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Re: [Wlug] Re: Configuring Linux laptop for cable modem access???

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 09:31:28AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > WLUG: Any thoughts on how to configure a laptop running RedHat 7.1 for > access to the Charter Pipeline cable modem? Is there anything special > with Charter Pipeline vs. any other cable modem? When I helped a friend set up his box a few years ago w/ Charter, all I needed to do was have the interface configure via DHCP. He had some problems with the dhcpcd/pump (I forget which) in RH6.1, but an already overdue upgrade to 6.2 fixed it. I would imagine 7.x should work as well as 6.2. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Um, it's like, uh ... did anyone see the movie `Tron'? -- Homer Simpson Treehouse of Horror VI

Dec. 13, 2001

Re: Configuring Linux laptop for cable modem access???

by Andy Stewart

Hi Gerrald, I don't know the answer directly, as I don't run RedHat on my systems at home. I'm forwarding this to the WLUG mailing list, as somebody there probably knows the answer. WLUG: Any thoughts on how to configure a laptop running RedHat 7.1 for access to the Charter Pipeline cable modem? Is there anything special with Charter Pipeline vs. any other cable modem? Please don't forget to cc: gsmith(a)caldera.com on this one. Thanks, Andy On Wednesday 12 December 2001 02:47 pm, you wrote: > Andy Stewart, > > Can you tell me how I can configure my Red Hat 7.1 laptop, which has a > Ethernet card, for a cable modem-Charter Pipeline? > > Best regards, > > Gerrald Smith > Business Developer Manager > Caldera Business Services > > > Caldera International > 73 Princeton St. > North Chelmsford, MA 01863 > > gsmith(a)caldera.com > www.caldera.com > > Ph. 978-251-1987 x234 > FAX 978-251-1987 -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 12 December 2001 11:55 am, Mark Claypool wrote: > I thought the attached talk announcement might be of interest to some > on this list. Basically, some dude broke into my Linux box. At the > next CS colloq, I'm going to talk about it and about system security > in general. You are welcome to attend! > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Claypool CS Assistant Professor claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu > Worcester Polytechnic Institute http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool HI Mark, If you would be interested in giving this presentation to a WLUG meeting, I think it would be great! Feel free to drop me an e-mail and we can discuss it further if you wish. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Charles R . Anderson

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 03:08:20PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: huber> Heh, damn reply-to munging! Ssssh....listen.....I think I hear something....is that the world's smallest violin playing for Josh? :)

Dec. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Josh Huber

"Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Mark Claypool is not on the list, so if you would like to reply, Cc: the > reply to claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu Heh, damn reply-to munging! -- Josh Huber

Dec. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Charles R . Anderson

Mark Claypool is not on the list, so if you would like to reply, Cc: the reply to claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:03:34PM -0500, Scott Venier wrote: scottven> Mark, would you like to cordinate and do a joint talk?

Dec. 12, 2001

RE: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Scott Venier

I actually just gave a talk on Linux Security Basics at work that I'd be willing to give to WLUG. Mark, would you like to cordinate and do a joint talk? Scott On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > Mark, > > Have you thought about talking to Andy (our founder) about possibly giving > us the same talk at our meeting this Thursday? > > I'd be very interested in hearing your talk, but Fridays are a busy day for > me. Plus you'd have a good captive audience. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Claypool [mailto:claypool@cs.wpi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:55 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] linux craker talk > > > > I thought the attached talk announcement might be of interest to some > on this list. Basically, some dude broke into my Linux box. At the > next CS colloq, I'm going to talk about it and about system security > in general. You are welcome to attend! > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Claypool CS Assistant Professor claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu > Worcester Polytechnic Institute http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 12, 2001

RE: [Wlug] linux craker talk

by Keller, Tim

Mark, Have you thought about talking to Andy (our founder) about possibly giving us the same talk at our meeting this Thursday? I'd be very interested in hearing your talk, but Fridays are a busy day for me. Plus you'd have a good captive audience. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Claypool [mailto:claypool@cs.wpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:55 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] linux craker talk I thought the attached talk announcement might be of interest to some on this list. Basically, some dude broke into my Linux box. At the next CS colloq, I'm going to talk about it and about system security in general. You are welcome to attend! Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Claypool CS Assistant Professor claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnic Institute http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool

Dec. 12, 2001

linux craker talk

by Mark Claypool

I thought the attached talk announcement might be of interest to some on this list. Basically, some dude broke into my Linux box. At the next CS colloq, I'm going to talk about it and about system security in general. You are welcome to attend! Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Claypool CS Assistant Professor claypool(a)cs.wpi.edu Worcester Polytechnic Institute http://www.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool

Dec. 12, 2001

Equipment up for grabs...

by William Smith

WLUG, I have some stuff that is looking for a new home. If you're interested in it, I can bring it to the January WLUG meeting or arrange shipping... :) Here's what I've got: o For whoever is interested: Cabletron MRX-2 10Base-T hub This beast has 12 10Mb ports, but port 6 is bad. Gravis Ultrasound Max sound card This is a 16-bit card. I cannot find the CD for it. VESA Local Bus motherboard Includes a P90 CPU Has 2 VLB slots, 4 16-bit slots, 2 8-bit slots. RAM (I forget if this has 32MB or 64MB) Diamond Viper VLB video card VLB I/O card This should go with the motherboard, since the motherboard dates back to just before the I/O stuff was built-in. o For sale or trade: DSL Modem WESTELL ADSL modem, model # 36R515. Has power cable, Ethernet cable, and instructions. o What I am looking for: one PCMCIA ethernet network interface. 10Mb minimum, but I certainly wouldn't turn down a 10/100... :) The stuff I have is available as-is. The motherboard, video, sound card and I/O card are known-working as of March 2001. The DSL modem is something my mother bought, decided she didn't want, so she passed it to me. I can't get DSL where I live, so I thought maybe someone else could use it. I have no way of knowing if it works. If anyone is interested in this stuff, I could bring it to a WLUG meeting. Best regards, -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Dec. 10, 2001

PPP Dialup and Net1Plus

by Chris Reid

Thanks Guys, I had actually decided that I would try to make something like your script Ed. I just figured I should get me feet a bit wetter before I jumped in like that. I have only had Redhat or Mandrake installed for a total of a month, and I am still trying to learn about file permissions, and command-line stuff in Linux. I actually don't mind command line at all- once I am familiar with what I can do(I learned on a Digital Rainbow back in the very early '90's). I will give this a shot tonight whaen I have some time to play. Thanks Again, Chris On Sunday 09 December 2001 02:40 am, you wrote: Just start kppp (the KDE dialer program), go into the setup screens, click on the 'Authentication' button, change it from PAP to 'Script-based'. Then click on the Scripts tab, fill in the expect-send strings, save it, and enjoy. My send expect strings are: Expect: ogin Send: username Expect: ssword: Send: password Substitute username and password for your own. Ed. > > From: "Ed Jackson" <jackson(a)net1plus.com> > > > > I have been using Net1plus with Linux for 4 or 5 years now. I just use a > > script based logon with KPPP. Works real slick. > > Ed. > > So mail him the script and we can all go to sleep! > > What's KPPP? I'm starting to think I guessed wrong.

Dec. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] PPP Dialup & Net1Plus

by Ed Jackson

On Sunday 09 December 2001 02:40 am, you wrote: Just start kppp (the KDE dialer program), go into the setup screens, click on the 'Authentication' button, change it from PAP to 'Script-based'. Then click on the Scripts tab, fill in the expect-send strings, save it, and enjoy. My send expect strings are: Expect: ogin Send: username Expect: ssword: Send: password Substitute username and password for your own. Ed. > > From: "Ed Jackson" <jackson(a)net1plus.com> > > > > I have been using Net1plus with Linux for 4 or 5 years now. I just use a > > script based logon with KPPP. Works real slick. > > Ed. > > So mail him the script and we can all go to sleep! > > What's KPPP? I'm starting to think I guessed wrong.

Dec. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] PPP Dialup & Net1Plus

by Keith Wright

> From: "Ed Jackson" <jackson(a)net1plus.com> > > I have been using Net1plus with Linux for 4 or 5 years now. I just use a > script based logon with KPPP. Works real slick. > Ed. So mail him the script and we can all go to sleep! What's KPPP? I'm starting to think I guessed wrong. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Dec. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] PPP Dialup & Net1Plus

by Keith Wright

> From: Chris Reid <reidc(a)net1plus.com> > > I have tried to connect for the last month on a dialup account using > KPPP- or whatever other config utility I could find, but ALWAYS > timeout after connect. KPPP? Some sort of KDE magic window thing? My first advice would be to dump it and try connecting with your own hand made scripts. Then you have something to work on. > I have visited many sites that go over KPPP, and I do know what DNS #'s are, > and most of the options are. I always have manually configured my accounts > in Windows whatever. > I dialout, I connect, I see the connect speed, but it seems when PPPD > starting- it times out. I am using PAP, as I should. /usr/sbin/pppd connect '/usr/sbin/chat -V -f /home/kwright/dial-gis' /dev/ttyS1 38400 -detach crtscts modem defaultroute debug user kwright remotename Galaxy & If you have something like this in your scripts, make sure the -V and debug are there. Do you see nothing after the speed? Try sending something (like "\r\n"). They should send you a login prompt. If you don't have it set up to show what is sent and received , the first step is to get that done. > Does anyone here connect through dialup using Net1plus? I live in > Fitchburg. Net1Plus has been NO help whatsoever. All they are > allowed to do is give me DNS numbers, and POP configs- but I already > know that stuff. They say that's all they're _allowed_ to do? I suspect it is all they are barely competent to do. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Dec. 9, 2001

REMINDER: Upcoming meeting

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, which will be held on Thursday, December 13th, at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. At this meeting, I'll bring the stuff that I wanted to do from last meeting, which I unfortunately missed due to illness. (Not bad, I've only missed one meeting in 4.5 years, and it took a probably case of pneumonia to do it!). I have a bunch of freebies from the Annual Linux Showcase to give away. I'd like to plan some activities for calendar year 2002. I'll update you on the budget. We'll talk about the seeming instabilities in the recent 2.4 kernels, and anything else you wish. There is no formal speaker for this meeting (unless somebody sends me e-mail very soon and volunteers). After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza/beer at the Boynton Restaurant. I've just requested the meeting room for 12 dates in 2002. Once I get confirmation, I'll post the 2002 meeting schedule on the website. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 9, 2001

RE: [Wlug] PPP Dialup & Net1Plus

by Ed Jackson

I have been using Net1plus with Linux for 4 or 5 years now. I just use a script based logon with KPPP. Works real slick. Ed. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chris Reid Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:46 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] PPP Dialup & Net1Plus Hello, I have put a few different distro's on a PII 233/64, and can easily see how this can supplant whatever Microsoft OS I have on my main machine. In fact- I would like to install Mandrake or Redhat on my 1.2 gig tbird, as everything I need is there. EXCEPT 1 THING!!! I have tried to connect for the last month on a dialup account using KPPP- or whatever other config utility I could find, but ALWAYS timeout after connect. I have visited many sites that go over KPPP, and I do know what DNS #'s are, and most of the options are. I always have manually configured my accounts in Windows whatever. I dialout, I connect, I see the connect speed, but it seems when PPPD starting- it times out. I am using PAP, as I should. Does anyone here connect through dialup using Net1plus? I live in Fitchburg. Net1Plus has been NO help whatsoever. All they are allowed to do is give me DNS numbers, and POP configs- but I already know that stuff. Thanks, Chris _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 9, 2001

PPP Dialup & Net1Plus

by Chris Reid

Hello, I have put a few different distro's on a PII 233/64, and can easily see how this can supplant whatever Microsoft OS I have on my main machine. In fact- I would like to install Mandrake or Redhat on my 1.2 gig tbird, as everything I need is there. EXCEPT 1 THING!!! I have tried to connect for the last month on a dialup account using KPPP- or whatever other config utility I could find, but ALWAYS timeout after connect. I have visited many sites that go over KPPP, and I do know what DNS #'s are, and most of the options are. I always have manually configured my accounts in Windows whatever. I dialout, I connect, I see the connect speed, but it seems when PPPD starting- it times out. I am using PAP, as I should. Does anyone here connect through dialup using Net1plus? I live in Fitchburg. Net1Plus has been NO help whatsoever. All they are allowed to do is give me DNS numbers, and POP configs- but I already know that stuff. Thanks, Chris

Dec. 9, 2001

help: printing to MS98 server

by Bill Mills-Curran

I thought I had success (well, I had some) setting up printing to my W98 printer. What I find is that I can print a postscript file to the printer just fine -- at least the first page. But, I can't get more than the first page to go. Here's my commands. The first is for a postscript file, and the second uses nenscript so that I can print a text file. cat mail.ps | gs -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=bjc600 -sOutputFile=- - | smbclient //bertha/CANON -c 'print -' nenscript -B -p - < mail.txt | gs -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=bjc600 -sOutputFile=- - | smbclient //bertha/CANON -c 'print -' I think I'm doing something wrong with the gs command, but I don't see what. TIA, Bill

Dec. 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] perl wus

by Mike Peckar

Thanks for your help. What I was trying to do was to parse a command's output, pulling the second field from lines whose first field contains a number and outputing that 2nd field to an external file with one entry on each line. This to build a configuration file that will be read by another program. What I was struggling with, and still am after all your replies, is the output file. I seem to have to do crazy things to avoid extra blank lines in the file: Note also that this is a cross platform application: for some reason, perl 5.6.0 on NT does wierd interpretations of the variables within the reg exprs? Mike

Dec. 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Burning MP3s onto CD

by Theo Van Dinter

On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:07:25AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > My question is this: what format is used for the MP3 CD? Is it just a > standard ISO9660 CD with the MP3 files and playlists(?) layed out with a > particular directory scheme? Or is it something else? It depends on the player. I have a RioVolt 100 which uses a standard ISO9660 disc. When it first reads the CD, it does a find for all the sound files and then lets you navigate the directories to play files. So if I'm feeling lazy, I put all the MP3s in the root of the CD and call it good. If I'm making an archive CD, or if I'm feeling more structured, I'll do the following: / genre artist album MP3s As for playlists, it depends. Most of these players don't use "standard" (as defined by your current MP3 player) playlists, they just handle directories. So you could make a directory with the songs you wanted and go from there. Depending on your player, it may support playlist files which would be very nice. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: My superiority complex is better than yours!

Dec. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Burning MP3s onto CD

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 08:17:16AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Andy, > > The Way I lay my CD's out is > root > Artist > Album > mp3's > > I personally use mkisofs and the loopback mount them as a sanity check. As > for the format, I use ISO9660/Joliet with "allow stuff that breaks ISO" aka > > mkisofs -U -J -o some.iso a_subdirectory_layed_out_like_above/ > > It'll then bitch about this not conforming but everything works fine. Add -r -T and it should stop complaining. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | The one computer-language course I took was Cobol, and basically, I just slept the whole quarter. Then, the night before the final, I read the IBM Cobol manual, and I got the top score in the final. - Larry Wall, in an interview with O'Reilly

Dec. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Burning MP3s onto CD

by Keller, Tim

Andy, The Way I lay my CD's out is root Artist Album mp3's I personally use mkisofs and the loopback mount them as a sanity check. As for the format, I use ISO9660/Joliet with "allow stuff that breaks ISO" aka mkisofs -U -J -o some.iso a_subdirectory_layed_out_like_above/ It'll then bitch about this not conforming but everything works fine. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 1:07 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Burning MP3s onto CD HI gang, OK, so let's say that I get one of those players that plays audio CDs or CDs with a bunch of MP3 files on them. (I don't mean converting the MP3s to audio first). My question is this: what format is used for the MP3 CD? Is it just a standard ISO9660 CD with the MP3 files and playlists(?) layed out with a particular directory scheme? Or is it something else? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Burning MP3s onto CD

by Chuck Homic

On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 01:07:25AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > My question is this: what format is used for the MP3 CD? Is it just a > standard ISO9660 CD with the MP3 files and playlists(?) layed out with a > particular directory scheme? Or is it something else? Ya, dude. The manual that comes with it should specify how to lay out the files and directories to get what you want. I have purchased a cheaper model, which has weird rules about what order the directories play, but I've successfully burned ISO disks in Linux and played them on the thing. I couldn't imagine anything easier. Of course, now that I'm on the forum, here, I've got another question for the folks. Is there any to create the equivalent to hard links on an ISO disk? With my particular player, this would seem to be the only way to create "playlists." (That would be just to make directories with "hard links" that point to songs that are already elsewhere on the disk.) Thanks. -Chuck

Dec. 5, 2001

Burning MP3s onto CD

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, OK, so let's say that I get one of those players that plays audio CDs or CDs with a bunch of MP3 files on them. (I don't mean converting the MP3s to audio first). My question is this: what format is used for the MP3 CD? Is it just a standard ISO9660 CD with the MP3 files and playlists(?) layed out with a particular directory scheme? Or is it something else? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] perl wus

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Dec. 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] perl wus

by Theo Van Dinter

How about this one: cmd | perl -lne 'BEGIN{open(O,">>out")||die "open:$!"} print O $1 if (/^\d* (\S*)/)' The longest part of that is the handling of the output file. :) Just curious, what is this for? -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I don't know if all the people in New England are repressed, but I knew a girl from New Hampshire, now she wasn't repressed, she could do long division with her thighs." - Joe Bob Briggs

Dec. 4, 2001

RE: [Wlug] perl wus

by Skip Gaede

If you want to, STDIN and STDOUT can be used (and are assumed). while (<>) { # keep lines that start with digits print $1 if m/^[0-9]+ ([^ ]+)$/; } --Skip -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Mike Peckar Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:17 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] perl wus o.k., I admit it, I suck dead donkey dicks in hell at this. I know I can do gooder - maybe you can help. The perl below works, I just think its real ugly and I can't stand the thought that the same thing using awk is simply: cmd | awk '{ if ($1 ~ /^[0-9]*$/) {print $2}}' >> $outlist One place I'm lost is with embedding carriage returns, which awk does so nicely. I played with arrays, stripping extra \n's after the loop, then after adding the stupid if statement below to prevent the extra blank line, I just gave up thinking I need a really good flogging. It was at this point I started to regret every brain cell I lost between 1976 and 1986, so I decided to ask you so I could get on with my life... open( IN, "$cmd |"); while (<IN>) { ($f1,$f2) = split(' ', $_); if ( $f1 =~ /^[0-9]*$/ ) { if ( $list ) { $list = "$list\n$f2" } else { $list = $f2 } } } close IN; open ( OUT, ">$oulist"); print OUT "$list"; close OUT; thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 4, 2001

perl wus

by Mike Peckar

o.k., I admit it, I suck dead donkey dicks in hell at this. I know I can do gooder - maybe you can help. The perl below works, I just think its real ugly and I can't stand the thought that the same thing using awk is simply: cmd | awk '{ if ($1 ~ /^[0-9]*$/) {print $2}}' >> $outlist One place I'm lost is with embedding carriage returns, which awk does so nicely. I played with arrays, stripping extra \n's after the loop, then after adding the stupid if statement below to prevent the extra blank line, I just gave up thinking I need a really good flogging. It was at this point I started to regret every brain cell I lost between 1976 and 1986, so I decided to ask you so I could get on with my life... open( IN, "$cmd |"); while (<IN>) { ($f1,$f2) = split(' ', $_); if ( $f1 =~ /^[0-9]*$/ ) { if ( $list ) { $list = "$list\n$f2" } else { $list = $f2 } } } close IN; open ( OUT, ">$oulist"); print OUT "$list"; close OUT; thanks, Mike

Dec. 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] VNC performance

by Andy Stewart

HI Brad et al, Definitely get that wallpaper (background) to be some plain, boring, solid color, or it will adversely effect VNC performance unless you have really good network bandwidth. Background gradients really kill the performance in many cases. Once that's done, make sure the server and viewer are speaking the same number of colors. I believe the server defaults to 8 bit color. If the server is run with 24 bit color (for example) and the viewer is only 8 bit color, VNC has to transpose and that can reduce performance. Also, try using a Java enabled browser as a VNC client. Sometimes, it works better than the native vncviewer, but only for 8 bit color situations. This is heavily dependent on the Java implementation. Finally, check the network and make sure you aren't bandwidth limited. I'vve seen VNC takes 500 kb/sec on my cable modem during "compilcated" screen redraws, but then settle back down during more idle periods. If you are bandwidth limited, you might try www.tightvnc.com. I hope this helps. Let us know your results. Andy On Monday 03 December 2001 02:51 pm, dibb_jim(a)emc.com wrote: > Right click on windows desktop, choose settings->background, then under > wallpaper select (None). That disables windows wallpaper. > > Maybe there's something else. Hope it helps. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Noyes [mailto:maitre@ccs.neu.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:36 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] VNC performance > > > Hi All, > I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC > performance at a > wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, > as well > as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the > client > on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it > seems to > involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access > denied message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out > here? I really > know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth > 8' doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. > > If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. > > Thanks, > --Brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 3, 2001

RE: [Wlug] VNC performance

by Jeremy

FYI: Regedt32 is a slightly uglier RegEdit but includes the ability to change the permissions of certain keys (i.e. driver enum keys etc). Even when logged in administrator (which is probably why you cant change the registry - are you logged in as administrator or similar rights?) certain keys do not have write/delete access. Using regedt32 allows you to change the permission (assume admin rights) of such keys and therefore modify them. I only use regedt32 as a last resort when modify the Windows Registry, otherwise use regedit. --- "Evans, Robert" <Robert.Evans(a)stratus.com> wrote: > Try using a registry editor on Windows: > (Typically in these places on Windows 2000) > C:WINNT egedit.exe > C:WINNTsystem32 egedt32.exe > > Robert N. Evans > Software Engineer > S T R A T U S T E C H N O L O G I E S > 111 Powdermill Road, Maynard, MA 01754-3409 U.S.A. > * Tel. 978-461-7680 / * Fax. 978-461-3610 > robert.evans(a)stratus.com > Amateur Radio Call: N1BE > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Noyes [mailto:maitre@ccs.neu.edu] > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:36 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] VNC performance > > > Hi All, > I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC performance > at a > wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, as > well > as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the > client > on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it > seems to > involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access denied > message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out here? I > really > know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth 8' > doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. > > If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. > > Thanks, > --Brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] VNC performance

by Baris Hasdemir

i have used win as tightvnc server and a linux as a client but only for once. When I connected, the other party told me that her wallpaper has disappeared, and she wanted me to put that back there upon leaving her computer. I also didn't see any wallpapers while I was connected. I thought it may because of tightvnc so didn't touch any setting related with the wallpaper. and when I disconnected from her pc she told that the wallpaper was back. I hadn't meant to do that, I think it is a default setting. (may be in a more recent version of tightvnc server) hope it helps, baris On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:35:39 -0500 Brad Noyes <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> wrote: > Hi All, > I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC performance at a > wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, as well > as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the client > on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it seems to > involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access denied > message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out here? I really > know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth 8' > doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. > > If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. > > Thanks, > --Brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 3, 2001

RE: [Wlug] VNC performance

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Right click on windows desktop, choose settings->background, then under wallpaper select (None). That disables windows wallpaper. Maybe there's something else. Hope it helps. -----Original Message----- From: Brad Noyes [mailto:maitre@ccs.neu.edu] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] VNC performance Hi All, I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC performance at a wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, as well as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the client on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it seems to involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access denied message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out here? I really know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth 8' doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. Thanks, --Brad _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 3, 2001

RE: [Wlug] VNC performance

by Evans, Robert

Try using a registry editor on Windows: (Typically in these places on Windows 2000) C:\WINNT\regedit.exe C:\WINNT\system32\regedt32.exe Robert N. Evans Software Engineer S T R A T U S T E C H N O L O G I E S 111 Powdermill Road, Maynard, MA 01754-3409 U.S.A. * Tel. 978-461-7680 / * Fax. 978-461-3610 robert.evans(a)stratus.com Amateur Radio Call: N1BE -----Original Message----- From: Brad Noyes [mailto:maitre@ccs.neu.edu] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 2:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] VNC performance Hi All, I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC performance at a wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, as well as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the client on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it seems to involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access denied message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out here? I really know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth 8' doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. Thanks, --Brad _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 3, 2001

VNC performance

by Brad Noyes

Hi All, I remember some time ago talking with Andy, and others about VNC performance at a wlug meeting. I remember that setting the depth 8 will help performance, as well as disabling the wallpaper. I am running the server on windows, and the client on a linux machine. VNC's site has info for disabling wallpaper, but it seems to involve editing a registry file. When i try to do so, i get an access denied message, because that file is read only. Can someone help me out here? I really know very little about windows. On the client side, the option '-depth 8' doesn't seem to do very much i get '16 bits per pixel'. If anyone knows of any other methods for speeding up VNC, please post. Thanks, --Brad

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Sands Fish

One more point on the iRiver. It recharges your rechargable batteries in the unit. --- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 09:23:26AM -0500, Keller, > Tim wrote: > Tim.Keller> 7. It has a 40 second cache so the > battery life is pretty long. > > The Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 has an 8 minute cache, > and about 15 hours > of battery life. > > Tim.Keller> 3. Can't recharge batteries in the > device. My old discman does this, why > Tim.Keller> couldn't these guys? > > Not sure if they improved this in the SP250. If > not, I would keep two > sets of batteries, one for the device, and one to > charge. Go for NiMH's > or Li-Ion's instead of NiCad's, too, since they > don't have a memory > effect and have a longer life than NiCad's. The > Rat-Shack has a nice > set of 4 NiMH AA's + 4-battery AA charger that will > do NiCad OR NiMH for > about $20. > > Tim.Keller> 4. Those stupid dancing people and that > spinning CD icon (which looks a lot > Tim.Keller> like the fan icon on the front of a Sun > E1000 fibre array). I would have > Tim.Keller> ditched the people and made the text > display larger so you could put more > Tim.Keller> info on it. (in the same vein I would > have dumped the stupid fan icon and > Tim.Keller> put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:) > > The display is larger on the SP250, and I believe > they got rid of the > stupid dancing people. They did get rid of the LCD > on the remote, > though, which could be a drawback. I don't know how > useful the > remote-LCD was given the challenge of navigating on > the larger LCD on > the main unit itself... > > I tried to find a place to buy the iriver (basically > the same as the > SP250 but with LCD on remote), but the English pages > were broken. They > do apparently make a U.S. version, though, so you > can plug it in without > a converter and the FM radio part actually receives > the U.S. FM > frequency band. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Charles R . Anderson

On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 09:23:26AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> 7. It has a 40 second cache so the battery life is pretty long. The Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 has an 8 minute cache, and about 15 hours of battery life. Tim.Keller> 3. Can't recharge batteries in the device. My old discman does this, why Tim.Keller> couldn't these guys? Not sure if they improved this in the SP250. If not, I would keep two sets of batteries, one for the device, and one to charge. Go for NiMH's or Li-Ion's instead of NiCad's, too, since they don't have a memory effect and have a longer life than NiCad's. The Rat-Shack has a nice set of 4 NiMH AA's + 4-battery AA charger that will do NiCad OR NiMH for about $20. Tim.Keller> 4. Those stupid dancing people and that spinning CD icon (which looks a lot Tim.Keller> like the fan icon on the front of a Sun E1000 fibre array). I would have Tim.Keller> ditched the people and made the text display larger so you could put more Tim.Keller> info on it. (in the same vein I would have dumped the stupid fan icon and Tim.Keller> put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:) The display is larger on the SP250, and I believe they got rid of the stupid dancing people. They did get rid of the LCD on the remote, though, which could be a drawback. I don't know how useful the remote-LCD was given the challenge of navigating on the larger LCD on the main unit itself... I tried to find a place to buy the iriver (basically the same as the SP250 but with LCD on remote), but the English pages were broken. They do apparently make a U.S. version, though, so you can plug it in without a converter and the FM radio part actually receives the U.S. FM frequency band. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 3, 2001

RE: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Keller, Tim

My $.02 I personally own a Sonic blue Rio Volt and really like it. I've never heard of the iriver, but oh well. Things I really like about the Rio Volt 1. 10 hours of music per CD (with 128bit mp3's). 2. doesn't use some weirdo proprietary storage device that they'll stop manufacturing 6 months from now. 3. Can play regular CD's. This weighed heavily into getting a CD based device. I'm not going to carry an mp3 player and a CD player. Invariably, I go some where and someone's got a CD they want to listen to... 4. supports different bit depths on mp3's. My advisor got a cheaper CD based mp3 player and it just assumes that everything's 128bit. His 96bit hotel California mp3 sounds like "Alvin and the chipmunks do the eagles greatest hits" 5. has a recessed switch to disable the controls on the unit. You don't know how many sets of batteries I killed in my Sony Discman because I'd put it in my backpack and the buttons would get pressed and it would play Ride the lightning over and over. 6. The controls are good but a bit esoteric. I've got a CD with the complete works of Pink Floyd on it, organized as "albums as subdirectories" so its got ~156 songs. Until you understand the controls (or read the instructions) finding a single song is a bit mind bending. 7. It has a 40 second cache so the battery life is pretty long. Things I don't like about the Rio Volt: 1. The volume sucks on it. The ear bud headphones are just a complete waste, unless your dumbo. You'll want a pair of headphones with their own gain volume. 2. The battery cover opens easily, not really a big deal, but annoying. 3. Can't recharge batteries in the device. My old discman does this, why couldn't these guys? 4. Those stupid dancing people and that spinning CD icon (which looks a lot like the fan icon on the front of a Sun E1000 fibre array). I would have ditched the people and made the text display larger so you could put more info on it. (in the same vein I would have dumped the stupid fan icon and put "FAN BROKE" but that's just me...:) I'll bring my mp3 player with me to the next wlug meeting so anybody who wants to check it out are welcome. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Sands Fish [mailto:fishsands@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:46 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250: This is the model I was going to (and still might) purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper into this model, I came across it's European counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is, they water down their products for the American market. There are a few things that the iRiver has that the RioVolt doesn't. 1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much this interests people, but it's a nice little feature. Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver. 2.) I've been told by people experienced in both players that there are much more frequent firmware revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good place to mention that this is the feature that made me wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that really interested me is that, on the iRiver site http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm they mention the potential implementation of the OGG Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't seen mentioned for the American version, but who knows. One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power converter for this model. :) If anyone does end up with this player, please post your impressions on the list. I haven't completely made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more. Sincerely, Cheapskate Sands Fish <x>< --- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy > Stewart wrote: > andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking > about asking Santa for a portable > andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to > work with Linux. > > You to, eh? > > andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which > I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB > andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad > small for a single CD, while 64 MB > andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for > loading up around 2 CDs worth of > andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment? > Since I use compact flash for my > andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that > uses this medium should probably get > andystewart> extra consideration, I would think. > > Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are > way too expensive for how > many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a > CD-ROM-based player, since a CD > can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't > have to worry about > Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard > ISO9660 CD-ROM which you > can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of > players, based on hard drives, > are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs > to store 100's of hours of > music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are > the "just right" > price/performance right now. > > The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since > the Genica 1st generation > units. By far the best ones I have found are these > two, since they have > excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need > to navigate the hundreds > of songs on a CD: > > Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 > TDK Mojo > > Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ . > They both got Editor's Choice. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Sands Fish

A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250: This is the model I was going to (and still might) purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper into this model, I came across it's European counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is, they water down their products for the American market. There are a few things that the iRiver has that the RioVolt doesn't. 1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much this interests people, but it's a nice little feature. Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver. 2.) I've been told by people experienced in both players that there are much more frequent firmware revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good place to mention that this is the feature that made me wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that really interested me is that, on the iRiver site http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm they mention the potential implementation of the OGG Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't seen mentioned for the American version, but who knows. One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power converter for this model. :) If anyone does end up with this player, please post your impressions on the list. I haven't completely made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more. Sincerely, Cheapskate Sands Fish <x>< --- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy > Stewart wrote: > andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking > about asking Santa for a portable > andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to > work with Linux. > > You to, eh? > > andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which > I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB > andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad > small for a single CD, while 64 MB > andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for > loading up around 2 CDs worth of > andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment? > Since I use compact flash for my > andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that > uses this medium should probably get > andystewart> extra consideration, I would think. > > Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are > way too expensive for how > many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a > CD-ROM-based player, since a CD > can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't > have to worry about > Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard > ISO9660 CD-ROM which you > can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of > players, based on hard drives, > are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs > to store 100's of hours of > music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are > the "just right" > price/performance right now. > > The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since > the Genica 1st generation > units. By far the best ones I have found are these > two, since they have > excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need > to navigate the hundreds > of songs on a CD: > > Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 > TDK Mojo > > Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ . > They both got Editor's Choice. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Sands Fish

A little more depth on the Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250: This is the model I was going to (and still might) purchase, kuz you can't be a cool dork w/out a portable mp3 player. ;) When I dug a little deeper into this model, I came across it's European counter-part, the iRiver. It is, of course, a little more expensive. Essentially, it's from the same company who OEM's the RioVolt line, but the trick is, they water down their products for the American market. There are a few things that the iRiver has that the RioVolt doesn't. 1.) LCD on the remote control. I don't know how much this interests people, but it's a nice little feature. Also, I believe those stupid dancing people that everyone so widely hated do not appear on the iRiver. 2.) I've been told by people experienced in both players that there are much more frequent firmware revisions for the iRiver. Oh, and this is a good place to mention that this is the feature that made me wanna buy it. As patches/fixes/upgrades are made for the player, you can d/l firmware upgrades, burn them to a cd, and run them in the player. One thing that really interested me is that, on the iRiver site http://www.iriver.com/english/imp250.htm they mention the potential implementation of the OGG Vorbis format, which I'm a big fan of, (no royalties threatened like MP3.) This is something I haven't seen mentioned for the American version, but who knows. One other thing I should mention. You'll need a power converter for this model. :) If anyone does end up with this player, please post your impressions on the list. I haven't completely made up my mind yet whether I want to pay more. Sincerely, Cheapskate Sands Fish <x>< --- "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy > Stewart wrote: > andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking > about asking Santa for a portable > andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to > work with Linux. > > You to, eh? > > andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which > I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB > andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad > small for a single CD, while 64 MB > andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for > loading up around 2 CDs worth of > andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment? > Since I use compact flash for my > andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that > uses this medium should probably get > andystewart> extra consideration, I would think. > > Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are > way too expensive for how > many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a > CD-ROM-based player, since a CD > can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't > have to worry about > Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard > ISO9660 CD-ROM which you > can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of > players, based on hard drives, > are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs > to store 100's of hours of > music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are > the "just right" > price/performance right now. > > The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since > the Genica 1st generation > units. By far the best ones I have found are these > two, since they have > excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need > to navigate the hundreds > of songs on a CD: > > Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 > TDK Mojo > > Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ . > They both got Editor's Choice. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com

Dec. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Charles R . Anderson

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking about asking Santa for a portable andystewart> MP3 player. Of course, it needs to work with Linux. You to, eh? andystewart> Judging from the looks of the CDs which I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB andystewart> of memory looks like it might be a tad small for a single CD, while 64 MB andystewart> looks like it might do the trick for loading up around 2 CDs worth of andystewart> music. Is this a fair assessment? Since I use compact flash for my andystewart> digital camera, any MP3 player that uses this medium should probably get andystewart> extra consideration, I would think. Personally, I think the memory-based MP3 players are way too expensive for how many songs they can hold. I'd rather have a CD-ROM-based player, since a CD can hold about 10 hours of music. Also, you don't have to worry about Linux compatibility, since it will take any standard ISO9660 CD-ROM which you can burn from Linux just fine. The other type of players, based on hard drives, are also too expensive for my taste, and who needs to store 100's of hours of music on a portable device? The CD-MP3 players are the "just right" price/performance right now. The latest CD-MP3 players have come a long way since the Genica 1st generation units. By far the best ones I have found are these two, since they have excellent navigation capabilities, which you'll need to navigate the hundreds of songs on a CD: Sonicblue Rio Volt SP250 TDK Mojo Check out their reviews on http://music.cnet.com/ . They both got Editor's Choice. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] MP3 Player recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 03:00:26PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI gang, > > Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking about asking Santa for a portable > MP3 player. Of course, it needs to work with Linux. > > Judging from the looks of the CDs which I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB > of memory looks like it might be a tad small for a single CD, while 64 MB > looks like it might do the trick for loading up around 2 CDs worth of > music. Is this a fair assessment? Since I use compact flash for my > digital camera, any MP3 player that uses this medium should probably get > extra consideration, I would think. > > Any thoughts or recommendations will be greatly appreciated! Personally, I'd avoid the memory based ones altogether. Unless you really want the small physical size, the cost per song can't even come close to the ones that read ISO9660 cds filled with MP3 files, or the ones with a built in multi-gig hard drive. If you do want a tiny memory based one, though, I'd reccomend also checking out the Digital Wallet - essentially a large hard drive with a builtin simple file manager that connects via USB, SmartMedia, CompactFlash, MMC, StrataFlash, IBM Microdrive, Sony Memory Stick, and Panasonic SD Memory Card. http://www.thinkgeek.com/ has a small, but very high quality, selection, including the Digital Wallet. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | After they make styrofoam, what do they ship it in? -- Stephen Wright

Dec. 2, 2001

MP3 Player recommendations

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, Christmas is coming, and I'm thinking about asking Santa for a portable MP3 player. Of course, it needs to work with Linux. Judging from the looks of the CDs which I've ripped into MP3 files, 32 MB of memory looks like it might be a tad small for a single CD, while 64 MB looks like it might do the trick for loading up around 2 CDs worth of music. Is this a fair assessment? Since I use compact flash for my digital camera, any MP3 player that uses this medium should probably get extra consideration, I would think. Any thoughts or recommendations will be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 2, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Forcing scsi probe on the fly...

by Keller, Tim

This worked perfectly! Thanks, Tim! -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:14 PM To: Worcester Linux User's Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Forcing scsi probe on the fly... On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:50:01PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Does anybody know with Redhat 7.1 (using 2.4.2-2) if theirs a way to force > the scsi chain to rescan its bus (without an unload/reload) of the module? > > so far, I haven't found something like HPUX's ioscan. Unless something's changed, Linux doesn't have the capability to do that yet (the last time I checked, there needs to be some extra functionality added to the kernel SCSI code). Whenever I had to add a device live, there's a thing with /proc/scsi/scsi that you can do (this is from the SCSI Programming HOWTO): Dynamically insert and remove SCSI devices If a newer kernel and the /proc file system is running, a non-busy device can be removed and installed 'on the fly'. To remove a SCSI device: echo "scsi remove-single-device a b c d" > /proc/scsi/scsi and similar, to add a SCSI device, do echo "scsi add-single-device a b c d" > /proc/scsi/scsi where a == hostadapter id (first one being 0) b == SCSI channel on hostadapter (first one being 0) c == ID d == LUN (first one being 0) There's also a script which tries to automate this kind of stuff: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/rescan-scsi-bus.sh I've never tried it, but I've seen it mentioned on a few mailing lists that I monitor. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Does anyone not understand what the hell is going on?" - Prof. Bagchi _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 29, 2001

Re: [Wlug] linuxconf/7.1?

by Keith Wright

> From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > > I put together a RedHat 7.1 machine recently and was surprised to find > that linuxconf was not part of the default installation. It's clearly > improved over older versions of linuxconf, so why isn't it installed? > Anyone know why? If you check the file RELEASE-NOTES in the root of the first CD, you will see o Deprecated Packages -- the following packages are deprecated, and could disappear in a future release: - linuxconf "Deprecated" is a polite way of saying that it sucks big greasy chunks through a tiny straw. You may disagree, in which case you should write a 'man' page for it. I don't like a huge program that runs at boot time to update configuration files without telling me what it is doing and has no documentation except for some happy talk*. If you want it, you can install it, what's the problem with not installing what you don't ask for? * From /usr/share/doc/linuxconf-1.24r2/RPM-README: Congratulations! You are now running the most powerful Linux administrative tool known to mankind! I guess it's so powerful that nobody can write down what it does. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 29, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Forcing scsi probe on the fly...

by Theo Van Dinter

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:50:01PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Does anybody know with Redhat 7.1 (using 2.4.2-2) if theirs a way to force > the scsi chain to rescan its bus (without an unload/reload) of the module? > > so far, I haven't found something like HPUX's ioscan. Unless something's changed, Linux doesn't have the capability to do that yet (the last time I checked, there needs to be some extra functionality added to the kernel SCSI code). Whenever I had to add a device live, there's a thing with /proc/scsi/scsi that you can do (this is from the SCSI Programming HOWTO): Dynamically insert and remove SCSI devices If a newer kernel and the /proc file system is running, a non-busy device can be removed and installed 'on the fly'. To remove a SCSI device: echo "scsi remove-single-device a b c d" > /proc/scsi/scsi and similar, to add a SCSI device, do echo "scsi add-single-device a b c d" > /proc/scsi/scsi where a == hostadapter id (first one being 0) b == SCSI channel on hostadapter (first one being 0) c == ID d == LUN (first one being 0) There's also a script which tries to automate this kind of stuff: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/rescan-scsi-bus.sh I've never tried it, but I've seen it mentioned on a few mailing lists that I monitor. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Does anyone not understand what the hell is going on?" - Prof. Bagchi

Nov. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Forcing scsi probe on the fly...

by Charles R . Anderson

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:50:01PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> Does anybody know with Redhat 7.1 (using 2.4.2-2) if theirs a way to force Tim.Keller> the scsi chain to rescan its bus (without an unload/reload) of the module?

Nov. 28, 2001

Forcing scsi probe on the fly...

by Keller, Tim

Does anybody know with Redhat 7.1 (using 2.4.2-2) if theirs a way to force the scsi chain to rescan its bus (without an unload/reload) of the module? so far, I haven't found something like HPUX's ioscan. Thanks, Tim.

Nov. 28, 2001

linuxconf/7.1?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I put together a RedHat 7.1 machine recently and was surprised to find that linuxconf was not part of the default installation. It's clearly improved over older versions of linuxconf, so why isn't it installed? Anyone know why? Thanks, Bill

Nov. 28, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Mike Frysinger

doing like the Roaring Penguin's FAQ and modifying the MTU value for the packets gives me a semi 'real' connection ... of course i have to do some hacks for ident support, but other than that, just about everything has been flawless w/out 'mysterious packet droppings' well, each to their own ;) -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 03:24 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:10:53PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > vapier> i dont know about the 'performance problems' you speak of > vapier> when using PPPoE + NAT ... im running 2 linux boxes as routers > vapier> on verizon DSL and both get a constant 60kB (which is what > vapier> the cap is for my price package). each box does NAT for > vapier> 4-5 people, and each has hit 40+days of uptime w/out any > vapier> 'performance problems' ... > vapier> -mike > > PPPoE's MTU is 1492 bytes due to the extra PPP header in the Ethernet > frame. Hosts sitting behind a NAT will not know of this reduced MTU and > still send IP packets that fill up the Ethernet frames up to a maximum > size of 1500 bytes. (WinPoET reduces the MTU for the local machine where > it is installed.) When the NAT tries to forward these packets, they will > need to be fragmented at the point where they enter the PPPoE link. This > causes reduced performance, and in some circumstances can cause packets > to be dropped on the floor. Normally, Path MTU discovery should take > care of discovering the minimum MTU on the complete path from the source > to the destination, but many incorrectly configured routers/firewalls on > the Internet drop all ICMP traffic, causing mysterious connectivity loss > to destinations behind these broken firewalls due to the failure of the > Path MTU to work correctly. > > You could work around this problem by changing the MTU on all your boxes > behind the NAT/PPPoE (this involves changing a registry key on Windows), > or by using a hack that "clamps" the TCP MSS (Maximum Segment Size) at > the NAT. rp-pppoe, for example, has a built-in feature that does this > clamping. Older pppoe packages for Linux used a kernel module called > mssclampfw to do the clamping. This clamping only works for TCP, > though. > > If you can live with the limitations and hacks required for PPPoE and > NAT, fine. I prefer a "real" connection to the internet. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Frank Sweetser

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:17:26PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > doing like the Roaring Penguin's FAQ and modifying the > MTU value for the packets gives me a semi 'real' connection ... > of course i have to do some hacks for ident support, but > other than that, just about everything has been flawless w/out > 'mysterious packet droppings' At least, none that you know of (tcp is quite good at dealing with ocasional dropped packets). -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | ..you could spend *all day* customizing the title bar. Believe me. I speak from experience." (By Matt Welsh)

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Charles R . Anderson

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:10:53PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: vapier> i dont know about the 'performance problems' you speak of vapier> when using PPPoE + NAT ... im running 2 linux boxes as routers vapier> on verizon DSL and both get a constant 60kB (which is what vapier> the cap is for my price package). each box does NAT for vapier> 4-5 people, and each has hit 40+days of uptime w/out any vapier> 'performance problems' ... vapier> -mike PPPoE's MTU is 1492 bytes due to the extra PPP header in the Ethernet frame. Hosts sitting behind a NAT will not know of this reduced MTU and still send IP packets that fill up the Ethernet frames up to a maximum size of 1500 bytes. (WinPoET reduces the MTU for the local machine where it is installed.) When the NAT tries to forward these packets, they will need to be fragmented at the point where they enter the PPPoE link. This causes reduced performance, and in some circumstances can cause packets to be dropped on the floor. Normally, Path MTU discovery should take care of discovering the minimum MTU on the complete path from the source to the destination, but many incorrectly configured routers/firewalls on the Internet drop all ICMP traffic, causing mysterious connectivity loss to destinations behind these broken firewalls due to the failure of the Path MTU to work correctly. You could work around this problem by changing the MTU on all your boxes behind the NAT/PPPoE (this involves changing a registry key on Windows), or by using a hack that "clamps" the TCP MSS (Maximum Segment Size) at the NAT. rp-pppoe, for example, has a built-in feature that does this clamping. Older pppoe packages for Linux used a kernel module called mssclampfw to do the clamping. This clamping only works for TCP, though. If you can live with the limitations and hacks required for PPPoE and NAT, fine. I prefer a "real" connection to the internet. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Mike Frysinger

i dont know about the 'performance problems' you speak of when using PPPoE + NAT ... im running 2 linux boxes as routers on verizon DSL and both get a constant 60kB (which is what the cap is for my price package). each box does NAT for 4-5 people, and each has hit 40+days of uptime w/out any 'performance problems' ... -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles R . Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no > Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple > Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. > > Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like > PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance > problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. > > I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL > companies go. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Rodrigo Gomes

Thanks for the help guys!!! I think I'll sign up for speakeasy, is looking good. Once again, tkz! Rod. -----Original Message----- From: "Rodrigo Gomes" <gomes_k(a)dr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! > > http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/… > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/…

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey

I have Charter in Holden, and it's been excellent. I would call them though... it still takes about 10 minutes to get through, but I have only had to call them once with a problem in the past year. The speed & reliability are great, but the phone/service are pretty slow. jeff -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

I agree with Tim. PPPoE is a pain, but if you have a router (Linksys Befsr41) it's essentially transparent except for maybe a few % performance. Still great compared to 56k. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by webmaster

Hello, Charter has been good.. in the last year I've had only one major outage. The 3Com modem was no good, I purchased the modem instead of "renting" one.. they replaced it for free with a new Motorola modem! As others has said.. e-mail customer service is non-existant. On the phone.. I never waited long. Must have been lucky on that! Speed.. has been good, I haven't seen any problems. The one problem I do have is the TOS doesn't allow servers of any kind, if you want that, you need a business account. Charter also blocks port 80 (http) now. Rob rmahlert(a)charter.net webmaster(a)atari-users.net

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Keller, Tim

Hey, when my point of reference was a 56k modem that got a sustained throughput of 5kb a second, crappy DSL will always be better than great modem service. I agree that the PPPoE stuff is crap. As for the NAT stuff, I'm using a netgear RP114 that provides DHCP/NAT/PPPoE plus it does port forwarding of ssh to my linux box and I'm yet to have a problem. Though as always, don't call the tech support, you'd have better luck jabbing a chopstick in your eye. As for Clint's comment, my parents have charter and haven't had a problem except that now everybody has charter in the neighborhood it gets useless from around 7pm to 9pm. So its stable, but the speed fluctuates greatly. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R . Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Clint Moyer

I've had zero problems with Charter for a year now. But you will need to call not email them. The installer is likely to be Linux-illiterate, so let him hook up to a Win* box initially then set up your own config later. I'd also be leery of letting him install a NIC. Make sure you've done that beforehand. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of dibb_jim(a)emc.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:58 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Charles R . Anderson

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:26:15AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no Tim.Keller> down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple Tim.Keller> people in WLUG use them and are happy. Yuck. Verizon uses PPPoE, a broken-by-design protocol (sort of like PPTP, which is also broken by design). You will have performance problems if you try to use NAT with PPPoE due to the reduced MTU. I also highly recommend Speakeasy. They are best-of-breed as far as DSL companies go. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Verizon got a lot of bad press (probably deserved) but for the past 8 months at least my service in Framingham has been very solid. The news servers are so slow as to be almost useless and there's a funny restriction about what domain must be used to send e-mail, but neither of those really affect me. Check out http://www.dslreports.com for tons of info on dsl. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:26:36 +0800 > From: Rodrigo Gomes <gomes_k(a)dr.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's > > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! > > Thanks. > Rod. > -- <snip> Rod, I heard so many horror stories about DSL (going out of business, service battles between the ISP and the phone co.) that I went with my cable company (charter). Charter pretty much ignores email -- they are fairly clueless. However, the connection is usually quite good, and very good uptime. I'm on DHCP, and my IP has only changed once, following the worst downtime I've sen following a storm. The only service I expose is ssh and an occasional proxy server. Even after subscribing, I find that they don't pay attention to email, and the wait on the phones is painful. But, since I was already getting cable TV from them, the digital pipeline service made the most sense. Bill

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:26:36PM +0800, Rodrigo Gomes wrote: > Hey there, > I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a > chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to > contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If > someone knows a good ISP, let me know! http://www.speakeasy.net/ Reasonable price, full speed, *flawless* service, very reasonable TOS which pretty much lets you do anything (run servers, NAT, etc) as long as you don't cause a problem for anyone else, excellent online management system, reduced setup fees if you're willing to plug in the box yourself. I started my DSL order around 9pm on a Saturday night. 5 minutes later I was able to log into their online system, and view the ongoing order log, which includes correspondence beween Speakeasy and Covad. Two weeks later, the self install kit showed up. I plugged it in, and it just worked, zero problems. Besides, how can you go wrong with an ISP clued enough to provide gaming servers at each POP? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Some people are pragmatists, taking things as they come and making the best of the choices available. Some people are idealists, standing for principle and refusing to compromise. And some people just act on any whim that enters their heads. I pragmatically turn my whims into principles! -- Calvin

Nov. 26, 2001

Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Rodrigo Gomes

Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:/…

Nov. 26, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's

by Keller, Tim

I've had really good luck with Verizon DSL (get about 70-80k a second + no down time). In Worcester you might want to check out Speakeasy. A couple people in WLUG use them and are happy. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Rodrigo Gomes [mailto:gomes_k@dr.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:27 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Cable or Good DSL ISP's Hey there, I'm looking for a Cable or a DSL ISP's in Worcester (June Street). I've had a chance to see my brother's AOL PLUS DSL, and it sucks. I also tried to contact Charter to install pipeline, but they never answer the e-mail. If someone knows a good ISP, let me know! Thanks. Rod. -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http:// www.getpennytalk.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] iPAQ 3835 and linux?

by Brad Noyes

On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 03:14:42PM -0500, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi everyone, hello > Well, I just traded in my old iPAQ and got the new 3835 > (games are possible at last, yea!!!). This version comes > with serial connector, along with the usb one. This means > that, finally, I can get the boot loader installed on my > iPAQ and run linux! Couple of questions first, though... Sounds pretty like a pretty cool unit! > > Has anyone run linux on this version yet? The hardware > is essentially the same, but you never know... from what i understand there is still quite a bit of work to be done with this. I read on the familiar mailing list, that the buttons on the ipaq 38xx are a little different along with the touch screen. So at the moment it is not recommended to run linux on it. (unfortunately i deleted the message, otherwise i would have included it here) > > Which version should I install? Is yopy's distro > available? What about zarus'? Should I use embedded QT, or > go with a straight familiar distro using blackbox? i use QT, which is pretty nice. That runs on top of familiar. You will run QT instead of X. (btw i have a 36xx) > > Does embedded linux able to mount filesystems on secure > memory cards? Just need to know in case I want to get one. not sure. > > Where are good places to get software for embedded linux? > Any good games/emulators? What about running pocketPC > software? http://www.handhelds.org -brad

Nov. 25, 2001

iPAQ 3835 and linux?

by Wesley Allen

Hi everyone, Well, I just traded in my old iPAQ and got the new 3835 (games are possible at last, yea!!!). This version comes with serial connector, along with the usb one. This means that, finally, I can get the boot loader installed on my iPAQ and run linux! Couple of questions first, though... Has anyone run linux on this version yet? The hardware is essentially the same, but you never know... Which version should I install? Is yopy's distro available? What about zarus'? Should I use embedded QT, or go with a straight familiar distro using blackbox? Does embedded linux able to mount filesystems on secure memory cards? Just need to know in case I want to get one. Where are good places to get software for embedded linux? Any good games/emulators? What about running pocketPC software? Has anyone screwed with their spouse's head by using the universal remote yet? I'm looking foward to wiping 2002 off my iPAQ, it's got the ugly "kindergarden" interface that helps me despise XP so much. Wes

Nov. 24, 2001

Re: [Wlug] No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by jeff

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 14:18, Keller, Tim wrote: > Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but > when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug SWEET JESUS! is that what really happened? yikes! that's it! i'm taking redhat off ALL my stuff!!! argh! heh...i have debian with the shiny new 2.4.14 kernel and i'm screamin' like a banshee who just got live scampi poured down the front o' his pants! :) peace out to all my wlug homies... -jeff insane radical debian user -- FORTUNE PROVIDES QUESTIONS FOR THE GREAT ANSWERS: #31 A: Chicken Teriyaki. Q: What is the name of the world's oldest kamikaze pilot?

Nov. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by Scott Venier

My guess would be that you upgraded the system and that you built yourself a 2.2.16 kernel on it before the upgrade. I say this because I don't have anything other then 2.4.2-2 in my /lib/modules. Scott On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but > when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 20, 2001

No 2.2.x kernel with redhat 7.1?

by Keller, Tim

Why the hell when you install Redhat 7.1 it installs the 2.4.2 kernel but when you into /lib/modules you see stuff for 2.2.16? Tim.

Nov. 20, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Frank Sweetser

On Sun, Nov 18, 2001 at 11:19:26PM -0500, Pierce C. Barnard wrote: > Hello, I am interested in getting involved in any project that I can put my > Unix skills to use. I want to build up some experience that I can use to ^^^^ > further my career objectives in becoming a network administrator. Does ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > anyone need an extra pair of hands for a project? Thanks. So which do you wanna be? Microsoft marketeese aside, caring for a network is a different set of skills than caring for unix servers (though there is a certain amount of overlap), and in any good sized organization the two are likely to be two seperate sets of people. That said, the best way is probably to set up a network with a few machines for yourself. Set up a few machines with a two or three nics each, and play with some simple routing setups. Set up a printer and file server, sharing the same set of files and printers out to multiple client platforms. Install and configure various packages like apache, perl, etc - from the source tarballs. Make your own network cables. Basically, play around, see how badly you can break stuff, and then learn how to fix it! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 15 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | If you can't hear me, it's because I'm in parentheses. -- Stephen Wright

Nov. 19, 2001

Question

by Pierce C. Barnard

Hello, I am interested in getting involved in any project that I can put my Unix skills to use. I want to build up some experience that I can use to further my career objectives in becoming a network administrator. Does anyone need an extra pair of hands for a project? Thanks.

Nov. 19, 2001

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Charles R . Anderson

On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 02:30:51PM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: kwright> Does anybody have a copy of Redhat 7.1? If you would bring it to kwright> the meeting I will trade it for a cash incentive or pay for your kwright> beer and pizza, at your option. Sure. I'll bring a copy. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this evening's WLUG meeting due > to a rotten cold and a low grade fever which I seem to have picked up > somewhere. I will miss you, but it's too late to get another date, so I will be there anyway. Does anybody have a copy of Redhat 7.1? If you would bring it to the meeting I will trade it for a cash incentive or pay for your beer and pizza, at your option. I was planning to save postage by ordering 7.1 and 7.2 from cheapbytes at the same time. But as soon as 7.2 came out they quit offering 7.1. Hate to have a gap in my collecion. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 14, 2001

WLUG Meeting TONIGHT Wed Nov 14th

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend this evening's WLUG meeting due to a rotten cold and a low grade fever which I seem to have picked up somewhere. I would encourage all of you to meet this evening, and some brave soul who has been in WLUG for a long time can get up and run the meeting in my absence. Have a beer for me at the Boynton! Here is what I had planned to report to the group this evening. I would like somebody to read this to the group in case folks haven't checked their e-mail before the meeting. 1) WLUG financials I have consolidated the accounts so that all of the WLUG money is in an account at the Lowell Five bank in Chelmsford, MA. I just paid the $50 fee to join the Boston User Groups as was voted at a previous WLUG meeting, and I wrote myself a $75 check for refreshments for the calendar year 2001. That leaves us with approx. $575.00 in the bank, which has been raised through your donations as well as install fest proceeds. 2) Annual Linux Showcase This event was not attended nearly as well as in past years, due in part to the fear of flying and by the fact that many computer people have been recently laid off. There were only half as many vendors as in the past, again due to the economy, I suspect. I found the quality of the techinical talks to be very good. I heard talk that there wouldn't be an ALS next year, but that Maddog was pushing for a small number of more local conferences, perhaps one in Boston. Some cool things which I saw at ALS: a) Linux running on a Compaq iPAQ, one running X and an xterm, the other running Qt Embedded with a bunch of PDA like applications. Refer to http://www.handhelds.org for more information. b) Latest versions of Gnome and KDE in action c) A large number of kernel hackers (including Linus) on one room d) A cluster of small embedded computers built by Los Alamos National Labs, all running Linux out of FLASH memory. e) A great beer selection at the Pacific Coast Brewing Company I personally spoke to Jim Gettys and a representative from the Free Software Foundation (I think his name was Brad, but I have his card). I might be able to get one or both of these folks to come to WLUG to give a talk in the future. I guess I'll have to save the freebies until next month. See ya later, and have a great meeting! Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 14, 2001

Fwd: CALL FOR PAPERS: '02 Usenix Annual Technical/Freenix

by Andy Stewart

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS: '02 Usenix Annual Technical/Freenix Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:49:16 -0800 From: Ann Tsai <ann(a)usenix.org> To: andystewart(a)mediaone.net ATTN:Worcester linux Users' Group Dear Andy, Below is a conference announcement and call for papers for the 2002 USENIX Annual Technical Conference/Freenix Program. Please let me know if you have a more appropriate method for submitting this information. Thank you for your assistance! Best Regards, Ann Tsai USENIX Association/SAGE 2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215 Berkeley, CA. 94710 ph (510) 528-8649 fx (510) 548-5738 www.usenix.org The 2002 USENIX Technical Conference program committee needs your help in developing the best technical conference program of 2002! 2002 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 9-14, 2002 Monterey, CA http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix02/ The program committee seeks original and innovative papers about the applications, architecture, implementation, and performance of modern computing systems. Interesting application topics include, but are not limited to: *Cluster computing *File systems and storage systems *Complexity management *Distributed caching and replication *Mobile code *Mobile/Wireless computing *Networking and network services *Multimedia *Reliability and QoS *Security and privacy *Ubiquitous computing *usage studies *Web technologies *Energy/Power Management *Interoperability of heterogeneous systems Submissions to the General Refereed Sessions Track are due on November 19, 2001. We look forward to receiving your submissions! Carla Ellis, Duke University Program Chair ------------------------------------------------------- 2002 Freenix Program Share your expertise with the open source/freely available software community by submitting a paper to the 2002 FREENIX program. The submission deadline has been extended until November 19th, 2001. Submission guidelines and sample abstracts are available on our Web site: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix02/cfp/ FREENIX is a special track within the USENIX Annual Technical Conference that showcases the latest developments and applications in freely-redistributed technology. The FREENIX track covers the full range of software and source code including, but not limited to Apache, Darwin, FreeBSD, GNOME, GNU, KDE, Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Perl, PHP, Python, Samba, Tcl/Tk and more. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: *Cross-platform source portability and binary compatibility *Desktop metaphors *Distributed and parallel systems *Documentation *File system design *Highly-available systems *Graphical user interface tools *Storage Systems *Highly-scalable and clustered systems *Security *System and user management tools *Quality Assurance *Large scale system management *Print Systems *Free Software development/mgmt *Operating system design *Interesting deployments of free software We look forward to receiving your submissions! Chris Demetriou, Broadcom Corp. Freenix Track Program Chair Carla Ellis, Duke University Program Chair -- Ann Tsai Marketing Coordinator Usenix Association 510-528-8649 x31 ann(a)usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 14, 2001

REMINDER: Meeting Wednesday, Nov 14th 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a friendly reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Wednesday, Nov. 14th, at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA, USA. On the agenda for this meeting: 0) Update on the WLUG financial situation 1) My trip report from the recently held Annual Linux Showcase in Oakland, CA, USA 2) My stories about "airport hell" (the new security at airports) and deep sea fishing on the Pacific Ocean (or, how I paddled like crazy so we wouldn't hit the jetty when the engine died). 3) Lots of freebies from ALS - many will be given away at this meeting, including a couple of tee shirts, bags, Borland Kylix (for Linux) and Delphi (for Windows) CDs, SuSE Live Eval CDs, LNX-BBC CDs, and more! 4) Items from the audience - Q/A, etc. 5) "Refreshments" at the Boynton Restaurant after the meeting See ya there! -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] installing Bugzilla

by Chad Pytel

I've installed Bugzilla before, and evaluated the install, and the package itself. I found the install document altogether straightforward and on a more up-to-date distribution than the one I used, (I needed to update several packages for MySQL and some perl modules, on RH6.2) the install should be fairly easy for someone with a medium amount of Linux experience. -Chad On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Rick Gansler wrote: > I missed the last install-fest, and am anxiously awaiting the next one. I'm > considering deploying Bugzilla in my group, and was wondering if anyone has > experience installing it, or even opinions about using it. > > The doc sends mixed messages about the complexity of the install: > > "Bugzilla is not a package where you can just plop it in a directory, > twiddle a few things, and you're off." > > and then later on... > > "Installation of Bugzilla is pretty straightforward." > > The doc also makes it pretty clear that it'll run on Windows, but that > there's additional complexity. It even sounds like it'll be easier to > install on OSX than on Win2k, and that's fine with me. > > thanks in advance for any opinions, > Rick Gansler > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 12, 2001

installing Bugzilla

by Rick Gansler

I missed the last install-fest, and am anxiously awaiting the next one. I'm considering deploying Bugzilla in my group, and was wondering if anyone has experience installing it, or even opinions about using it. The doc sends mixed messages about the complexity of the install: "Bugzilla is not a package where you can just plop it in a directory, twiddle a few things, and you're off." and then later on... "Installation of Bugzilla is pretty straightforward." The doc also makes it pretty clear that it'll run on Windows, but that there's additional complexity. It even sounds like it'll be easier to install on OSX than on Win2k, and that's fine with me. thanks in advance for any opinions, Rick Gansler

Nov. 12, 2001

RE: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by Keller, Tim

Gary, I own the same router as you and I've got 2 linux boxes (one is pure, the other is duel boot). I just have static host files because the router has a sane DHCP server that assigns based on MAC address, so all your machines will keep the same address, regardless of OS. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gary J. Hanley [mailto:ghanley@world.std.com] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:19 AM To: WLUG Subject: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution Greetings, I suspect this is an easy fix but somehow I can't find it.... I just installed a Netgear RP114 DSL router and I'm letting it set my private IPs with DCHP. My problem is that I need to resolve the hostnames between the 3 Linux machines on my private lan and the router isn't doing that. When they are booted in Windows the DCHP table shows the IP and hostname of each PC, but when booted in Linux the router doesn't resolve the hostname to IP...so when I ping a hostname I get nothing. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 12, 2001

DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by doug waud

Hi again I think we may be almost there! :-) > Unfortunately I can't modify any DCHP config > settings in the router To be honest, I had been having another "senior moment" and was picturing and old Linux box as the router! I really must learn how to read. :-) > so I have to find a way to > either get the Linux PCs to report their host names to the router or have > the router find the hostname from the PC. > > When booted in Windows they do that but in Linux they do not. It suddenly occurred to me that this must be the clue. So I went to the man page for dhcpcd (one dhcp client daemon) and found there is both a -H switch, which forces a hostname to that supplied by the server and a -h switch which sends the hostname to the server. I suspect the latter is what windows is already doing. (I mention the former as a reserve in case the -h does not turn out to work.) I also looked at my router (a Linux box) which happens to be using dhclient (another dhcp client daemon) and in its /etc/dhclient.conf there is a place where you can insert send host-name "box1.localdomain" which, it would appear, would do the same thing as above. (I should warn you that I am using SuSE so my /etc/dhclient.conf file may have a lot of stuff in it which is not usually there (SuSE is very good this way; they put it all in and then all you have to do is remove a comment and/or change some text. But the basic behavior of dhclient should be the same.) I'll stop here since I don't know what dhcp client you are using, but I think we are actually knocking on the door! > Of course I can always go back to a static IP and I might just ultimately do > that, but I'd like to know if there is a way to make this work. That is what has got me hooked! doug

Nov. 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Skip Gaede

On Sunday 11 November 2001 11:53 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > sgaede> I don't understand why the output says /dev/*raw*/raw1 is bound > sgaede> when I said /dev/raw1? > > buggy error message. Open /dev/raw1 in your case. Also, when > doing IO to a raw device, the buffer you pass in needs to be > aligned on an 512 byte boundary. Most likely this is your problem. > If you would like I can send you some sample code to align your > buffs. > > - -Jeff Folks, It works, and in case someone else wants to try it out ... NOTE: this is to an IOMEGA ATAPI ZIP 100 drive, not a "real" disk! --Skip /* * a simple program showing how to do raw character-based IO to a device, * bypassing the kernel's queueing algorithm. The data is not copied to * kernel space. Instead, the user pages are mapped instead. root:/home/skip# gcc -o rwtest rwtest.c root:/home/skip# time ./rwtest (/dev/hdc1, O_SYNC) real 0m25.084s user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s root:/home/skip# gcc -o rwtest rwtest.c root:/home/skip# time ./rwtest (/dev/raw1) real 0m20.558s // 20% performance boost user 0m0.000s sys 0m0.050s root:/home/skip# root:/home/skip# gcc -o rwtest rwtest.c root:/home/skip# time ./rwtest (/dev/hdc1, no O_SYNC) real 0m0.112s // this really helps measure performance, no! user 0m0.010s sys 0m0.000s root:/home/skip# Thanks to Jeff Moyer <moyer(a)missioncriticallinux.com> for pointing out the need to have the buffer page alligned. */ #include <stdio.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <unistd.h> #include <sys/stat.h> #include <fcntl.h> #include <time.h> int main (void) { int fd1,fd2; static unsigned char block[8192]; void *bp = (void *)((long) &block & 0xfffff000); // allign on page boundary int reads=0, writes=0; int k; time_t ticks; fd1 = open("/dev/raw1",O_CREAT|O_RDWR); if (fd1 < 0) { printf("Can't open /dev/raw1\n"); perror("rwtest: "); return 1; } for(k=0;k<1000;k++) { int count; if (k) { lseek( fd1, 0, SEEK_SET); } if (k % 2) { /* write */ count = write( fd1, bp, 1024); } else { /* read */ count = read( fd1, bp, 1024); } if (count != 1024) { printf("k = %d, Count = %d\n", k, count); return 2; } } close(fd1); return 0; }

Nov. 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Jeff Moyer

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto; Skip Gaede <sgaede(a)mediaone.net> adds: sgaede> On Friday 09 November 2001 10:31 pm, you wrote: >> Can you do a >> >> bash$raw -qa >> >> as root and post the output. root> /usr/src/linux# raw /dev/raw1 /dev/hdc1 sgaede> /dev/raw/raw1: bound to major 22, minor 1 ok. root> /usr/src/linux# raw -qa sgaede> /dev/raw/raw1: bound to major 22, minor 1 sgaede> I don't understand why the output says /dev/*raw*/raw1 is bound sgaede> when I said /dev/raw1? buggy error message. Open /dev/raw1 in your case. Also, when doing IO to a raw device, the buffer you pass in needs to be aligned on an 512 byte boundary. Most likely this is your problem. If you would like I can send you some sample code to align your buffs. - -Jeff -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard <http://www.gnupg.org/> iEYEARECAAYFAjvurPgACgkQH/inyh944bRjywCggJWGfycPznp7f8iLgdqBk5E1 AHoAn2ZaNqbhRs5ouatx08qoPVkpTZVN =/FIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by Gary J. Hanley

Hi Doug, And thanks for your input. Unfortunately I can't modify any DCHP config settings in the router (that I know of anyway), so I have to find a way to either get the Linux PCs to report their host names to the router or have the router find the hostname from the PC. When booted in Windows they do that but in Linux they do not. Of course I can always go back to a static IP and I might just ultimately do that, but I'd like to know if there is a way to make this work. Thanks again! -- Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug waud" <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution > Hi again (with a red face!) > > > Sure, but the IPs are dynamic so the hosts file is out, right? > > Missed that (another "senior moment")! :-( > Now I remember one reason I have been using static IP addresses :-) > > One way to cheat a bit would be to assign addresses but tie > them to the MAC address of the ethernet card of each box, i.e. add > something like > > host box1 { > hardware ethernet 00:A0:CC:E4:86:CD; > fixed-address 192.168.1.222; > } > > to /etc/dhcpd.conf > > Then you could use the /etc/hosts route. Not an elegant solution > but, what the hell, this is a rear-guard action :-) > > Unfortunately I have no dhcpd server running so I cannot test the > following, but include it as a potential more elegant solution > [and also as an attempt at face-saving :-) ] > > I believe there should be a file /etc/dhcpd.leases with sections like > > lease 192.168.1.25 { > starts 2 2001/07/31 15:23:47; > ends 3 2001/08/01 03:23:47; > hardware ethernet 00:a0:cc:e7:6a:b9; > uid 00:A0:CC:E4:86:CD; > client-hostname "box3"; > } > > If so with some cat|awk|grep|sed piping you should be able > automatically to extract the dotted quad which goes with each > host and give the former to ping to chew on. > > As I say, I can't test this. However, if you are masochistic > enough to want to continue this thread, feel free to send me > a sample copy of that /etc/dhcpd.leases file and I'll see > if I can get a short shell script you could try instead of ping. > > On the more positive side, at least you now know the dangers > of posting a query :-) > > doug > -- > Douglas R Waud, Professor Emeritus -- Pharmacology > University of Massachusetts Medical School > Mailing address: 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 11, 2001

irda help

by Wesley T Allen

Hi gang, I've finally gotten the irDa stack working in my dell laptop (why, oh why is it disabled by default in the BIOS?). Here's my problem; I'm having trouble having the ppp connection being authenticated when a connection is made. My iPaq connects, has the host name of my laptop ok; but stalls there. I've followed the steps on the ir-howto, and it's what got me to this point, but there's no troubleshooting help for this particular problem. Here's the command I run to start the attachement... irattach /dev/ttyS2 -s 1 At this point my iPaq tries to authenticate, and then stalls. I would REALLY like to be able to transfer data between my iPaq and my laptop; and since I haven't heard of anyone being able to connect an iPaq to Linux via a USB cable, this looks like my best shot (besides, I really want to learn ir so I can control my TV from my laptop). Anyone got some ideas, if you help me solve it I'll try and submit something to the HOWTO so others can work around it. Wes

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by doug waud

Hi again (with a red face!) > Sure, but the IPs are dynamic so the hosts file is out, right? Missed that (another "senior moment")! :-( Now I remember one reason I have been using static IP addresses :-) One way to cheat a bit would be to assign addresses but tie them to the MAC address of the ethernet card of each box, i.e. add something like host box1 { hardware ethernet 00:A0:CC:E4:86:CD; fixed-address 192.168.1.222; } to /etc/dhcpd.conf Then you could use the /etc/hosts route. Not an elegant solution but, what the hell, this is a rear-guard action :-) Unfortunately I have no dhcpd server running so I cannot test the following, but include it as a potential more elegant solution [and also as an attempt at face-saving :-) ] I believe there should be a file /etc/dhcpd.leases with sections like lease 192.168.1.25 { starts 2 2001/07/31 15:23:47; ends 3 2001/08/01 03:23:47; hardware ethernet 00:a0:cc:e7:6a:b9; uid 00:A0:CC:E4:86:CD; client-hostname "box3"; } If so with some cat|awk|grep|sed piping you should be able automatically to extract the dotted quad which goes with each host and give the former to ping to chew on. As I say, I can't test this. However, if you are masochistic enough to want to continue this thread, feel free to send me a sample copy of that /etc/dhcpd.leases file and I'll see if I can get a short shell script you could try instead of ping. On the more positive side, at least you now know the dangers of posting a query :-) doug -- Douglas R Waud, Professor Emeritus -- Pharmacology University of Massachusetts Medical School Mailing address: 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by Gary J. Hanley

Sure, but the IPs are dynamic so the hosts file is out, right? -- Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug waud" <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution > Hi > > I just installed a Netgear RP114 DSL router and I'm letting it set my > > private IPs with DCHP. My problem is that I need to resolve the hostnames > > between the 3 Linux machines on my private lan and the router isn't doing > > that. > > > > When they are booted in Windows the DCHP table shows the IP and hostname of > > each PC, but when booted in Linux the router doesn't resolve the hostname to > > IP...so when I ping a hostname I get nothing. > > The easiest way to do this is simply to add those three hosts > to your /etc/hosts file (this is simplest since you have only > three boxes to deal with) > > Just add lines like > 192.168.1.5 box1.localdomain box1 > 192.168.1.32 box2.localdomain box2 > to /etc/hosts > > doug > > -- > Douglas R Waud, Professor Emeritus -- Pharmacology > University of Massachusetts Medical School > Mailing address: 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by doug waud

Hi > I just installed a Netgear RP114 DSL router and I'm letting it set my > private IPs with DCHP. My problem is that I need to resolve the hostnames > between the 3 Linux machines on my private lan and the router isn't doing > that. > > When they are booted in Windows the DCHP table shows the IP and hostname of > each PC, but when booted in Linux the router doesn't resolve the hostname to > IP...so when I ping a hostname I get nothing. The easiest way to do this is simply to add those three hosts to your /etc/hosts file (this is simplest since you have only three boxes to deal with) Just add lines like 192.168.1.5 box1.localdomain box1 192.168.1.32 box2.localdomain box2 to /etc/hosts doug -- Douglas R Waud, Professor Emeritus -- Pharmacology University of Massachusetts Medical School Mailing address: 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006

Nov. 10, 2001

DCHP Private IP Hostname Resolution

by Gary J. Hanley

Greetings, I suspect this is an easy fix but somehow I can't find it.... I just installed a Netgear RP114 DSL router and I'm letting it set my private IPs with DCHP. My problem is that I need to resolve the hostnames between the 3 Linux machines on my private lan and the router isn't doing that. When they are booted in Windows the DCHP table shows the IP and hostname of each PC, but when booted in Linux the router doesn't resolve the hostname to IP...so when I ping a hostname I get nothing. Any ideas? Thanks! -- Gary

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Skip Gaede

On Friday 09 November 2001 10:31 pm, you wrote: > Can you do a > > bash$raw -qa > > as root and post the output. root:/usr/src/linux# raw /dev/raw1 /dev/hdc1 /dev/raw/raw1: bound to major 22, minor 1 root:/usr/src/linux# raw -qa /dev/raw/raw1: bound to major 22, minor 1 I don't understand why the output says /dev/*raw*/raw1 is bound when I said /dev/raw1? NOTE: root:/usr/src/linux# ls -R /dev/raw* /dev/raw1 /dev/raw2 /dev/raw3 /dev/raw4 /dev/raw5 /dev/rawctl (There's nothing there that looks like /dev/raw/raw1!) > > I assume that you used the "raw" command to bind the > block device for raw I/O such as > > bash$raw /dev/raw/raw1 /dev/hdc1 > Is it necessary to use the devfs for this to work? > > On another note you may also want to check the permissions > on the device file(s). This would cause the open to fail! I'm doing this as root. Permissions shouldn't be an issue, should they? > > Skip Gaede wrote: > > On Friday 09 November 2001 04:05 pm, Brad Noyes wrote: > > > Just a quick suggestion; open() sets perror(). try calling perror after > > > your open() call, it might give you (and us) some insite to why you > > > can't open the device. > > > > Sorry about that! > > > > I get "No such file or device", which I also get if I do "ls > > /dev/raw/raw1" > > > > I have in /dev/{raw1,raw2...} > > > > If I change the code to open /dev/raw1, the open succeeds but the reads > > and writes then fail. > > > > Should I be able to see this mythical device in the /proc filesystem > > somewhere, cause I can't seem to find it... > > > > Thanks, Skip > > > > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500, Skip Gaede wrote: > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I'd like to be able to queue read/write request to my Zip drive and > > > > bypass the buffering that goes on in the kernel. From what I've read, > > > > you can do this by binding the raw device (/dev/raw) to /dev/hdc1 for > > > > example. > > > > > > > > When I do that, I get a message that /dev/raw/raw1 has ben bound to > > > > char major 22 1. When I try > > > > > > > > open("/dev/raw/raw1",O_RDWR|O_CREAT,S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); > > > > > > > > it fails. Can someone tell me how to do this please? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Skip > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Tom Guilderson

Can you do a bash$raw -qa as root and post the output. I assume that you used the "raw" command to bind the block device for raw I/O such as bash$raw /dev/raw/raw1 /dev/hdc1 On another note you may also want to check the permissions on the device file(s). This would cause the open to fail! Skip Gaede wrote: > > On Friday 09 November 2001 04:05 pm, Brad Noyes wrote: > > Just a quick suggestion; open() sets perror(). try calling perror after > > your open() call, it might give you (and us) some insite to why you can't > > open the device. > > > Sorry about that! > > I get "No such file or device", which I also get if I do "ls /dev/raw/raw1" > > I have in /dev/{raw1,raw2...} > > If I change the code to open /dev/raw1, the open succeeds but the reads and > writes then fail. > > Should I be able to see this mythical device in the /proc filesystem > somewhere, cause I can't seem to find it... > > Thanks, Skip > > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500, Skip Gaede wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > I'd like to be able to queue read/write request to my Zip drive and > > > bypass the buffering that goes on in the kernel. From what I've read, you > > > can do this by binding the raw device (/dev/raw) to /dev/hdc1 for > > > example. > > > > > > When I do that, I get a message that /dev/raw/raw1 has ben bound to char > > > major 22 1. When I try > > > > > > open("/dev/raw/raw1",O_RDWR|O_CREAT,S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); > > > > > > it fails. Can someone tell me how to do this please? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Skip > > >

Nov. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Skip Gaede

On Friday 09 November 2001 04:05 pm, Brad Noyes wrote: > Just a quick suggestion; open() sets perror(). try calling perror after > your open() call, it might give you (and us) some insite to why you can't > open the device. > Sorry about that! I get "No such file or device", which I also get if I do "ls /dev/raw/raw1" I have in /dev/{raw1,raw2...} If I change the code to open /dev/raw1, the open succeeds but the reads and writes then fail. Should I be able to see this mythical device in the /proc filesystem somewhere, cause I can't seem to find it... Thanks, Skip > On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500, Skip Gaede wrote: > > Folks, > > > > I'd like to be able to queue read/write request to my Zip drive and > > bypass the buffering that goes on in the kernel. From what I've read, you > > can do this by binding the raw device (/dev/raw) to /dev/hdc1 for > > example. > > > > When I do that, I get a message that /dev/raw/raw1 has ben bound to char > > major 22 1. When I try > > > > open("/dev/raw/raw1",O_RDWR|O_CREAT,S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); > > > > it fails. Can someone tell me how to do this please? > > > > Thanks, > > Skip > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Raw IO Howto

by Brad Noyes

Just a quick suggestion; open() sets perror(). try calling perror after your open() call, it might give you (and us) some insite to why you can't open the device. On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:08:50PM -0500, Skip Gaede wrote: > Folks, > > I'd like to be able to queue read/write request to my Zip drive and bypass > the buffering that goes on in the kernel. From what I've read, you can do > this by binding the raw device (/dev/raw) to /dev/hdc1 for example. > > When I do that, I get a message that /dev/raw/raw1 has ben bound to char > major 22 1. When I try > > open("/dev/raw/raw1",O_RDWR|O_CREAT,S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); > > it fails. Can someone tell me how to do this please? > > Thanks, > Skip > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 9, 2001

Raw IO Howto

by Skip Gaede

Folks, I'd like to be able to queue read/write request to my Zip drive and bypass the buffering that goes on in the kernel. From what I've read, you can do this by binding the raw device (/dev/raw) to /dev/hdc1 for example. When I do that, I get a message that /dev/raw/raw1 has ben bound to char major 22 1. When I try open("/dev/raw/raw1",O_RDWR|O_CREAT,S_IREAD|S_IWRITE); it fails. Can someone tell me how to do this please? Thanks, Skip

Nov. 9, 2001

Star Wars: ASCII Art-oo

by jeff

http://www.joereiss.net/starwars/ascii/ enjoy... -jeff -- Q: What do you get when you cross a mobster with an international standard? A: You get someone who makes you an offer that you can't understand!

Nov. 9, 2001

you are invited

by jeff

ok...so it's like 2 am and i'm having a typical bout of keyboard induced insomnia... i would like to invite all the members of wlug to a little meeting that mwblug will be having tonight (wednesday) at the tin alley grill which is a little pub located right on route 9 in framingham. it's open-ended stuff and it's mostly to get new and old peeps acquainted and talk about the usual...over a few pops and lotsa larfs... please check out site www.linuxbusca.com for more details and we hope to see maybe one or twenty three of you there... :) peace and happy hacking... -jeff p.s. meeting will be 'round 7 pm... look for a scary bald guy with tattoos...that's me... :)

Nov. 7, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Keith Wright

> From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > > On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:34:37AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > > DNS has nothing to do with Netscape. Start by trying to ping. > > ??? Netscape has to use something to resolve hostnames... Of course. What I meant was that dorking around with the Netscape menus is not the way to fix it. Netscape also needs a graphic display, but if someone asks: ``I am trying to get Netscape to work, but I am stuck in text mode'', I will say graphics mode has nothing to do with Netscape, you must fix the X window system. > A few notes: <cut> Good points. Pierce, let us know when it is fixed, or what new problem comes up. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 7, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Peter Nikolla

I would like to thank everyone for there input. Peter N. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 3:06 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Unique ID On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 02:52:12PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > <opinion> > Also, there are valid reasons for licensing and selling/leasing some > products. [snip] > Although I believe in the open source > model, I don't think it's all-encompassing. Some products just need > income in order to live. > </opinion> Absolutely, open-source software is great but there is plenty of room for commercial stuff out there. Licenses are one thing, locking software to a particular machine is another issue entirely. I have no problem with people charging me money for products that are worth it (heck, I *buy* my RedHat CDs whenever possible), but I really don't like the one license/one machine model. There was some talk a while ago about making open-source licensing code, ala flexlm. Essentially there's a daemon somewhere that says "there are X licenses available", and the application can be installed in a billion different places. However, the licensing code will only allow the application to run in X places simultaneously. It's the "book licensing method" -- you can give the book to anyone you want, but it can only be used by one person at a time. It would also be possible to say "unlimited licenses", and then use the licensing system as an audit system to find out how many users are actually using the application, etc. I think the end of the discussion was that open source and this licensing type of system are contrary to each other. Personally, I think it'd be a fun thing to work on if I had the time. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: There are two types of Linux developers - those who can spell, and those who can't. There is a constant pitched battle between the two. (From one of the post-1.1.54 kernel update messages posted to c.o.l.a) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:05:34 -0500 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Unique ID > <snip> > There was some talk a while ago about making open-source licensing code, ala > flexlm. <snip> I've worked with flexlm & actually had to port the source. It turns out that the license server needs to be node-locked. I think that all licensing models (except maybe the MicroSoft "everyone contacts the MS big-brother server" model) require node-locking at some level. Flexlm locks the server to a node, which doles out licenses as necessary. Bill

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 02:52:12PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > <opinion> > Also, there are valid reasons for licensing and selling/leasing some > products. [snip] > Although I believe in the open source > model, I don't think it's all-encompassing. Some products just need > income in order to live. > </opinion> Absolutely, open-source software is great but there is plenty of room for commercial stuff out there. Licenses are one thing, locking software to a particular machine is another issue entirely. I have no problem with people charging me money for products that are worth it (heck, I *buy* my RedHat CDs whenever possible), but I really don't like the one license/one machine model. There was some talk a while ago about making open-source licensing code, ala flexlm. Essentially there's a daemon somewhere that says "there are X licenses available", and the application can be installed in a billion different places. However, the licensing code will only allow the application to run in X places simultaneously. It's the "book licensing method" -- you can give the book to anyone you want, but it can only be used by one person at a time. It would also be possible to say "unlimited licenses", and then use the licensing system as an audit system to find out how many users are actually using the application, etc. I think the end of the discussion was that open source and this licensing type of system are contrary to each other. Personally, I think it'd be a fun thing to work on if I had the time. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: There are two types of Linux developers - those who can spell, and those who can't. There is a constant pitched battle between the two. (From one of the post-1.1.54 kernel update messages posted to c.o.l.a)

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 09:42:20 -0500 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Unique ID > > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:00:11PM -0500, Peter Nikolla wrote: > > I am tiring to right a locking mechanism for my program. I wanted to find > > something unique on a Linux/Unix system that I could read to lock my code to > > that machine. Does anyone know of a call I can make to get an unique ID > > like a disk ID, or system ID? > > I'll agree with Keith on this one, it's fairly impossible to do if you're > doing software-only, and probably isn't a good idea anyway. All you'll > end up doing is ticking people off as they change system information > around on you to bypass the "copy protection". Even semi-devious > tricks like locking on root filesystem UUID (which I think would be > cool to play with once or twice but not actually use for real code) > can be easily fooled by something like tune2fs, if the underlying filesystem > has UUIDs at all (ext[23] and XFS do, but does JFS, reiser, etc?) > There are valid reasons besides software license locking to want to know if you are on a specific machine. Sometimes utilities just need to know, and, considering that a machine may be aliased, it can sometimes be tricky to get good info. <opinion> Also, there are valid reasons for licensing and selling/leasing some products. I used to work for a company which sold a very high-value, small customer base mechanical engineering product. This product would never exist as an open source product because it took too much work to make the product. Although I believe in the open source model, I don't think it's all-encompassing. Some products just need income in order to live. </opinion> Bill

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:00:11PM -0500, Peter Nikolla wrote: > I am tiring to right a locking mechanism for my program. I wanted to find > something unique on a Linux/Unix system that I could read to lock my code to > that machine. Does anyone know of a call I can make to get an unique ID > like a disk ID, or system ID? I'll agree with Keith on this one, it's fairly impossible to do if you're doing software-only, and probably isn't a good idea anyway. All you'll end up doing is ticking people off as they change system information around on you to bypass the "copy protection". Even semi-devious tricks like locking on root filesystem UUID (which I think would be cool to play with once or twice but not actually use for real code) can be easily fooled by something like tune2fs, if the underlying filesystem has UUIDs at all (ext[23] and XFS do, but does JFS, reiser, etc?) Typically, software tries to lock on hostid, but that's manually changable on every platform I can think of, and since PCs don't have the extra chips for hostid, it's generated in software for Linux/BSD/etc for extra-easy changing. The hostid on some platforms (SPARCs specifically here) are some algorithmic version of the main ethernet controller's MAC address. But that's changable as well via ifconfig. Why are you trying to do this for anyway? Unless your software is so critical that its functions can't be done elsewhere, I think you'll find that most people will see the "lock" business as a reason to not buy the software. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Flourescent lights are generating negative ions." - Today's BOFH Excuse

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:34:37AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > DNS has nothing to do with Netscape. Start by trying to ping. ??? Netscape has to use something to resolve hostnames... > network program) works as if by magic. You need to put your > nameserver IP address into /etc/resolve.conf thus: > search free-comp-shop.com > nameserver 208.218.130.4 > nameserver 208.218.130.5 > your names and numbers will vary. Also try ``nslookup'', and > post error messages. A few notes: 1) /etc/resolv.conf is the filename. Put your name servers in there as above "nameserver <IP>", multiple name servers on multiple lines. You can add the "search <domain>" and/or "domain <domain>" bits if you want, but it'll only help you if you don't use FQDNs (fully qualified domain names). 2) Check /etc/nsswitch.conf, and find the line starting with "hosts:". nsswitch.conf (Name Service Switch) controls how the C library does resolving of various things (passwd, group, services, hosts, etc.) Make sure it looks something like "hosts: files dns", unless you're doing NIS/NIS+/etc on your network. 3) Tools like "nslookup", "host", and "dig" will help you figure out if DNS can resolve the names that you're searching for, but they won't tell you if the system uses DNS (see #2). Tools like "ping" will resolve via the C library, so you'll know if the host can be looked up that way. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "What do you do then? I touch that button and pray really really fast." - Lennier on Babylon 5

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Keith Wright

> From: "Pierce C. Barnard" <pbarnard(a)ultranet.com> > > Hello, I am trying to get my copy of Netscape to work. when I go to access > any website, it gives message that it can not reach a specific server. I > have the dns servers for my ISP but how do I configure Netscape to use > them? Thanks. DNS has nothing to do with Netscape. Start by trying to ping. When ping works it's almost certain that Netscape (and every other network program) works as if by magic. You need to put your nameserver IP address into /etc/resolve.conf thus: search free-comp-shop.com nameserver 208.218.130.4 nameserver 208.218.130.5 your names and numbers will vary. Also try ``nslookup'', and post error messages. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unique ID

by Keith Wright

> From: "Peter Nikolla" <petern(a)hvnnet.com> > > I am tiring to right It only took me thirty seconds to figure that you are trying to write. > a locking mechanism for my program. I wanted to find > something unique on a Linux/Unix system that I could read to lock my code to > that machine. Does anyone know of a call I can make to get an unique ID > like a disk ID, or system ID? Depends on why you want it. If you just need a unique ID, the ``hostname'' command will give you the name of your machine, ``uname -a'' will give you that and more. If you are trying to prevent anybody from copying: (a) that's not the Linux way and I'm not sure I would want to help you if I could. (b) it's impossible anyway, since anybody can patch the kernel to find out what your program is looking for and give it a fake one. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Nov. 6, 2001

Question

by Pierce C. Barnard

Hello, I am trying to get my copy of Netscape to work. when I go to access any website, it gives message that it can not reach a specific server. I have the dns servers for my ISP but how do I configure Netscape to use them? Thanks.

Nov. 6, 2001

Unique ID

by Peter Nikolla

Guys, I am tiring to right a locking mechanism for my program. I wanted to find something unique on a Linux/Unix system that I could read to lock my code to that machine. Does anyone know of a call I can make to get an unique ID like a disk ID, or system ID? thanx Peter N.

Nov. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] SSH and tunneling

by Josh Huber

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> writes: > I would like to be able to setup some kind of tunnel so that I can > use SSH to log into my machine at home and forward the X11 display. > > Currently, I can successfully SSH into my firewall, and from there > either telnet or SSH into the machine of interest on my home > network. This works OK for text but not for X. > > So, let's say for sake of argument that I am on a computer at the > Linux Showcase in California. How can I set this up so that I can > tunnel through my home firewall to the machine of interest on my > home network and have the X display from the home machine forward to > the machine at the conference? I think its just a matter of syntax > on the SSH command line, but I can't seem to get it right. ssh does X forwarding. For example: ssh -X <hostname> <command> will auto-forward the X connections over the secure connection. Now, if you want to automate it with your firewall, you could do like Chuck suggested, and have iptables forward a connection on an alternate port to an internal machine's port 22. This might be the best way, so you don't have to ssh to the firewall, then ssh to your internal host. but, if you don't mind multiple ssh connections, this works: ssh -C -t -A -X <host1> ssh -t -A -X host2 <command> -C == compression -t == allocate tty (otherwise the second ssh complains there is no terminal. -A == agent forwarding, not sure if you use the agent (it rocks!) -X == X forwarding I do this kind of thing, and it works well. keep in mind, that you may need to enable X forwarding on the server side in /etc/ssh/sshd_config good luck, -- Josh Huber

Nov. 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] An excellent read for the day

by Skip Gaede

On Tuesday 30 October 2001 08:34 am, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey, its a great read... > > And for the record, I'm using the Arcangeli VM and I like it better than > the "Rik" VM... > > I hope Alan and Linus don't end up forking the kernel, I think it would be > bad for linux. > According to a recent post by Alan Cox, he agrees that the Arcangeli VM is the way to go. Someone replied "So, when are you going to start using the aa VM in your kernels? --Skip

Nov. 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] SSH and tunneling

by Charles R . Anderson

On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 11:17:10PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> Currently, I can successfully SSH into my firewall, and from there either andystewart> telnet or SSH into the machine of interest on my home network. This works andystewart> OK for text but not for X. You could set up the firewall to do port forwarding to your machine of interest. Then you would just ssh to the firewall on some unused port number (say 33) and the firewall would forward your request to your machine of interest, port 22. I haven't actually done this on Linux (only BSD), but I believe iptables will do it. For ipchains, I've read that you can do it with the ipmasqadm and/por portfw programs, but they don't seem to come with Red Hat...

Nov. 2, 2001

SSH and tunneling

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I would like to be able to setup some kind of tunnel so that I can use SSH to log into my machine at home and forward the X11 display. Currently, I can successfully SSH into my firewall, and from there either telnet or SSH into the machine of interest on my home network. This works OK for text but not for X. So, let's say for sake of argument that I am on a computer at the Linux Showcase in California. How can I set this up so that I can tunnel through my home firewall to the machine of interest on my home network and have the X display from the home machine forward to the machine at the conference? I think its just a matter of syntax on the SSH command line, but I can't seem to get it right. FYI, I'm using OpenSSH version 2.9.9p2, which I believe is the latest. Thanks in advance, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 2, 2001

Linux Showcase and upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, I will be attending the Annual Linux Showcase in Oakland, CA on Nov 8 - Nov 10. Is anybody else from the group planning to attend? I'm flying out on Nov 3 to see relatives in Los Angeles, and then I'll fly up to Oakland for the conference. I'll be sure to have a trip report for you all at the next WLUG meeting on Wednesday, November 14th. If anybody else has a small presentation that they'd like to give to the group at the next meeting, please let me know before Friday night if possible. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Hey, I'm on slashdot!!!

by Dan Potter

Hey, they also misspelled "it's" - "Its worth a read" should be "It's worth a read" - you can tell Taco wrote the writeup :) On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > Hey I just checked slashdot and they took my submission about the VM (per > Brians "An excellent read") I actually mentioned that I got the scoop from > a fellow Lugger and mentioned WLUG, but it looks like they just gave me a > name drop. > > Very cool non the less! > > Hey Brian, next time were in the Boyton, your beers payed for. > > Tim. aka "xturnip" > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 30, 2001

Hey, I'm on slashdot!!!

by Keller, Tim

Hey I just checked slashdot and they took my submission about the VM (per Brians "An excellent read") I actually mentioned that I got the scoop from a fellow Lugger and mentioned WLUG, but it looks like they just gave me a name drop. Very cool non the less! Hey Brian, next time were in the Boyton, your beers payed for. Tim. aka "xturnip"

Oct. 30, 2001

RE: [Wlug] An excellent read for the day

by Keller, Tim

Hey, its a great read... And for the record, I'm using the Arcangeli VM and I like it better than the "Rik" VM... I hope Alan and Linus don't end up forking the kernel, I think it would be bad for linux. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Brian J. Conway [mailto:dogbert@clue4all.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:11 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Cc: discuss(a)wpila.org Subject: [Wlug] An excellent read for the day Normally I try to refrain from posting links, especially since I'm sure a lot of people read LinuxToday, but this one was worth it. It's an excellent article on the whole 2.4 VM extravaganza, including the two implementations at war in the Linus and AC trees, kernel preemption, and some background information. It's a little biased towards the AA/Linus VM, but more informative than anything else. I'd suggest taking a few minutes out of your day and getting caught up on months of debate if you haven't already: http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20011024s0002/1029_moshe.html Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 30, 2001

An excellent read for the day

by Brian J. Conway

Normally I try to refrain from posting links, especially since I'm sure a lot of people read LinuxToday, but this one was worth it. It's an excellent article on the whole 2.4 VM extravaganza, including the two implementations at war in the Linus and AC trees, kernel preemption, and some background information. It's a little biased towards the AA/Linus VM, but more informative than anything else. I'd suggest taking a few minutes out of your day and getting caught up on months of debate if you haven't already: http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20011024s0002/1029_moshe.html Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Oct. 30, 2001

Re: [Wlug] More than 2 66mhz 64bit pci slots?

by ccb＠acm.org

> I've been looking around and I'm yet to find an x86 machine with more than 2 > 66mhz 64bit PCI slots. > > Does anybody know of such a machine (with 4 or more 66mhz 64bit PCI slots) > they can be on separate PCI buses. I don't think there are any. The best I know of is the Intel Quad Coppermine board used in their Koa (SRKA4) platform. Penguin sells that machine as the Relion 4500. VA used to sell it as the 4450. I'm sure you can still find someone offering it. The Intel STL2 and all of the other boards built around the ServerWorks chipset appear to only support 2 fast-wide slots. ccb

Oct. 30, 2001

SEE YOU IN IRC TONIGHT!

by Jeffrey Michael Reed

/server irc.linux.com /join #mwblug laters... -- ==//> Jeffrey Michael Reed ==//> Metro West Boston Linux User Group ==//> Co-founder/Administrator ==//> HTML, PHP, GNU/Linux ==//> ==//> Phunky Phresh stuff about... ==//> GNU/Linux, Hacking, Humor, ==//> Movies, Music, Programming, ==//> and Underground News about ==//> the Revolution... ==//> ==//> http://www.linuxbusca.com ==//> ==//> Favorite OS: Debian ==//> Favorite food: Lasagna ==//> Favorite brew: Guinness ==//> Favorite music: Mr. Bungle

Oct. 29, 2001

SEE YOU IN IRC TONIGHT!

by Jeffrey Michael Reed

hey y'all...this is jeff... i'd like to invite you to MWBLUG's IRC room tonight for some open-ended discussion. programmers, admins, and 3l33t h4x0rs needed. :) peace... -- ==//> Jeffrey Michael Reed ==//> Metro West Boston Linux User Group ==//> Co-founder/Administrator ==//> HTML, PHP, GNU/Linux ==//> ==//> Phunky Phresh stuff about... ==//> GNU/Linux, Hacking, Humor, ==//> Movies, Music, Programming, ==//> and Underground News about ==//> the Revolution... ==//> ==//> http://www.linuxbusca.com ==//> ==//> Favorite OS: Debian ==//> Favorite food: Lasagna ==//> Favorite brew: Guinness ==//> Favorite music: Mr. Bungle

Oct. 29, 2001

Re: [Wlug] More than 2 66mhz 64bit pci slots?

by Brian J. Conway

> Does anybody know of such a machine (with 4 or more 66mhz 64bit PCI slots) > they can be on separate PCI buses. After going through Tyan's web site (I swear by them), the only model I could find that wasn't using 64-bit 33mhz slots and had more than two at 66mhz was this one: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderhet.html , featuring 3 66mhz 5V slots and 1 66mhz 3.3V slot. Expensive, I'm sure, as dual processor, dual ethernet, and dual SCSI tend to be. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Oct. 29, 2001

More than 2 66mhz 64bit pci slots?

by Keller, Tim

I've been looking around and I'm yet to find an x86 machine with more than 2 66mhz 64bit PCI slots. Does anybody know of such a machine (with 4 or more 66mhz 64bit PCI slots) they can be on separate PCI buses. Thanks, Tim.

Oct. 29, 2001

Re: [Wlug] oh crud, ext3 has screwed my /home directory!

by RWCONDON＠aol.com

Just a thought about the command, If you are still logged in at root. Would your command history be available. Perhaps, you can print out the command history file and post it. We are looking for the file /root/.bash_history. Bob Condon

Oct. 27, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 08 October 2001 10:51 am, Skip Gaede wrote: > I need help! > > I upgraded my system to a new MLB and a faster CPU. With the new board, I > can't read or write to my ZIP drive (under Linux). I have a SCSI system, > with an Adaptec 78xx controller, an Adaptec RW CDROM (also ATAPI), and the > ZIP drive. > > Kernel: 2.4.10 > > Under ATAPI, I've checked only use SCSI emulation and under SCSI I've > checked SCSI CDROM. > > My board has both conventional ATA connectors and PROMISE ATA100 > connectors. The CDROM is attached to the conventional primary controller as > master and the ZIP is attached to the secondary controller as master. > > The drives are being supported as ide-scsi devices. Parameters passed in at > boot time include hda=scsi and hdc=scsi > > Anyone have any ideas? > Folks, It's taken a while, and I actually learned a lot about device drivers and the ide device drivers in particular. To sum it up, there was a bug in both the ide-floppy and ide-scsi drivers, which I was able to fix. The problem, at least on my system, was that the Zip drive issued an interrupt stating it was ready to receive a packet command somewhere in the vicinity of 30 msec before it was ready to actually receive the packet. My initial fix was not elegant. It involved sitting in a wait loop inside an interrupt service routine. Gadi Oxman, the original author, pointed out the error of my ways, and suggested that I implement it using the timer queue in the ide driver. The original fix used 70% of the cpu waiting on the timer. The revised fix uses < 1%. Later, Skip

Oct. 26, 2001

Lancaster MA Linux activities POSTPONED

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, There were a few people who had volunteered to come with me to Lancaster MA to do some Linux work this Saturday, October 27th. Well, I just got word that this will not happen this weekend, through no fault of our own. Warren's granddaughter will be born this weekend, hence, he's a little busy, and he asked us if we could come on another day (yet to be determined). (Warren is the director of the council on aging in Lancaster). I apologize for any inconvenience that this late notice might cause. I just found out myself. My thanks to those of you who were prepared to volunteer your time. -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 26, 2001

Re: [Wlug] oh crud, ext3 has screwed my /home directory!

by Brad Noyes

you may be able to get back some of the files that you lost by using debugfs. This might only work with ext2 (not sure how compatible ext3 is with ext2. But its hard to say if that will help since we don't know what the 'wrong command' was. You may want to research this before you try it, i'm just recalling this from memory. But if you want to use debugfs to recover data: - umount your partition. - type 'debugfs /dev/<your_partition>. - at the prompt, type 'lsdel'. This will list all the files and their inodes that have been deleted (no file name though). - when you see a inode that you want to recover, type 'dump <inode#> /tmp/<new_file_name>. (for example, 'dump <42> /tmp/project1'. -brad On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 10:51:52PM -0400, Wesley Allen wrote: > OK, I'm an idiot. I should have realized the the "no fault > possible" upgrade to ext3 was too good to be true. Perhaps I read a bit > too much this time and figured, "Hey, it's only adding a journaling > file, right? What can possibly go wrong.?" > Well, I followed the directions, but I'm tired and I ran the wrong > command. I erased my /home directory! Oh excrement, I was just working > on a web site for a client, it looked really nice, and now it's ALL GONE. > Well, I haven't written to the partition yet, so the inodes are > still there, right? How do I recover data? Most of it is not a > problem, but I had 2 projects that I really want to get back. > From now on I will do two things: > > 1. NEVER attempt that "cool thing I've been wanting to check out" > when I'm exhausted and haven't slept in a while. > 2. BACK-UP! > > Just please help! >

Oct. 25, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Speaking of bad things happening to file systems...

by Marc Hughes

If it was me, I would download the SUSE live eval CD and boot off of that. It will give you a basic linux system to work with without changing the hard drive. Then use that to copy the files off of the machine to a safe place. I haven't tried this out in a while, but I'm fairly sure you can get networking running right off the CD. Of course this is all assuming the filesystem on the drive isn't pooched. You can also replace "SUSE live eval CD" with any of the single floppy disk distributions. -Marc On Thu, 2001-10-25 at 08:20, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > This is a story about a ZIP drive, Windows 2000 Pro, and how I think Linux > might save the day. So, if you have any good ideas before I go down this > path, please let me know! > > So, this all started when I tried to install a Zip drive on my wife's > laptop (IBM A20m) running Win2k Pro. I was doing this so she could back-up > her important files (e.g., Quicken) before we began installing additional > software and RedHat Linux. The Zip drive screwed the OS - couldn't boot > after the install program said to reboot. Windows! > > Next, I tried the various Windows mechanisms for trying to recover and > repair the OS. No luck - things got a bit worse (but I won't bore you with > the details). I even went so far as to call IBM's support center to see if > they had a way of restoring to defaults in a non-destructive way. No > Luck. In fact, the support engineer I spoke with told me he tried to get a > ZIP drive going on his system running Win2k Pro and after working with > Iomega for 3 hours - he gave up. > > My wife says its OK to wipe the disk and start over, but I know better > (esp. after 16 years of marriage)! > > So I had a bright idea (well, an idea anyway). If I had partition magic, I > could partition the disk, install Windows 2000 on the new partition, get > all of her important files across the network to one of my other PCs, then > wipe the disk and start over. BUT, I don't have partition magic (sigh). > > Then it hit me - why couldn't I do this with Linux? I want to have Linux > and Win2k on the laptop when I'm done anyway, so why not partition the > hard drive and then go from there? > > So, because I don't want to take any chances with my wife's files, here are > some overly cautious questions: > > 1. During the install of RedHat 7.1, I assume I can re-partition > non-destructively and end up with a bad Win2k and a good RedHat when I'm > done. Does the RedHat install try to test to see if there is another OS or > does it just let me re-partition at will? (Never installed Linux with > Windows before.) > > 2. If I install RedHat 7.1 in the second newly created partition, can I > read the files from the 2000 partition? IBM tells me they always go FAT16 > with their distributions, but its a large disk so it might be FAT32. > > 3. If there is a problem with reading the Win2k file system, or if you > think going this route is a bad idea, is there a way to run just the > partitioning portion of the RedHat install to make a partition that I can > install Win2k into? > > The goal here is to get files off of the existing Win2k file system and > then to wipe the machine and start over... > > Thanks in Advance! > Steve > > > Stephen C. Daukas > stephen(a)daukas.com > (508) 845-9809 - Home > (508) 845-5015 - Fax > (508) 612-2149 - Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 25, 2001

Speaking of bad things happening to file systems...

by Stephen C. Daukas

This is a story about a ZIP drive, Windows 2000 Pro, and how I think Linux might save the day. So, if you have any good ideas before I go down this path, please let me know! So, this all started when I tried to install a Zip drive on my wife's laptop (IBM A20m) running Win2k Pro. I was doing this so she could back-up her important files (e.g., Quicken) before we began installing additional software and RedHat Linux. The Zip drive screwed the OS - couldn't boot after the install program said to reboot. Windows! Next, I tried the various Windows mechanisms for trying to recover and repair the OS. No luck - things got a bit worse (but I won't bore you with the details). I even went so far as to call IBM's support center to see if they had a way of restoring to defaults in a non-destructive way. No Luck. In fact, the support engineer I spoke with told me he tried to get a ZIP drive going on his system running Win2k Pro and after working with Iomega for 3 hours - he gave up. My wife says its OK to wipe the disk and start over, but I know better (esp. after 16 years of marriage)! So I had a bright idea (well, an idea anyway). If I had partition magic, I could partition the disk, install Windows 2000 on the new partition, get all of her important files across the network to one of my other PCs, then wipe the disk and start over. BUT, I don't have partition magic (sigh). Then it hit me - why couldn't I do this with Linux? I want to have Linux and Win2k on the laptop when I'm done anyway, so why not partition the hard drive and then go from there? So, because I don't want to take any chances with my wife's files, here are some overly cautious questions: 1. During the install of RedHat 7.1, I assume I can re-partition non-destructively and end up with a bad Win2k and a good RedHat when I'm done. Does the RedHat install try to test to see if there is another OS or does it just let me re-partition at will? (Never installed Linux with Windows before.) 2. If I install RedHat 7.1 in the second newly created partition, can I read the files from the 2000 partition? IBM tells me they always go FAT16 with their distributions, but its a large disk so it might be FAT32. 3. If there is a problem with reading the Win2k file system, or if you think going this route is a bad idea, is there a way to run just the partitioning portion of the RedHat install to make a partition that I can install Win2k into? The goal here is to get files off of the existing Win2k file system and then to wipe the machine and start over... Thanks in Advance! Steve Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 25, 2001

Re: [Wlug] oh crud, ext3 has screwed my /home directory!

by Scott Venier

I think the question that have have to ask is WHICH wrong command ended up getting run that borked your filesystem? Scott On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Wesley Allen wrote: > OK, I'm an idiot. I should have realized the the "no fault > possible" upgrade to ext3 was too good to be true. Perhaps I read a bit > too much this time and figured, "Hey, it's only adding a journaling > file, right? What can possibly go wrong.?" > Well, I followed the directions, but I'm tired and I ran the wrong > command. I erased my /home directory! Oh excrement, I was just working > on a web site for a client, it looked really nice, and now it's ALL GONE. > Well, I haven't written to the partition yet, so the inodes are > still there, right? How do I recover data? Most of it is not a > problem, but I had 2 projects that I really want to get back. > From now on I will do two things: > > 1. NEVER attempt that "cool thing I've been wanting to check out" > when I'm exhausted and haven't slept in a while. > 2. BACK-UP! > > Just please help! > >

Oct. 25, 2001

oh crud, ext3 has screwed my /home directory!

by Wesley Allen

OK, I'm an idiot. I should have realized the the "no fault possible" upgrade to ext3 was too good to be true. Perhaps I read a bit too much this time and figured, "Hey, it's only adding a journaling file, right? What can possibly go wrong.?" Well, I followed the directions, but I'm tired and I ran the wrong command. I erased my /home directory! Oh excrement, I was just working on a web site for a client, it looked really nice, and now it's ALL GONE. Well, I haven't written to the partition yet, so the inodes are still there, right? How do I recover data? Most of it is not a problem, but I had 2 projects that I really want to get back. From now on I will do two things: 1. NEVER attempt that "cool thing I've been wanting to check out" when I'm exhausted and haven't slept in a while. 2. BACK-UP! Just please help!

Oct. 25, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Volunteers sought for Lancaster, MA project

by Aljerin L. Butler, Jr.

Andy Stewart wrote: > HI gang, > > I am seeking a couple of volunteers to help out with our Linux project in > Lancaster, MA. I have one confirmed volunteer plus myself. I think 2-3 > more people would probably be enough. > > Here's what we'll be doing as far as I know: > > 1) Installing CUPS > 2) Installing 2(?) printers > 2.5) possibly a scanner plus SANE > 3) Insuring this all works from all Linux machines > 4) Installing SAMBA > 5) Insuring access to printers from 1(?) Windows machine > 6) Possibly tweaking an old ISA NIC > > The date is this Saturday, October 27th, around 11 AM - 3 PM (if it takes > that long). Let's see how many of those bullet items we can accomplish. > > Please RSVP to me so that a) I know who's coming, and b) I can insure we > don't have too many people. The physical space at the Lancaster location > isn't conducive to a large crowd. I'll send you directions after you RSVP. > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Andy Stewart > Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Andy, Count me in. I just need directions in how to get there from Marlboro (Rt. 495). Al Butler

Oct. 23, 2001

Volunteers sought for Lancaster, MA project

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I am seeking a couple of volunteers to help out with our Linux project in Lancaster, MA. I have one confirmed volunteer plus myself. I think 2-3 more people would probably be enough. Here's what we'll be doing as far as I know: 1) Installing CUPS 2) Installing 2(?) printers 2.5) possibly a scanner plus SANE 3) Insuring this all works from all Linux machines 4) Installing SAMBA 5) Insuring access to printers from 1(?) Windows machine 6) Possibly tweaking an old ISA NIC The date is this Saturday, October 27th, around 11 AM - 3 PM (if it takes that long). Let's see how many of those bullet items we can accomplish. Please RSVP to me so that a) I know who's coming, and b) I can insure we don't have too many people. The physical space at the Lancaster location isn't conducive to a large crowd. I'll send you directions after you RSVP. Thanks in advance! -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 23, 2001

Re: [Wlug] suse rpms

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 21 October 2001 02:00 pm, you wrote: > hi all, > > I am trying to install php module for suse 7.2 (personal ed.) > but rpm shows that there are libraries to install before mod_php4-core > and mod_php4. > > I ask two things: > 1 - is there an easy way to determine which suse package includes, for > example, libpdf.so.0 Not that I know about. I would search the ls-lR.gz file or the INDEX.gz for pdf and see what comes up. In fact, I have SuSE 7.2 PRO and the RPM package that you want is pdflib.rpm. For me, its on CD #4, but your mileage may vary. > > 2 - is there an easy way to determine which path at ftp.suse.com > includes that suse package? Once you know where it is on the CDs, you can peruse their ftp site and find that same directory under the updates directory to see if there is a more current package. > > thanks, > baris Anytime! > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 21, 2001

suse rpms

by Baris Hasdemir

hi all, I am trying to install php module for suse 7.2 (personal ed.) but rpm shows that there are libraries to install before mod_php4-core and mod_php4. I ask two things: 1 - is there an easy way to determine which suse package includes, for example, libpdf.so.0 2 - is there an easy way to determine which path at ftp.suse.com includes that suse package? thanks, baris

Oct. 21, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 08 October 2001 10:51 am, Skip Gaede wrote: > I need help! > > I upgraded my system to a new MLB and a faster CPU. With the new board, I > can't read or write to my ZIP drive (under Linux). I have a SCSI system, > with an Adaptec 78xx controller, an Adaptec RW CDROM (also ATAPI), and the > ZIP drive. > > Kernel: 2.4.10 > More progress! The drive is best handled by the ide-floppy driver, and it works best when the BIOS is setup to present the drive as a mini-hard drive, as opposed to a big floppy. The driver, at least as far as formatting goes, stinks. doing a mke2fs -b 1024 -v /dev/hdc1 took a paltry 2 hours to complete, as compared with about 2 minutes for a complete format under WinNT. or 10 minutes using the Iomega software. During the two hour format, I got over 100 lost interrupts, which were interpreted as bad blocks. The driver is being worked on, and this one is at rev 0.97.sv. It uses packet writing technology. There are a number of settings I can tweak under /proc/ide/hdc/settings, but I've not found documentation on the params: name value min max mode ---- ----- --- --- ---- bios_cyl 96 0 1023 rw bios_head 64 0 255 rw bios_sect 32 0 63 rw breada_readahead 4 0 127 rw current_speed 8 0 69 rw file_readahead 0 0 2097151 rw ide_scsi 0 0 1 rw init_speed 8 0 69 rw io_32bit 1 0 3 rw keepsettings 0 0 1 rw max_kb_per_request 127 1 127 rw nice1 1 0 1 rw number 2 0 3 rw pio_mode write-only 0 255 w slow 0 0 1 rw unmaskirq 1 0 1 rw using_dma 0 0 1 rw Clearly the driver and the current settings leave something to be desired. I'm now investigating leaving the drive formatted vfat and creating a rescue disk using the loopback device to mount a couple of files on the drive. Does anyone know of any up-to-date references on making a loopback root filesystem under the 2.4 kernel? The most recent document I've found on Linuxdoc is by Andrew Bishop dated Sept 24, 1999. Thanks, Skip

Oct. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Sullivan presentation

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > Read more about it in the forwarded message below. If you have questions, > please send them to Brad Dinerman, who's e-mail appears below. > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Kevin writes: > (and we will break the silence surrounding MIME) This must be a joke, right? There's more noise surrounding MIME than surrounding Logan airport or a Pittsburgh steel mill. Clearly this talk will fill a much needed gap. (read that twice) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; > boundary="------------Boundary-00=_SSX9Z3JZIDZ1MY1L06VN" > SPECIAL NOVEMBER MEETING > > This is a *must-attend* event, = > and will be publicized to a large number > > of user groups.  Kevin = > Sullivan, president and security specialist > > extraordinaire of C3 Group, will = > present on a topic that is probably > > near and dear to most of our = > hearts: "E-Mail: The Backdoor To Your Damn that's ugly. But I guess they have to do that so that the blank lines are in the default font.

Oct. 16, 2001

Kevin Sullivan presentation

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, As part of our cooperation with other user's groups (especially those that are part of Boston User Groups, as are we), I'm forwarding this to you. Kevin Sullivan, president of C3 group, will be giving a talk entitled "E-Mail: The Backdoor to your Network". This talk is not e-mail system specific, but about e-mail systems and vulnerabilities in general. Read more about it in the forwarded message below. If you have questions, please send them to Brad Dinerman, who's e-mail appears below. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: User group chairs: request for announcement Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:39:24 -0400 From: "Bradley J. Dinerman" <BDinerman(a)BostonUserGroups.com> To: <Members(a)BostonUserGroups.com> To all user group chairs: I'd like to ask your assistance. My group, the Boston Area Exchange Server User Group, is planning a special presentation at our November meeting (11/29). The topic will be "E-Mail: The Backdoor To Your Network," and will be given by Kevin Sullivan, president of C3 Group. [Some of you may remember that Kevin gave a key security presentation to the October TechNet expo last year. It was extremely well received.] Please note that this presentation is not Exchange Server specific. It addresses e-mail systems and vulnerabilities in general, regardless of platform! I am declaring this meeting "special" because of the importance of the topic, as well as the fact that I am promoting it to multiple user groups. In particular, I'd like to ask if you could announce this meeting to your user groups, either by e-mail or at your upcoming meeting. The details that I provided in my own group's October newsletter are below my signature. You can feel free to copy the content, or to summarize accordingly. Please let me know if you are willing to announce this to your group (or not). Thank you, Brad Dinerman Chair, Boston Area Exchange Server User Group Director and Webmaster, BostonUserGroups, Inc. __________________________________________________________________ SPECIAL NOVEMBER MEETING This is a *must-attend* event, and will be publicized to a large number of user groups. Kevin Sullivan, president and security specialist extraordinaire of C3 Group, will present on a topic that is probably near and dear to most of our hearts: "E-Mail: The Backdoor To Your Network." The presentation will be interesting for both the non-technical as well as the overly-technical. Kevin writes: "Recent experience with the rapidly spreading and highly destructive Nimda and SirCam worms has demonstrated the ease with which a harmful "payload" can slip in to many otherwise secure networks via Email. I will open by having a sacrificial laptop with IE 5.5 SP1 and Outlook 2K SP1. I will connect to a server and receive my e-mail messages, then watch as my poor computer becomes infected with as many different viruses and worms as I can cram in before it dies. Then we will follow the process (on another system) of how the attack got from the (possibly) clueless sender to the clueless recipient. We will review how the mail travels from your desktop to the recipient - through local, corporate, and Internet servers. We will pay particular attention to attachments - how they are attached, transmitted, and delivered (and we will break the silence surrounding MIME). Finally, we will look at some specific examples of vulnerabilities and how they can be reduced." OK, so in addition to being an incredibly timely and popular topic, what else is different? Because it will be highly publicized to the user group community and we will be expecting a higher than usual turnout, registration will be required for this meeting. You can pre-register at http://www.ExchangeServerBoston.com/Registration. In addition, I will be asking for the first time ever, for a nominal fee for the meeting. It is only a paltry $2, but will help to cover some of the base operating expenses for this and other meetings, including our membership to Boston User Groups, Inc. [Those who register at the door will have to shell out a whopping 50% more, $3] I've already asked a number of vendors for raffle contributions for this meeting, and many of them have happily obliged. As usual, pizza/beverages will be free of charge, and will be sponsored this month by SilverSword Solutions (http://www.SilverSword.com) ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Router question...

by Josh Huber

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> writes: > As far as making a modem dial on demand, check out the diald > software.. This is actually included as part of Coyote Linux. Ah, you might want to actually not use diald, since it's essentially a _really_ bad hack. pppd has demand dialing built in, and it works much better than diald in my experience... look for the "demand" option in the pppd man page. ttyl, -- Josh Huber

Oct. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Router question...

by Andy Stewart

Instead of LRP, I'd like to suggest that you look at Coyote Linux. It is a project which has leveraged the work of LRP and added to it. It is more up to date than LRP, and I though, easier to configure. http://www.coyotelinux.com As far as making a modem dial on demand, check out the diald software.. This is actually included as part of Coyote Linux. Hope this helps, Andy On Friday 12 October 2001 10:40 pm, William Smith wrote: > Hi all... > > I have a "headless" laptop that works fine, except that it hasn't got > the LCD screen (hence the "headless" part). I'd like to rig it as a > firewall between a home LAN and the 'Net. > > I would LIKE to have it basically sit there and watch the LAN and > connect to the 'Net only when someone on the LAN needs to get to the > Outside World (for surfing, mailruns, etc), then disconnect after a > respectable (configurable?) amount of idle time. > > I've been looking into modem-sharing, but that doesn't seem to be what I > want, exactly. I have a pretty-good idea that I'll be playing with the > LRP stuff, but I really would like to utilize the 2.4 kernel (LRP is > only at 2.0/2.2 as far as I can see). > > Has anyone been doing something like this already? > Hints/tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 13, 2001

Router question...

by William Smith

Hi all... I have a "headless" laptop that works fine, except that it hasn't got the LCD screen (hence the "headless" part). I'd like to rig it as a firewall between a home LAN and the 'Net. I would LIKE to have it basically sit there and watch the LAN and connect to the 'Net only when someone on the LAN needs to get to the Outside World (for surfing, mailruns, etc), then disconnect after a respectable (configurable?) amount of idle time. I've been looking into modem-sharing, but that doesn't seem to be what I want, exactly. I have a pretty-good idea that I'll be playing with the LRP stuff, but I really would like to utilize the 2.4 kernel (LRP is only at 2.0/2.2 as far as I can see). Has anyone been doing something like this already? Hints/tips/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Oct. 13, 2001

Free Registration to Annual Linux Conference: November 5-10, 2001

by Theo Van Dinter

I got this from the USENIX group (http://www.usenix.org/) thought you folks might be interested. :) ----- Forwarded message ----- Dear USENIX members and past conference attendees: We know that many of you may be reluctant to travel because of the recent turn in world events and the economic downturn. To encourage your attendance at ALS '01, USENIX and the Atlanta Linux Showcase, Inc. are now offering FREE technical session registrations to those wishing to attend. The 5th Annual Linux Showcase and Conference November 5-10, 2001 Oakland Marriott City Center - Oakland, California http://www.linuxshowcase.org We are making this extraordinary offer because we believe the networking opportunities and high-caliber technical content at ALS '01 provide an important service to the general open source community and to our membership. This year's ALS program features invited talks by: - Thomas Sterling, CalTech & NASA JPL on Petaflops Computing with Linux - Don Becker, Scyld Computing, Inc. on Home Beowulf Systems - Tony Iams, D.H. Brown Associates on A competitive assessment of Linux in the Enterprise - Helen Greiner, i-Robot on the state of Robotic Today - Don Marti, on Embedded Linux Success Stories The invited talks track also reflects several political issues currently facing the open source community such as DMCA, SSSCA, copyrights, and software patents. These are important issues which we feel should not be put off for discussion at a later time. In addition to the above, ALS '01 also provides practical, professional-level education through over 12 TUTORIALS (which will charge a fee) including: -Inside the Linux Kernel -Exploring the Potential of LDAP -Configuring and Administering Samba Servers -Linux Systems Administration -Unix/Linux Network Administration -Building and Using a Personal Beowulf We also offer workshops on: KDE Applications, GTK+/GNOME Development and XFree86 CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS Thursday, November 8 Join USENIX as we celebrate the 10th Birthday Party for Linux! The reception will be followed by the famous Linux BOF with Linus Torvalds, Jon "maddog" Hall, Ted Ts'o, Bryan Andregg, and a few hundred of your peers. The Open Source Development Lab (OSDL) is hosting a hothouse. OSDL's new Scalable Test Platform (STP) will be open to developers for testing kernel patches on OSDL's 1-way to 16-way servers. Members of the lab's expert staff will be on hand to discuss datacenter Linux requirements such as scaling, clustering and hardening. Bring your patches to see if they can take the heat of some serious testing! With exceptional content, speakers and tutorials, ALS '01 remains the only truly technical conference for the open source community, providing an important forum for discussion, both political and technical - - and bringing the community together to have some fun! For the complete conference schedule and to register visit: http://www.linuxshowcase.org We look forward to seeing you in Oakland next month. - The USENIX Association Staff =============================================================== 5th Annual Linux Showcase & Conference (ALS 2001) is sponsored by USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association, and the Atlanta Linux Showcase, in cooperation with Linux International. =============================================================== ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Two-hundred-thirty-nine pounds?! I'm a blimp! Why are all the good things so tasty? -- Homer Simpson Brush With Greatness

Oct. 13, 2001

Scanner

by John Murphy

Looking for suggestion on a scanner for Suse. One with at least 42 bit or higher in the $100 to $200 dollar range. Have gone through the hardware databases but most home/office mid-range scanners listed are pretty old. Possible the listing hasn't been updated in a while. I've gone through the Sane site and Suse. If you have good 42bit or higher scanner working through Sane and Gimp love to hear about it. Trying to save myself from buying the wrong one making me move back to windows, save me!! John -- Contentment is not the fulfillment of what you want, but the realization of how much you already have.

Oct. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] more on event correlation...

by Mike Peckar

Whoops, didn't mean to send to the entire list - I guess I had too many mini oreo cookies last night... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Peckar <ov(a)fognet.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: [Wlug] more on event correlation... > Nice meeting you tonight, Chuck, and THANKS for the redhat cd's... > > sec was the freeware event correlation tool I spoke of tonight: It is a > straightforward perl script and doesn't implement a full state machine, but > it nevertheless provides some inklings of what more complciated event > correlators do. Check it at http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/ > > The best commercial event corellation tools IMHO are Nervecenter, Taave, > Smarts, and Netcool. Each has its niche where it's best in class, and > there are others, like HP's ECS, Logec, G2, etc. > > My friend Doug Stevenson is a specialist in event correlation and wrote the > Maji spec: the open source event correlation engine being developed under > the umbrella of OpenNMS (yeah, so, it'll be java - but it will also be very > feature rich). He masterfully defines some of the layers of granularity that > one might see amongst the different offerings in the Event Correlation > space. Types we talked about tonight include event correlation (reducing > traps) and device correlation (mapping switch states to events). His > definitions are listed below... > > Mike > > > > <snipped message> > OK... > > Here goes... > § Event Correlation > > § Alarm Correlation > > § Device Correlation > > § System Correlation > > § Service Correlation > > § Performance Correlation > > § Security Correlation > > Event Correlation - This is a correlation where multiple events are filtered > and processed, thereby reducing the number of events presented. This is > primarily done with event tally counts and trap problem verification. > > Alarm Correlation - This is a correlation of alarms and alerts depicting > true problems or root causes and their current status. Side effect alarms or > alarms occurring as a result of a root cause alarm are suppressed or become > subordinate to the root cause alarm. > > Device Correlation - This is a correlation of devices, their specific > internal components (both hardware and software), and the device's behavior > with other devices. Additionally, device correlation lends itself toward > configuration management as it is a dynamic inventory of devices, > subsystems, components, and behaviors. > > System Correlation - This is a correlation of devices and managed objects as > they pertain to an overall system. This level of correlation enables one to > manage and classify a conglomeration of managed objects as a manageable > entity. > > Service Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the devices and > systems that make up an IT service. In essence, this is the correlation of > managed objects and systems to business rules; similar to a translation of > terms from computers and systems to business services. The Service > Correlation can be extended to customer impact analysis, business > profitability impact analysis, etc. > > Performance Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the effects > performance has with regards to a fault. It is unique in that performance > correlation can be applied to enhance the correlation of all of the other > categories. > > Security Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the degree of > threats caused by security incidents. It is unique in that security > correlation is embedded among all the other six categories described above. > > HTH, > > Doug... > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 12, 2001

more on event correlation...

by Mike Peckar

Nice meeting you tonight, Chuck, and THANKS for the redhat cd's... sec was the freeware event correlation tool I spoke of tonight: It is a straightforward perl script and doesn't implement a full state machine, but it nevertheless provides some inklings of what more complciated event correlators do. Check it at http://kodu.neti.ee/~risto/sec/ The best commercial event corellation tools IMHO are Nervecenter, Taave, Smarts, and Netcool. Each has its niche where it's best in class, and there are others, like HP's ECS, Logec, G2, etc. My friend Doug Stevenson is a specialist in event correlation and wrote the Maji spec: the open source event correlation engine being developed under the umbrella of OpenNMS (yeah, so, it'll be java - but it will also be very feature rich). He masterfully defines some of the layers of granularity that one might see amongst the different offerings in the Event Correlation space. Types we talked about tonight include event correlation (reducing traps) and device correlation (mapping switch states to events). His definitions are listed below... Mike <snipped message> OK... Here goes... § Event Correlation § Alarm Correlation § Device Correlation § System Correlation § Service Correlation § Performance Correlation § Security Correlation Event Correlation - This is a correlation where multiple events are filtered and processed, thereby reducing the number of events presented. This is primarily done with event tally counts and trap problem verification. Alarm Correlation - This is a correlation of alarms and alerts depicting true problems or root causes and their current status. Side effect alarms or alarms occurring as a result of a root cause alarm are suppressed or become subordinate to the root cause alarm. Device Correlation - This is a correlation of devices, their specific internal components (both hardware and software), and the device's behavior with other devices. Additionally, device correlation lends itself toward configuration management as it is a dynamic inventory of devices, subsystems, components, and behaviors. System Correlation - This is a correlation of devices and managed objects as they pertain to an overall system. This level of correlation enables one to manage and classify a conglomeration of managed objects as a manageable entity. Service Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the devices and systems that make up an IT service. In essence, this is the correlation of managed objects and systems to business rules; similar to a translation of terms from computers and systems to business services. The Service Correlation can be extended to customer impact analysis, business profitability impact analysis, etc. Performance Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the effects performance has with regards to a fault. It is unique in that performance correlation can be applied to enhance the correlation of all of the other categories. Security Correlation - This correlation is used to determine the degree of threats caused by security incidents. It is unique in that security correlation is embedded among all the other six categories described above. HTH, Doug...

Oct. 12, 2001

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Thursday October 11th

by Aljerin L. Butler, Jr.

Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held in Kinnicutt > Hall at WPI on Thursday, October 11th at 7:00 PM. > > On the agenda: > > 1) A discussion of whether or not WLUG should join the Boston User Groups > organization. Check out http://www.bostonusergroups.com for more > information. These folks have legally incorporated as an organization to > act as an umbrella group for all sorts of computer user groups in / around > Boston, southern NH, northern RI, and as far west as Worcester. We have > been invited to join, and I recommend that we do so. The initial cost to > the group would be $50, which we can easily afford. More on this at the > meeting...... > > 2) Outcome of the most recently held install fest at WPI last week > > 3) Technical Q/A > > 4) I'll have 6 or 8 copies of StarOffice 6.0 beta available on CD > > 5) The last of the giveaways! (I'll get more at the Annual Linux Showcase > in Oakland next month). > > 6) Other topics of interest? If you have a burning desire to address the > group, let me know. > > 7) Update on Lancaster and plan our next trip to that site. > > FYI: As many of you know, I have been contributing to an open source > project called gimp-print. My contribution is as the writer of the users > guide. Well, the users guide has been officially released for the first > time! Check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-print for a really > great set of printer drivers (my stuff is in version 4.1.99-b3). Feel > free to fire documentation barbs my way. :-) > > Afterwards, I'm sure we'll take our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton > Restaurant for pizza and beers. All are invited! > > -- > Andy Stewart > Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Andy, I won't be able to make the meeting, but you got my vote on joining with Boston. Save a StarOffice CD for me. Al Butler

Oct. 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] apache question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 12:09:40PM -0400, Brad Noyes wrote: > "GET /phpnuke/ HTTP/1.1" 200 19586 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.1-0.rh71.1.cups)" > Here's an unsessful attempt > "GET /phpnuke/ HTTP/1.1" 200 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.1-0.rh71.1.cups)" > > Anyone have any idea why this might i might be only getting > such a small object returned to the client, resulting in a > blank page? This isn't going to help you, but the problem is with phpnuke -- Apache just reports what the PHP generates, so if it sends 5 bytes, that's why it's a blank page. (ie: there's nothing from this log file that would help pinpoint your problem beyond "it's phpnuke" ...) I'd look around for bugs with the version of phpnuke that you're running. Does it have any logs that you can go through, or a debug mode or something? -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." (Linus Torvalds about the superiority of Linux on the Amterdam Linux Symposium)

Oct. 11, 2001

apache question

by Brad Noyes

Hi all, i have a question about apache. I've loaded a php program called phpnuke (simaler to slashcode). But sometimes when i try to load the main page i get a blank page. I looked though the logs, and the php code. The only thing that i could find that was of interest was the access_log file. Here's a successful attempt "GET /phpnuke/ HTTP/1.1" 200 19586 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.1-0.rh71.1.cups)" Here's an unsessful attempt "GET /phpnuke/ HTTP/1.1" 200 5 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2.1-0.rh71.1.cups)" The difference is the field following '200'. I looked on the net and i found that the numbers '19586' and '5' are the size of the object being returned to the client. Anyone have any idea why this might i might be only getting such a small object returned to the client, resulting in a blank page? Thanks, --Brad

Oct. 11, 2001

Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest

by doug waud

Mike Peckar wrote: > > Hey Andy, > > I read with interest about your installfest on the listserve (I pile up > emails and pour through infrequently) and I'm sorry I missed it - I find > myself in need of an upgrade on one of my boxes. Hi I was at the installfest but, since we had an excess of installers, I decided to sit next to Chuck and suck up expertise by osmosis. The bottom line is that, back home the next morning, I was able to do a full network install of Red Hat 7.1 --- not bad for an amateur/newbie. The bottom line is that, if you have broadband access (I have a cable connection with the town cable company in Shrewsbury) you can suck the whole works off Chuck's mirror at WPI. You can get more details tomorrow night at the WLUG meeting or, if you are in a hurry, first ftp to 130.215.24.5 and move to /pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/7.1/os/i386/images and do a directory listing. You will see a file bootnet.img; download it. Then copy it to a good floppy. Specifically, dd if=/home/bootnet.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440 (but, if you, like I, do not trust floppies, precede this with /sbin/badblocks -v /dev/fd0 1440 to make sure floppy disk is ok) At this point you boot from that floppy and a Red Hat install screen comes up and you just follow the instructions for an upgrade. Just press enter at the initial boot prompt to get the option at the top of that first screen -- install/upgrade. When asked for installation method pick FTP. If your box normally uses DHCP pick that on the next screen, otherwise (my case) enter its IP dotted quad etc. When asked for the source, again use 130.215.24.5 and use /pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/7.1/os/i386 for the directory. (do not check use non-anonymous FTP) The Red Hat process will take over from there. You will see lots of activity on the ethernet card lights as the ramdisk stuff is downloaded. This tells you that you got things right up to this point! :-) A couple of screens later you get to pick the class of install. You would want Upgrade. The rest is downhill and pretty obvious, even to me. doug -- Douglas R Waud, Professor Emeritus -- Pharmacology University of Massachusetts Medical School Mailing address: 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006

Oct. 10, 2001

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Thursday October 11th

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI on Thursday, October 11th at 7:00 PM. On the agenda: 1) A discussion of whether or not WLUG should join the Boston User Groups organization. Check out http://www.bostonusergroups.com for more information. These folks have legally incorporated as an organization to act as an umbrella group for all sorts of computer user groups in / around Boston, southern NH, northern RI, and as far west as Worcester. We have been invited to join, and I recommend that we do so. The initial cost to the group would be $50, which we can easily afford. More on this at the meeting...... 2) Outcome of the most recently held install fest at WPI last week 3) Technical Q/A 4) I'll have 6 or 8 copies of StarOffice 6.0 beta available on CD 5) The last of the giveaways! (I'll get more at the Annual Linux Showcase in Oakland next month). 6) Other topics of interest? If you have a burning desire to address the group, let me know. 7) Update on Lancaster and plan our next trip to that site. FYI: As many of you know, I have been contributing to an open source project called gimp-print. My contribution is as the writer of the users guide. Well, the users guide has been officially released for the first time! Check out http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-print for a really great set of printer drivers (my stuff is in version 4.1.99-b3). Feel free to fire documentation barbs my way. :-) Afterwards, I'm sure we'll take our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beers. All are invited! -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Keith Wright

> From: Skip Gaede <sgaede(a)mediaone.net> > > I still haven't gotten the disk formatted with ext2. I suspect it has to do > with the fact that mke2fs wants to see a partition table. I don't have the > support compiled for formatting a umsdos filesystem. Iomegaware has a smal > program "iw" that's supposed to allow you to make an ext2 fs on the disk, but man fdisk -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Oct. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest

by Andy Stewart

Hi Mike, I don't personally have RedHat 7.1 in my possession (I'm a SuSE kinda guy) but I'm sure there are folks in the group who have copies. I suspect that people will bring these to the next meeting, so if you make it, you could probably grab a copy that way. Andy On Tuesday 09 October 2001 10:12 pm, you wrote: > Hey Andy, > > I read with interest about your installfest on the listserve (I pile up > emails and pour through infrequently) and I'm sorry I missed it - I find > myself in need of an upgrade on one of my boxes. > > I saw you have many copies of several recent distributions - I am > looking to get a copy of redhat 7.1 - got any left over from last week? > I'd love get a set... > > TIA, and one of these days I'd love to actually catch a meeting.. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest > > > HI Tim, > > > > This sounds really great - thanks! If you can get the KDE 2.2.1 rpms, > > that might be something to put onthe "others" CD. > > > > Andy > > > > On Monday 01 October 2001 08:39 am, you wrote: > > > This is what I plan on bringing. > > > > > > 1. 5 sets of Redhat 7.1 > > > 2. 5 sets of Debian 2.2rev3 > > > 3. 10 cd's with the following.. > > > a. latest kernel/modtools (2.4.10) > > > b. StarOffice > > > c. latest mozilla benchmark (0.9.4) > > > > > > If anybody has some input on what else I should put on the "others" > > > cd, let me know. > > > > > > Tim. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Lee Ludwig [mailto:davidl@WPI.EDU] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:05 AM > > > To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' > > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] next week's installfest > > > > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > > What you might want todo is just grab everything; debs, rpms and > > > > tarballs. > > > > > > > > That way, not matter what distribution we load, we'd be able to > > > > install. > > > > > > I was planning on grabbing as much as I can, however each > > > version of each distribution has a different set of Ximian Gnome > > > packages that run around 225MB a piece. > > > > > > What CDs do people plan on bringing? > > > > -- > > Andy Stewart > > Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA, USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest

by Mike Peckar

Hey Andy, I read with interest about your installfest on the listserve (I pile up emails and pour through infrequently) and I'm sorry I missed it - I find myself in need of an upgrade on one of my boxes. I saw you have many copies of several recent distributions - I am looking to get a copy of redhat 7.1 - got any left over from last week? I'd love get a set... TIA, and one of these days I'd love to actually catch a meeting.. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest > > HI Tim, > > This sounds really great - thanks! If you can get the KDE 2.2.1 rpms, > that might be something to put onthe "others" CD. > > Andy > > > On Monday 01 October 2001 08:39 am, you wrote: > > This is what I plan on bringing. > > > > 1. 5 sets of Redhat 7.1 > > 2. 5 sets of Debian 2.2rev3 > > 3. 10 cd's with the following.. > > a. latest kernel/modtools (2.4.10) > > b. StarOffice > > c. latest mozilla benchmark (0.9.4) > > > > If anybody has some input on what else I should put on the "others" cd, > > let me know. > > > > Tim. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Lee Ludwig [mailto:davidl@WPI.EDU] > > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:05 AM > > To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' > > Subject: RE: [Wlug] next week's installfest > > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > > > What you might want todo is just grab everything; debs, rpms and > > > tarballs. > > > > > > That way, not matter what distribution we load, we'd be able to > > > install. > > > > I was planning on grabbing as much as I can, however each > > version of each distribution has a different set of Ximian Gnome > > packages that run around 225MB a piece. > > > > What CDs do people plan on bringing? > > -- > Andy Stewart > Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 10, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 08 October 2001 10:51 am, skip gaede wrote: > I need help! I've made some progress, actually. The biggest help was actuall a pointer to the following web page: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/zip/zip-1.html In there, I learned that Windows wants to see the drive as a big floppy, with no partition table. To do that, there are multiple ways to hide the first track on the drive: there is a jumper on the back of the drive, and my bios actually allows one to select whether the first track is hidden or not. I have compiled the ide-scsi and ide-floppy drivers as modules, and depending on what I put on the command line as boot options (hdc=scsi or hdc=ide-floppy), the drive will be handled accordingly. As a floppy, the drive is dealt with as hdc or sdc depending on which way it's setup. I'm able to read a zip disk created under windows. It's a big floppy, and has the umsdos filesystem. I still haven't gotten the disk formatted with ext2. I suspect it has to do with the fact that mke2fs wants to see a partition table. I don't have the support compiled for formatting a umsdos filesystem. Iomegaware has a smal program "iw" that's supposed to allow you to make an ext2 fs on the disk, but that isn't working either. Progress, however, is being made! --Skip

Oct. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by John Stoffel

Skip> I'm still stumped. I have a "spare" partition into which I can Skip> install a standard distro, and I dropped back to a Mandrake 8.0 Skip> distro I downloaded a few months ago. The distro is based on the Skip> 2.4.3 kernel. After rebooting into Mandrake, I find I'm still Skip> unable to read or format the Zip drive. I also have a BSD 4.3 CD Skip> here as well, but I think it must be something obvious we are Skip> overlooking. You don't need to drop distributions to use a new kernel, you can just download it and compile it, update /etc/lilo.conf to see the new kernel images and reboot. Skip> The Mandrake passes the Zip drive off to ide-floppy and the CDRW Skip> off to ide-scsi. Skip> What's a body to do? Just stay with ide-floppy for the Zip drive? That should work just fine. Or are you set on having a totally SCSI looking system? It's hard for me to help since I don't have a Zip drive of my own to play with. John x27548

Oct. 9, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Unix Timezone Settings

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hey folks ... meant to answer this question last week, but here is a doc i found at the Sun web site: Hope it helps. -----Original Message----- From: Keith Wright [mailto:kwright@gis.net] Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:25 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Unix Timezone Settings Did anybody answer this? I didn't see it. Just to show cc.noyes that we aren't ignoring em, I guess I'd better answer even though I don't know. > From: "cc.noyes" <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> > > Some Unix's (SCO Unixware for one...) uses a timezone setting in > /etc/TZ. What's the relationship between the timezone setting and the > local time? I assume the timezone is set to the local timezone (in our > case GMT+5 or US/EASTERN), but what about setting the local time? Don't know /etc/TZ. Yes, the timezone is the difference between local civil time and Universal Coordinated Time, abbreviated UTC to please the French, who refused to call it Greenwich Mean Time. What do you mean by setting local time? I have never done anything I would describe that way. > Should I set it to GMT and let the timezone offset make the adjustment > to the correct local time, or do I set the local time to the correct > local time? And if I do that, what's the purpose of the timezone > setting? I can't find where Linux uses a timezone setting. Set local time to GMT? Sounds wrong---what could it mean? Maybe you are talking about the CMOS clock on a ``standard'' ``IBM'' ``PC''. I set that in the BIOS to UTC. The TZ environment variable gives the name of the local timezone for each user, so that if people are logged on from around the world, they all get times displayed in their own local time. I think the default time zone is set in the boot scripts, which vary between distributions. There may also be a default default set when you compile the C library. What?---You don't compile your own C library before you build a kernel? RedHat, at least, asks you questions about where you live when you install the OS Try man date man hwclock man tzset man tzfile http://www.iers.org for more than you want to know. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. --- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Unix Timezone Settings

by Keith Wright

Did anybody answer this? I didn't see it. Just to show cc.noyes that we aren't ignoring em, I guess I'd better answer even though I don't know. > From: "cc.noyes" <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> > > Some Unix's (SCO Unixware for one...) uses a timezone setting in > /etc/TZ. What's the relationship between the timezone setting and the > local time? I assume the timezone is set to the local timezone (in our > case GMT+5 or US/EASTERN), but what about setting the local time? Don't know /etc/TZ. Yes, the timezone is the difference between local civil time and Universal Coordinated Time, abbreviated UTC to please the French, who refused to call it Greenwich Mean Time. What do you mean by setting local time? I have never done anything I would describe that way. > Should I set it to GMT and let the timezone offset make the adjustment > to the correct local time, or do I set the local time to the correct > local time? And if I do that, what's the purpose of the timezone > setting? I can't find where Linux uses a timezone setting. Set local time to GMT? Sounds wrong---what could it mean? Maybe you are talking about the CMOS clock on a ``standard'' ``IBM'' ``PC''. I set that in the BIOS to UTC. The TZ environment variable gives the name of the local timezone for each user, so that if people are logged on from around the world, they all get times displayed in their own local time. I think the default time zone is set in the boot scripts, which vary between distributions. There may also be a default default set when you compile the C library. What?---You don't compile your own C library before you build a kernel? RedHat, at least, asks you questions about where you live when you install the OS Try man date man hwclock man tzset man tzfile http://www.iers.org for more than you want to know. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Oct. 9, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 08 October 2001 02:40 pm, John Stoffel wrote: > Skip> I've tried it both ways. I was thinking of trying to build a > Skip> Linux distro on my Zip drive so I could use the partition for my > Skip> home directory. I can see the drive and fdisk it. When I try to > Skip> do a mke2fs /dev/sdc4 the process hangs up when it tries to > Skip> write out the accounting information. > > I think this might be the kicker here. For 2.4.10 Linus merged in > some changes to move stuff from the block cache to the page cache, > unfortunately not everything was merged properl and there are > problems. > > I'd really suggest you try 2.4.10-acX or 2.4.11-preX where X is the > highest number you can find. Then you should be all set. > Hi John, I'm still stumped. I have a "spare" partition into which I can install a standard distro, and I dropped back to a Mandrake 8.0 distro I downloaded a few months ago. The distro is based on the 2.4.3 kernel. After rebooting into Mandrake, I find I'm still unable to read or format the Zip drive. I also have a BSD 4.3 CD here as well, but I think it must be something obvious we are overlooking. The Mandrake passes the Zip drive off to ide-floppy and the CDRW off to ide-scsi. What's a body to do? --Skip

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 08 October 2001 02:40 pm, John Stoffel wrote: > Skip> I've tried it both ways. I was thinking of trying to build a > Skip> Linux distro on my Zip drive so I could use the partition for my > Skip> home directory. I can see the drive and fdisk it. When I try to > Skip> do a mke2fs /dev/sdc4 the process hangs up when it tries to > Skip> write out the accounting information. > > I think this might be the kicker here. For 2.4.10 Linus merged in > some changes to move stuff from the block cache to the page cache, > unfortunately not everything was merged properl and there are > problems. > > I'd really suggest you try 2.4.10-acX or 2.4.11-preX where X is the > highest number you can find. Then you should be all set. > Hi John, I'm still stumped. I have a "spare" partition into which I can install a standard distro, and I dropped back to a Mandrake 8.0 distro I downloaded a few months ago. The distro is based on the 2.4.3 kernel. After rebooting into Mandrake, I find I'm still unable to read or format the Zip drive. I also have a BSD 4.3 CD here as well, but I think it must be something obvious we are overlooking. The Mandrake passes the Zip drive off to ide-floppy and the CDRW off to ide-scsi. What's a body to do? --Skip

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Mike Peckar

> My question: > What should I do to make sure it hasn't been already cracked? Check out snort at snort.org -- the ultimate CYA tool for intrusion detection... Mike p.s. my company sells subscriptions for a 1U linux rackmount intrusion detection appliance that leverages snorts capabilities. It is an excellent alternative to commercial offering's pricing and delivery models - email me for more info.

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by John Stoffel

Skip> I've tried it both ways. I was thinking of trying to build a Skip> Linux distro on my Zip drive so I could use the partition for my Skip> home directory. I can see the drive and fdisk it. When I try to Skip> do a mke2fs /dev/sdc4 the process hangs up when it tries to Skip> write out the accounting information. I think this might be the kicker here. For 2.4.10 Linus merged in some changes to move stuff from the block cache to the page cache, unfortunately not everything was merged properl and there are problems. I'd really suggest you try 2.4.10-acX or 2.4.11-preX where X is the highest number you can find. Then you should be all set. Also, try the suggestions the other guy made about accessing the Zip via IDE first, and if that works, try the ide-scsi stuff. John

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Message Archive for this list?

by Sands Fish

HAHAHAHA, apparently I did. Thanx. :) - Sands <>< --- Michelle Vadeboncoeur <mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Sands Fish wrote: > > SF> Just wondering if there are any plans to > archive > SF> any of the messages on this list. I know that > there > > In case you missed it: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/ > > >From http://www.wlug.org/ , go to the "WLUG Mailing > List" link in the > navigation bar, then to the "WLUG Archives" link. > > -- > --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur > --==*==-- --==*==-- > mrv(a)kluge.net: > http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

Thanks, John. I didn't know what info would be useful, so I threw in the kitchen sink. I'll answer the questions below. On Monday 08 October 2001 11:24 am, you wrote: > Skip> I upgraded my system to a new MLB and a faster CPU. With the new > Skip> board, I can't read or write to my ZIP drive (under Linux). I > Skip> have a SCSI system, with an Adaptec 78xx controller, an Adaptec > Skip> RW CDROM (also ATAPI), and the ZIP drive. > > Skip> Kernel: 2.4.10 > > I'd probably not use 2.4.10, it's got quite a few problems. Either > 2.4.11-pre[45] or use the 2.4.10-acX kernels, they're more stable at > this point. > > Skip> Under ATAPI, I've checked only use SCSI emulation and under SCSI > Skip> I've checked SCSI CDROM. > > Is it compiled into the kernel or is it modules? I've tried it both ways. I was thinking of trying to build a Linux distro on my Zip drive so I could use the partition for my home directory. I can see the drive and fdisk it. When I try to do a mke2fs /dev/sdc4 the process hangs up when it tries to write out the accounting information. > > Skip> My board has both conventional ATA connectors and PROMISE ATA100 > Skip> connectors. The CDROM is attached to the conventional primary > Skip> controller as master and the ZIP is attached to the secondary > Skip> controller as master. > > What does dmesg say? Does it even see the device? Can you access the > CDROM properly? CDROM is working for playing audio and for reading data. I've installed cdrecord, and I can see the device when I do a scanbus /dev/sr0:1,1,0 so I think it's OK. Here's the current dmesg output: ========================================================= Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx VP_IDE: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 21 VP_IDE: chipset revision 6 VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later VP_IDE: VIA vt82c686b (rev 40) IDE UDMA100 controller on pci00:04.1 ide0: BM-DMA at 0xd800-0xd807, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio ide1: BM-DMA at 0xd808-0xd80f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio PDC20265: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev 88 PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:11.0 PDC20265: chipset revision 2 PDC20265: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later PDC20265: (U)DMA Burst Bit ENABLED Primary PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode. ide2: BM-DMA at 0x8000-0x8007, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio ide3: BM-DMA at 0x8008-0x800f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio hda: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 9100b, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdc: IOMEGA ZIP 100 ATAPI Floppy, ATAPI FLOPPY drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Partition check: hdc:<3>ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0) end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 0 unable to read partition table ========================================================= At this point, I had the media in the drive, but it did not have a valid filesystem on it. More output from dmesg: ====================================================== SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 PCI: Found IRQ 3 for device 00:0a.0 PCI: Sharing IRQ 3 with 00:04.5 scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.1 <Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter> aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs (scsi0:A:0:0): Target Initiated PPR Vendor: COMPAQPC Model: MAG3182MP Rev: 1806 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 (scsi0:A:0): 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit) Vendor: COMPAQ Model: BD009222BB Rev: 3B07 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 (scsi0:A:1): 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit) Vendor: SONY Model: SDT-5000 Rev: 3.30 Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 (scsi0:A:2): 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8) Vendor: HP Model: C5110A Rev: 3638 Type: Processor ANSI SCSI revision: 02 scsi0:0:0:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 253 scsi0:0:1:0: Tagged Queuing enabled. Depth 253 scsi1 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 100 Rev: 14.A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Vendor: HP Model: CD-Writer+ 9100b Rev: 1.06 Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 st: Version 20010812, bufsize 32768, wrt 30720, max init. bufs 4, s/g segs 16 Attached scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0 Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Attached scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 Attached scsi removable disk sdc at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 SCSI device sda: 35566000 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 sda6 > SCSI device sdb: 17773524 512-byte hdwr sectors (9100 MB) sdb: sdb1 sdb2 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8 sdb9 > SCSI device sdc: 196576 512-byte hdwr sectors (101 MB) sdc: Write Protect is off sdc: sdc4 Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi1, channel 0, id 1, lun 0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 Attached scsi generic sg3 at scsi0, channel 0, id 5, lun 0, type 3 ====================================================== The sg3 device is a Scanner.

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Message Archive for this list?

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Sands Fish wrote: SF> Just wondering if there are any plans to archive SF> any of the messages on this list. I know that there In case you missed it: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/

Oct. 8, 2001

Message Archive for this list?

by Sands Fish

Hello all, Just wondering if there are any plans to archive any of the messages on this list. I know that there have been issues discussed before that are long gone that I will run into in the near future. Seems like having an archive of the topics we've helped each other with would be extremely useful. Is the hardware available? I guess this would mainly be directed toward Andy. Any comments? - Sands <>< - SandsFish(a)ArtKillsYuppieBabies.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 10:51:02AM -0400, Skip Gaede wrote: > The drives are being supported as ide-scsi devices. Parameters passed in at > boot time include hda=scsi and hdc=scsi I can't imagine that working! :) The kernel still has to access the drives using IDE. The SCSI emulation is just a hack to make the devices look like SCSI to the user layer. Just start the system normally using the ide support, and make sure you can access your devices with IDE. (Using the ide-cd module. You ARE using modules for everything, right??? :) ) If that works, then unload ide-cd, and install ide-scsi and sr_mod (and whatver dependencies, etc...) You should now be able to access your cdrom drive with sr0, sr1 or whatever. I don't know how it will work for the Zip drive, but the idea should be the same. However, I don't know if you'll be able to support it using SCSI emu without building more kernel modules. I don't think there's any compelling reason to use SCSI emu on it anyway, since you can just use direct IDE ATAPI support for the Zip drive. (I did this many years ago with an ATAPI Zip drive and kernel 2.0 without a hitch.) -Chuck

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by John Stoffel

Skip> I upgraded my system to a new MLB and a faster CPU. With the new Skip> board, I can't read or write to my ZIP drive (under Linux). I Skip> have a SCSI system, with an Adaptec 78xx controller, an Adaptec Skip> RW CDROM (also ATAPI), and the ZIP drive. Skip> Kernel: 2.4.10 I'd probably not use 2.4.10, it's got quite a few problems. Either 2.4.11-pre[45] or use the 2.4.10-acX kernels, they're more stable at this point. Skip> Under ATAPI, I've checked only use SCSI emulation and under SCSI Skip> I've checked SCSI CDROM. Is it compiled into the kernel or is it modules? Skip> My board has both conventional ATA connectors and PROMISE ATA100 Skip> connectors. The CDROM is attached to the conventional primary Skip> controller as master and the ZIP is attached to the secondary Skip> controller as master. What does dmesg say? Does it even see the device? Can you access the CDROM properly? Skip> The drives are being supported as ide-scsi devices. Parameters Skip> passed in at boot time include hda=scsi and hdc=scsi We need more info really. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

Oct. 8, 2001

ATAPI (internal) ZIP drive

by Skip Gaede

I need help! I upgraded my system to a new MLB and a faster CPU. With the new board, I can't read or write to my ZIP drive (under Linux). I have a SCSI system, with an Adaptec 78xx controller, an Adaptec RW CDROM (also ATAPI), and the ZIP drive. Kernel: 2.4.10 Under ATAPI, I've checked only use SCSI emulation and under SCSI I've checked SCSI CDROM. My board has both conventional ATA connectors and PROMISE ATA100 connectors. The CDROM is attached to the conventional primary controller as master and the ZIP is attached to the secondary controller as master. The drives are being supported as ide-scsi devices. Parameters passed in at boot time include hda=scsi and hdc=scsi Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Skip

Oct. 8, 2001

Recycling electronics

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

Just to note, I just found this page from Consumer Reports about sites that'll help you find your nearest steel and electronic-goods recycling center (for all of you with aged equipment and dead VCRs and the like...): http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detail.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=102315&F… -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Email reader...

by William Smith

On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: SCD>Well, as it turns out, the version of KMail that comes with RH 7.1 is SCD>threaded, and very different from the version included with RH 6.2. So far, SCD>a pretty good mailer... Still interested in your recommendations! i've grown attached to Sylpheed. it's available at http://sylpheed.good-day.net/ ... it's certainly worth looking at. (having SAID that, i'm using Pine right now 'cause i'm on a WinDOZE box at home. <sigh>) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Oct. 8, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Tom Guilderson

Marc Hughes wrote: > > It's not my box, so I need to be sensitive of the office politics so > no one says something like, "Well, since we can't secure linux, NO MORE > LINUX" > > h4x0rs? And I guess an even bigger concern is the office politics > things. How do I bring this to the big-wigs in a "good" light? Rather that highlight that you think the box may have been compromised (because if it has it may be too late, but since the box has been running for some time it will likely continue to run for another week or two), the best approach is likely to indicate that it is time to update the software on the box; indicate that there are updated versions of the SMTP and POP servers availabe at no cost to your company. Also mention that there are also some other tools that could be installed to improve security. Don't raise what could be a false alarm by saying that the box is completely unsafe and should be immediately pulled from the network (then all MS Windows IIS boxes should be pulled according to Gartner who has been accused of being in bed with Redmond at times). Since you have more familiarity with Linux than the current maintainer - offer to head up the effort and put together a small project plan including the transition and training of the webmaster (make your life easier later by spending the time now to train the webmaster and put together some simple easy to use documentation)(not knowing your environment that could be as simple as a todo list on a napkin to a detailed plan with impact checklists etc). Rather than highlight the security holes that you know exist - HIGHLIGHT THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU WILL BE MAKING AND THE IMPROVED SECURITY YOU WILL BE PUTTING IN PLACE. Avoid getting overly technical, use simple easy to understand arguments that highlight the benefits of your proposed improvments. Make sure that the "group" taht owns the machine feels you are helping them, and not taking over for them. You need to make sure that they still feel that they are in control. You need to remain calm and show confidence in the previous choice in using Linux and use this as an oppurtunity to show the support the open source community provides with the constant improvements that are made to open source software. Also insure that you get the webmaster checking the CERT advisories for the software exposed (another reason you need good docs with version and basic config of sendmail etc.). Another great thing is that you can show that the company will not have to outlay any cash - since the software is free. They will have the time to update the software - but think about the time to update if you were running exchange on nt? Either way that is a given. Use the opportunity to highlight the benefits of open source, not the dangers of the internet! Best of luck!

Oct. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Email reader...

by Skip Gaede

On Friday 05 October 2001 05:16 pm, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Well, as it turns out, the version of KMail that comes with RH 7.1 is > threaded, and very different from the version included with RH 6.2. So > far, a pretty good mailer... Still interested in your recommendations! The one with KDE 2.2.1 is even better!

Oct. 6, 2001

Re: [Wlug] RedHat Apps CD

by Charles R . Anderson

On Fri, Oct 05, 2001 at 05:54:29PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I'm trying to burn a CD from the RedHat 7.1 distro. However the CD has a subssn594> bunch of hardlinked files that, if the files get copied as duplicates subssn594> instead of hardlinks, makes the CD too big. The mkisofs command generates subssn594> copies. I'm going to try to mount the iso image file and manipulate it subssn594> manually, but I don't know if this is right. You can't mount an ISO image file read/write and manipulate it. Are you building an ISO image from a directory tree full of files, or did you get the ISO file directly from an FTP site? Usually getting the original ISO is the best way to do things, so you get an exact replica of the original CD. If you are copying a physical CD, the best way is just like this: cdrecord -v dev=/dev/sgc speed=4 /dev/scd0 assuming /dev/scd0 contains the source CD and /dev/sgc is the CD writer device. Set the speed to only as fast as the source CD drive is. If you only have one CD-ROM drive, this obviously won't work, so you would need to 'dd' the image to disk first: dd if=/dev/scd0 of=rh71apps.iso then cdrecord that file. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 5, 2001

RedHat Apps CD

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm trying to burn a CD from the RedHat 7.1 distro. However the CD has a bunch of hardlinked files that, if the files get copied as duplicates instead of hardlinks, makes the CD too big. The mkisofs command generates copies. I'm going to try to mount the iso image file and manipulate it manually, but I don't know if this is right. Suggestions? Thanks, Bill

Oct. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Brian J. Conway

> Anyone have a favorite graphical threaded email reader that supports multiple > POPs and/or IMAP? About 6 months ago I stumbled across an awesome GTK+ mail/news reader very similar in look to Netscape Messenger (and far superior to XFMail) called Sylpheed (http://sylpheed.good-day.net/) It'll handle as many accounts as you want, supports threading and image view through gdk-pixbuf, is extremely fast (and decently configurable), and I've never had it crash on me. Some distributions are starting to pick it up now, and it's included in Mandrake 8.1, though I usually compile myself from source. I'd suggest giving it a look if it's an X app you're looking for. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Oct. 5, 2001

Email reader...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Well, as it turns out, the version of KMail that comes with RH 7.1 is threaded, and very different from the version included with RH 6.2. So far, a pretty good mailer... Still interested in your recommendations! -- Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by ccb＠acm.org

If this is a RedHat machine, run rpm -V. Some h4x0rs know how to hack the databases, but it may still catch some nasty stuff. ccb

Oct. 5, 2001

email (was Vunerable Machine)

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Fri, 5 Oct 2001, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: <snip> > Anyone have a favorite graphical threaded email reader that supports multiple > POPs and/or IMAP? > <snip> I'm partial to fetchmail for delivering email from multiple sources to my machine. You can take your pick of the actual reader. I prefer pine, because, although it's not fancy, it does a lot of things right. Bill

Oct. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Stephen C. Daukas

OK - another is a series of product recomendation questions... Anyone have a favorite graphical threaded email reader that supports multiple POPs and/or IMAP? This, of course, excludes Netscape (can't have multiple POPs nor a mix of POP and IMAP accounts). I'm currently using the KDE mail app that comes with RedHat 6.2 (will be upgrading to RH 7.1 in about 10 minutes), but it isn't exactly stellar... You can't do much of anything while it cheks for new mail, and it isn't threaded. Regards, Steve ______________________________ Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Long, Mike

If you can determine that the machine has not been hacked then you could bring up the security holes you found to the big-wigs in the following way. The decision to use Linux was a very good one. Machine X was configured in a way that left it vulnerable to being compromised. However, because it is a Linux box and not a windows box it has not been compromised so far. The techniques for compromising a Linux server are more complex than those used to compromise a windows server. Since the tools for securing a Linux server are much more robust than those used to secure a windows server it will be virtually impossible to compromise the companies network through this server once it has been properly configured. A little spin can go a long way. :) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hughes [mailto:hughesm@tomsnyder.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:53 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 13:40, Keller, Tim wrote: > step 1: Change the root password Done > step 2: Remove all those "holy" services Done > step 3: Install SSH Still have to do ... getting weird library conflicts > step 4: Firewall the machine so that it only accepts SMTP traffic from the > outside world and SSH traffic from a couple of specific addresses TODO > step 5: Use a tool like tripwire to make a snapshot, wait a week, rerun it > again and see if anything changes. > Good, but still, how do I tell if it's already been rooted by 3l33t h4x0rs? And I guess an even bigger concern is the office politics things. How do I bring this to the big-wigs in a "good" light? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 5, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Josh Huber

Marc Hughes <hughesm(a)tomsnyder.com> writes: > To top it all off... this box is an old powerPC... Well, if it was an x86 box, it probably would have already been hacked. 99% of the tools out there are for exploiting buffer overflows on x86 machines. ttyl, -- Josh Huber

Oct. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Marc Hughes

On Fri, 2001-10-05 at 13:40, Keller, Tim wrote: > step 1: Change the root password Done > step 2: Remove all those "holy" services Done > step 3: Install SSH Still have to do ... getting weird library conflicts > step 4: Firewall the machine so that it only accepts SMTP traffic from the > outside world and SSH traffic from a couple of specific addresses TODO > step 5: Use a tool like tripwire to make a snapshot, wait a week, rerun it > again and see if anything changes. > Good, but still, how do I tell if it's already been rooted by 3l33t h4x0rs? And I guess an even bigger concern is the office politics things. How do I bring this to the big-wigs in a "good" light?

Oct. 5, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine

by Keller, Tim

step 1: Change the root password step 2: Remove all those "holy" services step 3: Install SSH step 4: Firewall the machine so that it only accepts SMTP traffic from the outside world and SSH traffic from a couple of specific addresses step 5: Use a tool like tripwire to make a snapshot, wait a week, rerun it again and see if anything changes. just some ideas... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hughes [mailto:hughesm@tomsnyder.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:08 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Vunerable Machine Picture This: You're sitting at your desk on a warm friday morning. You get a call from the webmaster about a linux box, so you head over to help him out. The webmaster is a bright guy, but a microsoft guy. Very little linux experience at all, in fact the box was set up for him by someone no longer in the company. After figuring out what this box does (acts as a sendmail SMTP & pop3 server for bulk newletters... [not spam] ) you realize it has easily guessable passwords, is outside the firewall, and is running at least one vunerable service (an old POP2 daemon) and some questionable services (sun RPC and appletalk). To top it all off... this box is an old powerPC... My question: What should I do to make sure it hasn't been already cracked? Other Problems: I don't have to time to do a reinstall and set it up correctly anytime soon (maybe in a week I could). It needs to continue working like it has for at least another week (we just sent out a newsletter, and it processes remove requests that trickle in) To free up disk space, the logs were regularly deleted... no current logs exist. It's not my box, so I need to be sensitive of the office politics so no one says something like, "Well, since we can't secure linux, NO MORE LINUX" -Marc _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 5, 2001

Vunerable Machine

by Marc Hughes

Picture This: You're sitting at your desk on a warm friday morning. You get a call from the webmaster about a linux box, so you head over to help him out. The webmaster is a bright guy, but a microsoft guy. Very little linux experience at all, in fact the box was set up for him by someone no longer in the company. After figuring out what this box does (acts as a sendmail SMTP & pop3 server for bulk newletters... [not spam] ) you realize it has easily guessable passwords, is outside the firewall, and is running at least one vunerable service (an old POP2 daemon) and some questionable services (sun RPC and appletalk). To top it all off... this box is an old powerPC... My question: What should I do to make sure it hasn't been already cracked? Other Problems: I don't have to time to do a reinstall and set it up correctly anytime soon (maybe in a week I could). It needs to continue working like it has for at least another week (we just sent out a newsletter, and it processes remove requests that trickle in) To free up disk space, the logs were regularly deleted... no current logs exist. It's not my box, so I need to be sensitive of the office politics so no one says something like, "Well, since we can't secure linux, NO MORE LINUX" -Marc

Oct. 5, 2001

Issue with CD's...

by Keller, Tim

Hey All, I was able to make the cds with random linux stuff on them, but my other jobs to make the redhat cds and the debian cds got dropped because legitimate orders had to be run... So if people have the Redhat 7.1 and the Debian cd's bring them along. BTW, I've already scheduled an hour to use the burner to make the 10 copies for Staroffice so I should have them for the wlug meeting. Sorry for the screw up. Tim.

Oct. 4, 2001

Re: [Wlug] StarOffice 6.0beta

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 03 October 2001 07:52 am, you wrote: > Andy, that would be great. > > If people are interested, I could throw it in the bulk copier and bring > 20 copies to the wlug meeting. > > Tim. Sure, why not? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@mediaone.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:12 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] StarOffice 6.0beta > > > > Should I bring a few copies of this to the Install Fest on Thursday? -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 3, 2001

RE: [Wlug] StarOffice 6.0beta

by Keller, Tim

Andy, that would be great. If people are interested, I could throw it in the bulk copier and bring 20 copies to the wlug meeting. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:12 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] StarOffice 6.0beta Should I bring a few copies of this to the Install Fest on Thursday? -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] StarOffice 6.0beta

by Jeffrey Michael Reed

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 20:11, Andy Stewart wrote: > Should I bring a few copies of this to the Install Fest > on Thursday? i would have to say HELL YEAH!!! :) -- ==//> Jeffrey Michael Reed ==//> Metro West Boston Linux User Group ==//> Co-founder/Administrator ==//> HTML, PHP, GNU/Linux ==//> ==//> Phunky Phresh stuff about... ==//> GNU/Linux, Hacking, Humor, ==//> Movies, Music, Programming, ==//> and Underground News about ==//> the Revolution... ==//> ==//> http://www.linuxbusca.com ==//> ==//> Favorite OS: Debian ==//> Favorite food: Lasagna ==//> Favorite brew: Guinness ==//> Favorite music: Mr. Bungle

Oct. 3, 2001

StarOffice 6.0beta

by Andy Stewart

Should I bring a few copies of this to the Install Fest on Thursday? -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 3, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Looking for input for Linux-based Server (Email, etc.)

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 04:52 PM 9/30/2007 -0400, you wrote: >"Stephen C. Daukas" wrote: [snip] >heya steve. > >i'm one of the guys who likes to lurk on the wlug mailing list. > >:) > > >try using postfix...my buddy and i are going to start using it on our >debian servers. it's pure GPL and it seems to work pretty swell! > Jeff - I see you are planning on hitting the Install Fest. If you make it there, I'd like to spend a few minutes talking about postfix, php, etc. Sound OK to you? Steve Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 2, 2001

installfest?

by Jeffrey Michael Reed

hey doodz... oi...andy...i hear you met my other half...he's that whacky spaniard guy named christian...he used to work @ ScreamDesign? :) anyway, what's the dilly with the installfest? is it still on for wednesday night? hope so...that would be SWEET! i would like to attend. i would like to chug grog with fellow gear/penguin/devil heads. give me da heads up!!! peace and GOD BLESS THE FREAKIN' WORLD... terrorism sucks... -- ==//> Jeffrey Michael Reed ==//> Metro West Boston Linux User Group ==//> Co-founder/Administrator ==//> HTML, PHP, GNU/Linux ==//> ==//> Phunky Phresh stuff about... ==//> GNU/Linux, Hacking, Humor, ==//> Movies, Music, Programming, ==//> and Underground News about ==//> the Revolution... ==//> ==//> http://www.linuxbusca.com ==//> ==//> Favorite OS: Debian ==//> Favorite food: Lasagna ==//> Favorite brew: Guinness ==//> Favorite music: Mr. Bungle

Oct. 2, 2001

Re: [Wlug] *nix humor

by Robert L Krawitz

From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:53:08 -0400 The variant which I saw was: # chmod +x /bin/laden Or the slightly less obvious chmod 111 /bin/laden

Oct. 1, 2001

RE: [Wlug] Suggestions on CD drive cleaners?

by Mike

Isopropyl alcohol is common but I doubt the lenses are glass so I would be leery at best. Try a bit of dish detergent on a cotton swab then rinse with clean swabs then dry. Be gentile though, I'm not too sure about the strength of a lens mechanism! (they just don't make thing as they should any more!) Mike LaPointe Truck Driver, Wanna be net admin. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Brian J. Conway > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:00 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Suggestions on CD drive cleaners? > > > My 6X-generation DVD drive has only recently decided that it will no > longer read blue CD-Rs, but still reads pressed CDs and gold CD-Rs just > fine. As the blue CD-Rs are a less reflective surface, I figured the > lense might be a bit dusty and I should try cleaning the thing out (the > CDs themselves are fine). Any suggestions on cleaning such a thing? > Blowing a can of compressed air in the drive opening wasn't too effective. > ;-) > > Brian J. Conway > dogbert(a)clue4all.net > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 1, 2001

Suggestions on CD drive cleaners?

by Brian J. Conway

My 6X-generation DVD drive has only recently decided that it will no longer read blue CD-Rs, but still reads pressed CDs and gold CD-Rs just fine. As the blue CD-Rs are a less reflective surface, I figured the lense might be a bit dusty and I should try cleaning the thing out (the CDs themselves are fine). Any suggestions on cleaning such a thing? Blowing a can of compressed air in the drive opening wasn't too effective. ;-) Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Oct. 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] *nix humor

by Andy Stewart

The variant which I saw was: # chmod +x /bin/laden On Monday 01 October 2001 01:41 pm, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: > thinkgeek already has that on t-shirts. pretty funny. > > --track > > > > From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: [Wlug] *nix humor > >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:31 -0400 (EDT) > > > >Seen on an I495 bumper: > > > > rm -rf /bin/laden > > > >Bill > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] next week's installfest

by Andy Stewart

HI Tim, This sounds really great - thanks! If you can get the KDE 2.2.1 rpms, that might be something to put onthe "others" CD. Andy On Monday 01 October 2001 08:39 am, you wrote: > This is what I plan on bringing. > > 1. 5 sets of Redhat 7.1 > 2. 5 sets of Debian 2.2rev3 > 3. 10 cd's with the following.. > a. latest kernel/modtools (2.4.10) > b. StarOffice > c. latest mozilla benchmark (0.9.4) > > If anybody has some input on what else I should put on the "others" cd, > let me know. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lee Ludwig [mailto:davidl@WPI.EDU] > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:05 AM > To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' > Subject: RE: [Wlug] next week's installfest > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > > What you might want todo is just grab everything; debs, rpms and > > tarballs. > > > > That way, not matter what distribution we load, we'd be able to > > install. > > I was planning on grabbing as much as I can, however each > version of each distribution has a different set of Ximian Gnome > packages that run around 225MB a piece. > > What CDs do people plan on bringing? -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Oct. 1, 2001

Stuff for sale...

by John Stoffel

Hi guys, I've ust bought a new (to me!) system, a dual PIII 550mhz Xeon system with 512mb of ram, graphics and some raid stuff. It's a Dell Precision 610 workstation. Very nice box. It came with a Adaptec ALO-1130U RAIDport PCI card with 16mb of ram. Unfortunately its unusable with Linux. Anyone interested in this card for their Windows server? Drivers are available, and it does work, since it passes the bios boot stuff. I've also got a video board that I want to get rid of, its a paired set of full length boards, one AGP, one PCI hooked together. It's an "Intense3d Wildcat 4000" board, and it's supposed to be a screammer with OpenGL. 64mb of video ram, etc. And of course, no Linux drivers. It does work under Linux as an X display, but since the boards are full size, I've decided to go with my AGP G450 instead. Much smaller. *grin* And it's better supported. So I realize you guys might not be too interested in this stuff, but if you do know of anyone who is looking for stuff like this, please let me know. Right now I'm looking for a good high quality KVM switch with ideally four ports. Something that can talk to a MAC and Sun as well as PCs would be ideal. Willing to trade! I'll also have some other stuff available down the line, like a pair of matched PIII 450mhz processors and possibly a case with possibly broken motherboard to pass on for free. Other odds and ends, send me email if you're looking and I'll see what I can find. John

Oct. 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] *nix humor

by Tim Trachimowicz

thinkgeek already has that on t-shirts. pretty funny. --track >From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: [Wlug] *nix humor >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:52:31 -0400 (EDT) > >Seen on an I495 bumper: > > rm -rf /bin/laden > >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Oct. 1, 2001

*nix humor

by Bill Mills-Curran

Seen on an I495 bumper: rm -rf /bin/laden Bill

Oct. 1, 2001

RE: [Wlug] next week's installfest

by Keller, Tim

This is what I plan on bringing. 1. 5 sets of Redhat 7.1 2. 5 sets of Debian 2.2rev3 3. 10 cd's with the following.. a. latest kernel/modtools (2.4.10) b. StarOffice c. latest mozilla benchmark (0.9.4) If anybody has some input on what else I should put on the "others" cd, let me know. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: David Lee Ludwig [mailto:davidl@WPI.EDU] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 1:05 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] next week's installfest On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Keller, Tim wrote: > What you might want todo is just grab everything; debs, rpms and tarballs. > > That way, not matter what distribution we load, we'd be able to install. I was planning on grabbing as much as I can, however each version of each distribution has a different set of Ximian Gnome packages that run around 225MB a piece. What CDs do people plan on bringing? -- David Ludwig | "The Linux philosophy is laugh in the face of davidl<at>wpi.edu | danger. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself.' http://www.wpi.edu/~davidl | That's it." - Linus Torvalds _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 1, 2001

Unix Timezone Settings

by cc.noyes

Some Unix's (SCO Unixware for one...) uses a timezone setting in /etc/TZ. What's the relationship between the timezone setting and the local time? I assume the timezone is set to the local timezone (in our case GMT+5 or US/EASTERN), but what about setting the local time? Should I set it to GMT and let the timezone offset make the adjustment to the correct local time, or do I set the local time to the correct local time? And if I do that, what's the purpose of the timezone setting? I can't find where Linux uses a timezone setting. Thanks, Chuck

Oct. 1, 2001

Looking for input for Linux-based Server (Email, etc.)

by Stephen C. Daukas

Greetings all! I am about to do away with my hosting provider and plan on migrating services over to my own Linux box. It currently runs RedHat 6.2 and I plan to upgrade this soon (hopefully at the upcoming install fest). I have a static IP with a LinkSys router... I want to run the usual suspects (web, email, etc.) and was wondering what free packages were out there. I'm planning on Apache, DNS, and so on, but my real question is regarding Email... I'd like to be able to easily manage the service. I used to "do sendmail" years ago (including majordomo et. al), and even got a server up and running for a few weeks last year while between ISPs, but sendmail is definitely created for those who "enjoy the trip" instead of just getting to the end results. Does anyone know of an email package that provides for easy config management, user management, SPAM filtering, perhaps a web-based interface for remote access, etc.? Thanks in advance! Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 1, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Install fest with WPILA on Thursday!

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 06:33 PM 9/30/2001 -0400, Our Founder wrote: >Hi everybody, [snip] >I am, however, lacking in RSVPs from prospective installees. If you wish >to have Linux installed on your machine, please send me an e-mail so that >I can handle the logistics. Hi Andy! I am putting together a Linux server for serving up two web sites, email, etc., for my own personal use (tired of paying XO) and hope to build this at the install fest. I also hope to install RedHat onto a Dell Latitude CPx Laptop. The Server already has RedHat 6.2 on it, so I suspect the latest RedHat distro will not be a problem. The Laptop is anyone's guess... But - I realize that there may not be enough room/time for my stuff... Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas stephen(a)daukas.com (508) 845-9809 - Home (508) 845-5015 - Fax (508) 612-2149 - Mobile

Oct. 1, 2001