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Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Frank Rizzo

I agree that the install might not be quite as user friendly as a Mandrake or SuSe, but if you're thinking about using Gentoo you should also think about using Slackware. Like I said before - it's a pretty straight forward distro, you get out of it what you put into it. Great for learning, IMO. On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:39:53AM -0400, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). > > Chuck > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Training

by Martin, Eric

I agree. HOWTOs have taught me the most out of everything. I'd say take the money that you'd pay for training, and get a few ORA (O'Reilly & Assoc.) books, cd rom bookshelves, or maybe even a Subscription to safari. Reading and doing is my best way. Eric -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:54 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at > Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to > have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training > and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for > your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

I want to structure it as a more beginners class, more desktop type stuff than shell scripting. Targetting towards regular users who are frustrated with Word, getting virii left and right, etc. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Robert [mailto:arobert@dhcp-0-7-e9-bc-5c-fc.cpe.townisp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question Is this course as much about learning Unix/Linux commands or the distribution itself? I believe that virtually any Linux distribution could be a good choice if you are spending most of your time discussing how to use the command line and general administrative tasks. Once the command line basics and bash shell scripting is covered, specific distributions could be covered. I would then say that Fedora or Suse are good general choices. Slackware is good too but it is not necessarily for a new user. On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 09:04, Martin, Eric wrote: I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? Eric _____ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321

Aug. 18, 2004

Linux Training

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at Solaris > but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. > I can't afford to have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for > formal training and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? > Thanks for your help. > Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > >

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by frank p

> disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? > Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something > freesoftware / opensource. I've often used qtparted for resizing winXP and win2k partitions without problem. What's also nice about it is the availability of a bootable rescue CD with this utility: www.sysresccd.org -frank p

Aug. 18, 2004

Linux Training

by Mark Eaton

We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training and that's about all I've found other than "buy our CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

Awesome! Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Waite [mailto:linwoes@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run > linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid > that problem). Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free > software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I > want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, > but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. > > Eric > Eric, qtparted works great. There is a good HOWTO on the web, whose URL escapes me, that exaplains you to resize NTFS partitions and also recover if something goes wrong. I have resized 2 WinXP disks with any problems. Thanks Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife > > with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, > > but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something > > easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the > > linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to > > get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. > > A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to > > suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that > > linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would > > people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > Eric > > HI Eric, > > Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard > drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's > actually a good thing! > > I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education > program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives > (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it > has worked out rather well. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC > 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= > =yCuv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid that problem). Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > Eric HI Eric, Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's actually a good thing! I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it has worked out rather well. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= =yCuv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run linux > on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid that problem). > Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free software packages for > disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? > Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something > freesoftware / opensource. > > Eric > Eric, qtparted works great. There is a good HOWTO on the web, whose URL escapes me, that exaplains you to resize NTFS partitions and also recover if something goes wrong. I have resized 2 WinXP disks with any problems. Thanks Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > Eric > > HI Eric, > > Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard drive > contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's actually a > good thing! > > I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education program, and > I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives (shucks...). So, > I > stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it has worked out rather > well. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC > 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= > =yCuv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Frank Rizzo

> > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. -Joe

Aug. 18, 2004