general geeking out on all things. > > I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. > > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Jan. 1, 2024

Thanks for an amazing 2023, more fun to be had in 2024!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Happy New Year! Thanks for sticking with WLUG! It's been a year of change and challenges. We found ourselves a new home at Technocopia and make some new friends along the way. This is going to be another amazing year of talks and demos, lively conversations and general geeking out on all things. I look forward to many more WLUG meetings to come. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 31, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

DEVNUL is owned by my co-worker. He charges his car next to mine every day! On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 1:30 PM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty > frequently... > > [image: image.png] > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> >> > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >> > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> > was a long time ago. >> >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >> > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> > probably be on this mailing list. >> >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FQH2B… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Tim Keller

Rim shot.. On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 7:18 AM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I tried to > complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 5:17 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that was >> a long time ago. >> >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> --MCV. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HRXTY… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AFKJL… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Tim Keller

That is cool that pfSense can do wireguard! On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 7:32 PM Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my > other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an > interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies, > such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my > web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP > reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I > trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). > > For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to > send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split > tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there. > > So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your > wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if > you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal > network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need > from the VPS to internal. > > Hope this helps > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if > >> you'd rather port forward to a different device. > > > > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind > > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? > > > > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: > > > > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 > > host A 192.168.1.10/32 > > host B 192.168.1.20/32 > > > > Firewall: 192.168.1.254 > > WG: 192.168.200.0/24 > > > > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) > > > > > > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the > > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to > > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the > > client? > > > > That's the trouble I'm having. > > > > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the > > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH > > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application > > to setup. > > > > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and > > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly > > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very > > mesh like. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >>> > >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >>> > >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly > >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, > >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home > >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still > >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden > >>>> from them and ad free! > >>> > >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > >>> base host? > >>> > >>>> -thea > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> > >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service > country's laws and > >>>> policies. > >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure > ISP/VPN service. > >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > >>>> md > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still > rely > >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and > policies. > >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >>> > >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there > is > >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG > wrote: > >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. > (educate > >>>>>> me!) > >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a > couple: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your > browsing > >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >>>>>> governments.) > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > >>>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >>>> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >>>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7MG6I… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Reminder!!! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow at Technocopia!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a WLUG Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia! Time: 7PM Location: Technocopia 44 Portland st. 6th floor Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Possibly free VPNs and other solutions! Hey everybody! I thought we'd talk about VPNs that are available for various linux distributions. I'd love to hear what people are using and what's available! I've been looking at Proton: https://protonvpn.com/support/official-ubuntu-vpn-setup/ It's been a great year for linux and WLUG. Thanks for everybody who's been showing up in person and virtually! I'll bring refreshments and snacks and we can talk about what we'd like to do for 2024! Afterwards we'll head out for some dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 20, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) > Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? I'd look askance at that one! LOL! > How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT > they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars > with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the > policy though. I think they're $50, plus $20 to swap registrations. Six letters max, leading with two letters, no mixing of numbers between letters. Which is kinda wierd. And they make you ask for your three choices and give you just one of them. It's kinda strange. https://www.mass.gov/how-to/request-a-vanity-license-plate And the rules they have on "offensive" words seems ripe for a lawsuit. 1st amendment and all.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Michael Voorhis

On 12/19/23 12:47, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-) Might they look askance at you if you requested "Trixie" ? How much does a Massachusetts vanity plate cost, anyway? Back in VT they used to be free, and everyone had 'em. It was cool to see cars with the initials of friends & family. I think they ended the policy though. --MCV.

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Mike Peckar

Because I commute to the 128 area, I see plates like these pretty frequently... [image: image.png] On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:50 AM Patrick McEvilly via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. > > > On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > > >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>> writes: > > > > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > > > > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > > was a long time ago. > > > That would be a good one. > > > > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > > probably be on this mailing list. > > > Heh... you'd think. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ < > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto: > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… >

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hmm, How about JRST or JFFO - name the architecture. LINUX is used, but DEBIAN and BKWRM (Debian 12) seem to be available... :-)

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The RFC pseudo standards come to mind. I have seen /dev/null plates > for more than one state. I don't think /dev/zero or /dev/random > would be too useful for this (depending on what you what to say) > Is there a "preferred" app for hevc video format files? vlc? :-) > On 12/19/2023 10:50 AM, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: >> Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. >> >> >> On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >> >> >>>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >>> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >>> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." >> >> Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky >> and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a >> co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. >> >> >>> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >>> was a long time ago. >> >> That would be a good one. >> >> >>> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >>> probably be on this mailing list. >> >> Heh... you'd think. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LJDRG…

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by David Glaser

Hmm, How about JRST or JFFO - name the architecture. On 12/19/2023 10:35 AM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> was a long time ago. > That would be a good one. > >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. > Heh... you'd think. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Kevin Stratton

The RFC pseudo standards come to mind. I have seen /dev/null plates for more than one state. I don't think /dev/zero or /dev/random would be too useful for this (depending on what you what to say) Is there a "preferred" app for hevc video format files? On 12/19/2023 10:50 AM, Patrick McEvilly via WLUG wrote: > Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. > > > On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > > >>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > >> About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind >> another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." > > Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky > and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a > co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > > >> I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that >> was a long time ago. > > That would be a good one. > > >> It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would >> probably be on this mailing list. > > Heh... you'd think. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOUQ4…

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by Patrick McEvilly

Saw this at one of Cisco's offices. On 12/19/23, 10:38 AM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > was a long time ago. That would be a good one. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. Heh... you'd think. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/KWUOIIHVYJYSYWYWZ5CNWQTQGE4MB5DK/

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dan" == Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'd ordered "UDP" on a plate from the RMV but I never got it. I > tried to complain but I don't think they care that I didn't get it. It took me two tries to order just a replacement plate from the RMV, and it wasn't until I kept failing inspectiong that I pushed it through. I think the RMV had a major system change about 18 months ago and it really screwed with things for a while. Try it again and let us know how it goes! Maybe I'd get 'TCP'

Dec. 19, 2023

Re: SMTP 25 license plate

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > About a week ago while commuting I was trapped in gridlock behind > another vehicle with the license plate "SMTP 25." Nice! I keep thinking of getting a new plate with something snarky and fun and geeky... but coming up with something is hard. I had a co-worker from NH with the placs 'asics' at one time. > I think in the past I have seen also a license plate "RTFM" but that > was a long time ago. That would be a good one. > It seemed to me at the time that the owner of the SMTP-vehicle would > probably be on this mailing list. Heh... you'd think.

Dec. 19, 2023