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Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 09:51:31AM -0400, Klein, Richard wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Stewart > > > > Afterwards, we'll grab some food at a local restaurant. > > Are we shifting away from Tech Pizza? Last night we ate at Tech Pizza. Last month we ate at The Goat's Head restaurant at WPI.

March 20, 2008

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart > > Afterwards, we'll grab some food at a local restaurant. Are we shifting away from Tech Pizza? -- Rich

March 20, 2008

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Frank Sweetser

Klein, Richard wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Keith Wright >> >>> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> >>> >>> We will be having our next WLUG meeting this evening at 7:00 PM. >>> All Linux related topics are open for discussion. >> Afterwards, we'll >>> grab some food at a local restaurant. >>> >>> See ya there! >> Oops. Ya didn't see me there. >> >> According to the headers, you sent this message at about 7am, >> but somebody called mail1.wpi.edu sat on it until 8pm. That >> could be a new record for mail delay at WPI. > > So, the meeting was Wednesday night? > Yep - there was a glitch on the WLUG mail server that held the message up for awhile. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 20, 2008

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Wright > > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > > > We will be having our next WLUG meeting this evening at 7:00 PM. > > All Linux related topics are open for discussion. > Afterwards, we'll > > grab some food at a local restaurant. > > > > See ya there! > > Oops. Ya didn't see me there. > > According to the headers, you sent this message at about 7am, > but somebody called mail1.wpi.edu sat on it until 8pm. That > could be a new record for mail delay at WPI. So, the meeting was Wednesday night? -- Rich

March 20, 2008

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > We will be having our next WLUG meeting this evening at 7:00 PM. > All Linux related topics are open for discussion. Afterwards, we'll > grab some food at a local restaurant. > > See ya there! Oops. Ya didn't see me there. According to the headers, you sent this message at about 7am, but somebody called mail1.wpi.edu sat on it until 8pm. That could be a new record for mail delay at WPI. Received: from mail1.wpi.edu (MAIL1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.91]) by paramount.ind.WPI.EDU (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m2K0DLoo001960 for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:13:21 -0400 Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (MCAFEE.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.wpi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id m2JBCQ4j030377 for <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:12:26 -0400 After making that perilous journey, the message appears to have sped off to go once more around the circle [192.168.0.5] ([24.147.247.113]) => OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net => QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net => SMTP.WPI.EDU => mcafee.wpi.edu => mail1.wpi.edu => paramount.ind.WPI.EDU => SMTP.WPI.EDU => mcafee.wpi.edu => mail1.wpi.edu => fcs12.keithdiane.us => me Are you sure those postmaster guys really know what they are doing? -- Keith

March 20, 2008

REMINDER: Meeting TONIGHT 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, We will be having our next WLUG meeting this evening at 7:00 PM. All Linux related topics are open for discussion. Afterwards, we'll grab some food at a local restaurant. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH4POgHl0iXDssISsRAmSWAJ9qlD2154UesPUp4JLgszXSjgPjeQCbB3FT PUz6vB4Bv3Tj3hbpqV3x0u0= =jFg9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 19, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:24:59AM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>> "Brian" == Brian J Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> writes: > > >> Now maybe I'm a little out of date, I'd love to know that more recent > >> versions of OpenSSH support chroot'd sftp jails. > > Brian> Actually, there is recent development on that front: > > Brian> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 > > Brian> I don't believe it's part of any release of OpenSSH yet, but > Brian> presumably soon. > > Interesting. I'm still interested in the scp option though, since > that's just as easy for user to use, and just as secure as sftp from > what I see. I'd figure if you just did a static linking, you'd be all > set. > > The key, to me, is to automate the setup of the jails and then you're > done. Don't make it a manual process at all. Check this thread for a sftp-only chroot solution: http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg29106.html

March 14, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Brian" == Brian J Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> writes: >> Now maybe I'm a little out of date, I'd love to know that more recent >> versions of OpenSSH support chroot'd sftp jails. Brian> Actually, there is recent development on that front: Brian> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 Brian> I don't believe it's part of any release of OpenSSH yet, but Brian> presumably soon. Interesting. I'm still interested in the scp option though, since that's just as easy for user to use, and just as secure as sftp from what I see. I'd figure if you just did a static linking, you'd be all set. The key, to me, is to automate the setup of the jails and then you're done. Don't make it a manual process at all. John

March 14, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by Tim Keller

In a nutshell... I'm using ftp right now (proftpd) and I have it configured the way I want and it works well... I just wanted to update to the latest version or see if there were any security updates and found the website unaccessible... As for the chroot features... I currently use them for proftpd and I purchased the commercial version of SSH that includes chroot. I'm psyched to see that they'll be supporting it soon since it's a feature I look for. However, my current plan is to reimplement my current configuration using vsftpd, because at least in my eyes, vsftpd is a known quantity and under development. On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Brian J. Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > > Aaron> On a slight tangent: Do you have a specific need for ftp? I'd > > Aaron> suggest looking into using sftp instead (the s stands for > > Aaron> secure). It's available as part of openssh. > > > > The problem with sftp is that it doesn't offer chroot() style jails > > for ftp users and accounts. This can be worked around using the > > scponly hack which is out on the net. > > > > Now maybe I'm a little out of date, I'd love to know that more recent > > versions of OpenSSH support chroot'd sftp jails. > > Actually, there is recent development on that front: > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 > > I don't believe it's part of any release of OpenSSH yet, but presumably > soon. > > Brian J. Conway > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 13, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, John Stoffel wrote: > > Aaron> On a slight tangent: Do you have a specific need for ftp? I'd > Aaron> suggest looking into using sftp instead (the s stands for > Aaron> secure). It's available as part of openssh. > > The problem with sftp is that it doesn't offer chroot() style jails > for ftp users and accounts. This can be worked around using the > scponly hack which is out on the net. > > Now maybe I'm a little out of date, I'd love to know that more recent > versions of OpenSSH support chroot'd sftp jails. Actually, there is recent development on that front: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20080220110039 I don't believe it's part of any release of OpenSSH yet, but presumably soon. Brian J. Conway

March 13, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by John Stoffel

Aaron> Tim Keller wrote, on Mar 12, 2008 at 11:16 EDT: >> Hey Gang, >> >> Has anyone else noticed that proftpd seems to be off the map now? I've >> tried going to their web page to check for latest version / bug fix and I >> can't seem to get there... >> >> I guess I'll be upgrading to vsftpd... Aaron> On a slight tangent: Do you have a specific need for ftp? I'd Aaron> suggest looking into using sftp instead (the s stands for Aaron> secure). It's available as part of openssh. The problem with sftp is that it doesn't offer chroot() style jails for ftp users and accounts. This can be worked around using the scponly hack which is out on the net. Now maybe I'm a little out of date, I'd love to know that more recent versions of OpenSSH support chroot'd sftp jails. I know this mostly because I needed to integrate sftp into an existing proftpd setup, without changing the directory structure and how it works. Not hard, just took testing and some setup scripts to build proper hardlinks. John

March 13, 2008

Re: [Wlug] proftpd off the map?

by Aaron Haviland

Tim Keller wrote, on Mar 12, 2008 at 11:16 EDT: > Hey Gang, > > Has anyone else noticed that proftpd seems to be off the map now? I've > tried going to their web page to check for latest version / bug fix and I > can't seem to get there... > > I guess I'll be upgrading to vsftpd... On a slight tangent: Do you have a specific need for ftp? I'd suggest looking into using sftp instead (the s stands for secure). It's available as part of openssh. -- Aaron Haviland 34 Wayne Ave, Dudley, MA home: [508] 943 - 7974

March 12, 2008

proftpd off the map?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Has anyone else noticed that proftpd seems to be off the map now? I've tried going to their web page to check for latest version / bug fix and I can't seem to get there... I guess I'll be upgrading to vsftpd... Thanks, Tim. -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for Andy

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 06 March 2008, Maly, Doug wrote: > Hi - I lost Andy's email - please have him reply. > > Thanks, > Doug > (the guy that was running Mint Linux on my son's EeePC) mailing list archive on wlug.org says "andystewart at comcast.net" -mike

March 8, 2008

looking for Andy

by Maly, Doug

Hi - I lost Andy's email - please have him reply. Thanks, Doug (the guy that was running Mint Linux on my son's EeePC) Douglas Maly -- ND1D Allegro MicroSystems 115 Northeast Cutoff Worcester, MA 01606 phone: 508-854-5739 fax : 508-853-2431 email: dmaly(a)allegromicro.com

March 7, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by eric

John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "kstratton" == kstratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> writes: >>>>>> > > kstratton> Yes, that looks like where I started > kstratton> (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV) > > >>> From the wiki, I found that I need mysql working first. I used: >>> > > kstratton> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-howto.xml > > kstratton> 1)emerge -DuN mySql builds fine > kstratton> emerge --config =dev-db/mysql-5.0.54 seems to execute as I would > kstratton> expect > > Yeah, that's probably what you wanted. > > kstratton> 2) /etc/init.d/mysql start was run before I tried 'mysql -u > kstratton> root -h localhost -p'. I get an access error with 'mysql > kstratton> -u root -h localhost -p'. I know I will eventually have to > kstratton> 'rc-update add /etc/init.d/mysql' once I get this working. > > Here's the problem, what error are you getting? If you can't get the > mysql client to talk to the server, then you're stuck. Have you > confirmed that the server is running? > > ps -ef |grep mysql > > Also, look in /var/log/ for a mysql directory or log file to examine. > > kstratton> What I am looking for is a guide for mysql so that instruct > kstratton> me how to manually configure the installed mySql to the > kstratton> point of getting a working mysql prompt (independent of > kstratton> linux distribution). This will give me idea of the > kstratton> configuration files for mysql and possibly allow me to > kstratton> figure out what is broken with the setup. > > kstratton> I guess my next step is to do some reading at > kstratton> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/. For me, linux is just a hobby, > kstratton> so this may take awhile. IF I figure what is causing my > kstratton> trouble, I will try to give a good description of the > kstratton> problem/solution. With my luck, 'emerge --sync;emerge > kstratton> world -DuN' will fix this before I get a chance to figure > kstratton> what is going on.... > > The mysql.com docs will probably help you alot, but so should the > gentoo docs as well. I forget what the default password for mysql is, > but you can certainly google for 'reset mysql root password' and learn > how you can start mysql is safe-mode without any password protection > so you can reset the privs. > Gentoo doesn't provide a default password, it tells you to set it yourself.

March 6, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "kstratton" == kstratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> writes: kstratton> Yes, that looks like where I started kstratton> (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV) >> From the wiki, I found that I need mysql working first. I used: kstratton> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-howto.xml kstratton> 1)emerge -DuN mySql builds fine kstratton> emerge --config =dev-db/mysql-5.0.54 seems to execute as I would kstratton> expect Yeah, that's probably what you wanted. kstratton> 2) /etc/init.d/mysql start was run before I tried 'mysql -u kstratton> root -h localhost -p'. I get an access error with 'mysql kstratton> -u root -h localhost -p'. I know I will eventually have to kstratton> 'rc-update add /etc/init.d/mysql' once I get this working. Here's the problem, what error are you getting? If you can't get the mysql client to talk to the server, then you're stuck. Have you confirmed that the server is running? ps -ef |grep mysql Also, look in /var/log/ for a mysql directory or log file to examine. kstratton> What I am looking for is a guide for mysql so that instruct kstratton> me how to manually configure the installed mySql to the kstratton> point of getting a working mysql prompt (independent of kstratton> linux distribution). This will give me idea of the kstratton> configuration files for mysql and possibly allow me to kstratton> figure out what is broken with the setup. kstratton> I guess my next step is to do some reading at kstratton> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/. For me, linux is just a hobby, kstratton> so this may take awhile. IF I figure what is causing my kstratton> trouble, I will try to give a good description of the kstratton> problem/solution. With my luck, 'emerge --sync;emerge kstratton> world -DuN' will fix this before I get a chance to figure kstratton> what is going on.... The mysql.com docs will probably help you alot, but so should the gentoo docs as well. I forget what the default password for mysql is, but you can certainly google for 'reset mysql root password' and learn how you can start mysql is safe-mode without any password protection so you can reset the privs. John

March 4, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Yes, that looks like where I started (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV) >From the wiki, I found that I need mysql working first. I used: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mysql-howto.xml 1)emerge -DuN mySql builds fine emerge --config =dev-db/mysql-5.0.54 seems to execute as I would expect 2) /etc/init.d/mysql start was run before I tried 'mysql -u root -h localhost -p'. I get an access error with 'mysql -u root -h localhost -p'. I know I will eventually have to 'rc-update add /etc/init.d/mysql' once I get this working. What I am looking for is a guide for mysql so that instruct me how to manually configure the installed mySql to the point of getting a working mysql prompt (independent of linux distribution). This will give me idea of the configuration files for mysql and possibly allow me to figure out what is broken with the setup. I guess my next step is to do some reading at http://dev.mysql.com/doc/. For me, linux is just a hobby, so this may take awhile. IF I figure what is causing my trouble, I will try to give a good description of the problem/solution. With my luck, 'emerge --sync;emerge world -DuN' will fix this before I get a chance to figure what is going on.... Thank you for tolerating this. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:45:05 -0500, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> said: > > So what happens when you type 'emerge mysql' on your box? I haven't > done Gentoo in a *long* time, but that's probably the starting point. > > You need to make sure you have both the mysql server running, as well > as the client on your system. > > This wiki looks like it's what you want to follow as well: > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV > > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

March 4, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by John Stoffel

So what happens when you type 'emerge mysql' on your box? I haven't done Gentoo in a *long* time, but that's probably the starting point. You need to make sure you have both the mysql server running, as well as the client on your system. This wiki looks like it's what you want to follow as well: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV John

March 3, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I want to get myth tv installed. My problem is that I can not get to the mysql prompt. Once I get there, I think I can follow the gentoo setup guides for mySql and myth TV. I am looking for an independent setup guide for mysql to get to the mysql prompt so that i can troubleshoot what is wrong with my setup. Once I get it insalled, I am considering buying hdhomerun. On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:25:45 -0500, "Jared Greenwald" <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> said: > What are you trying to do with it once its setup? > > -Jared > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > > > > I am having trouble getting mySql operating with gentoo linux. I am not > > looking for gentoo-specific help, but I am looking for basic setup > > information (prefeerably a manual) on how to setup mySql undere linux. > > If anybody has information where to get this, It would be appreciated. > > -- > > > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

March 3, 2008

Re: [Wlug] looking for mySql setup info

by Jared Greenwald

What are you trying to do with it once its setup? -Jared On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:13 AM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > > I am having trouble getting mySql operating with gentoo linux. I am not > looking for gentoo-specific help, but I am looking for basic setup > information (prefeerably a manual) on how to setup mySql undere linux. > If anybody has information where to get this, It would be appreciated. > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 3, 2008

looking for mySql setup info

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I am having trouble getting mySql operating with gentoo linux. I am not looking for gentoo-specific help, but I am looking for basic setup information (prefeerably a manual) on how to setup mySql undere linux. If anybody has information where to get this, It would be appreciated. -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

March 3, 2008

Re: [Wlug] Hello from Mark McLaughlin

by Evans, Robert

Mark, For tutorials, you might want to listen to these Linux Reality podcasts from Oct 2007. Episode 80 covers the GIMP and episodes 82-83 discuss inkscape. http://www.linuxreality.com/archives/ Robert N. Evans Stow MA 01775 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:37 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Hello from Mark McLaughlin Hello, my name is Mark McLaughlin, I started a computer club in Hudson which extends to Marlboro. I hooked up with you because I am very interested in KDE 4 and want to learn more about how to make linux work for me since I am a writer/enthusiast not a programmer. I am getting better at GIMP and re-learning my MS Office skills with OpenOffice, but, I like to learn inkscape, scribus, do more with KompoZer, and do some multimedia as well I could use advice on how to make my computer club function well and if my club and yours could mingle a bit here and there on occasion when Fedora 9 and KDE 4.1 finally is available. I love Fedora, I feel it could catch up to Ubuntu and maybe surpass it with some new features. IMHO, Windoze XP will be the last good Windoze OS for sure, Windoze 7 has to be able to function like linux in order to survive... Mark McLaughlin hudsoncomputercrew.wordpress.com Hudson, MA _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 2, 2008

Re: [Wlug] Hello from Mark McLaughlin

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Markus wrote: > Hello, my name is Mark McLaughlin, I started a computer club in Hudson > which extends to Marlboro. I hooked up with you because I am very > interested in KDE 4 and want to learn > more about how to make linux work for me since I am a writer/enthusiast > not a programmer. > I am getting better at GIMP and re-learning my MS Office skills with > OpenOffice, but, > I like to learn inkscape, scribus, do more with KompoZer, and do some > multimedia as well > I could use advice on how to make my computer club function well and if > my club and yours > could mingle a bit here and there on occasion when Fedora 9 and KDE 4.1 > finally is available. > I love Fedora, I feel it could catch up to Ubuntu and maybe surpass it > with some new features. > IMHO, Windoze XP will be the last good Windoze OS for sure, Windoze 7 > has to be able > to function like linux in order to survive... > > Mark McLaughlin > hudsoncomputercrew.wordpress.com > Hudson, MA > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Mark, Congratulations on getting your computer club started in Hudson/Marlboro. I hope you get many attendees and that it goes well for you. I have some limited experience with Gimp, and perhaps a bit more with OpenOffice, but I've never used inkscape, scribus, or KompoZer, for example. Perhaps others in the group could comment about those programs. Nah, Fedora will never catch Ubuntu. ;-) (Oops, was that the opening salvo to a religious war? Just kidding...don't start a war, please.) We have many folks in WLUG experienced on either (or perhaps both) of those high quality distros. Does your group have a website? I'd be happy to put a link to it from the WLUG site if you would reciprocate. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHyiKFHl0iXDssISsRAhizAJ4q2D6ad4Kx/KIIVUIllkkwTjY6qgCfT481 u+QAdxeHoWiYcl8QUMDCogU= =0oWt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 2, 2008

Hello from Mark McLaughlin

by Markus

Hello, my name is Mark McLaughlin, I started a computer club in Hudson which extends to Marlboro. I hooked up with you because I am very interested in KDE 4 and want to learn more about how to make linux work for me since I am a writer/enthusiast not a programmer. I am getting better at GIMP and re-learning my MS Office skills with OpenOffice, but, I like to learn inkscape, scribus, do more with KompoZer, and do some multimedia as well I could use advice on how to make my computer club function well and if my club and yours could mingle a bit here and there on occasion when Fedora 9 and KDE 4.1 finally is available. I love Fedora, I feel it could catch up to Ubuntu and maybe surpass it with some new features. IMHO, Windoze XP will be the last good Windoze OS for sure, Windoze 7 has to be able to function like linux in order to survive... Mark McLaughlin hudsoncomputercrew.wordpress.com Hudson, MA

March 1, 2008