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Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Okay. great. Will try the 28 kernel and check back in next week with results. Thanks very much, Liz J 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if > you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input > layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that > evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware > issues. > > P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable.

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

Sorry, didn't see you already had given version/distro info. See if you can upgrade to a more recent kernel; tons of issues with the input layer were fixed between .24/.26 and now. Other advice: ensure that evdev is the driver being used. Other than that, it could be hardware issues. P.S. I would recommend .28 as I don't think .29 is incredibly stable. On Apr 25, 2009, at 19:54, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 25, 2009, at 17:01, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times >> per >> minute? > > That sounds fishy, but possible > >> Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we >> have here, in the three different computers that I have access to >> today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. >> It's worst in the older PC. >> >> The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing >> fancy or unusual. >> >> How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the >> hardware", or by drivers? > > Kernel version, distro, output of lsmod? > > It looks like you use different event drivers in each setup, but if > you know which uses which, that could help > >> >> >> Thanks, >> Liz J >> >> 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues >>> could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the >>> hardware. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

On Apr 25, 2009, at 17:01, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times per > minute? That sounds fishy, but possible > Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we > have here, in the three different computers that I have access to > today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. > It's worst in the older PC. > > The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing > fancy or unusual. > > How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the > hardware", or by drivers? Kernel version, distro, output of lsmod? It looks like you use different event drivers in each setup, but if you know which uses which, that could help > > > Thanks, > Liz J > > 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > >> USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues >> could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the >> hardware. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Is it normal for USB to disconnct/reconnect repeatedly, many times per minute? Is that still considered random and normal? That's what we have here, in the three different computers that I have access to today. Not a few times, but zillions of lines in /var/log/messages. It's worst in the older PC. The mice mostly have been pretty standard Logitek versions, nothing fancy or unusual. How can I find out if the lockup is caused by "X fighting over the hardware", or by drivers? Thanks, Liz J 2009/4/25 J. R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com>: > USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues > could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the hardware.

April 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by J. R. Mauro

USB can randomly dis/reconnect and that is normal. The lockup issues could be related to other drivers and/or X fighting over the hardware. On Apr 25, 2009, at 13:16, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tonight I am being reminded several times per hour that something > weird is happening here. I have a mouse and keyboard USB disconnect > problem that has been hanging around for a couple of years now. > > Across the room where my old computer sits quietly running, the red > light in the mouse keeps flashing as it goes off then comes back on, > even though this computer is idle. So I checked /var/log/messages, and > sure enough, messages appear there that correspond with the times the > red light flashes. > > Messages like these crop up regularly and often in /var/log/messages > > Computer 1: > > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208280] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208286] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208292] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208296] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.432055] __ratelimit: 1 > messages suppressed > Apr 24 02:48:13 geurig kernel: [1086799.620065] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 109 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086799.872028] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 110 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.024007] usb 5-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.065154] input: Logitech > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input112 > Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.092124] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 > > This PC is running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-1-686. Same thing often > used to happen with the USB keyboard, too. Now I'm using a PS2 > keyboard in this PC, which does not result in these disconnect > messages, but still seeing these messages about the mouse. Sometimes > this happens over and over again many times within a short period of > time (several times/minute). > > There were lockup problems related to this problem when I was running > Etch, after this keyboard or mouse USB disconnect thing had > disconnected and reconnected some large number of times, I think it > was well over a hundred times. Keyboard and/or mouse would no longer > accept input, forcing me to have to ssh in and reboot it, or if I > couldn't do that, had to hard reboot. Restart X is not enough to fix > this. This has happened with various different mice and keyboards. > > So we installed a USB card, thinking this might be a hardware problem > with the USB ports, but no, the same problem crops up no matter if the > mouse or keyboard is plugged into the card, or into the USB ports in > the case. > > Then we thought it might be a problem in Etch, so we upgraded to > Lenny. But it still happens. Also happens in Ubuntu. > > The latest issue (see below) was a long string of these > disconnect/reconnects, then a lockup of the mouse and I believe > keyboard. Had to ssh in to stop the problem (by shutting down). This > new build is using my used hard drive, but I don't think that is > relevant. Below is only a small piece of var/log/messages, where the > problem seemed to change after several hours from the familiar mouse > disconnect/reconnect, to something else. These mmessages were repeated > many times (over a hundred): > > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152288] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152294] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152300] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152304] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 13:17:24 geurig kernel: [1124550.713733] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 53 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.128022] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 54 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.280008] usb 5-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.324800] input: Logitech > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input812 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356089] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on > usb-0000:00:10.1-1 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356251] usb 5-1: New USB > device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356257] usb 5-1: New USB > device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356263] usb 5-1: Product: > USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse > Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356267] usb 5-1: > Manufacturer: Logitech > Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124611.968623] usb 5-1: USB > disconnect, address 54 > Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124612.468024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 55 > Apr 24 13:18:58 geurig kernel: [1124644.288028] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 56 > Apr 24 13:19:30 geurig kernel: [1124676.032024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 57 > Apr 24 13:19:40 geurig kernel: [1124686.684056] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 58 > Apr 24 13:19:54 geurig kernel: [1124700.008027] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > Apr 24 13:20:21 geurig kernel: [1124727.772025] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 59 > Apr 24 13:20:53 geurig kernel: [1124759.608024] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 60 > Apr 24 13:21:25 geurig kernel: [1124791.352042] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 61 > Apr 24 13:21:36 geurig kernel: [1124802.006763] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 62 > Apr 24 13:21:46 geurig kernel: [1124812.767430] __ratelimit: 29 > messages suppressed > Apr 24 13:21:50 geurig kernel: [1124816.008030] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > Apr 24 13:22:17 geurig kernel: [1124843.804029] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 63 > Apr 24 13:22:49 geurig kernel: [1124875.424045] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64 > Apr 24 13:23:21 geurig kernel: [1124907.168043] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 65 > Apr 24 13:23:31 geurig kernel: [1124917.820026] usb 5-1: new low speed > USB device using uhci_hcd and address 66 > Apr 24 13:23:45 geurig kernel: [1124931.012844] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: > Controller not stopped yet! > > This problem is not limited to this PC. Just built a brand new > computer, and it's happening in the new computer, too, running Debian > Lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 on a totally different motherboard. These > two sets of entries show both keyboard and mouse events: > > Computer 2. > Apr 19 23:14:31 lancer kernel: [261130.697577] usb 3-2: USB > disconnect, address 62 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.262914] usb 3-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 64 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.453627] usb 3-2: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.465284] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input59 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.493292] input,hidraw1: USB HID > v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.501293] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input60 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device > found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Product: USB > Keyboard > Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: > Manufacturer: CHESEN > Apr 19 23:25:27 lancer kernel: [261787.827069] usb 3-2: USB > disconnect, address 64 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.160461] usb 3-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 65 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.344991] usb 3-2: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.356166] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input61 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.384180] input,hidraw1: USB HID > v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.392173] input: CHESEN USB > Keyboard as /class/input/input62 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device > found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device > strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Product: USB > Keyboard > Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: > Manufacturer: CHESEN > -- and -- > Apr 23 09:34:28 lancer kernel: [58666.642632] usb 1-1: USB > disconnect, address 4 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.138801] usb 1-1: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.327037] usb 1-1: configuration > #1 chosen from 1 choice > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.335045] input: USB Optical Mouse > as /class/input/input6 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] input,hidraw2: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [USB Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-1 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device > found, idVendor=15ca, idProduct=00c3 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device > strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 > Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: Product: USB > Optical Mouse > > Had same problem in this new PC, running a recent Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) > install. This PC is only a few weeks old, now with a fresh install of > Lenny in its own partition. Only the hard drive and the DVD drive are > not brand-new. > > I possibly (maybe?) solved the keyboard issue in this PC by specifying > the correct type of keyboard in Settings > Peripherals > Keboard (in > KDE). Not sure if it's really gone or not. But now getting hundreds of > messages about the mouse, as above. > > Computer 3. > It's also happening in my daughter's computer, that has the exact same > motherboard and almost the same CPU as computer 2. Hers is running > Ubuntu 8.04 2.6.24-23.52 (running Gnome), just updated last week. She > has never complained about any lockup problem, but she reboots more > often than I do. > > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.266303] usb 1-2: USB > disconnect, address 3 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.348070] usb 1-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.431718] usb 1-2: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.446738] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 > Optical Mouse as > /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6 > Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.465380] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 > Apr 12 22:22:09 wanda kernel: [ 3595.885419] usb 1-2: USB > disconnect, address 4 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3595.973146] usb 1-2: new low speed > USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.056975] usb 1-2: configuration #1 > chosen from 1 choice > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.059711] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 > Optical Mouse as > /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7 > Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.079690] input,hidraw0: USB HID > v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 > > Computer 4. > I believe this also happens in the laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1525n, > running (now) Ubuntu Hardy (this came with Ubuntu 7.10 > pre-uinstalled). Cannot post /var/log/messages from this today, since > this laptop is away with daughter. But the same messages appear in > that one, too. > > Has anyone run into this before, and if so, did you get it fixed? > > Thanks very much, > Liz J > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 25, 2009

Keyboard and mouse repeatedly disconnect/reconnect

by E Johnson

Tonight I am being reminded several times per hour that something weird is happening here. I have a mouse and keyboard USB disconnect problem that has been hanging around for a couple of years now. Across the room where my old computer sits quietly running, the red light in the mouse keeps flashing as it goes off then comes back on, even though this computer is idle. So I checked /var/log/messages, and sure enough, messages appear there that correspond with the times the red light flashes. Messages like these crop up regularly and often in /var/log/messages Computer 1: Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208280] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208286] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208292] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.208296] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 02:47:40 geurig kernel: [1086766.432055] __ratelimit: 1 messages suppressed Apr 24 02:48:13 geurig kernel: [1086799.620065] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 109 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086799.872028] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 110 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.024007] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.065154] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input112 Apr 24 02:48:14 geurig kernel: [1086800.092124] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 This PC is running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-1-686. Same thing often used to happen with the USB keyboard, too. Now I'm using a PS2 keyboard in this PC, which does not result in these disconnect messages, but still seeing these messages about the mouse. Sometimes this happens over and over again many times within a short period of time (several times/minute). There were lockup problems related to this problem when I was running Etch, after this keyboard or mouse USB disconnect thing had disconnected and reconnected some large number of times, I think it was well over a hundred times. Keyboard and/or mouse would no longer accept input, forcing me to have to ssh in and reboot it, or if I couldn't do that, had to hard reboot. Restart X is not enough to fix this. This has happened with various different mice and keyboards. So we installed a USB card, thinking this might be a hardware problem with the USB ports, but no, the same problem crops up no matter if the mouse or keyboard is plugged into the card, or into the USB ports in the case. Then we thought it might be a problem in Etch, so we upgraded to Lenny. But it still happens. Also happens in Ubuntu. The latest issue (see below) was a long string of these disconnect/reconnects, then a lockup of the mouse and I believe keyboard. Had to ssh in to stop the problem (by shutting down). This new build is using my used hard drive, but I don't think that is relevant. Below is only a small piece of var/log/messages, where the problem seemed to change after several hours from the familiar mouse disconnect/reconnect, to something else. These mmessages were repeated many times (over a hundred): Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152288] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152294] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152300] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 13:16:24 geurig kernel: [1124490.152304] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 13:17:24 geurig kernel: [1124550.713733] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 53 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.128022] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 54 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.280008] usb 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.324800] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input812 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356089] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:10.1-1 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356251] usb 5-1: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=c03e Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356257] usb 5-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356263] usb 5-1: Product: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Apr 24 13:17:25 geurig kernel: [1124551.356267] usb 5-1: Manufacturer: Logitech Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124611.968623] usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 54 Apr 24 13:18:26 geurig kernel: [1124612.468024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 55 Apr 24 13:18:58 geurig kernel: [1124644.288028] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 56 Apr 24 13:19:30 geurig kernel: [1124676.032024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 57 Apr 24 13:19:40 geurig kernel: [1124686.684056] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 58 Apr 24 13:19:54 geurig kernel: [1124700.008027] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! Apr 24 13:20:21 geurig kernel: [1124727.772025] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 59 Apr 24 13:20:53 geurig kernel: [1124759.608024] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 60 Apr 24 13:21:25 geurig kernel: [1124791.352042] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 61 Apr 24 13:21:36 geurig kernel: [1124802.006763] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 62 Apr 24 13:21:46 geurig kernel: [1124812.767430] __ratelimit: 29 messages suppressed Apr 24 13:21:50 geurig kernel: [1124816.008030] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! Apr 24 13:22:17 geurig kernel: [1124843.804029] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 63 Apr 24 13:22:49 geurig kernel: [1124875.424045] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64 Apr 24 13:23:21 geurig kernel: [1124907.168043] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 65 Apr 24 13:23:31 geurig kernel: [1124917.820026] usb 5-1: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 66 Apr 24 13:23:45 geurig kernel: [1124931.012844] uhci_hcd 0000:00:10.1: Controller not stopped yet! This problem is not limited to this PC. Just built a brand new computer, and it's happening in the new computer, too, running Debian Lenny kernel 2.6.26-2-686 on a totally different motherboard. These two sets of entries show both keyboard and mouse events: Computer 2. Apr 19 23:14:31 lancer kernel: [261130.697577] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 62 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.262914] usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 64 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.453627] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.465284] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input59 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.493292] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.501293] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input60 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Product: USB Keyboard Apr 19 23:14:32 lancer kernel: [261131.549291] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: CHESEN Apr 19 23:25:27 lancer kernel: [261787.827069] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 64 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.160461] usb 3-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 65 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.344991] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.356166] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input61 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.384180] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Keyboard [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.392173] input: CHESEN USB Keyboard as /class/input/input62 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Device [CHESEN USB Keyboard] on usb-0000:00:13.0-2 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0a81, idProduct=0101 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Product: USB Keyboard Apr 19 23:25:28 lancer kernel: [261788.448169] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: CHESEN -- and -- Apr 23 09:34:28 lancer kernel: [58666.642632] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 4 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.138801] usb 1-1: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.327037] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.335045] input: USB Optical Mouse as /class/input/input6 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [USB Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-1 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=15ca, idProduct=00c3 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Apr 23 09:34:30 lancer kernel: [58668.355048] usb 1-1: Product: USB Optical Mouse Had same problem in this new PC, running a recent Ubuntu Hardy (8.04) install. This PC is only a few weeks old, now with a fresh install of Lenny in its own partition. Only the hard drive and the DVD drive are not brand-new. I possibly (maybe?) solved the keyboard issue in this PC by specifying the correct type of keyboard in Settings > Peripherals > Keboard (in KDE). Not sure if it's really gone or not. But now getting hundreds of messages about the mouse, as above. Computer 3. It's also happening in my daughter's computer, that has the exact same motherboard and almost the same CPU as computer 2. Hers is running Ubuntu 8.04 2.6.24-23.52 (running Gnome), just updated last week. She has never complained about any lockup problem, but she reboots more often than I do. Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.266303] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 3 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.348070] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.431718] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.446738] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input6 Apr 12 22:19:53 wanda kernel: [ 3543.465380] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 Apr 12 22:22:09 wanda kernel: [ 3595.885419] usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 4 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3595.973146] usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.056975] usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.059711] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.0/input/input7 Apr 12 22:22:10 wanda kernel: [ 3596.079690] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:12.0-2 Computer 4. I believe this also happens in the laptop, a Dell Inspiron 1525n, running (now) Ubuntu Hardy (this came with Ubuntu 7.10 pre-uinstalled). Cannot post /var/log/messages from this today, since this laptop is away with daughter. But the same messages appear in that one, too. Has anyone run into this before, and if so, did you get it fixed? Thanks very much, Liz J

April 25, 2009

Good disaster recovery / business continuity planning books

by Eric Martin

I'm currently updating all of the documentation at work and I'm looking for some resources specifically for Disaster Recovery plans and Business Continuity Plans. I've looked at the SANS reading room for some stuff, but I'm still looking for more. Does anybody have any good recommendations for books? Thanks in advance! -- Eric

April 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:46:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it >> when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is >> this a case of PEBKAC? > > Does the /bin/mail on the system where you ran the "gpg" command do > the right thing with email sent from there? If it isn't configured > correctly for remote mail delivery (e.g. smart relay host in > /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) then you might try copy/paste of the command's > output to your regular email client program. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Hi all, The problem was indeed on my side. I never use the "mail" command at the prompt, thus, it was not configured to send email. I saw two bounced emails once I got home from the WLUG meeting. Thanks, Chuck, for offering some ideas to help debug this problem. I hope everybody enjoyed the meeting this evening. Many thanks once again to Chuck and Eric for running this meeting! Don't forget, next month, we will have a speaker addressing us about the Open Street Map project. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ7+DQHl0iXDssISsRAjplAJwM121uy9NSYnZTXsSZBuw82sy7YgCeMmpH yCNzhr675vam/Gu83qEDMTg= =372H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 23, 2009

Git talk from Eons ago

by J.R. Mauro

Hello folks, No, I haven't forgotten about WLUG. I had a great time being involved, and finally remembered to ping the mailing list. Attached find the slides of the talk I gave 6 months back or so on Distributed Version Control and Git. Thanks, J.R.

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 05:46:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it > when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is > this a case of PEBKAC? Does the /bin/mail on the system where you ran the "gpg" command do the right thing with email sent from there? If it isn't configured correctly for remote mail delivery (e.g. smart relay host in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf) then you might try copy/paste of the command's output to your regular email client program.

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > If you didn't get an email directly from me to you (i.e. not via the > wlug email list), then you have missed pre-registration deadline. I > generated the final list of keys at about 4:30pm today. > > Even so, you can certainly still participate--you'll just need to > print your key's fingerprint 10-20 times for distribution to others, > as it says here under "Right Before the WLUG meeting": > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > We usually end the meeting by 8:30-9pm, depending on how long things > take. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:39:11PM -0400, Aaron Haviland wrote: >> I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be >> running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or >> just optional? Would it be okay to show up late? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Chuck, I'd like to understand why my email message to wlug-keys didn't make it when I sent it a few days ago. Did anybody else run into this, or is this a case of PEBKAC? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ75BQHl0iXDssISsRAkX3AKCBlEwrmfOiUD/79prcP207ovxCtwCeKBFO QLRb98E8UhEwD7aPKUq/Sn0= =eByC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list > of pre-registered fingerprints. > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> I've put together a web page describing the procedure for >> Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG >> meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: >> >> http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ >> >> If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few >> steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. >> >> Thanks, >> Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI guys, I was expecting to see my name in the wlug-keysigning-fingerprints.txt since I had (I thought) followed the instructions several days ago. Alas, my name/info is not present in the file. :-( I'll follow the rest of the instructions, and I'll see you at the meeting. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ745AHl0iXDssISsRAkDvAJ4zvOwLPxPk+xKbFWfNHVKR+LNSUQCcDkym luJjbo5xsgLXb7RXo5Nudc0= =FCfe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 22, 2009

Pre-Registration ended at 4:30pm: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

If you didn't get an email directly from me to you (i.e. not via the wlug email list), then you have missed pre-registration deadline. I generated the final list of keys at about 4:30pm today. Even so, you can certainly still participate--you'll just need to print your key's fingerprint 10-20 times for distribution to others, as it says here under "Right Before the WLUG meeting": http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ We usually end the meeting by 8:30-9pm, depending on how long things take. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 04:39:11PM -0400, Aaron Haviland wrote: > I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be > running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or > just optional? Would it be okay to show up late?

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Aaron Haviland

Chuck Anderson wrote, on Apr 22, 2009 at 14:37 EDT: > Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list > of pre-registered fingerprints. > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I've put together a web page describing the procedure for > > Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG > > meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: > > > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > > > If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few > > steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. I work until 8pm, about 20 minutes away. How late will this be running if I wanted to stop by? Is pre-registration required, or just optional? Would it be okay to show up late? -- Aaron Haviland cell: [508] 344 - 8380 home: [508] 943 - 7974

April 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

Last call on Pre-Registration. At 3:30pm I'll generate the final list of pre-registered fingerprints. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:59:39PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > I've put together a web page describing the procedure for > Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG > meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: > > http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ > > If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few > steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. > > Thanks, > Chuck

April 22, 2009

Pre-Registration: WLUG Keysigning, Wenesday April 22nd

by Chuck Anderson

I've put together a web page describing the procedure for Pre-Registering for the Keysigning to be held at our next WLUG meeting. This is also linked from the WLUG front page: http://www.wlug.org/keysigning/ If you wish to participate, please check it over as there are a few steps you need to perform before arriving at the meeting. Thanks, Chuck

April 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by E Johnson

Agree, Ubuntu is pretty good & getting better all the time. Update here: Lenny installed very nicely & so far is rock solid, running the CPU less (Xorg was somehow using lots of CPU in Ubu Hardy), and things generally smoother all round. Still working on my DVI issue... monotor mfr assures me the latest driver will fixit. I like Lenny better by a considerable margin. Liz J

April 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Nick Nassar

So, it's three votes for buggy and two for not buggy. :) It's good to know I'm not totally crazy. I don't want to totally dis on Ubuntu. It's perfect for people who just need a word processor and a web browser. The problems tend to be in less commonly used features, like virtual consoles and xinerama in Andy's case. Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI all, > > Up to and including Kubuntu 7.x, I thought it was great stuff! Ever > since I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.x, I've had a few nagging issues which > defy resolution. I tried the 9.x alpha CD and the issues persist. I've > seriously considered downgrading my laptop to Kubuntu 7.x. > > I think the problems are mostly related to the moving of the > configuration information out of the Xorg.conf file into some unknown > place. My issues are mostly X server related (I think). Virtual > consoles don't work once the X window system starts, and the external > VGA port doesn't seem to work anymore. I previously had it setup in > Xinerama mode. > > I have heard other folks make the same observation that 8.x was not a > great release series for them. I certainly hope that 9.x hits the nail > on the head. > > Just one man's experience..... > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 16, 2009

USENIX '09 Registration Now Open

by Lionel Garth Jones

We're pleased to invite you to attend the 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference. This year we're offering 6 days of training and a 3-day conference program filled with the latest systems research, security breakthroughs, and practical approaches to the questions and problems you wrestle with. You'll also have many opportunities to chat with peers who share your concerns and interests. http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Training: Sunday-Friday, June 14-19, 2009 The 6-day training program at USENIX '09 provides in-depth and immediately useful training on the latest techniques, effective tools, and best strategies to help you stay competitive. Take a full series or individual classes covering: * Solaris: Debugging, administration, and DTrace taught by James Mauro, Peter Baer Galvin, and Marc Staveley * Virtualization: Xen Hypervisor, VMware ESX 3i, and security taught by Phil Cox, Wenjin Hu, Zach Shepherd, and Dan Anderson * Plus classes on cloud computing by Milind Bhandarkar, system administration by David N. Blank-Edelman, and more Find out more at http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/training/ Technical Sessions: Wednesday-Friday, June 17-19, 2009 The technical program begins with the Keynote Address, "Where Does the Power Go in High-Scale Data Centers?" by James Hamilton, VP & Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services, and continues with an impressive slate of invited speakers such as: * Plenary Closing Session by David Brin, Hugo Award-winning author * Diomidis Spinellis, Athens University of Economics and Business, on "The Antikythera Mechanism: Hacking with Gears" * Matthew Jadud, Allegheny College in Meadville, on "Towards Designing Usable Languages" The USENIX '09 Refereed Papers Track is the leading forum for presenting the latest in ground-breaking systems research. Be among the first to check out the latest innovative work in the systems field. The Poster Session at USENIX '09 is an excellent forum for discussing new ideas and getting useful feedback from the community. Poster submissions should include a brief description of the research idea(s); the submission must not exceed 2 pages. Send poster submissions to usenix09posters(a)usenix.org by Tuesday, May 5, 2009. Finally, don't miss the opportunity to mingle with colleagues and leading experts in the Birds-of-a-Feather sessions and at the various evening social events, including a Poster Session & Happy Hour, vendor BoFs, and the Conference Reception. USENIX '09 promises to be an exciting showcase for the latest in innovative research and cutting-edge practices in technology. We look forward to seeing you in San Diego. On behalf of the USENIX '09 organizers, Geoffrey M. Voelker, University of California, San Diego Alec Wolman, Microsoft Research USENIX '09 Program Co-Chairs usenix09chairs(a)usenix.org P.S. Don't miss the workshops co-located with USENIX '09, including: Workshop on Hot Topics in Cloud Computing (HotCloud '09) Monday, June 15 http://www.usenix.org/events/hotcloud09/ Workshop on Large-scale Systems (LARGE '09) Tuesday, June 16 http://www.usenix.org/events/large09/ P.P.S. Stay connected with the USENIX '09 Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=29453586085&ref=ts ---------------------------------------------- 2009 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 14-19, 2009, San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/proga Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2009 Discounts Available: http://www.usenix.org/usenix09/discounts -----------------------------------------------

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by E Johnson

Interesting to hear other complaints about Xorg in Ubu. Using Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy, I am having trouble with a just-purchased Asus mobo and processor* in my newly assembled desktop rig. It will run my monitor in only VGA mode, when the previous computer with its older mobo & processor (running Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy) ran it in DVI mode. Using the DVI cable (or another DVI cable) it does not see this monitor at all. We even RMA'd the mobo and got a replacement, but it was not the output from the mobo that was the problem. * ASUS M3A78-CM; AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Hard to find how or where to set up this monitor to run right. I have to reset the monitor specs every time I reboot, or the refresh rate is unbearable and full of artifacts. There's a wizard-like prog that will reset the monitor specs, but not-quite well enough, and the settings don't seem to keep, after a reboot. Not sure this is exactly a Ubuntu problem, but one would think it could use the mobo to its advertised potential --it has a DVI output-capable chip. Previous to this build, the monitor ran fine as DVI in Debian Etch and Lenny. The older computer ran Debian Lenny very nicely after upgrading from Etch, which ran for a couple of years very successfully. It just didn't have enough memory & so forth, so we built this new one. About the no-DVI complaint, an ASUS telephone tech said to update the BIOS and/or to go get whatever new drivers may or may not be available --no sure answer. He's just reading out of a manual. But this mobo (with factory BIOS) recognized a different flatscreen DVI monitor just fine --it just wasn't my monitor. The Xorg strangeness, plus various drivers and the modules that aren't always included in the new releases or updates, make these headaches. Also when I reboot, I have to reinitialize the network. That's a mildly annoying thing. This seems to be new, not sure it's the recent Ubuntu updates, or what. Wish I could say I have several friends who have converted to Ubuntu, but I have only one. He is so happy with his old Ubuntu (previous to Gutsy), that he'll have to do a clean install of a newer version at some point soon. But I think I will recommend Lenny for him, too. The good news is that since Dec. 08, my teenage child unit is running Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy on the same mobo with a similar processor, using a newer monitor, and she's very happy. This kid was raised with various flavors of Linux til about 18 months ago, when she inherited a monster dual Xeon thing that ran Win XP and blue LEDs for about a year. When that fried, she was pleased to find that Ubuntu 8.04 on the new rig could do whatever she needed (including iPod), and we were pleased not to have to tweak it much. Ubu updates have not broken anything in her rig. Ubuntu issues too many kernel updates, that don't always include what they should have, or that break things, such as the audio. When audio breaks, that creates another whole set of headaches. We somewhat have the fixit procedure for that down by now, but why the deveolpers don't is a mystery. Maybe it's fixed in Intrepid, who knows. Running Hardy here, since it's supposedly the long-term support version. Debian just seems to be much more sensible about when to call a release "done" or "stable" and to issue it as a complete and ready-to-go OS. Now hoping that a clean install of Lenny (stable) will cure the monitor woes. The Ubu release party might be fun if we lived 2 blocks away, maybe. Peas & Lite to all, Liz J formerly KC3XX

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Up to and including Kubuntu 7.x, I thought it was great stuff! Ever since I upgraded to Kubuntu 8.x, I've had a few nagging issues which defy resolution. I tried the 9.x alpha CD and the issues persist. I've seriously considered downgrading my laptop to Kubuntu 7.x. I think the problems are mostly related to the moving of the configuration information out of the Xorg.conf file into some unknown place. My issues are mostly X server related (I think). Virtual consoles don't work once the X window system starts, and the external VGA port doesn't seem to work anymore. I previously had it setup in Xinerama mode. I have heard other folks make the same observation that 8.x was not a great release series for them. I certainly hope that 9.x hits the nail on the head. Just one man's experience..... Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ5V+qHl0iXDssISsRAqPcAJ4tvnX1GSDC3p/Ex/UPkPL7iDz3gQCfV1Q5 2r2iEzwBg1xARhIxDlvf7eg= =1E4I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 15, 2009

Git manual available (expires in days...

by Doug Mildram

recently wlug had a meeting describing the version control system called Git. Linus fast tracked it for the kernel code, and it has become very popular. http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/FrontPage for a limited time only here is an oreilly freebie download ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/outgoing/Version_Control_with_Git.zip

April 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Clint Moyer

I've had very few problems. I wouldn't just google for an answer though. The official Ubuntu forums are quite helpful and accurate. A random post revealed by a generic search may not be as fruitful. Besides, if someone has a problem copying a CD, I'd first suspect PEBCAK... ---- Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: ============= Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by suggesting they try Ubuntu. The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the community docs before the next version comes out. When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. *sigh* James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > Time: 7PM to 10PM > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Sebastian Courtney

Sorry to disagree with you Nick, but aside from some quirks in alpha releases, I've never had any major problems that were not easily fixable in Ubuntu. :/ Bluetooth has always seamlessly worked for me, as well as burning CDs. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? > > I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by > suggesting they try Ubuntu. > > The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably > don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could > actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or > whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you > think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the > community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things > worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't > leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the > community docs before the next version comes out. > > When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic > task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. > > *sigh* > > > James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > > Time: 7PM to 10PM > > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu == FAIL WHALE (was: Release party Ubuntu 9.04)

by Nick Nassar

Does anyone else consistently have bad experiences with Ubuntu? I've unintentionally made a handful of people really hate Linux by suggesting they try Ubuntu. The smooth install makes you think it's working well. You probably don't notice the problems for a while and you think "WOW non-geeks could actually use this." Then you try to burn an audio CD or use bluetooth or whatever and it doesn't work. You search on Google for a fix and you think "WOW The community support is awesome." Then you do what the community suggests and it not only doesn't fix it but it makes things worse. So, you reinstall. The six month release cycle just doesn't leave enough time to work out all of the quirks and update all of the community docs before the next version comes out. When people just want to copy an audio CD or perform some other basic task and it doesn't work, they (rightfully) get pissed. *sigh* James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, there will be a release party for the newest version of > Ubuntu on the 23rd in Boston. > > There will be plenty of food and fellow Ubuntu enthusiasts. There > will probably be desktop CDs as well. > > Date: Thursday April 23rd 2009 > Time: 7PM to 10PM > Where: Globe Bar & Grill, Boston > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 14, 2009