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Re: ISPS limiting..was Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by THE HAMMER

Tim, I could swear I read before, at least for residential services that Charter (now Spectrum) internet did NOT allow you to host a site which is why I have never tried to do it. I would guess that its all about the bandwidth dollars. Below is a link to their current TOS (terms of service) in case it is of interest: Ron https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy [https://www.spectrum.com/content/spectrum/residential/en/policies/internet-…]<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Spectrum - Internet Use Policy<https://www.spectrum.com/policies/internet-use-policy> Learn about our Internet Use Policy for Spectrum Internet® and data subscription. www.spectrum.com ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:34 AM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! I knew this topic would be of interest to people! As I'm writing this Gmail is yelling at me to buy more storage.. For me the "self" is the level of control I have over it. Lately ISP's have gone out of their way to make it very hard to host services on your own networks and expose them to the internet. Tim. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 3:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org<mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >> We've got a meeting next week! > I hope to tune in via jit.si<http://jit.si> >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing the work and keeping the control. > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > computer to do it myself. I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better anti-spam tools. > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: That sucks! > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > has any suggestions... I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the outside. So it removes NATing and such. But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately. [https://s-install.avcdn.net/ipm/preview/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-…]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free.www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…>

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Tim Keller

I knew this topic would be of interest to people! As I'm writing this Gmail is yelling at me to buy more storage.. For me the "self" is the level of control I have over it. Lately ISP's have gone out of their way to make it very hard to host services on your own networks and expose them to the internet. Tim. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 3:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> > >> We've got a meeting next week! > > > I hope to tune in via jit.si > > >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. > > That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your > own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing > the work and keeping the control. > > > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > > computer to do it myself. > > I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should > upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better > anti-spam tools. > > > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: > > That sucks! > > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > > > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > > has any suggestions... > > I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being > getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I > think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you > can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or > whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the > outside. So it removes NATing and such. > > But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum > offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my > wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately. > >

March 14, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> We've got a meeting next week! > I hope to tune in via jit.si >> I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. > I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a > DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet > host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web > server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. That's certainly a definite form of self hosting! When you run your own internet infrastructure (http, mail, ftp, ssh) that's you doing the work and keeping the control. > Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from > AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything > that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not > "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is > the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their > computer to do it myself. I do this too with a Linode Droplet ($5/mo) but I'm thinking I should upgrade to something with more CPU and Memory so I can run some better anti-spam tools. > The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) > network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: That sucks! > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html > I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody > has any suggestions... I've tried as well in the past, with the big issue for me being getting from IPv6 internally to a (mostly) IPv4 network outside. I think IPv6 probably works better as a gateway to your home, since you can then assign multiple distinct IPs to your own block of 64 (or whatever the count it) of internal IPs and make them visible to the outside. So it removes NATing and such. But IPv6 just is a pain to do. I keep reading that Charter/Spectrum offers IPv6 IPs, but I haven't made the leap. Still working on my wireguard setup, which has falled to the side lately.

March 13, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by THE HAMMER

I am very interested in this topic. Hoping I will make it to the meet. If not hope I can at least connect on line. cheers Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 5:03 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Meeting next week! March 14th 2024! Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting next week! I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. It's come up a couple of times, I think it's worth talking about what the options are, what they might cost and what can be hosted both using on prem hardware and your own cloud instances, options for networking, etc. I'd like people's ideas, caveats, etc. What have people hosted? Plex, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 13, 2024

fun crashing and burning in Google Earth Pro's Flight Simulator

by Doug Mildram

Hey all (from doug in the boonies, retired = too much time on my hands) Brief my-nonexistent-skills-history: I've avoided fun/gaming on computers/screens forever. Well, ~ 1997 I bought a joystick and a couple windows games. Lost the joystick, but probably wouldn't help me in flight...? I did better with the 1990's era MS Excel97? magic escape to flight simulator that easily flew me on the moon, to a monolith. Fast forward to now. While looking for my town's GIS tax maps, (which I never found, just PDF's w/ lot lines, no owner names, no tax $info. Every town is different.) Then, under clueless town "Tax Maps" webpage, I found this note: *Please note*: Parcel boundaries are intended to be used for the purpose of property assessment and should not be considered survey accurate. You will need to have Google Earth <http://earth.google.com/> installed to view this data. For help using Google Earth go to the Help Center..... and forget all about tax maps ( I added that here-doug) doug> I got Earth help, yes! I have no joystick, so keyboard and mouse. Pardon doublespacing below. Some copy/paste's do odd things for my gmail edits (now I'm in tiny font in a battle to un-do the big effect of the above paste :) Stumbled into install cmds for google EARTH PRO (free), worked on Linux Mint20. 1) wget https://dl.google.com/dl/earth/client/current/google-earth-pro-stable_curre… (result: GOT a 58mb file named google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb) 2) sudo dpkg -i google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb (output: Preparing to unpack google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb ... Unpacking google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Setting up google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.1-1) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.24+linuxmint1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.64ubuntu1) ... (DONE). LAUNCH TO OUTER SPACE: 3) $ google-earth-pro If you see a few continents from space, good but here's the fun: ========First zoom to somewhere you know, use upper LH Search, enter your address or fun place. Adjust eyes, or ignore briefly, fuzzy view of map,streets,trees,whatever. The fuzziness disappears or changes, if you enter Flight Simulator from here. ==== PULL DOWN MENU for "Tools" has "Enter Flight Simulator". Choose the slower plane, not the F-16 jet if you suck like I do. The mouse now flies the plane. I want to skim over my hood. I use my four arrow keys , mouse-moves work too but I flip out. I know I'm missing some kind of flight/plane control, should RTFM. I thought Flaps controlled pitch/up/down, but my Flaps stay at 40% and I crash in hilarious various mistakes every minute or so. What fun! Resume Flight brings all control back so off you go to die again.... I'll try to shut up now and find out if any of you already mastered? this. Lots cheaper than a drone! Fast, Cheap, Good.... all 3? --doug

March 13, 2024

Re: Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > We've got a meeting next week! I hope to tune in via jit.si > I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "Self". For twenty years I had a DSL connection with a static routable IPv4 address. I had an intenet host with Tandy Monitor that ran a name server, mail server, and web server. That's all broken now because the ISP no longer does DSL. Instead I pay $10 month for a VPS (Virtual Private Server) from AfterBurst, which comes with an IP address. Pretty much everything that used to be in my basement is now in "the cloud". It's not "Self" because its not my computer, but almost everything else is the same. AfterBurst does not do anything, just let me use their computer to do it myself. The main problem I am dealing with now is that the internal (in home) network is notwork. I have been keeping notes and put them here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/ipv6.html I am trying to use IPv6, which I have never done before. If anybody has any suggestions... -- Keith

March 12, 2024

Meeting next week! March 14th 2024!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting next week! I think it's really worth talking about Self hosting. It's come up a couple of times, I think it's worth talking about what the options are, what they might cost and what can be hosted both using on prem hardware and your own cloud instances, options for networking, etc. I'd like people's ideas, caveats, etc. What have people hosted? Plex, etc. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 8, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Eric Martin

Hi Michael, I’d be happy to take a PE200 and PE210 model off of your hands. Thanks, Eric > On Feb 26, 2024, at 02:22, Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I could bring them to a meeting as long as that meeting is not on the 2nd Thursday of the month. I have a recurring conflict on the 2nd thursday of the month. > > --MCV. > >> On 2/22/24 14:23, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: >> Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a (noisy ?) mini-itx build. >> A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply looks like a long square(ish) thingy. >> Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMAF6…

Feb. 26, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Michael Voorhis

I could bring them to a meeting as long as that meeting is not on the 2nd Thursday of the month. I have a recurring conflict on the 2nd thursday of the month. --MCV. On 2/22/24 14:23, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a > (noisy ?) mini-itx build. > > A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that > looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply > looks like a long square(ish) thingy. > > Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use > that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester.

Feb. 26, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "hammerron" == hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I have no clue either, but it could certainly be me seeing bogus stuff in my emacs mail reader. > I have absolutely no idea where the hotmail.org came from. it should > be hotmail.com. I looked at the email that I sent and see no dot > org. My guess is if you sent an email to dot org it may have > bounced because it might not exist. Its not mine, anyway. > Ron > On 2/21/24 16:18, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) >> bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a >> netblock they don't like. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/72KXM… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XGHFV…

Feb. 23, 2024

Re: (old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Kevin Stratton

Are any of them of the Flex ATX form factor? They might be usable for a (noisy ?) mini-itx build. A quick google on power edge server power supplies show something that looks like it might be flex ATX form factor and an other power supply looks like a long square(ish) thingy. Let me know if you plan to bring them to the next meeting. I could use that as an excuse to drive up to Worcester. On 2/22/2024 11:50 AM, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a number of spare power supplies for old Dell power-edge > rackservers. > > If anyone has an old rack server and they're looking for spare parts > to extend its lifespan, I've got the following dell power supplies. > Listed are # I have, the server they supposedly work with, and the > power-supply model number: > > 6x pe-1950 PS, mod d670p > 4x pe-r415 PS, mod d500e > 2x pe-r710 PS, mod a870p > 2x pe-???? PS, mod d750p. > 2x pe-r200 PS, mod ?ps5341? > 1x pe-r210-ii PS, mod. L250e > > Take them if you're going to use them. Please don't take them just > re-sell 'em... > > --MCV. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5IGFF…

Feb. 22, 2024

(old?) Dell power-edge rackserver power supplies

by Michael Voorhis

Hello all, I have a number of spare power supplies for old Dell power-edge rackservers. If anyone has an old rack server and they're looking for spare parts to extend its lifespan, I've got the following dell power supplies. Listed are # I have, the server they supposedly work with, and the power-supply model number: 6x pe-1950 PS, mod d670p 4x pe-r415 PS, mod d500e 2x pe-r710 PS, mod a870p 2x pe-???? PS, mod d750p. 2x pe-r200 PS, mod ?ps5341? 1x pe-r210-ii PS, mod. L250e Take them if you're going to use them. Please don't take them just re-sell 'em... --MCV.

Feb. 22, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by hammerron

John, I have absolutely no idea where the hotmail.org came from. it should be hotmail.com. I looked at the email that I sent and see no dot org. My guess is if you sent an email to dot org it may have bounced because it might not exist. Its not mine, anyway. Ron On 2/21/24 16:18, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) > bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a > netblock they don't like. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/72KXM…

Feb. 22, 2024

hotmail.org !!!?!?!?

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) > bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a > netblock they don't like. (org!!!?!?!?) is right. Where did that come from? I checked hammerron's original message, including all headers, and can find no trace of hotmail.org. I did some dig-ing and found no MX record for it. It does have a web page, which is a advertisement for Microsoftware. I am sending this to the address that comes up when I reply, which is hammerron(a)hotmail.com (com !!!!). I'll let you know if anything interesting happens. -- Keith

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

Just a note, my reply directly to hammerron(a)hotmail.org (org!!!?!?!?) bounced, because it thinks I'm a spammer because my VPS is in a netblock they don't like.

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by John Stoffel

> Is the Zoom meeting client a relatively safe thing to download unto > a machine running Ubuntu? > I thought I should ask here, as googling will gives me different > responses. Should be fine. Especially if you run it on a linux which is upto date. I personally like Debian based stuff now, and use Linux Mint for my desktop. Haven't actually used it yet though. John

Feb. 21, 2024

Zoom Safety-Privacy-Security Question on Ubuntu

by THE HAMMER

Hey Gang, Is the Zoom meeting client a relatively safe thing to download unto a machine running Ubuntu? I thought I should ask here, as googling will gives me different responses. Thanks Ron

Feb. 21, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

Yep, definitely the case. Need CUDA cores, without them it's doing other and more work. It's funny the apple silicon will probably see faster performance increase than the Radeons just because that's where the people wrenching on this stuff are. I'm still in intel land there for OSX and will be for quite a while (audio software reasons). I'm operating slowly with a 2070RTX and agree, once you've got process, it is a much better value proposition to pay for cloud inferencing. Merging of large checkpoints, building intricate models, aren't possible on consumer hardware until you get into silly money and datacenter boards will always be faster in any case. There's facility and process for separation of elements but were I working professionally in this fashion I would not be expecting final output from inferencing. I would use it as a stock library, at this point in the tech anyway. Even the simplest use of the thing- generating backgrounds, saves so much work and allows for so much different _kind_ of work that if that was all it did it would be a revolution. Separation or direction of elements during inferencing has seen improvement in leaps and bounds, though. Not long ago it was just inpainting (creating masks), and autogeneration of partitions with math, then partition by token/attention and now even automatable manipulation of masking and weights by partition by mask. So it's definitely doable but would require each to build pipeline for their needs. Those tools are still in early stages but the ComfyUI¹ has a 'workflows' conceit for doing a lot of that with visual programming. I haven't moved on from grado library webui yet so no first hand experience with it. Already have pipelines for my purpose in that, the usual, no time to move to the bleeding edge~ For that particular need, the stock featureset of Automatic1111² can do growth, called "outpainting", of a given input. There's extensions to expand on steering capabilities for that but it does a fine job in my experience, as long as the checkpoint and tokens you're using "knows" something of the input. Talking about art is like dancing about architecture so I hope I'm being clear. Also, I should say this is all down at the consumer level, folks building huge base models or using it in enterprise are much more likely to be using pytorch and the diffusers lib. soup ¹ https://github.com/comfyanonymous/ComfyUI ² https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 9:52 AM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > You have to have a recent nVidia CPU to get good results, I was trying > using AMD GPUs and it just wasn't fast at all. So instead of spending > $500 on a GPU, I think spending $20 on some cloud rental might be a > good use of my money and time. > > Still watiing on <blanking on his name> to post his setup instructions > from New Orleans so we can all start poking at it. > > > Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you > get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work mostly > in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their > layout? > > For some of the examples, I though it was really neat, but I'd like to > shift the result to the left say to emphasize the background more. > > But since I'm a terrible artist without any training or much talent, I > leave it to others to answer these questions. >

Feb. 16, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Dennis Payne

On Thu, 2024-02-15 at 09:52 -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > > > > > > Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you > get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work > mostly > in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their > layout? > I don't know if most artists do. I do for my bad artwork. I started remaking covers of old Dragon magazines. I tend to use a lot of layer so I move them around. Also I think it could be neat to animate or maybe use for a visual novel at some point. https://youtu.be/6Hm4wHMfsxc I don't think any of the AI tools separate out the layers. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Feb. 16, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "soup" == soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> writes: > They began leveraging large language models against... any data set > as I understand it. There were a few papers that set the world on > fire with their implementations. Academia was raided for > questionably sourced corpus for commercial use veiled in community > gain. > I've been wrenching on stable diffusion API for a few weeks, as a > former professional photographer it is shocking to me the quality > you can get from very little input and common COTS GPUs. Haven't > touched any of the SaaS cloud inferencing services that have come > out in this gold rush but they can do quite a lot more with the > datacenter class GPU grunt. Text to video (so-called "T2V") is here > and getting scary.~ You have to have a recent nVidia CPU to get good results, I was trying using AMD GPUs and it just wasn't fast at all. So instead of spending $500 on a GPU, I think spending $20 on some cloud rental might be a good use of my money and time. Still watiing on <blanking on his name> to post his setup instructions from New Orleans so we can all start poking at it. Now one big issue I see is that once get generate an image, can you get a version broken into layers? Do professional artists work mostly in layers on computers so they can more easily re-compose their layout? For some of the examples, I though it was really neat, but I'd like to shift the result to the left say to emphasize the background more. But since I'm a terrible artist without any training or much talent, I leave it to others to answer these questions.

Feb. 15, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

They began leveraging large language models against... any data set as I understand it. There were a few papers that set the world on fire with their implementations. Academia was raided for questionably sourced corpus for commercial use veiled in community gain. I've been wrenching on stable diffusion API for a few weeks, as a former professional photographer it is shocking to me the quality you can get from very little input and common COTS GPUs. Haven't touched any of the SaaS cloud inferencing services that have come out in this gold rush but they can do quite a lot more with the datacenter class GPU grunt. Text to video (so-called "T2V") is here and getting scary.~ Bless, soup On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 4:19 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked > > about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get > > alot of fun. > > That wasn't a motion, but I second it anyway. > > >From the viewpoint of a jit.si watcher, that was one of the most > fun demos of a program I have seen at a WLUG over the decades. > > But eye-candy aside, I was most interested that the demonstrator > claimed to understand how it works and to have some links. > > The meaning of words changes over time. More change in less time now. > > A cartoon generating program is called "artificial intelligence". > I can't draw cartoons, so I must not be intelligent. > > The words "machine learning" were used. As I said Thursday, I did > my dissertation on machine learning. At that time, it meant a computer > (with appropriate programming) would input a sequence of examples, > each marked as in or not in a certain class. The computer would then > (we hoped) be able to correctly classify examples that had not been > explicitly shown before. > > I didn't see anything like that in the demo. > > It was said to be based on a "neural net", but neural nets have been > around since Minsky started inventing words back in the fifties. > What changed to make neural networks suddenly start working? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7OFTT… >

Feb. 13, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked > about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get > alot of fun. That wasn't a motion, but I second it anyway. From the viewpoint of a jit.si watcher, that was one of the most fun demos of a program I have seen at a WLUG over the decades. But eye-candy aside, I was most interested that the demonstrator claimed to understand how it works and to have some links. The meaning of words changes over time. More change in less time now. A cartoon generating program is called "artificial intelligence". I can't draw cartoons, so I must not be intelligent. The words "machine learning" were used. As I said Thursday, I did my dissertation on machine learning. At that time, it meant a computer (with appropriate programming) would input a sequence of examples, each marked as in or not in a certain class. The computer would then (we hoped) be able to correctly classify examples that had not been explicitly shown before. I didn't see anything like that in the demo. It was said to be based on a "neural net", but neural nets have been around since Minsky started inventing words back in the fifties. What changed to make neural networks suddenly start working? -- Keith

Feb. 13, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by Cara Salter

On 2/12/24 17:10, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton (literally) of decommissioned >> equipment at work we're looking to give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed >> in. I may have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers (R805, R300, >> two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision >> desktops, a few Precision laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 >> monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. > > What kind of KVM is it? I'd love to get one for home for my main > server/desktop combo in my basement, but if someone else can really > use it, I'm ok with it. I was interested in the KVM to replace the... "interesting" KVM currently in my server rack. It's two nonfunctional KVMs kludged together to make one functional KVM with no docs and no monitor. One of the switches only has a functional switch, and one of the switches only has a functional keyboard, with a COTS Dell monitor essentially gaff taped on top. In general though, I'd love to see a list of equipment up for grabs! --cs

Feb. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Pete" == Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton (literally) of decommissioned > equipment at work we're looking to give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed > in. I may have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers (R805, R300, > two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision > desktops, a few Precision laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 > monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. What kind of KVM is it? I'd love to get one for home for my main server/desktop combo in my basement, but if someone else can really use it, I'm ok with it. And it was great meeting you and I think we had a really fun and interesting talk thursday. Let's try to keep up the fun! Who's up for a talk next month? And does anyone have pointers to the Image generating stuff we talked about? It wiould be fun to try it out myself and for $10 I could get alot of fun. John

Feb. 12, 2024

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting tonight: Topic ProxMox / Turning Pi 2

by soup

That synology is nice, enough grunt to run a fair amount of compute on it. Probably too rich for my blood though. soup On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 9:26 PM Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Heya - fun meeting, cool stuff! I meant to mention, I have a ton > (literally) of decommissioned equipment at work we're looking to > give/sell/donate away. Mostly Dell, but some other brands mixed in. I may > have posted a partial list at some point on the list. A few older servers > (R805, R300, two 32-bay Celeros NAS units, Synology RS2416+ with SAS > expansion chassis), Optiplex and Precision desktops, a few Precision > laptops (that cost us between$4-7K when new), a 16-port KVM, about 30 > monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. etc. etc. > > If you know anyone who needs any more tech to play with, I have it! I also > have a bunch of stuff at home that's available. > > Pete Wason > Clark Labs > 921 Main Street > Worcester, MA > pwason(a)clarku.edu > 508 849 2323 (Desk) > 774 922 7202 (Cell) > On 2/8/2024 2:11 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7pm > Date: February 8th, 2024 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > For a topics, We've got two. > > Topic #1: Turing Pi 2 hardware > Wlug member Zori Babroudi recently bought a Turning Pi 2 and a bunch of Pi > and Rocks compute modules. > Currently, it's a work in progress, but eventually once things are totally > working on it, I'd like to show it off in its full glory. But in the > meantime, we can marvel at the hardware. Ultimately, the plan is to run k8s > on it and do some LLM based AI stuff as well. > > Topic #2: ProxMox > With BroadCom's purchase and destruction of VMware, many of us are > scrambling to look for > alternatives to VMware Esxi. One great contender is ProxMox. It's a debian > based distro that's focused on providing a great interface to manage vms > running on kvm. It also has great support for video card pass through > (something I know Brandon is *very* interested in). I've got a 3 node > proxmox cluster that I will show off. John Stoffel has also been > experimenting with it as well so both of us can talk about the > good/bad/ugly of it. > > As usual, the conversation will be lively and focused around linux, FOSS, > fair use and who knows what! > > Afterwards we'll head off for some dinner and keep the conversation going! > I hope to see you there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZL6T6… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FVWLG… >

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