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Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Justin St. Marie

If you've got 7 drives I would go with RAID 6 over 5. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Jeff Artz <junk_inbox(a)verizon.net> wrote: > >Jeff> I've got 7 drives just as individual drives directly attached > >Jeff> via SATA ports. Each drive is mounted individually, and I use > >Jeff> the "Storage Groups" feature in MythTV, which spreads the > >Jeff> recordings across all the drives pretty evenly. ;-) > > > >Interesting, no RAID. Did you do this for ease of expansion, so you > >just add a new disk and Myth simply starts using it? And I assume you > >don't care if you lose 150+ programs at a go if a disk dies, right? > > I ran a Raid5 of 6 500GB drives for a couple of years. But then I had a > drive that was starting to fail, so I had bought a replacement, and had > powered down my system to replace the bad drive. Well, when I did that, a > 2nd drive went DOA with the 'click-of-death'. No amount of recovery > attempts brought things back to life, so there I was with 2.5TB of Raid5'd > recordings gone.... > > So I re-built using Individual drives and Storage Groups. Now if I were to > lose a drive or two, I only lose SOME of my recordings, not everything. > > >Of course I'm running on a Tivo Premiere with a single disk so I'm > >toast too if it dies. I need to crack my case one day and make a > >backup... > > I used to 'backup' my DishPlayer 7200's back in the day... but it's much > easier with MythTV. ;-) > > >I'm also using a Cable Card and a Cisco interface box because Tivo > >doesn't support the latest two way cable card standard. And that > >Cisco box keeps crapping out randomly and requires a reboot. Better > > So this is basically an 'external tuner' for the Tivo? Sounds like it > could > be used to feed a tuner for MythTV too... Yes/No/Maybe? Is it SD or HD? > (Sounds like SD) > > I had also tried tuning Clear QAM on my FiOS cable, but didn't get anything > except locals and the SD "Government" cable channels, which are of no > interest to me. And I get the locals loud & clear via a roof-mounted UHF > antenna. > > >channel switching speed/accuracy than using an IR blaster though for > >sure! > Yeah, IR Blasting is somewhat of a science... When I was using IR blasting, > I managed to get things tuned up well enough that I almost never had a bad > channel change. But maybe it's because I used an oscillescope to 'tune' my > scripts to be 'pefect'... > > > > >John > > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Justin St. Marie RHCSA, Network+

Oct. 23, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Jeff Artz

>Jeff> I've got 7 drives just as individual drives directly attached >Jeff> via SATA ports. Each drive is mounted individually, and I use >Jeff> the "Storage Groups" feature in MythTV, which spreads the >Jeff> recordings across all the drives pretty evenly. ;-) > >Interesting, no RAID. Did you do this for ease of expansion, so you >just add a new disk and Myth simply starts using it? And I assume you >don't care if you lose 150+ programs at a go if a disk dies, right? I ran a Raid5 of 6 500GB drives for a couple of years. But then I had a drive that was starting to fail, so I had bought a replacement, and had powered down my system to replace the bad drive. Well, when I did that, a 2nd drive went DOA with the 'click-of-death'. No amount of recovery attempts brought things back to life, so there I was with 2.5TB of Raid5'd recordings gone.... So I re-built using Individual drives and Storage Groups. Now if I were to lose a drive or two, I only lose SOME of my recordings, not everything. >Of course I'm running on a Tivo Premiere with a single disk so I'm >toast too if it dies. I need to crack my case one day and make a >backup... I used to 'backup' my DishPlayer 7200's back in the day... but it's much easier with MythTV. ;-) >I'm also using a Cable Card and a Cisco interface box because Tivo >doesn't support the latest two way cable card standard. And that >Cisco box keeps crapping out randomly and requires a reboot. Better So this is basically an 'external tuner' for the Tivo? Sounds like it could be used to feed a tuner for MythTV too... Yes/No/Maybe? Is it SD or HD? (Sounds like SD) I had also tried tuning Clear QAM on my FiOS cable, but didn't get anything except locals and the SD "Government" cable channels, which are of no interest to me. And I get the locals loud & clear via a roof-mounted UHF antenna. >channel switching speed/accuracy than using an IR blaster though for >sure! Yeah, IR Blasting is somewhat of a science... When I was using IR blasting, I managed to get things tuned up well enough that I almost never had a bad channel change. But maybe it's because I used an oscillescope to 'tune' my scripts to be 'pefect'... > >John Jeff

Oct. 22, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by John Stoffel

Jeff> I've got 7 drives just as individual drives directly attached Jeff> via SATA ports. Each drive is mounted individually, and I use Jeff> the "Storage Groups" feature in MythTV, which spreads the Jeff> recordings across all the drives pretty evenly. ;-) Interesting, no RAID. Did you do this for ease of expansion, so you just add a new disk and Myth simply starts using it? And I assume you don't care if you lose 150+ programs at a go if a disk dies, right? Of course I'm running on a Tivo Premiere with a single disk so I'm toast too if it dies. I need to crack my case one day and make a backup... I'm also using a Cable Card and a Cisco interface box because Tivo doesn't support the latest two way cable card standard. And that Cisco box keeps crapping out randomly and requires a reboot. Better channel switching speed/accuracy than using an IR blaster though for sure! John

Oct. 22, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Jeff Artz

>On Thursday, October 20, 2011 06:11:29 PM Jeff Artz wrote: >> >> Then about a year ago I switched to FiOS HD. So I now have two HD STB's >> from Verizon, feeding Hauppauge HD-PVR encoders (Component Video IN, USB >> Out >> [H.264 encoded]). I use Firewire for channel changes on the FiOS boxes. >> >Can you explain this setup more clearly? You are running USB out from the >FIOS >STB into a PVR card? I also have FIOS, i just run the coax out from the STB >a >PVR/HVR card. I also use firewire for changing channels. I used to have >comcast, but switched to FIOS and i was impressed with the number of ports >in >on the FIOS STB (comcast STB only had coax in/out and IR, nothing else). i >was >very happy to see firewire with FIOS, much easier than IR. > Gladly! In-between each STB and my Myth box is a Hauppauge HD-PVR box. This unit takes Analog Component Video (HD) and Digital Audio (Optical) from the STB, and encodes it to H.264 on the fly. It connects to your computer via USB. (You'd need one for each HD STB you want to record from -- I have two.) ;-) When I bought mine, they were about $220 each - looks like they haven't really come down much as the 'street' price seems to be around $200 each now. Here's a link to the MythTV Wiki for the HD_PVR: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HD-PVR And here's a link to Hauppauge's page for the HD-PVR: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html >> For HD, the only current option is to feed Component Video from a STB >> into >> an Hauppauge HD-PVR. >> >Just curious, do you notice any small glitches in the audio and video in HD >recordings (or live TV)? Every so often spot glitches in the audio and >video >on HD, it's a bit annoying, sometimes it even crashes mythtv (or X). > I haven't noticed any artifacts of the H.263 encoding coming out of the HD-PVRs - but maybe that's because I run it at the highest bitrate (13.5Mbps). I do that because even at that rate, the files are only about 6GB/hr. >also curious to know what distro you used for the base install, mythbuntu, >fedora, etc ? I cut my teeth on Jarod Wilson's "MythTV on Fedora" guide a zillion years ago, and have stuck with it over the years. ;-) My backend is currently FC 13, and my frontends are running various versions, from FC 11 to FC 14... I compile from source - I'm running 0.24-fixes now, anxiously awaiting the release of 0.25 ;-) >> Oh, and you'll need a bit of disk space too! OTA HD broadcasts are >> 5-7GB/hour, and the HD-PVR's h.264 output is about the same size [maxed >> out >> at 13Mbps max rate]. I currently have 6.5TB of space on my backend - a >> bit >> overkill-- as I have over 1,000 programs recorded at any given time... >> ;-) >> >Yikes! Hehehe... My first 'production' backend was just a 18GB SCSI system/DB disk, and a pair of 50GB SCSI drives for Video... ;-) My current backend has a 60GB SSD for OS & DB, and 6.5TB of disks for Recordings and 500GB for 'Videos' - I've currently got 277 movies in my Video archive. ;-) >> Note that MythTV is *not* the cheapest, nor the *easiest* to setup and >> configure - actually, I'd consider it more of a 'hobby' and requires >> occasional 'care & feeding'... But the flexibility that it gives you far >> exceeds any other offerings -- Like commercial detection and >> auto-skipping >> them during playback - just to name one! >> >Agreed. This is very well said. > > Hehehe, thanks. ;-) I originally setup MythTV as I was using Dish Network and had two DishPlayer 7200 DVR's - one with the 'stock' 8GB drive (~6 hrs), and another with a 120GB drive (~100 hrs). They worked great, but you could only watch things on the actual unit you recorded it on... So I setup MythTV, and 3 frontends, and then I could watch anything on any TV, and had more disk space too... (eventually!) >- brad PS: My IRC nic is J-e-f-f-A and I'm on #mythtv-users pretty often... I run a proxy on my backend, so even if I'm not 'active', I'll see any message that my nic is mentioned in. ;-) Jeff

Oct. 22, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Jeff Artz

Tim, I've got 7 drives just as individual drives directly attached via SATA ports. Each drive is mounted individually, and I use the "Storage Groups" feature in MythTV, which spreads the recordings across all the drives pretty evenly. ;-) Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Keller To: Worcester Linux Users Group Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info? A 1,000 programs? Damn! So basically you've got entire seasons of shows cached up ready to watch? How do you have your disk space configured? Are you using a NAS or is it JBOD? On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Jeff Artz <junk_inbox(a)verizon.net> wrote: I know I'm chiming in very late... But I've been using MythTV for about 7 years now and one of the previous replies isn't -entirely- true... Although it is true that you can't just plop a satellite receiver card in your computer and pull in Sat TV directly to your computer [due to the encryption], you *can* use Sat tv with MythTV by using the company's STB to feed an analog tuner on your computer. I started out doing this exact thing - although with Dish Network - with MythTV in 2004. I fed the S-Video and Sterio audio from the receivers into Hauppauge tuners, and used IR blasters to change channels on the STBs. I ran with that configuration for the first 6 years or so! Then about a year ago I switched to FiOS HD. So I now have two HD STB's from Verizon, feeding Hauppauge HD-PVR encoders (Component Video IN, USB Out [H.264 encoded]). I use Firewire for channel changes on the FiOS boxes. I also have two Dual-tuner HD-HomeRun tuners for OTA HD [ATSC]. So you *CAN* use MythTV with Satellite TV, but you need to use their STB (Set-Top-Box), and feed the output from that into a capture device to record with MythTV. For SD (Standard Definition), the best picture quality/easiest setup is feeding S-Video and Analog audio into a Hauppauge PVR tuner (PVR-150, 250, 350 or 500) (500 is a dual-tuner). For HD, the only current option is to feed Component Video from a STB into an Hauppauge HD-PVR. Oh, and you'll need a bit of disk space too! OTA HD broadcasts are 5-7GB/hour, and the HD-PVR's h.264 output is about the same size [maxed out at 13Mbps max rate]. I currently have 6.5TB of space on my backend - a bit overkill-- as I have over 1,000 programs recorded at any given time... ;-) Note that MythTV is *not* the cheapest, nor the *easiest* to setup and configure - actually, I'd consider it more of a 'hobby' and requires occasional 'care & feeding'... But the flexibility that it gives you far exceeds any other offerings -- Like commercial detection and auto-skipping them during playback - just to name one! Jeff Artz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info? You're not going to get Myth or any HTPC to work with DirecTV because there are no tuner cards that can unscramble the signal. Satellite TV requires a receiver from the vendor. We dropped DirecTV for over-the-air and TiVo and saved nearly $100/mo in the process. If you choose OTA, you'll want to consider the money and time investment for at least two PCs for Myth. TiVo will allow you to view recordings among all receivers on your LAN. Of course, there's a monthly fee for each TiVo... On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:07 AM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am re-working our TV to HDTV currently and trying to decide on a DVR. > Currently I use Charter's DVR and not impressed with their DVR > layout/features. > > Currently I am looking at either the DirectTV whole house DVR option > or building a Myth DVR box(s). > > Not sure I want to bite off the Myth though due to needing 2 machines, > tuner card, and chunks of my time (vs turnkey for an "appliance"). > > I have read the docs at MythTV website but am asking current Myth users: > > 1) Others are running for Myth hardware (front and back end specs) > > 2) Any estimates on install startup hours and monthly maintenance hours. > > 3) Any tips for a quick & smooth Myth install in late 2011 > > My current plans include a video source of HD via satellite from Dish > or DirectTV and am leaning towards a Samsung 55" LCD/LED set. > > I got the impression around three years ago that Myth was a "techie > time intensive" thing to setup and run. > I could be all wet on that impression or it may have changed. > > Thank you, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 22, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by brad

On Thursday, October 20, 2011 06:11:29 PM Jeff Artz wrote: > > Then about a year ago I switched to FiOS HD. So I now have two HD STB's > from Verizon, feeding Hauppauge HD-PVR encoders (Component Video IN, USB Out > [H.264 encoded]). I use Firewire for channel changes on the FiOS boxes. > Can you explain this setup more clearly? You are running USB out from the FIOS STB into a PVR card? I also have FIOS, i just run the coax out from the STB a PVR/HVR card. I also use firewire for changing channels. I used to have comcast, but switched to FIOS and i was impressed with the number of ports in on the FIOS STB (comcast STB only had coax in/out and IR, nothing else). i was very happy to see firewire with FIOS, much easier than IR. > > For HD, the only current option is to feed Component Video from a STB into > an Hauppauge HD-PVR. > Just curious, do you notice any small glitches in the audio and video in HD recordings (or live TV)? Every so often spot glitches in the audio and video on HD, it's a bit annoying, sometimes it even crashes mythtv (or X). also curious to know what distro you used for the base install, mythbuntu, fedora, etc ? > Oh, and you'll need a bit of disk space too! OTA HD broadcasts are > 5-7GB/hour, and the HD-PVR's h.264 output is about the same size [maxed out > at 13Mbps max rate]. I currently have 6.5TB of space on my backend - a bit > overkill-- as I have over 1,000 programs recorded at any given time... ;-) > Yikes! > Note that MythTV is *not* the cheapest, nor the *easiest* to setup and > configure - actually, I'd consider it more of a 'hobby' and requires > occasional 'care & feeding'... But the flexibility that it gives you far > exceeds any other offerings -- Like commercial detection and auto-skipping > them during playback - just to name one! > Agreed. This is very well said. - brad

Oct. 21, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Tim Keller

A 1,000 programs? Damn! So basically you've got entire seasons of shows cached up ready to watch? How do you have your disk space configured? Are you using a NAS or is it JBOD? On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Jeff Artz <junk_inbox(a)verizon.net> wrote: > I know I'm chiming in very late... But I've been using MythTV for about 7 > years now and one of the previous replies isn't -entirely- true... > > Although it is true that you can't just plop a satellite receiver card in > your computer and pull in Sat TV directly to your computer [due to the > encryption], you *can* use Sat tv with MythTV by using the company's STB to > feed an analog tuner on your computer. > > I started out doing this exact thing - although with Dish Network - with > MythTV in 2004. I fed the S-Video and Sterio audio from the receivers into > Hauppauge tuners, and used IR blasters to change channels on the STBs. I > ran with that configuration for the first 6 years or so! > > Then about a year ago I switched to FiOS HD. So I now have two HD STB's > from Verizon, feeding Hauppauge HD-PVR encoders (Component Video IN, USB > Out > [H.264 encoded]). I use Firewire for channel changes on the FiOS boxes. > > I also have two Dual-tuner HD-HomeRun tuners for OTA HD [ATSC]. > > So you *CAN* use MythTV with Satellite TV, but you need to use their STB > (Set-Top-Box), and feed the output from that into a capture device to > record > with MythTV. > > For SD (Standard Definition), the best picture quality/easiest setup is > feeding S-Video and Analog audio into a Hauppauge PVR tuner (PVR-150, 250, > 350 or 500) (500 is a dual-tuner). > > For HD, the only current option is to feed Component Video from a STB into > an Hauppauge HD-PVR. > > Oh, and you'll need a bit of disk space too! OTA HD broadcasts are > 5-7GB/hour, and the HD-PVR's h.264 output is about the same size [maxed out > at 13Mbps max rate]. I currently have 6.5TB of space on my backend - a bit > overkill-- as I have over 1,000 programs recorded at any given time... ;-) > > Note that MythTV is *not* the cheapest, nor the *easiest* to setup and > configure - actually, I'd consider it more of a 'hobby' and requires > occasional 'care & feeding'... But the flexibility that it gives you far > exceeds any other offerings -- Like commercial detection and auto-skipping > them during playback - just to name one! > > Jeff Artz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info? > > > You're not going to get Myth or any HTPC to work with DirecTV because there > are no tuner cards that can unscramble the signal. Satellite TV requires a > receiver from the vendor. > > We dropped DirecTV for over-the-air and TiVo and saved nearly $100/mo in > the > process. > > If you choose OTA, you'll want to consider the money and time investment > for > at least two PCs for Myth. TiVo will allow you to view recordings among all > receivers on your LAN. Of course, there's a monthly fee for each TiVo... > > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:07 AM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am re-working our TV to HDTV currently and trying to decide on a DVR. > > Currently I use Charter's DVR and not impressed with their DVR > > layout/features. > > > > Currently I am looking at either the DirectTV whole house DVR option > > or building a Myth DVR box(s). > > > > Not sure I want to bite off the Myth though due to needing 2 machines, > > tuner card, and chunks of my time (vs turnkey for an "appliance"). > > > > I have read the docs at MythTV website but am asking current Myth users: > > > > 1) Others are running for Myth hardware (front and back end specs) > > > > 2) Any estimates on install startup hours and monthly maintenance hours. > > > > 3) Any tips for a quick & smooth Myth install in late 2011 > > > > My current plans include a video source of HD via satellite from Dish > > or DirectTV and am leaning towards a Samsung 55" LCD/LED set. > > > > I got the impression around three years ago that Myth was a "techie > > time intensive" thing to setup and run. > > I could be all wet on that impression or it may have changed. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joel > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 21, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info?

by Jeff Artz

I know I'm chiming in very late... But I've been using MythTV for about 7 years now and one of the previous replies isn't -entirely- true... Although it is true that you can't just plop a satellite receiver card in your computer and pull in Sat TV directly to your computer [due to the encryption], you *can* use Sat tv with MythTV by using the company's STB to feed an analog tuner on your computer. I started out doing this exact thing - although with Dish Network - with MythTV in 2004. I fed the S-Video and Sterio audio from the receivers into Hauppauge tuners, and used IR blasters to change channels on the STBs. I ran with that configuration for the first 6 years or so! Then about a year ago I switched to FiOS HD. So I now have two HD STB's from Verizon, feeding Hauppauge HD-PVR encoders (Component Video IN, USB Out [H.264 encoded]). I use Firewire for channel changes on the FiOS boxes. I also have two Dual-tuner HD-HomeRun tuners for OTA HD [ATSC]. So you *CAN* use MythTV with Satellite TV, but you need to use their STB (Set-Top-Box), and feed the output from that into a capture device to record with MythTV. For SD (Standard Definition), the best picture quality/easiest setup is feeding S-Video and Analog audio into a Hauppauge PVR tuner (PVR-150, 250, 350 or 500) (500 is a dual-tuner). For HD, the only current option is to feed Component Video from a STB into an Hauppauge HD-PVR. Oh, and you'll need a bit of disk space too! OTA HD broadcasts are 5-7GB/hour, and the HD-PVR's h.264 output is about the same size [maxed out at 13Mbps max rate]. I currently have 6.5TB of space on my backend - a bit overkill-- as I have over 1,000 programs recorded at any given time... ;-) Note that MythTV is *not* the cheapest, nor the *easiest* to setup and configure - actually, I'd consider it more of a 'hobby' and requires occasional 'care & feeding'... But the flexibility that it gives you far exceeds any other offerings -- Like commercial detection and auto-skipping them during playback - just to name one! Jeff Artz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Myth Box Resources and HD DVR Info? You're not going to get Myth or any HTPC to work with DirecTV because there are no tuner cards that can unscramble the signal. Satellite TV requires a receiver from the vendor. We dropped DirecTV for over-the-air and TiVo and saved nearly $100/mo in the process. If you choose OTA, you'll want to consider the money and time investment for at least two PCs for Myth. TiVo will allow you to view recordings among all receivers on your LAN. Of course, there's a monthly fee for each TiVo... On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:07 AM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I am re-working our TV to HDTV currently and trying to decide on a DVR. > Currently I use Charter's DVR and not impressed with their DVR > layout/features. > > Currently I am looking at either the DirectTV whole house DVR option > or building a Myth DVR box(s). > > Not sure I want to bite off the Myth though due to needing 2 machines, > tuner card, and chunks of my time (vs turnkey for an "appliance"). > > I have read the docs at MythTV website but am asking current Myth users: > > 1) Others are running for Myth hardware (front and back end specs) > > 2) Any estimates on install startup hours and monthly maintenance hours. > > 3) Any tips for a quick & smooth Myth install in late 2011 > > My current plans include a video source of HD via satellite from Dish > or DirectTV and am leaning towards a Samsung 55" LCD/LED set. > > I got the impression around three years ago that Myth was a "techie > time intensive" thing to setup and run. > I could be all wet on that impression or it may have changed. > > Thank you, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 20, 2011

Thanks everybody, Fedora it shall be

by Ken Jones

Originally I worked with SUNsparc work stations using Aurora. About 2003 I added Fedora Red Hat to a dual booted Windows machine. My two SUN's got reduced to one virtue of hardware issues. Then I turned it off. The Red Hat part of my big disk became sick in 2005. I've been Windows XP 2004 Professional ever since. Recently I rebuilt a Fedora machine and am appalled at how much I have forgotten.. Sigh...... Thanks, Ken

Oct. 14, 2011

Re: [Wlug] New computer - dual boot - question

by Eric J. Martin

As a user of both Gentoo and Fedora/CentOS, I have to agree with Jared and Randall. Fedora is great because it has a nice, simple GUI installer and you can be up and running in under an hour. It's binary packages allow you to update the machine quickly with minimal problems. On the other hand, Gentoo is great at being agile. Basically you download a liveCD, get a tarball of a 90% working machine, and follow their excellent documentation to get your machine installed. There are no versions per se with Gentoo as they do rolling updates. Gentoo is how I learned about the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux and I still love / use it to this day. Also, I find it very useful for tackling problems in the mainstream binary distributions such as, "Why won't $PROGRAM_X run with $FUNCTION_Y?" Luckily for you, both distributions are highly represented on this list, so I'm sure no matter what you choose somebody will be able to help you out. On 10/12/11 12:54, Jared Greenwald wrote: > Ken, > > Can you be more specific about what you mean when you say you want to > be more familiar with X? > > If you want to learn all about X, I'd suggest Gentoo as it's DIY > nature allows you to learn a lot about the underlying components of > the OS. > > If you just want Linux, then Fedora or Ubuntu work well. > > Depends on what exactly you are looking to achieve... > > -Jared > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: >> WLUGers, >> >> I have purchased a new DELL desktop. I want to refamiliarize myself with X. >> I intend to dual boot the machine. Would my best selection for Linux be >> Fedora 16 (or whatever they are up to now)? If not, which do you suggest? >> >> Ken Jones >> -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Oct. 12, 2011