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Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Al Rreinhart

Andy, I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester County Section members. Do you have any additional information about maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog have a website? Thanks, Al Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI gang, > > Please note that I've just updated the website with a meeting topic > change. It turns out that maddog will be visiting us at the August > meeting instead of the October meeting. maddog has visited WLUG on > previous occasions and is an excellent speaker. You won't want to miss > this meeting! > > More news later.......... > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKaSjuOjiraCaOTOoRAozPAJ41EoNqkKUwrJZI5p+bdue4u4I8EQCgjKIC > z7NW+SXkD52OrYZAv0VxMsI= > =73dF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ---------------------------------- Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems eMail: Reinhart(a)DisCom.com www.DisCom.com

Aug. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Virtual Machine Manager

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Discovered why windows only uses one cpu when run from vmm. It is due to the "-cpu qemu32" command line option to qemu-kvm. Is there a driver for windows that will allow it to use multiple cpus when qemu32 is used? Is there a way to change what -cpu setting the vmm sends? For the time being I renamed qemu-kvm and created a shell script that removed that argument before calling the renamed command.

July 30, 2009

Virtual Machine Manager

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Anyone familiar with virtual machine manager and kvm. I'm having some issues with a windows virtual machine. The system is Fedora 11 and the virtual machine is Windows 2008 Server. If I start the virtual machine from the virtual machine manager, it only has a single cpu despite my setting it to eight. If I start the machine from the command line, I can get four cpus but not eight. In both cases windows seem to display the eight cpus in the device manager (or whatever program it is). It has been suggest that windows was imaged on a four core machine before being loaded on the eight core machine and that something in windows is maxing at four cores. But that doesn't explain why the virtual machine manager can only start one cpu. I just played around on my home machine with a fedora 10 live cd and it recognized the two cores on that machine and used them from the virtual machine manager without problem. Also upped it to three cpus without problem.

July 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Thanks Doug!

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 joel d wrote: > Doug, > > Thanks for throwing the BBQ. > > I had a great time. > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Doug, Thanks for letting us have the BBQ at your place! I had fun and I think others did also. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaiJuOjiraCaOTOoRAuQAAJwJjzH1kL9jyL6GOD7EaQ4+YRAIggCgtWjA KGAHNniCp+eOvZUXlgIRO/M= =meFn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 24, 2009

Thanks Doug!

by joel d

Doug, Thanks for throwing the BBQ. I had a great time. Joel

July 24, 2009

August WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Please note that I've just updated the website with a meeting topic change. It turns out that maddog will be visiting us at the August meeting instead of the October meeting. maddog has visited WLUG on previous occasions and is an excellent speaker. You won't want to miss this meeting! More news later.......... Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaSjuOjiraCaOTOoRAozPAJ41EoNqkKUwrJZI5p+bdue4u4I8EQCgjKIC z7NW+SXkD52OrYZAv0VxMsI= =73dF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 24, 2009

Running late...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, I will be arriving at the BBQ close to 7:00 PM...lots of traffic and I got out of work late this evening. See all y'all soon, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaN5wOjiraCaOTOoRArdGAJsF4teJyuRXNLfnqbPnNKiE4U8x1wCgyq6N mdWJLgQUqhXn46kZScckN/o= =V3oI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Eric Martin

I would if I could but I will be in CT tonight. (My buddy is getting married Sunday in CT and there's a lot of stuff to do). I'll catch you all next month! Gregory Avedissian wrote: > If anyone going to the bbq from Worcester (or passing through) has room > for two, Liz and I would like to go. Please send me an email if you can > give us a ride. Thanks. > > Greg > > > Doug Mildram wrote: > >> (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, >> but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever >> and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Stephen Daukas

Hi Andy! I thought I'd pass along my latest forecast (can you tell I wish I were going to the BBQ?)... *Updated Shrewsbury Area Weather for 7/23-7/27//2009 (see disclaimer at bottom)...* Start your dehumidifiers and check your sump pumps!! *Today & Tomorrow* Today: Dew point ~65°F, Temps ~70°F, Winds WNW to NE @ 2-7 MPH. Friday: Dew point ~61°F, Temps ~70°F, Winds NE to WSW @ 2-10 MPH. A tropical air mass-based storm system will produce heavy amounts of rainfall during the next 24 hours in the greater Shrewsbury area. The Tropical Prediction Center/National Hurricane Center indicates a less than 30% chance of development of a tropical storm, but heavy rains will arrive and cause minor to moderate stream, tributary and small river flooding. It is too early to determine the exact timing/location of storm axis, but it looks to be centered more over eastern MA. Rainfall should start ~8 PM tonight and begin to taper off ~8 AM tomorrow. 2 to 3 inches of rain during this 12 hour period are likely, with a potential for amounts as high as 3 to 4 inches. Isolated pockets of even greater precipitation amounts are possible... Remember: *Turn Around - Don't Drown!* ~18-24" of water will float a car and ~8 inches of moving water will knock a person off their feet. Flooded basements have the added risk of electrical shock... ** Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist _________________________________________________________________ - Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. - -- Will Durant On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Doug Mildram wrote: > > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. > > > > I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) > > I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, > > with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill > > needs moving, > > then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on > > the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground > > pool is open too. > > > > Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), > > and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your > junkpile > > (I did get 3 already from Liz) > > > > Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 > : > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > HI Doug, > > This all looks great - thanks! > > I'll see you all on Thursday evening. > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKZ54oOjiraCaOTOoRAudJAKC2VQSuyM6NqatZziUKI+delylJ/ACg1GBv > 7QbEtw4FvEtkMcKyyolN/Os= > =ZTnh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Gregory Avedissian

If anyone going to the bbq from Worcester (or passing through) has room for two, Liz and I would like to go. Please send me an email if you can give us a ride. Thanks. Greg Doug Mildram wrote: > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. >

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doug Mildram wrote: > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. > > I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) > I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, > with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill > needs moving, > then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on > the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground > pool is open too. > > Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), > and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your junkpile > (I did get 3 already from Liz) > > Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 : > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… HI Doug, This all looks great - thanks! I'll see you all on Thursday evening. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKZ54oOjiraCaOTOoRAudJAKC2VQSuyM6NqatZziUKI+delylJ/ACg1GBv 7QbEtw4FvEtkMcKyyolN/Os= =ZTnh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 22, 2009

fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Doug Mildram

(I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill needs moving, then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground pool is open too. Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your junkpile (I did get 3 already from Liz) Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 : http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29…

July 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BBQ?

by Stephen Daukas

I can't make the BBQ - to much to do before traveling to a wedding - but here is my forecast from yesterday: *Shrewsbury Area Weather for 7/21-7/27//2009 (see disclaimer at bottom)...* *Summary* A Low off Delmarva Peninsula will move into our area later today, and into the Gulf of Maine Wednesday. Warm and humid High will make Wednesday the better day of the next several, but a backdoor cool front will bring more unsettled Wx on Thursday and Friday, including possibility of TStorms. Effects from the Bermuda High will persist through Monday. *Today* Dew point ~61°F, Temps ~65°F, Winds generally E running 4-6 MPH. Precipitation across western MA, northern CT and southern NH with axis of persistent heavier rainfall across eastern half of southern New England. Rainless periods toward mid morning, but 1-2 inches of rainfall in some areas by end of day. *Wednesday* Dew Point ~61°F to ~65°F. Temps ~81°F. Winds NW-WSW @ 1-8 MPH. Clouds start to clear during afternoon. Should end up as a partly cloudy afternoon. This will be the best day of the workweek. *Thursday* Dew point ~68°F, Temps ~76°F, Winds generally S running 2-8 MPH. "Backdoor" cold front moves into our area disrupting warmer and more humid air from the Bermuda High. This will result in cooler temps and increased risk of rain and TStorms. TStorms will lead cold front. *Friday* Dew point ~65°F, Temps ~81°F, Winds generally SW running 5-7 MPH. Similar to Thursday, but lower probability of precip. and TStorms a High reasserts. *Saturday - Monday* Dew point ~654°F, Temps ~80°F, Winds variable 2-6 MPH. Temps near normal, typical summer diurnal cloud cover with potential for showers and afternoon TStorms. * Disclaimer:* My forecasts should not be used for anything other than general information. You should not send my forecasts to others without this disclaimer attached so that there is no chance of misinterpretation by others. Thanks! Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist _________________________________________________________________ - Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. - -- Will Durant On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > So is there any consensus on the BBQ being held tonight or postponed? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 22, 2009

BBQ?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, So is there any consensus on the BBQ being held tonight or postponed? Thanks, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 22, 2009

REMINDER: WLUG BBQ

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is the first in an infinite series of reminder emails regarding the WLUG BBQ. This event will be held at Doug Mildram's place (thanks, Doug!). The date for the event is Thursday, July 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 PM. As supplied by Doug, here are directions and contact information: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… Food and drink are being supplied by WLUG. BYOB is at the discretion of our host. If you wish to bring dessert, munchies, a special dietary item, or the like, feel free! WLUG will be supplying the basics of hot dogs, hamburgers, rolls, condiments, paper products, etc. If there are any questions, send email to Doug (dmildram(a)gmail.com) As has been the case for the last many years, there will be a large painted TUX nearby to direct you to the location. In the event of inclement weather, we don't have a plan. The weather will be good. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKX9wTOjiraCaOTOoRAlXWAJ0QzZE5YtNaLXjF7FjFyKInJo6t+wCfVCZV Jg/BGR9h341gZJ143vhJwyw= =JWdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] VGA cables ; BBQ

by E Johnson

I have 3 (three) VGA cables here. If you want 'em, come get 'em. Newton Square Worcester, easy parking in lot out back. I would like to attend BBQ, if someone can provide ride to/from Worcester, that would be very nice. Will bring big bowl of somewhat healthy goodies (side dish) as contribution. Potato salad or cole slaw type of thing, probably. > Salsa+cornchips? Several of each. > next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? There is no Thursday 7/13 in 2009. Hopefully you meant 7/23?? Thanks in advance for clarifying. Let me know about the VGA cables. Please e-mail me <iris.gates AT gmail.com> for phone number exchange so we can arrange pickup time. Good luck Liz J 2009/7/16 Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com>: > doug> hi! packrat alert and BBQ teaser/feeler. > > 1) who has stashed VGA monitor cables (M/M, not extension) from dead > monitors ? > (from monitors whose cables are not molded on! ) > I need a bunch for work... a remote to-be-shutdown-site simpleton > packed up LCD monitors and shipped them to the mother ship withOUT cables. > I have a semi-new job at EMC, the mother ship/flotilla in Hopkinton. > True, I could buy 10 cables for maybe $20 on ebay. > > 2) Coming to the WLUG bbq next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? > (details later, perhaps by Andy). I'll be shopping for that soon, > Soliciting ideas and "I'll be there" (or not) reply-to-me appreciated. > (BYOB, bring your kids/dogs/SO's, the cheesy aboveground pool is working) > > Idea hunting: > burgers,dogs(easy); sausages?(more challenging, what's a good brand/type > that won't turn my grill into an inferno?). Healthy side dishes? > (can't think > of any at the moment. Maybe you'll bring something or suggest something > easy). > Chips: normal like Lays/Ruffles? exotic like Cape Cod? Salsa+cornchips? > One of each, probably...I can be real cheap when it comes to things like > chips. > e.g. $3 for 8oz of hummus==toomuch! Oh well, "whiner off". I usually > save big at PriceRite (in Worcester and many other locations), it's a very > multicultural experience :) - doug and the dogs... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 16, 2009

VGA cables ; BBQ

by Doug Mildram

doug> hi! packrat alert and BBQ teaser/feeler. 1) who has stashed VGA monitor cables (M/M, not extension) from dead monitors ? (from monitors whose cables are not molded on! ) I need a bunch for work... a remote to-be-shutdown-site simpleton packed up LCD monitors and shipped them to the mother ship withOUT cables. I have a semi-new job at EMC, the mother ship/flotilla in Hopkinton. True, I could buy 10 cables for maybe $20 on ebay. 2) Coming to the WLUG bbq next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? (details later, perhaps by Andy). I'll be shopping for that soon, Soliciting ideas and "I'll be there" (or not) reply-to-me appreciated. (BYOB, bring your kids/dogs/SO's, the cheesy aboveground pool is working) Idea hunting: burgers,dogs(easy); sausages?(more challenging, what's a good brand/type that won't turn my grill into an inferno?). Healthy side dishes? (can't think of any at the moment. Maybe you'll bring something or suggest something easy). Chips: normal like Lays/Ruffles? exotic like Cape Cod? Salsa+cornchips? One of each, probably...I can be real cheap when it comes to things like chips. e.g. $3 for 8oz of hummus==toomuch! Oh well, "whiner off". I usually save big at PriceRite (in Worcester and many other locations), it's a very multicultural experience :) - doug and the dogs...

July 16, 2009

Fedora 11 and mingw32

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I installed fedora 11 on my old laptop and turned back on glitch free audio. It almost works perfectly. Sufficient that I probably wouldn't bother turning it off now. I think the hard drive is starting to fail so I decided to purchase a new laptop. Since I'd like some 3D functionality now I decided to go with the Intel GMA X4500. Unfortunately Fedora 11 stumbled here. I thought the picture quality wasn't very good and found it was using the vesa drivers not the intel drivers. Searching found that others had the same issue but it worked on Fedora 10. Tried a Fedora 10 live CD and the display was nice and sharp. Modified the xorg.conf to use the intel drivers and Fedora 11 also became nice and sharp. Anyway onto my question, has anyone played with the mingw32 cross compiler on Fedora 11? I've created a simple hello world app and cmake file (since I hate autotools). I've got it compiling by creating a Toolchain file but it seems like that is something that should be provided with the mingw32. Is there a standard Toolchain file somewhere and I just haven't found it?

July 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by John Stoffel

Alex> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD Alex> software i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it Alex> has a custom in application scripting language that allows you Alex> to access an open CAD document by manipulating a tree of Alex> objects. The scripting language is fairly limited when it comes Alex> to talking to the outside world and only offers rudimentary file Alex> IO. I was wondering if any of you know how to make one end of a Alex> unix socket look like a file? What exactly are you trying to achive here with eagle's rudimentary file IO? Do you want to feed Eagle a design in realtime from the socket? Or be able to send data to/from the app from another host? What? I've read the suggestions, and they all have some merit, but I'm still at a loss to understand what you're trying to accomplish. Once we know that, maybe we can suggest a better solution than sockets. John

July 1, 2009

Fwd: Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

Damn phone didn't let me reply all Begin forwarded message: > From: "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: July 1, 2009 10:00:44 EDT > To: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file. > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:33, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 22:35:44 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>>> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>>> >>>> please dont top post >>> >>> Who did? >> >> i'm guessing you made this comment ironically > > Actually, I was probably drunk, and I was definitely typing on my > phone both times, so forgive me if I wasn't an ml-etiquette zealot. > > Moving things is a worse sin than top posting. > >> >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a >>>>>> custom >>>>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an >>>>>> open >>>>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the >>>>>> outside >>>>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if >>>>>> any of >>>>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. >>>>> You >>>>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>>>> FIFOs >>>>> are unfortunately "special" >>>> >>>> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so >>>> that >>>> you can >>> >>> FIFOs are kind of a hack. >> >> no one said otherwise. the fun thing about *nix is you can >> leverage these >> kind of hacks quickly. > > And then go through the pain of hacking on top of them and > supporting them. The *real* unix mindset was careful, elegantly > minimal design, not ad-hackery. That started outside Bell Labs. > > c.f. most perl programs > >> >> >>> Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python >>> and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network >>> transparency for free >> >> if you say so, i havent done fuse work myself >> -mike > > It's laughably easy. I had a filesystem written to expose stuff from > the x server (mouse coordinates, snarf buffer, etc) in about four > hours. The hard part was dealing with how crappy x11 is (400 lines > to r/w the snarf buffer?! Gag me with a spoon! X is the epitome of > bad design and bad APIs) The fuse part was a joy, and probably all > of it was fewer lines than the snarf buffer. > > It seems like the OP wants a permanent solution, and maybe one that > involves biderectional communication and separation of roles into > multiple channels (he didn't say the last bit, but I've got five > bucks that says he'll want to once he thinks about it and looks at > other fileserver-based programs like Acme, rio, factotum, flickrfs, > etc) > > Using fifos for this is lunacy.

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 22:35:44 J. R. Mauro wrote: > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: > > > > please dont top post > > Who did? i'm guessing you made this comment ironically > >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software > >>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom > >>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open > >>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting > >>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside > >>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of > >>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? > >> > >> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You > >> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and > >> FIFOs > >> are unfortunately "special" > > > > i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that > > you can > > FIFOs are kind of a hack. no one said otherwise. the fun thing about *nix is you can leverage these kind of hacks quickly. > Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python > and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network > transparency for free if you say so, i havent done fuse work myself -mike

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:47, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm thinking fuse might work. I'l look into working with fuse in It's dead simple, even in C. And then you can have a bunch of files for specific tasks > > python when I get to a real computer. Thanks! > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:35 PM, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>> >>> please dont top post >> >> Who did? >> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a >>>>> custom >>>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an >>>>> open >>>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any >>>>> of >>>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >>>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>>> FIFOs >>>> are unfortunately "special" >>> >>> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that >>> you can >> >> FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of >> python >> and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network >> transparency for free >> >>> >>> read/write via the network ... seems to work for me >>> >>> $ mkfifo fifo >>> shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo >>> shell 2: $ cat fifo >>> shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 >>> -mike >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Alex Camilo

I'm thinking fuse might work. I'l look into working with fuse in python when I get to a real computer. Thanks! On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:35 PM, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >> >> please dont top post > > Who did? > >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom >>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open >>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any >>>> of >>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>> >>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>> FIFOs >>> are unfortunately "special" >> >> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that >> you can > > FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python > and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network > transparency for free > >> >> read/write via the network ... seems to work for me >> >> $ mkfifo fifo >> shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo >> shell 2: $ cat fifo >> shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 >> -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: > > please dont top post Who did? > > >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom >>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open >>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of >>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >> >> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >> FIFOs >> are unfortunately "special" > > i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that > you can FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network transparency for free > > read/write via the network ... seems to work for me > > $ mkfifo fifo > shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo > shell 2: $ cat fifo > shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 > -mike

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: please dont top post > On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software > > i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom > > in application scripting language that allows you to access an open > > CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting > > language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside > > world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of > > you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? > > Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You > might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and FIFOs > are unfortunately "special" i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that you can read/write via the network ... seems to work for me $ mkfifo fifo shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo shell 2: $ cat fifo shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 -mike

July 1, 2009