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Re: [Wlug] remote backup...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:09:32AM -0400, Marc Hughes wrote: > I have a dedicated web server that I need to backup (entirely). > Unfortunately there's not enough room for me to make a tar archive on > the machine, and there's no tape drive either in the machine or at that > facility that we can efficiently use. We get charged for bandwidth > usage, so I would like to compress the backup before it comes over the > wire. > > Also, this is a one time deal, so I can't go spending massive amounts of > cash on some commercial backup software. I can think of a few different options. The easiest would probably be to do something like rsync or tar via SSH. You can compress either at the application or tunnel level. I have a set of DMZ linux boxes which I backup twice a week (nothing really changes on them). I do this via rsync through SSH, and I let SSH do the compression (level 9 for best space, although it's slower). It works really nicely. If you're interested, I can send you the script off-list. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "For a while, all that stood between America and annihilation was a man with a drinking problem." - Some program on the Learning Channel

May 10, 2001

remote backup...

by Marc Hughes

Hey Guys, I have a dedicated web server that I need to backup (entirely). Unfortunately there's not enough room for me to make a tar archive on the machine, and there's no tape drive either in the machine or at that facility that we can efficiently use. We get charged for bandwidth usage, so I would like to compress the backup before it comes over the wire. Also, this is a one time deal, so I can't go spending massive amounts of cash on some commercial backup software. Any Suggestions? -Marc

May 10, 2001

CDMA compatible phone and Linux...

by Keller, Tim

Hey Everybody, Has anybody ever had any luck getting a CDMA phone (Motorola StarTAC) to work with Linux? I went looking and found software that would let you alter the phone-book on the phone, but didn't do anything about dialing. I'm figuring its either a) shows up like a Hayes device (which would be wonderful) or b) it uses some totally undocumented proprietary protocol I'll be forced to reverse engineer... Tim.

May 10, 2001

Hope this is the right list...

by rlapp＠WPI.EDU

Hey guys, I know there are two lists, one for questions and one for announcements, hope this is the right one. Here is the question, hopefully someone knows or can point me to a good resource. I have the following system: Athlon TB 750, 256meg, ABIT KT7 RAID 2x20gig Hard Drives on RAID 0 Striping - Win2k Server Installed. (hde&hdf) 1x13 gig HD With Linux Mandrake 8.0 Installed. (hda) 1x60 gig HD for data. (hdb) I would like to have LILO come up first and then give me the option of booting to the Windows RAID Drives. However, if I boot to my 13 gig drive from the BIOS, and have LILO come up I can not get it to boot to the windows partitition. I have put in the entries to lilo.conf to boot to (hde) But that didnt work, /sbin/lilo gives errors (dont have them in front of me now:( ) I also tried to point it towards hdf, but that gave errors saying no valid boot sector etc. Sooo now in order to boot both OSs I need to have the BIOS load the RAID array as the default, and use a floppy to boot to linux. I can only think that lilo is having a problem knowing what drive to point to to load up windows since it is a raid array... This make sense? Thanks! Bill Bill

May 7, 2001

Local LDAP consultants?

by Rob Bellville

Anyone know of any local LDAP (OpenLDAP) consultants? -- Rob Rob Bellville Millbury Public Schools Millbury, MA 01527

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Doug Chamberlin

At 5/7/2001 01:13 PM (Monday), Scott Venier wrote: >A VPN is a good idea. PPTP, however, isn't. I highly recomend using some >other VPN setup, if at all possible. PPTP on linux doesn't excatly give >you a rock solid network conneciton. But, if you have no other options, >there are both a client and a server for linux. The server is called >PoPToP. Search freshmeat for it. The client lives at >http://merced.needsabeating.com/pptp.html. A meeting which discussed non-PPTP VPN setups would be great!

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Scott Venier

A VPN is a good idea. PPTP, however, isn't. I highly recomend using some other VPN setup, if at all possible. PPTP on linux doesn't excatly give you a rock solid network conneciton. But, if you have no other options, there are both a client and a server for linux. The server is called PoPToP. Search freshmeat for it. The client lives at http://merced.needsabeating.com/pptp.html. Scott Maintainter of the PPTP-Linux client. On Mon, 7 May 2001, Tom Martinson wrote: > Hello. > > I am new to this LUG. So I would like to say hello. > > Peter said that his wife has to connect to his SaMBa server from UMass. > > When I have had similar situations What I did was to setup a VPN using > PPTP. That way you can block All SMB traffic to the outside world. > Connect to the PPTP termination point with your client. Setup up the > Tunnel and then the SMB information is passed on the inside of the > tunnel. Thus keeping the integrity. Also this gives a smaller > "signature" for your firewall/server to the real world. > > Just a though. > > Peter Gutowski wrote: > > > Well, so far it's not been a problem, although I keep a close watch on suspicious activity. (You'll notice entries for hosts allow and hosts deny. So far that seems to be pretty effective, although I do notice twits trying to access and being denied): > > > > hosts allow = 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.224 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 > > 128.119.216.0/255.255.255.0 216.175.212.192/255.255.255.240 > > hosts deny = all # <- no other machines can access > > > > Perhaps you could suggest conf options that allows [incoming] connections, but don't broadcast availability (i.e. is 'invicible' to all but people that know that that machine is a smb server). As I said, I'm not samba expert! (BTW, my wife accesses the system from her computer at UMass) > > > > On Monday, May 7, 2001 11:01 AM, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > > > >> Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of > >> samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for > >> me) > >> > >> -- start cut -- > >> # Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces > >> # If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them > >> # here. See the man page for details. > >> interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 > >> -- end cut -- > >> > >> >From a home network point of view, why would you want samba to bind to your > >> external (24.xx...) address? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? > >> > >> I personally add rules to my firewall to block outgoing and incoming SMB > >> traffic to the outside world. SMB as a protocol goes (if you could call it > >> that) tends to tell the world more then one would want... > >> > >> Tim. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Peter Gutowski

Well, so far it's not been a problem, although I keep a close watch on suspicious activity. (You'll notice entries for hosts allow and hosts deny. So far that seems to be pretty effective, although I do notice twits trying to access and being denied): hosts allow = 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.224 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 128.119.216.0/255.255.255.0 216.175.212.192/255.255.255.240 hosts deny = all # <- no other machines can access Perhaps you could suggest conf options that allows [incoming] connections, but don't broadcast availability (i.e. is 'invicible' to all but people that know that that machine is a smb server). As I said, I'm not samba expert! (BTW, my wife accesses the system from her computer at UMass) On Monday, May 7, 2001 11:01 AM, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: >Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of >samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for >me) > >-- start cut -- ># Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces ># If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them ># here. See the man page for details. >interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 >-- end cut -- > >>From a home network point of view, why would you want samba to bind to your >external (24.xx...) address? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? > >I personally add rules to my firewall to block outgoing and incoming SMB >traffic to the outside world. SMB as a protocol goes (if you could call it >that) tends to tell the world more then one would want... > >Tim. -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

May 7, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Keller, Tim

Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for me) -- start cut -- # Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces # If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them # here. See the man page for details. interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 -- end cut --

May 7, 2001

more lp0

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

Andy, Thank you for the leads. I genuinely appreciate all of your time. I have been trying to chase the leads down. When I: ps ax | grep lpd I get: 419 ? S 0:00 lpd 906 pts/0 S 0:00 grep lpd It appears that I have the older file nomenclature of conf.modules and not modules.conf. It should work just the same though. Under modprobe -c I get a note: Note: /etc/conf.modules is more recent than /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/modules.dep In the listing that follows I do have: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc alias char-major-6 lp There is nothing for parport or lp under "options", Under "commands" I have: pre-install plip modprobe parport_pc ; echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq I have to be honest with you and say that I am not sure what that actually means for the system mounting of appropriate the modules or not. Does this mean anything particular to you? Anyone else familiar with the difficulty? Assistance is enormously appreciated. Colin

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Tom Martinson

Hello. I am new to this LUG. So I would like to say hello. Peter said that his wife has to connect to his SaMBa server from UMass. When I have had similar situations What I did was to setup a VPN using PPTP. That way you can block All SMB traffic to the outside world. Connect to the PPTP termination point with your client. Setup up the Tunnel and then the SMB information is passed on the inside of the tunnel. Thus keeping the integrity. Also this gives a smaller "signature" for your firewall/server to the real world. Just a though. Peter Gutowski wrote: > Well, so far it's not been a problem, although I keep a close watch on suspicious activity. (You'll notice entries for hosts allow and hosts deny. So far that seems to be pretty effective, although I do notice twits trying to access and being denied): > > hosts allow = 192.168.3.0/255.255.255.224 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 > 128.119.216.0/255.255.255.0 216.175.212.192/255.255.255.240 > hosts deny = all # <- no other machines can access > > Perhaps you could suggest conf options that allows [incoming] connections, but don't broadcast availability (i.e. is 'invicible' to all but people that know that that machine is a smb server). As I said, I'm not samba expert! (BTW, my wife accesses the system from her computer at UMass) > > On Monday, May 7, 2001 11:01 AM, Keller, Tim <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > >> Hey I was looking at the sample smb.conf file (and I've set up a bunch of >> samba servers as well) and I saw something odd (well odd for >> me) >> >> -- start cut -- >> # Configure Samba to use multiple interfaces >> # If you have multiple network interfaces then you must list them >> # here. See the man page for details. >> interfaces = 192.168.3.1 24.91.122.146 >> -- end cut -- >> >> >From a home network point of view, why would you want samba to bind to your >> external (24.xx...) address? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? >> >> I personally add rules to my firewall to block outgoing and incoming SMB >> traffic to the outside world. SMB as a protocol goes (if you could call it >> that) tends to tell the world more then one would want... >> >> Tim. >

May 7, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Bob Brown

Andy, I would also enjoy some additional discussion on firewalls. Here are my suggestions for additional topics; 1) ipchains and dial out PPP. Setting up a fire wall for dialing into your favorite ISP. 2) ELF Files. How to read and map an ELF file. How to extract and use symbols. 3) Reading Linux crash dumps. Starting point and what to look for. Absolute locations in the dump. Interesting Linux data structures. 4) Writing a basic Linux driver. 5) Embedded Linux - There appears to be significantly more "Embedded Linux" job opportunities than "Linux" opportunities. How are they different? How do you move from Linux to embedded Linux? 6) Creating the ultimate ".emacs" file. Simple and useful Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:38 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals HI everybody, For our next meeting, I would like to have somebody finish the thread from the last meeting or two by explaining the contents of their firewall script and why the series of ipchains commands works for them. This might be helpful to folks who are either considering implementing a firewall or who want to understand the canned script that they got from wherever. My idea for a subsequent meeting was to have a newbie meeting as we haven't had one in quite some time. One idea I had was to discuss a shell: a) bash - scripting, command line "tricks" perhaps go over a "real" script, such as a startup script in /etc/init.d/wherever... Another idea would be to discuss the use of digital cameras with Linux. Are there other topics people would like to see? Are there volunteers to take on these topics? Perhaps there is a topic more interesting to you? Thanks in advance for your input, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Peter Gutowski

Tom, Your comments indicate a distinct need. For now, you might be interested in checking out my sample commented smb.conf file at: http://www.linuxchamps.com/docs/samba/smbconf.html I'm not a samba expert by any means, but have been enough around the block with it to make it work. HTH. On Monday, May 7, 2001 8:27 AM, Thomas Carey <tcarey70(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >Andy, >The Firewall topic sounds great. First off, I am a newbie (been >toying around with Linux for the last year and a half off and >on), and want to increase my Linux knowledge. I have been >successful in setting up Linux as a web server, and as an FTP >server. The one thing I have been unable to get working is >Samba file and print services. I would love to have someone >show me the proper way to get this up and running. I am >currently using RH7 (for the server), and Win98SE for the >client machine. I would be willing to bring those machines, as >well as a small hub for us to work on. This is a feature of Linux that I really want to use. >Thanks for your time. > >Tom Carey > > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 587-3957 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

May 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Thomas Carey

May 7, 2001

Upcoming meetings - topic proposals

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, For our next meeting, I would like to have somebody finish the thread from the last meeting or two by explaining the contents of their firewall script and why the series of ipchains commands works for them. This might be helpful to folks who are either considering implementing a firewall or who want to understand the canned script that they got from wherever. My idea for a subsequent meeting was to have a newbie meeting as we haven't had one in quite some time. One idea I had was to discuss a shell: a) bash - scripting, command line "tricks" perhaps go over a "real" script, such as a startup script in /etc/init.d/wherever... Another idea would be to discuss the use of digital cameras with Linux. Are there other topics people would like to see? Are there volunteers to take on these topics? Perhaps there is a topic more interesting to you? Thanks in advance for your input, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 7, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Wesley Allen

Sorry, I though mandrake was mentioned earlier in the thread. It is mandrake 7.2 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)gis.net> Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:17:32 -0400 >> From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)mail.lexchristian.org> >> >> Go up to 7.2, > >Of what? Redhat? Too high a number, I think. > >I did my homework, looking through all old messages in this thread >and found only > >> I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux 2.2.15-4mdk > >but there's no Linux kernel 7.2, nor I think KDE. > >-- > -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> > >Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> > --- Food, Shelter, Source code. --- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] lp0 continued

by Andy Stewart

Take a look at your /etc/modules.conf file and see if you have anything uncommented in that file that looks like this: alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=none,none I am running a 2.2.18 kernel, and this is part of what I have. Since I have this, the proper modules get installed when I boot the machine. Check and see what you have. You might be able to get stuff working this way. I am going to guess that the "device or resource busy" is coming from your lpd daemon. Check to see if lpd is running with something like this: ps ax | grep lpd Good luck! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org On Friday 04 May 2001 14:34, gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com wrote: > Andy, Mike, Wesley, Jeff, et. al, thanks for helping me out on this. > So here is where I stand, I have discovered a backlog of queued docs > and deleted them, but I am getting Device or resource busy when I try to > insmod the two missing pieces from lsmod. Here is what I tried: > > parport_probe and parport are present in lsmod; lp and parport_pc are > missing > /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/ > lp.o and parport_pc.o are present > when I go to... > [root@localhost misc]# insmod parport_pc > I get > Using parport_pc.o > /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/parport_pc.o: init_module: Device or > resource busy > and the same for lp.o > Using lp.o > /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy > So I am missing elements in lsmod, and there is something holding me > back from using insmod. > Then I: > lpq -P lp0 (and get) > Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline ?) > Rank Owner Job Files > 1st root 9 ... > I try to clear this with > lprm - -Plp0 > dfA009localhost.localdomain dequeued > cfA009localhost.localdomain dequeued > The when I: > lpq -P lp0 > no entries > I return to try to insmod lp and still get > Using /lin/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o > /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy > > So what now? Thanks a lot for keeping me going on this. > Colin ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/rtf; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: filename="text1.rtf" ---------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 4, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

Sorry Brian and Keith, I was being silly, when I wrote 2.2.15-4mdk I was assuming that the "mdk" was a cue for Mandrake. Wasn't trying to make that tough. I am now working on seeing if I can fix the missing lsmod pieces as a first step. Colin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 5/4/01, 3:23:18 PM, "Brian J. Conway" <dogbert(a)clue4all.net> wrote regarding Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues: > Keith Wright wrote: > > > > > From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)mail.lexchristian.org> > > > > > > Go up to 7.2, > > > > Of what? Redhat? Too high a number, I think. > Mandrake? I haven't really been paying attention, sorry. > -b > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 4, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Brian J. Conway

Keith Wright wrote: > > > From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)mail.lexchristian.org> > > > > Go up to 7.2, > > Of what? Redhat? Too high a number, I think. Mandrake? I haven't really been paying attention, sorry. -b

May 4, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Keith Wright

> From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)mail.lexchristian.org> > > Go up to 7.2, Of what? Redhat? Too high a number, I think. I did my homework, looking through all old messages in this thread and found only > I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux 2.2.15-4mdk but there's no Linux kernel 7.2, nor I think KDE. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

May 4, 2001

lp0 continued

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

Andy, Mike, Wesley, Jeff, et. al, thanks for helping me out on this. So here is where I stand, I have discovered a backlog of queued docs and deleted them, but I am getting Device or resource busy when I try to insmod the two missing pieces from lsmod. Here is what I tried: parport_probe and parport are present in lsmod; lp and parport_pc are missing /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/ lp.o and parport_pc.o are present when I go to... [root@localhost misc]# insmod parport_pc I get Using parport_pc.o /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/parport_pc.o: init_module: Device or resource busy and the same for lp.o Using lp.o /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy So I am missing elements in lsmod, and there is something holding me back from using insmod. Then I: lpq -P lp0 (and get) Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline ?) Rank Owner Job Files 1st root 9 ... I try to clear this with lprm - -Plp0 dfA009localhost.localdomain dequeued cfA009localhost.localdomain dequeued The when I: lpq -P lp0 no entries I return to try to insmod lp and still get Using /lin/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o /lib/modules/2.2.15-4mdk/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy So what now? Thanks a lot for keeping me going on this. Colin

May 4, 2001

Cheap Servlet Hosting

by Sands Fish

Hey all, Just a quickie. Anyone know of any good hosting providers that support running servlets? Maybe something not too expensive, although that's not bloody likely. Thanx! -Sands

May 4, 2001

FYI: Update on USENIX Conferences (68152)

by Andy Stewart

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Update on USENIX Conferences (68152) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: enotify(a)usenix.org To: astewart(a)world.std.com The USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 25-30, 2001 in Boston, MA http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01 REGISTER BY May 25, 2001, and SAVE up to $200! ================================================ Featuring THIRTY TUTORIALS, seventeen brand-new. Topics include: Running Web Servers Securely Advanced Solaris Administration Network Security Profiles UNIX Network Programming Network Programming with Perl Forensic Computer Investigations Large Heterogeneous Networks Inside the Linux Kernel Practical Wireless IP Security Exploring the Potential of LDAP Advanced Topics in Perl Programming Topics for System Administrators Wireless Networking Fundamentals UNIX Network Programming Topics Plus INVITED TALKS on WAP, IP wireless networking, Napster and Gnutella, E-voting in public elections, virtual machines, online privacy, active content, protocol design history and hazards, a Microsoft acquisition, and secure DNS. *KEYNOTE ADDRESS by Daniel D. Frye, Director, IBM Linux Technology Center *CLOSING SESSION by Cynthia Breazeal, Researcher, MIT Media Lab, and her robot Kismet. * FREENIX track dedicated to open source *VENDOR EXHIBITION featuring top companies, technology and information For more information and to register, visit: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix01 -------------------------------------------------------- PAPER SUBMISSIONS DEADLINES: FAST: Conference on File and Storage Technologies January 28-29, 2002, in Monterey, CA. http://www.usenix.org/events/fast/ Please submit abstracts by July 13, 2001 ALS: 5th Annual Linux Showcase & Conference November 6-10, 2001, in Oakland, CA http://www.linuxshowcase.org Please submit abstracts by June 5, 2001. LISA: 15th Systems Administration Conference December 2-7, 2001, in San Diego, CA http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa2001 Please submit abstracts by June 5, 2001. ****************************************************************** If you do NOT want to receive email announcements about USENIX Association activities, please reply to this message, and you will not receive future email notices. ****************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 4, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Andy Stewart

It might be as easy as loading a kernel module to make this work. Try this: 1) log in as root 2) type "lsmod" and see if "lp", "parport_pc" and "parport" show up 3) If they don't show up, you'll have to see if you have them: Look in /lib/modules/YOUR_KERNEL_REV/misc for lp.o, parport_pc.o, and parport.o If they are there, try "insmod parport parport_pc lp" (or something like that). If they are not there, you'll need to install the kernel modules package or empark on building them yourself. 4) Run "lsmod" again and you should now see them (as in step 2). 5) Once they show up in "lsmod", try: cat SOME_TEXT_FILE > /dev/lp0 Let us know how it goes, or if we can be of further help. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org On Thursday 03 May 2001 11:22, gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com wrote: > All right, > > Thank you for the assistance all. It has been helpful. > I took Andy & Jeff's lead to check the Kernel and sure enough there is > no such device. > Is my best bet to try to load a newer version? I am less afraid of this > prospect after fighting my way through X problems in 6.0 before going to > 7.1. > Any words to the wise before embarking on this adventure? Up until now > I have used off the shelf disks to get the job done. How much more > treacherous is trying to grab stuff on-line? > > COLIN > > > Basic stuff: if you cannot cat a file to /dev/lp0, then you probably > > have > > > a kernel related problem. That will need to be fixed first. Jeff's > > earlier e-mail explains in brief how to do this. > > > > Try something like this: > > > > cat/.cshrc > /dev/lp0 > > > > OK, once that works, you know that the kernel is OK. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 4, 2001

delurking to grovel

by Mike Peckar

Hello all, I've been lurking for quite some time now, though i'd pipe up. I've been hosting several very low volume domains through a dedicated dialup starting oh, sheesh, like six years ago via iii.net and using slackware 0.0.9 (am i old or what?). When iii bellied up, I switched to tiac, which was gobbled by psi - now in bankrupcy. suffice it to say that I've seen service levels as low as 95% (two weeks down per year). O.k., sure, I made some sucky choices on my ISP's but what is a guy to do if he's got like four domain names - pay $16.95 per month per domain for hosting? That just bites dead donkey dicks in hell - especially when all the sites combined push less than 1m/day Any suggestions for hosting on the cheap would be greatly appreciated - no dialup required. I have skills I can trade for hosting priviledges - I specialize in enterprise network and systems management (HP OpenView, micromuse, openNMS, UCD SNMP, MRTG, etc). co-location may be even easier - I could just pop my server onto your high-speed acess LAN, reconfig IP addresses, and make it even easier for you - charge me something, but I want to pay for what I serve - not my idiot factor... Peace, Mike the groveler

May 4, 2001

Re: Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Wesley Allen

Go up to 7.2, it's x-configuration has been painless for me on: An HP Pavillion 4450 A Compaq Deskpro 3 old Pentium NOTEBOOKS (All compaq) 1 Custom-built web server 1 HP NetServer (I forget the model) 1 Dell 4800 notebook As you can see, there is great x-support in 7.2, it was really mature, 8.0 is even nicer, but if you're on older hardware don't bother becasue you'll take a HUGE performance hit (KDE 2.1 and Nautilus are memory suckers, maybe with a lightweight window manager you'll be ok though..) Wes ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:22:12 GMT >All right, > > Thank you for the assistance all. It has been helpful. > I took Andy & Jeff's lead to check the Kernel and sure enough there is >no such device. >Is my best bet to try to load a newer version? I am less afraid of this >prospect after fighting my way through X problems in 6.0 before going to >7.1. > Any words to the wise before embarking on this adventure? Up until now I >have used off the shelf disks to get the job done. How much more >treacherous is trying to grab stuff on-line? > >COLIN > >> Basic stuff: if you cannot cat a file to /dev/lp0, then you probably >have >> a kernel related problem. That will need to be fixed first. Jeff's >> earlier e-mail explains in brief how to do this. > >> Try something like this: > >> cat/.cshrc > /dev/lp0 > >> OK, once that works, you know that the kernel is OK. > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 3, 2001

Fwd: Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

All right, Thank you for the assistance all. It has been helpful. I took Andy & Jeff's lead to check the Kernel and sure enough there is no such device. Is my best bet to try to load a newer version? I am less afraid of this prospect after fighting my way through X problems in 6.0 before going to 7.1. Any words to the wise before embarking on this adventure? Up until now I have used off the shelf disks to get the job done. How much more treacherous is trying to grab stuff on-line? COLIN > Basic stuff: if you cannot cat a file to /dev/lp0, then you probably have > a kernel related problem. That will need to be fixed first. Jeff's > earlier e-mail explains in brief how to do this. > Try something like this: > cat/.cshrc > /dev/lp0 > OK, once that works, you know that the kernel is OK.

May 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Andy Stewart

I have an Epson Stylus Color 870 which works great under Linux, so let me take a stab at helping out here. Basic stuff: if you cannot cat a file to /dev/lp0, then you probably have a kernel related problem. That will need to be fixed first. Jeff's earlier e-mail explains in brief how to do this. Try something like this: cat/.cshrc > /dev/lp0 OK, once that works, you know that the kernel is OK. Now, for the fun part! There are a ton of *great* Epson printer drivers as part of Robert Krawitz's gimp-print package (I know Robert professionally). When tied into the CUPS printing system, you can print anything using those drivers as well as print directly from the GIMP. These drivers are of high quality, although a tad slow occasionally at the higher resolutions. These drivers can be tied into ghostscript, but it is not a task for the faint of heart. I double checked, and Robert's driver code definitely supports the Epson stylus color 660 printer. A previous reply mentioned the Epson 640, which is also supported. FYI, this code also supports printers from Canon, Compaq, HP, Lexmark, and Okidata. To find this software, go to: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-print http://www.cups.org I personally like CUPS a whole lot better than lpr or lprng. The web interface alone makes it worthwhile to me. My 2 cents worth, devalued for inflation..... Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org On Wednesday 02 May 2001 10:49, you wrote: > I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux 2.2.15-4mdk > and have managed to slowly get most functionality off of the old Windows > half of the dual boot drive. There is one major impediment to moving > over entirely: > I cannot print. > I have an Epson Stylus Color 660, and can not make it work, reconfigure > and test as I try. > If I am not mistaken the system is using a ghostwriter filter that > generically addresses Epson Stylus Color printers (I have tried all > sorts of earlier drivers and generic options within this.) > > When you go to the setup and configuration there is no auto detect of > the printer and type, > You must manually chose it, and when you try any form of a test print > you get: > "Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline?)" > If you try to test print from RHLinux Print System Manager ASCII > directly you get: > "Couldn't write file "dev/lp0": no such device" > When I try to print from an app. I get: > "lpr: lp: lp: unknown printer" > > If you can spare a few seconds I would be thoroughly grateful for your > thoughts. ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/rtf; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: filename="text1.rtf" ----------------------------------------

May 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Wesley T Allen

If I remember correctly, I had a problem printing on my Epson 640 on my origional Linux distro (Caldera 2.2). Finally, I went to the caldera help database and they had a printcap file you could manually type in and then my printing worked. For all I know, it may still be there on their database (search for "epson" under their 2.2 version). After I put manually created printcap filter in, it printed fine. You'll get a ton of these, but you may want to switch to a newer distro. If you've got slow hardware, Mandrake 7.0 found my epson right away, and 7.2 has specific drivers for the 6x0 series. YOu may like what you've got, but it's just a thought. Wes On 02 May 2001 14:49:41 +0000, gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com wrote: > I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux 2.2.15-4mdk > and have managed to slowly get most functionality off of the old Windows > half of the dual boot drive. There is one major impediment to moving over > entirely: > I cannot print. > I have an Epson Stylus Color 660, and can not make it work, reconfigure > and test as I try. > If I am not mistaken the system is using a ghostwriter filter that > generically addresses Epson Stylus Color printers (I have tried all sorts > of earlier drivers and generic options within this.) > > When you go to the setup and configuration there is no auto detect of the > printer and type, > You must manually chose it, and when you try any form of a test print you > get: > "Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline?)" > If you try to test print from RHLinux Print System Manager ASCII directly > you get: > "Couldn't write file "dev/lp0": no such device" > When I try to print from an app. I get: > "lpr: lp: lp: unknown printer" > > If you can spare a few seconds I would be thoroughly grateful for your

May 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lp0 issues

by Jeff Moyer

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ==> Regarding [Wlug] Lp0 issues; gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com adds: gwlt> I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux gwlt> 2.2.15-4mdk and have managed to slowly get most functionality off of gwlt> the old Windows half of the dual boot drive. There is one major gwlt> impediment to moving over entirely: gwlt> I cannot print. I have an Epson Stylus Color 660, and can not make gwlt> it work, reconfigure and test as I try. If I am not mistaken the gwlt> system is using a ghostwriter filter that generically addresses Epson gwlt> Stylus Color printers (I have tried all sorts of earlier drivers and gwlt> generic options within this.) gwlt> When you go to the setup and configuration there is no auto detect of gwlt> the printer and type, You must manually chose it, and when you try gwlt> any form of a test print you get> gwlt> "Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline?)" If you try to test gwlt> print from RHLinux Print System Manager ASCII directly you get: gwlt> "Couldn't write file "dev/lp0": no such device" When I try to print gwlt> from an app. I get: "lpr: lp: lp: unknown printer" Hmm, perhaps you didn't compile parallel printer support into your kernel? It's listed in make [,menu,x]config under: Character Devices->Parallel printer support Also, you'll probably want to check off Parallel Port support under General Setup. Hope this helps. - -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.5 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iEYEARECAAYFAjrwI38ACgkQH/inyh944bQ0iACeJpSgItxSXuqAyNpBNMqDxLXH s04An1yXs/oQ/S6ChOJGGx8pn+NhbGbg =SrTe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 2, 2001

Lp0 issues

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

I have been making myself at home in KDE 1.1.2 under Linux 2.2.15-4mdk and have managed to slowly get most functionality off of the old Windows half of the dual boot drive. There is one major impediment to moving over entirely: I cannot print. I have an Epson Stylus Color 660, and can not make it work, reconfigure and test as I try. If I am not mistaken the system is using a ghostwriter filter that generically addresses Epson Stylus Color printers (I have tried all sorts of earlier drivers and generic options within this.) When you go to the setup and configuration there is no auto detect of the printer and type, You must manually chose it, and when you try any form of a test print you get: "Waiting for lp0 to become ready (offline?)" If you try to test print from RHLinux Print System Manager ASCII directly you get: "Couldn't write file "dev/lp0": no such device" When I try to print from an app. I get: "lpr: lp: lp: unknown printer" If you can spare a few seconds I would be thoroughly grateful for your thoughts.

May 2, 2001

RE: [Wlug] SCSI HD Boot Failure! BLA!

by Keller, Tim

That'll probably be really tough, since it won't even boot for the first time... What you could try is using a boot diskette to get the machine up and running, then compile a custom kernel that has support for the scsi card compiled in (not as a module) The kernel that the installer uses has -everything- compiled in so it'll work on a maximum number of systems, however, the kernel it installs on your machine does not. Hope that helps! Tim Keller -----Original Message----- From: Ben Dow [mailto:bdow@WPI.EDU] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:30 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] SCSI HD Boot Failure! BLA! Try compiling scsi support into your kernel, or using a different precompiled kernel if you're not into compiling your own. You probably had scsi support in the installation kernel but not the one it installs to boot from by default. On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Sands Fish wrote: > Hello again all, > I've just recently started putting together a Mandrake 8.0 box. (About > 3 hours ago, yes in the middle of the night.) For a hard drive, I have an > IBM SCSI Drive on an Adaptec 2940-U2 card. When I ran the install, it found > the card and the drive automagically. I was impressed and happy. Went > through the installation fine, copied all the files. But as soon as I > rebooted to run it for the first time, I get the LILO graphical screen, I > choose one of the options (any), and get the following error... > > request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted > VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 > > Just some more information. The HD is on SCSI ID #6. The controller is on > #7. The SCSI BIOS sees the drive because I can see it report it on boot. > When I watch the boot messages fly by for Linux, I see no reference to any > sd# devices at all. > > I'm really completely lost here. Would changing the SCSI ID # help? That > doesn't seem to be likely. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanx a lot guys/grrls!! > > - - s a n d s - - > SandsFish(a)ArtKillsYuppieBabies.com > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 30, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ipchains flush

by Jeff Wiedemeier

> Rusty's Three-Line Guide to Masquerading (IPCHAINS How-To) , each > modified to start with "ipchains -F" which should flush all existing > rules, that the flush isn't happening. You need to flush each chain separately. So.. ipchains -F input ipchains -F output ipchains -F forward will do what you want. /jeff

April 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Ximian Gnome on Debian

by Aaron Haviland

Something I forgot to mention... I haven't actually tested these. I will by tomorrow, though. I've elected to download to a machine elsewhere and burn to a CD instead of waiting for my 56k modem to crunch through them. However, I'm fairly sure I've fixed most of the dependancy problems that I noticed. gnucash from debian proper and gnome-games conflict because of differences in libguile out of all those packages installed, none depend on libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2, yet gnome-session should. Others probably should as well, but I hadn't gotten that far. I don't know if ximian plans a fix for gnucash. Terry Yelmene said: > Thanks Orion... This is the configuration I wanted to upgrade to. This > helps! > tyelmene > tyelmene(a)3c3art.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Orion" <orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org> > To: "WLUG" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:03 PM > Subject: [Wlug] Ximian Gnome on Debian > > > > Just in case anyone here uses Debian and is thinking of installing > > Ximian1.4, the directions that say to apt-get install task-helix-gnome > > are wrong. I've gone and made some task packages based on what > > helix/ximian used to have for its previous release. Just add this to > > your sources.list and you can use them: > > > > deb http://zork.net/~orion potato main > > > > (or s/potato/unstable/ of you prefer) > > > > also, if you need a deb-src line for ximian, until they fix it (IF they > > fix it) you need to use this instead of what they say: > > > > deb-src http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian/ dists/potato/main/sources/ > > > > (again, s/potato/woody/ if you wish) -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org "You build a time machine that automatically, when it's about to be destroyed, etc, goes back and makes sure that absolutely everything that happened ever did actually happen that way." - Colin

April 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Ximian Gnome on Debian

by Terry Yelmene

Thanks Orion... This is the configuration I wanted to upgrade to. This helps! tyelmene tyelmene(a)3c3art.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Orion" <orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org> To: "WLUG" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:03 PM Subject: [Wlug] Ximian Gnome on Debian > Just in case anyone here uses Debian and is thinking of installing > Ximian1.4, the directions that say to apt-get install task-helix-gnome > are wrong. I've gone and made some task packages based on what > helix/ximian used to have for its previous release. Just add this to > your sources.list and you can use them: > > deb http://zork.net/~orion potato main > > (or s/potato/unstable/ of you prefer) > > also, if you need a deb-src line for ximian, until they fix it (IF they > fix it) you need to use this instead of what they say: > > deb-src http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian/ dists/potato/main/sources/ > > (again, s/potato/woody/ if you wish) > > -- > Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org > > "so did you eat the dog or walk it? ;)" - iain > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 28, 2001

Ximian Gnome on Debian

by Orion

Just in case anyone here uses Debian and is thinking of installing Ximian1.4, the directions that say to apt-get install task-helix-gnome are wrong. I've gone and made some task packages based on what helix/ximian used to have for its previous release. Just add this to your sources.list and you can use them: deb http://zork.net/~orion potato main (or s/potato/unstable/ of you prefer) also, if you need a deb-src line for ximian, until they fix it (IF they fix it) you need to use this instead of what they say: deb-src http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian/ dists/potato/main/sources/ (again, s/potato/woody/ if you wish) -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org "so did you eat the dog or walk it? ;)" - iain

April 28, 2001

ipchains flush

by Richard Goodman

I'm running three dual-homed RedHat 7.0 boxes on separate DSL or cable, each doing IP Masquerading to private networks. I'm attempting to do some more serious firewalling, and am trying to debug problems in a rc.firewall script generated from Bob Ziegler's site. I've noticed that when I swap between Bob's 600+ line script and Rusty's Three-Line Guide to Masquerading (IPCHAINS How-To) , each modified to start with "ipchains -F" which should flush all existing rules, that the flush isn't happening. I'm switching by doing "sh <scriptname>" after having made both scripts executable. If I reboot Linux after changing which script is referenced in /etc/rc.d/rc.local, then everything is clean. Any ideas? Dick -- ------------------------------------------------- Richard Goodman dick(a)goodman1.net ---> Home: (508) 753-DICK trader(a)goodman1.net ---> Work: (508) 757-3452 voice/fax

April 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] SCSI HD Boot Failure! BLA!

by Ben Dow

Try compiling scsi support into your kernel, or using a different precompiled kernel if you're not into compiling your own. You probably had scsi support in the installation kernel but not the one it installs to boot from by default. On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Sands Fish wrote: > Hello again all, > I've just recently started putting together a Mandrake 8.0 box. (About > 3 hours ago, yes in the middle of the night.) For a hard drive, I have an > IBM SCSI Drive on an Adaptec 2940-U2 card. When I ran the install, it found > the card and the drive automagically. I was impressed and happy. Went > through the installation fine, copied all the files. But as soon as I > rebooted to run it for the first time, I get the LILO graphical screen, I > choose one of the options (any), and get the following error... > > request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted > VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 > > Just some more information. The HD is on SCSI ID #6. The controller is on > #7. The SCSI BIOS sees the drive because I can see it report it on boot. > When I watch the boot messages fly by for Linux, I see no reference to any > sd# devices at all. > > I'm really completely lost here. Would changing the SCSI ID # help? That > doesn't seem to be likely. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanx a lot guys/grrls!! > > - - s a n d s - - > SandsFish(a)ArtKillsYuppieBabies.com >

April 28, 2001

SCSI HD Boot Failure! BLA!

by Sands Fish

Hello again all, I've just recently started putting together a Mandrake 8.0 box. (About 3 hours ago, yes in the middle of the night.) For a hard drive, I have an IBM SCSI Drive on an Adaptec 2940-U2 card. When I ran the install, it found the card and the drive automagically. I was impressed and happy. Went through the installation fine, copied all the files. But as soon as I rebooted to run it for the first time, I get the LILO graphical screen, I choose one of the options (any), and get the following error... request_module[block-major-8]: Root fs not mounted VFS: Cannot open root device "801" or 08:01 Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01 Just some more information. The HD is on SCSI ID #6. The controller is on #7. The SCSI BIOS sees the drive because I can see it report it on boot. When I watch the boot messages fly by for Linux, I see no reference to any sd# devices at all. I'm really completely lost here. Would changing the SCSI ID # help? That doesn't seem to be likely. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanx a lot guys/grrls!! - - s a n d s - - SandsFish(a)ArtKillsYuppieBabies.com

April 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Tribes 2 and SMAC?

by Brad Noyes

I'm very interested. count me in. On Thursday 26 April 2001 08:23, Wesley T Allen wrote: > I got a posting in the mailing list about getting the LUG rate for > Tribes 2 and SMAC, I am VERY interested in this; but I've not heard > anything since the origional message went out. Are people still > thinking about this?? > > On an unrelated note, Loki's online store is down and Tribes 2 is > shipping NOW. I hope this a good sign that they're getting so many > orders that it crashed their site. Being forward thinking, they have a > fax number posted for an alternate ordering method. Way to go Loki! > > Wes > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 26, 2001

Tribes 2 and SMAC?

by Wesley T Allen

I got a posting in the mailing list about getting the LUG rate for Tribes 2 and SMAC, I am VERY interested in this; but I've not heard anything since the origional message went out. Are people still thinking about this?? On an unrelated note, Loki's online store is down and Tribes 2 is shipping NOW. I hope this a good sign that they're getting so many orders that it crashed their site. Being forward thinking, they have a fax number posted for an alternate ordering method. Way to go Loki! Wes

April 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] TCP Port Open

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:46:50AM -0400, Marc Hughes wrote: > How can you determine what process has a tcp port open? There are a few ways. # netstat -lpt # "-t" for TCP, "-u" for UDP, or both ... Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp 0 0 *:mysql *:* LISTEN 7936/mysqld tcp 0 0 *:2583 *:* LISTEN 709/perl tcp 0 0 *:587 *:* LISTEN 644/sendmail: accep tcp 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN 644/sendmail: accep [...snip...] I tend to use lsof since it's a bit more flexible: # lsof -i tcp COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME mon 709 root 3u IPv4 763 TCP *:2583 (LISTEN) mysqld 7936 root 3u IPv4 302589 TCP *:mysql (LISTEN) sendmail 644 root 4u IPv4 722 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) sendmail 644 root 5u IPv4 723 TCP *:587 (LISTEN) [...snip...] or to find out everything running over tcp port 22: # lsof -i tcp:22 COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME sshd 514 root 3u IPv4 558 TCP *:ssh (LISTEN) sshd 6338 root 4u IPv4 297933 TCP crystal:ssh->george:1418 (ESTABLISHED) ssh 7474 root 3u IPv4 301266 TCP crystal:620->salt:ssh (ESTABLISHED) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "It's not you Bernie. I guess I'm just not used to being chased around a mall at night by killer robots." - Linda from the movie "Chopping Mall"

April 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] TCP Port Open

by Brian J. Conway

> How can you determine what process has a tcp port open? In Linux, 'netstat -tlp'. I also find 'netstat -tulp' and 'netstat -tup' to be useful depending upon the situation and what I'm looking for. Consult the documentation. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

April 24, 2001

TCP Port Open

by Marc Hughes

Hello, How can you determine what process has a tcp port open? Thanks! -Marc

April 24, 2001

kde problem

by doug waud

Hi all I have a Toshiba Satellite notebook running SuSE 7.0 (personal edition) with kde as the window manager. For reasons unknown (to me at least) I can no longer click on an icon, for example, the shell icon, on the Kpanel and get a response. Also, the icons on the desktop, netscape and soffice, for example, have disappeared. Finally, if I click on the K menu button I can navigate out to the various programs, but again nothing responds. I can however, hit Alt/F2, get a command window, type in netscape, xterm or soffice, and the respective application comes up! I have searched the web and found no hints as to what might be going on. I happen to have the Que "Practical KDE" by Dennis Powell where, on page 46, under "Troubleshooting" there is a section "KDE starts but Applications won't". He suggests a chmod 1777 /tmp which I tried (and got drwxrwxrwt which says I didn't hit a typo) but the problem remained. I also tried chmod -RV 1777 /tmp to recursively chmod (I found several subdirectories in /tmp) but again without success. :-( The KDE version is 1.1.2 according to the SuSE box. The kernel is 2.2.12 (but, that, I suspect, is irrelevant). So, my specific question is "has anyone out there seen this and/or knows the solution/fix?". If not, a broader question is "what would you try next?" (without blowing away everything and reinstalling linux :-) --- this same SuSE/KDE works fine on a Dell desktop box). As you might gather, I have reached the point where I am open to suggestions of any kind :-) doug

April 24, 2001

RE: [Wlug] VAX/VMS

by Evans, Robert

At this link you can get it from the source: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ Then try going to OpenVMS Documentation where you can find: OpenVMS Guide to System Security -Robert N. Evans Software Engineering Stratus Computer -----Original Message----- >>Hey, >> >> I was wondering if any of you knew reliable and accurate sites on >>VAX/VMS especially things that deal with networking and security. I need to >>right a technical paper on those. And I'm at a lost of reliable sources

April 23, 2001

VAX/VMS

by Geoff

Hey, I was wondering if any of you knew reliable and accurate sites on VAX/VMS especially things that deal with networking and security. I need to right a technical paper on those. And I'm at a lost of reliable sources since google is me 9,000 plus sites and at the ones I've looked at none of them are what I am looking for. Geoffrey Phillips +01-508-795-6841 geoff_phillips(a)acm.org (Professional) gphillips(a)clarkie.net (Professional) resume at: http://www.clarkie.net/

April 23, 2001

Re: [Wlug] In regards to the 50% discount for lugs...

by Wesley T Allen

I just might be interested in doing that. One other question.... Would 9 people be interested in getting Alpha Centauri, if I can get both of these games for $20.00, that would be REALLY COOL. Wes On 20 Apr 2001 10:01:47 -0400, Keller, Tim wrote: > Would nine other people be interested in buying a copy of Tribes 2? > > I might just accidentally setup a tribes server out in our DMZ :-) > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 20, 2001

In regards to the 50% discount for lugs...

by Keller, Tim

Would nine other people be interested in buying a copy of Tribes 2? I might just accidentally setup a tribes server out in our DMZ :-) Tim.

April 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] In regards to the 50% discount for lugs...

by Doctor Orbitz

Is Tribes 2 an FPS (liek Quake and such?) Sounds like fun. My only problem is games run at liek 7FPS on me. I have an Athlon 750mhz with a GeForce 256 running the Nvidia drivers (gotta check for latest) but Quake 3 runs like hell. I tried switchign to 16bpp, no go. I think maybe the problem is that I cannot change my Virtual desktop size lower then 1280x1024...any ideas? Orbitz "Keller, Tim" wrote: > Would nine other people be interested in buying a copy of Tribes 2? > > I might just accidentally setup a tribes server out in our DMZ :-) > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] lilo

by doug waud

Hi > I was wondering if anyone can help me with lilo. When > I boot my machine it only displays LI. I seem to > remember this having to do something with the drive > geometry. Any Ideas? I also installed grub which > when I boot just displays GRUB. What could be wrong? Start with the Lilo User's guide, troubleshooting, Boot loader messages http://www.yggdrasil.com/bible/lilo/user/node68.html#SECTION006200000000000… (the main page is http://www.yggdrasil.com/bible/lilo/user/user.html in case I screwed up that more specific pointer) :-) I find this whole document is the "bible" for lilo. doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/

April 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Marc Hughes

On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > > Third, there are hundreds of thousands of developers using Delphi who now > can use their familiar development environment to do Linux applications. I > believe this will have a major impact on the Linux world and give C a run > for its money. Will it supplant C? Of course not! Will it provide a > credible alternative? You bet! Like Me! I've been doing Delphi for the past 4 years at my job. Up until now, it's been Delphi at work, PERL/C/PHP/etc. at home. This Monday I'm starting a Linux job... you better believe that I'm going to push to get a copy of Kylix there! I more relate Delphi (and hence Kylix) with Java in programming style. It just "feels" more like Java, just about everything passed by reference, meager garbage collection, and kick ass utility classes. But the real power is in the development environment, not the language. I can slap together a nice looking application that does something usefull in half a day. Using GTK or QT it takes me that long just to get the GUI right. Expect to see a lot more graphical applications (even tho most will be crap) as soon as the Free version is released. -Marc

April 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Doug Chamberlin

At 4/16/2001 11:50 PM (Monday), Tom Guilderson wrote: >I won't proceed to thrash pascal since I have never really done any >development in pascal, but the linux/unix development world is dominated >by C. [more snipped] If you are going to do any >serious development in a Unix environment, you will need to know C. This has certainly been true for a long time. However, Kylix is a significant departure from that history and a significant event worth noting. Why? First, the version of Pascal that Borland has evolved is "not your father's Pascal". In it's Delphi form it is fully equivalent to C++ in power and efficiency. Second, Delphi (and it's Turbo Pascal ancestor) have never been ported from the DOS/Windows environment before (except for a brief aborted visit to the Mac OS). Therefore, no one using the Unix platforms has been able to evaluate it properly. With Kylix this will be possible. Third, there are hundreds of thousands of developers using Delphi who now can use their familiar development environment to do Linux applications. I believe this will have a major impact on the Linux world and give C a run for its money. Will it supplant C? Of course not! Will it provide a credible alternative? You bet! Interesting times, indeed!

April 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Dennis Payne

> I won't proceed to thrash pascal since I have never really done any > development in pascal, but the linux/unix development world is dominated > by C. If it is not written in C, then the interpreter, byte code > interpreter/virtaul machine for the language was likely written in C > (perl, tcl/tk, python, java etc etc). C is also the language that gives > you the best interfaces for system calls into the low level aspects of > unix such as the file systems, I/O etc. If you are going to do any > serious development in a Unix environment, you will need to know C. Pascal and C are so similar in capabilities, the argument presented here is confusing. Except for strings there is no reason, Pascal couldn't directly interface the system calls as C. The free pascal compiler has a C string type and can do just what I suggested (or at least that is what the documentation suggests). The language that the interpreter, compiler or whatever is written in doesn't disprove the viability of languages only proves the flexibility of C. Assuming that's true, free pascal is written in pascal. (Perhaps instead of BSD/Linux where the GNU tools are replaced with BSD tools someone could make a distribution using only Pascal, ADA, etc.) (I don't mean to start a holy war. Considering the author suggested python, tcl/tk, etc. as tools, he obviously doesn't believe C is the best tool for every job. These statements just bothered me.) Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

April 19, 2001

Cable modem/lilo

by William Hine

The version of SUSE linux I was running seemed to give me a problem with DHCP. Ive yet to figure out what it is, and cable modems should be simple to setup. Anyways I installed mandrake 8.0 beta 3. The installation utility is great. I booted in the system for the first time and was able to use my modem. Thanx for the reccomendation. I was wondering if anyone can help me with lilo. When I boot my machine it only displays LI. I seem to remember this having to do something with the drive geometry. Any Ideas? I also installed grub which when I boot just displays GRUB. What could be wrong? TIA Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

April 19, 2001

[Fwd: Your 4/19 LUG meeting]

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, Would somebody who attends the WLUG meeting on Thursday be willing to write up something which can be posted on LWN, LinuxToday, and LinuxUsersGroups.org? Kara has asked, and I told her that we'd come up with something. Thanks in advance, Andy -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Your 4/19 LUG meeting Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:24:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kara Pritchard <kara(a)luci.org> To: <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> Hi Andy, Looks like you have a fun evening planned for your next LUG meeting. I'd be interested if you (or someone in your group) would do a write-up about the special meeting, or perhaps an interview. I'll host it at LinuxUsersGroups.org and have it posted to LWN and LinuxToday. It'll be a good opportunity both for your group and for Ziegler's book. -- Kara Pritchard Phone: 618-398-7360 Author, RHCE Exam Cram Director of Exam Development http://www.lpi.org/ Site Manager http://www.LinuxUsersGroups.org/ --

April 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] max memory?

by ccb＠acm.org

> > Is linux limited to 4GB memory? > > Nope, not 2.4 anyways. I don't remember the limit, but it's a big > number. ;-) > > > I have inherited some boxes with 5GB each and I'm planning on loading linux. Some things to remember - if these are x86 architecture boxes, you still have a 3GB per process user space limit. Even with 64GB of RAM, no single process can see more than 4GB and the top 1GB of that is mapped as kernel space. Big memory means that you get to have lots of large virtual address spaces that can remain mapped in physical RAM. For virtual address spaces with wider than 32-bit addresses, you need 64-bit processors. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com

April 18, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 11:50 PM 4/16/2001 -0400, Tom Guilderson wrote: [... lots of good stuff ...] > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the > Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has > been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). I'll admit that this isn't much of a sample, but the three folks I know that actually use the product are proficient in C/C++ as well as Pascal, so you may not have much of an issue. >I won't proceed to thrash pascal since I have never really done any >development in pascal, but the linux/unix development world is dominated >by C. If it is not written in C, then the interpreter, byte code >interpreter/virtaul machine for the language was likely written in C >(perl, tcl/tk, python, java etc etc). C is also the language that gives >you the best interfaces for system calls into the low level aspects of >unix such as the file systems, I/O etc. If you are going to do any >serious development in a Unix environment, you will need to know C. Kylix is both Pascal and C++. Pascal is being released first, with C++ not far behind. Kylix will also allow you to move your stuff from Windoze to Linux with apparent ease. For more reading, here is an interesting article I found in my archives. I'll try to find a more recent reference... http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-01-31-001-27-OP-CY-SW

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Tom Guilderson

Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI gang, > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > make and Makefiles > gcc Emacs - yes - is there any other editor? Hey it even runs on VOS! I don'tneed no stinking fully blown ide visual xyz gcc, g++ - yes make - yes (for smaler projects) gdb - absolutely (you need a debugger!) haven't used ddd since i usually invoke gdb from the command line. sometimes (gdb) attach pid - to debug a running daemon process. > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > this evening, but your input will help. cvs (or maybe rcs) for source code version control autoconf, automake, and libtool for larger projects when make alone becomes too cumbersome (more than 9 or 10 files or multiple target systems) bison and flex (yacc and lex in the commercial SysV world) POSIX pthread library for multithreading (portable accross SysV, BSD, Linux, and if done carefully NT since it is posix compliant when the posix subsystem is enabled) also because the real world is asynchronous. m4 for macro processing strace on linux, truss (prefer over strace) on SysV and BSD (heard that a port for linux is being planned) patch and diff sed, awk, grep and all the other shell scripting tools perl - something will need it eventually (Not my favorite, but very powerful. Also not all perl programs need be impossible to figure out with purposefuuly ugly syntax and formatting) tcl/tk (not as much now that I am learning to use python for those quick and dirty gui tools) python 2.0 For java switch back and forth between IBM and Sun JDK - lean more to IBM. for HTML editing switch around between emacs, amaya (W3C), and bluefish depending on mood For dynamic web pages PHP (we have a tomcat, apache JSP), server we are playing with at work) also there are so many useful things already done in perl, you can just use with almost no effort. Don't forget about libraries available for doing many common tasks such as GTK and Qt for creating GUI interfaces (if you have used Xlib primitives you quickly appreciate libraries like GTK which save time) libz for compressing and uncompressing image and mime handling libraries etc. libwww from W3C for client side http stuff (good for crawlers) There have got to be lots of other development related tools like code warrior, kdevelop (i actually like the kwrite editor that comes with KDE), > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). I won't proceed to thrash pascal since I have never really done any development in pascal, but the linux/unix development world is dominated by C. If it is not written in C, then the interpreter, byte code interpreter/virtaul machine for the language was likely written in C (perl, tcl/tk, python, java etc etc). C is also the language that gives you the best interfaces for system calls into the low level aspects of unix such as the file systems, I/O etc. If you are going to do any serious development in a Unix environment, you will need to know C.

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat Linux 7.1

by Brian J. Conway

My earlier statement was merely a point on RedHat's previous _shaky_ release. I've been using Mandrake's gcc-2.96 recompiled on 7.2 out of Cooker for months and it's an excellent compiler (hell, Cooker's been compiled by it for 4 months now), and I would recommend it to anyone. > Read slashdot for rebuttal. I read Slashdot for my daily dose of trolls and goatsex links, but WLUG is not the place to comment on that one. -b

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Dennis Payne

> What else do "real" Linux developers use? strace grep ldd nm I don't think they would be useful and helpful to demonstrate. Frankly the best tool is bash. The automation of all the stupid little things you need to prep data or whatever is incredibly useful. (It is why the GNU tools are requirement to make NT useful IMHO.) > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? www.freepascal.org They have been building a Turbo Pascal/Delphi compiler for Linux, Dos, etc. (Used it once to build an old Turbo Pascal program.) Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat Linux 7.1

by Dennis Payne

> And the cool thing is, it doesn't matter that they shipped an > incompatible, broken compiler Read slashdot for rebuttal. > since /usr/include/asm and /linux > are includes for the kernel that glibc is built against and not the > current kernel, you can't compile modules that are compatible with your > current kernel anyways! Actually from the slashdot article it sounds like they are using linux 2.4 so the includes are correct. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Doug Chamberlin

At 4/16/2001 11:50 AM (Monday), Scott Venier wrote: >You might also want to mention codewarrior. http://www.metrowerks.com >Nice and pretty for those folks who grew up developing on macos or >windows. You might keep in mind that the Delphi Developers Group is made up of developers who are 99% likely to use Kylix for development. Therefore, they won't be much interested in alternative development environments. However, they WILL be interested in auxiliary tools which are considered essential to managing applications on Linux not matter what the original language the app is written in. I would put the rpm and other packaging/installing tools in this category. P.S. I think Kylix includes a debugger. If it is as good as the one Borland has for the Win32 platform then it is all these developers will be using.

April 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat Linux 7.1

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 06:57:49PM -0400, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Red Hat 7.1, based on the Linux 2.4 kernel, is out as of 10:00am this > > morning. I have a mirror of i386 disc1 and disc2 ISO's and the full FTP > > install tree if anyone wants it. > > And the cool thing is, it doesn't matter that they shipped an > incompatible, broken compiler, because since /usr/include/asm and /linux > are includes for the kernel that glibc is built against and not the > current kernel, you can't compile modules that are compatible with your > current kernel anyways! On a serious note, I don't suppose anyone knows Actually, the kernel team (linus in particular) has been screaming bloody murder that the distro's do this for at least two years now. If you're compiling user space, you're running against user space (glibc) so that's what you care about being compatible with, not the kernel. If you're compiling kernel mods, you should be compiling with -I/usr/src/linux-2.4/ (or wherever you keep your kernel source). -- Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | There are still some other things to do, so don't think if I didn't fix your favorite bug that your bug report is in the bit bucket. (It may be, but don't think it. :-) Larry Wall in <7238(a)jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat Linux 7.1

by Brian J. Conway

> Red Hat 7.1, based on the Linux 2.4 kernel, is out as of 10:00am this > morning. I have a mirror of i386 disc1 and disc2 ISO's and the full FTP > install tree if anyone wants it. And the cool thing is, it doesn't matter that they shipped an incompatible, broken compiler, because since /usr/include/asm and /linux are includes for the kernel that glibc is built against and not the current kernel, you can't compile modules that are compatible with your current kernel anyways! On a serious note, I don't suppose anyone knows when we can expect to see 7.1 for Alpha out? Sadly, it's still the best bet of the distros out there for running on a Multia. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Andy Stewart

>Keith Wright wrote: > > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. I definitely want to include Emacs. My question marks were for the comment about whether or not emacs could be considereed the original "IDE". No big deal...it was an editorial comment, anyway. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | The sooner you make your first 5000 Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | mistakes, the sooner you will be able to Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | correct them. -- Nicolaides http://www.wlug.org |

April 16, 2001

Red Hat Linux 7.1

by Charles R. Anderson

Red Hat 7.1, based on the Linux 2.4 kernel, is out as of 10:00am this morning. I have a mirror of i386 disc1 and disc2 ISO's and the full FTP install tree if anyone wants it. FTP install/upgrade boot image: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386/images/boot… Server: angus.ind.wpi.edu Directory: /pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386 ISO download: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/7.1/en/iso/i386 Have fun! Charles R. Anderson cra(a)wpi.edu Network Engineer (508) 831-6110 Computing and Communications Center (508) 831-5115 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fax (508) 831-5483

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] max memory?

by Brian J. Conway

> Is linux limited to 4GB memory? Nope, not 2.4 anyways. I don't remember the limit, but it's a big number. ;-) > I have inherited some boxes with 5GB each and I'm planning on loading linux. I wish I could inherit some boxes like that. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume

April 16, 2001

RE: [Wlug] max memory?

by Keller, Tim

Nope, the new kernel will work with 64gb, you just have to go under "Processor type and features" and change the settings for High Memory Support. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mills-Curran [mailto:bcurran@clariion.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:54 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] max memory? Is linux limited to 4GB memory? I have inherited some boxes with 5GB each and I'm planning on loading linux. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 16, 2001

max memory?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Is linux limited to 4GB memory? I have inherited some boxes with 5GB each and I'm planning on loading linux. Thanks, Bill

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Scott Venier

You might also want to mention codewarrior. http://www.metrowerks.com Nice and pretty for those folks who grew up developing on macos or windows. Scott

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Aaron Haviland

Bob Brown said: > How about rcs and rpm? rpm? you wanna start a distro war, doncha :P deb all the way, buddy! ... (btw, anyone know of a place that might be hiring someone who likes to make .debs?) -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org This IS a sig.

April 16, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Bob Brown

How about rcs and rpm? Regards, Bob

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Keith Wright

> From: Viper <viper(a)2ghz.net> > > As far as I knew real programmers do use debuggers unless we all have > become perfect coders for some crazy reason now. I thought about trying one a few times in the past twenty years, but it was always more trouble to install the debugger and figure out how it works than to just "fix the damn thing". Mostly I just use printf, writeln, jsr outstr, or whatever it's called, and think really hard. But then, I learned to program when it was done by turning in the card deck in the morning and then coming back just before midnight to see what it did. You learn to be careful that way, but I don't really recommend it. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Orion

Keith Wright said: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. what about libtool and autoconf (and family) ? > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. [orion@rex(~)] apt-cache search pascal fp-compiler - Free Pascal Compiler fp-docs - Free Pascal Documentation fp-units-api - Free Pascal API units fp-units-base - Free Pascal base units ... fp-units-db - Free Pascal units for some database libraries fp-utils - Free Pascal Utils gpc - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95 - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). gpc-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). p2c - Pascal to C translator pas2html - Highlight Pascal and Modula-2 sources for WWW presentation [orion@rex(~)] -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org [{(SPLAT!!!)}] oops.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Orion

Andy Stewart said: > > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. > > Thanks, > > Andy You might want to try http://wvware.sourceforge.net/libwmf.html ? libwmf: WMF conversion libraries Windows Metafile (WMF) is a picture format used by many Windows programs, e.g. Microsoft Word. libwmf is a set of libraries for converting WMF files into other formats. Currently it supports a gd binding for conversion to PNG, and an X one for drawing directly to an X window or pixmap. There is experimental support for the XFig format and Encapsulated PostScript. -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org No fish were harmed in posting to this froup.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > make and Makefiles > gcc > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > this evening, but your input will help. Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Brian J. Conway

Windows Media Format? ;-) I assume the viewers work under Solaris because they're part of the ported IE 5.x package, no? > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. I'm really not sure on that one, chief, I just had input on the first half. Sorry. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume

April 16, 2001

Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Andy Stewart

If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | grieve at a funeral? It is because we Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | are not the person involved" -- Mark http://www.wlug.org | Twain

April 16, 2001

Need input re: developers tools

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) make and Makefiles gcc What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp this evening, but your input will help. Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Osborn's Law: Variables won't; constants Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | aren't. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Viper

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. > > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) As far as I knew real programmers do use debuggers unless we all have become perfect coders for some crazy reason now. > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. > > -=>Viper<=-

April 16, 2001

Re: Verizon DSL questions

by cc.noyes

LRP 3.1.0. You need to browse the various kernel images at www.linuxrouter.org to find the one that most closely matches your environment. You'll probably want an image that has a pppoe (if you're using Verizon DSL), ipchains, DHCP, caching DNS, etc. You can download it along with the modules for your ethernet cards. Since this is a router, you'll need at least 2 ethernet cards; one for the "WAN" side (DSL connection) and one for your local (LAN) network. I use my LRP box as a gateway/router and a firewall (running ipchains). My Verizon DSL "modem" is connected to the LRP box via one of the ethernet cards and the other ethernet card in the LRP box is connected to a hub in my house. All of the PCs in the house are also connected to the hub. I configured a private class C ethernet network in my house and all the PC's have a 192.168.x.y address, including the LAN interface of the LRP box. The WAN side gets it IP address from Verizon via DHCP. These addresses get "spoofed" via IPMASQ to the outside world. The whole set-up works great. You can get other modules to load from the floppy, but remember everything has to fit on a floppy. One neat trick is the ability to format a floppy to hold more than 1.4 MB. I don't recall if it's the fdformat command or something else (I'm sure someone on this list can supply the details.....it's been a while, and I don't remember), but you can format a floppy so it will hold 1.6 MB (maybe more) and Linux has no trouble booting from it. The neat thing is that you can use an old "clunker" PC that you may have lying around for the LRP box. You don't even need a hard drive, and it's recommended that you DON'T use a hard drive (secruity reasons...remember this box is exposed to the outside world). I don't even have a monitor or keyboard connected to the LRP box. It just runs and runs and runs.... Step through the LRP configuration, write-protect the floppy, and you're in business.... I hope this helps..... -Chuck Randall Hofland wrote: > That was more like a whole nickel. Which version of LRP? Are you running just the > router or do you have some of the other goodies like the firewall, etc.? And the big > question: is it possible to run multiple floppies to add services? > > I've actually been planning on using OpenBSD either on one of my 68K Macs or on a > Pentium/K6 box for my front end, but if I can get the LRP to work with a couple of > floppies, that would do as well. But I am still waiting for any version of "broadband" > so I can hook up my various clusters to the web. > > "cc.noyes" wrote: > > > I've had Verizon's ADSL service (the "cheapo" $39.95 service) since December and > > it's been solid. I have no complaints. I use an old PC running LRP (Linux Router > > Project, see www.linuxrouter.org) The LRP boots from a single floppy (I removed > > the hard drive). The LRP uses Ragin Penguin's pppoe. It's simple to install and > > set up. > > > > Verizon has NO clue about anything other than Win98. So they were no help to me. > > I installed their h/w and my own LRP box, but it was no big deal. I've never had > > to call fo support, so I don't know how good they are, but...they only want to deal > > with systems runing Win98. > > > > Just my $.02..... > > > > -Chuck > > > > Mark Caron wrote: > > > > > I'm considering DSL for myself at home. I've already checked out the Verizon > > > site and I am about 6,000 ft or so away from the c.o., so I'm ok on that front. > > > I am wondering if there's anything new regarding Verizon DSL in regards to > > > Linux. How Linux friendly are they these days? I know from reading their > > > website that I'm probably on my own for supporting linux on their DSL, but > > > that's ok I figured that. Any problems or other considerations I should be > > > looking into? Besides buying a DSL/cable modem router, that's already on the > > > 'to buy' list. I know it's about a 3 week wait I believe for the setup date. > > > Also a friend of mine in NYC just got hers 2 weeks ago, and had to go through a > > > setup program on her windows box. Is this just setting up pppoe? Or does it > > > also setup the DSL modem? Am I correct in thinking that it's just the pppoe and > > > I can just setup my linux box with pppoe and setup the DSL router and be done > > > with it. Or should I just plug in my win95 harddrive and let the setup program > > > setup the DSL modem then fire up linux and finish setting up linux and the DSL > > > router? > > > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > Mark > > > - > > > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > > > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > > > message body to discuss-request(a)blu.org (Subject line is ignored). > > > > - > > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > > message body to discuss-request(a)blu.org (Subject line is ignored).

April 14, 2001

REMINDER: Upcoming Linux events

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, Here's a quick reminder about upcoming events. ================================== Wednesday, April 18th: Richard Stallman will be speaking at Holy Cross in Worcester Location: 112 O'Neill Hall Time: 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM Here's a map of the campus: http://www.holycross.edu/about/camp_mapbw.html ================================== Thursday, April 19th: WLUG meeting Location: Kinnicutt Hall, WPI in Worcester Time: 7:00 PM Speaker: Bob Ziegler, Linux Firewalls ================================== Monday, April 23rd: Delphi Developers' Group Meeting Location: Allaire Corporation, Newton, MA Time: starts at 7:00 PM (be there earlier to setup) Directions to this meeting can be found here: http://www.discom.com/delphi/ I will be giving a presentation to this group (details can be found at the "Meetings" link on the Delphi website). A group of WLUG volunteers will be on hand to demonstrate Linux software. One person who had volunteered to help at the Delphi Developers group has had to drop out, so I am looking for 1 or perhaps 2 more volunteers who'd like to come to this meeting to help out with demos of Linux on their own hardware. Please get back to me ASAP. Thanks! ================================== Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "I have the world's largest collection of Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | seashells. I keep it scattered around Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | the beaches of the world ... Perhaps http://www.wlug.org | you've seen it. -- Steven Wright

April 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem Charter.net

by Leon Do

Have you turn off your cable modem for few minutes when switch from Windows machine to Linux machine? That is very common problem that I have seen and happened to me before. Leon Do doug waud wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone can help me > > configure a cable modem to use in linux. > > I think the issue is configuring your computer. The cable > modem is probably configured by the cable company (I > bet they came in, ran Windows and got that working and > then left. At that point the cable modem was "doing > its thing" and you were left to fend for yourself on > the linux side. That was my experience here in Shrewsbury. > Incidentally, this is not all that unreasonable. After all > they are a business and cannot afford to go far off the > beaten path.) > > > I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken > > because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping > > past it. > > Hi > > As one responder has already noted, we really need more > information. However, I would suggest you start by typing > ifconfig > (You will probably have to be root to do this; just type su > and enter your root password. Type exit to get out later) > This should show an eth0 entry in addition to the lo entry. > If you have no eth0 entry get back to us (we have to backtrack). > If you have an eth0 entry, look to see what the "inet address" is. > For example, on the computer I have connected to the cable modem > (Shrewsbury cable, but the general approach should be the same) give > 216.195.16.123 > which tells me I am on a network not in the local 192.168.m.n > class so I read this as an address assigned by the cable company > (dhcp, as an earlier responder indicated is likely for you too). > > Next try route -n > > Here I get three lines of interest, something like > > 216.195.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.248.0 U eth0 > 0.0.0.0 216.195.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U lo > > The last line is your loopback address (as already > noted by an earlier responder, a side issue). > > The first line meshes nicely with the ethernet address we > saw above for eth0. This line says that, to get to anything > in the network 216.195.16.0 with netmask 255.255.248.0, go > out eth0. That makes sense. That card is on that network. > > The next line, says that, to go anywhere in general (that's > what the 0.0.0.0 means) go through 216.195.16.1. That is another > machine on that same network, and represents the "gateway" machine > sitting somewhere in the cable company's office. > > Note that now my machine knows how to go anywhere. First it can > use the first line to get to that 216.195.16.0 network and second, > if it wants to go further, it can go to that specific gateway box > at 216.195.16.1, which it can find since it is on that 216.195.16.0 > network the first line tells us how to reach. > > (The U and UG says "up" (and running) and "up" as a "gateway".) > > Poke around now and see whether you can find any of these pieces > for starters and, for security/safety exit su when done :-) > > doug > > -- > Douglas R Waud > 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 > http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem Charter.net

by doug waud

> I was wondering if someone can help me > configure a cable modem to use in linux. I think the issue is configuring your computer. The cable modem is probably configured by the cable company (I bet they came in, ran Windows and got that working and then left. At that point the cable modem was "doing its thing" and you were left to fend for yourself on the linux side. That was my experience here in Shrewsbury. Incidentally, this is not all that unreasonable. After all they are a business and cannot afford to go far off the beaten path.) > I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken > because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping > past it. Hi As one responder has already noted, we really need more information. However, I would suggest you start by typing ifconfig (You will probably have to be root to do this; just type su and enter your root password. Type exit to get out later) This should show an eth0 entry in addition to the lo entry. If you have no eth0 entry get back to us (we have to backtrack). If you have an eth0 entry, look to see what the "inet address" is. For example, on the computer I have connected to the cable modem (Shrewsbury cable, but the general approach should be the same) give 216.195.16.123 which tells me I am on a network not in the local 192.168.m.n class so I read this as an address assigned by the cable company (dhcp, as an earlier responder indicated is likely for you too). Next try route -n Here I get three lines of interest, something like 216.195.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.248.0 U eth0 0.0.0.0 216.195.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U lo The last line is your loopback address (as already noted by an earlier responder, a side issue). The first line meshes nicely with the ethernet address we saw above for eth0. This line says that, to get to anything in the network 216.195.16.0 with netmask 255.255.248.0, go out eth0. That makes sense. That card is on that network. The next line, says that, to go anywhere in general (that's what the 0.0.0.0 means) go through 216.195.16.1. That is another machine on that same network, and represents the "gateway" machine sitting somewhere in the cable company's office. Note that now my machine knows how to go anywhere. First it can use the first line to get to that 216.195.16.0 network and second, if it wants to go further, it can go to that specific gateway box at 216.195.16.1, which it can find since it is on that 216.195.16.0 network the first line tells us how to reach. (The U and UG says "up" (and running) and "up" as a "gateway".) Poke around now and see whether you can find any of these pieces for starters and, for security/safety exit su when done :-) doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/

April 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem Charter.net

by John Stoffel

William> I was wondering if someone can help me configure a cale modem William> to use in linux. I am on charters network. I have tried William> myself but it is not working. William> I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken William> because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping past it. You need to have DHCP setup on your linux box to use this properly. I would suggest you get 'pump' to do the work. You may already have it installed, and if so, just do the following as root: pump -i eth0 and see what it says. Check with 'ifconfig -a' and with 'netstat -nr' to see what IP address and routes you get. John

April 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lexmark z52

by William Smith

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Doctor Orbitz wrote: DO>Has anyone here setup a Lexmark z52 printer in linux? i have a Lexmark z22 that i just set up... i'm not sure what the differences are, but i'll offer what i know. DO>I am having alot DO>of trouble. I set it up according to how I think the documentation DO>tells me to but my printer just gets a post script file, which it DO>obviously doesn't understand. Tech support refuses to help me saying DO>that because I am using Slackware it isn't supported. the only "supported" printer in the Lexmark line (as far as Linux is concerned) is the z32. what i did was grab the z32 drivers from their website and install them. so FAR, i only have the cartridge that came with my printer: the color cartridge. Testing the printer looked funny because i didn't have the black ink cartridge in there. it looks like the Linux driver for the z32 is assuming that you have both the color AND the black cartridges. i'll find out for sure this weekend. FWIW, i'm running RH7.0. i tested the printer from the control-panel's Printer Configuration tool. the ascii test went through the motions of printing, which seems to have been explained when i did the PostScript test: only the color parts showed up, nothing that would have been black, which is why i came to the conclusion i did. i hope that much helps. DO>But Linux is Linux right? only for exceptionally large values of two. ;) ____________________________ (__ ________________________) William Smith / /( _)/\/ \ / _) / ) Fall River, Massachusetts / /_/ / / )/ _) ) ( timex(a)kluge.net (_/(___)(_/\/\/(___)(_/\_) http://www.kluge.net/~timex -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d-- s+:+ a C++>+++ UL++++ USIA++ P+>++++ L+++(++++) E- W++ N++ o? w---() O M--- V-- PS---- PE+ Y+ t+ X+>+++ R tv b+ DI++++ D+ G++>++++ e+(*) h---(*) y++++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

April 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem Charter.net

by Mike Gorse

I am not familiar with charter. Do they use dhcp? (I'd guess that they might since MediaOne and RCN both do.) If so, have you enabled a dhcp daemon? Pump, dhcpcd, and the ISC dhcp daemon are the ones that I know of. Your distribution should include at least one of those; someone should be able to tell you specifically how to set up dhcp if you let us know which distribution you're using. Anyway, sorry if you've already done this and it still doesn't work. Your being able to ping localhost doesn't mean much, though, since localhost is generally set to 127.0.0.1, which is the loop-back interface. On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, William Hine wrote: > Hi, > I was wondering if someone can help me > configure a cale modem to use in linux. > I am on charters network. I have tried myself but it > is not working. > > I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken > because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping > past it. > TIA, > Bill > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 11, 2001

Cable Modem Charter.net

by William Hine

Hi, I was wondering if someone can help me configure a cale modem to use in linux. I am on charters network. I have tried myself but it is not working. I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping past it. TIA, Bill __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

April 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Lexmark z52

by Keith Wright

> From: Doctor Orbitz <orbitz(a)alienphobia.com> > > Has anyone here setup a Lexmark z52 printer in linux? Not me. In fact I know nothing about it. But in the true Linux/internet spirit, I will write a page or two of free advice anyway. > I am having alot of trouble. I set it up according to how I think > the documentation tells me Give us a couple hints. What document did you read and what (in outline) did it tell you to do? How much of it worked? > to but my printer just gets a post script file, which it > obviously doesn't understand. That may be caused by sending it a postscript file. Have you tried sending an Ascii file? If you want to send it postscript you need to set up a filter to translate to Lexmarkian. Ghostview may be such a filter (it wants to be, but I don't know if it supports the Lexmark). > Tech support refuses to help me saying > that because I am using Slackware it isn't supported. Is that Lexmark tech support, or what? I'm surprised they know enough about what you are asking to be able to be so specific about what they don't understand. It's probably not an obsinate refusal to help but genuine lack of clue. (Never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity.) > But Linux is Linux right? No. In addition to versions for Intel, ARM, Sparc, and Alpha, there are Beowulf (multi-processor clusters), uClinux (for embeded micro-processors without MMU), various build options for experimental hardware or special purpose file systems, RAID devices, military grade security, or kernal debugging. But none of that is relevant to your problem, because the Linux kernel has nothing to do with getting your data into a form your printer can understand. My guess is you would be having the same problem if it were HP-UX or BSD Unix. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 11, 2001

Lexmark z52

by Doctor Orbitz

Has anyone here setup a Lexmark z52 printer in linux? I am having alot of trouble. I set it up according to how I think the documentation tells me to but my printer just gets a post script file, which it obviously doesn't understand. Tech support refuses to help me saying that because I am using Slackware it isn't supported. But Linux is Linux right? Thanks, Orbitz

April 10, 2001

Mainsoft's MainWin Brings Windows Apps To Linux, Unix

by Bob Brown

A cross platform compiler for Linux from Windows... http://www.crn.com/components/Nl/direct/article.asp?ArticleID=25599 Regards, Bob

April 10, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Dibb, Jim

Upgrade to 1.38.4 firmware, I've found it to work the best. It's beta firmware, I got it from the Linksys forum on dslreports.com. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark%2c651534%3broot=equip%2c16%3bmode=fla t That forum is an excellent resource for the Linksys hardware. I've never used it, but I'm sure there is a way to set up logging by the router to a file on one of your machines. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Long [mailto:michaellong@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:14 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Firewalls Your suggestion of an appliance was a magnificent one. I bought a Linksys router and had it running in a very short period of time. Now for the $64 question...how do I monitor my network to minimize the chance of attack or at least know when my system has been compromised? -mike On Wednesday 04 April 2001 00:09, you wrote: > > After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains > > and firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am > > spending a lot of time trying to recreate something that probably already > > exists. Does anyone have any experience with either open source or > > commercial firewalling products that can be configured to work in a small > > office network and allow VPN connections to larger networks. I do not > > have a very big budget but would be willing to pay for the appropriate > > solution. > > > > Mike > > Might I suggest an appliance? D-Link, SMC, NetGear and LinkSys all > have them for just a hair over $100 provided you're sitting on a Cable > or DSL connection. My SMC is web managable and does a lovely job. > It also has a COM port so I can use it with dial-up networks if I > have to. IPCHAINS/IPTABLES is cool, but you need to patch for IPSEC > support in 2.2.x kernels. > > ccb > > > -- > Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems > Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 > +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 > ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] just a bit-o-fun

by Terry Yelmene

Now I know my anonymous friend's intent, thanks for the source- Unfortunately, anything I had that played vinyl is long gone (and I have a bunch of albums I'd love to hear again!) I do think its cute though- Terry Yelmene em: tyelmene(a)3c3art.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug waud" <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] just a bit-o-fun > Hi > > > The source for this definitely wants to remain anonymous- > > but... > > The source is Flanders and Swan, a pair of Brits who were on > the entertainment circuit years ago. They specialized in animal > songs (Hippopotamus: Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud! Nothing quite like > it for cooling the blood, so come let us follow, down to the > hollow and there let us wallow, in glorious mud! ) I have their > old 33rpm around somewhere. If you still have a player :-) > and want to hear the rest, let me know and I can dig around > and bring it in to the next WLUG meeting. > > > > I had to share it with you cause, now I'm a Gnu Too! > > A gnother gnu! (Spelling checker did not like that!) > > doug > -- > Douglas R Waud > 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 > http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] just a bit-o-fun

by doug waud

Hi > The source for this definitely wants to remain anonymous- > but... The source is Flanders and Swan, a pair of Brits who were on the entertainment circuit years ago. They specialized in animal songs (Hippopotamus: Mud, Mud, Glorious Mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood, so come let us follow, down to the hollow and there let us wallow, in glorious mud! ) I have their old 33rpm around somewhere. If you still have a player :-) and want to hear the rest, let me know and I can dig around and bring it in to the next WLUG meeting. > I had to share it with you cause, now I'm a Gnu Too! A gnother gnu! (Spelling checker did not like that!) doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/

April 8, 2001

just a bit-o-fun

by Terry Yelmene

A year ago last Thursday I was strolling in the zoo When I met a man Who thought he knew the lot. He was laying down the law About the habits of baboons And the number of quills a porcupine has got So I asked him "what's that creature there?" He answered, "Ooh, It's a h'elk" I might have gone on thinking that was true If the animal in question hadn't Put that chap to shame and said "I hain't a h'elk" I'm a Gnu I'm a Gnu I'm a Gnu How do you do? You really ought to k-now w-who's who I'm a Gnu Spelled G-N-U I'm g-not a camel or a kangaroo So let me introduce I'm g-neither man or moose Oh G-no, G-no, G-no I'm a Gnu I had taken furnished lodgings down at Rustington-on-Sea Whence I travelled on to Ashton-under-Lyme And the second night I stayed there I was wakened from a dream Which I'll tell you all about some other time. Among the hunting trophies on the wall above my head Stuffed and mounted was a face I thought I knew; A bison, no it's not a bison An okapi, I don't think it's an okapi Could it be a hartebeest? When I seemed to hear a voice I'm a Gnu I'm a Gnu A g-nother Gnu I wish I could g-nash my teeth at you I'm a Gnu How do you do? You really ought to k-now w-who's who I'm a Gnu Spelled G-N-U Call me bison or okapi and I'll sue G-nor am I in the least like that dreadful hartebeest Oh G-No G-No G-No I'm a Gnu! **************** The source for this definitely wants to remain anonymous- but... I had to share it with you cause, now I@m a Gnu Too! ...(just between us Gnus & Penguins)

April 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Michael Long

Your suggestion of an appliance was a magnificent one. I bought a Linksys router and had it running in a very short period of time. Now for the $64 question...how do I monitor my network to minimize the chance of attack or at least know when my system has been compromised? -mike On Wednesday 04 April 2001 00:09, you wrote: > > After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains > > and firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am > > spending a lot of time trying to recreate something that probably already > > exists. Does anyone have any experience with either open source or > > commercial firewalling products that can be configured to work in a small > > office network and allow VPN connections to larger networks. I do not > > have a very big budget but would be willing to pay for the appropriate > > solution. > > > > Mike > > Might I suggest an appliance? D-Link, SMC, NetGear and LinkSys all > have them for just a hair over $100 provided you're sitting on a Cable > or DSL connection. My SMC is web managable and does a lovely job. > It also has a COM port so I can use it with dial-up networks if I > have to. IPCHAINS/IPTABLES is cool, but you need to patch for IPSEC > support in 2.2.x kernels. > > ccb > > > -- > Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems > Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 > +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 > ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: LOCAL: Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group meeting]

by Tom Guilderson

Andy, Would you mind if I cross posted this on discuss(a)blu.org since Robert Zeigler should be a good speaker and maybe some people might be interested. See you at the meeting. -- Tom Guilderson Andy Stewart wrote: > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: LOCAL: Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group meeting > Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:27:40 GMT > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce > Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > HI everyone, > > The next meeting of the Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group will take place > on Thursday, April 19th, at 7:00 PM. The meeting location is at WPI's Kinnicutt > Hall in Worcester, MA. Directions can be found on the WLUG website: > > http://www.wlug.org > > The speaker at this meeting will be Bob Ziegler. Bob is the author of "Linux > Firewalls", published by New Riders. Bob will address firewall related topics > including: > > o What is contained in the IP, TCP, and UDP packet headers > o A description of classic attacks > o Basic things to be filtered > > The goal will be that someone should leave the meeting with an understanding of > what a firewall can do and why you want one. More meeting information can be > found on the WLUG website. > > This promises to be a really informative meeting! As always, WLUG meetings are > open to the public. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for > Q/A, and then a couple of Linux related items will be raffled. Small donations > of $2 - $5 are happily accepted (but not required) to help defray the cost of > the refreshments at the meeting. > > After the meeting, you are welcome to join us at the Boynton Restaurant for > pizza and beer. > > I'm looking forward to seeing alot of people at this meeting. > > See ya later, > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "I was playing poker the other night ... > Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | with Tarot cards. I got a full house and > Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | four people died." -- Steven Wright > http://www.wlug.org | > > - -- > This article has been digitally signed by the moderator, using PGP. > http://www.iki.fi/mjr/cola-public-key.asc has PGP key for validating signature. > Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce(a)news.ornl.gov > PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. > This group is archived at http://www.iki.fi/mjr/linux/cola.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: latin1 > > iQCVAgUBOs4mvFrUI/eHXJZ5AQEhyQQAvvbtDWXY5iW6/m4kDYPjk4VuHLY/l276 > JMz+9HA7MWTEwhK8i44lgN+Rt8+fV27TrAmOsT7kmrQGN+ckPMzzzjBraW9Xnp8p > BBKYDZOOg0YonWYdZPBailYRPUgPwTT6ujiay9dQ7uR65rCUvG3UWRKrRmZDYqPJ > X0NMd/kezk8= > =rJuG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 8, 2001

[Fwd: LOCAL: Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group meeting]

by Andy Stewart

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: LOCAL: Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group meeting Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:27:40 GMT From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- HI everyone, The next meeting of the Worcester (MA, USA) Linux Users' Group will take place on Thursday, April 19th, at 7:00 PM. The meeting location is at WPI's Kinnicutt Hall in Worcester, MA. Directions can be found on the WLUG website: http://www.wlug.org The speaker at this meeting will be Bob Ziegler. Bob is the author of "Linux Firewalls", published by New Riders. Bob will address firewall related topics including: o What is contained in the IP, TCP, and UDP packet headers o A description of classic attacks o Basic things to be filtered The goal will be that someone should leave the meeting with an understanding of what a firewall can do and why you want one. More meeting information can be found on the WLUG website. This promises to be a really informative meeting! As always, WLUG meetings are open to the public. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for Q/A, and then a couple of Linux related items will be raffled. Small donations of $2 - $5 are happily accepted (but not required) to help defray the cost of the refreshments at the meeting. After the meeting, you are welcome to join us at the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer. I'm looking forward to seeing alot of people at this meeting. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "I was playing poker the other night ... Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | with Tarot cards. I got a full house and Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | four people died." -- Steven Wright http://www.wlug.org | - -- This article has been digitally signed by the moderator, using PGP. http://www.iki.fi/mjr/cola-public-key.asc has PGP key for validating signature. Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce(a)news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. This group is archived at http://www.iki.fi/mjr/linux/cola.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBOs4mvFrUI/eHXJZ5AQEhyQQAvvbtDWXY5iW6/m4kDYPjk4VuHLY/l276 JMz+9HA7MWTEwhK8i44lgN+Rt8+fV27TrAmOsT7kmrQGN+ckPMzzzjBraW9Xnp8p BBKYDZOOg0YonWYdZPBailYRPUgPwTT6ujiay9dQ7uR65rCUvG3UWRKrRmZDYqPJ X0NMd/kezk8= =rJuG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 6, 2001

Re: fwd: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Dave Coutu

Thanks alot for your input guys, very appreciated. We will be looking into your suggestions and seeing what works best for us! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo Van Dinter" <felicity(a)kluge.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: fwd: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset? > On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:01:50PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: > > As long as you have procmail installed and sendmail is configured to > > use procmail, just drop this stuff in place and you'll instantly > > start filtering stuff based on content and/or extension. > > Just an FYI: This means that procmail will have to run and filter each > message *per recipient* which means it's going to cause lots of CPU > overhead, depending on what kinds of filtering you're doing. > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > "I sometimes think that they hire guards based on the bone content in their > heads." - Londo on Babylon 5 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Orion

Dave Coutu said: > > Hey Guys, > > > > Really simple question here... A while back I had asked whether > sendmail could filter out mail based on a subject header , and > found out that it could. Now I have a situation here at work where > we want to filter out attachments, the obvious being .vbs, .exe, > basically anything that may contain a virus. We don't run > anti-virus software on the mail server that mail is being delivered > to, nor on the sendmail relays feeding into it, since they are > Solaris boxes and we currently don't have a unix version of Norton > lying about. But I believe that we can filter out attachments > through a sendmail ruleset, and I am wondering if this is the case. > If so, can someone tell me how/where to do it please? Would be > very appreciative for any help here! Thanks in advance! > > > > Dave Not sure if this helps, but a friend of mine was working on this email scanning stuff: http://pldaniels.com/ Check out Inflex and Ebola. XaMime is a commercial version of Inflex, I believe. It's also in rather early development, afaik. Any questions, he's usually on #linuxhelp on irc.slashnet.org as "inflex". -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org Spund is cool. Great sounding word. Kind o' thing Meg'd say. -freakstone

April 5, 2001

Re: fwd: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 04:01:50PM -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: > As long as you have procmail installed and sendmail is configured to > use procmail, just drop this stuff in place and you'll instantly > start filtering stuff based on content and/or extension. Just an FYI: This means that procmail will have to run and filter each message *per recipient* which means it's going to cause lots of CPU overhead, depending on what kinds of filtering you're doing. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I sometimes think that they hire guards based on the bone content in their heads." - Londo on Babylon 5

April 5, 2001

Re: fwd: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Paul Lussier

In a message dated: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:48:11 EDT Jeffry Smith said: >OK, I know we do something to "defang" stuff, could I / you pass what it >is on to this list, to answer this question? > >jeff >------- Forwarded Message > >From: "Dave Coutu" <cout(a)alum.wpi.edu> >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:10:10 -0700 >Subject: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset? > >Hey Guys, > > Really simple question here... A while back I had asked whether = >sendmail could filter out mail based on a subject header , and found out = >that it could. Now I have a situation here at work where we want to = >filter out attachments, the obvious being .vbs, .exe, basically anything = >that may contain a virus. We don't run anti-virus software on the mail = >server that mail is being delivered to, nor on the sendmail relays = >feeding into it, since they are Solaris boxes and we currently don't = >have a unix version of Norton lying about. But I believe that we can = >filter out attachments through a sendmail ruleset, and I am wondering if = >this is the case. If so, can someone tell me how/where to do it please? = > Would be very appreciative for any help here! Thanks in advance! What we do here is use procmail on our local, internal mail server. There's a great filtering set of procmail rules for this located at: http://www.impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security.html As long as you have procmail installed and sendmail is configured to use procmail, just drop this stuff in place and you'll instantly start filtering stuff based on content and/or extension. There's a lot of configuration and customization you can do with this thing, and we've found that it works fantastic. We've intercepted the "AnnaKournikova" virus many, many times since it's initial release, and I can't even count the number of other virii I've seen trapped since we installed this. HTH, Seeya, Paul -- Paul Lussier Chairman, Nashua Chapter, GNHLUG Senior Systems and Network Engineer Mission Critical Linux, Inc.

April 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:10:10AM -0700, Dave Coutu wrote: > could. Now I have a situation here at work where we want to filter out att= > achments, the obvious being .vbs, .exe, basically anything that may contain= > a virus. We don't run anti-virus software on the mail server that mail is= > being delivered to, nor on the sendmail relays feeding into it, since the= > y are Solaris boxes and we currently don't have a unix version of Norton ly= > ing about. But I believe that we can filter out attachments through a send= > mail ruleset, and I am wondering if this is the case. If so, can someone t= > ell me how/where to do it please? Would be very appreciative for any help = > here! Thanks in advance! You can't filter the message content using a ruleset (which is where attachments are located), but you can use the new milter API to do filtering. It's available in 8.10.x and later, but you might as well use 8.11.3 if you're going to upgrade anytime soon. I'm currently setting up this exact type of filtering at my current client by using a tool called MIMEdefang (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) The examples that come with it show you how to filter out attachments that you don't want, but the main bits are in Perl so you can configure to your heart's content. :) Basically a C program interfaces with sendmail. That C program (per message -- not per recipient/etc) then calls a perl script which reads your configuration and acts appropriately. Right now, I have it striping out vbs/exe/com/bat attachments (removed the attachment from the mail and adds a text/plain section explaining that the attachment was removed). It's not the easiest bit of software to get installed and running, but if you're comfortable with compiling/installing from source and at least semi-comfortable with sendmail configuration (the amount needed for milter isn't much), then you'll be golden. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: I expect people to expect Perl to do the right thing. -- Larry Wall in <199911192358.PAA24109(a)kiev.wall.org>

April 5, 2001

Filtering attachments via a Sendmail ruleset?

by Dave Coutu

Hey Guys, Really simple question here... A while back I had asked whether sendmail could filter out mail based on a subject header , and found out that it could. Now I have a situation here at work where we want to filter out attachments, the obvious being .vbs, .exe, basically anything that may contain a virus. We don't run anti-virus software on the mail server that mail is being delivered to, nor on the sendmail relays feeding into it, since they are Solaris boxes and we currently don't have a unix version of Norton lying about. But I believe that we can filter out attachments through a sendmail ruleset, and I am wondering if this is the case. If so, can someone tell me how/where to do it please? Would be very appreciative for any help here! Thanks in advance! Dave

April 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Volunteers needed!

by doug waud

Hi > Also, would somebody be kind enough to > allow me to use their laptop for the presentation since I don't own a laptop? You can certainly use mine --- provided I don't trash it in the interim :-) / :-( Seriously, it has StarOffice 5.2 on it already. You could either put your stuff on a CD which you could bring with you and/or send it to me ahead of time and I could download it onto the computer. doug

April 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Volunteers needed!

by Andy Stewart

Hi all, WOW! The response has been great! Here's what I've got for volunteers so far: Critique the slides ------------------- Scott Venier Dean Deaver Doug Waud Tom Manders Conduct Demos ------------- Tim Keller Doug Waud Mark Komarinski I was hoping we could get 1 or 2 more people to do demos. I suspect that 4 people is enough to sufficiently critique the slides. The Delphi Developers group meeting takes place at: Allaire Corporation 275 Grove Street Newton, MA Check out their website for directions: http://www.discom.com/delphi/meeting/MeetingDirections.html The meeting is scheduled to start at 7:00 PM so we should probably get there early enough to setup, say 6:30 PM on Monday, April 23rd. I'd expect the traffic in this area to be pretty heavy at that time of day due to rush hour. I will find out more of the logistical information, such as, how much table space do we have, how many outlets, etc. Also, would somebody be kind enough to allow me to use their laptop for the presentation since I don't own a laptop? I'll export the presentation to HTML if necessary, or if you have StarOffice already installed, I'll use that. (Maybe its time I bought one instead of lugging around my full tower...). Later, and thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | If you want divine justice, die. -- Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | Nick Seldon Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org | Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI gang, > > I have been asked to be the guest speaker at the Delphi Developers Group meeting > in Newton, MA on Monday, April 23rd (http://www.discom.com/delphi) They are > interested in Linux due to the recent product announcement of Borland Kylix > (http://www.borland.com/kylix) These folks are a group of software developers > living in the Windows world. > > I had planned to prepare a 45 - 60 minute talk, Q/A, and then demonstrate some > apps for them, such as: > StarOffice > Netscape > Developer tools and utilities > VmWare > LILO > Desktops - KDE, Gnome, enlightenment, etc. > Installation of Linux > > The above list was suggested to me by their representative as a list of things > that would be interesting to their developers group. > > I am seeking 2 or 3 people would like to volunteer to demo some of these tools > at the meeting, and who can provide support for the questions which I can't > answer. I'm looking for folks with systems or laptops that they are willing to > bring to this meeting for the demos. > > I would also appreciate a volunteer or two who would be willing to critique my > presentation slides before the meeting. You would not need to actually attend > the meeting. I'd e-mail the slides to you and request your written feedback. > The Delphi group representative will also get a sneak preview. > > If you are interested in either of these opportunities, please contact me this > week if at all possible. > > Thanks in advance! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Harris's Lament: All the good ones are > Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | taken. > Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | > http://www.wlug.org | > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester

by Orion

Similarly, I'm on dialup with RCN (formerly Ultranet). Although, I seem to be experiencing more network problems with RCN than ultranet had. I've never had any problems with them, as far as OS (linux), dialup-connection times (24/7), or running services (http, smtp, ssh, irc) Keller, Tim said: > Well, I'm only on dialup and I've been using Erols (Its actually RCN) and > I've had > extremely good luck with them. > > Like everything, your mileage may very... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:18 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester > > > I would like to know names and url of lnx friendly ISP's in Worcester area. > > > Thanks in advance. -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org I need to learn spanish..I only know one sentence, and its not very nice... got it from some Mexican brick layers - kepe

April 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester

by Richard H Fox

I've used AT&T Worldnet with great success - much faster than other dialups... yes, the big mega-ISP but with Linux loving employees who I've spoken with for server / network related issues... how Linux friendly is AT&T??? Visit: http://www.wurd.com/eng/setup/dialers/index.htm There's other Linux stuff on the AT&T WURD site ( http://www.wurd.com ) - but I think this is what you are looking for... OH! if you want to sign up for a Linux account use this method: https://registration.att.net/cgi-bin/inregister Hit the CONTINUE REGISTRATION button - the nine-character Registration Code is not needed... The only way to avoid downloading the Wintel or MAC dialer to setup an AT&T account is through this page... and AT&T customer (tech) support forwarded me a Linux guy (Debian his preference though he runs Mandrake on one of his machines) who gave me the link, only available by direct reference... Best... Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Gomes" <gomes_k(a)dr.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester I would like to know names and url of lnx friendly ISP's in Worcester area. Thanks in advance. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester

by Richard H Fox

I've used AT&T Worldnet with great success - much faster than other dialups... yes, the big mega-ISP but with Linux loving employees who I've spoken with for server / network related issues... how Linux friendly is AT&T??? Visit: http://www.wurd.com/eng/setup/dialers/index.htm There's other Linux stuff on the AT&T WURD site ( http://www.wurd.com ) - but I think this is what you are looking for... OH! if you want to sign up for a Linux account use this method: https://registration.att.net/cgi-bin/inregister Hit the CONTINUE REGISTRATION button - the nine-character Registration Code is not needed... The only way to avoid downloading the Wintel or MAC dialer to setup an AT&T account is through this page... and AT&T customer (tech) support forwarded me a Linux guy (Debian his preference though he runs Mandrake on one of his machines) who gave me the link, only available by direct reference... Best... Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Gomes" <gomes_k(a)dr.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester I would like to know names and url of lnx friendly ISP's in Worcester area. Thanks in advance. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 4, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester

by Keller, Tim

Well, I'm only on dialup and I've been using Erols (Its actually RCN) and I've had extremely good luck with them. Like everything, your mileage may very... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:18 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Friendly ISP in Worcester I would like to know names and url of lnx friendly ISP's in Worcester area. Thanks in advance. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 4, 2001

Friendly ISP in Worcester

by Rodrigo Gomes

I would like to know names and url of lnx friendly ISP's in Worcester area. Thanks in advance. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

April 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by ccb＠acm.org

> After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains and > firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am spending a lot > of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does > anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling > products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow > VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would > be willing to pay for the appropriate solution. > > Mike Might I suggest an appliance? D-Link, SMC, NetGear and LinkSys all have them for just a hair over $100 provided you're sitting on a Cable or DSL connection. My SMC is web managable and does a lovely job. It also has a COM port so I can use it with dial-up networks if I have to. IPCHAINS/IPTABLES is cool, but you need to patch for IPSEC support in 2.2.x kernels. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com

April 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 09:36:43PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: > of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does > anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling > products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow > VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would define "VPN connections". do you mean IPSec, or some third-party (ie: proprietary) VPN connection? If you want IPSec, you can look at FreeS/WAN which interoperates with several different vendor's IPSec implementations. (http://www.xs4all.nl/~freeswan/) As was mentioned, PPP over SSH works (klugy, but I've done it and it works fairly decently) as well. ipchains/iptables will take care of your firewalling needs. VPN is a completely different puppy though. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "So Lone Star ... Now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Space Balls

April 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Leon Do

you may want to look into the compact Coyote Linux solution. They are easy to configure and the entire package is on a single floppy disk provide more secure to your network. They are available for free or commercial Here are their features: DHCP Connections Static IP Connections PPP Dialup PPPoE Connections DHCP Server IP Chains Firewalling IP Auto-forwarding Linux Floppy Builder PPTP Client Support Their web site is http://www.coyotelinux.com "Brian J. Conway" wrote: > > > After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains and > > firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am spending a lot > > of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does > > anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling > > products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow > > VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would > > be willing to pay for the appropriate solution. > > The approach I use for my home network is with masquerading a set of > 10.x IPs. For a configurable office solution I would recommend > something commercial or at least far more complex than what I have in > use, but my ipchains setup is as follows, for reference: > > /sbin/ipchains -F > /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY > /sbin/ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.254/24 > /sbin/ipchains -M -S 43200 120 300 > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_cuseeme > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_irc > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_quake > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_raudio > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_vdolive > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_user > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_icq > /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_msn > > For VPN-type connectivity I use ppp-over-ssh (search google, there are > plenty of howto's on it), but that's more of a hack than a useful > solution, though a clever one at that. =) > > Brian J. Conway > dogbert(a)clue4all.net > Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume > > Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. > (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Leon Do Lucent Technologies eServices Group 200 Lucent Lane Cary, NC 27511 email: leondo(a)lucent.com fax : (919) 463-4379 ph : (919) 463-3149

April 3, 2001

Volunteers needed!

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I have been asked to be the guest speaker at the Delphi Developers Group meeting in Newton, MA on Monday, April 23rd (http://www.discom.com/delphi) They are interested in Linux due to the recent product announcement of Borland Kylix (http://www.borland.com/kylix) These folks are a group of software developers living in the Windows world. I had planned to prepare a 45 - 60 minute talk, Q/A, and then demonstrate some apps for them, such as: StarOffice Netscape Developer tools and utilities VmWare LILO Desktops - KDE, Gnome, enlightenment, etc. Installation of Linux The above list was suggested to me by their representative as a list of things that would be interesting to their developers group. I am seeking 2 or 3 people would like to volunteer to demo some of these tools at the meeting, and who can provide support for the questions which I can't answer. I'm looking for folks with systems or laptops that they are willing to bring to this meeting for the demos. I would also appreciate a volunteer or two who would be willing to critique my presentation slides before the meeting. You would not need to actually attend the meeting. I'd e-mail the slides to you and request your written feedback. The Delphi group representative will also get a sneak preview. If you are interested in either of these opportunities, please contact me this week if at all possible. Thanks in advance! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Harris's Lament: All the good ones are Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | taken. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

April 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Brian J. Conway

> After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains and > firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am spending a lot > of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does > anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling > products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow > VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would > be willing to pay for the appropriate solution. The approach I use for my home network is with masquerading a set of 10.x IPs. For a configurable office solution I would recommend something commercial or at least far more complex than what I have in use, but my ipchains setup is as follows, for reference: /sbin/ipchains -F /sbin/ipchains -P forward DENY /sbin/ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 10.0.0.254/24 /sbin/ipchains -M -S 43200 120 300 /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_ftp /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_cuseeme /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_irc /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_quake /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_raudio /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_vdolive /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_user /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_icq /sbin/modprobe ip_masq_msn For VPN-type connectivity I use ppp-over-ssh (search google, there are plenty of howto's on it), but that's more of a hack than a useful solution, though a clever one at that. =) Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

April 3, 2001

Firewalls

by Michael Long

After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains and firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am spending a lot of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would be willing to pay for the appropriate solution. Mike

April 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Firewalls

by Doctor Orbitz

ipchains/iptables will do what you want. I forget the actual syntax, but you just canmaek a script (traditionally caleld rc.firewall) in your startup scripts and have ti run ipchains/iptables with the correct info. I can find out what the correct syntax is if you ened it. You can prolly do ipchains --help or iptables --help (for 2.4.x) These are free solutions btw. Orbitz Michael Long wrote: > After spending many hours this past week trying to understand ipchains and > firewalling in general I have come to the conclusion that I am spending a lot > of time trying to recreate something that probably already exists. Does > anyone have any experience with either open source or commercial firewalling > products that can be configured to work in a small office network and allow > VPN connections to larger networks. I do not have a very big budget but would > be willing to pay for the appropriate solution. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Startup issues

by Michael Long

Thanks, making it executable seems to have done the trick. On Monday 02 April 2001 00:55, you wrote: > > From: Michael Long <michaellong(a)charter.net> > > > > I have been playing with my network settings today and have made a > > change that has caused my system to be unable to read this file > > during boot up. Also any script that tries to read from it is unable > > to. Unfortunately I have no idea what I did to cause this. The > > following is the out put from 'ls -l' > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 Jan 30 19:59/ > > etc/rc.config.d/idedma.rc.config > > Looks readable to me. Can you 'cat' it? (or 'more' or 'less' it?) > Are you sure the script is not trying to _execute_ it? > > > I am running SuSE 7.0. > > I'm not, so I don't have that file. Or even that directory.

April 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Startup issues

by Keith Wright

> From: Michael Long <michaellong(a)charter.net> > > I have been playing with my network settings today and have made a > change that has caused my system to be unable to read this file > during boot up. Also any script that tries to read from it is unable > to. Unfortunately I have no idea what I did to cause this. The > following is the out put from 'ls -l' > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 Jan 30 19:59/ etc/rc.config.d/idedma.rc.config Looks readable to me. Can you 'cat' it? (or 'more' or 'less' it?) Are you sure the script is not trying to _execute_ it? > I am running SuSE 7.0. I'm not, so I don't have that file. Or even that directory. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 2, 2001

Startup issues

by Michael Long

I have been playing with my network settings today and have made a change that has caused my system to be unable to read this file during boot up. Also any script that tries to read from it is unable to. Unfortunately I have no idea what I did to cause this. The following is the out put from 'ls -l' -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 235 Jan 30 19:59/ etc/rc.config.d/idedma.rc.config I am running SuSE 7.0. Thanks, mike

April 1, 2001

Richard Stallman will be speaking at Holy Cross

by Andy Stewart

Hi WLUG members, Richard Stallman will be speaking at Holy Cross soon. See the details below in an e-mail which I recently received. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Being stoned on marijuana isn't very Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | different from being stoned on gin. -- Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | Ralph Nader http://www.wlug.org | -------- Original Message -------- Subject: GNU/Linux Event at Holy Cross Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:51:33 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Hwang <ahwang(a)mathcs.holycross.edu> Reply-To: Andrew Hwang <ahwang(a)mathcs.holycross.edu> To: astewart(a)world.std.com As part of an ongoing series of talks on Computer Science and Ethics, Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation will be speaking on Wednesday, April 18, at the College of the Holy Cross. The title of his talk is "The Free Software movement, and the GNU/Linux operating system" The talk will start at 3:30 and will run for about 2 hours (including Q&A). The location is 112 O'Neill Hall. The event is open to the public, and GNU software will be for sale. If you have questions about this event, please send me email at the address below. Hope to see you there! Andrew D. Hwang ahwang(a)mathcs.holycross.edu Department of Math and CS http://mathcs.holycross.edu/~ahwang College of the Holy Cross (508) 793-2458 (Office: 331 Swords Hall) Worcester, MA, 01610 (508) 793-3530 (fax)

March 23, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Help with NIS

by Brian J. Conway

> I have my NIS server running on a redhat box. Can somebody help me how > to setup my win machines to use linux NIS server? Windows machines can use NIS? I've set up Samba servers in the past masquerading as NT domain login machines, but I wasn't aware there was a better solution (minus Hummingbird, which I'm not even sure of the extent of NFS and NIS features). Anyone have a good explanation on what can be done? Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

March 19, 2001

Help with NIS

by Leon Do

I have my NIS server running on a redhat box. Can somebody help me how to setup my win machines to use linux NIS server? Thanks -- Leon Do

March 19, 2001

Problems

by Doctor Orbitz

I have Slackware 7.1 running on a an AMD 133Mhz box with 32Megs RAM. This is my webserver, shell server, Ip MASQ box, and it locks up alot. It seems to lock up when I'm downloading on a box in my network behind it. I am runnign Kernel 2.4.0 on an ADSL line. I have had this problem with all kernel compiles I have done. I used to run FreeBSD, then OpenBSD on this box with no trouble. I did not, however, have ADSL then, so those boxes were just using a dial-up. I think IP MASQ is lockign the box up at some point. There are no messages in /var/log/messages, it just stops cold. My PPPOE client, when running top, never appears to use more than 10% of my CPU. I do not think the problem is in the pppoe client because the box does not seem to lock up when I'm downloading on it. (as in ssh'ing in and using lynx). Does anyone have any ideas on this? Orbitz

March 16, 2001

Looking for someone to assist in setting up a server

by David Dondero

Hello all, My name is David Dondero and I am looking for someone who can help me set up a Red Hat Linux server that can: Use the apache webserver to set up hosting customer's webpages as well as my own Run RealServer basic for streaming audio and video live and on demand Run Darwin Streaming server for streaming audio and video live and on demand in QuickTime Run a Shoutcast server for live audio streaming I currently have a Duron 650 with a 15 and 20 gig hard drive 7200rpm with 128 megs of PC100 memory. Anyone interested please get in touch by either e-mail: daviddondero(a)radio521.com or phone H) 781-934-7978 W) 781-934-7035 thanks, David Dondero

March 15, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting on Wednesday, March 14th at 7 PM

by Jeremy

Would anyone be interested in seeing a wireless network in place? I have an Apple Airport working great at home that I could sudo-demo at the meeting... I have the 3com AirConnect PC Card also working on my laptop, which shows how to setup a PC card network adapter under linux as well. The Airport is connected to an IDSL in my apt and pretty easy to configure.. They do have a WIN/MAC client to configure it (my laptop is win/linux dual boot), but I also believe that they have a JAVA client (=linux) but I have not tried using that one yet either. Its about a $400 solution (base and PC CARD - kinda pricey for most college bound) but wicked convient for the home laptop and multiple computers (i.e. laptops and work stations) The airport does takes the place of using a linux box as a router / gateway though :-) It does NAT and a DHCP server - wicked simple and reliable. Just shows another angle / solution. This is low priority so if there is not enough time / interest no biggie... -Jeremy --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> wrote: > > HI everyone, > > This is a friendly reminder: the next WLUG meeting will be held on > Wednesday, > March 14th at 7 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. Directions can > be > found on the WLUG website: > > http://www.wlug.org > > WLUG members Doug Waud, Stephen Daukas, and Chuck Anderson have been working > together on the presentation for this meeting (at least that's the story I've > been given). They will be discussing their experiences with home networking. > > Check out the WLUG website for a more detailed description of the focus of > their > talk. I expect that this will be a good meeting for someone who might not > have > setup a home network but is considering it. > > After the presentation, if time allows, we'll open the floor for a general > question and answer session. > > At the conclusion of the meeting, a group of us will head over to the Boynton > Restaurant for some pizza and beer. > > As always, the meeting and the post-meeting festivities are open to anybody > who > is interested in Linux. No secret handshake is required. :-) > > See ya later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Aquadextrous, adj.: Possessing the > > Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | ability to turn the bathtub faucet on > and > Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | off with your toes. -- Rich Hall, > > http://www.wlug.org | "Sniglets" > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

March 13, 2001

REMINDER: Meeting on Wednesday, March 14th at 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI everyone, This is a friendly reminder: the next WLUG meeting will be held on Wednesday, March 14th at 7 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. Directions can be found on the WLUG website: http://www.wlug.org WLUG members Doug Waud, Stephen Daukas, and Chuck Anderson have been working together on the presentation for this meeting (at least that's the story I've been given). They will be discussing their experiences with home networking. Check out the WLUG website for a more detailed description of the focus of their talk. I expect that this will be a good meeting for someone who might not have setup a home network but is considering it. After the presentation, if time allows, we'll open the floor for a general question and answer session. At the conclusion of the meeting, a group of us will head over to the Boynton Restaurant for some pizza and beer. As always, the meeting and the post-meeting festivities are open to anybody who is interested in Linux. No secret handshake is required. :-) See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Aquadextrous, adj.: Possessing the Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | ability to turn the bathtub faucet on and Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | off with your toes. -- Rich Hall, http://www.wlug.org | "Sniglets"

March 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Open Source XML Programming Tutorial

by Doug Chamberlin

At 3/7/2001 04:33 PM (Wednesday), Steve Litt wrote: >Because most XML books and websites force the you to recite Microsoft >incantations, I wrote an all Open Source XML programming tutorial using Linux >and Xerces-Java from Apache Software Foundation. It thoroughly covers coding >of DOM, SAX, and DTD's. > >http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200103/200103.htm Thanks for doing that, Steve. XML - The ASCII of the 21st Century!

March 7, 2001

Open Source XML Programming Tutorial

by Steve Litt

Hi all, Because most XML books and websites force the you to recite Microsoft incantations, I wrote an all Open Source XML programming tutorial using Linux and Xerces-Java from Apache Software Foundation. It thoroughly covers coding of DOM, SAX, and DTD's. http://www.troubleshooters.com/tpromag/200103/200103.htm Enjoy! SteveT Steve Litt Webmaster, Troubleshooters.Com http://www.troubleshooters.com slitt(a)troubleshooters.com

March 7, 2001

Set Date/Time

by Peter Nikolla

I would like to thank everyone that helped me with the setting of date/time. I think the hwclock command did the trick. thanx Peter N.

March 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time

by Keith Wright

> From: "Peter Nikolla" <petern(a)hvnnet.com> > > I am having a problem setting the date/time on my Linux box. If you are not dual booting, set the proper time in UCT (Greenwich) in the ROM bios. Once that is right, it will become clear what is wrong. If you are dual booting, you may be forced to set the hardware clock to local civil time. That is no disaster, but you have to think harder to get it right. I think 'hwclock' should only be used to make small adjustments if the clock drifts after being set correctly. I am not sure what 'date' is for in SET! mode (as opposed to DISPLAY mode). Maybe in case you need to back-date some documents without re-booting. > I set it using date 030310152001 for 3/3/2001 10:15. I almost wrote back "thou fool, hast permuted fields", but the 'man date' page seems to agree with you. Can anybody think of a more obtuse way to write a date? Sometimes Unix is embarrasing. > until I reboot the box. At that time it changes to some other time. Calculate the amount of change and meditate upon that number. > I checked my CMOS and the time is correct. What am I doing wrong? Correct local or correct UCT? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

March 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Keith Wright wrote: > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 20:50:27 -0500 > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)gis.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time > > > From: "Peter Nikolla" <petern(a)hvnnet.com> > > > > Hi, > > > > I am having a problem setting the date/time on my Linux box. > > > > I set it using date 030310152001 for 3/3/2001 10:15. Everyting seems fine > > until I reboot the box. At that time it changes to some other time. I > > checked my CMOS and the time is correct. What am I doing wrong? > > > > Check /etc/adjtime and if it has big numbers in it, delete it. > Read "man hwclock" to understand why. > > -- > -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> > > Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> > --- Food, Shelter, Source code. --- > _______________________________________________ <snip> I'm not sure that's the right approach. The adjtime file needs a rational setting, which it gets by noting the drift in hwclock time v. "real" time, which assumes that the real (system) time is accurate (nntp service?). This may help... 1. Get you system time set correctly. 2. run hwclock --systohc --utc (you determine if the --utc is right for you. 3. Wait a day or 2 while you system is still up. Don't reboot. 4. Check you system time & make sure it's right. 5. Do step #2 again. Any hwclock time drift will be reflected in the adjtime file. Bill

March 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time

by Keith Wright

> From: "Peter Nikolla" <petern(a)hvnnet.com> > > Hi, > > I am having a problem setting the date/time on my Linux box. > > I set it using date 030310152001 for 3/3/2001 10:15. Everyting seems fine > until I reboot the box. At that time it changes to some other time. I > checked my CMOS and the time is correct. What am I doing wrong? > Check /etc/adjtime and if it has big numbers in it, delete it. Read "man hwclock" to understand why. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

March 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time

by Mike Gorse

Oops; discard my previous message; I was not thinking at all or reading carefully... Could your time zone be set incorrectly? Make sure /etc/localtime is linked to the correct file (/usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern, for instance), and be sure that your os isn't configured to use gmt when you don't have your clock set to gmt or vice versa. --Michael Gorse, WPI CS '01 / ICQ:22583968 / http://www.wpi.edu/~mgorse/ --

March 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Set Date/Time

by Mike Gorse

Peter, Using date to set the date doesn't automatically modify the cmos clock. Try running hwclock --systohc after running date to set the hardware clock. Read the hwclock manpage for more information. --Michael Gorse, WPI CS '01 / ICQ:22583968 / http://www.wpi.edu/~mgorse/ --

March 3, 2001

Set Date/Time

by Peter Nikolla

Hi, I am having a problem setting the date/time on my Linux box. I set it using date 030310152001 for 3/3/2001 10:15. Everyting seems fine until I reboot the box. At that time it changes to some other time. I checked my CMOS and the time is correct. What am I doing wrong? thanx for your help. Peter N.

March 3, 2001

UNIX Developer Positions

by B.J. Herbison

HighGround Systems has a couple of positions open for experienced UNIX developers. Our current storage resource management products support several versions of UNIX, and we expect to do more UNIX work when our purchase by Sun Microsystems is completed. Two of the current positions have UNIX in the title, but most of the open positions list UNIX as a relevant technology. Please send me your resume if you are interested in one of the positions. B.J. Employment: http://www.highground.com/employment/default.htm Career Opportunities: http://www.highground.com/employment/careers.htm Principal Engineer UNIX Developer: http://www.highground.com/employment/careers.htm#pe_unixd Principal Engineer - Senior UNIX Developer: http://www.highground.com/employment/careers.htm#two -- B.J. Herbison / bj(a)herbison.com / http://www.herbison.com/herbison/bj.html The Next Asylum / 203 Long Hill Road / Bolton, MA 01740-1421 / +1 978 634-1061

March 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Stephen C. Daukas

I use the SB4100 - it came with the service (Shrewsbury Town Cable) and the cost is, presumably, bundled with the monthly fee as there was no purchase option. Shrewsbury does swap Modems from time to time... This modem works fine for me (500 Up and Down) but then again, I think of it as just a pipe fitting connecting my LAN (via router) to Shrewsbury Cable. ;-) At 05:50 PM 2/28/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I'm about to take the plunge and get hooked up to Charter Cable for >internet access. Does anyone have any experience/recommendations for >cable modems? Is it better to buy my own, and from where? > >TIA, >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Doug Chamberlin

At 3/1/2001 10:58 AM (Thursday), John Stoffel wrote: >You also have to be careful that you don't get a model they don't support, >or which won't work with their system... Note that the vendor's requirements may also change over time. MediaOne changed some of their modems in some areas. Those who rented the modems from them had them swapped out at no charge. Those that bought had to re-purchase. Probably doesn't happen too often but it might.

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by John Stoffel

Bill> Which model, and what did they charge? Urq... I think its a 3100. Bill> As you noted, I didn't find many good hits searching for this on Bill> the net, but they do show up on ebay. An SB3100 looks like it Bill> will go for something over $180, while an SB4100 is bidding at Bill> $225 with 2 days to go. I have no clue about the models. I personally feel the ebay is a bad place to get deals. But that's just me. I just paid the price that Charter was asking since I would own it and be able to use it for quite a while after that. You also have to be careful that you don't get a model they don't support, or which won't work with their system... John

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] UNIX Admin position

by Keith Wright

If you meant to send this to the original poster, you made a little mistake and sent it to the list. If you meant to send an attached MSWord file to the Ascii Linux list you made a big mistake. > From: "Aljerin L. Butler, Jr." <abutler(a)mediaone.net> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------2F676A92112FEC7E2776479D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > --------------2F676A92112FEC7E2776479D > Content-Type: application/msword; > name="alb_res_2000.doc" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename="alb_res_2000.doc" > > 0M8R4KGxGuEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOwADAP7/CQAGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAKgAAAAAA > AAAAEAAAAgAAAAEAAAD+////AAAAAAAAAAD///////////////////////////////////// > AAAAAP7///8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////////////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/v///wAAAAAAAAAA > --------------2F676A92112FEC7E2776479D--

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] UNIX Admin position

by Aljerin L. Butler, Jr.

"Ritacco, Alan" wrote: > I was very successful last time in mailing this list when I was looking for > a UNIX (Solaris) admin [about a year ago I sent a similar message in which > Adam responded and has been working at UMASS since]. > > I am now again looking to fill a UNIX admin position at UMASS Medical School > (in Worcester). If you know anyone and or you are interested please email > me your resume and I will forward it to the powers to be. > > Thanks > > And sorry for the spam :) > > Al > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by John Murphy

On Wednesday 28 February 2001 18:31, you wrote: > > Which model, and what did they charge? > > As you noted, I didn't find many good hits searching for this on the > net, but they do show up on ebay. An SB3100 looks like it will go for > something over $180, while an SB4100 is bidding at $225 with 2 days to > go. I have no clue about the models. > > Thanks, > Bill For those prices you might as well buy it from Charter. I got mine back in October and if you rent it it was $15 a month. If you bought the modem it was $195.00. If you take the buy option you can spread the modem payment out over three months. I took the buy option it will pay for itself in a year. John................... Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Michael Long

I am using charter as well. With the promotion of a free month of service if I bought the modem from them I paid $135 for my surfboard modem...so far no problem. The only complaint is that occasionally the mail servers go down. This is a relatively infrequent occurance and is only a minor inconvienance. mike <snip> > As you noted, I didn't find many good hits searching for this on the > net, but they do show up on ebay. An SB3100 looks like it will go for > something over $180, while an SB4100 is bidding at $225 with 2 days to > go. I have no clue about the models. > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Clint Moyer

I also bought the Motorola modem directly from Charter. It was $200 and they'll split it into 4 payments tacked on to your bill. I let the installer set it up on my W2K box and, after he left, swapped the cat5 to my Linux box. I set it up for NAT and everything worked fine. I've since bought a Linksys router so I can tear apart my Linux box without disrupting internet access for the rest of my network. There's never been any problem with Charter, though the speed is nowhere near 1.5 Mbps. Clint Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, John Stoffel wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:08:53 -0500 > > From: John Stoffel <stoffel(a)casc.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem > > > > > > Bill> I'm about to take the plunge and get hooked up to Charter Cable > > Bill> for internet access. Does anyone have any > > Bill> experience/recommendations for cable modems? Is it better to > > Bill> buy my own, and from where? > > > > I just ended up buying it from Charter, since they're really hard to > > find elsewhere. I'm happy with the Motorola SurfBoard I've got now. > > > > John > <snip> > > John, > > Which model, and what did they charge? > > As you noted, I didn't find many good hits searching for this on the > net, but they do show up on ebay. An SB3100 looks like it will go for > something over $180, while an SB4100 is bidding at $225 with 2 days to > go. I have no clue about the models. > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, John Stoffel wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:08:53 -0500 > From: John Stoffel <stoffel(a)casc.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem > > > Bill> I'm about to take the plunge and get hooked up to Charter Cable > Bill> for internet access. Does anyone have any > Bill> experience/recommendations for cable modems? Is it better to > Bill> buy my own, and from where? > > I just ended up buying it from Charter, since they're really hard to > find elsewhere. I'm happy with the Motorola SurfBoard I've got now. > > John <snip> John, Which model, and what did they charge? As you noted, I didn't find many good hits searching for this on the net, but they do show up on ebay. An SB3100 looks like it will go for something over $180, while an SB4100 is bidding at $225 with 2 days to go. I have no clue about the models. Thanks, Bill

Feb. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by Thomas Carey

Feb. 28, 2001

UNIX Admin position

by Ritacco, Alan

I was very successful last time in mailing this list when I was looking for a UNIX (Solaris) admin [about a year ago I sent a similar message in which Adam responded and has been working at UMASS since]. I am now again looking to fill a UNIX admin position at UMASS Medical School (in Worcester). If you know anyone and or you are interested please email me your resume and I will forward it to the powers to be. Thanks And sorry for the spam :) Al

Feb. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem

by John Stoffel

Bill> I'm about to take the plunge and get hooked up to Charter Cable Bill> for internet access. Does anyone have any Bill> experience/recommendations for cable modems? Is it better to Bill> buy my own, and from where? I just ended up buying it from Charter, since they're really hard to find elsewhere. I'm happy with the Motorola SurfBoard I've got now. John

Feb. 28, 2001

Cable Modem

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm about to take the plunge and get hooked up to Charter Cable for internet access. Does anyone have any experience/recommendations for cable modems? Is it better to buy my own, and from where? TIA, Bill

Feb. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Network problem: mine or theirs?

by ccb＠acm.org

Hmmm. Perhaps they have a proxy in-line and the proxy is having trouble. ccb -- Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300 +1 617 543-6513 Burlington, MA 01803-4145 ccb(a)valinux.com www.valinux.com

Feb. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Network problem: mine or theirs?

by Andy Stewart

Hi all, I've isolated this problem to one machine on my home network. Other machines on my home network seem to be OK. That would put the problem in the "mine" category. :-) Now, to figure out what's going on..... It appears not to be DNS as a ping command to a variety of hosts at least returns the correct IP address. Time to do more investigation. Later, Andy Frank Sweetser wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:20:34AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have a problem accessing the Internet. On precisely every other attempt, I > > get failures. > > > > For example, every other unique URL I click in Netscape gives me the following > > error: > > > > A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. > > (Network error: connection reset by peer) > > Try connecting again. > > This doesn't look like a DNS issue - it sounds like the tcp stream that > Netscape opened to suck down a file got closed abrubtly. Try starting > up a running ping to a site while you're browsing it to see if there's > any packet loss. > > -- > Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. > --- Calvin > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | If God had intended Men to Smoke, He Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | would have put Chimneys in their Heads. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

Feb. 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Network problem: mine or theirs?

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:20:34AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a problem accessing the Internet. On precisely every other attempt, I > get failures. > > For example, every other unique URL I click in Netscape gives me the following > error: > > A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. > (Network error: connection reset by peer) > Try connecting again. This doesn't look like a DNS issue - it sounds like the tcp stream that Netscape opened to suck down a file got closed abrubtly. Try starting up a running ping to a site while you're browsing it to see if there's any packet loss. -- Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I have plenty of common sense, I just choose to ignore it. --- Calvin

Feb. 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Network problem: mine or theirs?

by Marc Hughes

You can set up a caching nameserver on your local machine that queries the root DNS servers fairly easily. That way you could be sure if it was their DNS servers or not (by not using theirs). Have you tried another web browser (ie lynx, opera, mozilla) to see if it's netscape? Can you ftp to remote sites without problem? -Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Stewart" <astewart(a)world.std.com> To: "WLUG" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: [Wlug] Network problem: mine or theirs? > > Hi all, > > I have a problem accessing the Internet. On precisely every other attempt, I > get failures. > > For example, every other unique URL I click in Netscape gives me the following > error: > > A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. > (Network error: connection reset by peer) > Try connecting again. > > I suspect that my network provider's DNS server is having problems. Since I'm a > DHCP client of AT&T Broadband, I tried removing all but one of the nameserver > lines in the /etc/resolv.conf file to see if one of them was flaky. After > trying all 3 provided nameservers uniquely, either this isn't the problem, or > they're all flaky. > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | It is easier to change the specification > Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | to fit the program than vice versa. > Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | > http://www.wlug.org | > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 24, 2001

Network problem: mine or theirs?

by Andy Stewart

Hi all, I have a problem accessing the Internet. On precisely every other attempt, I get failures. For example, every other unique URL I click in Netscape gives me the following error: A network error occurred while Netscape was receiving data. (Network error: connection reset by peer) Try connecting again. I suspect that my network provider's DNS server is having problems. Since I'm a DHCP client of AT&T Broadband, I tried removing all but one of the nameserver lines in the /etc/resolv.conf file to see if one of them was flaky. After trying all 3 provided nameservers uniquely, either this isn't the problem, or they're all flaky. Any thoughts? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | It is easier to change the specification Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | to fit the program than vice versa. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

Feb. 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] PPPD 2.3.11 on kernel 2.4.1

by John Stoffel

You need to upgrade to ppp-2.4.0 to work with kernel 2.4.x, I ran into the same problem myself. 2.4.1 seems quite good so far, though 2.4.2 is out and has some fixes for a potentially nasty bug. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

Feb. 23, 2001

PPPD 2.3.11 on kernel 2.4.1

by Peter Gutowski

I've got kernel 2.4.1 up and running and am pleased that all seems to be relatively well. My boss has an iMac at home and dials in via a ppp connection to one of my linux boxes running now 2.4.1. I've played with various ppp options and have removed just about everything from the /etc/ppp/options file. Feb 23 11:37:15 lx1 pppd[10485]: pppd 2.3.11 started by a_ppp, uid 0 Feb 23 11:37:15 lx1 pppd[10485]: ioctl(PPPIOCGFLAGS): Invalid argument Feb 23 11:37:15 lx1 pppd[10485]: tcsetattr: Invalid argument Feb 23 11:37:15 lx1 pppd[10485]: Exit. Here's the current modules: (root on lx1) peterg # lsmod Module Size Used by iptable_mangle 1884 0 (unused) iptable_filter 1848 0 (unused) ip_tables 13016 2 [iptable_mangle iptable_filter] slip 5688 0 (unused) bsd_comp 4172 0 (unused) ppp_deflate 41148 0 (unused) ppp_async 6060 0 ppp_generic 13088 0 [bsd_comp ppp_deflate ppp_async] slhc 4836 0 [ppp_generic] 3c59x 23420 2 (autoclean) agpgart 21900 0 (unused) I also happened to read something this morning on lwn.net (http://lwn.net/2001/0222/kernel.php3) that suggested that certain ppp things weren't working because the MTU min size was higher than ppp wanted to set. As it suggested i've done: `echo 256 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/min_adv_mss` to no avail! I keep suggesting (lately increasingly less subtly) that he consider a cable modem but so far he still wants to do it this way. Any ideas? -- Peter Gutowski peterg(a)powervue.com http://www.powervue.com/~peterg

Feb. 23, 2001

Re: [Wlug] easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...

by askec

It's in StarOffice 5.1 too. -- end Adam S. Keck | | askec(a)conncoll.edu Millbury, Ma 01527 | "Got Linux?"

Feb. 23, 2001

Re: [Wlug] easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...

by cc.noyes

Yep...it's really there...in German. -Chuck "Keller, Tim" wrote: > (got this off the boston linux users group mail) > > type =GAME("StarWars") into a cell in StarOffice calc and see what happens > > Note: I don't have staroffice 5.2 so I can't confirm it... > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 23, 2001

To: wlug.org message board manager

by Alexander S. Leon

The postings on the message board at wlug.org have the wrong year attached to them. I posted a message on 2/21/01, and the date on it is "2/21/00", instead of "2/21/01". This ought to be corrected. I hope this gets to the right person...

Feb. 22, 2001

Re: [Wlug] easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...

by Colin Novick

Tim et. al., One last note on the Easter Egg: It is not a fixed thing that works all the time. If you close the "Star Wars" window and try typing the command into the sheet to restart it you will immediately get the text "oh, no, not again" Colin Novick

Feb. 22, 2001

Re: [Wlug] easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...

by Colin Novick

Tim, I can confirm the StarWars in the StarOffice 5.2. It is truly there (in the Windows version too). when you type: "=GAME("StarWars")" then hit enter. Colin Novick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 02/22/01, 13:12:19, "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote regarding [Wlug] easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...: > (got this off the boston linux users group mail) > type =GAME("StarWars") into a cell in StarOffice calc and see what happens > Note: I don't have staroffice 5.2 so I can't confirm it... > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 22, 2001

easter egg in staroffice 5.2 calc...

by Keller, Tim

(got this off the boston linux users group mail) type =GAME("StarWars") into a cell in StarOffice calc and see what happens Note: I don't have staroffice 5.2 so I can't confirm it... Tim.

Feb. 22, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ssh

by Brad Noyes

Thanks guys! i was able to get the authentication to work using ssh-agent. Thanks again. --Brad On Tuesday 20 February 2001 14:19, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Pedro Soria-Rodriguez wrote: > > sorrod> You can setup your ssh session so that it uses > sorrod> certificates to authenticate you to the server, instead of > sorrod> using username/password conbination. THen your > sorrod> certificate is kept in your account in your client > sorrod> machine. When you connect to the server, the ssh client > sorrod> automatically grabs your cert., does a few operations with > sorrod> the server to authenticate you, and you are all set. You > sorrod> don't need to enter anything manually. > > You should give your certificate (RSA or DSA key) a passphrase to keep it > more secure. You could then use ssh-agent to cache the key in memory for > the duration of a session so you don't need to enter the passphrase every > time. > > sorrod> from the security point of view, you need to keep your > sorrod> certificate in the client machine safe, obviously. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ssh

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Pedro Soria-Rodriguez wrote: sorrod> You can setup your ssh session so that it uses sorrod> certificates to authenticate you to the server, instead of sorrod> using username/password conbination. THen your sorrod> certificate is kept in your account in your client sorrod> machine. When you connect to the server, the ssh client sorrod> automatically grabs your cert., does a few operations with sorrod> the server to authenticate you, and you are all set. You sorrod> don't need to enter anything manually. You should give your certificate (RSA or DSA key) a passphrase to keep it more secure. You could then use ssh-agent to cache the key in memory for the duration of a session so you don't need to enter the passphrase every time. sorrod> from the security point of view, you need to keep your sorrod> certificate in the client machine safe, obviously.

Feb. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ssh

by Pedro Soria-Rodriguez

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Brad Noyes wrote: > "ssh -C -f me(a)pop.myserver -L 10110:pop.myserver:110 sleep 30" > Well every time i create the tunnel i have to enter my password for > the pop server. Is there a way to use ssh tools so i don't have to > enter my password? I'm using kmail is that's relevant. You can setup your ssh session so that it uses certificates to authenticate you to the server, instead of using username/password conbination. THen your certificate is kept in your account in your client machine. When you connect to the server, the ssh client automatically grabs your cert., does a few operations with the server to authenticate you, and you are all set. You don't need to enter anything manually. from the security point of view, you need to keep your certificate in the client machine safe, obviously. -- Pedro Soria-Rodriguez sorrodp(a)alum.wpi.edu

Feb. 20, 2001

ssh

by Brad Noyes

Hi, When i pop my mail i create a tunnel through ssh, and pop through that. Using this command "ssh -C -f me(a)pop.myserver -L 10110:pop.myserver:110 sleep 30" Well every time i create the tunnel i have to enter my password for the pop server. Is there a way to use ssh tools so i don't have to enter my password? I'm using kmail is that's relevant. Thanks, --Brad

Feb. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] 900 pair -22 AWG ,PE89 cable for sale !!!

by Andy Stewart

Frank Sweetser wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:50:39PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > How about changing the list setup so that only subscribers can post? > > Spam like this hasn't been a big problem so far... Unless that changes, > I'd rather leave it open posting. I agree with Frank. Let's leave the list open for posting for now. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "I hate it when my foot falls asleep Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | during the day cause that means it's Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | going to be up all night." -- Steven http://www.wlug.org | Wright

Feb. 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] 900 pair -22 AWG ,PE89 cable for sale !!!

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 12:50:39PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: > How about changing the list setup so that only subscribers can post? Spam like this hasn't been a big problem so far... Unless that changes, I'd rather leave it open posting. -- Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three"

Feb. 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] 900 pair -22 AWG ,PE89 cable for sale !!!

by Brian J. Conway

How about changing the list setup so that only subscribers can post? -b

Feb. 19, 2001

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Feb. 17, 2001

Re: [Wlug] OpenOffice

by Dan Potter

Alright, who wants to write an OpenOffice spellchecker? It can't be too hard to steal - I mean, work based off of aspell... You can start at <http://aspell.sourceforge.net/>... :) "Brian J. Conway" wrote: > > Do you know where I can find this module, or how to set it up? the openoffice > > webpage isnt' much help > > It was removed from the source because the company that it was > originally licensed from wasn't interested in GPLing it. I don't think > you'd be able to find it in any binary form that would fit into the > OpenOffice architecture.

Feb. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] OpenOffice

by Brian J. Conway

> Do you know where I can find this module, or how to set it up? the openoffice > webpage isnt' much help It was removed from the source because the company that it was originally licensed from wasn't interested in GPLing it. I don't think you'd be able to find it in any binary form that would fit into the OpenOffice architecture. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

Feb. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] OpenOffice

by Brian J. Conway

> I use OpenOffice for myst school word processing, it is pretty awesome, > but lacks on thing, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get > the spell checker to work. Does anyone else here have that problem? Has > anyone gotten it to work? If so let me know please. Spell checking was a third-party module included in StarOffice, as was the printing system. Preliminary version of both are in the works, and I believe printing is in the latest build of OpenOffice, though I've never used it. Sun is supposed to be releasing StarOffice 6 sometime soon, which I would guess would include these extras and be somewhat based on OpenOffice, but I've only heard rumors back and forth to that end. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024)

Feb. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Thanks!

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:59:28PM +0000, Doctor Orbitz wrote: > Hey, thanks alot all of you who went to > http://orbitz.dyn.dhs.org/test.php. Proof positive that people can be helpful when you make it insanely easy for them! ;) -Chuck

Feb. 15, 2001

Re: [Wlug] OpenOffice

by Doctor Orbitz

Do you know where I can find this module, or how to set it up? the openoffice webpage isnt' much help Orbitz "Brian J. Conway" wrote: > > I use OpenOffice for myst school word processing, it is pretty awesome, > > but lacks on thing, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get > > the spell checker to work. Does anyone else here have that problem? Has > > anyone gotten it to work? If so let me know please. > > Spell checking was a third-party module included in StarOffice, as was > the printing system. Preliminary version of both are in the works, and > I believe printing is in the latest build of OpenOffice, though I've > never used it. Sun is supposed to be releasing StarOffice 6 sometime > soon, which I would guess would include these extras and be somewhat > based on OpenOffice, but I've only heard rumors back and forth to that > end. > > Brian J. Conway > dogbert(a)clue4all.net > Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume > > Men may control the free world, but women control the boobs. > (http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20001024) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 15, 2001

OpenOffice

by Doctor Orbitz

I use OpenOffice for myst school word processing, it is pretty awesome, but lacks on thing, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get the spell checker to work. Does anyone else here have that problem? Has anyone gotten it to work? If so let me know please. Orbitz

Feb. 15, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Memory issues

by Guilderson, Tom W.

Are you positive that the problem is memory and not CPU? Most decoding of audit and video is very cpu intensive. If the audio/video app gets swapped out (of the cpu), you can notice choppiness in quality. A good graphical tool such as Xosview can give you an indication where the bottleneck might be since you can see CPU, memory, swap, disk, etc. all at once and see what is pegged. > > michaellong> Is there a way to reserve a block of memory when starting > michaellong> realaudio. I have noticed that when my system is > running out > michaellong> of free memory the audio quality goes to sh*t as the open > michaellong> application fight over resources. > > Without the source, no. With the source, you could do an > mlockall(MCL_FUTURE), which would lock all of the app's pages into > memory. > > One question, though. When you say your system is > running out of free > memory, on what are you basing that statement? The > output of free? > Much of what is in memory is cached. If it wasn't, > performance would > suck. Thus, the "free" field should report very little > if your OS is > being at all effective at memory management. > > One other question, what kernel version are you running? >

Feb. 15, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Assembly compiler in Bash...

by Jeffry Smith

> Hey Everybody, > > 1st... I won't make it to the meeting tonight, but in regards to the > installfest on Saturday, I'm looking for a couple more > installers/volunteers... > > 2nd... I was reading slashdot and saw that some guy wrote an assembly > compiler in Bash... > > I think next someone needs to write a bash shell in scheme... > Well, they're not the same thing, but psh is the perl shell (use perl for a shell language) and esh is the lisp shell (easy shell) jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: cycle of reincarnation n. See wheel of reincarnation.

Feb. 15, 2001

Thanks!

by Doctor Orbitz

Hey, thanks alot all of you who went to http://orbitz.dyn.dhs.org/test.php. For those of you wondering why the heck I'd ask a such a thing, here is an explination. A friend of mine got a cool (but I'm assuming not very new idea) for passive OS detection through version strings on network software, in this case web browsers. What the php script does is log all of your version (User-Agent header) strings to a file, then by doing some greps and sort I create a wonderful list of all the strings. Then I use a perl script i made to convert the version strings to snort (www.snort.org) rule sets. So now when people visit http://orbitz.dyn.dhs.org/ and they are using a web browser in my data base, I can log what OS, web browser, and whatelse is in the header. So the bigger the database, the more people I can pick up. Its a pretty cool idea I think. There are other ways (probably simpler and more efficient) of doing this. Such as possible an apache mod. Thanks again, Orbitz

Feb. 15, 2001

Assembly compiler in Bash...

by Keller, Tim

Hey Everybody, 1st... I won't make it to the meeting tonight, but in regards to the installfest on Saturday, I'm looking for a couple more installers/volunteers... 2nd... I was reading slashdot and saw that some guy wrote an assembly compiler in Bash... I think next someone needs to write a bash shell in scheme... Later, Tim.

Feb. 15, 2001

Volunteers

by Orbitz

Hey, Could you guys help me out with alittle project I'm doing? I'm trying to compile a (hopefully) large list of webbrowser version strings. All you have to do is goto http://orbitz.dyn.dhs.org/test.php and I can do the rest. Thanks, Orbitz

Feb. 15, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Memory issues

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] Memory issues; Michael Long <michaellong(a)charter.net> adds: michaellong> Is there a way to reserve a block of memory when starting michaellong> realaudio. I have noticed that when my system is running out michaellong> of free memory the audio quality goes to sh*t as the open michaellong> application fight over resources. Without the source, no. With the source, you could do an mlockall(MCL_FUTURE), which would lock all of the app's pages into memory. One question, though. When you say your system is running out of free memory, on what are you basing that statement? The output of free? Much of what is in memory is cached. If it wasn't, performance would suck. Thus, the "free" field should report very little if your OS is being at all effective at memory management. One other question, what kernel version are you running? Regards, Jeff

Feb. 15, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Memory issues

by Michael Long

Oops. I did not mean to leave the outputs from 'free' in this message :( ... please ignore them. On Wednesday 14 February 2001 16:42, Michael Long wrote: > Is there a way to reserve a block of memory when starting realaudio. I have > noticed that when my system is running out of free memory the audio quality > goes to sh*t as the open application fight over resources. > > Mike > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 261668 24760 236908 0 5472 6712 > -/+ buffers/cache: 12576 249092 > Swap: 136512 0 136512 > > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 261668 159788 101880 0 6396 73424 > -/+ buffers/cache: 79968 181700 > Swap: 136512 0 136512 > > > total used free shared buffers cached > Mem: 261668 93128 168540 0 6632 73600 > -/+ buffers/cache: 12896 248772 > Swap: 136512 0 136512 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 15, 2001

Memory issues

by Michael Long

Is there a way to reserve a block of memory when starting realaudio. I have noticed that when my system is running out of free memory the audio quality goes to sh*t as the open application fight over resources. Mike total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 261668 24760 236908 0 5472 6712 -/+ buffers/cache: 12576 249092 Swap: 136512 0 136512 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 261668 159788 101880 0 6396 73424 -/+ buffers/cache: 79968 181700 Swap: 136512 0 136512 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 261668 93128 168540 0 6632 73600 -/+ buffers/cache: 12896 248772 Swap: 136512 0 136512

Feb. 14, 2001

Player Question

by gwlt＠ma.ultranet.com

Newbie looking for quick suggestions. In search of a good media player that operates in Linux and can play either (preferably) RealMedia, or (sadly) WindowsMedia formats. Any suggestions? Sorry for this ultrasimplistic question. Colin

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Player Question

by Doctor Orbitz

I do not know of any Linux player that handles WMP files. However, for RealMedia, you are in luck. There is a little program called RealPlayer which appears to work great for RealMedia files:) Orbitz gwlt(a)ma.ultranet.com wrote: > Newbie looking for quick suggestions. > In search of a good media player that operates in Linux and can play > either (preferably) RealMedia, or (sadly) WindowsMedia formats. Any > suggestions? > Sorry for this ultrasimplistic question. > Colin

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: Doug Chamberlin <dchamberlin(a)ne.mediaone.net> > Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: > >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > > Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I > hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is > going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten > you at this time. OK, I guess that counts as support. I humbly apologize for name calling, but my ignorance is at least in part due to the fact that neither the original message nor the cited web site ever got around to saying: Marc> Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! Thank you Marc. You write better than Borland.

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Brian J. Conway

> I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? (Score:-1, Lame) -b

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:10:23PM -0500, Pedro Soria-Rodriguez wrote: > I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp > server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't > have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty > fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it > connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network > on the other. I do about the same at my home. It's about the same hardware (the CPU is actually a 486-upgrade-type chip, supposed to be a p75-esque), same RAM, 3GB hard drive, and an assortment of other random parts. Acts as: firewall/nat gateway, account server (nis), file server (nfs + smb), web proxy (squid), fake web server (perl script to serve out proxy.pac to internal web browsers), and internal name server (named/bind). It runs all of them well, except it's slow! Not because of the processor, but because of the RAM. Of the 16MB RAM, 12MB is used by squid to keep track of the proxy files/memory cache. Either the removal of the proxy or the addition or ram would make this thing jump through hoops. I want to add a real web server (apache w/ php) and MySQL, but am waiting to pick up some more RAM first. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." - Zen Musings

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Pedro Soria-Rodriguez

> Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away > yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want > to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't Well, you can do many things. A P133 with 16 or 32 MB of RAM is a pretty good machine. I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network on the other. So a P133 has plenty of power to do "some kind of networking". -- Pedro Soria-Rodriguez sorrodp(a)alum.wpi.edu

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Leon Do

Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't want those PCs because of shipping is about the same as the costs. (I am not from MA) Leon Do Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) > > If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to > get it to the right place. > > Thanks, > Bill Mills-Curran > 508 836-3160 (home) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Leon Do Lucent Technologies eServices Group 200 Lucent Lane Cary, NC 27511 email: leondo(a)lucent.com fax : (919) 463-4379 ph : (919) 463-3149

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Marc Hughes

Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! The initial version of kylix is just Borland Delphi, but the plan on releasing a C++ builder version eventually. For those of you who don't know what Delphi is, is a full RAD (like VB) but with a language that actually makes sense behind it (unlike VB). It's fully OO, and has tons and tons of developers behind it. http://www.borland.com/kylix The best part is, in the middle of this year they will be releasing a version for free (as in beer) for people to develop free (as in speach) applications with. (You still need to pay the $1000 to develop commercial apps) If you ask me, this is a good thing for linux. Currently we have no good development environments. Sure we have good compilers, and good debuggers, and good editors... but an entire environment is what lets developers focus on writing software and not fighting with the tools. In delphi I can write a full GUI app that does something nifty in Delphi in an afternoon. Using emacs, QT, and gcc... it takes me a couple days. Also, there are literally thousands of programs written in Delphi, supposedly Delphi & kylix will be source code compatible (except the API of some of the components) so porting should be very easy. -- -Marc And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face when you least expect it. -Linus Torvalds On Tuesday 13 February 2001 11:41, you wrote: > > From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! > > Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, > and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand > bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) > is. There used to be a pretty good software company named > Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire > chain-letter authors for salesmen?

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support >and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, >and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand >bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) >is. There used to be a pretty good software company named >Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire >chain-letter authors for salesmen? Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten you at this time.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) is. There used to be a pretty good software company named Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire chain-letter authors for salesmen? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Jeffry Smith

Bill Mills-Curran said: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) Actually, I suspect setting up the system with SO5.2, with everything preloaded, would work as well as anything else, and would not be subject to corruption that Win95/98 has (i.e. user can't kill critical files, without root access). Also not subject to Windows Registry bit-rot. And not require licensing fees (remember, that Windows / Office is NOT free, and I always encourage paying of licensing fees, following of copyright, etc). Another item is that NH currently has a program that takes old computers, has the prisoners at Concord rebuild them into Linux servers, and donates them to charities for servers / workstations. Contact is bobnhlinux(a)aol.com (Bob Sparks). jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: YA- abbrev. [Yet Another] In hackish acronyms this almost invariably expands to Yet Another, following the precedent set by Unix yacc(1) (Yet Another Compiler-Compiler). See YABA.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > Thanks a lot > > Leon Do > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Leon, I'm glad you asked... <start charity opportunity message> :-) You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids around Africa. To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some computers to do their homework. Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to get it to the right place. Thanks, Bill Mills-Curran 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 13, 2001