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Re: [Wlug] getting rid of some monitors

by Jared Greenwald

21s taken On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jared Greenwald<greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I apologize in advance for spamming the list with my want ad. > > I need to get rid of some CRT monitors and am wondering if anyone on > the list would be interested. They are as follows... > > 1x Gateway Vivitron (circa '95) 17" > 1x Compaq MV940 19" > 2x Digital re-branded Trinitron 21" (matched pair) > > The 19" and 21" monitors can each run at 1600x1200 and the 21s have > dual input, which is nice. I used the 21s in a TwinView setup on my > main Ubuntu-based workstation at home for years until I got a LCD last > Christmas. I have power/video cables for all of them, so they are > ready to roll. I had them up on craigslist to try and sell them, but > haven't gotten any hits and it's just time to clear out the space. > The catch is that you would need to come pick them up from me in > Uxbridge. > > Please respond to me privately so we don't spam the list. > > Thanks, > Jared Greenwald >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [W

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. > I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". Could it be????? > If it's a recent version of Xorg, there won't be an xorg.conf. Xorg uses HAL and crappy XML files now. If you know what modeline your monitor needs, create an xorg.conf, put the modeline in, and the monitor should work. The idea is that xorg should figure out what to do automagically, but X sucks and it never works. Giving it a working xorg.conf will make it do what you want, not it's automagic stuff. > First kjones-sun > > [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a > Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST 2003 sparc64 unknow > > ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q > Can't open display (null) > > ----------------no xorg.conf --------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > [root@kjones-sun X11]# > > > There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. > > ==================================================== > > Now kjones-sun2 > > kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a > Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time zone mu > st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux > > --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q > Can't open display > > > kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf > warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf > /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example > > ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ > > kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 > kjones-sun2 X11 # ls > Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit xorg.conf.example > kjones-sun2 X11 # > > ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # more /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x > org.conf > --More--(22%) > Section "ServerLayout" > --More--(22%) > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "extmod" > Load "dri" > Load "dbe" > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "glx" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Monitor Model" > > HorizSync 1-10000 > --More--(75%) > VertRefresh 1-10000 > > ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 > ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 > ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 > ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 > ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 > ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 > ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 > > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", > ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] > #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "vmware" > --More--(90%) > VendorName "VMWare Inc" > BoardName "Unknown Board" > BusID "PCI:0:15:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 4 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 15 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Thanks, Ken Jones

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by John Stoffel

Look in /etc/X11R6 or something like that. find / -name "*.conf" | less and see what pops up. Gotta run... too bad I can't make the meeting tonight, swim lessons. John

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by Randall Mason

The file you need to edit is the XF86Config in /etc/X11, That's what the config file was before the whole X.Org switchover. Randall Mason On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses > /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. > I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". > Could it be????? > > First kjones-sun > > [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a > Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST *2003* sparc64 > unknow > > ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q > Can't open display (null) > > ----------------no xorg.conf --------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit > xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > [root@kjones-sun X11]# > > > There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. > > ==================================================== > > Now kjones-sun2 > > kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a > Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time > zone mu > st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux > > --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q > Can't open display > > > kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf > warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more > than 8 days old > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf > /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example > ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ > > kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 > kjones-sun2 X11 # ls > Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit > xorg.conf.example > kjones-sun2 X11 # > > ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # more > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x > org.conf > --More--(22%) > Section "ServerLayout" > --More--(22%) > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "extmod" > Load "dri" > Load "dbe" > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "glx" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Monitor Model" > > HorizSync 1-10000 > --More--(75%) > VertRefresh 1-10000 > > ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 > ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 > ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 > ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 > ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 > ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 > ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 > > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", > ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] > #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "vmware" > --More--(90%) > VendorName "VMWare Inc" > BoardName "Unknown Board" > BusID "PCI:0:15:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 4 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 15 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Thanks, Ken Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

This is an ancient OS.

by Ken Jones

John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". Could it be????? First kjones-sun [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST 2003 sparc64 unknow ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q Can't open display (null) ----------------no xorg.conf --------- [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm [root@kjones-sun X11]# There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. ==================================================== Now kjones-sun2 kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time zone mu st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q Can't open display kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 kjones-sun2 X11 # ls Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit xorg.conf.example kjones-sun2 X11 # ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- kjones-sun2 ~ # more /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x org.conf --More--(22%) Section "ServerLayout" --More--(22%) Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "dri" Load "dbe" Load "record" Load "xtrap" Load "glx" Load "type1" Load "freetype" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" HorizSync 1-10000 --More--(75%) VertRefresh 1-10000 ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: <i>: integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] Identifier "Card0" Driver "vmware" --More--(90%) VendorName "VMWare Inc" BoardName "Unknown Board" BusID "PCI:0:15:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Thanks, Ken Jones

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17

by Steven Greenberg

The issue with 60 Hz and the LCD was not flicker. I mentioned visual defects. I meant things like missing pixels. I had to use the analog connection because that was all that was available on the PC that I had just bought. I just looked at the setting now to see if I had really chosen 120 Hz which is still a harmonic of 60Hz. Unfortunately for looking at the setting, I moved three years ago from the house where the office had fluorescent lights. When I set up my computer again in the new house, I must have somehow gone back to the default 60 Hz. There are no fluorescent lights around and there are none of the visual defects I saw in the other house. When I brought my unit back to Fry's electronics they had no such problem in the store from the ceiling lights which were a good 15 or more feet away. They gave me a replacement anyway just to keep me happy. I had not even suspected fluorescent lights at that point. When I got the replacement home, it had the same problem as the first one. I was about to give up on Samsung in disgust when I asked around at work if anybody could figure out the problem. Our computer hardware support person mentioned the fluorescent light idea. I went home, changed the frequency and the problems disappeared. The fluorescent lights in my home office were probably only 4 feet from the LCD. The cause of the problem might have been something completely different, but I cannot come up with another explanation that fits the observations. Maybe I had sympathetic 60 Hz fluctuations from my neighbor's ham radio. Whatever was the cause, getting away from 60Hz seemed to be the solution. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by John Stoffel

Ken> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN Ken> ULTRA1 running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' Ken> problems. This time the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in Ken> cahoots. Ken> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have Ken> attached this monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. This is the 13W3 to VGA (HDB15) analog connector? Not the HDMI connector on the monitor? I've got a ton of Samsung 204Bs at work and they're nice to work on. Ken> It does not work!! The monitor flashes a little square window Ken> saying something about "Not optimum mode". It feels that it has Ken> not been configured correctly. The buttons on the right of the Ken> monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work with the Ken> SUN's is attached. Ken> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked Ken> fine with a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the Ken> old monitor to check whether it still works. I suspect it does.) Ken> Anybody have any ideas? Hmmm... if it was running Solaris I'd say take a look at the m64config command, but that's for Ultra 5/10 boxes. Basically, I think you need to force X to use a certain configuration. What does 'xrandr -query' say? Anything useful? Try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have a section like this, though you'll need to change the DEVICE from my old Matrox to whatever the Sun is really using. Section "Monitor" Identifier "Samsung LCD" HorizSync 60 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450" Monitor "Samsung LCD" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they > actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the > liquid crystal. > > I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... I have an LCD that uses LED backlighting, but it still has a refresh rate. > > -Randall > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. >> Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the >> phosphor pixels fade out. >> >> LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. >> >> I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all >> about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate >> is still only 24 or 30 Hz. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >>> wrote: >>> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >>> > >>> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >>> > fluorescent lights. >>> > >>> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >>> > to 120 Hz(I think). >>> >>> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >>> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >>> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >>> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich >>> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Randall Mason

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Vikuiti1/BrandProducts/secondar… And click on Navigation and choose "Backlight". -Randall On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they > actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the > liquid crystal. > > I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... > > -Randall > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. >> Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the >> phosphor pixels fade out. >> >> LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. >> >> I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all >> about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate >> is still only 24 or 30 Hz. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >>> wrote: >>> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >>> > >>> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >>> > fluorescent lights. >>> > >>> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >>> > to 120 Hz(I think). >>> >>> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >>> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >>> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >>> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich >>> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Randall Mason

I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the liquid crystal. I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... -Randall On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. > Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the > phosphor pixels fade out. > > LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. > > I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all > about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate > is still only 24 or 30 Hz. > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >> wrote: >> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> > >> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> > fluorescent lights. >> > >> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> > to 120 Hz(I think). >> >> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >> >> -- >> Rich >> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. > Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the > phosphor pixels fade out. > > LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. > > I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all > about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate > is still only 24 or 30 Hz. Interesting! > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >> wrote: >> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> > >> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> > fluorescent lights. >> > >> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> > to 120 Hz(I think). >> >> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >> >> -- >> Rich >> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Jim Dibb

I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the phosphor pixels fade out. LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate is still only 24 or 30 Hz. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> > wrote: > > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. > > > > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to > > fluorescent lights. > > > > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed > > to 120 Hz(I think). > > That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I > have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have > no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of > the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. > > -- > Rich > Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: >> I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> >> As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> fluorescent lights. >> >> I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> to 120 Hz(I think). > > That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I > have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have > no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of > the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. The only reason CRT flicker bothers the eye is because of the time it takes the electron guns to return to the top of the screen. Since LCDs don't have an electron gun (I think the whole screen refreshes at once), the flicker is not really noticeable since there is no waiting for the gun to reposition. > > -- > Rich > Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. > > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to > fluorescent lights. > > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed > to 120 Hz(I think). That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 20, 2009

getting rid of some monitors

by Jared Greenwald

I apologize in advance for spamming the list with my want ad. I need to get rid of some CRT monitors and am wondering if anyone on the list would be interested. They are as follows... 1x Gateway Vivitron (circa '95) 17" 1x Compaq MV940 19" 2x Digital re-branded Trinitron 21" (matched pair) The 19" and 21" monitors can each run at 1600x1200 and the 21s have dual input, which is nice. I used the 21s in a TwinView setup on my main Ubuntu-based workstation at home for years until I got a LCD last Christmas. I have power/video cables for all of them, so they are ready to roll. I had them up on craigslist to try and sell them, but haven't gotten any hits and it's just time to clear out the space. The catch is that you would need to come pick them up from me in Uxbridge. Please respond to me privately so we don't spam the list. Thanks, Jared Greenwald

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Steven Greenberg

I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to fluorescent lights. I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed to 120 Hz(I think). /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Ken Jones

The only reference I can find in the Samsung manual (a CD) is to linux running on a PC. I am not getting very far on the WEB either... Hmmmm. I can still get into my machines via HyperTerminal or putty, but I would prefer direct connection. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> To: <kjones(a)ziplink.net>; <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Cc: <kjones57(a)alum.mit.edu> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again. >> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 >> running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This >> time >> the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. >> >> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached >> this >> monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The >> monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not >> optimum >> mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons >> on >> the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work >> with the SUN's is attached. >> >> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine >> with >> a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check >> whether it still works. I suspect it does.) >> >> Anybody have any ideas? > > Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to > find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your > X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. > >> >> Ken Jones >> kjones(a)ziplink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 > 7:32 PM > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> The only reference I can find in the Samsung manual (a CD) is to linux > running on a PC. I am not getting very far on the WEB either... Hmmmm. I > can still get into my machines via HyperTerminal or putty, but I would > prefer direct connection. Well, if you can't find anything... if you're running the newest X11, you should be able to delete your xorg.conf and the driver should know what to do. If it doesn't, there could be something fishy with your dongle. > > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > To: <kjones(a)ziplink.net>; <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: <kjones57(a)alum.mit.edu> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again. > > >>> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 >>> running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This >>> time >>> the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. >>> >>> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached >>> this >>> monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The >>> monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not >>> optimum >>> mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons >>> on >>> the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work >>> with the SUN's is attached. >>> >>> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine >>> with >>> a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check >>> whether it still works. I suspect it does.) >>> >>> Anybody have any ideas? >> >> Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to >> find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your >> X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. >> >>> >>> Ken Jones >>> kjones(a)ziplink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 >> 7:32 PM >> >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Randall Mason

I would like the hacking books. Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Sebastian Courtney < sebastian.courtney(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately I must a tend a wake tonight so I will not make the meeting. > Feel free to disperse the books I wanted to others. > See you all at the next meeting, > Sebastian > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's yours! >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks >> > like nobody else has yet. >> > >> > >> >> Hacking / Security Books: >> >> "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. >> >> [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills >> >> Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) >> >> [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" >> > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" >> >> >> >> Math Books: >> >> [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. >> >> Rosen >> >> [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp >> >> [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" >> >> >> >> Misc: >> >> [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition >> >> [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" >> >> [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" >> >> "Database Systems" >> >> "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) >> >> [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum >> >> (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) >> >> [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) >> >> >> >> Programming Books: >> >> [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog >> eared) >> >> [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) >> >> "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" >> >> "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" >> >> "Virtual Reality Playhouse" >> >> "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) >> >> [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) >> >> "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) >> >> "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) >> >> [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) >> >> "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners >> >> guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) >> >> "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark >> Goodwin >> >> "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long >> >> gone) >> >> "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim. >> > -- >> > Eric Martin >> > Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com >> >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > Sebastian Courtney > WPI 2012 > ECE+RBE > 617-894-2460 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Ken Jones<kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 > running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time > the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. > > I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this > monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The > monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum > mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on > the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work > with the SUN's is attached. > > The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with > a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check > whether it still works. I suspect it does.) > > Anybody have any ideas? I assume you're using the analog input to the monitor rather than DVI. Is that the case? Either way, 60 Hz refresh is probably what you want for an LCD display. I think the analog input can tolerate other refresh rates, but DVI can only handle 60 Hz. We'd have to look at the monitor specs to figure out what other settings should be. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 > running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time > the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. > > I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this > monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The > monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum > mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on > the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work > with the SUN's is attached. > > The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with > a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check > whether it still works. I suspect it does.) > > Anybody have any ideas? Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. > > Ken Jones > kjones(a)ziplink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 20, 2009

Here I am begging again.

by Ken Jones

I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work with the SUN's is attached. The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check whether it still works. I suspect it does.) Anybody have any ideas? Ken Jones kjones(a)ziplink.net

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Sebastian Courtney

Unfortunately I must a tend a wake tonight so I will not make the meeting. Feel free to disperse the books I wanted to others. See you all at the next meeting, Sebastian On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's yours! > > > > On 8/15/09, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks > > like nobody else has yet. > > > > > >> Hacking / Security Books: > >> "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. > >> [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills > >> Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) > >> [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" > >> > >> Math Books: > >> [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. > >> Rosen > >> [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > >> [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" > >> > >> Misc: > >> [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition > >> [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" > >> [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" > >> "Database Systems" > >> "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) > >> [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum > >> (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) > >> [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > >> > >> Programming Books: > >> [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > >> [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) > >> "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" > >> "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" > >> "Virtual Reality Playhouse" > >> "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) > >> [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) > >> "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) > >> "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) > >> [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > >> "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners > >> guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) > >> "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin > >> "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long > >> gone) > >> "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim. > > -- > > Eric Martin > > Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F > > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Sebastian Courtney WPI 2012 ECE+RBE 617-894-2460

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry

by jbaillie＠netzero.com

I actually have played pong on a monitor like that back in my DEC daze. What's even more amusing is the paper tape loader to the right of the monitor. It sure relieved you of toggling in the boot loader. We would actually repair some of the paper tapes. jb ---------- Original Message ---------- From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:59:20 -0400 Good report by the BBC on development of UNIX. Has an interesting photo of a very old round green CRT monitor (in hexagonal case) at a workstation http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm Enjoy, Liz J _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ____________________________________________________________ Just drop it. Click here for free information on weight loss surgery! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxRbzrvjPpExUGZMIb6GPtO…

Aug. 20, 2009

Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry

by E Johnson

Good report by the BBC on development of UNIX. Has an interesting photo of a very old round green CRT monitor (in hexagonal case) at a workstation http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm Enjoy, Liz J

Aug. 20, 2009