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Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Charles R. Anderson

Exactly. It isn't worth optimizing every single bit of code for you architecture. The important bits, like the kernel and glibc, are already optimized. If you want particular packages optimized, it is pretty simple to do: rpm --rebuild --target=i686 /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS/foo.src.rpm I usually only bother with audio/video en/decoders, emulators (kegs!), etc. On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 11:09:58AM -0500, Scott Venier wrote: scott> or, you could realize that your machine spends 12/13* of it's time in an scott> idle loop (or seti(a)home/distributed.net which are hand tweaked scott> anyway) waiting on user input and just not bother. And that's not even scott> counting the time that processes spend blocked on system io. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Scott Venier

or, you could realize that your machine spends 12/13* of it's time in an idle loop (or seti(a)home/distributed.net which are hand tweaked anyway) waiting on user input and just not bother. And that's not even counting the time that processes spend blocked on system io. Scott * Yes, I just added up minutes of CPU time in my process list, doubled it for the processes that have gone away, and divided by minutes of uptime. On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I think it would be cool if redhat during the install had an option for > "optimized for your architecture". In choosing this option, It would run > either run a test suite and find the best settings for your machine, or it > would have a bunch of custom configs to choose from like > "586/586MMX/Athlon/686/etc". It would then spend about a day hand compiling > every package for your box and then installing it. > > Yeah it would be hilariously slow, but you'd end up with a really optimized > box. The only danger I could see would be if you find that certain > optimizations corrupted things (like gcc/glibc) etc. > > On a side note, you could have an optimize script that ran post install that > you'd just say something like "optimize --all --no=kernel --mode=586MMX > ftp://jungle.unc.edu/blah/blah/redhat" or /mnt/cdrom and it would go off, > grab the SRPMS and systematically make your machine fully 586MMX optimized, > skipping the kernel. Though I'm thinking you'd probably want some order to > the way it did it. I would think that you'd want to upgrade gcc and glibc > first, since they'll speed things up. > > Just ideas... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 18:54 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:35:26PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > > > pretty hackish way to do things. > > > > Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: > > > > "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." > > Okay, that's not nearly so bad. I still prefer the rpm way, but that's > a reasonable solution as well =) > >

March 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Keller, Tim

I think it would be cool if redhat during the install had an option for "optimized for your architecture". In choosing this option, It would run either run a test suite and find the best settings for your machine, or it would have a bunch of custom configs to choose from like "586/586MMX/Athlon/686/etc". It would then spend about a day hand compiling every package for your box and then installing it. Yeah it would be hilariously slow, but you'd end up with a really optimized box. The only danger I could see would be if you find that certain optimizations corrupted things (like gcc/glibc) etc. On a side note, you could have an optimize script that ran post install that you'd just say something like "optimize --all --no=kernel --mode=586MMX ftp://jungle.unc.edu/blah/blah/redhat" or /mnt/cdrom and it would go off, grab the SRPMS and systematically make your machine fully 586MMX optimized, skipping the kernel. Though I'm thinking you'd probably want some order to the way it did it. I would think that you'd want to upgrade gcc and glibc first, since they'll speed things up. Just ideas... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 18:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:35:26PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > > pretty hackish way to do things. > > Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: > > "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." Okay, that's not nearly so bad. I still prefer the rpm way, but that's a reasonable solution as well =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | When I have a kid, I want to buy one of those strollers for twins. Then put the kid in and run around, looking frantic. -- Stephen Wright _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 11:07:44PM -0500, John Murphy wrote: > I hate to appear dumb but what does this mean to us using Linux, how > would this effect us? I am not familiar with MSN Passport so I not sure > what the effect will be. I'm totally ignorant of the issue, but I'll answer anyway. I think the issue is that Charter passed on Wes's personal information (Name, address, and credit card or other payment info) onto Microsoft, so MS can increase their "enrollment" numbers. (The raw "number of clients" stuff looks really good for stock price, etc...) Although it's probably allowed in Charter's contract terms that no one reads, it's a really mean thing to do. I'm not familiar with the exact manner that passport manages security, (I'm sure it's stellar, given Microsoft's record) but a possibly more important issue is that now his payment info is at most as secure as the NET service itself. If someone manages to intercept an "I forgot my password" email, then they can spend his money at will. Yeah, there are a lot of reasons to not like this. Of course someone who actually uses the damn thing could probably tell us if it would be that easy to obtain his password. Anyone here a passport user? (And willing to admit it?) -Chuck

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by John Murphy

On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote: > Ummm, > To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, > Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. > Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to > get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't > want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved > an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN > PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend > when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up > for passport! > > ?!@#!!!@ > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to > get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about > dsl? > > Wes I hate to appear dumb but what does this mean to us using Linux, how would this effect us? I am not familiar with MSN Passport so I not sure what the effect will be. John "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Wesley Allen

I want speakeasy. But it's $14 bucks out of my range, I'm already stretching it with charter......I do some side work at a webmaster for reimbursments and stuff....I wonder.......hmmmm....... Wes Mike Long wrote: >I have Charter as well but do not recall getting a message welcoming me to >.NET. As a matter of fact I did not realize that they became an MSN parther. >That may be because I automatically delete any email that has HTML in the >body. How do I go about finding out if I have been subscribed... > >If only dsl was available at my address :( > >Mike > > >On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote: > >>Ummm, >> To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, >>Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. >>Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get >>all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want >>.net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an >>e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT >>WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I >>recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for >>passport! >> >>?!@#!!!@ >> >> And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to >>get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about >>dsl? >> >>Wes >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:59:08PM -0500, Scott Venier wrote: > I'll chime in for Speakeasy too. I've got 384/128 and it's great. I > consistantly get ~40KB down and close to 30KB up, 4 static IP addresses, > and amazing reliability. That's pretty amazing -- 128kbit = 16KByte, so getting 30KB up is very good! :) -- Theo, now using a cable modem in the new apartment, waiting for next month when he can finally order SpeakEasy for the place ...

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Scott Venier

I'll chime in for Speakeasy too. I've got 384/128 and it's great. I consistantly get ~40KB down and close to 30KB up, 4 static IP addresses, and amazing reliability. Scott

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Mike Long

I have Charter as well but do not recall getting a message welcoming me to .NET. As a matter of fact I did not realize that they became an MSN parther. That may be because I automatically delete any email that has HTML in the body. How do I go about finding out if I have been subscribed... If only dsl was available at my address :( Mike On Monday 18 March 2002 20:14, you wrote: > Ummm, > To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, > Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. > Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get > all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want > .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an > e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT > WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I > recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for > passport! > > ?!@#!!!@ > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to > get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about > dsl? > > Wes > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Phillip G Deneault

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:33:16PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to > > > Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's > > > everyone feel about dsl? > > > > SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search > > the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a > > company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, > > extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =) > > Ditto. Decent pricing, full bandwidth, rock solid reliability, great online > interface. The only complaint I have about speakeasy is that I couldn't > afford them sooner =) > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 I'll agree. My 384K SDSL is unbeatable. Plenty of packages to choose from too.... Getting the picture yet? :-) Phil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the OpenVMS Guy maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 08:33:16PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to > > Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's > > everyone feel about dsl? > > SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search > the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a > company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, > extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =) Ditto. Decent pricing, full bandwidth, rock solid reliability, great online interface. The only complaint I have about speakeasy is that I couldn't afford them sooner =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Sam: What's going on, Normie? Norm: My birthday, Sammy. Give me a beer, stick a candle in it, and I'll blow out my liver. -- Cheers, Where Have All the Floorboards Gone

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mandrake 8.2

by Brian J. Conway

> Has anyone tried this latest release yet? Does anyone know of a local > mirror for the ISO? Thanks! =) I just finished installing it on my laptop and getting everything up to speed after grabbing the ISOs and I can say that it is very, very slick. Someone else could probably give a better review, as I don't use KDE, Gnome, or the GUI configuration tools (WindowMaker and a lot of terminals for me). The only things I've run across so far is that a.) the AbiWord/AbiSuite package seems to have disappeared, though it might just be me missing it and b.) the vanilla kernel sources don't yet have DRI drivers for X 4.2.0, but the included kernel works fine with it. -b

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Wesley Allen

Every time I try to get out they KEEP pulling me BACK IN.....arrrghhhhh! On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 21:16, Clint Moyer wrote: > Would you expect otherwise from a company owned by the the > co-founder of Microsoft and it's 2nd largest shareholder? > > > > On 18 Mar 2002 20:14:14 -0500 > Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: > >Ummm, > > To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. > > In the fall, > >Charter announced that they were beginning a > >"partnership" with MSN. > >Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would > >be trying to get > >all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, > >I don't want > >.net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and > >recieved an > >e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR > >A MSN PASSPORT > >WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this > >weekend when I > >recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to > >sign-up for > >passport! > > > >?!@#!!!@ > > > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote > >to Charter to > >get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's > >everyone feel about > >dsl? > > > >Wes > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Clint Moyer

Would you expect otherwise from a company owned by the the co-founder of Microsoft and it's 2nd largest shareholder? On 18 Mar 2002 20:14:14 -0500 Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: >Ummm, > To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. > In the fall, >Charter announced that they were beginning a >"partnership" with MSN. >Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would >be trying to get >all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, >I don't want >.net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and >recieved an >e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR >A MSN PASSPORT >WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this >weekend when I >recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to >sign-up for >passport! > >?!@#!!!@ > > And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote >to Charter to >get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's >everyone feel about >dsl? > >Wes > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Brian J. Conway

> And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to > Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's > everyone feel about dsl? SpeakEasy.net is the _only_ way to go with DSL, and I'm sure if you search the WLUG mail archives you'll come up with a dozen mentions of it (a company with a clue, real services like static IPs, encouraging servers, extremely reliable service, and so on). I'll leave it at that. =) Brian J. Conway bconway(a)wpi.edu "I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself. I just think that they make really crappy operating systems." - Linus Torvalds

March 19, 2002

Charter and MSN....

by Wesley Allen

Ummm, To say that I was pissed off would be putting it mildly. In the fall, Charter announced that they were beginning a "partnership" with MSN. Fine; but I realized that this meant that Charter would be trying to get all their subscribers on to .net. I don't want passport, I don't want .net. I wrote to Charter, calmly voicing my concerns and recieved an e-mail that NO CHARTER SUBSCRIBER WOULD BE SIGNED UP FOR A MSN PASSPORT WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT. Well, imagine my surprise this weekend when I recived a "congratulations" message for "deciding" to sign-up for passport! ?!@#!!!@ And who did it to me? Charter Communications....I wrote to Charter to get me out of passport ASAP. If they refuse, how's everyone feel about dsl? Wes

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] fyi - slightly OT

by Wesley Allen

"boogie"? On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 17:16, jeff wrote: > man, times are tough...money's hard... > > was wondering if any o' you cats know anyone who's hiring. > > i'm you're all purpose desktop support guy...and yes, i > really do like helping end users. > > mad skillz: installing (name it), some dns, some email, > html, javascript, php...blah blah > > you guys have always been cool and will continue to be > > i've been out of a job and bummed for like 3 months > now...no keyboards or call tickets or programming or > teaching or linux classes or anything for me :-( > > except what i boogie with at home! :-) > > thanks much > > -jeff > debian freak > lover of the RUBY language > tech instructor (part-time...and i mean VERY part-time) > very stressed/burnt out tecchie who just wants to have fun > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:35:26PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > > pretty hackish way to do things. > > Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: > > "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." Okay, that's not nearly so bad. I still prefer the rpm way, but that's a reasonable solution as well =) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | When I have a kid, I want to buy one of those strollers for twins. Then put the kid in and run around, looking frantic. -- Stephen Wright

March 18, 2002

Mandrake 8.2

by Tim Trachimowicz

Has anyone tried this latest release yet? Does anyone know of a local mirror for the ISO? Thanks! =) --Track

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerPC board

by Josh Huber

"Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Not sure, but isn't Linux already ported to PowerPC? Well, yeah...but porting to a new board is still a lot of work ;) ttyl, -- Josh Huber

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: PPC board

by Josh Huber

Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Are you looking for a PowerPC workstation or a PowerPC embedded > computer? try http:\\www.linuxdevices.com good luck. Well, there are a bunch of other places to look if you want to play with smaller embedded-style systems. This is a great board (from what I've heard): http://www.denx.de/embedded-ppc-en.html And man are they bad-ass looking...PPCBoot (http://ppcboot.sf.net/) runs on these boards, and Linux runs on them already, so perhaps it's not the best board for a porting experience... If you want some real fun, get some cicso router that has a powerpc -- I'm not sure of anyone who's got that working quite yet. Honestly though, porting to a new board without a hardware debugger (like the BDI2000: http://www.abatron.ch/BDI/bdihw.html) will be a lot more work. Unfortunately this will push the cost of the setup over the hobbyist level. The BDI2000 is especially nice since it has support for walking the Linux software page tables, and with the bdiGDB firmware allows remote hardware debugger with GDB from a linux client -- very nice! > Where is PPC guru huberj? hah! -- Josh Huber

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Josh Huber

Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > pretty hackish way to do things. Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." But yeah, it's still somewhat of a hack, but just installing the package does not change it for ALL builds. Actually, the name of this package is somewhat wrong, in that you can use it to switch optimization settings for other systems (i.e. for any of the 11 supported architectures)... -- Josh Huber

March 18, 2002

fyi - slightly OT

by jeff

man, times are tough...money's hard... was wondering if any o' you cats know anyone who's hiring. i'm you're all purpose desktop support guy...and yes, i really do like helping end users. mad skillz: installing (name it), some dns, some email, html, javascript, php...blah blah you guys have always been cool and will continue to be i've been out of a job and bummed for like 3 months now...no keyboards or call tickets or programming or teaching or linux classes or anything for me :-( except what i boogie with at home! :-) thanks much -jeff debian freak lover of the RUBY language tech instructor (part-time...and i mean VERY part-time) very stressed/burnt out tecchie who just wants to have fun

March 18, 2002

my dhcp preference (offtopic from Re: dchp timeout)

by Adam ＠ Oak

My personal favorite is dhcpcd, since it is the most straightforward to compile. Building it against uClibc statically gets it down into the 33k range! Perfect for my standalone linux boot/install disks :). -Adam > Just for reference, Mandrake includes dhcpcd (my preference), dhclient, > and pump, and leaves it up to the user to figure out which works best for > them. > > -b > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] openoffice spellcheck

by Wesley Allen

Y'know, I rarely inhabit irc, but every time I do I get stuff answered. Thanks for the reminder... Wes On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 15:08, Chuck Haines wrote: > I highly recommend checking out irc.opennetworks.com, mostly the > #linuxhelp and #linpeople channels. They have been able to solve all of > my problems. > > On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 13:09, Wesley Allen wrote: > > Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has used openoffice and > > had problems with it's spellcheck. It's gotten a bit > > better, but still doesn't recognize contractions. I've > > been trying to find info on their site, but man is that > > project a beast! You can't find anything and their > > "issuezilla" is a pain in the rear for quick searches. > > This is one area where Kword really seems to "work" > > better, even if I have to add a bunch of words to the > > dictionary...Any reflections/work-arounds? I'm always > > trying to get people to not shell-out the $$$ for MS > > Office, and OpenOffice/StarOffice is a really great > > alternative at this point. I can't wait for Koffice to > > get there as well (I just wish I could contribute). > > > > Wes > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- > --------------------------------------------- > | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | > | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | > | WPI Class of 2005 | MSN: CyberGrex | > | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | > --------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] openoffice spellcheck

by Chuck Haines

I highly recommend checking out irc.opennetworks.com, mostly the #linuxhelp and #linpeople channels. They have been able to solve all of my problems. On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 13:09, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has used openoffice and > had problems with it's spellcheck. It's gotten a bit > better, but still doesn't recognize contractions. I've > been trying to find info on their site, but man is that > project a beast! You can't find anything and their > "issuezilla" is a pain in the rear for quick searches. > This is one area where Kword really seems to "work" > better, even if I have to add a bunch of words to the > dictionary...Any reflections/work-arounds? I'm always > trying to get people to not shell-out the $$$ for MS > Office, and OpenOffice/StarOffice is a really great > alternative at this point. I can't wait for Koffice to > get there as well (I just wish I could contribute). > > Wes > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- --------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPI Class of 2005 | MSN: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | ---------------------------------------------

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: PPC board

by Jeremy

i've been running linux on my PowerMac 7500 for years. As for embedded PPC or development PPC boards there are several to COTS (consumer of the shelf) to choose from. Boils down to what speed, power (electrical), and onboard options you want (i.e. sound, 4 serial ports, ethernet etc), bus type - SBC, pci, pc104, vme. check out http://www.cotsjournalonline.com bewarned - not for hobbyists prices... more like the military. Hobbyists can best look at old PowerPC computers or less powerful powerpc embedded boards from motorola/ibm. Are you looking for a PowerPC workstation or a PowerPC embedded computer? try http:\\www.linuxdevices.com good luck. Where is PPC guru huberj? -jeremy --- Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes, Linux is already ported to PowerPC. I am > interested in doing the same port for my benefit. > > Norm > > --- wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > > visit > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > > 'help' to > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > > is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. PowerPC board (Norm Legare) > > 2. Re: PowerPC board (Charles R. Anderson) > > 3. dchp timeout (Wesley Allen) > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:38:04 -0800 (PST) > > From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] PowerPC board > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know where to obtain PowerPC-type > > development boards. Preferably at hobbyist > > prices. I am interested in porting Linux to > > it. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Norm > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:42:01 -0500 > > From: "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] PowerPC board > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > Not sure, but isn't Linux already ported to PowerPC? > > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 05:38:04PM -0800, Norm > > Legare wrote: > > normlegare> I am interested in porting Linux to it. > > > > -- > > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > > A0F9 49BB 5886 > > > > --__--__-- > > > > Message: 3 > > From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:52 -0500 > > Subject: [Wlug] dchp timeout > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is > > VERY > > long. I'm trying some documentation about how to > > change > > the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere > > in the > > init files? > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Wes > > > > > > --__--__-- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > End of Wlug > > > Digest_______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] dchp timeout

by Brian J. Conway

> what util does mandrake use for dhcp ? > slackware uses dhcpcd, and its trivial to > specify timeout with it ... > dhcpcd -t 10 Just for reference, Mandrake includes dhcpcd (my preference), dhclient, and pump, and leaves it up to the user to figure out which works best for them. -b

March 18, 2002

Re: PPC board

by Norm Legare

Yes, Linux is already ported to PowerPC. I am interested in doing the same port for my benefit. Norm --- wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PowerPC board (Norm Legare) > 2. Re: PowerPC board (Charles R. Anderson) > 3. dchp timeout (Wesley Allen) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 17:38:04 -0800 (PST) > From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] PowerPC board > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Hello, > > Does anyone know where to obtain PowerPC-type > development boards. Preferably at hobbyist > prices. I am interested in porting Linux to > it. > > Thanks in advance, > Norm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage > http://sports.yahoo.com/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:42:01 -0500 > From: "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] PowerPC board > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Not sure, but isn't Linux already ported to PowerPC? > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 05:38:04PM -0800, Norm > Legare wrote: > normlegare> I am interested in porting Linux to it. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / > http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 > A0F9 49BB 5886 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:52 -0500 > Subject: [Wlug] dchp timeout > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is > VERY > long. I'm trying some documentation about how to > change > the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere > in the > init files? > > Thanks for any help. > Wes > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug > Digest_______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] dchp timeout

by Michael Frysinger

what util does mandrake use for dhcp ? slackware uses dhcpcd, and its trivial to specify timeout with it ... dhcpcd -t 10 -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 09:55 Subject: [Wlug] dchp timeout > Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is VERY > long. I'm trying some documentation about how to change > the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere in the > init files? > > Thanks for any help. > Wes > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 18, 2002

openoffice spellcheck

by Wesley Allen

Hi, I was wondering if anyone else has used openoffice and had problems with it's spellcheck. It's gotten a bit better, but still doesn't recognize contractions. I've been trying to find info on their site, but man is that project a beast! You can't find anything and their "issuezilla" is a pain in the rear for quick searches. This is one area where Kword really seems to "work" better, even if I have to add a bunch of words to the dictionary...Any reflections/work-arounds? I'm always trying to get people to not shell-out the $$$ for MS Office, and OpenOffice/StarOffice is a really great alternative at this point. I can't wait for Koffice to get there as well (I just wish I could contribute). Wes

March 18, 2002

dchp timeout

by Wesley Allen

Hi all, the Mandrake default for the dhcp timeout is VERY long. I'm trying some documentation about how to change the default. Which file is it keep in. somewhere in the init files? Thanks for any help. Wes

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerPC board

by Charles R. Anderson

Not sure, but isn't Linux already ported to PowerPC? On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 05:38:04PM -0800, Norm Legare wrote: normlegare> I am interested in porting Linux to it. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 18, 2002

PowerPC board

by Norm Legare

Hello, Does anyone know where to obtain PowerPC-type development boards. Preferably at hobbyist prices. I am interested in porting Linux to it. Thanks in advance, Norm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

March 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Gregory Avedissian

On Friday 15 March 2002 14:07, you wrote: > Sure, try using /opt/mozilla/plugins and repeating the procedure as > root. It appears that your version of mozilla is using a different > plugin directory, so perhaps that is why $HOME/.mozilla/plugins didn't > work. > > What version of mozilla are you using? I used 0.9.9. > > -- I'm using 0.8.1. I guess I better update. Greg

March 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer server on router(solution)

by Baris Hasdemir

I used this lpd://192.168.254.254/LPT1 the only trick is to find out the queue name which is not mentioned in the user's manual of speedstream. Siemens says their router IS compatible with unix however they do not support it. So I had to guess for it. Going after doug's example I tried couple of queue names like L1, queue, lp0, etc... could not succeed. I thought of examining the port driver software for dos. In the properties window of the port driver I saw that it is somehow using lpt1 port. then I realized that lpt1 should be the name of the printer port on the router. So tried to use LPT1 as the name of the queue. and it worked. thanks to all help! baris On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:04:05 -0500 Baris Hasdemir <tekir99(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > hi all, > > I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a > printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). > Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. > > what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? > > device options on cups: > -------------------------- > AppSocket/HP JetDirect > Internet Printing Protocol(http) > Internet Printing Protocol(ipp) > LPD/LPR Host or Printer > Parallel Port > Serial Port#1 to #32 > > device url options ise sunlar: > ---------------------------------- > Examples: > > file:/path/to/filename.prn > http://hostname:631/ipp/ > http://hostname:631/ipp/port1 > ipp://hostname/ipp/ > ipp://hostname/ipp/port1 > lpd://hostname/queue > socket://hostname > socket://hostname:9100 > > a port scan on the router produces > Port State Service > 80/tcp open http > 88/tcp open kerberos-sec > 515/tcp open printer > > any help perfectly welcome > > thanks, > baris

March 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer server on router

by Brad Noyes

Hi, there's a error_log, and access_log, (probably in /var/log/cups/). That might lead to a solution. If you want to get more info out of the logs you can change the vebosity in cups.conf. When i configured cups, i just used the web interface, and that worked very well, perhaps that might be worth looking at (http://printer_server:631/) On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 04:53:39PM -0500, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > thanks for the reply. yes router has a printer port on it. I just > compiled kups, selected socket, and did a network > scan(192.168.254.0-192.168.254.255 on port 515). kups did find one on > 192.168.254.254 which is the router. then I selected the printer > configuration. > > But still does not print a test page? any ideas? > > baris > > On 15 Mar 2002 15:12:29 -0500 > Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: > > > Well, that's a good question. It's a router with a printer port, or a > > networked printer "naturally"). > > > > Either way, cups should be able to see any printer on the the network. > > I'm thinking that printing directly to a network socket would work, at > > least tha't what I did with networked printers where I used to work. > > My sugguestion is this, and I know is a total cop-out, get KUPS and do > > a network scan to look for printers. If it's on the network. Cups > > should be seeing it. > > > > Wes > > > > On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 15:04, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > > > I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a > > > printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). > > > Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. > > > > > > what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? > > > > > > device options on cups: > > > -------------------------- > > > AppSocket/HP JetDirect > > > Internet Printing Protocol(http) > > > Internet Printing Protocol(ipp) > > > LPD/LPR Host or Printer > > > Parallel Port > > > Serial Port#1 to #32 > > > > > > device url options ise sunlar: > > > ---------------------------------- > > > Examples: > > > > > > file:/path/to/filename.prn > > > http://hostname:631/ipp/ > > > http://hostname:631/ipp/port1 > > > ipp://hostname/ipp/ > > > ipp://hostname/ipp/port1 > > > lpd://hostname/queue > > > socket://hostname > > > socket://hostname:9100 > > > > > > a port scan on the router produces > > > Port State Service > > > 80/tcp open http > > > 88/tcp open kerberos-sec > > > 515/tcp open printer > > > > > > any help perfectly welcome > > > > > > thanks, > > > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer server on router

by doug waud

Hi Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a > printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). > Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. > > what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? I have a laserjet IIP connected to the first port/queue "L1" of a standalone Linksys printserver (Model EPSX3). In my /etc/hosts file I have a line 192.168.7.55 printserver.localdomain printserver In my /etc/cups/printers.conf file I have </Printer> <DefaultPrinter lp> Info lj2p Location DeviceURI lpd://printserver/L1 State Idle Accepting Yes JobSheets </Printer> In that fifth line, printserver refers to that dotted quad defined in /etc/hosts. The lpd: would appear to me to tell you what cups likes to see. I suspect you should then be able to replace the //printserver by the equivalent for your router. (That L1 is just how that linksys box distinguishes the first printer queue from the other two.) doug

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Scott Venier

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Aaron Haviland wrote: > on another note, i've compiled povray for k6 and pentium and timed them, aka > "time ./povray" > > running on a k6 machine, the k6 optimised one consistently runs 1 second > faster overall (33 seconds total) but the pentium optimised one has a .1 > second lower sys time. which is better? (i don't have the output anymore. > just thought i'd ask while on the topic of optimising) (yes, i read the time > manpage. just doesn't seem to sink in through this thick skull :) ) > Well, as I keep reminding my co-workers "The only measurement of performace that counts is wall time." So I would say the 1 second faster overall is better. Scott

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer server on router

by Baris Hasdemir

thanks for the reply. yes router has a printer port on it. I just compiled kups, selected socket, and did a network scan(192.168.254.0-192.168.254.255 on port 515). kups did find one on 192.168.254.254 which is the router. then I selected the printer configuration. But still does not print a test page? any ideas? baris On 15 Mar 2002 15:12:29 -0500 Wesley Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: > Well, that's a good question. It's a router with a printer port, or a > networked printer "naturally"). > > Either way, cups should be able to see any printer on the the network. > I'm thinking that printing directly to a network socket would work, at > least tha't what I did with networked printers where I used to work. > My sugguestion is this, and I know is a total cop-out, get KUPS and do > a network scan to look for printers. If it's on the network. Cups > should be seeing it. > > Wes > > On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 15:04, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > hi all, > > > > I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a > > printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). > > Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. > > > > what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? > > > > device options on cups: > > -------------------------- > > AppSocket/HP JetDirect > > Internet Printing Protocol(http) > > Internet Printing Protocol(ipp) > > LPD/LPR Host or Printer > > Parallel Port > > Serial Port#1 to #32 > > > > device url options ise sunlar: > > ---------------------------------- > > Examples: > > > > file:/path/to/filename.prn > > http://hostname:631/ipp/ > > http://hostname:631/ipp/port1 > > ipp://hostname/ipp/ > > ipp://hostname/ipp/port1 > > lpd://hostname/queue > > socket://hostname > > socket://hostname:9100 > > > > a port scan on the router produces > > Port State Service > > 80/tcp open http > > 88/tcp open kerberos-sec > > 515/tcp open printer > > > > any help perfectly welcome > > > > thanks, > > baris

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer server on router

by Wesley Allen

Well, that's a good question. It's a router with a printer port, or a networked printer "naturally"). Either way, cups should be able to see any printer on the the network. I'm thinking that printing directly to a network socket would work, at least tha't what I did with networked printers where I used to work. My sugguestion is this, and I know is a total cop-out, get KUPS and do a network scan to look for printers. If it's on the network. Cups should be seeing it. Wes On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 15:04, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > hi all, > > I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a > printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). > Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. > > what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? > > device options on cups: > -------------------------- > AppSocket/HP JetDirect > Internet Printing Protocol(http) > Internet Printing Protocol(ipp) > LPD/LPR Host or Printer > Parallel Port > Serial Port#1 to #32 > > device url options ise sunlar: > ---------------------------------- > Examples: > > file:/path/to/filename.prn > http://hostname:631/ipp/ > http://hostname:631/ipp/port1 > ipp://hostname/ipp/ > ipp://hostname/ipp/port1 > lpd://hostname/queue > socket://hostname > socket://hostname:9100 > > a port scan on the router produces > Port State Service > 80/tcp open http > 88/tcp open kerberos-sec > 515/tcp open printer > > any help perfectly welcome > > thanks, > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 15, 2002

printer server on router

by Baris Hasdemir

hi all, I am trying to configure cups 1.1.14 on slackware 8 to print on a printer connected to the router(siemens speedstream 2614). Unfortunately, I couldn't manage to print even a garbage. what should I use? ipp:// or socket:// or lpd:// or what? and how? device options on cups: -------------------------- AppSocket/HP JetDirect Internet Printing Protocol(http) Internet Printing Protocol(ipp) LPD/LPR Host or Printer Parallel Port Serial Port#1 to #32 device url options ise sunlar: ---------------------------------- Examples: file:/path/to/filename.prn http://hostname:631/ipp/ http://hostname:631/ipp/port1 ipp://hostname/ipp/ ipp://hostname/ipp/port1 lpd://hostname/queue socket://hostname socket://hostname:9100 a port scan on the router produces Port State Service 80/tcp open http 88/tcp open kerberos-sec 515/tcp open printer any help perfectly welcome thanks, baris

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:08:46PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: avedis> Would it make sense to repeat Charles' procedure under /opt/mozilla/plugins? avedis> There aren't any jre* files there or under /root/.mozilla, and not even a avedis> plugins directory in the latter. I'm guessing that the files downloaded but avedis> didn't install. Sure, try using /opt/mozilla/plugins and repeating the procedure as root. It appears that your version of mozilla is using a different plugin directory, so perhaps that is why $HOME/.mozilla/plugins didn't work. What version of mozilla are you using? I used 0.9.9. -- Charles R. Anderson cra(a)wpi.edu Network Engineer (508) 831-6110 Computing and Communications Center (508) 831-5115 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fax (508) 831-5483

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Gregory Avedissian

Still no luck. I tried installing as root, first by logging as su and calling up mozilla from command line, and then again (when that didn't work) by backing out of X and starting over as root, calling mozilla from the menu. I've tried running SuSEconfig and tried re-booting, but it doesn't make a difference. I'm not even sure if I really downloaded the file with the browser - both times I did it, I walked away while it was downloading, and when I came back, the browser was gone. Let me take that back - I have four copies of jre131i.xpi in /tmp. Would it make sense to repeat Charles' procedure under /opt/mozilla/plugins? There aren't any jre* files there or under /root/.mozilla, and not even a plugins directory in the latter. I'm guessing that the files downloaded but didn't install. Thanks. Greg On Friday 15 March 2002 08:16, you wrote: > The solution to this is to start mozilla as root, have it download and > install the plugin, close the browser and then start it up as a normal user > and presto java works. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@ma.ultranet.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 17:39 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Mozilla > > > > When I got home last night, I tried Mozilla again, and now I remember why I > stopped using it. I had trouble trying to download the java plugin when I > wanted to get into a chat room. > > After another failed attempt to download it with the browser, I tried gftp > and got the file, jre131i.xpi but I have no idea what do do with it. There > weren't any readme files nearby at the ftp site. Any ideas or suggestions > are > welcome. Thanks. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Gregory Avedissian

Still no luck. I tried installing as root, first by logging as su and calling up mozilla from command line, and then again (when that didn't work) by backing out of X and starting over as root, calling mozilla from the menu. I've tried running SuSEconfig and tried re-booting, but it doesn't make a difference. I'm not even sure if I really downloaded the file with the browser - both times I did it, I walked away while it was downloading, and when I came back, the browser was gone. Let me take that back - I have four copies of jre131i.xpi in /tmp. Would it make sense to repeat Charles' procedure under /opt/mozilla/plugins? There aren't any jre* files there or under /root/.mozilla, and not even a plugins directory in the latter. I'm guessing that the files downloaded but didn't install. Thanks. Greg On Friday 15 March 2002 08:16, you wrote: > The solution to this is to start mozilla as root, have it download and > install the plugin, close the browser and then start it up as a normal user > and presto java works. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@ma.ultranet.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 17:39 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Mozilla > > > > When I got home last night, I tried Mozilla again, and now I remember why I > stopped using it. I had trouble trying to download the java plugin when I > wanted to get into a chat room. > > After another failed attempt to download it with the browser, I tried gftp > and got the file, jre131i.xpi but I have no idea what do do with it. There > weren't any readme files nearby at the ftp site. Any ideas or suggestions > are > welcome. Thanks. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 15, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Keller, Tim

The solution to this is to start mozilla as root, have it download and install the plugin, close the browser and then start it up as a normal user and presto java works. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@ma.ultranet.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 17:39 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Mozilla When I got home last night, I tried Mozilla again, and now I remember why I stopped using it. I had trouble trying to download the java plugin when I wanted to get into a chat room. After another failed attempt to download it with the browser, I tried gftp and got the file, jre131i.xpi but I have no idea what do do with it. There weren't any readme files nearby at the ftp site. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Greg _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Gregory Avedissian

Charles, Thanks for the reply. I tried this with the file I downloaded and that didn't work, so then I went back and got the same file you got, and it still didn't work. Not sure why - it all seemed to install ok. But I still get that damned box coming up. Greg On Thursday 14 March 2002 18:14, you wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:51:48PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > cra> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > > Nope. I just went and tried it myself. I couln't get the darn > automatic installation to work, so I did this: > > #!/bin/sh > # Download the jre.xpi > cd $HOME > wget --passive-ftp > ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.2.1/unix/linux22/xpi/jre.xpi > > # Go to your mozilla plugin directory > cd $HOME/.mozilla/plugins > > # Make a java2 subdirectory and go into it > mkdir java2 > cd java2 > > # Unzip the xpi file here (yes, it is a ZIP file) > unzip $HOME/jre.xpi > > # Move the contents of jre-image-i386 up one directory > # and remove the istaller junk that doesn't work > mv jre-image-i386/* . > rm -rf symlink.sh install.js jre-image-i386 > > # Make a symlink in the plugin dir to the actual plugin binary > cd .. > ln -s java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . > > > It seems to work. No more annoying "download the plugin" dialog boxes. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 15, 2002

Job opportunity

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I used to post this type of thing on the WWWBoard part of our website, but that part of the website no longer functions. Please delete if uninterested in a possible job opportunity. I received e-mail from a guy looking for somebody with perl, html, linux (specifically redhat), and apache experience for website development (similar to LLBean's website). If you are interested, contact me directly and I'll forward to you the contact info. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] pop3 server?

by John Stoffel

David> I'm trying to pick a pop3 server, however I am having a tough David> time doing such. A few notes: David> * The pop3 server will, for the time being, mount all maildirs David> via NFS. Similarly, all passwords are retrieved via NIS+. This is just asking for trouble. Mail over NFS is a pain to get right. And do you *really* want the horror of NIS+ on your hands? I keep seeing a job announcement for Bermuda where one of the projects is to migrate from NIS+ to NIS. I feel that LDAP is the way to go in the future, but it's not quite there yet. John

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] docs / latex /?

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 14 March 2002 08:26 am, you wrote: > I need to generate some documents that look decent on the web and also > print well. Some of the documents are forms for people to fill in, > and, for the most part, the people are pretty unsophisticated. They > may even just print the form and fill it in by hand. Would you consider writing the document in DocBook? From that, you can generate HTML, PS, PDF, and perhaps more. I wrote the gimp-print users' guide this way. I've also used LyX and like it, too. It has tons of documentation that comes with the software. -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:51:48PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: cra> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins Nope. I just went and tried it myself. I couln't get the darn automatic installation to work, so I did this: #!/bin/sh # Download the jre.xpi cd $HOME wget --passive-ftp ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.2.1/unix/linux22/xpi/jre.xpi # Go to your mozilla plugin directory cd $HOME/.mozilla/plugins # Make a java2 subdirectory and go into it mkdir java2 cd java2 # Unzip the xpi file here (yes, it is a ZIP file) unzip $HOME/jre.xpi # Move the contents of jre-image-i386 up one directory # and remove the istaller junk that doesn't work mv jre-image-i386/* . rm -rf symlink.sh install.js jre-image-i386 # Make a symlink in the plugin dir to the actual plugin binary cd .. ln -s java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so . It seems to work. No more annoying "download the plugin" dialog boxes. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mozilla

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 05:38:59PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: avedis> avedis> When I got home last night, I tried Mozilla again, and now I remember why I avedis> stopped using it. I had trouble trying to download the java plugin when I avedis> wanted to get into a chat room. Heh. I remember having the same problem, but I just decided to never use java on the web. avedis> After another failed attempt to download it with the browser, I tried gftp avedis> and got the file, jre131i.xpi but I have no idea what do do with it. There avedis> weren't any readme files nearby at the ftp site. Any ideas or suggestions are avedis> welcome. Thanks. I believe it goes in the plugin directory, which is: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or $HOME/.mozilla/plugins depending whether you want it systemwide or not. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 14, 2002

Mozilla

by Gregory Avedissian

When I got home last night, I tried Mozilla again, and now I remember why I stopped using it. I had trouble trying to download the java plugin when I wanted to get into a chat room. After another failed attempt to download it with the browser, I tried gftp and got the file, jre131i.xpi but I have no idea what do do with it. There weren't any readme files nearby at the ftp site. Any ideas or suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Greg

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] docs / latex /?

by doug waud

Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > (It would be very cool if I could produce the > pdf "fill in the blanks" document.) That step is what dvipdfm is for http://gaspra.kettering.edu/dvipdfm/ (try dvi to pdf in google to get more stuff) You may also want to look at latex to html converters, for example http://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/nikos/tex2html/doc/latex2html/latex2html.html (again, try google, this time with html latex as bait.) doug

March 14, 2002

pop3 server?

by David Lee Ludwig

I'm trying to pick a pop3 server, however I am having a tough time doing such. A few notes: * The pop3 server will, for the time being, mount all maildirs via NFS. Similarly, all passwords are retrieved via NIS+. * Debian/woody packages would be nice, but not a requirement. Any thoughts? -- David Ludwig | "The Linux philosophy is laugh in the face of davidl<at>wpi.edu | danger. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself.' http://www.oflove.com | That's it." - Linus Torvalds

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Frank Sweetser said: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:06:54PM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > > it's not dpkg that has the problem. debian's gcc is patched so it > > defaults to i386 if the arch is any ix86, unless specified otherwise. > > (at least, that's what i'm making of this patch...) > > Actually, that's standard gcc behavior, which redhat has as well. Well, I seem to remember seeing something... somewhere... to some effect that I'm not entirely sure of... and I can't find it anymore... (sadly, this is how my mind usually works. broken and partial memories) > The difference here is that (if I understand things correctly) if you want to > compile a package for iX86 where X != 3, then you have to download and install > a package which *changes the default for every compile on the whole system*. > As Charles mentioned, the way that RPM does it is by macros. You tell RPM "I > want to build this particular packate for i586". It then goes off, and via the > correct configure macros, adds the flags to gcc (probably the same flags that > the debian package makes the system wide default) to compile *only* that > package for i586. > > So if I'm a random user who wants to compile a package on a i686 platform to be > run on a 386, and the sysadmin has installed the i686 package, that means that > I have to do *extra* work to get *standard* behavior! > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a pretty hackish > way to do things. pentium-builder is a wrapper for gcc/g++ that iff DEBIAN_BUILDARCH is set, runs gcc/g++ with -march=$DEBIAN_BUILDARCH -mcpu=$DEBIAN_BUILDARCH, otherwise it just runs gcc/g++. it's transparant to whatever called gcc. you don't have to specify DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=i386 to revert to default. the name "pentium-builder" doesn't mean it's specifically for pentium. as for it being hackish... from the pentium-builder README: Why did I do it this way? There are alternatives after all. I could just set CFLAGS or GCC, or I could place the shell script wrappers in a separate directory and set the PATH to point to them when you want to build pentium optimized stuff. The problem with all these ideas is that I can imagine packages that would circumvent them. It's a hack, but it works. I welcome a cleaner solution. ... on another note, i've compiled povray for k6 and pentium and timed them, aka "time ./povray" running on a k6 machine, the k6 optimised one consistently runs 1 second faster overall (33 seconds total) but the pentium optimised one has a .1 second lower sys time. which is better? (i don't have the output anymore. just thought i'd ask while on the topic of optimising) (yes, i read the time manpage. just doesn't seem to sink in through this thick skull :) ) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net A man on a slushy bender can do some crazy things.

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Charles R. Anderson said: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:06:54PM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > orion> As far as everything being i386, that's lets debian be installable on > orion> more architectures, like the 386 laptop i'm typing this on right now. > orion> Redhat, Mandrake, etc wouldn't install... everything's pentium > orion> optimised. > > Red Hat is not Pentium optimized. They do however provide i586 and i686 > kernel and glibc packages that will be installed only if the system > supports them. Hmmm. I can't find the redhat or mandrake cds i tried a couple years ago... but i seem to recall that i was unable to completely install because something was compiled for i586 and wouldn't run. honestly can't remember, it was too long ago. *shrug* sorry if i'm spreading bad information. a bad experience will do that to me :) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net "Boys in bed, girls in bed All now go to sleep Sleep, sweet dreams Wake to a new today tomorrow"

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:06:54PM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: orion> As far as everything being i386, that's lets debian be installable on orion> more architectures, like the 386 laptop i'm typing this on right now. orion> Redhat, Mandrake, etc wouldn't install... everything's pentium orion> optimised. Red Hat is not Pentium optimized. They do however provide i586 and i686 kernel and glibc packages that will be installed only if the system supports them. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:06:54PM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > it's not dpkg that has the problem. debian's gcc is patched so it > defaults to i386 if the arch is any ix86, unless specified otherwise. > (at least, that's what i'm making of this patch...) Actually, that's standard gcc behavior, which redhat has as well. The difference here is that (if I understand things correctly) if you want to compile a package for iX86 where X != 3, then you have to download and install a package which *changes the default for every compile on the whole system*. As Charles mentioned, the way that RPM does it is by macros. You tell RPM "I want to build this particular packate for i586". It then goes off, and via the correct configure macros, adds the flags to gcc (probably the same flags that the debian package makes the system wide default) to compile *only* that package for i586. So if I'm a random user who wants to compile a package on a i686 platform to be run on a 386, and the sysadmin has installed the i686 package, that means that I have to do *extra* work to get *standard* behavior! Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a pretty hackish way to do things. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | The UNIX system has a command, nice, which allows a user to voluntarily reduce the priority of his process, in order to be nice to the other users. Nobody ever uses it. -A. Tanenbaum, _Modern Operating Systems_

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Charles R. Anderson said: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:40:34AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: > orion> > Just install pentium-builder, set the environment variable like it > orion> > says to, and apt-get -b source <package> away! > orion> > orion> Well, hot damn. you're my new hero! Now I can still build optimised > orion> local .debs and make non-optimised redistributable ones without messy > orion> tweaking! > > RPM has had the ability to build for different architectures and > optimize based on them since the beginning: > > rpm --rebuild --target=i386,i586,i686 foo.src.rpm it's not dpkg that has the problem. debian's gcc is patched so it defaults to i386 if the arch is any ix86, unless specified otherwise. (at least, that's what i'm making of this patch...) I think what i really like about debian's build system is that while most people use a makefile for debian/rules, you DON'T HAVE TO. you can use any sort of script you want, so long as it does what it needs to. You DON'T HAVE TO use debhelper to put files in the right locations and fix permissions. You DON'T HAVE TO do anything a specific way, so long as the result is the same. As far as everything being i386, that's lets debian be installable on more architectures, like the 386 laptop i'm typing this on right now. Redhat, Mandrake, etc wouldn't install... everything's pentium optimised. -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net relevance is irrelevant.

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 01:40:34AM -0500, Aaron Haviland wrote: orion> > Just install pentium-builder, set the environment variable like it orion> > says to, and apt-get -b source <package> away! orion> orion> Well, hot damn. you're my new hero! Now I can still build optimised orion> local .debs and make non-optimised redistributable ones without messy orion> tweaking! RPM has had the ability to build for different architectures and optimize based on them since the beginning: rpm --rebuild --target=i386,i586,i686 foo.src.rpm Each distro includes RPM configuration files to define the build environment for that distro, including the optimization flags to use: optflags: i386 -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 optflags: i486 -O2 -march=i486 optflags: i586 -O2 -march=i586 optflags: i686 -O2 -march=i686 optflags: athlon -O2 -march=athlon optflags: ia64 -O2 They are usually passed to configure/make by setting variables in the .spec file (so you don't need to patch Makefiles): CC=$RPM_OPT_FLAGS ./configure make or even better, by using these macros, which will also cause the package to place all its files in the standard places that the distro has defined in the local RPM build environment (i.e., /usr/doc vs. /usr/share/doc): %configure make %makeinstall That way, when configure tests the compiler, it can be sure the compiler works with those optflags. Also, it doesn't require klugy scripts to override the compiler binary, etc., and can be used by any user, not just root (perhaps pentium-builder can too, I don't know). -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] docs / latex /?

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:26:48AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Some years ago, I was a heavy Latex user, but it's been a while... > I've heard rumors that it now has a WYSIWYG interface. Is this true? There's LyX, which isn't half bad, but sometimes takes a little kicking to do odd things, and has it's own file format which is almost, but not quite, TeX. There's a few emacs packages for LaTeX (find 'em on freshmeat - I forget the names at the moment) that are supposed to give you a good inline preview. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, but it just isn't cold enough. Let's go west.' --Richard Jeni

March 14, 2002

docs / latex /?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I need to generate some documents that look decent on the web and also print well. Some of the documents are forms for people to fill in, and, for the most part, the people are pretty unsophisticated. They may even just print the form and fill it in by hand. Some years ago, I was a heavy Latex user, but it's been a while... I've heard rumors that it now has a WYSIWYG interface. Is this true? At any rate, I'm looking for recommendations of something that can produce decent html (most word processors generate abysmal html) and decent printable stuff. (It would be very cool if I could produce the pdf "fill in the blanks" document.) Right now, I'm painfully generating the html in xemacs (very clean html) and then postscript and non-editable pdf from that. I've heard that docbook is good, but that it has a high learning curve. Suggestions? TIA, Bill

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Josh Huber said: > Aaron Haviland <orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org> writes: > > > apt-get source <package> && cd <package>-* && dpkg-buildpackage > > -rfakeroot -us -uc > > > > ... but iirc, it's not really optimised. to do that, you need to rebuild > > certain packages without certain tweaks that debian throws in. something > > about enabling certain i586 stuff, but still making them work on i386? > > (which is why all the debs say i386 instead of iX86) > > Well, for most of the optimizations, a very simple change can be made: > > $> apt-cache show pentium-builder > Package: pentium-builder > Priority: extra > Section: devel > Installed-Size: 80 > Maintainer: Alex Pennace <alex(a)pennace.org> > Architecture: all > Version: 0.17 > Depends: gcc | g++, perl > Filename: pool/main/p/pentium-builder/pentium-builder_0.17_all.deb > Size: 6604 > MD5sum: 25fd685abdcfd1e0ec6efc92a8d3e801 > Description: force pentium optimized compilation > Replaces gcc, cc, and g++ with scripts that build pentium optimized code. > (Other processors can be optimized for as well.) > . > By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode. > > Just install pentium-builder, set the environment variable like it > says to, and apt-get -b source <package> away! Well, hot damn. you're my new hero! Now I can still build optimised local .debs and make non-optimised redistributable ones without messy tweaking! -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Josh Huber

Aaron Haviland <orion(a)tribble.dyndns.org> writes: > apt-get source <package> && cd <package>-* && dpkg-buildpackage > -rfakeroot -us -uc > > ... but iirc, it's not really optimised. to do that, you need to rebuild > certain packages without certain tweaks that debian throws in. something > about enabling certain i586 stuff, but still making them work on i386? > (which is why all the debs say i386 instead of iX86) Well, for most of the optimizations, a very simple change can be made: $> apt-cache show pentium-builder Package: pentium-builder Priority: extra Section: devel Installed-Size: 80 Maintainer: Alex Pennace <alex(a)pennace.org> Architecture: all Version: 0.17 Depends: gcc | g++, perl Filename: pool/main/p/pentium-builder/pentium-builder_0.17_all.deb Size: 6604 MD5sum: 25fd685abdcfd1e0ec6efc92a8d3e801 Description: force pentium optimized compilation Replaces gcc, cc, and g++ with scripts that build pentium optimized code. (Other processors can be optimized for as well.) . By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode. Just install pentium-builder, set the environment variable like it says to, and apt-get -b source <package> away! ttyl, -- Josh Huber

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win2k and Linux

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 09:39:29PM -0500, Tim Trachimowicz wrote: track> I've never had a problem using LILO to dual boot Win98 and RH 6.2 (then track> 7.2), but I'm a little intimidated by Win2k and it's boot loader. Sure, there is no problem with using LILO and the Win2K bootloader at the same time. You can just delete the FAT32 partition on drive 2, install Linux, and install the LILO bootloader on drive 1's MBR. LILO is smart enough to be able to boot kernels from the second drive, and it will also be able to boot up the Win2K bootloader which will bring up its menu as usual. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 14, 2002

Win2k and Linux

by Tim Trachimowicz

Hey folks, I'm working on setting up a dual boot system with the following drive setup: Drive 1 - 6gb IDE Partition 1 (4gb) - Win2k NTFS (c:) Partition 2 (2gb) - Scratch FAT32 (e:) Drive 2 - 3gb IDE Partition 1 (3gb) - FAT32 (d:) (This is where I want to install RH 7.2) I've never had a problem using LILO to dual boot Win98 and RH 6.2 (then 7.2), but I'm a little intimidated by Win2k and it's boot loader. I've tried Google and a few other places for info, but a lot of it seems to focus in installing the two OS's on a single large disk with multiple partitions. Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? I am free to wipe/partition any or all of the disks and start fresh if that makes sense. I have read some info about making a boot partition, but again, it wasn't very clear to me... Any websites, FAQs or personal insight is appreciated. Thanks in advance! --Track

March 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I'm possessed -- sound stuff

by Bill Mills-Curran

I have an explanation. Apparently I did something to gaim to make it start using sounds to announce "buddies" signing on and leaving. I have no idea what triggered gaim to start doing this. Bill

March 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I'm possessed -- sound stuff

by doug waud

Hi Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > This is very weird... My linux box has just started making sounds -- As a pharmacologist, the first thing that comes to mind is whether you might have been feeding it beans. You may want to check out http://www.beano.net/ Incidentally, the veterinary product is called "Cur-tail" :-) doug

March 13, 2002

I'm possessed -- sound stuff

by Bill Mills-Curran

This is very weird... My linux box has just started making sounds -- stuff like little sound card samples. It has done about 6 sounds in the past 30 minutes. The only action I have taken since logging in this morning is to look at some web pages. I've "finger-ed" and "last-ed", but there is no evidence of co-workers getting cute with me. I did see one thing in the system log: Mar 13 08:13:21 pent584 kernel: ad1816: Analog Devices AD1816A detected Mar 13 08:13:21 pent584 kernel: ad1816: ISAPnP reports 'Analog Devices AD1816A' at i/o 0x500, irq 5, dma 1, 3 Mar 13 08:13:21 pent584 kernel: ad1816: AD1816 sounddriver Copyright (C) 1998 by Thorsten Knabe Mar 13 08:13:21 pent584 kernel: ad1816: io=0x500, irq=5, dma=1, dma2=3, clockfre q=33000, options=0 isadmabug=0 Mar 13 08:13:21 pent584 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-0- 3 Mar 13 08:38:25 pent584 kernel: ad1816: Analog Devices AD1816A detected Mar 13 08:38:25 pent584 kernel: ad1816: ISAPnP reports 'Analog Devices AD1816A' at i/o 0x500, irq 5, dma 1, 3 Mar 13 08:38:25 pent584 kernel: ad1816: AD1816 sounddriver Copyright (C) 1998 by Thorsten Knabe Mar 13 08:38:25 pent584 kernel: ad1816: io=0x500, irq=5, dma=1, dma2=3, clockfre q=33000, options=0 isadmabug=0 Mar 13 08:38:25 pent584 modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-service-0- 3 These messages appear only one other time in my system logs. Oh, one other thing... I did mount an NT share on my box yesterday. (I don't suspect this, but might as well tell everything.) Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

March 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Aaron Haviland

Doug Geiger said: > Wow flame bait ;) > Since you asked for it, random comments/flames inline. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: discuss-admin(a)wpila.org [mailto:discuss-admin@wpila.org]On Behalf > > Of Chuck Haines > > > > I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently > > (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I > > was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I > > wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing > > how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, > > Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so > > it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). > > apt-get source <package> > And I believe you can do similar w/SRPMS. Though I'll give that if I was > going to go through all the trouble of compiling everything from source, > personally I'd just grab .tar.gz of it all. Hell why bother with a distro? > apt-get source <package> && cd <package>-* && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc ... but iirc, it's not really optimised. to do that, you need to rebuild certain packages without certain tweaks that debian throws in. something about enabling certain i586 stuff, but still making them work on i386? (which is why all the debs say i386 instead of iX86) (research...research...research....) ah, here: http://ibiblio.org/gferg/ldp/giles/repository/repository-7.html > > So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the > > 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a > > little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on > > their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have > > yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. > > irc.debian.org - I use it and enjoy it ;). > which is just an alias for OPN, last i checked :) -- Aaron Haviland orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org orion [at] parsed [dot] net http://debian.parsed.net ICQ: 43079202

March 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Brian J. Conway

> 'Course the REAL geeks just rewrite their own POSIX-like kernel from > scratch and start their own distro based on it ;P. No, the real geeks fork an existing project, add "Open" to the name, and start badmouthing the original project at the top of their lungs. ;-) -b

March 12, 2002

RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Doug Geiger

Wow flame bait ;) Since you asked for it, random comments/flames inline. -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)counter.clue4all.net http://counter.clue4all.net/~runexe/ If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four strong oxen than 100 chickens. Chickens are OK but we can't make them work together yet. -- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89. > -----Original Message----- > From: discuss-admin(a)wpila.org [mailto:discuss-admin@wpila.org]On Behalf > Of Chuck Haines > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:39 PM > To: discuss(a)wpila.org; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro > > > I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently > (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I > was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I > wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing > how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, > Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so > it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). apt-get source <package> And I believe you can do similar w/SRPMS. Though I'll give that if I was going to go through all the trouble of compiling everything from source, personally I'd just grab .tar.gz of it all. Hell why bother with a distro? > So I went searching for my distro. I searched and searched and just when > I thought I wasn't going to find it, I found a distro called Sorcerer > linux. WOW, I thought to myself, this does what I wanted. So I > downloaded and installed it. I still hate it to this day. So then I > continued my search and stubbled upon Gentoo linux on Slashdot. After > being disappointed with Sorcerer, I wasn't expecting much, but little to > my knowledge this distro would turn out the be the best distro I've ever > tried (and I've tried close to 100 distro's of both unix and linux > flavor). Damn, 100? How much free time do you have? > So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the > 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a > little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on > their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have > yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. irc.debian.org - I use it and enjoy it ;). > Not to mention, some of the authors went here to WPI as they commented > when they saw I was from WPI. This distro has it all. It has an amazing > package management system which is simple to use and VERY powerful. Plus > is compiles everything from source which means that your system is 100% > optimized for your system (and yes it evern recompiles the gcc and stuff > so that it is optimized), although you can now use bninaries optimized > for i586. Not to mention you compile the kernel at install time > so there is no more "stock" kernel business. You can get to > business right away. Also, gentoo will only install what you want, making > this as small or large of a system as you wish. IMHO, this is the best > distro on the "market" today. I have even begun some devlopment for it. Have you tried LinuxFromScratch? I remember talking to you about it... > Just thought I'd share some thoughts on the newest distro of my liking. > If anyone is interested, their website is, http://www.gentoo.org. They > can also be found on irc at us.openprojects.net, channel #gentoo. I'm in > the channel a lot so look for termleech or termr00t. 'Course the REAL geeks just rewrite their own POSIX-like kernel from scratch and start their own distro based on it ;P. > Thoughts, comments, and flames are welcome. > > ---------------------- > | Chuck Haines | > | GDC Webmaster | > | chaines(a)wpi.edu | > | AOL IM: CyberGrex | > ---------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss(a)wpila.org > http://wpila.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >

March 12, 2002

Re: shutting down SuSE 7.3 via KDE

by doug waud

Hi Pierce Barnard wrote > Hello Andy, the error occurs when I log out of KDE. Then at the Linux > desktop login window, I select shutdown, I have the impression KDE can do a lot of funny things. I suggest you try shutting down by CTRL/ALT/F! to a command line and then typing shutdown -r now (or -h if that is your objective) I suspect this will work ok. If it does, then you will be confirming my suspicions and you can focus on blaming KDE and not Linux :-) doug

March 12, 2002

Gentoo Linux Distro

by Chuck Haines

I figured since I hadn't seen this on the list I'd post it. I recently (and by recent I mean 2 - 3 months) re-installed Linux on my computer. I was a very satisfied Slack8 user but I wanted something more. For one, I wanted a package manager. So I thought I might dabble into Debian (seeing how that is supposedly the premiere distro). But one problem existed, Debian still used binaries. I wanted everything compiled from source so it was optimized for my system (yes, I am a geek and very proud of it). So I went searching for my distro. I searched and searched and just when I thought I wasn't going to find it, I found a distro called Sorcerer linux. WOW, I thought to myself, this does what I wanted. So I downloaded and installed it. I still hate it to this day. So then I continued my search and stubbled upon Gentoo linux on Slashdot. After being disappointed with Sorcerer, I wasn't expecting much, but little to my knowledge this distro would turn out the be the best distro I've ever tried (and I've tried close to 100 distro's of both unix and linux flavor). So I begin my install of Gentoo. Gentoo is still in late beta stages (the 1.0 release is scheduled for mid to late this month). The install was a little rocky, but unlike most linux distro's you can find the authors on their irc channel on opennetworks and they are a tremendous help. I have yet to have a problem that someone in that channel wasn't able to fix. Not to mention, some of the authors went here to WPI as they commented when they saw I was from WPI. This distro has it all. It has an amazing package management system which is simple to use and VERY powerful. Plus is compiles everything from source which means that your system is 100% optimized for your system (and yes it evern recompiles the gcc and stuff so that it is optimized), although you can now use bninaries optimized for i586. Not to mention you compile the kernel at install time so there is no more "stock" kernel business. You can get to business right away. Also, gentoo will only install what you want, making this as small or large of a system as you wish. IMHO, this is the best distro on the "market" today. I have even begun some devlopment for it. Just thought I'd share some thoughts on the newest distro of my liking. If anyone is interested, their website is, http://www.gentoo.org. They can also be found on irc at us.openprojects.net, channel #gentoo. I'm in the channel a lot so look for termleech or termr00t. Thoughts, comments, and flames are welcome. ---------------------- | Chuck Haines | | GDC Webmaster | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | | AOL IM: CyberGrex | ----------------------

March 12, 2002

Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #267 - 4 msgs

by Pierce C. Barnard

At 12:01 PM 3/11/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Question (Pierce C. Barnard) > 2. Re: Question (Andy Stewart) > 3. Re: Chart generation tools (John Stoffel) > 4. Re: Chart generation tools (Charles R. Anderson) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:09:58 -0500 >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >From: "Pierce C. Barnard" <pcbarnard(a)earthlink.net> >Subject: [Wlug] Question >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs while >shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this problem with >the shut down proceedure? > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >charset="iso-8859-1" >From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> >Organization: Worcester Linux Users' Group >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Question >Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:34:17 -0500 >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >On Sunday 10 March 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote: > > Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs > > while shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this > > problem with the shut down proceedure? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >Hi Pierce, > >I am a SuSE user. I would like to help, but I believe that I need more >information in order to give you an accurate answer. > >Exactly which command are you using to shutdown the system? Can you send >along a snippet of the last few lines of output on the terminal before it >hangs? Does it always hang in the same place? With this type of >information, I believe that the problem can be diagnosed. > >See ya later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart >Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org Hello Andy, the error occurs when I log out of KDE. Then at the Linux desktop login window, I select shutdown, and then SuSE is shutting down, it hangs at the point where the drive shares are umounted and then inet says that the system will be halted immediately. It is at this point that SuSE will say that runtime level 0 has been reached, that it has stopped completely. At this point, the system is still running and I can not turn it off, except by turning the power off. What do you think is causing this to happen? and I will be at the WLUG meeting on this Wednesday. Thank you.

March 12, 2002

REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

Hi everybody, This is a friendly reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held on Wednesday, March 13th at 7 PM. Please note: the meeting room is DIFFERENT this month. We will be located in Perreault Hall in Fuller Labs (the same place as the January meeting). Directions can be found on the WLUG website. There is an opening for a speaker at this meeting, so if you have something you'd like to present to the group, bring it along and I'll turn over the floor to you. I received a couple of raffle items from the folks at http://theKompany.com. I will have available a copy of Quanta Gold as well as a copy of Power Plant. You can read more about these software packages at theKompany's website. I was told by a company representative that if we wanted to arrange a group purchase of software that we would receive a discount. Please contact me directly if this is of interest to you. After the meeting, we'll make our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beers, and more Linux talk. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:27:09AM -0500, John Stoffel wrote: stoffel> I'm familiar with MRTG (and RRDtool) but since I have more than one stoffel> input data set (i.e. I want to record the size and times of multiple stoffel> different backup groups), they're not quite what I want. Have you looked at Cricket? It also uses RRDtool, but is much more extensible and configurable than MRTG. stoffel> I also need to keep detailed info over time, which MRTG doesn't do, stoffel> since it start averaging data and coalescing it. You could always back up the daily RRDtool databases, and keep a history of them. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by John Stoffel

Mike> If yer looking for something that'll aggregate and age out the Mike> data, and produce daily, weekly, monthly and yearly graphs, Mike> check MRTG I'm familiar with MRTG (and RRDtool) but since I have more than one input data set (i.e. I want to record the size and times of multiple different backup groups), they're not quite what I want. I also need to keep detailed info over time, which MRTG doesn't do, since it start averaging data and coalescing it. But thanks for the hints! John

March 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Question

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 10 March 2002 09:09 pm, you wrote: > Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs > while shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this > problem with the shut down proceedure? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Hi Pierce, I am a SuSE user. I would like to help, but I believe that I need more information in order to give you an accurate answer. Exactly which command are you using to shutdown the system? Can you send along a snippet of the last few lines of output on the terminal before it hangs? Does it always hang in the same place? With this type of information, I believe that the problem can be diagnosed. See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 11, 2002

Question

by Pierce C. Barnard

Hi, I recently purchased SuSE V7.3 and when I shut it down, it hangs while shutting down all of the system processes. How can I fix this problem with the shut down proceedure?

March 11, 2002

FS: DSL Modem and Stereo Stuff

by Beaty McCloud

Hi, I know that this is not a forsale list, but I am having trouble posting to wpi.forsale from off-campus. If someone on campus could please post the following it would be greatly appreciated. TIA, and sorry for any inconvenience. -Beaty --------------------------- To see the listing, check out: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&u… If there are any questions then let me know. I may be able to deliver to the school depending on my schedule this upcoming week. Thanx!

March 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by Mike Peckar

If yer looking for something that'll aggregate and age out the data, and produce daily, weekly, monthly and yearly graphs, check MRTG ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [Wlug] Chart generation tools Guys, Does anyone have any recommendations for data plotting or charting tools under linux/solaris? I'm aware of gnuplot, xmgr (ACE/gr), grace (ACE/gr descendant) but none of them is really what I want. I'm trying to take a bunch of data from my backups and graph the output nicely. I'd like to have both: - stacked plots (show the totals, with breakdowns by groups). - pie charts for individual days - line charts for trend analysis And of course all of this should be easy to do from the Unix command line and/or control/data files. I currently have a script which uses gnuplot to graph the data, but it's not the nicest. I'm looking into using 'grace', but it's not well documented and it's really pushed more to scientific visualization. I'll try to put what I have up on the web at some point, so you can see what I'm trying to do... but if you've ever used Legato Networker, I've got a tool called 'nss' (http://jfs.ecotarium.org/sources/nss) which generates reports on backups. I'm now trying to take the logged data from that and provide some nice trend analysis graphs as well. Thanks, John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-399-0479 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] itch to scratch...

by Michael Frysinger

heh i encounter the same problem all the time i mount my mp3s via samba and then my windows box reboots. samba freaks the mount and processes get fucked in the ass. here is how i solve it ... drop all packets to your windows machine long enough to kill all the offending processes and umount the drive. iptables -I INPUT 1 -d WINDOWS -j DROP or if thats a prob (like you're ssh-ing from your windows machine :D), add in -p TCP --dport 139 -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> To: <wlug(a)wlug.org> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 09:38 Subject: [Wlug] itch to scratch... > I'd like to figure out a way to "assassinate" processes that get stuck in > the "waiting IO" state when I know there's no way they'll ever come out of > that state. > > I just had to reboot my linux workstation to resolve such an issue. I had > an file system containing mp3's mounted via smbfs. Unknown to me, this > connection had become stale, so when I started up xmms, it hung and > immediately went into the dreaded "waiting IO" state, while holding onto my > sound hardware. I did a df and had that stuck as well, along with the bash > shell I spawned it from. > > I think I'd like to write a "SIGMURDER" signal that would tell the kernel to > just through its tables and forcibly unallocate all the resources a > particular process is holding, close all its handles, etc. > > So before I even contemplate this endeavor, is their away to already do > this? > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Chart generation tools

by Mike Lundy

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 08 March 2002 14:29, you wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for data plotting or charting > tools under linux/solaris? I'm aware of gnuplot, xmgr (ACE/gr), My personal favorite is the perl module GD::Graph- if you know perl, it'll probably do everything you need. you can see a graph i made with it at http://mike.vinge.mine.nu/spamlist.png. - -- To smash a single atom, all mankind was intent. Now any day the atom may return the compliment. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjyJTSIACgkQqQ38/GgypQZ7lwCfZ6yJjcIyAMMP+9XZ1TGbvlsV 5/IAni+bY+7YZypb3+Z22FzsGVo9QzFl =8JUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 8, 2002

Chart generation tools

by John Stoffel

Guys, Does anyone have any recommendations for data plotting or charting tools under linux/solaris? I'm aware of gnuplot, xmgr (ACE/gr), grace (ACE/gr descendant) but none of them is really what I want. I'm trying to take a bunch of data from my backups and graph the output nicely. I'd like to have both: - stacked plots (show the totals, with breakdowns by groups). - pie charts for individual days - line charts for trend analysis And of course all of this should be easy to do from the Unix command line and/or control/data files. I currently have a script which uses gnuplot to graph the data, but it's not the nicest. I'm looking into using 'grace', but it's not well documented and it's really pushed more to scientific visualization. I'll try to put what I have up on the web at some point, so you can see what I'm trying to do... but if you've ever used Legato Networker, I've got a tool called 'nss' (http://jfs.ecotarium.org/sources/nss) which generates reports on backups. I'm now trying to take the logged data from that and provide some nice trend analysis graphs as well. Thanks, John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-399-0479

March 8, 2002

RE: [Wlug] itch to scratch...

by Evans, Robert

Potential difficulties with this idea: - There may be insufficient information about state of the process for the kernel to free up some resources. It might require code in drivers to assist. - Locks or mutexes held by the process should not be freed unless the resource the lock is protecting is in a consistent state. This gets very application specific. Robert N. Evans Software Engineer S T R A T U S T E C H N O L O G I E S 111 Powdermill Road, Maynard, MA 01754-3409 U.S.A. * Tel. 978-461-7680 / * Fax. 978-461-3610 robert.evans(a)stratus.com Amateur Radio Call: N1BE -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 9:39 AM To: 'wlug(a)wlug.org' Subject: [Wlug] itch to scratch... I'd like to figure out a way to "assassinate" processes that get stuck in the "waiting IO" state when I know there's no way they'll ever come out of that state. I just had to reboot my linux workstation to resolve such an issue. I had an file system containing mp3's mounted via smbfs. Unknown to me, this connection had become stale, so when I started up xmms, it hung and immediately went into the dreaded "waiting IO" state, while holding onto my sound hardware. I did a df and had that stuck as well, along with the bash shell I spawned it from. I think I'd like to write a "SIGMURDER" signal that would tell the kernel to just through its tables and forcibly unallocate all the resources a particular process is holding, close all its handles, etc. So before I even contemplate this endeavor, is their away to already do this? Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________

March 8, 2002

itch to scratch...

by Keller, Tim

I'd like to figure out a way to "assassinate" processes that get stuck in the "waiting IO" state when I know there's no way they'll ever come out of that state. I just had to reboot my linux workstation to resolve such an issue. I had an file system containing mp3's mounted via smbfs. Unknown to me, this connection had become stale, so when I started up xmms, it hung and immediately went into the dreaded "waiting IO" state, while holding onto my sound hardware. I did a df and had that stuck as well, along with the bash shell I spawned it from. I think I'd like to write a "SIGMURDER" signal that would tell the kernel to just through its tables and forcibly unallocate all the resources a particular process is holding, close all its handles, etc. So before I even contemplate this endeavor, is their away to already do this? Thanks, Tim.

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] can't connect with ftp, says connection time out

by Peter Gutowski

Bob, You haven't given us much to go on, but here's a shot: I'm assuming that this is the first time you've tried this. If so then you might not have configured inetd or xinetd to start the the ftp service when it detects an incoming ftp connection. My system ( Redhat 7.1 Intel) uses xinetd and the config files are in the directory /etc/xinetd; there's one for each service. Try to identify the file that corresponds to your ftp service. Again mine is named 'wu-ftpd' and it's a short file. Open the file with a text editor and look for a line that says 'disable = yes' and change the yes to a no, or delete the line completely. This done, you'll need to restart xinetd (or inetd). On my system I'd enter the command /etc/rc.d/init.d/xinetd restart to accomplish this. Perhaps that'll get you over the hump on this one. But there are other possibilities as well. If this doesn't work, please take a look at your log files, they can provide you (and us!) with valuable clues as to the nature of the problem. It's not uncommon for posters to include short, pertinent portions of a log file for us to see. Another strong possibility is that a packet filter is coming into play and that you incoming ftp request is just being ignored. That's handled by 'ipchains' or 'iptables' and is typically setup at startup time. It that appears to be the case, read the init.d script and see where it's looking for its configuration file, then check *that* file for any special handling of 'ftp' ports 21 and 20. The strongest likelyhood is that both of the above things need to be done. But, be warned about FTP in general: unless you're using it off the internet, historically it's been the source of many breakins and cannot be considered secure by nomal users as login and password are passed in cleartext over the internet. Consider using ssh and scp (components of OpenSSH) instead -- there's client software available for non-linux OSs too. -Peter On 3/7/2002 11:23 PM, babine <babinefamily(a)charter.net> wrote: > >When I try to ftp to my server, i get a connection time out. Why >is it happening? > > Bob

March 8, 2002

can't connect with ftp, says connection time out

by babine

When I try to ftp to my server, i get a connection time out. Why is it happening? Bob

March 8, 2002

FYI: Upcoming speakers at Softpro in Burlington

by Andy Stewart

Several O'Reilly authors--as well as Tim O'Reilly--will be speaking in the near future at Softpro Books in Burlington (details below). If you know of ways we could spread the word about these upcoming events, please let me know at marsee(a)oreilly.com. Books will be discounted during the event, and there will be door prizes. Open Invitation to SIGS and User Groups: Softpro is happy to host your group. They have space to accomodate up to 30 people in Burlington and up to 12 in Marlborough. Reserve a time by writing to events(a)softpro.com. Softpro Events: Tim O'Reilly on Emerging Tech Trends Wednesday, March 13--6:30 PM Tim will talk about emerging tech trends that O'Reilly & Associates is following, including bioinformatics, community wireless, web services, and the evolution of what he's calling "the internet operating system." For more information on Tim O'Reilly see: http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/tim_bio.html Jesse Liberty on ASP v. ASP.NET Wednesday, March 20--6:30 PM The principal difference between ASP.NET and ASP is that the new programming model is more object-oriented and more event-driven. This will be illustrated by extracting records from a database and filling a DataGrid in a web form, coloring some records based on their content, and responding to the ItemDataBound event. Along the way Jesse will also explain how to create code-behind pages for web forms, how to retrieve data from a database and how to populate the DataGrid. Jesse Liberty is the author of "Programming ASP.NET" and "Programming C#" among others. To see more information on Jesse Liberty or the books he has written for O'Reilly, visit: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/catalog/view/au/239?x-t=book.view Erik Ray on Perl and XML Wednesday, April 3--6:30-8:00 PM. Erik Ray is coauthor of the upcoming book "Perl & XML" (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlxml/) XML is a text-based markup language that has taken the programming world by storm. More powerful than HTML yet less demanding than SGML, XML has proven itself to be flexible and resilient. XML is the perfect tool for formatting documents with even the smallest bit of complexity, from Web pages to legal contracts to books. However, XML has also proven itself to be indispensable for organizing and conveying other sorts of data as well, thus its central role in web services like SOAP and XML-RPC. As the Perl programming language was tailor-made for manipulating text, few people have disputed the fact that Perl and XML are perfectly suited for one another. The only question has been what's the best way to do it. Noel Rappin on Jython Wednesday, April 24--6:30-8:00 PM. Noel Rappin is coauthor of "Jython Essentials" (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/jythoness/) Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written in Java, allowing Python programs to integrate seamlessly with any Java code. The secret to Jython's popularity lies in the combination of Java's libraries and tools with Python's rapid development capabilities. "Jython Essentials" provides a solid introduction to the language, numerous examples of Jython/Java interaction, and valuable reference material on modules and libraries of use to Jython programmers. All events to take place at: Softpro Books 112 Mall Road Burlington MA 01803-5300 Phone: (781) 273-2919 http://www.softpro.com/events.html --Marsee Henon %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Marsee Henon O'Reilly & Associates 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95472 Phone 707-827-7103 (Direct) 707-829-0515, 800-998-9938 Fax 707-829-0104 marsee(a)oreilly.com http://ug.oreilly.com/ http://www.oreilly.com/ %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible swap meet?

by doug waud

Andy Stewart wrote: > I have no problem with this as long as whatever arrives also leaves. Before this gets out of hand I'd like to raise the question of whether WLUG is really an appropriate locale for wife-swapping. doug

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible swap meet?

by Clint Moyer

One man's trash is another's treasure... On Thu, 07 Mar 2002 21:34:59 -0500 doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> wrote: >Andy Stewart wrote: > >> I have no problem with this as long as whatever arrives >>also leaves. > >Before this gets out of hand I'd like to raise the >question of whether >WLUG is really an appropriate locale for wife-swapping. > >doug >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible swap meet?

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 07 March 2002 09:34 pm, you wrote: > Andy Stewart wrote: > > I have no problem with this as long as whatever arrives also leaves. > > Before this gets out of hand I'd like to raise the question of whether > WLUG is really an appropriate locale for wife-swapping. > > doug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug I repeat...as long as whatever arrives also leaves. :-) -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible swap meet?

by Wesley Allen

Well, I guess that would explain why the last meeting was on Valentine's day! Wes doug waud wrote: >Andy Stewart wrote: > > >>I have no problem with this as long as whatever arrives also leaves. >> > >Before this gets out of hand I'd like to raise the question of whether >WLUG is really an appropriate locale for wife-swapping. > >doug >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nvidia with X

by Brad Noyes

ahh good question. yes, i'm using 2.4.16. I installed the GLX libraries, and kernel modules using their tar files, not with rpms. On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 07:41:16PM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Did you recompile the NVIDIA_kernel package for your own kernel? > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 07:31:09PM -0500, Brad Noyes wrote: > maitre> Thanks for the idea. I think that my monitor settings are okay. I should have mentioned this before, but X starts fine with the 'nv' driver loaded, but when i try to start X with the 'nvidia' driver loaded i get nothing. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible swap meet?

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 07 March 2002 05:07 pm, you wrote: > As there is currently (AFAIK) no topic for the next > Wednesday's WLUG meeting, I'd like to propose the > possibility of a kinda sorta swap meet. I have no problem with this as long as whatever arrives also leaves. -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nvidia with X

by Charles R. Anderson

Did you recompile the NVIDIA_kernel package for your own kernel? On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 07:31:09PM -0500, Brad Noyes wrote: maitre> Thanks for the idea. I think that my monitor settings are okay. I should have mentioned this before, but X starts fine with the 'nv' driver loaded, but when i try to start X with the 'nvidia' driver loaded i get nothing. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nvidia with X

by Brad Noyes

Thanks for the idea. I think that my monitor settings are okay. I should have mentioned this before, but X starts fine with the 'nv' driver loaded, but when i try to start X with the 'nvidia' driver loaded i get nothing. On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 06:34:13PM -0500, Adam @ Oak wrote: > You might be driving your screen incorrectly. If you have the manual to > your monitor set the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates to those listed > in the monitor manual. Here is a snippet of the relevent section of > XF86Config-4: > > # ********************************************************************** > # Monitor section > # ********************************************************************** > > # Any number of monitor sections may be present > > Section "Monitor" > > Identifier "My Monitor" > > # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. > # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a > # comma separated list of ranges of values. > # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S > # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. > > HorizSync 31-96 > > # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync > # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies > # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies > > # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. > # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a > # comma separated list of ranges of values. > # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S > # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. > > VertRefresh 50-160 > > EndSection > > If I don't have the specs I usually set the ranges low and then widen them > bit by bit. Note the low end of the ranges are standard for almost all > monitors so you shouldn't need to change them. This works because XFree86 > 4 is aware of standard VESA modes and can figure out what's best for the > monitor. > > > -Adam > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Brad Noyes wrote: > > > Hi all i've been struggling with trying to get nvidia's drivers to > > work for my TNT PCI card. The install goes fine, but when i startx, i > > only get a blank screen. Looking at the Log, i don't see any fatal > > errors. When i kill X (from a remote machine using ssh) my screen > > displays a few dozen vertical lines, and no console. I'm not very > > fluent in X, perhaps someone can spot an error in the config, or log > > file. > > > > Thanks, --brad _______________________________________________ Wlug > > mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > A> > end > > end > > ___________________________________________________ > Adam S. Keck | > | > | "Got BSD?" > Waltham | > Ma, 02452 | > --------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nvidia with X

by Adam ＠ Oak

You might be driving your screen incorrectly. If you have the manual to your monitor set the Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates to those listed in the monitor manual. Here is a snippet of the relevent section of XF86Config-4: # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "My Monitor" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 31-96 # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-160 EndSection If I don't have the specs I usually set the ranges low and then widen them bit by bit. Note the low end of the ranges are standard for almost all monitors so you shouldn't need to change them. This works because XFree86 4 is aware of standard VESA modes and can figure out what's best for the monitor. -Adam On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Brad Noyes wrote: > Hi all i've been struggling with trying to get nvidia's drivers to > work for my TNT PCI card. The install goes fine, but when i startx, i > only get a blank screen. Looking at the Log, i don't see any fatal > errors. When i kill X (from a remote machine using ssh) my screen > displays a few dozen vertical lines, and no console. I'm not very > fluent in X, perhaps someone can spot an error in the config, or log > file. > > Thanks, --brad _______________________________________________ Wlug > mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug A> end end ___________________________________________________ Adam S. Keck | | | "Got BSD?" Waltham | Ma, 02452 | ---------------------------------------------------

March 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] nvidia with X

by Brad Noyes

i meant to attach my config, and log, but forgot. oh well here they are. On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 04:19:31PM -0500, Brad Noyes wrote: > Hi all > i've been struggling with trying to get nvidia's drivers to work for my TNT PCI card. The install goes fine, but when i startx, i only get a blank screen. Looking at the Log, i don't see any fatal errors. When i kill X (from a remote machine using ssh) my screen displays a few dozen vertical lines, and no console. I'm not very fluent in X, perhaps someone can spot an error in the config, or log file. > > Thanks, > --brad > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 7, 2002

Possible swap meet?

by Clint Moyer

As there is currently (AFAIK) no topic for the next Wednesday's WLUG meeting, I'd like to propose the possibility of a kinda sorta swap meet. I'm probably not the only person with an assortment of PC parts of dubious value. However one man's trash is another's treasure. Perhaps interested parties could bring their old parts to the meeting for possible exchange for someone else's. Is this practical, feasible, desireable or not a good idea at all?

March 7, 2002

nvidia with X

by Brad Noyes

Hi all i've been struggling with trying to get nvidia's drivers to work for my TNT PCI card. The install goes fine, but when i startx, i only get a blank screen. Looking at the Log, i don't see any fatal errors. When i kill X (from a remote machine using ssh) my screen displays a few dozen vertical lines, and no console. I'm not very fluent in X, perhaps someone can spot an error in the config, or log file. Thanks, --brad

March 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] coredump file

by luke macneil

March 6, 2002

coredump file

by Leon Do

Hello, Can somebody show me any techniques to look into a JVM core dump file? thanks for any help! -- Leon Do

March 6, 2002

OpenOffice Macros

by Wesley Allen

Hi everyone, I'm just sitting here doing some work and realized something. I should be able to reduce my keystrokes a LOT by writing some macros that would allow me to "quick change" my fonts in OpenOffice. I'm doing some research right now, but I never learned VB (which, I assume, OpenOfficeBasic is a derrivitave of) so I'm starting cold. Has anyone out there written some macros for OpenOffice? All I need is the ability to switch quickly between: English, Greek, and Hebrew. I'm not sure how to start. Like I said, I'm doing the research, but any hints and/or examples you all could share would be WONDERFUL. Thanks everyone, Wes

March 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Bill Smith

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:05:02 -0500 "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> wrote: > Doh... > > Its rdestkop, not rnetwork.... > > www.rdesktop.org > that's odd... i couldn't resolve www.rdesktop.org, but fortunately, Google knows about it. (the site you mentioned and the SourceForge site are there. SourceForge has it listed at http://sourceforge.net/projects/rdesktop ...) thanks for the lead... +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | William Smith wsmith at chezsmith dot com | | Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Things are more like they are today than they ever were | | before. -- Dwight Eisenhower | | * TAG! v2.2 * | +--------------------------------------------------------------+

Feb. 27, 2002

RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Keller, Tim

Doh... Its rdestkop, not rnetwork.... www.rdesktop.org Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Freitag [mailto:stevef@ma.ultranet.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 23:30 PM To: Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com Subject: RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere Do you have a link for rnetwork? I did a real quick check of google, freshmeat and sourceforge and didn't see it. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Keller, Tim Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 6:23 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere I 2nd or 3rd VNC, you should also check out rnetwork. It allows a linux box to control a window$ box via micro$ith terminal services. I use it here at work and have had great luck with it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: bryon3245(a)netzero.com [mailto:bryon3245@netzero.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 17:31 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] pc anywhere does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Thanks B.B. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 27, 2002

RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Clint Moyer

www.tightvnc.com -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of bryon3245(a)netzero.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:31 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] pc anywhere does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Thanks B.B. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Josh Huber

"Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> writes: > I 2nd or 3rd VNC, you should also check out rnetwork. It allows a > linux box to control a window$ box via micro$ith terminal services. > I use it here at work and have had great luck with it. Yes, check out x2vnc. If you've seen x2x, this is the same but the other display can be a VNC display: http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/x2vnc.html -- Josh Huber

Feb. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 05:32:11PM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: felicity> Check out VNC: felicity> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ and this cool VNC-compatible application which lets you connect to an already-running KDE X-session, so you can share your desktop just like the Windows version of VNCserver: http://freshmeat.net/projects/krfb/ -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 26, 2002

RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Keller, Tim

I 2nd or 3rd VNC, you should also check out rnetwork. It allows a linux box to control a window$ box via micro$ith terminal services. I use it here at work and have had great luck with it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: bryon3245(a)netzero.com [mailto:bryon3245@netzero.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 17:31 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] pc anywhere does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Thanks B.B. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 26, 2002

RE: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Tim Trachimowicz

I second this... I've been using it for a while now and have absolutely no complaints. --Track -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:32 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] pc anywhere On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 05:30:33PM -0500, bryon3245(a)netzero.com wrote: > does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Check out VNC: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ -- Randomly Generated Tagline: To know recursion, you must first know recursion. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] pc anywhere

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 05:30:33PM -0500, bryon3245(a)netzero.com wrote: > does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Check out VNC: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ -- Randomly Generated Tagline: To know recursion, you must first know recursion.

Feb. 26, 2002

pc anywhere

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

does any one know of a program for linux that is like the windows program pc anywhere. Where you can contral a remote computer just like it was in front of you. Thanks B.B. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux for DEC Alpha 400 4/233 ??

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 26 Feb 2002, at 16:27, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I remember from one of the more recent WLUGs that some information > about Linux on Alpha was presented. I was at the Mass Academy for > Math & Science yesterday, and they have several DEC Alpha 400 4/233 > machines and they asked me if there was a Linux that might run on > them. Not being a DEC kind of guy, I couldn't answer... > > Anyone care to offer some information regarding this? We had an Alphastation 533mhz running redhat err, 7.1, iirc. KDE was slow, I remember the video card not being impressive, so I'm sure X was not accelerated. She wasn't my box, so I don't know how optimised she was either. Suse, redhat, slack(i think), debian, *BSD all have alpha-centric distros. - (hey all, I just joined the ML) James KB1FJQ > Thanks in advance! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 04:26 PM 2/26/2002, Bill wrote: >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:22:17 -0500 >"Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > > At 03:52 PM 2/26/2002, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:24:05 -0500 > > >Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks, guys. Yeah, I remember $1/MB sounding good. I also > remember being > > > > able to fit a whole program into 1MB. Ah, those were the days... > > > > > >kids these days! when i was your age, the top-of-the-line system had 16k > > >RAM and four-color graphics!! And we were GRATEFUL! ;) > > > > Oh boy - here we go! > > > > "...up hill, both ways..." ;-) > > > > Steve > > > > P.S. - should I talk about using paper tape? > ><evil grin> i thought that would get a rise from those that are older >than me... <g> Don't know if I am older than you, but I've used some ancient stuff! >(for the record, the oldest system i worked on regularly was a DEC >PDP-11/70 running RSTS/E... we used Holerith cards and mag tape for >everything except programming [had dumb terminals for that], had disc >packs, and one 8" floppy drive...) My oldest was a "ruggedized" PDP-11/20 used by the US Navy (SSN 688 class subs). Other than that, I have worked on "newer" stuff that we designed for the Military, but mag tape was still a requirement - the ocean can get rough enough that you have to have a backup media for those days you just can't risk a head-crash! Steve

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux for DEC Alpha 400 4/233 ??

by Scott Venier

Most any alpha linux distribution should work on that machine. I've seen redhat 7.1 on an alphastation 250, which is a very similar machine. Debian and SuSE should be fine too. Scott On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I remember from one of the more recent WLUGs that some information about > Linux on Alpha was presented. I was at the Mass Academy for Math & Science > yesterday, and they have several DEC Alpha 400 4/233 machines and they > asked me if there was a Linux that might run on them. Not being a DEC kind > of guy, I couldn't answer... > > Anyone care to offer some information regarding this? > > Thanks in advance! > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 26, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Linux for DEC Alpha 400 4/233 ??

by Evans, Robert

I think Red Hat and Mandrake both provide distributions for Alpha. I'm sure there are others too since Linus used an Alpha as a target during kernel 2.0 development. Robert N. Evans (Ex-DEC Guy) Work: Stratus Technologies N2-SWE -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:27 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Linux for DEC Alpha 400 4/233 ?? I remember from one of the more recent WLUGs that some information about Linux on Alpha was presented. I was at the Mass Academy for Math & Science yesterday, and they have several DEC Alpha 400 4/233 machines and they asked me if there was a Linux that might run on them. Not being a DEC kind of guy, I couldn't answer... Anyone care to offer some information regarding this? Thanks in advance! Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 26, 2002

Linux for DEC Alpha 400 4/233 ??

by Stephen C. Daukas

I remember from one of the more recent WLUGs that some information about Linux on Alpha was presented. I was at the Mass Academy for Math & Science yesterday, and they have several DEC Alpha 400 4/233 machines and they asked me if there was a Linux that might run on them. Not being a DEC kind of guy, I couldn't answer... Anyone care to offer some information regarding this? Thanks in advance! Steve

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:22:17 -0500 "Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: > At 03:52 PM 2/26/2002, you wrote: > >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:24:05 -0500 > >Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks, guys. Yeah, I remember $1/MB sounding good. I also remember being > > > able to fit a whole program into 1MB. Ah, those were the days... > > > >kids these days! when i was your age, the top-of-the-line system had 16k > >RAM and four-color graphics!! And we were GRATEFUL! ;) > > Oh boy - here we go! > > "...up hill, both ways..." ;-) > > Steve > > P.S. - should I talk about using paper tape? <evil grin> i thought that would get a rise from those that are older than me... <g> (for the record, the oldest system i worked on regularly was a DEC PDP-11/70 running RSTS/E... we used Holerith cards and mag tape for everything except programming [had dumb terminals for that], had disc packs, and one 8" floppy drive...) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | William Smith wsmith at chezsmith dot com | | Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Therapy is expensive. Popping bubblewrap | | is cheap. You choose. | | * TAG! v2.2 * | +--------------------------------------------------------------+

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 03:52 PM 2/26/2002, you wrote: >On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:24:05 -0500 >Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> wrote: > > > Thanks, guys. Yeah, I remember $1/MB sounding good. I also remember being > > able to fit a whole program into 1MB. Ah, those were the days... > >kids these days! when i was your age, the top-of-the-line system had 16k >RAM and four-color graphics!! And we were GRATEFUL! ;) Oh boy - here we go! "...up hill, both ways..." ;-) Steve P.S. - should I talk about using paper tape?

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:24:05 -0500 Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> wrote: > Thanks, guys. Yeah, I remember $1/MB sounding good. I also remember being > able to fit a whole program into 1MB. Ah, those were the days... kids these days! when i was your age, the top-of-the-line system had 16k RAM and four-color graphics!! And we were GRATEFUL! ;) > If you folks think memory prices are going to go higher, then maybe I better > go for it now. Thanks. have you looked on pricewatch (www.pricewatch.com)? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | William Smith wsmith at chezsmith dot com | | Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | I'm weird, but around here it's barely noticeable. | | * TAG! v2.2 * | +--------------------------------------------------------------+

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks, guys. Yeah, I remember $1/MB sounding good. I also remember being able to fit a whole program into 1MB. Ah, those were the days... If you folks think memory prices are going to go higher, then maybe I better go for it now. Thanks. Greg On Monday 25 February 2002 10:45, Jeremy wrote: > http://www.crucial.com is even a few bucks cheaper. > Never had a problem ordering from Crucial either. > > --- Adam Keck <akeck(a)mathworks.com> wrote: > > http://www.thechipmerchant.com/19610-0.html > > > > Stop yer moaning! ;-) Memory is still well below the 1/mb mark we > > thought was insanely low 1 and 1/2 years ago. I thought for sure it > > would spike above that level by now given some of the Dramurai's > > willingness to close factories. It may very well, yet... I will look > > through my parts bin for you though :). > > > > -Adam > > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > Since we were just on the subject of hardware, I was wondering if > > > anyone > > > > had > > > > > any PC133 memory that they wanted to part with. I have a new box > > > that's > > > > half > > > > > built and would like 256MB, but I'd settle for 64 just to get it going. > > > I'm > > > > > > stalling on the memory, hoping the price will come back down. (it > > > doubled right after christmas). Thanks. > > > > > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" > > _____________________________________________ > > Adam Keck The Mathworks > > 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma > > www.mathworks.com > > FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator > > _____________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ===== > - > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 26, 2002

Re: ssh/virtual terminal "challenge"

by Bill Mills-Curran

Found it (RTFM)! Just add: -o "StrictHostKeyChecking no" to the command line. Bill On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:10:52 -0500 (EST) > From: Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: ssh/virtual terminal "challenge" > > I have a situation where I'd like to run ssh from a script to connect > to a different machine. In some cases, the machine's IP will have > changed, due to DHCP. Is there a way I can either: > > 1. make ssh accept the new site without supplying the "yes" from the > keyboard. > > or > > 2. Somehow set up a controlling terminal or virtual terminal to > provide the "yes" that ssh requires? > > I have not been able to get something like "openvt" to work. I have > no experience with these things. > > TIA, > Bill > >

Feb. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PalmOS download

by Stephen C. Daukas

Hi Rick! Thanks, but I don't have 3.5.x, I'm at rev 3.3. This page says it is recommended only for 3.5.x. Sorry, I should have been more explicit. Steve At 08:41 PM 2/24/2002, you wrote: > > Anyone know where I can get Palm OS version >3.5.3 for my Palm III? > >http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/update3 >53.html >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] ssh/virtual terminal "challenge"

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:10:52PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I have a situation where I'd like to run ssh from a script to connect > to a different machine. In some cases, the machine's IP will have > changed, due to DHCP. Is there a way I can either: > > 1. make ssh accept the new site without supplying the "yes" from the > keyboard. Assuming you have passphraseless RSA/DSA keys setup, you can avoid the "are you sure you want to ..." question via the following commandline option: -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' That tells SSH to not ask about adding hosts to the known_hosts file. I have a script which will take in a list of hosts via STDIN and SSH to each one running a certain command, so in the code I have the following that works nicely: $command = "ssh -f -n -q -c blowfish -x -o \'StrictHostKeyChecking=no\'"; $params = "$machine $remoteuser \'@ARGV\' 2>&1"; -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "if you don't know what Unix is, get off the internet." - Catherine Skidmore

Feb. 25, 2002

ssh/virtual terminal "challenge"

by Bill Mills-Curran

I have a situation where I'd like to run ssh from a script to connect to a different machine. In some cases, the machine's IP will have changed, due to DHCP. Is there a way I can either: 1. make ssh accept the new site without supplying the "yes" from the keyboard. or 2. Somehow set up a controlling terminal or virtual terminal to provide the "yes" that ssh requires? I have not been able to get something like "openvt" to work. I have no experience with these things. TIA, Bill

Feb. 25, 2002

Palm III OS...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Anyone know where I can get Palm OS version 3.5.3 for my Palm III? Palm have gone to 4.1 and are charging $30.00. I don't want to spring the $$ because most of 4.1 is for mobile connectivity and I don't care about that. 3.5.3 has all the stuff I want, but it is no longer available from Palm's website... Any suggestions? Thanks! Steve

Feb. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Jeremy

http://www.crucial.com is even a few bucks cheaper. Never had a problem ordering from Crucial either. --- Adam Keck <akeck(a)mathworks.com> wrote: > http://www.thechipmerchant.com/19610-0.html > > Stop yer moaning! ;-) Memory is still well below the 1/mb mark we thought > was insanely low 1 and 1/2 years ago. I thought for sure it would spike > above that level by now given some of the Dramurai's willingness to close > factories. It may very well, yet... I will look through my parts bin for > you though :). > > -Adam > > > On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > Since we were just on the subject of hardware, I was wondering if anyone > had > > any PC133 memory that they wanted to part with. I have a new box that's > half > > built and would like 256MB, but I'd settle for 64 just to get it going. I'm > > > stalling on the memory, hoping the price will come back down. (it doubled > > right after christmas). Thanks. > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" > _____________________________________________ > Adam Keck The Mathworks > 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma > www.mathworks.com > FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator > _____________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

Feb. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] memory

by Adam Keck

http://www.thechipmerchant.com/19610-0.html Stop yer moaning! ;-) Memory is still well below the 1/mb mark we thought was insanely low 1 and 1/2 years ago. I thought for sure it would spike above that level by now given some of the Dramurai's willingness to close factories. It may very well, yet... I will look through my parts bin for you though :). -Adam On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Since we were just on the subject of hardware, I was wondering if anyone had > any PC133 memory that they wanted to part with. I have a new box that's half > built and would like 256MB, but I'd settle for 64 just to get it going. I'm > stalling on the memory, hoping the price will come back down. (it doubled > right after christmas). Thanks. > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Feb. 25, 2002

memory

by Gregory Avedissian

Since we were just on the subject of hardware, I was wondering if anyone had any PC133 memory that they wanted to part with. I have a new box that's half built and would like 256MB, but I'd settle for 64 just to get it going. I'm stalling on the memory, hoping the price will come back down. (it doubled right after christmas). Thanks. Greg

Feb. 25, 2002

PalmOS download

by rick gansler

> Anyone know where I can get Palm OS version 3.5.3 for my Palm III? http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/update3 53.html

Feb. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 12:08:23PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> You said rebuild the RPM database. Do you mean --rebuilddb ? Oops. Yes. rpm --rebuilddb. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] question

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 24 February 2002 11:52 am, you wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 11:15:12AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > andystewart> SuSE 7.0 uses rpm version 3.0.4 > andystewart> SuSE 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 all use rpm version 3.0.6 > > Before and after upgrading, it is a good idea to rebuild the RPM > database: > > rpm --rebuild > > rpm -Uvh rpm.rpm > > rpm --rebuild You said rebuild the RPM database. Do you mean --rebuilddb ? -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Feb 24, 2002 at 11:15:12AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> SuSE 7.0 uses rpm version 3.0.4 andystewart> SuSE 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 all use rpm version 3.0.6 Before and after upgrading, it is a good idea to rebuild the RPM database: rpm --rebuild rpm -Uvh rpm.rpm rpm --rebuild -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] question

by Andy Stewart

On Saturday 23 February 2002 10:11 pm, Pierce C. Barnard wrote: > Hi, I have a pc that is running SuSE V7.0. I need to upgrade the rpm > manager. How do I do that? The RPM program is packaged just like any other application, and hence you would upgrade it just like you would any other package on your system. First, go to SuSE's website at ftp://ftp.suse.com and get the rpm.rpm file for the version of RPM that you seek. It can be found in this directory: ftp://ftp.suse/com/pub/suse/i386/7.X/suse/a1 where X = 0, 1, 2, or 3 and I am assuming an Intel architecture (i386) FYI: SuSE 7.0 uses rpm version 3.0.4 SuSE 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3 all use rpm version 3.0.6 Then, try this as root: rpm --version (to see your current version) rpm -Uvh rpm.rpm rpm --version (to see new version) Also, to see the version contained in a package without actually installing it, try this: rpm -qpi rpm.rpm Hope this helps, Andy > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 24, 2002

question

by Pierce C. Barnard

Hi, I have a pc that is running SuSE V7.0. I need to upgrade the rpm manager. How do I do that?

Feb. 24, 2002

Success! Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Bill Mills-Curran

Frank, I don't know precisely what fixed -- much whacking (not even hacking) going on... but I did end up rebooting the W98 box. Finally, nmblookup started working. Thanks, Bill

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 03:58:15PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> bcurran_newguy> nmblookup BERTHA subssn594> querying BERTHA on 192.168.1.255 subssn594> name_query failed to find name BERTHA subssn594> bcurran_newguy> nmblookup bertha subssn594> querying bertha on 192.168.1.255 subssn594> name_query failed to find name bertha subssn594> subssn594> But, ping works. (I'm using static ip's behind the firewall.) subssn594> subssn594> bcurran_newguy> ping 192.168.1.11 Be sure there is no firewall on the Red Hat box: /sbin/service ipchains stop /sbin/service iptables stop and also try these: nmblookup -R -U 192.168.1.11 BERTHA nmblookup -R -U 192.168.1.11 -A 192.168.1.11 nmblookup -R -A 192.168.1.11 nmblookup -R BERTHA

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:39:11 -0500 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] printer still sick > > > On occasion =) > > Try doing > > nmblookup BERTHA > > This should broadcast to see what IP address responds to the WINS name of > BERTHA. If nothing responsds, BERTHA isn't answering, or now thinks it has > a different name. > Failed... bcurran_newguy> nmblookup BERTHA querying BERTHA on 192.168.1.255 name_query failed to find name BERTHA bcurran_newguy> nmblookup bertha querying bertha on 192.168.1.255 name_query failed to find name bertha But, ping works. (I'm using static ip's behind the firewall.) bcurran_newguy> ping 192.168.1.11 PING 192.168.1.11 (192.168.1.11) from 192.168.1.12 : 56(84) bytes of data. Warning: time of day goes back, taking countermeasures. 64 bytes from 192.168.1.11: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=455 usec > Another thought - you say you're behind a linksys firewall box. Is this box > set up to provide static addresses, or is it possible that it changed > BERTHA's IP address out from underneath the poor unsuspecting print clients > to something other than 192.168.1.11? > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > I have a great diet. You're allowed to eat anything you want, but you must > eat it with naked fat people. --Ed Bluestone > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Bill Mills-Curran subssn594(a)charter.net 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:23:29 -0500 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] printer still sick > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 03:28:40PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I updated a lot of stuff, including anything that had to do with printing, > > and I still can't print. > > > > I'm wondering if the virus scanner I put on the PC could be the problem -- > > I've disabled it (as much as I can) but I'm suspicious. > > > > This looks bad... > > > > > > bcurran_newguy> cat .login | smbclient '//BERTHA/CANON' -I 192.168.1.11 -N > > -c 'print -' > > added interface ip=192.168.1.12 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 > > session request to BERTHA failed (Called name not present) > > session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present) > > Aha - smbclient is unable to find a machine identifying itself with a windows > name of BERTHA. This virus scanner you mention may very well be the culprit - > a number of them also include some level of firewall functionality which may be > interfering. > > Can you browse 192.168.1.11 from any other machines on your network? > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > I have a great diet. You're allowed to eat anything you want, but you must > eat it with naked fat people. --Ed Bluestone > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Frank, Same result from a 6.2 RedHat machine. I did not install the McAfee firewall option because I'm already behind a linksys firewall. Do you offer phone support? :-) Bill Bill Mills-Curran subssn594(a)charter.net 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 03:42:55PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote: > > Aha - smbclient is unable to find a machine identifying itself with a > > windows name of BERTHA. This virus scanner you mention may very well be > > the culprit - a number of them also include some level of firewall > > functionality which may be interfering. > > Frank, > > Same result from a 6.2 RedHat machine. I did not install the McAfee > firewall option because I'm already behind a linksys firewall. > > Do you offer phone support? :-) On occasion =) Try doing nmblookup BERTHA This should broadcast to see what IP address responds to the WINS name of BERTHA. If nothing responsds, BERTHA isn't answering, or now thinks it has a different name. Another thought - you say you're behind a linksys firewall box. Is this box set up to provide static addresses, or is it possible that it changed BERTHA's IP address out from underneath the poor unsuspecting print clients to something other than 192.168.1.11? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I have a great diet. You're allowed to eat anything you want, but you must eat it with naked fat people. --Ed Bluestone

Feb. 23, 2002

printer still sick

by Bill Mills-Curran

I updated a lot of stuff, including anything that had to do with printing, and I still can't print. I'm wondering if the virus scanner I put on the PC could be the problem -- I've disabled it (as much as I can) but I'm suspicious. This looks bad... bcurran_newguy> cat .login | smbclient '//BERTHA/CANON' -I 192.168.1.11 -N -c 'print -' added interface ip=192.168.1.12 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 session request to BERTHA failed (Called name not present) session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present) I don't know what this problem is. Ok, and the status.bertha from the print queue, too, at the end I'm floundering. TIA, Bill **************************************************************** IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</PrintQuality(Normal)>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.862 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</BitsPerPixel 24>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.862 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</ProcessColorModel /DeviceCMYK>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.862 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</PrintColors 15>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.863 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</HWResolution[360 360]>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.863 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'foomatic-gswrapper: gs '-dBATCH' '-dSAFER' '-dQUIET' '-dNOPAUSE' '-sDEVICE=bjc600' '-sOutputFile=/dev/fd/3' '-' 3>&1 1>&2' at 2002-02-23-15:01:05.872 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'closing *main::KID3' at 2002-02-23-15:01:06.714 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'closed *main::KID3' at 2002-02-23-15:01:06.714 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'tail process done writing data to *main::STDOUT' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.524 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'KID4 finished' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.524 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'KID3 finished' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.525 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'Main process finished' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.525 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter finished at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.539 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 printing finished at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.539 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 LP filter msg - 'cat: write error: Broken pipe' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.539 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 waiting for printer filter to exit at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.539 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 accounting at end at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.540 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 finished 'cfA102newguy.mills.curran', status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.540 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3162 subserver pid 3162 exit status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.541 ## A=<NULL> number=0 process=3103 job 'cfA102newguy.mills.curran', attempt 3, allowed 3 at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.542 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3103 send_failure_action 'JREMOVE' at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.542 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3103 job 'cfA102newguy.mills.curran', removing job - status JREMOVE at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.542 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3103 removing job 'cfA102newguy.mills.curran' - JREMOVE at 2002-02-23-15:01:11.543 ## A=<NULL> number=102 process=3103

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] printer still sick

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 03:28:40PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I updated a lot of stuff, including anything that had to do with printing, > and I still can't print. > > I'm wondering if the virus scanner I put on the PC could be the problem -- > I've disabled it (as much as I can) but I'm suspicious. > > This looks bad... > > > bcurran_newguy> cat .login | smbclient '//BERTHA/CANON' -I 192.168.1.11 -N > -c 'print -' > added interface ip=192.168.1.12 bcast=192.168.1.255 nmask=255.255.255.0 > session request to BERTHA failed (Called name not present) > session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present) Aha - smbclient is unable to find a machine identifying itself with a windows name of BERTHA. This virus scanner you mention may very well be the culprit - a number of them also include some level of firewall functionality which may be interfering. Can you browse 192.168.1.11 from any other machines on your network? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | I have a great diet. You're allowed to eat anything you want, but you must eat it with naked fat people. --Ed Bluestone

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes

by Tom Guilderson

> > And as for printing - it's kind of a bad example. They revamped the printing > system because it included suport for a *whole* lot more printers. And > while yeah, there were some issues with it (mostly related to specific printer > drivers, IIRC) they are updates out there for them. > I did notice that the number of printers supported appeared to be significantly greater. I also liked the newer set up utilities etc. - I thought they were definitely better and I think that long term it is the right direction - maybe they should have released both the old and new - giving the user the option to try the latest or use a known stable version. That way they can get the latest version out there for those that want and need it, and also provide a known stable version for those that do not have the time "try" a new version, but just need to get stuff done. Especially for what is to many people a core utility such as printing.

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes

by Tom Guilderson

If I remember correctly - RedHat switched from Aladdin ghostscript to GNU ghostscript from 7.1 to 7.2. When I gave 7.2 a test drive I could not get it to print postscript to an HP printer. This was several months ago. I ended up uninstalling all the 7.2 printing utilities and installing the utilities from 6.2 - and everything worked. It's a solution that saved me a lot of time. Rip out ghostscript, lpd, the print filters, and set up utilities and put the old RPMS's that worked you earlier for a quick solution. Then when you have some time - you can try to get the latest version working after you have gotten your real work done. That is why I have become wary of RedHat lately - in their desire to ship the latest and greatest and keep up with Suse and Mandrake etal in the distro wars - sometimes things are not ready for production environments - if it were a .0 release - maybe.... but not in the third iteration! Good Luck! > > > My printer setup has gone south as a result of the upgrade from 7.1 to > > > 7.2 at the install fest. I need help because I have real work to do > > > and no time... > > > > Generic canned answer - have you applied all updates? There have been > > quite a few updates that went by for printing in particular. > >

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 01:31:07PM -0500, Tom Guilderson wrote: > That is why I have become wary of RedHat lately - in their desire to ship the > latest and greatest and keep up with Suse and Mandrake etal in the distro > wars - sometimes things are not ready for production environments - if it > were a .0 release - maybe.... but not in the third iteration! Speaking in defence of RedHat - I can't say anything specific as I'm a beta tester and under NDA, but RedHat has refused to update packages to newer versions if they decide those newer versions are sufficiently stable yet. And as for printing - it's kind of a bad example. They revamped the printing system because it included suport for a *whole* lot more printers. And while yeah, there were some issues with it (mostly related to specific printer drivers, IIRC) they are updates out there for them. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with a period. Every crime ends with a sentence. -- Stephen Wright

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes

by Bill Mills-Curran

Frank, Good suggestion. I'll try that and (after I take my son shopping for a friend's birthday present) get back to the list. Pollyana that I am, I was not expect bugs from something as basic as printing. Sigh. No time. Thanks, Bill On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:37:01 -0500 > From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:47:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > HELP HELP HELP > > > > My printer setup has gone south as a result of the upgrade from 7.1 to > > 7.2 at the install fest. I need help because I have real work to do > > and no time... > > Generic canned answer - have you applied all updates? There have been > quite a few updates that went by for printing in particular. > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with a > period. Every crime ends with a sentence. -- Stephen Wright > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 23, 2002

HELP!! printer woes

by Bill Mills-Curran

HELP HELP HELP My printer setup has gone south as a result of the upgrade from 7.1 to 7.2 at the install fest. I need help because I have real work to do and no time... Lot of stuff below. TIA, Bill Mills-Curran Here's the current (7.2) printcap. # /etc/printcap # # DO NOT EDIT! MANUAL CHANGES WILL BE LOST! # This file is autogenerated by printconf-backend during lpd init. # # Hand edited changes can be put in /etc/printcap.local, and will be included. bertha:\ :sh:\ :ml=0:\ :mx=0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/bertha:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/bertha/bertha.acct:\ :lp=|/usr/share/printconf/util/smbprint:\ :lpd_bounce=true:\ :if=/usr/share/printconf/util/mf_wrapper: ############################################################################### ## Everything below here is included verbatim from /etc/printcap.local ## ############################################################################### # printcap.local # # This file is included by printconf's generated printcap, # and can be used to specify custom hand edited printers. Here's the diff from /etc/printcap... [root@newguy /etc]# diff printcap.71 printcap.72 13c13,14 < :lp=|/usr/share/printconf/smbprint:\ --- > :af=/var/spool/lpd/bertha/bertha.acct:\ > :lp=|/usr/share/printconf/util/smbprint:\ 15c16 < :if=/usr/share/printconf/mf_wrapper: --- > :if=/usr/share/printconf/util/mf_wrapper: When I try to print a text file, here's what I get in /var/spool/lpd/bertha/status.bertha.. **************** IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter finished at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.300 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 printing finished at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.300 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 LP filter msg - 'cat: write error: Broken pipe' at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.301 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 waiting for printer filter to exit at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.301 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 accounting at end at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.301 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 finished 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran', status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.301 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4569 subserver pid 4569 exit status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.302 ## A=<NULL> number=0 process=4544 job 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran' attempt 2, trying 3 times at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.303 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4544 waiting for subserver to exit at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.307 ## A=<NULL> number=0 process=4544 attempt 3, sleeping 20 before retry at 2002-02-23-11:41:47.310 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 subserver pid 4594 starting at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.319 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 accounting at start at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.320 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 opening device '|/usr/share/printconf/util/smbprint' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.320 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 printing job 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.321 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 processing 'dfA543newguy.mills.curran', size 401, format 'f', IF filter 'mf_wrapper' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.322 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '--mfomatic -d bjc600-89152.foo' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.425 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '--mfomatic' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.430 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '-d' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.430 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'bjc600-89152.foo' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.431 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '-d bjc600-89152.foo' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.432 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'Case 3' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.433 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.434 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '1' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.434 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'mfomatic backend version $Revision running...' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.526 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: called with arguments: '-d','bjc600-89152.foo'' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.526 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: options: ''' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.540 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: printer def file bjc600-89152.foo' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.541 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</PageSize[612 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.574 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: ' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.575 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</MediaType(PlainPaper)>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.575 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</MediaWeight 80>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.575 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</PrintQuality(Normal)>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.576 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</BitsPerPixel 24>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.576 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: ' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.576 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</ProcessColorModel /DeviceCMYK>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.577 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</PrintColors 15>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.577 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'prepending: <</HWResolution[360 360]>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.577 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: running: gs -q -dBATCH -dSAFER -dQUIET -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=bjc600 -sOutputFile=- -' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.578 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: postscript job line1=>%!PS-Adobe-2.0' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.579 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.579 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '/usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl: prepended:' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.581 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'gs PID pid2=4616' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.582 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</PageSize[612 792]/ImagingBBox null>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.582 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.582 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</MediaType(PlainPaper)>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</MediaWeight 80>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</PrintQuality(Normal)>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</BitsPerPixel 24>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</ProcessColorModel /DeviceCMYK>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.583 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</PrintColors 15>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.584 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - '<</HWResolution[360 360]>>setpagedevice' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.584 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'closing *main::KID3' at 2002-02-23-11:42:07.586 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'closed *main::KID3' at 2002-02-23-11:42:08.287 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter msg - 'error closing *main::STDOUT at /usr/share/printconf/util/printconf_mfomatic.pl line 563, <KID4_IN> line 54.' at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.111 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 IF filter 'mf_wrapper' filter finished at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.112 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 printing finished at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.112 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 LP filter msg - 'cat: write error: Broken pipe' at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.112 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 waiting for printer filter to exit at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.112 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 accounting at end at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.112 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 finished 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran', status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.113 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4594 subserver pid 4594 exit status 'JFAIL' at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.114 ## A=<NULL> number=0 process=4544 job 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran', attempt 3, allowed 3 at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.115 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4544 send_failure_action 'JREMOVE' at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.115 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4544 job 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran', removing job - status JREMOVE at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.115 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4544 removing job 'cfA543newguy.mills.curran' - JREMOVE at 2002-02-23-11:42:11.116 ## A=<NULL> number=543 process=4544

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] HELP!! printer woes

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:47:08AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > HELP HELP HELP > > My printer setup has gone south as a result of the upgrade from 7.1 to > 7.2 at the install fest. I need help because I have real work to do > and no time... Generic canned answer - have you applied all updates? There have been quite a few updates that went by for printing in particular. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 16 Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | In school, every period ends with a bell. Every sentence ends with a period. Every crime ends with a sentence. -- Stephen Wright

Feb. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by Gary J. Hanley

What! You're were running Intel? Don't you know you should be running AMD for everything. :-) -- Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII) > I have an Abit BX6r2 that I no longer use. I was running a Celeron 566 > (nominally 66Mhz FSB) at a 100Mhz. A P3 850 uses the same multiplier, so it > will run on this board. > > It's also a great overclocking board. You won't get that with an Intel. > > I can bring it to the next meeting and you can test drive it first. If > you're interested, I'll let it go cheap. > > Clint Moyer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:40 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII) > > > > I'm broadening the search a bit, and was wondering if anyone can recommend > some local hardware shops... > > By way of repeating my situation, and giving a bit more detail, I have a > SECC2 (a.k.a. slot 1) PIII 850 processor that won't run on my motherboard > (an Intel SE440BX-2 Slot 1 type) because of motherboard rev issues. I am > offering a swap for a SECC2 PIII running at 550 or 600. > > I am also now looking to see if anyone knows of a local source for a > motherboard capable of running a Slot 1 PIIIs at 850. This is older > technology (Intel no longer make Slot 1), so I need to see what I can find > that is already in the distribution channel. > > I really like Intel boards, so Intel would be my first choice. Anyone know > of a local source, Intel or otherwise? > > Thanks! > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 23, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by Clint Moyer

I have an Abit BX6r2 that I no longer use. I was running a Celeron 566 (nominally 66Mhz FSB) at a 100Mhz. A P3 850 uses the same multiplier, so it will run on this board. It's also a great overclocking board. You won't get that with an Intel. I can bring it to the next meeting and you can test drive it first. If you're interested, I'll let it go cheap. Clint Moyer -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:40 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII) I'm broadening the search a bit, and was wondering if anyone can recommend some local hardware shops... By way of repeating my situation, and giving a bit more detail, I have a SECC2 (a.k.a. slot 1) PIII 850 processor that won't run on my motherboard (an Intel SE440BX-2 Slot 1 type) because of motherboard rev issues. I am offering a swap for a SECC2 PIII running at 550 or 600. I am also now looking to see if anyone knows of a local source for a motherboard capable of running a Slot 1 PIIIs at 850. This is older technology (Intel no longer make Slot 1), so I need to see what I can find that is already in the distribution channel. I really like Intel boards, so Intel would be my first choice. Anyone know of a local source, Intel or otherwise? Thanks! Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 08:49 AM 2/22/2002, Luke wrote: >Have you looked on ebay? Not yet. I was hoping to find a local source - I prefer to go local first, if I can. I'm sure I can buy one from the many distributors on the Web - even Intel said the product is still available, they just don't make it anymore... Steve

Feb. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by luke macneil

Feb. 22, 2002

Searching for motherboards (was trading PIII)

by Stephen C. Daukas

I'm broadening the search a bit, and was wondering if anyone can recommend some local hardware shops... By way of repeating my situation, and giving a bit more detail, I have a SECC2 (a.k.a. slot 1) PIII 850 processor that won't run on my motherboard (an Intel SE440BX-2 Slot 1 type) because of motherboard rev issues. I am offering a swap for a SECC2 PIII running at 550 or 600. I am also now looking to see if anyone knows of a local source for a motherboard capable of running a Slot 1 PIIIs at 850. This is older technology (Intel no longer make Slot 1), so I need to see what I can find that is already in the distribution channel. I really like Intel boards, so Intel would be my first choice. Anyone know of a local source, Intel or otherwise? Thanks! Steve

Feb. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Xfer mail from Outlook to...

by donald vitkus

take a look a the import and export option or copy to Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Anyone out there know how to get email out of Outlook/Exchange and > into something else? > > I use outlook at work, and also at home when doing stuff for work, but > want to get all that stuff into a flat file similar to what UNIX uses > (used?), which is also similar to what Eudora uses. In other words, I > want to get away from Outlook/exchange all together and get into a > format that is easily manipulated by scripts or easily imported into > other email applications. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > Regards, > Steve

Feb. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sorry ....

by Josh Huber

Malcolm Beaulieu <pctech(a)ece.wpi.edu> writes: > That wasn't intended for the list. Ah, Reply-To munging strikes again! -- Josh Huber

Feb. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter & servers?

by John Stoffel

Bill> Does anyone have any experience with Charter cable checking up Bill> on services? I have a couple of ssh holes in my firewall, which Bill> has not caused any trouble. Now, I'm considering hosting a very Bill> low bandwidth web site, but I'm concerned about Charter doing Bill> some port scanning and deciding that I'm doing something wrong. I don't think they'll give you too much grief, they haven't said a word to me about the SSH holes I have in my firewall as well. And since so many people on there are using PCs exposed to the outside world, how can they tell if you're providing a service, or have just been totally hacked and providing a web page for nefarious purposes. Bill> More detail... I'm involved with planning a summer camp for the Bill> Boy Scouts, and I think that bugzilla would be a great way to Bill> help track the myriad of tasks with the multiple volunteers. Bill> I'd probably set it up for SSL only. As an alternative, I could Bill> just set the few users up with ssh access & teach them how to Bill> set up port forwarding, but some of these guys have only MS Bill> experience. (Does the windows ssh support port forwarding?) I don't think they'll give a hoot on that. John

Feb. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Anyone interested in trading PIII CPU's?

by John Stoffel

Tim> That seems kind of odd. I would think you'd be able to run the Tim> 850 underclocked to 600 without any problems. The PIII chips are fixed clocks, you can't change the multiplier on them (like you could on the celerons). At least that's what I remember. As for a trade, I've got a suspect motherboard with a pair of PIII 450s (or so, I can't remember right now) that I'd be willing to sell/trade. I think the only thing I sorta maybe looking for is a really good sound card to use with Linux. My DELL Precision 610MT (dual PIII Xeon 550) has a crappy builtin sound card (which I can't get to work with ALSA) and I'm not happy with the Avance ALS4000 card I have either. I'll try to make the next thursday night meeting and bring stuff for trade/sell. John

Feb. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Anyone interested in trading PIII CPU's?

by Tim Keller

That seems kind of odd. I would think you'd be able to run the 850 underclocked to 600 without any problems. Tim. On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 16:46, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > So here is the sad and embarrassing story... > > It began at Christmastime when my father-in-law decided to give me two CPU > upgrades and a bunch of memory. To make a very long and sad story shorter, > the PIII 850 MHz CPU I got is not compatible with my motherboard (an Intel > SE2, specifically 720-series). So, I have a PIII 850 I can't use and was > wondering if anyone would like to swap a PIII 550 or 600 MHz for the PIII > 850. Yes, you read correctly, I am willing to trade down! > > If anyone is interested in the details, the following URL will give you all > you want to > know: http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/se2/se2_proc.htm. You > will note the listing of motherboard revisions in the third column of the > chart. You will also note that the 600 MHz PIII is the fastest chip my > board can support, it not being a 754-series board. > > Thanks, > Steve > > P.S., don't let Doug know about this... ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 21, 2002

Sorry ....

by Malcolm Beaulieu

That wasn't intended for the list. -Malcolm Malcolm Beaulieu wrote: > > If the pinout is the same, why not just run the 850 at 600? Then you > won't have to trade chips. You can always run slower, just not > faster. Good luck! > > -Malcolm > > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > >> So here is the sad and embarrassing story... >> >> It began at Christmastime when my father-in-law decided to give me >> two CPU upgrades and a bunch of memory. To make a very long and sad >> story shorter, the PIII 850 MHz CPU I got is not compatible with my >> motherboard (an Intel SE2, specifically 720-series). So, I have a >> PIII 850 I can't use and was wondering if anyone would like to swap a >> PIII 550 or 600 MHz for the PIII 850. Yes, you read correctly, I am >> willing to trade down! >> >> If anyone is interested in the details, the following URL will give >> you all you want to know: >> http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/se2/se2_proc.htm. You >> will note the listing of motherboard revisions in the third column of >> the chart. You will also note that the 600 MHz PIII is the fastest >> chip my board can support, it not being a 754-series board. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> P.S., don't let Doug know about this... ;-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Anyone interested in trading PIII CPU's?

by Malcolm Beaulieu

If the pinout is the same, why not just run the 850 at 600? Then you won't have to trade chips. You can always run slower, just not faster. Good luck! -Malcolm Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > So here is the sad and embarrassing story... > > It began at Christmastime when my father-in-law decided to give me two > CPU upgrades and a bunch of memory. To make a very long and sad story > shorter, the PIII 850 MHz CPU I got is not compatible with my > motherboard (an Intel SE2, specifically 720-series). So, I have a > PIII 850 I can't use and was wondering if anyone would like to swap a > PIII 550 or 600 MHz for the PIII 850. Yes, you read correctly, I am > willing to trade down! > > If anyone is interested in the details, the following URL will give > you all you want to know: > http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/se2/se2_proc.htm. You will > note the listing of motherboard revisions in the third column of the > chart. You will also note that the 600 MHz PIII is the fastest chip > my board can support, it not being a 754-series board. > > Thanks, > Steve > > P.S., don't let Doug know about this... ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 21, 2002

Charter & servers?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Does anyone have any experience with Charter cable checking up on services? I have a couple of ssh holes in my firewall, which has not caused any trouble. Now, I'm considering hosting a very low bandwidth web site, but I'm concerned about Charter doing some port scanning and deciding that I'm doing something wrong. More detail... I'm involved with planning a summer camp for the Boy Scouts, and I think that bugzilla would be a great way to help track the myriad of tasks with the multiple volunteers. I'd probably set it up for SSL only. As an alternative, I could just set the few users up with ssh access & teach them how to set up port forwarding, but some of these guys have only MS experience. (Does the windows ssh support port forwarding?) Opinions? TIA, Bill

Feb. 20, 2002

Anyone interested in trading PIII CPU's?

by Stephen C. Daukas

So here is the sad and embarrassing story... It began at Christmastime when my father-in-law decided to give me two CPU upgrades and a bunch of memory. To make a very long and sad story shorter, the PIII 850 MHz CPU I got is not compatible with my motherboard (an Intel SE2, specifically 720-series). So, I have a PIII 850 I can't use and was wondering if anyone would like to swap a PIII 550 or 600 MHz for the PIII 850. Yes, you read correctly, I am willing to trade down! If anyone is interested in the details, the following URL will give you all you want to know: http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/se2/se2_proc.htm. You will note the listing of motherboard revisions in the third column of the chart. You will also note that the 600 MHz PIII is the fastest chip my board can support, it not being a 754-series board. Thanks, Steve P.S., don't let Doug know about this... ;-)

Feb. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 12:10 AM 2/19/2002, Baris wrote: [...] >I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another >company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if >verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? Your only choice (so far as I know) for local phone calling is Verizon. The Town of Shrewsbury has plans to offer local calling (they currently offer long distance), but it is not yet available. DSL is separate from who your local phone service provider may happen to be... >Speaking about the cable choice, 'townisp' of Shrewsbury charges $50 for >a month of access with a speed limit of 25-30 KB/sec and a setup charge >of $99. and also a download limit of 2GB a month which is a real >drawback if you like to test new distributions like myself. I do not >think that their offer is attractive, am I wrong? I have Shrewsbury Cable. I opted for the business level package (500K Symmetric) because I wanted static IP and do run some servers... Overall, they have done a great job! No outages once they got rid of their initial subcontractor. There have only been two outages I can remember in well over a year, and they were planned. I received email a couple of weeks prior to the outage and the service is back up when they predicted. By the way, if you get CATV from the Town, they give you a $10 discount on the Internet connectivity (or something like that). >Anyways..., being new in the US I need recommendations on which way to >go for high speed internet access. I hope there are some people on this >list living in Shrewsbury and do have high speed internet access despite >Verizon Company. :) XO Communications used to offer DSL, but the CLEC they used went under without notice and left thousands without service. Fortunately, I had moved to Shrewsbury Cable just a few weeks prior to this event and was spared the loss of connectivity. You can always check dslreports.com to see what is available for your phone number... >Thank you very much, >baris >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 20, 2002

RE: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Mike

Verizon is the ILEC (Incumbent local exchange carrier) for this area and I think that there can only be one ILEC. The other companies are the CLECs (Competitive local exchange carrier). Personally I do not know about any CLECs for "local" phone service in this area but I have never sought them out ether. Nationwide there have been a few start-up CLECs for local service after the deregulation of the telecommunications industry but only a few of them survived (same with the dsl providers). They all faced the same problem of needing to use the ILEC's premises and wires. Although the deregulation process required the ILECs to allow this it didn't stop them from making it difficult for the new CLECs often times pushing court cases for such a time that the start-up went out of business before it could actually start up. I guess the big boys don't like the competition! > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:25 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury > --cut-- > > madcateast> > I am thinking of switching my local phone line > provider, perhaps another > madcateast> > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I > correct? Or if > madcateast> > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? > > Can you do this? Most locations only have one ILEC (Verizon in > our case) which > owns all the copper loops. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 03:09:59PM -0500, Mike wrote: madcateast> If Verizon doesn't offer DSL, I don't think anybody else can (they use madcateast> Verizon premises and equipment). Not true. Verizon always supplies the local loop, but they might not have the right equipment in a particular CO to provide DSL (a DSLAM). A CLEC (like Covad) might have the equipment in that CO. I know of at least one location where Verizon DSL wasn't available, but Speakeasy DSL was. madcateast> > I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another madcateast> > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if madcateast> > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? Can you do this? Most locations only have one ILEC (Verizon in our case) which owns all the copper loops. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Mike

If Verizon doesn't offer DSL, I don't think anybody else can (they use Verizon premises and equipment). On the other hand I do live in Shrewsbury and over all like the service very much. If you have cable service the cost with a modem was $45 for a 100k up load and 512k (64KB) down load limit. I feel that in practice the net doesn't offer much more speed than that most of the time unless the conditions are perfect and it is a large down load. Surfing pages, email, etc won't see a faster speed than that. So I don't feel that the limitation is all that significant. (other people with known faster potential connections my rebut this to add to my experience!). As far as the 2 gig limit I am willing to bet that I exceed this but I have never heard from them about it. Granted I do follow the rules about not running services on the system but I do have 5 systems behind a firewall along with a wireless network for my notebook. As far as the service it is rarely down. A few planned outages (early in the AM) for upgrades and maintenance is about it. Everything does work well. I would take the service over a modem any day and have no problems compared to people that I know with Verizon DSL (even SNET for that matter in CT which is also a PPPOE connection). Mike LaPointe Full time truck driver, Part time wanna-be sysadmin. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Baris Hasdemir > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:10 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] (off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury > > > Hi, > > I apologize for my slightly off topic question. But I need help on this > subject. > > I want to have high speed internet access that I can use with linux > without any problems. I mean I don't want to use PPPoE, if possible. I > live in Shrewsbury. Unfortunately verizon can not afford 'dsl'izing our > telephone line. (strange that my next door qualifies for DSL while we > can not) > > I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another > company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if > verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? > > Speaking about the cable choice, 'townisp' of Shrewsbury charges $50 for > a month of access with a speed limit of 25-30 KB/sec and a setup charge > of $99. and also a download limit of 2GB a month which is a real > drawback if you like to test new distributions like myself. I do not > think that their offer is attractive, am I wrong? > > Anyways..., being new in the US I need recommendations on which way to > go for high speed internet access. I hope there are some people on this > list living in Shrewsbury and do have high speed internet access despite > Verizon Company. :) > > Thank you very much, > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 19, 2002

(off topic) high speed internet access in shrewsbury

by Baris Hasdemir

Hi, I apologize for my slightly off topic question. But I need help on this subject. I want to have high speed internet access that I can use with linux without any problems. I mean I don't want to use PPPoE, if possible. I live in Shrewsbury. Unfortunately verizon can not afford 'dsl'izing our telephone line. (strange that my next door qualifies for DSL while we can not) I am thinking of switching my local phone line provider, perhaps another company may provide DSL on my telephone line? Am I correct? Or if verizon cannot do it, none of them can do it? Speaking about the cable choice, 'townisp' of Shrewsbury charges $50 for a month of access with a speed limit of 25-30 KB/sec and a setup charge of $99. and also a download limit of 2GB a month which is a real drawback if you like to test new distributions like myself. I do not think that their offer is attractive, am I wrong? Anyways..., being new in the US I need recommendations on which way to go for high speed internet access. I hope there are some people on this list living in Shrewsbury and do have high speed internet access despite Verizon Company. :) Thank you very much, baris

Feb. 19, 2002