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Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Adam Gomes

I too retain a fondness for VMS. Which is why, even though I had Debian running on my VaxStation 3100, I still went back to OpenVMS (despite the need to buy an annual software license). On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > > Cheers from South Woostuh! > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) >> 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) >> 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 >> From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> >> Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study >> and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> >> I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated >> Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" >> files. Hurray!! >> >> Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> Ken Jones >> >> >> >> ======= >> Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> http://www.pctools.com/ >> ======= >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 >> From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >> >> > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to >> > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. >> > >> > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 >> > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my >> > old "lost" files. Hurray!! >> > >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> >> 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to >> get one that can boot. >> >> You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. >> It even has a working version of Ken's chess. >> >> If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into >> the 21st century. >> >> > >> > Ken Jones >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ======= >> > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >> > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) >> > http://www.pctools.com >> > ======= >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 >> From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: >> > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? >> No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 >> *********************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by Richard Klein

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:28 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT > career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for > an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last > version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love > Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. > Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in > Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including > computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a > sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with > that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. > I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo > development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. > Cheers from South Woostuh! I think DEC had a big facility along route 70 in Lancaster (near route 2) that was sold to Mass. Youth Soccer. That's right near Leominster. -- Rich

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9

by David Hardy

I don't have any old DEC equipment anymore, but I started my so-called IT career on a PDP-11 out in gorgeous Gardner, MA back in 1986. It ran RSX for an engineering CAD/CAM shop and we also had a VAX 780 running VMS 3.5. Last version of VMS I've worked with was 7.1, right here in Wormtown. I love Linux but I have to say I also was in love with VMS. Rumor had it, back in '89, that there was a field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster, where DEC had dumped loads and loads of equipment, including computers, printers, cables, you-name-it. One of my operators when I was a sys admin at DEC Marlborough at that time had his front yard filled with that stuff, and the weather allegedly had no effect on any of it. I would imagine by now that the field, if it ever existed, is now a condo development or a semi-abandoned strip mall. Cheers from South Woostuh! On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Jorden Mauro) > 3. Re: Success - antique linux on antique SPARC (Doug Chamberlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 22:02:40 -0400 > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <94F4CAE4ED0C4AC0BB1660AF1C3A9586@kjonespc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study > and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan > 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. > Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > Ken Jones > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100518/2c82159f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:35:45 -0400 > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: "<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <52DB5519-B9DE-47AE-9DC6-FE7E2899906A(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > > > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > > 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to > get one that can boot. > > You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. > It even has a working version of Ken's chess. > > If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into > the 21st century. > > > > > Ken Jones > > > > > > > > > > > > ======= > > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > > http://www.pctools.com > > ======= > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/0644a5bb/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:09:12 -0400 > From: Doug Chamberlin <dougchamberlin(a)earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4BF3D4E8.9080303(a)earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? > No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20100519/9ba9f378/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 79, Issue 9 > *********************************** >

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/18/2010 10:02 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? No, but I have two Dec Alpha systems looking for a good home.

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Jorden Mauro

On May 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to > study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. > > I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 > dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my > old "lost" files. Hurray!! > > Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? 'fraid even the computer history museum is still looking for parts to get one that can boot. You can run v7 Unix in a special pdp11 VM for old time sake, though. It even has a working version of Ken's chess. If anyone knows PDP assembly, I'd love to see that program ported into the 21st century. > > Ken Jones > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) > http://www.pctools.com > ======= > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 19, 2010

Success - antique linux on antique SPARC

by Ken Jones

I tried and tried. I fdisk'd. I setenv'd boot-device. I tried to study and learn. GENTOO just would not stick. I found in my CD pile a five disk set of AURORA 2.4.20-2.3sparc64 dated Jan 15, 2003. It installed. It does KDE. I can see all my old "lost" files. Hurray!! Anybody have a DEC PDP10 for us senior citizens to play with? Ken Jones ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by William Smith

Note to self: Don't drink coffee at laptop when reading messages like these... :\ On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Mike Peckar <fog(a)fognet.com> wrote: > This sparked my curiosity, so I looked up the original list price for the HP > 9000 J210 running HPUX someone on this list gave me nearly 10 years ago (and > I still use occasionally). I found specs for a similar unit that had half as > much disk (2GB), only one 120MHZ CPU vs. the 2 on mine and 1/4 the RAM > (64MB)... That beast listed for $85,380 in 1996. > > Wow indeed. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Bill Smith Fall River, MA

May 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Progress - hardware issues...

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 05:00:28PM -0400, Ken Jones wrote: > I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I > have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I > try to boot to it. Aurora has become part of the Fedora "secondary architectures" project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/SPARC

May 13, 2010

Progress - hardware issues...

by Ken Jones

Again, Thank you all for being there. My SUN ULTRA 1 Creator had some hardware problems. Its CDROM reader was intermittent. That explained the problem getting GENTOO liveCD disks to work. Now, I have three GENTOO liveCD's. They all boot. ------------------------ One has a printed label. I must have gotten in by snail mail. The label says: GENTOO Linux/2004/sparc64/CD1 Sparc64 Installation Disc 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.4-gentoo-r2 (I think) Inside is documentation. The most recent date is July 2004. ----------------------------- install-sparc64-minimal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- install-sparc64-universal-2006.1.iso 'uname' says it too is: liveCD 2.6.17-gentoo-r5 ----------------------------- I fail to see the difference between the minimal and the universal versions once they are installed. I want a 'real' installation. Not one running off my cdrom drive. I thought that somehow these minimal and universal versions would show me the way. I used to run Aurora, but the old mirror sights seem to have disappeared. I have my old five CD aurora disc set, but the CD drive coughs it out when I try to boot to it. I have saved the files on that hard drive that I had been using as a server. I would like to get the ULTRA running GNOME or KDE, but I am getting a bit lost. A suggestion would be appreciated. Ken

May 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by James Gray

As you might expect WPI has directions available online. http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/directions.html http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html I've parked several different WPI parking lots and never received any sort of ticket during the evening. (I did get one when I came to hear RMS speak, which was during the day). We usually meet in building H (Morgan Hall) on the campus map. There is a field up and to the right of that building on the map you can see it is criss-crossed by walk ways. There are parking spaces along the perimeter of this field. I usually park here there are usually a few free spaces. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:59 AM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > Could somebody provide an address/parking advice and how to get to the > Morgan Hall? > > Today's topic looks like it might be worth the drive. I have not been > to a meeting yet. > > > On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:06 -0400, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: >> Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. >> >> On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at >> > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. >> > >> > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest >> > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology >> > (SSDs): >> > >> > A Complete Guide to SSDs >> > >> > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage >> > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of >> > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling >> > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional >> > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the >> > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to >> > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance >> > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system >> > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to >> > some frequently asked questions. >> > >> > I look forward to seeing you there, >> > Chuck >> > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug@mail">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Could somebody provide an address/parking advice and how to get to the Morgan Hall? Today's topic looks like it might be worth the drive. I have not been to a meeting yet. On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:06 -0400, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. > > On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at > > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > > > > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest > > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology > > (SSDs): > > > > A Complete Guide to SSDs > > > > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage > > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of > > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling > > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional > > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the > > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to > > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance > > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system > > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to > > some frequently asked questions. > > > > I look forward to seeing you there, > > Chuck > > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug@mail">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

May 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] I finally got the GEntoo liveCD running.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 23:40:08 Ken Jones wrote: > It took me three hours to figure out that at the ok prompt I am meant to > write: > > ok boot cdrom > boot: gentoo-2.4 seems to me that this is spelled out clearly in the sparc handbook: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-sparc.xml?part=1&chap=2 -mike

May 12, 2010

I finally got the GEntoo liveCD running.

by Ken Jones

It took me three hours to figure out that at the ok prompt I am meant to write: ok boot cdrom boot: gentoo-2.4 But I am started! Ken

May 12, 2010

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi folks, > > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology > (SSDs): > > A Complete Guide to SSDs > > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to > some frequently asked questions. > > I look forward to seeing you there, > Chuck > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Boy an I out-of-it

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 18:10:33 Ken Jones wrote: > It is now running Gentoo's bash. Bash has so few commands that I am > feeling helpless. When I try a BOOT from DISC to my gentoo liveCD. The > machine just ejects the disc. bash has very few builtins. most everything is an external command. i think you're confusing these things. > I have eth0 working, but bash does not have a ssh command. Nor is there a > demon sshd lying around. There is no 'locate' command. There is no 'find' > command. these programs are either not in your $PATH, or they arent installed. bash really has nothing to do with it -- it largely just searches your $PATH for the command you typed. Gentoo installs a busybox rescue shell by default which includes a lot of networking type commands. you can access it by running `bb` or `busybox <command>`. > I am very much missing something. What? i really dont know what you're trying to do. if you're having sparc troubles, there's a Gentoo sparc e-mail list and irc channel where sparc peeps hang out. -mike

May 11, 2010

Boy an I out-of-it

by Ken Jones

WLUG folks-> I got my ULTRA1 Creator up and running. I accomplished this by taking my original (Aurora) hard drive out of slot 1 and reinstalled the hard drive that had been there in the first place. When I had the Aurora in slot 1 everything booted and looked perfect for X Windows, but then in the last step it crashed. It is now running Gentoo's bash. Bash has so few commands that I am feeling helpless. When I try a BOOT from DISC to my gentoo liveCD. The machine just ejects the disc. I have eth0 working, but bash does not have a ssh command. Nor is there a demon sshd lying around. There is no 'locate' command. There is no 'find' command. I am very much missing something. What? I now feel challenged. Ken

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:27:45 Ken Jones wrote: > I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. > > I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. > Even longer since I have bash'd. > > My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which > I do not like. > > Where is that defined? when your current terminal ($TERM) matches a valid entry in your /etc/DIR_COLORS database (or ~/.dir_colors), Gentoo's global bashrc will set up LS_COLORS via `dircolors` as well as create an ls alias that enables colors by default. easiest thing is to create your own ls alias in ~/.bashrc or simply unalias it echo 'unalias ls 2>/dev/null || :' >> ~/.bashrc -mike

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Brett Russ

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which > I do not like. > > Where is that defined? Quick fix to verify is try these commands: alias ls # will show if it's using an alias which forces colors unalias ls # will disable it in the current shell -BR

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Clint Moyer

I think you're talking about environmental variable LS_COLORS. ---- Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: ============= I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Clint Moyer

I think you're talking about environmental variable LS_COLORS. ---- Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: ============= I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Strazdas, Rich

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Ls should help. Scroll down to Customize colors. It's been a while since I've dealt with this, too! Rich Strazdas -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:28 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5 I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Warning, information subject to export control laws. The information contained within this email may be subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). This information shall not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals inside or outside the United States without first complying with the export authorization requirements of the ITAR and/or the EAR. This e-mail message is generated from Coghlin Companies Inc. or one of its subsidiaries including, but not limited to, Columbia Electrical Contractors, Inc. d/b/a Columbia Tech; DCI Automation, Inc.d/b/a DCI Engineering Services; Cogmedix, Inc.; and Coghlin Precision, Inc. This message may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL, and may also possibly contain information that is being held as a Trade Secret. The information is intended to be disclosed solely to the addressee(s). If you are the intended recipient, any information herein is to be held as CONFIDENTIAL pursuant to any Non-Disclosure Agreement applicable between the parties, or as a Trade Secret as applicable. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your computer system.

May 11, 2010

2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Ken Jones

I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by Mike Peckar

This sparked my curiosity, so I looked up the original list price for the HP 9000 J210 running HPUX someone on this list gave me nearly 10 years ago (and I still use occasionally). I found specs for a similar unit that had half as much disk (2GB), only one 120MHZ CPU vs. the 2 on mine and 1/4 the RAM (64MB)... That beast listed for $85,380 in 1996. Wow indeed. Mike

May 10, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I identify the DSIMM sizes?

by Ken Jones

NEVER MIND - I got it. 501-2622 is a 32Meg DSIMM. I found it in microprint on a card and I found it referenced in the ULTRA1 Creator Service Manual Thanks for being there. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: How do I identify the DSIMM sizes? There seems to be no identification markings on the DSIMM cards. I know they come in 4Meg and 16Meg sizes (at least). I have two kinds of cards. One has all 18 memory DIPs on one side. The other has ten on one side and eight on the other. The SUN Service Manuals give not hint on identifying anything. (Even the model of the whole unit as far as I can figure.) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: OMG this thing was expensive Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 10, 2010

How do I identify the DSIMM sizes?

by Ken Jones

There seems to be no identification markings on the DSIMM cards. I know they come in 4Meg and 16Meg sizes (at least). I have two kinds of cards. One has all 18 memory DIPs on one side. The other has ten on one side and eight on the other. The SUN Service Manuals give not hint on identifying anything. (Even the model of the whole unit as far as I can figure.) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: OMG this thing was expensive Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 10, 2010