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Re: LLM's and graphical interfaces.

by John Stoffel

I'm on the jitsi.org meeting, but the only one right now. More are welcome to join Tim and I! Tim is running late...

June 13, 2024

Re: LLM's and graphical interfaces.

by John Stoffel

Thanks for sending out this info Jansen, now to find time to actually play with this stuff! > (can this email address be added to the mailing list?) > the self-hosted webui i use is here: > https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui > ollama! > https://github.com/ollama/ollama > here's the docker for ollama: > https://hub.docker.com/r/ollama/ollama > On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:32 PM Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Date: Tue, May 14, 2024, 4:49 PM > Subject: [WLUG] LLM's and graphical interfaces. > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > A couple meetings ago Jansen showed up a really cool graphical interface for LLM. > Does anybody remember what it was? > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XVOQB… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4ZQIW…

June 13, 2024

Reminder: Meeting June 13th 2024 at 7PM! Topic: Your own personal LLM!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting tomorrow!! Date/Time: June 13th 2024 @ 7pm. Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St, 6th floor, Worcester MA. Virtual Location: (back to the old haunt) https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA <https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA> Considering how much AI has been in the news, I thought it would be cool to do a talk/demo about setting up your own personal Large Language Model! I'll either use my laptop of scrounge up a piece of good enough hardware to show it off.. hell I could even spin up a droplet and run it somewhere.. we'll figure that out. Jansen sent me some links to the cool stuff he uses and I'll definitely be leaning on his expertise and others. Here's what he wrote: the self-hosted webui i use is here: https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui ollama! https://github.com/ollama/ollama here's the docker for ollama: https://hub.docker.com/r/ollama/ollama I've experimented with the ollama models and they're cool. As usual we'll nerd out, wrestle with some LLM stuff and have a great time. Afterwards we'll head off to the Boyton or somewhere else for some dinner and keep the geekery in full swing. I'll bring some snacks and refreshments as well. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 12, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by Gregory Boyce

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 6:01 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 2:42 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >> Currently we're having issues getting the Turing Pi 2 to boot, so > >> doing a show off of Proxmox I could definitely do as well. > > > I'ev got proxmox running at owkr with some basic VMs on it for > > testing. I might be able to show it off doing some basic stuff like > > live migrations. > > > I recently switched my home server to proxmox, and I've been > > spending time using terraform and packer to build and deploy VMs. > > Are you running a cluster or just one system? I've got a three node > cluster at $WORK, but thinking of looking at their SCALE product. But > of course while VMware is going to shaft us pricewise, the manglement > might not want to leave the devil they know. Just a single system at the moment. Another issue is deploying OVA files. I find that ProxMOX is a pain > in terms of .iso and .ova files, you need to first add them into it's > own repository, then you can deploy from them. VMware just lets you > browse for the files and deploy. > Yeah, that makes sense. The interface isn't especially user friendly either. It takes me a while to remember where the interface for uploading ISO files is whenever I need to use it. That's one thing that Scale Computing does well. The interface for uploading images is pretty straightforward, and it will convert images from various formats for you automatically. Other than the current lack of support for compressed images. > Though I also admit that .ova deployments can be annoyingly tough, but > I'm running VCenter 7.0.x and a mix of ESXi 6.7 and 7.0 on my > systems. Legacy hardware which I can't move up. Another reason to > hate vendor designed stuff, it locks you in. > > > I'd be happy to share code if anyone is interested. > > Please do! > This is very much a work in progress as I work on learning the tools. https://gitlab.com/techstoa/proxmox -- Greg

June 11, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> writes: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 2:42 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >> Currently we're having issues getting the Turing Pi 2 to boot, so >> doing a show off of Proxmox I could definitely do as well. > I'ev got proxmox running at owkr with some basic VMs on it for > testing. I might be able to show it off doing some basic stuff like > live migrations. > I recently switched my home server to proxmox, and I've been > spending time using terraform and packer to build and deploy VMs. Are you running a cluster or just one system? I've got a three node cluster at $WORK, but thinking of looking at their SCALE product. But of course while VMware is going to shaft us pricewise, the manglement might not want to leave the devil they know. Another issue is deploying OVA files. I find that ProxMOX is a pain in terms of .iso and .ova files, you need to first add them into it's own repository, then you can deploy from them. VMware just lets you browse for the files and deploy. Though I also admit that .ova deployments can be annoyingly tough, but I'm running VCenter 7.0.x and a mix of ESXi 6.7 and 7.0 on my systems. Legacy hardware which I can't move up. Another reason to hate vendor designed stuff, it locks you in. > I'd be happy to share code if anyone is interested. Please do!

June 10, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by Gregory Boyce

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 2:42 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Currently we're having issues getting the Turing Pi 2 to boot, so > > doing a show off of Proxmox I could definitely do as well. > > I'ev got proxmox running at owkr with some basic VMs on it for > testing. I might be able to show it off doing some basic stuff like > live migrations. > I recently switched my home server to proxmox, and I've been spending time using terraform and packer to build and deploy VMs. I'd be happy to share code if anyone is interested. >

June 10, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "soup" == soup via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I suspect that now that Broadcom is releasing their new ARM CPU and MS is shipping windows on it, there will be alot more ARM based boards out there, and they should be pretty good for running linux. In my use case though, I'd be happy to run on ARM for my personal email hosting and simple web stuff, but it's the memory that's the killer. I want to get a Linode with more RAM (1gb just doesn't cut it when you try to run rspam...) so I can run postfix/dovecot/rspam and all the other stuff you need for doing email well these days. Stuff like setting up keys, DMARC, SPF, signing outgoing emails, re-signing forwarded emails, etc. It's honestly getting pretty damn tough to run your own mail server well these days. > Damn that's some metal. Pricing is up there for a workstation > though. It'll drop hopefully, especially with Win11 ARM on the > horizon. Much obliged for the info. > --- > soup > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:19 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots > of PCI slots, etc. > https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-fast… > Tim. > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a > few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. > The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with > running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware > security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but > considering their business model I don't see that ever happening. > On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was > first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as > simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines > for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than > intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. > If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch > and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing > how it'd work for you. > --- > soup > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Keith, > It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. > worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the > meeting. > Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to > the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops. > As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. > "ollama" is just one of them. > No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. > Tim. > On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server >> but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. > I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver > interface. > At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, > but I plan to do it. >> If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it! > I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but > the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. > ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous > article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last > thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing > Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end > of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? > The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics > cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if > you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to > do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, > or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your > licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or > how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of > Connecticut."? > -- Keith > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BUVOG…

June 10, 2024

Re: Hey Everybody! WLUG Meeting this week!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Currently we're having issues getting the Turing Pi 2 to boot, so > doing a show off of Proxmox I could definitely do as well. I'ev got proxmox running at owkr with some basic VMs on it for testing. I might be able to show it off doing some basic stuff like live migrations. > I've got a three node setup as well as a backup node running at > work, but I don't have anything on it that I couldn't show the > world. Mine is strictly testing without anything it use that anyone could care about. I haven't spent that much time playing with it.

June 10, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by soup

Damn that's some metal. Pricing is up there for a workstation though. It'll drop hopefully, especially with Win11 ARM on the horizon. Much obliged for the info. --- soup On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 4:19 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're > awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc. > > > https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-fast… > > Tim. > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick >> look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs >> bundled. >> The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel >> machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins >> the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be >> amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business >> model I don't see that ever happening. >> >> On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when >> AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over >> early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. >> Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, >> similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster >> than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine >> it's better still. >> If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have >> been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., >> definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. >> >> --- >> soup >> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Keith, >>> >>> It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of >>> users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being >>> able to get into the meeting. >>> >>> Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely >>> brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm >>> desktops. >>> >>> As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are >>> shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. >>> No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi >>>> server >>>> > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. >>>> >>>> I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver >>>> interface. >>>> >>>> At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, >>>> but I plan to do it. >>>> >>>> > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for >>>> it! >>>> >>>> I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but >>>> the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. >>>> ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous >>>> article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last >>>> thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing >>>> Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end >>>> of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? >>>> >>>> The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics >>>> cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if >>>> you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to >>>> do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, >>>> or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your >>>> licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or >>>> how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of >>>> Connecticut."? >>>> >>>> -- Keith >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

June 9, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by Tim Keller

In my data center I've got a bunch of Ampere ARM servers and they're awesome. U.2 NVME, lots of PCI slots, etc. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/everything-ive-learned-building-fast… Tim. On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 1:51 PM soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick > look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs > bundled. > The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel > machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins > the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be > amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business > model I don't see that ever happening. > > On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when > AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over > early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. > Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, > similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster > than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine > it's better still. > If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have > been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., > definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. > > --- > soup > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Keith, >> >> It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of >> users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being >> able to get into the meeting. >> >> Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely >> brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm >> desktops. >> >> As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are >> shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. >> No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> >> wrote: >> >>> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi >>> server >>> > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. >>> >>> I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver >>> interface. >>> >>> At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, >>> but I plan to do it. >>> >>> > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for >>> it! >>> >>> I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but >>> the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. >>> ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous >>> article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last >>> thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing >>> Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end >>> of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? >>> >>> The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics >>> cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if >>> you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to >>> do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, >>> or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your >>> licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or >>> how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of >>> Connecticut."? >>> >>> -- Keith >>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 7, 2024

Corrigendum

by Keith Wright

> "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use > it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will > be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."? Correction: Delaware. It's just a joke, but it's been bothering me that I fumbled the punchline. I checked to make sure I spelled the state right, but forgot that Delaware is where corporations go when they want to buy a government. > Nvidia Corporation is an American multinational corporation and > technology company headquartered in Santa Clara, California, and > incorporated in Delaware. --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia Strange coincidence. Just an unincorporated person, -- Keith

June 7, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by soup

Are there any shipping ARM boards/chips for the consumer market? Quick look just shows a few ATX server boards with, relatively, ancient ARMs bundled. The stuff Apple is shipping has the same T2 "problem" the later intel machines have with running linux, it's kind of a pain, delicate, and ruins the point of having the hardware security in the first place. It'd be amazing if they'd work on 1st party support but considering their business model I don't see that ever happening. On the server side, I'm loving ARM. I saw the revolution coming back when AWS Graviton was first announced. Pushed a lot of things at work over early. With go binaries it's as simple as a compile flag. Graviton2 offerings were ~1/3 off the equivalent intel machines for EC2, similar discount for lambda. For some of our workloads they were faster than intel too. Haven't had occasion to test the grav3 stuff but I imagine it's better still. If you've got things in interpreted language, go, or projects that have been cross-arch and stable a while- mariadb, postgresql, nginx, et al., definitely would suggest seeing how it'd work for you. --- soup On Fri, Jun 7, 2024 at 12:20 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Keith, > > It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of > users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being > able to get into the meeting. > > Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely > brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm > desktops. > > As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly > amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. > No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi >> server >> > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. >> >> I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver >> interface. >> >> At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, >> but I plan to do it. >> >> > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for >> it! >> >> I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but >> the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. >> ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous >> article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last >> thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing >> Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end >> of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? >> >> The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics >> cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if >> you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to >> do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, >> or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your >> licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or >> how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of >> Connecticut."? >> >> -- Keith >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K35PA… >

June 7, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by Tim Keller

Keith, It wasn't just you. It seems that it maxes out at some low number of users.. why.. worth investigating, but not at the expense of people being able to get into the meeting. Yeah, ARM for linux has been the "hotness" for a while. Pi definitely brought it to the forefront, but now more and more there are viable arm desktops. As for the AI, there are some FOSS solutions out there that are shockingly amazing. "ollama" is just one of them. No need to pay NVidia for AMD for the privilege. Tim. On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 1:58 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi > server > > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. > > I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver > interface. > > At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, > but I plan to do it. > > > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it! > > I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but > the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. > ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous > article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last > thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing > Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end > of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? > > The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics > cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if > you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to > do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, > or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your > licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or > how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of > Connecticut."? > > -- Keith > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 7, 2024

Re: We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server > but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. I think part of the problem was with my micophone to webserver interface. At this point I am thinking of this more as a test than a meeting, but I plan to do it. > If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it! I haven't been paying a lot of attention to the latest hardware, but the radio said something about ARM processor that caught my attention. ARM means rasberry pi means Linux, no? Wikipedia has an enormous article (the Citations alone are 11 pages two column) but the last thing on the page seems to say that Wine is no longer for playing Windows games on Linux, but that MS needs it to prop up the ass end of their sorry operating system. Is the monopoly gone? The radio also speaks of Nvidia. They sell those Invidious graphics cards. The ones that need special secret drivers that only work if you have the right *.dll? It seems that everyone now needs them to do Artifical Intelligence (all rise). Have they changed their attitude, or is it like: "Here's your AI. Pay the monthly bill to retain your licence to use it. Any attempt to try to find out what it does or how it works will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law of Connecticut."? -- Keith

June 6, 2024

We've got a meeting next week on the 13th!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting next week! Note, I won't be using our own Jitsi server but going to back to the old one since we've had so many issues. If there's a topic that people would like us to tackle, I'd be up for it! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 5, 2024

Re: Windows 11 wife tech support - replacement for Veracrypt

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "joel" == joel d via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Work laptop and she wants access to files regardless of location > (work, home, road). Maybe a locked down WebDAV thing instead? > I tried Proton drive for 15 minutes this week. As a secure file > storage drive, it works. Tested it with a PDF file and could not > click on PDF to open file in any PDF viewer. I guess its secure, > but not ready for wife. She would just start copying files > elsewhere in C: to get things done, making any security foolishly > pointless. I don't see how she's going to make it work on her work laptop if they don't let her run any .exe files at all on there. Unless the web client allows you to drag and drop files on/off their setup. > Still considering wife support options. I know how it it! :-) One reason why I have limited automation at home.... > Thinking currently about a hybrid option. > Lots of these files in laptop C: drive folders, unsecured, fast and easy. Good for prior work at > prior companies, most word, spreadsheet PowerPoint, pics, etc. > Then certain "precious" files on a fast USB thumb drive at home > (resume, anything with taxes, income, ID or social). It all depends on how anal her $WORK is and how effectively they've locked down things. From the sounds of it, you really need to be looking at a pure web based solution. Maybe even a remote desktop. It's not something I've had to do though... But I do have a $WORK latop which won't let me use thumb drives without using bitlocker on it, which makes it a pain to trasfer files to linux systems. And what I see is painful. But maybe a bitlocker thumb drive which holds a copy of important file. Or maybe she can do somrhing on her phone instead?

June 4, 2024

Re: Flipping pages: new nftable vulnerabilities found..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I suspect new patches are in the words even now.. > https://pwning.tech/nftables/ So how many people are using nftables on regular systems, instead of just the firewall? I admit I run OPNsense as my FW. So I should patch it just in case.

June 4, 2024

Re: Windows 11 wife tech support - replacement for Veracrypt

by joel d

Work laptop and she wants access to files regardless of location (work, home, road). I tried Proton drive for 15 minutes this week. As a secure file storage drive, it works. Tested it with a PDF file and could not click on PDF to open file in any PDF viewer. I guess its secure, but not ready for wife. She would just start copying files elsewhere in C: to get things done, making any security foolishly pointless. Still considering wife support options. Thinking currently about a hybrid option. Lots of these files in laptop C: drive folders, unsecured, fast and easy. Good for prior work at prior companies, most word, spreadsheet PowerPoint, pics, etc. Then certain "precious" files on a fast USB thumb drive at home (resume, anything with taxes, income, ID or social). Joel On June 2, 2024 11:23:34 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does she have to be able to access these files while at work or just at home? > > I was just looking at Proton Drive and I think it's the right solution to > her problem. > > Tim. > > > > > > > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 8:00 PM joel d via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > Haven't been able to make a LUG meeting in a few months. Hope all are well. > > > I know it's not the focus of WLUG, but have a Windows based, wife tech > support issue. > > > She is in Finance, not technology, and therefore only uses Windows 11 > laptop provided by her employer. > > > For years she has had a TrueCrypt, and now a VeraCrypt drive she uses for > 'eyes only' stuff like resume and private personal item's. > > > Her new employer locks down Windows, not allowing running of an EXE or MSI > without an admin password. So I cannot continue trend running Veracrypt as > either installed or as Veracrypt portable. > > > Size of files to secure is reasonable at about 550MB today. > > > I am not a fan of USB thumb drives for data reliability long term. To many > LT flaky or dropped in puddles. > > > I am thinking an encrypted Internet Drive setup, something like Proton > Drive or similar. > > > Any known Windows options for me to try for my wife? > > > Thank you, > Joel > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ISYAQ… > > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers".

June 2, 2024

Re: Flipping pages: new nftable vulnerabilities found..

by Doug Mildram

dmildram> Surprised this seems a relatively NEW BUG as opposed to an OLD BUG/vulnerability NEWly discovered. Reading just a bit of the link Tim sent, where it says under Affected kernels, it seems feasable that all versions from atleast (including) v5.14.21 to (including) v6.6.14 are exploitable, depending on the kconfig values (details below). This means that at the time of writing, the stable branches linux-5.15.y, linux-6.1.y, and linux-6.6.y are affected by this exploit, and perhaps linux-6.7.1 doug/dmildram> I feel safe on this! unless I'm mistaken with my aging 5.4.0 kernel on linux mint 20. Thanks for your looking out for us in general in wlug ! -doug $ uname -a Linux doug0-OptiPlex-990 5.4.0-73-generic #82-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 14 17:39:42 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ cat /etc/os-release NAME="Linux Mint" VERSION="20.1 (Ulyssa)" ID=linuxmint ID_LIKE=ubuntu PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 20.1" VERSION_ID="20.1" On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 11:34 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I suspect new patches are in the words even now.. > > https://pwning.tech/nftables/ > > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NUIH2… >

June 2, 2024

Flipping pages: new nftable vulnerabilities found..

by Tim Keller

I suspect new patches are in the words even now.. https://pwning.tech/nftables/ Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 2, 2024

Re: Windows 11 wife tech support - replacement for Veracrypt

by Tim Keller

Does she have to be able to access these files while at work or just at home? I was just looking at Proton Drive and I think it's the right solution to her problem. Tim. On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 8:00 PM joel d via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Haven't been able to make a LUG meeting in a few months. Hope all are > well. > > I know it's not the focus of WLUG, but have a Windows based, wife tech > support issue. > > She is in Finance, not technology, and therefore only uses Windows 11 > laptop provided by her employer. > > For years she has had a TrueCrypt, and now a VeraCrypt drive she uses for > 'eyes only' stuff like resume and private personal item's. > > Her new employer locks down Windows, not allowing running of an EXE or MSI > without an admin password. So I cannot continue trend running Veracrypt > as either installed or as Veracrypt portable. > > Size of files to secure is reasonable at about 550MB today. > > I am not a fan of USB thumb drives for data reliability long term. To > many LT flaky or dropped in puddles. > > I am thinking an encrypted Internet Drive setup, something like Proton > Drive or similar. > > Any known Windows options for me to try for my wife? > > Thank you, > Joel > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ISYAQ… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 2, 2024

Windows 11 wife tech support - replacement for Veracrypt

by joel d

Haven't been able to make a LUG meeting in a few months. Hope all are well. I know it's not the focus of WLUG, but have a Windows based, wife tech support issue. She is in Finance, not technology, and therefore only uses Windows 11 laptop provided by her employer. For years she has had a TrueCrypt, and now a VeraCrypt drive she uses for 'eyes only' stuff like resume and private personal item's. Her new employer locks down Windows, not allowing running of an EXE or MSI without an admin password. So I cannot continue trend running Veracrypt as either installed or as Veracrypt portable. Size of files to secure is reasonable at about 550MB today. I am not a fan of USB thumb drives for data reliability long term. To many LT flaky or dropped in puddles. I am thinking an encrypted Internet Drive setup, something like Proton Drive or similar. Any known Windows options for me to try for my wife? Thank you, Joel

May 27, 2024

Cool website that explains TLS really well!

by Tim Keller

A co-worker of mine recently forwarded along to me this site: https://tls12.xargs.org/#client-hello/annotated It's fantastic in that it *actually* explains TLS. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 24, 2024

Re: Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "soup" == soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> writes: > In that vein, there's vimwiki Heretic! Emacs is the one true editor! *grin* > https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki a markup DSL and some vimscript, > works, plaintext so still grepable (I'd suggest the_silver_searcher > over grep these days), will export to HTML Thanks for the pointer, it looks interesting. Though I have to admit that I mostly turn OFF syntax in VIM since it's so hard to read generally for me, especially the dark blues. But I turn off most colors in my putty/ssh sessions. John

May 22, 2024

Re: Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by soup

In that vein, there's vimwiki https://github.com/vimwiki/vimwiki a markup DSL and some vimscript, works, plaintext so still grepable (I'd suggest the_silver_searcher over grep these days), will export to HTML - soup On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 3:26 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Sadly no. I've looked at DokuWiki a couple of times. > > I've *run* dokuwiki and mediawiki for $WORK a couple of times... but > never used them in anger either. > > > The problem is this. I'm lazy. The lowest barrier to entry is simply > > a directory called "Notes" with a bunch of text files. Being text > > and using a unix-like system, I've got tools like grep to find > > stuff. > > Me too, I have *tons* of files will all kinds of notes and ideas. > Works great from a GUI login, and also works from an SSH text only > connection as well. > > > I figure the next lowest thing is some program that lets me take > > notes that I can then organize into some index and search against it > > as well. Beyond that now it becomes hosted somewhere, etc. > > I keep wanting to learn 'org-mode' in emacs. But I never get there. > > What I do use is a little header lines in emacs and a setup where it > updates the date whenver I save the file. This way I know when I last > edited the file (inside emacs at least) which is a great way to keep > on top of things. > > I'd be happy to share with what I do in emacs. > > John > > > > On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 10:35 AM Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Tim, > > > I might have missed it, but I'm curious if you came to any > conclusions about these tools. > > > thanks, > > Mike > > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 9:31 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > At last night's meeting, a new attendee brought up a problem she > was having and one of the > > solutions that got bandied about was Joplin. > > > After doing some research, this might be my new note taking app. > > Another very interesting FOSS tool out there is called "Trilium" > > https://github.com/zadam/trilium > > > As much as I like google's keep.. I'm fully aware that google > capable of just pulling the > > rug out from under me in a moment's notice. > > > I've spun up U22.04.3 server and I'm going to tinker with Joplin > and possibly Trilium and > > let people know what I think of them. > > > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > their constituents as > > "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UDTAP… > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/K6235… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RXUAL… >

May 21, 2024