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Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed, May 15th

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I have one person who has confirmed that he will bring his laptop to the meeting for a PLIP demonstration. Is there one other person who will do the same? Now, keep in mind that although one group member who shall remain nameless is notorious for yanking on power cords (most especially while they are still in use), it should be safe to be tethered to his laptop with my LapLink cable for the demo at the meeting. You have been warned! :-) Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 14 May 2002 08:53, dibb_jim(a)emc.com wrote: > Regarding the IDE hard drive going bad... can you elaborate more on the > symptoms? > > I've been trying to track down system instability on one of my systems > which is running *cough* XP pro. I think I've traced it down to a bad hard > drive, but I'm curious what symptoms you were seeing. > Thanks. At first, I was seeing random lockups (about one every two weeks). Sure, that could have been alot of things - bad memory, hot CPU, etc. I checked for all of these but found no problems. The failure seemed to only occur under load, so I ran 6 simultaneous Seti@Home jobs (on a 2 cpu machine), but then it refused to fail. One day, however, the disk started logging uncorrectable errors in the /var/log/messages file just before it locked up. It got bad enough that I had to work hard to recover a ReiserFS partition on that drive (did you know that ReiserFS has an fsck program? I do now!). I copied the data off of the drive, reformatted it, and put the data back. It worked fine for about 2 weeks, and then it got really bad (but still logging errors). I replaced the drive and have had no problems since. It was a 3 year old Seagate IDE drive (a little young by my standards and experience). Now, I have nothing but SCSI hard drives (I have yet to lose one of these, but I know that nothing lasts forever). Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 15, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks, Charles. I installed java 1.3.1 using directions that you gave me in march. That pop-ip installer never worked for me. Charles R. Anderson wrote: > After installation, do this (as root): > > cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > rm libjavaplugin_oji.so I had to put that one back into the plugin directory to get it to work. This is all under my home directory, in .mozilla/plugins and not where I installed mozilla. > > ln -s /usr/java/jre1.3.1/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so > > OR > > ln -s /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so > OK, I found two different places where the ns600 folder is. There's plugins/java2/i386/ns600/, and also plugins/plugin/i386/ns600. I made the sym link to the first one. Does it sound like I installed twice, from two different places? > > I would also try setting this environment variable before starting > Mozilla: > > bash$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 > > OR > > tcsh> setenv LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 2.2.5 > I didn't do that. What will it do, and should I know how to un-do it? > Then type mozilla in the same terminal window where you typed the export > or setenv command: > > bash$ mozilla > Oh, that reminds me of another problem. When I installed Mozilla 0.9.9, I didn't uninstall the older version. The old one still comes up when I select Mozilla from the SuSE menu. I put an alias in /etc/profile.local to call the new version up from command line. How involved is it to wipe out the old version and get the menu to point to the new one? I'm in fvwm2, so I suspect that messing with the menus is another subject entirely. I tried that before and had no luck. > More info is available about this problem at > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84093 > I looked at the bug report, and if I understand it correctly, they're talking about a consistent problem. Most of the time, I have no trouble with java. I tested it, and it does work after intalling 1.3.1. I'll have to go for awhile and see if it happens again. Thank you all for your help. Greg

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:59:36AM -0400, Baris Hasdemir wrote: penguen> if you are using java 1.4, I recommend using version 1.3.1_03 . penguen> 1.4 causes more problems. penguen> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html If you installed Java via the plugin installer window that pops up when going to a Java site for the first time, it installs the out of date version 1.3.0. I would recommend scrapping that version and getting 1.3.1 also. After installation, do this (as root): cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins rm libjavaplugin_oji.so ln -s /usr/java/jre1.3.1/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so OR ln -s /usr/java/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so (Directory names may be different for your installation. Just find where the ns600 version of libjavaplugin_oji.so is and symlink it into your mozilla/plugins directory) I would also try setting this environment variable before starting Mozilla: bash$ export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 OR tcsh> setenv LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 2.2.5 Then type mozilla in the same terminal window where you typed the export or setenv command: bash$ mozilla More info is available about this problem at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84093 -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

May 14, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Locked up

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Regarding the IDE hard drive going bad... can you elaborate more on the symptoms? I've been trying to track down system instability on one of my systems which is running *cough* XP pro. I think I've traced it down to a bad hard drive, but I'm curious what symptoms you were seeing. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:14 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org; Gregory Avedissian Subject: Re: [Wlug] Locked up On Tuesday 14 May 2002 01:05, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Still? I don't know, as I've never logged in remotely. Can I do this > from a friend's house next time it locks up? I'm not set up as a server, > and I don't really know what I'd need to change to do that. > > Could I do it with the parallel port connection that Andy is going to > talk about on Wednesday? > > Greg HI Greg, If you setup the parallel port connection between two computers (A and B) and insure that its working, when computer A locks up, you could try logging in over the parallel port connection from computer B to see if it really locked up or simply not responding to keyboard/mouse input. Lockups really stink. It took me several weeks to finally figure out my problem (an IDE hard drive slowly going bad). Memtest is great - definitely try it out. I would also recommend the Cerberus Test Control System program (ctcs). It is the program used by VA Linux to burn in their hardware. It does some *really* stressful things to the hardware and will find anything that is flaky (supposedly). Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 14 May 2002 01:05, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Still? I don't know, as I've never logged in remotely. Can I do this > from a friend's house next time it locks up? I'm not set up as a server, > and I don't really know what I'd need to change to do that. > > Could I do it with the parallel port connection that Andy is going to > talk about on Wednesday? > > Greg HI Greg, If you setup the parallel port connection between two computers (A and B) and insure that its working, when computer A locks up, you could try logging in over the parallel port connection from computer B to see if it really locked up or simply not responding to keyboard/mouse input. Lockups really stink. It took me several weeks to finally figure out my problem (an IDE hard drive slowly going bad). Memtest is great - definitely try it out. I would also recommend the Cerberus Test Control System program (ctcs). It is the program used by VA Linux to burn in their hardware. It does some *really* stressful things to the hardware and will find anything that is flaky (supposedly). Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Karl Hiramoto

First I would try and eliminate the possibility that it's a HW problem. Try Memetest86 http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/ Run it overnight, or better yet, 24+ hours. If you see ONE error you have a big problem. If Memtest86 doesn't find anything, chances are that your Memory, Mobo are good. It's good for finding memory, mobo, and cpu problems. What kind of memory? ECC? Have scrubbing turned on? So it happens under both linux and windowz? If it happens uder two OS's there is a good chance it is a hardware problem or a BIOS configuration issue. Reset you BIOS to "Safe Values", Borrow a keyboard and see if that fixes it. It would be a cheap fix if that's all it is. Like Michael said, try and login remotely next time it happens. I HATE LOCKUPS. The worst are when you have broken memory/mobo. Memtest 86 is good at finding those. On Tue, 14 May 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Sometimes my computer locks up completely, so that neither the mouse nor > the keyboard will work. I'm running SuSE 7.2 on an Athlon 1.2GHz/Shuttle > Spacewalker AK12A, 256M memory. > > It seems to happen when I'm in a chat room. Running Mozilla 0.9.9 with > recent Java plugin, also running Yahoo Instant Messenger, and it seems > like things were loading very slowly in the chatroom all the times this > had happened. I'm on a dialup line, so when I say slow, I mean like > go-and-make-tea slow. Otherwise, the connection is ok (46.6K) when > loading other pages. > > ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, alt-F2,3 etc. does nothing, same for > ctrl-D, ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, ctrl-alt-Fx. I had to hit the kill switch. This > last time, it wasn't too bad, but the time before this, rebooting to > linux was pretty scary. This only happens once every couple of weeks. > > I'm suspicious of the keyboard, because it persisted once when I > rebooted to win98, then it cleared when I rebooted once more, first > wiggling the wire where it goes into the keyboard. > > Does it sound at all like a software problem, or should I just ignore it > and replace the keyboard? And is there some other way to bail out that I > haven't tried? > > > Thanks, > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø QOTD: Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Baris Hasdemir

hi, if you are using java 1.4, I recommend using version 1.3.1_03 . 1.4 causes more problems. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html best wishes, baris On Tue, 14 May 2002 00:03:04 -0400 Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Sometimes my computer locks up completely, so that neither the mouse nor > the keyboard will work. I'm running SuSE 7.2 on an Athlon 1.2GHz/Shuttle > Spacewalker AK12A, 256M memory. > > It seems to happen when I'm in a chat room. Running Mozilla 0.9.9 with > recent Java plugin, also running Yahoo Instant Messenger, and it seems > like things were loading very slowly in the chatroom all the times this > had happened. I'm on a dialup line, so when I say slow, I mean like > go-and-make-tea slow. Otherwise, the connection is ok (46.6K) when > loading other pages. > > ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, alt-F2,3 etc. does nothing, same for > ctrl-D, ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, ctrl-alt-Fx. I had to hit the kill switch. This > last time, it wasn't too bad, but the time before this, rebooting to > linux was pretty scary. This only happens once every couple of weeks. > > I'm suspicious of the keyboard, because it persisted once when I > rebooted to win98, then it cleared when I rebooted once more, first > wiggling the wire where it goes into the keyboard. > > Does it sound at all like a software problem, or should I just ignore it > and replace the keyboard? And is there some other way to bail out that I > haven't tried? > > > Thanks, > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Gregory Avedissian

Still? I don't know, as I've never logged in remotely. Can I do this from a friend's house next time it locks up? I'm not set up as a server, and I don't really know what I'd need to change to do that. Could I do it with the parallel port connection that Andy is going to talk about on Wednesday? Greg Michael Frysinger wrote: > you describe issues via just the mouse and keyboard. > can you still login remotely to the computer ? > i.e. can you ssh/telnet into it, or even get a ping response ? > -mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 00:03 > Subject: [Wlug] Locked up > > > >>Sometimes my computer locks up completely, so that neither the mouse nor >>the keyboard will work. I'm running SuSE 7.2 on an Athlon 1.2GHz/Shuttle >>Spacewalker AK12A, 256M memory. >> >>It seems to happen when I'm in a chat room. Running Mozilla 0.9.9 with >>recent Java plugin, also running Yahoo Instant Messenger, and it seems >>like things were loading very slowly in the chatroom all the times this >>had happened. I'm on a dialup line, so when I say slow, I mean like >>go-and-make-tea slow. Otherwise, the connection is ok (46.6K) when >>loading other pages. >> >>ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, alt-F2,3 etc. does nothing, same for >>ctrl-D, ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, ctrl-alt-Fx. I had to hit the kill switch. This >>last time, it wasn't too bad, but the time before this, rebooting to >>linux was pretty scary. This only happens once every couple of weeks. >> >>I'm suspicious of the keyboard, because it persisted once when I >>rebooted to win98, then it cleared when I rebooted once more, first >>wiggling the wire where it goes into the keyboard. >> >>Does it sound at all like a software problem, or should I just ignore it >>and replace the keyboard? And is there some other way to bail out that I >>haven't tried? >> >> >>Thanks, >>Greg >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 14, 2002

Locked up

by Gregory Avedissian

Sometimes my computer locks up completely, so that neither the mouse nor the keyboard will work. I'm running SuSE 7.2 on an Athlon 1.2GHz/Shuttle Spacewalker AK12A, 256M memory. It seems to happen when I'm in a chat room. Running Mozilla 0.9.9 with recent Java plugin, also running Yahoo Instant Messenger, and it seems like things were loading very slowly in the chatroom all the times this had happened. I'm on a dialup line, so when I say slow, I mean like go-and-make-tea slow. Otherwise, the connection is ok (46.6K) when loading other pages. ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, alt-F2,3 etc. does nothing, same for ctrl-D, ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, ctrl-alt-Fx. I had to hit the kill switch. This last time, it wasn't too bad, but the time before this, rebooting to linux was pretty scary. This only happens once every couple of weeks. I'm suspicious of the keyboard, because it persisted once when I rebooted to win98, then it cleared when I rebooted once more, first wiggling the wire where it goes into the keyboard. Does it sound at all like a software problem, or should I just ignore it and replace the keyboard? And is there some other way to bail out that I haven't tried? Thanks, Greg

May 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Locked up

by Michael Frysinger

you describe issues via just the mouse and keyboard. can you still login remotely to the computer ? i.e. can you ssh/telnet into it, or even get a ping response ? -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 00:03 Subject: [Wlug] Locked up > Sometimes my computer locks up completely, so that neither the mouse nor > the keyboard will work. I'm running SuSE 7.2 on an Athlon 1.2GHz/Shuttle > Spacewalker AK12A, 256M memory. > > It seems to happen when I'm in a chat room. Running Mozilla 0.9.9 with > recent Java plugin, also running Yahoo Instant Messenger, and it seems > like things were loading very slowly in the chatroom all the times this > had happened. I'm on a dialup line, so when I say slow, I mean like > go-and-make-tea slow. Otherwise, the connection is ok (46.6K) when > loading other pages. > > ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing, alt-F2,3 etc. does nothing, same for > ctrl-D, ctrl-C, ctrl-Z, ctrl-alt-Fx. I had to hit the kill switch. This > last time, it wasn't too bad, but the time before this, rebooting to > linux was pretty scary. This only happens once every couple of weeks. > > I'm suspicious of the keyboard, because it persisted once when I > rebooted to win98, then it cleared when I rebooted once more, first > wiggling the wire where it goes into the keyboard. > > Does it sound at all like a software problem, or should I just ignore it > and replace the keyboard? And is there some other way to bail out that I > haven't tried? > > > Thanks, > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed, May 15th

by Robert L Krawitz

From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:10:48 -0400 At this meeting, Andy Stewart will give a short presentation about his recent experiences with PLIP (Parallel Line Internet Protocol). The Linux PLIP software allows the user to connect two computers together via their printer ports. A network is run between the parallel interfaces. If you ever wanted to build a cheap, quick (as in rapid setup), and dirty point-to-point network that actually functions, this is it. Speaking of parallel port hacking, I want to do some parallel port line sniffing to determine exactly what command sequence the Windows driver sends to a particular printer. Has anyone done anything like this? Is the simplest thing likely to be to simply set up Samba on the Linux box and strace it? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

May 13, 2002

REMINDER: Meeting Wed, May 15th

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held this Wednesday evening, May 15th, at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus. At this meeting, Andy Stewart will give a short presentation about his recent experiences with PLIP (Parallel Line Internet Protocol). The Linux PLIP software allows the user to connect two computers together via their printer ports. A network is run between the parallel interfaces. If you ever wanted to build a cheap, quick (as in rapid setup), and dirty point-to-point network that actually functions, this is it. If two people would like to bring their laptops, I'll bring the cable and we can try a live demo. Be sure you have parport, parport_pc, and plip compiled as modules. My cable has male DB25 connectors. As I don't expect the PLIP presentation to be lengthy, if there are others who would like to do a quick presentation, please let me know. Afterwards, we'll visit the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer. All are invited to attend. See ya later! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

May 13, 2002

Compaq auction

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

http://www.dovebid.com/Auctions/AuctionDetail.asp?AuctionID=1260 Compaq out of Houston, TX is having a webcast auction on 5/14 of a bunch of their stuff (check the equipment catalog), ranging from the office TVs and video projectors, to monitors, servers, storage arrays, desktops, individual cards, etc. Looks like some nice stuff. 8) I thought that you guys might be interested in perhaps picking up something, hopefully on the inexpensive side. Sorry for the late notice, though. -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

May 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Lee Keyser-Allen

I just have to say since I managed to spawn such an impressive thread that it was 100% user error on my part ... The real problem is that I have a number of friends that use reply-to: and actually would like things sent there instead, so I have developed the habit of just hitting return whenever my helpful mailer decides to ask me that fateful question. Of course I could have (as Chuck so helpfully suggests) double checked the place where I was sending it as well, so I think that I can pretty confidently take full credit for this one. If someone would like to blame the list, don't let me get in the way, but in reality it's just a blunder of habit. Cheers, all! (P.S. yes, this one really is intended to go to the list :-P) On Thu, 9 May 2002, Josh Huber wrote: > "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > Yes. They should check the To: and Cc: headers for every single > > message they send, whether it is a personal message or not, on a > > mailing list or not. I don't think this is unreasonable. > > Well, okay. I almost always check the headers, but it is nice to have > consistency -- hit the reply key to send a message to the author of > the message you're reading. Hit the followup key to reply to everyone > (or, perhaps the Mail-Followup-To header contents). Hit the list > reply key to only reply to the list. I like the idea that from list > to list, you get a consistant behavior, with no surprises. (well, very > few hopefully ;) > > > huber> of them perform reply-to munging. So...I'm not sure what > > huber> lists you're subscribed to, but I find it odd that the > > huber> statistics are so > > > > The ISC's lists such as dhcp-server. > > Okay. Perhaps my stats are skewed because of the large number of > lists from lists.debian.org and lists.linuxppc.org which I'm > subscribed to. After checking I did notice one other list which does > this (making it 4 total, ~10%). > > > I don't really care either way, since I always check the To: and Cc: > > headers before hitting the final send button. In addition, my > > mailer asks "Reply to foo(a)bar.baz?" when a reply-to exists. > > Indeed, this is sensible behavior and would avoid most mistakes. > However, maybe most people are not using a sensible mailer? > (cheap-shot) > > > If people feel that it would be more appropriate to not munge the > > header in the mailing list software, it wouldn't bother me if it was > > changed. > > Well, you have my vote to have it removed. Of course, it's ultimately > up to the list admin. > > -- Lee Keyser-Allen lkeyser(a)wpi.edu WPI CS 2002

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Josh Huber

"Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Yes. They should check the To: and Cc: headers for every single > message they send, whether it is a personal message or not, on a > mailing list or not. I don't think this is unreasonable. Well, okay. I almost always check the headers, but it is nice to have consistency -- hit the reply key to send a message to the author of the message you're reading. Hit the followup key to reply to everyone (or, perhaps the Mail-Followup-To header contents). Hit the list reply key to only reply to the list. I like the idea that from list to list, you get a consistant behavior, with no surprises. (well, very few hopefully ;) > huber> of them perform reply-to munging. So...I'm not sure what > huber> lists you're subscribed to, but I find it odd that the > huber> statistics are so > > The ISC's lists such as dhcp-server. Okay. Perhaps my stats are skewed because of the large number of lists from lists.debian.org and lists.linuxppc.org which I'm subscribed to. After checking I did notice one other list which does this (making it 4 total, ~10%). > I don't really care either way, since I always check the To: and Cc: > headers before hitting the final send button. In addition, my > mailer asks "Reply to foo(a)bar.baz?" when a reply-to exists. Indeed, this is sensible behavior and would avoid most mistakes. However, maybe most people are not using a sensible mailer? (cheap-shot) > If people feel that it would be more appropriate to not munge the > header in the mailing list software, it wouldn't bother me if it was > changed. Well, you have my vote to have it removed. Of course, it's ultimately up to the list admin. -- Josh Huber

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 03:31:10PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: huber> Well, people are used to hitting reply to send a personal reply. huber> Should people have to check the headers for every list they're on? Yes. They should check the To: and Cc: headers for every single message they send, whether it is a personal message or not, on a mailing list or not. I don't think this is unreasonable. huber> of them perform reply-to munging. So...I'm not sure what lists you're huber> subscribed to, but I find it odd that the statistics are so The ISC's lists such as dhcp-server. huber> Now, it doesn't really affect me, since I just set broken-reply-to for huber> the wlug group, and it ignores the header, but I just like causing huber> trouble so I thought I'd mention it. ;) I don't really care either way, since I always check the To: and Cc: headers before hitting the final send button. In addition, my mailer asks "Reply to foo(a)bar.baz?" when a reply-to exists. If people feel that it would be more appropriate to not munge the header in the mailing list software, it wouldn't bother me if it was changed. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Josh Huber

"Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > What's even more interesting is that people don't check the headers > before sending email. Well, people are used to hitting reply to send a personal reply. Should people have to check the headers for every list they're on? > Most lists I'm on set the Reply-to: to the mailing list, and I've > never seen even one personal message accidentally sent to the list. Except for the one in this thread, right? Or did you not see that? ;) For the record, out of the 40 mailing lists I'm subscribed to only 3 of them perform reply-to munging. So...I'm not sure what lists you're subscribed to, but I find it odd that the statistics are so different. Almost as as for the other two lists which perform the munging, they are non-technical lists -- ALL other linux/development lists I'm on do not do this. Now, it doesn't really affect me, since I just set broken-reply-to for the wlug group, and it ignores the header, but I just like causing trouble so I thought I'd mention it. ;) have a nice day! -- Josh Huber

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:34:08PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > Indeed, it's pretty interesting that even after several people have > accidentally posted private messages to the list this broken header > munging still takes place. On a technical list no less! http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts')" (By Olaf Kirch)

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:34:08PM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: huber> Indeed, it's pretty interesting that even after several people have huber> accidentally posted private messages to the list this broken header huber> munging still takes place. On a technical list no less! What's even more interesting is that people don't check the headers before sending email. Most lists I'm on set the Reply-to: to the mailing list, and I've never seen even one personal message accidentally sent to the list. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Josh Huber

Lee Keyser-Allen <lkeyser(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Doh.. damn reply-to: address Indeed, it's pretty interesting that even after several people have accidentally posted private messages to the list this broken header munging still takes place. On a technical list no less! ttyl, -- Josh Huber

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Lee Keyser-Allen

Doh.. damn reply-to: address :P -- Lee Keyser-Allen lkeyser(a)wpi.edu WPI CS 2002

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Lee Keyser-Allen

On Thu, 9 May 2002, Greg Donovan wrote: > We are seeking a consultant to perform some work for a customer of ours > leveraging Linux kernel and SCSI skills. It is a two month+ assignment with > a customer here in the Boston area. The work would be performed full time > on our customer's site. Here is a brief description of the work: What is the approximate time frame for this job (when would it start?) I have extensive Linux driver development experience, but I wouldn't be available until mid-july. If that still works for you, you can find my resume at http://www.jumblebox.com/~lkeyser/resume.html Cheers, Lee -- Lee Keyser-Allen lkeyser(a)wpi.edu WPI CS 2002

May 9, 2002

2 month + Linux Kernel consulting job

by Greg Donovan

Dear WLUG, Thank you for allowing me to send this communication to your members. Optimal Engineering Partners provides embedded software and hardware development expertise within the communications, wireless, storage, and medical industries. Cumulatively the founding employees of Optimal Engineering possess many years of knowledge and contacts within these sectors, and the extent of our expertise within this space will be evident in the quality and responsiveness of the services we provide. We are seeking a consultant to perform some work for a customer of ours leveraging Linux kernel and SCSI skills. It is a two month+ assignment with a customer here in the Boston area. The work would be performed full time on our customer's site. Here is a brief description of the work: Our client is completing a port of Linux 2.42 to their fault tolerant platform and need assistance in finishing the effort. Must have strong debugging skills, storage SCSI or Fiber Channel and Linux kernel experience. Linux SCSI is a major plus. Please feel free to contact me if you or someone you know might be a match for this role. We pay a generous referral fee. Thank you. -Greg Greg Donovan OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Resources and Expertise for Embedded Systems Development" (978) 256-1113 ext 103 gdonovan(a)optimaleng.com

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] stderr v. stdout

by jkinz＠ultranet.com

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 09:41:07AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I can't believe I'm revisiting this yet again... I'm struggling with > identifying "standard practice" for deciding when to write to stdout > v. stderr. In particular, I'm working with processes associated with > software maintenance (building, copying, SCM, etc.). I'd love to find > a definitive whitepaper on the subject. Does anyone have any Bill - I don't think I've ever seen a whitepaper addressing this particular subject, but the standard practice is very easy to identify. I have a very straightforward approach to this issue. 1. For all Unix commands - say nothing unless the command fails or encounters an error condition. All error messages go to stderr. 2. For all filters (programs which produce output on stdout) only the normal program output goes to stdout. Many normal Unix commands can be used as filters. Like "ls" for example. All error messages go to stderr. 3. Any debugging info activated by command line options or environment variables should go to stderr. For tools used in building software, like "make" emulate make's behavior which follows rule 1 above. Commands executed by make are echoed to stdout and all diagnostic info is directed to stderr. If you invoke the following makefile with the command "make 1>/dev/null" you will see only the diagnostic output. Invoked by just "makefile" gives you both. ###### Makefile starts here. all: boo foo boo: echo "stdout OUTPUT" > /dev/null foo: glarf STDERR ONLY nadba ############# makefile ends here.

May 9, 2002

stderr v. stdout

by Bill Mills-Curran

I can't believe I'm revisiting this yet again... I'm struggling with identifying "standard practice" for deciding when to write to stdout v. stderr. In particular, I'm working with processes associated with software maintenance (building, copying, SCM, etc.). I'd love to find a definitive whitepaper on the subject. Does anyone have any pointers? TIA, Bill

May 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] timezone

by Baris Hasdemir

yes it has timeconfig baris On Wed, 8 May 2002 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > It's been a couple of years since i've used slack. > > But redhat has a util called "tzselect" > debian has a util called "tzconfig" > > does slack have anything similar? > > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > > hi, > > > > I have a strange-for-me problem. I am one of those paranoid guys, who has > > added"ntpdate time.nist.gov" to the crontab to be executed every day. > > > > the problem is that, every night the system time is set 1 hour earlier of > > the actual time. i.e it is executed at 23:00 and is set to 22:00 after > > ntpdate, as far as I could observe. I am pretty confused about the subject. > > Tried different timezone names, etc, hence more confused. > > > > I also have a problem with the name of the timezone. which timezone name do > > you choose guys? US/Eastern? America/Newyork? GMT+5? EST? EDT? or any other? > > I am using slackware-current. set the timezone to America/New_York and > > whenever I send a mail, sylpheed shows my timezone as GMT-4 and > > #date > > shows my timezone as EDT. > > > > any comments. other than removing the crontab job? :) > > > > thanks, > > baris > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > To generalize is to be an idiot. > -- William Blake > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] timezone

by Karl Hiramoto

It's been a couple of years since i've used slack. But redhat has a util called "tzselect" debian has a util called "tzconfig" does slack have anything similar? On Wed, 8 May 2002, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > hi, > > I have a strange-for-me problem. I am one of those paranoid guys, who has added > "ntpdate time.nist.gov" to the crontab to be executed every day. > > the problem is that, every night the system time is set 1 hour earlier of the > actual time. i.e it is executed at 23:00 and is set to 22:00 after ntpdate, as > far as I could observe. I am pretty confused about the subject. Tried different > timezone names, etc, hence more confused. > > I also have a problem with the name of the timezone. which timezone name do you > choose guys? US/Eastern? America/Newyork? GMT+5? EST? EDT? or any other? I am > using slackware-current. set the timezone to America/New_York and whenever I > send a mail, sylpheed shows my timezone as GMT-4 and > #date > shows my timezone as EDT. > > any comments. other than removing the crontab job? :) > > thanks, > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø To generalize is to be an idiot. -- William Blake

May 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Josh Huber

jeff <jmr71769(a)earthlink.net> writes: > you have my vote for apt-get ;) Yes, apt-get is nice but it does miss some things since it doesn't handle Recommends, etc. > dselect isn't bad...if you spare the time to learn it... Indeed. But, I really hate dselect. Personally, I think aptitude is a _much_ better frontend to the packaging system. If you do upgrade from potato to woody, make sure after changing your sources.list to woody you upgrade dpkg and apt-get first, and install apt-utils: <edit /etc/apt/sources.list> apt-get update apt-get install dpkg apt-get apt-utils apt-get dist-upgrade done. ;) ttyl, -- Josh Huber

May 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] timezone

by Michael Frysinger

i have ntpd constantly running and my /etc/localtime is linked to /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern ... this is Slackware 8.0 running hwclock shows my time as the current time that it should be ... the /usr/share/zoneinfo/ setup seems to be distro dependent so only slackware peeps should be able to give help on this one ... -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baris Hasdemir" <penguen(a)hasdemir.com> To: "wlug" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 05:04 Subject: [Wlug] timezone > hi, > > I have a strange-for-me problem. I am one of those paranoid guys, who has added > "ntpdate time.nist.gov" to the crontab to be executed every day. > > the problem is that, every night the system time is set 1 hour earlier of the > actual time. i.e it is executed at 23:00 and is set to 22:00 after ntpdate, as > far as I could observe. I am pretty confused about the subject. Tried different > timezone names, etc, hence more confused. > > I also have a problem with the name of the timezone. which timezone name do you > choose guys? US/Eastern? America/Newyork? GMT+5? EST? EDT? or any other? I am > using slackware-current. set the timezone to America/New_York and whenever I > send a mail, sylpheed shows my timezone as GMT-4 and > #date > shows my timezone as EDT. > > any comments. other than removing the crontab job? :) > > thanks, > baris > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 8, 2002

timezone

by Baris Hasdemir

hi, I have a strange-for-me problem. I am one of those paranoid guys, who has added "ntpdate time.nist.gov" to the crontab to be executed every day. the problem is that, every night the system time is set 1 hour earlier of the actual time. i.e it is executed at 23:00 and is set to 22:00 after ntpdate, as far as I could observe. I am pretty confused about the subject. Tried different timezone names, etc, hence more confused. I also have a problem with the name of the timezone. which timezone name do you choose guys? US/Eastern? America/Newyork? GMT+5? EST? EDT? or any other? I am using slackware-current. set the timezone to America/New_York and whenever I send a mail, sylpheed shows my timezone as GMT-4 and #date shows my timezone as EDT. any comments. other than removing the crontab job? :) thanks, baris

May 8, 2002

nvidia drivers, re-visited and working

by Brad Noyes

Hi All, You may remember that earlier this year i was having difficulty in getting the nvidia drivers to work with my TNT card. Today i figured out the problem. I needed to enable 'Assign IRQ to VGA' in my BIOS. Things seem to work, except some re-draws are slow for X-term, and konsole. --brad

May 8, 2002

Cheap colo!

by Adam Keck

It's not linux, but it is reasonable, finally. http://www.johncompanies.com/collocation/ -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by jeff

Chuck Homic wrote: > > On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 03:24:30PM -0700, Jeremy wrote: > > I'll have to get used to dselect and all the related apt apps. > > Ughh.... dselect. I recommend *don't* get used to dselect, and just use > apt-get for everything. Flame war? > > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug you have my vote for apt-get ;) dselect isn't bad...if you spare the time to learn it... p.s. who be goin' to episode 2? :) peace -jeff

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 03:24:30PM -0700, Jeremy wrote: > I'll have to get used to dselect and all the related apt apps. Ughh.... dselect. I recommend *don't* get used to dselect, and just use apt-get for everything. Flame war? -Chuck

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

Ok, thinks are looking better. I'll be happy once I can ssh into the box and setup everything remotely. I'll have to get used to dselect and all the related apt apps. --- Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > > acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those > > little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and > > booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer > > just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it > > should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel > > errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules > > missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the > > install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato. > > Damn, I picked a bad time to suggest trying woody. This problem is > fixed in sid, and can be fixed by moving /etc/inittab.real to > /etc/inittab. See: > > <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145434> > <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145469> > > > We'll see :-) > > Yeah, you could install potato and dist-upgrade to woody as an > alternative, but apart from that little annoying loop bug, woody would > be a better choice. > > The 1.33.18 package is in sid, and hopefully will move into woody by > tomorrow. > > here are the versions for each release: > > base-config | 0.33.2 | stable | source, alpha, arm, i386, m68k, > powerpc, sparc > base-config | 1.33.17 | testing | source, all > base-config | 1.33.18 | unstable | source, all > > ttyl, > > -- > Josh Huber __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Josh Huber

Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those > little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and > booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer > just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it > should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel > errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules > missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the > install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato. Damn, I picked a bad time to suggest trying woody. This problem is fixed in sid, and can be fixed by moving /etc/inittab.real to /etc/inittab. See: <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145434> <URL:http://bugs.debian.org/145469> > We'll see :-) Yeah, you could install potato and dist-upgrade to woody as an alternative, but apart from that little annoying loop bug, woody would be a better choice. The 1.33.18 package is in sid, and hopefully will move into woody by tomorrow. here are the versions for each release: base-config | 0.33.2 | stable | source, alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc base-config | 1.33.17 | testing | source, all base-config | 1.33.18 | unstable | source, all ttyl, -- Josh Huber

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

acutally i figured it out :-) I had SCSI voodoo. Amazing how those little jumpers make a difference... The installer worked and booted. But I still think "woody" has bugs in it. The installer just loops when after I finish setting up the password info; it should ask about PPP, but never does. I do rememeber seeing kernel errors on booting (live not floppy) about PPP/serial modules missing. So i am trying different various of modules during the install. I may have to go to the stable which i think is potato. We'll see :-) -J --- Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > > They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even > > partition maps? > > Well, no there aren't different flavors of ext2 -- unless your > original installation is SO old that it was from the days when powerpc > ext2 was stored in big-endian format on disk. > > As for the partition table, yes there are different types of partition > tables, but if you were using MacOS with that computer successfully, > you were probably using an Apple partition table. > > What kind of output do you see? Any messages in the kernel log? How > about /proc/partitions? > > What kind of output do you see in the dmesg about the Partition check: > > Partition check: > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac] p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 > > is what I see... > > What distribution are you trying? > > -- > Josh Huber > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Josh Huber

Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even > partition maps? Well, no there aren't different flavors of ext2 -- unless your original installation is SO old that it was from the days when powerpc ext2 was stored in big-endian format on disk. As for the partition table, yes there are different types of partition tables, but if you were using MacOS with that computer successfully, you were probably using an Apple partition table. What kind of output do you see? Any messages in the kernel log? How about /proc/partitions? What kind of output do you see in the dmesg about the Partition check: Partition check: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: [mac] p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 is what I see... What distribution are you trying? -- Josh Huber

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

I got it to boot using floppies, but for some reason it didnt recognize the original disk partitions.... It saw the drives but unable to read the maps. I was hoping not to reformat everything... Any ideas anyone? They are ext2 fs. Are there different flavors of ext2? or of even partition maps? --- Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > > Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian > > but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the > > other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try > > on my 7500. > > Hmm, yeah well...the installer needs work, I know. The woody > installer is a lot better though, so you might want to give it a try. > > > If i can boot via open firmware that would golden! > > Yeah, can you get video output from OF on the 7500? Perhaps with > updated OF patches from apple you could use OF if it doesn't work > right now. booting via quik is much better than using BootX ;) > > ttyl, > > -- > Josh Huber > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Josh Huber

Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian > but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the > other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try > on my 7500. Hmm, yeah well...the installer needs work, I know. The woody installer is a lot better though, so you might want to give it a try. > If i can boot via open firmware that would golden! Yeah, can you get video output from OF on the 7500? Perhaps with updated OF patches from apple you could use OF if it doesn't work right now. booting via quik is much better than using BootX ;) ttyl, -- Josh Huber

May 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

Bender lives on! Sadly Futurama wont! :( yeah i thought about debian but the last two installs i tried sucked! Once on a sparc and the other was on my B&W. RTMF :-) Maybe I'll give debian one last try on my 7500. If i can boot via open firmware that would golden! -J --- Josh Huber <huber(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > > Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? > > My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall > > it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM > > drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will > > just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone > > (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be > > good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install > > BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC > > install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from > > linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. > > YDL seemed like a good choice for now. > > Ah, good old bender? > > I don't have an external cdrom drive, but you could try dding the > debian recsue floppy to a disk and booting/installing from that: > > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-powerpc/current/p… > > I think that image is for booting older machines. But, I don't know > and I'm not sure if that image even works ;) > > YMMV. (debian is nice though...) > > ttyl, > > -- > Josh Huber > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Josh Huber

Jeremy <mcotis(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? > My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall > it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM > drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will > just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone > (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be > good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install > BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC > install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from > linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. > YDL seemed like a good choice for now. Ah, good old bender? I don't have an external cdrom drive, but you could try dding the debian recsue floppy to a disk and booting/installing from that: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/disks-powerpc/current/p… I think that image is for booting older machines. But, I don't know and I'm not sure if that image even works ;) YMMV. (debian is nice though...) ttyl, -- Josh Huber

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

Dont be knocking us mac user :) j/k This linux box has been solid for 3 years. Which equals three years of duplicate/old files in usr and usr/local and other misc junk; mad admin skills i know/ anyone hiring? :) I'll let you know about the Plextor later in the week. TIA, J --- doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> wrote: > Hi > > Jeremy wrote: > > > > Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? > > My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with > > YDL. > > I can beat you on that "old". I have a Plextor PX-65CS which I bought > Dec 8, 1995 :-). Seriously, if it would be any use to you, you are > welcome to try it. It has a two fifty pin centronics connectors (and I > have a cable from that to a twenty five pin connector). It uses a caddy > but I suspect that is no problem. I assume it will be about as slow > as you can get given its birth date. If you cannot do better, feel > free to try it. > > > Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to > work! > > Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to > age/heat. > > So I was hoping someone (near WPI) > > I am out in Shrewsbury but my son-in-law is in at Worcester Academy > (Steve Daukas, WLUG too) so he might serve as a go-between but I'll > not do anything re scheduling there until I hear from you. > > > had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). > > That the Plextor can do. > > > The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install > > BOOTX files). > > Not being a MAC prevert, I cannot comment knowledgeably on that. > > > Such a PITA some times. > > All our hearts go out to MAC users :-) > > doug > -- > Douglas R Waud > 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 > 508 845 1718 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Bad NIC?

by John Stoffel

Andy> I have a network interface on my firewall that is throwing Andy> receive errors at me. They are in the overrun and frame columns Andy> of the ifconfig printout for that interface. I tried to restart Andy> the interface and reload the kernel module to no avail. I also Andy> power cycled the Linksys switch and cabled to a different switch Andy> port. A different cable didn't help, either. I'd rather not Andy> reboot the machine with 135 days of uptime. You've done alot of checks, but you may just have to do a reboot. Andy> I noticed that on a 100 Mbit ethernet segment, I'm getting a Andy> failure rate on approx. 25% of the packets. Reducing the MTU Andy> from 1500 to 768 helps the transfer rate but doesn't solve the Andy> problem. How about if you drop it down to 10mb/s instead and see how it works? It's not like you're going to get anything like that speed through a cable modem/DSL link anyway. This might slow down the traffic enough for the card to be able to deal with it better. Andy> This is the only machine on my home network that shows any Andy> errors.

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by doug waud

Hi Jeremy wrote: > > Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? > My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with > YDL. I can beat you on that "old". I have a Plextor PX-65CS which I bought Dec 8, 1995 :-). Seriously, if it would be any use to you, you are welcome to try it. It has a two fifty pin centronics connectors (and I have a cable from that to a twenty five pin connector). It uses a caddy but I suspect that is no problem. I assume it will be about as slow as you can get given its birth date. If you cannot do better, feel free to try it. > Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! > Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. > So I was hoping someone (near WPI) I am out in Shrewsbury but my son-in-law is in at Worcester Academy (Steve Daukas, WLUG too) so he might serve as a go-between but I'll not do anything re scheduling there until I hear from you. > had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). That the Plextor can do. > The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install > BOOTX files). Not being a MAC prevert, I cannot comment knowledgeably on that. > Such a PITA some times. All our hearts go out to MAC users :-) doug -- Douglas R Waud 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA 01545-2006 508 845 1718

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] PowerMac CD-ROM

by Skip Gaede

On Sunday 05 May 2002 09:30 pm, Jeremy wrote: > Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? > Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot > floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they > are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now. > > -Jeremy Hi Jeremy, I think you're right, getting an external SCSI CD might be the easiest solution. However, since you asked, there are other solutions! You can setup netatalk on another Linux box and can download any Mac files you need, first to your Mac and then copy them to the other Mac volume on the other machine. The 7.5.3 system folder on the Network Access Disk and the MkLinux Booter will allow you to load a Linux kernel and initRD to install YDL. I now have an installer with the MkLinux booter, a 2.4.6-pre3 kernel and initRD into a small (20 MB) HFS partition. The kernel uses the onboard NIC and can then do a network install of YDL 1.2. The newer releases, though, can only be installed from a local CD or DVD. --Skip

May 6, 2002

Bad NIC?

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I have a network interface on my firewall that is throwing receive errors at me. They are in the overrun and frame columns of the ifconfig printout for that interface. I tried to restart the interface and reload the kernel module to no avail. I also power cycled the Linksys switch and cabled to a different switch port. A different cable didn't help, either. I'd rather not reboot the machine with 135 days of uptime. I noticed that on a 100 Mbit ethernet segment, I'm getting a failure rate on approx. 25% of the packets. Reducing the MTU from 1500 to 768 helps the transfer rate but doesn't solve the problem. This is the only machine on my home network that shows any errors. Any thoughts? Is it a bad NIC or something I've missed? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

May 6, 2002

PowerMac CD-ROM

by Jeremy

Does anyone have a SCSI cdrom that I can borrow/buy for an old 7500? My linux box is such a hackjob of software that I want to reinstall it with YDL. Low and behold I try it last week and the damn CDROM drive doesnt seem to work! Some files copy, some dont... I will just assume its the drive due to age/heat. So I was hoping someone (near WPI) had a CDROM drive i could borrow (external would be good). The drive i think would have to work in MacOS too (to install BOOTX files). Such a PITA some times. Beside CDROM, what other PPC install options still exisit? The boot floppies over network from linuxppc.org use to work but i am not sure they are still around. YDL seemed like a good choice for now. -Jeremy ===== - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

May 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Advise Needed

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 03:55:11PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: > It appears that my computer has been hacked into. The following > services are run periodically throughout the day. How do I go about > finding out what is starting and stopping them and more importantly > prevent them from being run. > > I have a hardware firewall between the computer and isp. > > 17762 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 > 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown" root) > & > 17763 nobody safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 > 17764 root /bin/mail -s in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown root > 17765 nobody finger -l 64.213.97.247 > 17768 root /usr/sbin/sshd > 17770 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 > 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown" > root) & > 17771 nobody safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 > 17772 root /bin/mail -s sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown root > 17773 nobody finger -l ::ffff:64.213.97.247 These look like commands generated by tcpwrappers. Check your /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Woody: What's the latest, Mr. Peterson? Norm: Zsa-Zsa marries a millionaire, Peterson drinks a beer. Film at eleven. -- Cheers, Knights of the Scimitar

May 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Advise Needed

by Scott Venier

If your machien has been broken into, the only way to clean it up is to reformat and reinstall. They cannot trust any binary left on the system (including the kernel) so you won't truely know when you've cleaned it up. Scott On Wed, 1 May 2002, Michael Long wrote: > It appears that my computer has been hacked into. The following > services are run periodically throughout the day. How do I go about > finding out what is starting and stopping them and more importantly > prevent them from being run. > > I have a hardware firewall between the computer and isp. > > 17762 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 > 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown" root) > & > 17763 nobody safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 > 17764 root /bin/mail -s in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown root > 17765 nobody finger -l 64.213.97.247 > 17768 root /usr/sbin/sshd > 17770 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 > 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown" > root) & > 17771 nobody safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 > 17772 root /bin/mail -s sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown root > 17773 nobody finger -l ::ffff:64.213.97.247 > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 2, 2002

Advise Needed

by Michael Long

It appears that my computer has been hacked into. The following services are run periodically throughout the day. How do I go about finding out what is starting and stopping them and more importantly prevent them from being run. I have a hardware firewall between the computer and isp. 17762 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown" root) & 17763 nobody safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 17764 root /bin/mail -s in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown root 17765 nobody finger -l 64.213.97.247 17768 root /usr/sbin/sshd 17770 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown" root) & 17771 nobody safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 17772 root /bin/mail -s sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown root 17773 nobody finger -l ::ffff:64.213.97.247 Thanks, Mike

May 1, 2002

Advise Needed

by Michael Long

It appears that my computer has been hacked into. The following services are run periodically throughout the day. How do I go about finding out what is starting and stopping them and more importantly prevent them from being run. I have a hardware firewall between the computer and isp. 17762 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown" root) & 17763 nobody safe_finger -l @64.213.97.247 17764 root /bin/mail -s in.ftpd-64.213.97.247 unknown root 17765 nobody finger -l 64.213.97.247 17768 root /usr/sbin/sshd 17770 root sh -c (safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 2>&1| /bin/mail -s "sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown" root) & 17771 nobody safe_finger -l @::ffff:64.213.97.247 17772 root /bin/mail -s sshd-::ffff:64.213.97.247 unknown root 17773 nobody finger -l ::ffff:64.213.97.247 Thanks, Mike

May 1, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Returned mail: see transcript for details (fwd)

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 03:42:11PM -0400, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: > can anyone determine from the status codes what software the Reporting-MTA > is? Maybe the reason is hidden in that code. Your mysterious > non-delivery generated a Status: 5.0.0 Status 5.0.0 is a generic error code in SMTP. > besides the status codes being different, it's my server rejecting the > email, and not a response from hotmail. Correct, the bounce will occur from the last mail server to receive the message on the journey. In your case, hotmail denied the mail at the point where they were receiving the message, so your sending server bounces the message back to you. The other bounce message (that we're actually talking about) seems to come from inside hotmail itself, but it gives no information other than: Reporting-MTA: dns;hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net Final-Recipient: rfc822;kamikaze003(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 So we know that "hotmail.com" (and who knows what server that actually is) thought it could deliver the mail, so it accepted it, but ended up unable to deliver the message for unknown reasons (no description given), so it bounced back to the sender. I don't see how this problem would have any relation to Charter, Linux, pine, etc. It seems to be very much a Hotmail specific issue. I'd start bugging postmaster(a)hotmail.com to be honest. There's not much else to do. :( -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I know that, you know that, but kids just don't make news unless they're arrested for drugs, gangs, or some form of violence..." - Michelle "or sports..." - Theo's response

April 30, 2002

Returned mail: see transcript for details (fwd)

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

can anyone determine from the status codes what software the Reporting-MTA is? Maybe the reason is hidden in that code. Your mysterious non-delivery generated a Status: 5.0.0 for a comparison returned email, I send a test message to a friend's inactive hotmail account (disabled for lack of use). I sent it using Pine on a linux box running sendmail. sorry, I'm not on charter so I can't completely replicate things... besides the status codes being different, it's my server rejecting the email, and not a response from hotmail. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From MAILER-DAEMON(a)kluge.net Tue Apr 30 15:34:51 2002 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:23 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON(a)kluge.net> To: mrv(a)eclectic.kluge.net Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:21 -0400 from mrv@localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com> (reason: 550 Requested action not taken:user account inactive) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mx09.hotmail.com.: >>> RCPT To:<outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com> <<< 550 Requested action not taken:user account inactive 550 5.1.1 <outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com>... User unknown [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; eclectic.kluge.net Arrival-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:21 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mx09.hotmail.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Requested action not taken:user account inactive Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:22 -0400 Return-Path: <mrv(a)eclectic.kluge.net> Received: from localhost (mrv@localhost) by eclectic.kluge.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3UJOL702343 for <outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com>; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Michelle Vadeboncoeur <mrv(a)eclectic.kluge.net> To: craig roberts <outlaweagle(a)hotmail.com> Subject: testing Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204301524100.27941-100000(a)eclectic.kluge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Mail delivery problems

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:56:09PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. > > Delivery to the following recipients failed. > > kamikaze003(a)hotmail.com Riiiiight.... ok. -Chuck

April 30, 2002

Mail delivery problems

by Bill Mills-Curran

Sorry for the misleading initial description of the problem. Here's what hotmail has been sending me. Bill ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:50:33 -0700 From: postmaster(a)mail.hotmail.com To: subssn594(a)charter.net Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. kamikaze003(a)hotmail.com

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:32:30PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > It's only hotmail that's the issue. I am sending lots of my email to > multiple recipients, and it's only hotmail that's complaining. And, > note that the mail gets to the hotmail servers, because it is the > hotmail agents that are informing me of the failed delivery. I assume by "complaining" and "informing" you mean a bounce message. Why don't you share the bounce? It might give us half a clue. -Chuck

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:32:30PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > It's only hotmail that's the issue. I am sending lots of my email to > multiple recipients, and it's only hotmail that's complaining. And, > note that the mail gets to the hotmail servers, because it is the > hotmail agents that are informing me of the failed delivery. > > Thus, I don't think it's Charter that's the real bad player. (Note > that I can get the mail delivered if I use the Charter web email > client.) I think it's an issue of hotmail not liking the delivery > path from my linux box hiding behind a firewall. What's the bounce message look like? I thought you were having problems sending them mail, meaning you were getting "mail hasn't been delivered for 4 hours, continuing for 5 days" type issue. Getting bounces involves a completely different set of problems. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person." - http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/bread.html

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Chuck Homic wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:41:44 -0400 > From: Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:32:30PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > It's only hotmail that's the issue. I am sending lots of my email to > > multiple recipients, and it's only hotmail that's complaining. And, > > note that the mail gets to the hotmail servers, because it is the > > hotmail agents that are informing me of the failed delivery. > > I've had a similar problem a couple years ago with sending mail to Juno. > It sent me a bounce that complained I wasn't an MX. So I had to start > using RCN's cr4ppy-a55 SMTP server, which was down every other day and > waited 2 hours before relaying my mail. :( > > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Chuck, I suspected the same, but changing pine to use the Charter smtp server directly didn't help. Bill

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 02:32:30PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > It's only hotmail that's the issue. I am sending lots of my email to > multiple recipients, and it's only hotmail that's complaining. And, > note that the mail gets to the hotmail servers, because it is the > hotmail agents that are informing me of the failed delivery. I've had a similar problem a couple years ago with sending mail to Juno. It sent me a bounce that complained I wasn't an MX. So I had to start using RCN's cr4ppy-a55 SMTP server, which was down every other day and waited 2 hours before relaying my mail. :( -Chuck

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:26:10 -0400 > From: Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)ma.ultranet.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com > > > > > > Theo, > > > > I don't think connectivity is the issue -- I'm getting through to > > hotmail, they are just refusing to deliver. I can try to send to one > > of the "good" servers directly and see what happens. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > Maybe this is a dumb question, but have you tried checking your Charter > smtp for mail right before you try sending from hotmail? I had a similar > problem recently with a web-based mail account. The ISP makes you check > mail before they'll send, to make sure that you're not hacking their > mail server. > > Greg Greg, It's only hotmail that's the issue. I am sending lots of my email to multiple recipients, and it's only hotmail that's complaining. And, note that the mail gets to the hotmail servers, because it is the hotmail agents that are informing me of the failed delivery. Thus, I don't think it's Charter that's the real bad player. (Note that I can get the mail delivered if I use the Charter web email client.) I think it's an issue of hotmail not liking the delivery path from my linux box hiding behind a firewall. Bill

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Gregory Avedissian

> > Theo, > > I don't think connectivity is the issue -- I'm getting through to > hotmail, they are just refusing to deliver. I can try to send to one > of the "good" servers directly and see what happens. > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > Maybe this is a dumb question, but have you tried checking your Charter smtp for mail right before you try sending from hotmail? I had a similar problem recently with a web-based mail account. The ISP makes you check mail before they'll send, to make sure that you're not hacking their mail server. Greg

April 30, 2002

Re: problems with email to hotmail.com

by mike＠beakerware.net

> If you see a similar response to the telnet as I have above, you should > be able to connect to hotmail just fine. Since 11 of their 14 hosts > aren't responding, and all of the MX levels are the same (5), there > may be an issue there. I know that you get a round-robin effect with > the hosts, but I don't remember if it's single-attempt round robin (ie: > try mx11, ok it failed, wait a little bit, then try mx11 again), if it's > a single-attempt with lookups in between (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, > wait a little bit, do a lookup and try the returned host round-robin > again (so you may or may not get the same host again)), or if it's a > multiple-attempt round robin (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, try mx12, > ok it failed, continue until one succeeds.) I believe that's left up to the implementation of the MTA. I'm using Courier, which tends to be more strict on following RFCs, and in the case of an MX record w/ a IP address (not compliant with an RFC) bails rather than look to the next, even if it is at the same MX priority. -mike

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:28:36 -0400 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 12:10:08PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I suspect that the problem is that I'm behind a linksys router using > > private IP's and NAT. I've tried talking to Charter tech support, but > > they are worthless -- they just tell me that they only support Outlook > > email. > > > > I've tried configuring Pine so the it uses the Charter smtp server > > directly, but that doesn't seem to help, either. Right now, I'm using > > my local machine, and routing through Charter. > > > > Any ideas? > > Well, there's 2 possible issues. 1) it's likely that they block your > outgoing directly to hotmail's mail servers. 2) most of the hotmail > mail servers seem to be down or rejecting connections for me (via DSL), > so they may just be having problems. > > You can check out if you can connect directly via: > > $ dig hotmail.com mx +short > 5 mx11.hotmail.com. > 5 mx12.hotmail.com. > 5 mx13.hotmail.com. > 5 mx14.hotmail.com. > 5 mx15.hotmail.com. > 5 mx01.hotmail.com. > 5 mx02.hotmail.com. > 5 mx04.hotmail.com. > 5 mx05.hotmail.com. > 5 mx06.hotmail.com. > 5 mx07.hotmail.com. > 5 mx08.hotmail.com. > 5 mx09.hotmail.com. > 5 mx10.hotmail.com. > > > $ telnet mx05.hotmail.com 25 > Trying 64.4.56.199... > telnet: connect to address 64.4.56.199: Connection refused > Trying 65.54.254.145... > Connected to mx05.hotmail.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 hotmail.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 5.0.2195.4905 ready at Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:17:54 -0700 > quit > 221 2.0.0 hotmail.com Service closing transmission channel > Connection closed by foreign host. > > > (I could only connect to 5, 9, and 13 of all of these 14 hosts...) > > If you see a similar response to the telnet as I have above, you should > be able to connect to hotmail just fine. Since 11 of their 14 hosts > aren't responding, and all of the MX levels are the same (5), there > may be an issue there. I know that you get a round-robin effect with > the hosts, but I don't remember if it's single-attempt round robin (ie: > try mx11, ok it failed, wait a little bit, then try mx11 again), if it's > a single-attempt with lookups in between (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, > wait a little bit, do a lookup and try the returned host round-robin > again (so you may or may not get the same host again)), or if it's a > multiple-attempt round robin (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, try mx12, > ok it failed, continue until one succeeds.) > > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > Hee, hee! I can be a jerk and no one can stop me! > > -- Homer Simpson > Itchy & Scratchy Land > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Theo, I don't think connectivity is the issue -- I'm getting through to hotmail, they are just refusing to deliver. I can try to send to one of the "good" servers directly and see what happens. Thanks, Bill

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] problems with email to hotmail.com

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 12:10:08PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I suspect that the problem is that I'm behind a linksys router using > private IP's and NAT. I've tried talking to Charter tech support, but > they are worthless -- they just tell me that they only support Outlook > email. > > I've tried configuring Pine so the it uses the Charter smtp server > directly, but that doesn't seem to help, either. Right now, I'm using > my local machine, and routing through Charter. > > Any ideas? Well, there's 2 possible issues. 1) it's likely that they block your outgoing directly to hotmail's mail servers. 2) most of the hotmail mail servers seem to be down or rejecting connections for me (via DSL), so they may just be having problems. You can check out if you can connect directly via: $ dig hotmail.com mx +short 5 mx11.hotmail.com. 5 mx12.hotmail.com. 5 mx13.hotmail.com. 5 mx14.hotmail.com. 5 mx15.hotmail.com. 5 mx01.hotmail.com. 5 mx02.hotmail.com. 5 mx04.hotmail.com. 5 mx05.hotmail.com. 5 mx06.hotmail.com. 5 mx07.hotmail.com. 5 mx08.hotmail.com. 5 mx09.hotmail.com. 5 mx10.hotmail.com. $ telnet mx05.hotmail.com 25 Trying 64.4.56.199... telnet: connect to address 64.4.56.199: Connection refused Trying 65.54.254.145... Connected to mx05.hotmail.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 hotmail.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 5.0.2195.4905 ready at Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:17:54 -0700 quit 221 2.0.0 hotmail.com Service closing transmission channel Connection closed by foreign host. (I could only connect to 5, 9, and 13 of all of these 14 hosts...) If you see a similar response to the telnet as I have above, you should be able to connect to hotmail just fine. Since 11 of their 14 hosts aren't responding, and all of the MX levels are the same (5), there may be an issue there. I know that you get a round-robin effect with the hosts, but I don't remember if it's single-attempt round robin (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, wait a little bit, then try mx11 again), if it's a single-attempt with lookups in between (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, wait a little bit, do a lookup and try the returned host round-robin again (so you may or may not get the same host again)), or if it's a multiple-attempt round robin (ie: try mx11, ok it failed, try mx12, ok it failed, continue until one succeeds.) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Hee, hee! I can be a jerk and no one can stop me! -- Homer Simpson Itchy & Scratchy Land

April 30, 2002

problems with email to hotmail.com

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm a Charter user, and something has changed between charter and hotmail so that I can no longer send email to hotmail.com accounts. I CAN send if I use Charter's web mail interface, but I much prefer to stick with pine. I suspect that the problem is that I'm behind a linksys router using private IP's and NAT. I've tried talking to Charter tech support, but they are worthless -- they just tell me that they only support Outlook email. I've tried configuring Pine so the it uses the Charter smtp server directly, but that doesn't seem to help, either. Right now, I'm using my local machine, and routing through Charter. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

April 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] bug report

by Josh Huber

Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> writes: > BTW, I'm running RedHat 7.1. So, who do I tell? Well, in case you haven't done anything about this yet, sending a report to the linux-kernel list might be a good idea. Run that oops message through ksymoops first, running with the same kernel which caused the oops messages: ksymoops < file_with_oops_in_it and send the output with a description of the problem to the list. Also, after running it through ksymoops, you might browse the lists to see if it's already been reported. ttyl, -- Josh Huber

April 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Whee! MIT Flea

by Chuck Haines

If you are looking for a WM, I highly suggest either fluxbox or blackbox (with Fluxbox being the better choice) with the -no-kde and -no-gnome options. On Mon, 2002-04-22 at 09:58, desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: > ::Dances around:: > Got so much great swag at the flea this time ^_^; > > Anyway, I picked up two Dolch 486DX/33s, on board scsi, 32meg > for $15. > It's been a loooong time since I've run linux on a 486 (slack > 2.something, iirc) > I'm thinking Debian potato would be alright? I most likely won't > install X, but if I do, I'll use X3.foo with a minimalist > windowmanager... Any suggestions? > > It's going to be alot of shoehorning for sure. > I won't lie, I haven't ran a linux system since my P200 died, she > was a fileserver and random-use machine. So, getting these > running would be great so I could fool around at work during slow > hours. > > Thanks, > James > KB1FJQ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- --------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | MSN: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | --------------------------------------------- Geek by nature, Linux by choice.

April 24, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hello, It's kind of interesting that an email about this very topic landed in my inbox this morning. Here's the link: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/filters/specialreport/0,14622,6022528 ,00.html Good luck. Matthew On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:44:37 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school >districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and >will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with >M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified >arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box >(regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same >district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! > >Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs >associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only >because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering >what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. > >Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... > >I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid >members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about >productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats >(Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real >alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who >use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that >will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is >only a step in the right direction. > >I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is >ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a >good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by avedis＠ma.ultranet.com

On 23 Apr 2002, at 7:44, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with > M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified So what would be the comparable costs for linux boxes and a sysadmin's salary, either part or full time? Maybe the schools don't even know that Linux is an option, and we should tell them. Imagine a whole generation of kids raised on Linux instead of MS. > I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is What about LindowsOS? Greg Avedissian

April 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by The Greater Worcester Land Trust

Star Office in its various iterations is pretty damn solid, and that is after using three different releases over the years. There are occassional glitches in representation of the same document between M$ and SO, but to be fair to the SO suite there are occassional glitches in representation of the same document between M$ and M$ (assuming you are not trapped from even opening the document in the first place.) Also the filters to Word Perfect etc etc are two way filters (not import only) and allow kids who have family computers running alternative software more flexibility. The other benefit of SO (and OO if you decide that the admin is up to a little more complexity (and you seem to imply that they are not)) is that they can run it on their Win boxes and dabble in Linux without causing confusion to the office suite end user. That makes it possible for them to consider jumping ship in a silent revolution should they build up the confidence. Just some thoughts to ignore. Colin On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:44:37 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school >districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and >will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with >M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified >arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box >(regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same >district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! > >Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs >associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only >because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering >what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. > >Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... > >I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid >members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about >productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats >(Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real >alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who >use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that >will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is >only a step in the right direction. > >I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is >ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a >good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 23 Apr 2002, at 7:44, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school > districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly > and will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply > with M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a > simplified arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for > every Intel box (regardless of what it might actually be running) that > would run that same district about $30,000. You can see where this is > headed! <snip> Actually, I believe it's every box, regardless of manufacturer. (ie apples too) James

April 23, 2002

Regarding M$ enforcement of licenses...

by Stephen C. Daukas

In case you haven't heard, M$ is auditing a dozen or so large school districts for compliance on licensing. Of course, this will be ugly and will run one district an estimated $1,000,000 per year to comply with M$. That's $1,000,000 more then they pay now. M$ is offering a simplified arrangement whereby a school system pays a flat fee for every Intel box (regardless of what it might actually be running) that would run that same district about $30,000. You can see where this is headed! Aside from noting that people's dishonesty about paying the real costs associated with M$ software has gotten them into this trouble (if only because the real costs are not apparent to "management"), I'm wondering what is available as a real alternative to M$ for the great unwashed masses. Of course, the answer I would expect to hear is "Linux!", but... I'm talking about a solution that is useable by those who are not rabid members of a LUG, or Sys admins in their day job. I'm talking about productivity software that will seamlessly read and write M$ file formats (Excel, Word, etc.). I don't know, for example, if Star Office is a real alternative because I don't know how well it interoperates with those who use Word, for example, on a daily basis. Perhaps there is a solution that will reliably run M$ applications without having to buy the OS, but that is only a step in the right direction. I was hoping to hear suggestions about what is out there and if Linux is ready to work seamlessly in heterogeneous High-Tech world. This might be a good topic for one of the WLUG meetings... Steve

April 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Whee! MIT Flea

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:58:16 -0400 desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: DN> I'm thinking Debian potato would be alright? I most likely won't DN> install X, but if I do, I'll use X3.foo with a minimalist DN> windowmanager... Any suggestions? take a look at WindowMaker. It's been a favorite of mine for a LONG time. You can take a look at it at www.windowmaker.org . +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | William Smith wsmith at chezsmith dot com | | Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very | | bad mood for 30 years. | | * TAG! v2.2 * | +--------------------------------------------------------------+

April 23, 2002

RE: [Wlug] shot power supply?

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

Most drives require +5 and + 12 volt supplies. Some newer (very new) drives only require +12V. -----Original Message----- From: bryon3245(a)netzero.com [mailto:bryon3245@netzero.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:54 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] shot power supply? I have a Dell Dimension 4100 and I am pretty sure that the power supply is shot. I was wondering if there are any tests that I can do to make sure that it is the power supply and not something else. I am sure that there is nothing wrong with the power cord. When I plug in the cord and push the power button nothing happens and nothing lights up. I was also wondering why there are four cords going to each drive. I know it needs a positive and negative and posibly a ground but what is the last one for. What does each cord do? Is it possible to replace it with a generic PSU becuase i heard that only dell ones will work with a dell computer. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 22, 2002

shot power supply?

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

I have a Dell Dimension 4100 and I am pretty sure that the power supply is shot. I was wondering if there are any tests that I can do to make sure that it is the power supply and not something else. I am sure that there is nothing wrong with the power cord. When I plug in the cord and push the power button nothing happens and nothing lights up. I was also wondering why there are four cords going to each drive. I know it needs a positive and negative and posibly a ground but what is the last one for. What does each cord do? Is it possible to replace it with a generic PSU becuase i heard that only dell ones will work with a dell computer. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

April 22, 2002

Whee! MIT Flea

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

::Dances around:: Got so much great swag at the flea this time ^_^; Anyway, I picked up two Dolch 486DX/33s, on board scsi, 32meg for $15. It's been a loooong time since I've run linux on a 486 (slack 2.something, iirc) I'm thinking Debian potato would be alright? I most likely won't install X, but if I do, I'll use X3.foo with a minimalist windowmanager... Any suggestions? It's going to be alot of shoehorning for sure. I won't lie, I haven't ran a linux system since my P200 died, she was a fileserver and random-use machine. So, getting these running would be great so I could fool around at work during slow hours. Thanks, James KB1FJQ

April 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Jason Calvert

Yes I agree, but since it came with a ping and only once, I figured it was not a worm but a person on the other end. On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 08:50, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 08:39:00AM -0400, Jason Calvert wrote: > calvert> It does not really look like some one is trying to break through your > calvert> file wall, they are not sending acks or anything strange, they are > calvert> simply trying to view content on your httpd server which you are not > calvert> running I guess. Have they scanned any other ports?(other than the ICMP > calvert> ping?) If I saw an port scan or ack packets I would be more concerned. > calvert> If you have a dynamic IP it could be someone trying to return to a site > calvert> they were at before... > calvert> Usually a break in attempt will cause a lot more traffic that a http > calvert> request. > > Actually, unsolicited http requests like this are usually viruses like > Code Red or Nimda. > > Sometimes the IP address doesn't have a DNS reversal. In either case, I > like to look them up in ARIN/RIPE/APNIC: > > >whois 66.189.81.226(a)whois.arin.net > [whois.arin.net] > Charter Communications (NETBLK-CHARTER-NET-5BLK) CHARTER-NET-5BLK > 66.188.0.0 - 66.191.255.255 > Charter Communications (NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080) OXFD-MA-66-189-080 > 66.189.80.0 - 66.189.83.255 > > To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the > handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. > > The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet > Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. > Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related > Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. > > >whois \!NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080(a)whois.arin.net > [whois.arin.net] > Charter Communications (NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080) > 12405 Powerscourt Dr. > St. Louis, MO 63131 > US > > Netname: OXFD-MA-66-189-080 > Netblock: 66.189.80.0 - 66.189.83.255 > > Coordinator: > Charter Communications (ZC119-ARIN) ipaddressing(a)chartercom.com > 314-965-0555 > > Domain System inverse mapping provided by: > > NS1.CHARTER.COM 24.196.241.11 > NS2.CHARTER.COM 24.213.60.79 > > Record last updated on 12-Dec-2001. > Database last updated on 17-Apr-2002 19:59:25 EDT. > > The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet > Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. > Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related > Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. > > > > If the results come up with RIPE, redo the query with whois.ripe.net. > If the results come up with APNIC, use whois.apnic.net. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Motherboard Monitor

by Charles R. Anderson

lm_sensors? http://freshmeat.net/projects/lm_sensors/?topic_id=862%2C146 On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 06:21:48PM -0400, Michael Frysinger wrote: vapier> are there any utilities out there that you guys vapier> know of that work with the sensors that vapier> motherboards have ? i'm looking for something vapier> that can obtain CPU temperature, fan rpm's, vapier> and all that other fun stuff ... at this point i just vapier> want something so i can read those values ... vapier> i dont need any fancy programs really ... vapier> -mike -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Motherboard Monitor

by Brian J. Conway

> are there any utilities out there that you guys > know of that work with the sensors that > motherboards have ? i'm looking for something > that can obtain CPU temperature, fan rpm's, > and all that other fun stuff ... at this point i just > want something so i can read those values ... > i dont need any fancy programs really ... Lmsensors is pretty much the standard and consists of kernel modules that are loaded depending upon your chipset and then read by external programs. I used to use a nice dock app to keep track of things, but I've found recent releases of lmsensors to be highly unsafe for SMP use and would dump my kernel when I tried to load or access them, though I might have just misconfigured one of the modules. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

April 18, 2002

Motherboard Monitor

by Michael Frysinger

are there any utilities out there that you guys know of that work with the sensors that motherboards have ? i'm looking for something that can obtain CPU temperature, fan rpm's, and all that other fun stuff ... at this point i just want something so i can read those values ... i dont need any fancy programs really ... -mike

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by jeff

another fun toy for the paranoid is lsof - a really nifty process tool. shows ALL the stuff tunning on your machine and who's running them. maybe check for rootkits and stuff like that. :) but i agree with the other guys...i get tons of http and ftp and even some ssh hits every day. of course, earthlink's network - especially in my ip range - is littered with nimda and code red IIS machines. scary... -jeff

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Jeremy

I would have to agree. If you have DSL/broadband, it seems that you are bound to get these "random" hits. Like Charles said, most are the http IIS virus which you dont need to "worry" about. My PPC linux box gets tons of the http hits which I just ignore, as well as the occasional SSH hits, and anonymous FTP (which anon is turned off). Acutally I am surprise you only got 2 http hits. Usually a few an hour for me. Anyway, just keep tabs on your daily logs. Possibly install log analyis tools. Actually, if you have openssh installed, I believe it installs a neat simple script called: "logcheck.sh" It doesnt do much, but shows failed login attempts etc. Start a crontab and have it email u the results. PS if your running Intel definately keep update to date on patches; or is this no longer true (i.e. asm buffer code etc)? -jeremy no warrently included --- "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got > > people trying to through my firewall from... > > > > 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) > > 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) > > > > How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ > > address? > > > > Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. > > [dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 66.189.81.226 > 226.81.189.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer > cpe-66-189-81-226.ma.charter.com.[dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 62.163.126.100 > 100.126.163.62.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer a126100.upc-a.chello.nl. > [dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 66.189.24.226 > 226.24.189.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer > cpe-66-189-24-226.ma.charter.com. > > > Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to > > see if I've got any servers running? > > Port scanning isn't illegal, I wouldn't be that concerned unless something > actually gets broken into, and it doesn't sound like you're in imminent > danger of that. There's a lot of noise that's gonna show up in firewall > or PortSentry-type logs, especially on cable or DSL IP ranges, I really > don't pay it much attention myself. It's your call, of course. > > Brian J. Conway > bconway(a)wpi.edu > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 08:39:00AM -0400, Jason Calvert wrote: calvert> It does not really look like some one is trying to break through your calvert> file wall, they are not sending acks or anything strange, they are calvert> simply trying to view content on your httpd server which you are not calvert> running I guess. Have they scanned any other ports?(other than the ICMP calvert> ping?) If I saw an port scan or ack packets I would be more concerned. calvert> If you have a dynamic IP it could be someone trying to return to a site calvert> they were at before... calvert> Usually a break in attempt will cause a lot more traffic that a http calvert> request. Actually, unsolicited http requests like this are usually viruses like Code Red or Nimda. Sometimes the IP address doesn't have a DNS reversal. In either case, I like to look them up in ARIN/RIPE/APNIC: >whois 66.189.81.226(a)whois.arin.net [whois.arin.net] Charter Communications (NETBLK-CHARTER-NET-5BLK) CHARTER-NET-5BLK 66.188.0.0 - 66.191.255.255 Charter Communications (NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080) OXFD-MA-66-189-080 66.189.80.0 - 66.189.83.255 To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. >whois \!NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080(a)whois.arin.net [whois.arin.net] Charter Communications (NETBLK-OXFD-MA-66-189-080) 12405 Powerscourt Dr. St. Louis, MO 63131 US Netname: OXFD-MA-66-189-080 Netblock: 66.189.80.0 - 66.189.83.255 Coordinator: Charter Communications (ZC119-ARIN) ipaddressing(a)chartercom.com 314-965-0555 Domain System inverse mapping provided by: NS1.CHARTER.COM 24.196.241.11 NS2.CHARTER.COM 24.213.60.79 Record last updated on 12-Dec-2001. Database last updated on 17-Apr-2002 19:59:25 EDT. The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's. Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information. If the results come up with RIPE, redo the query with whois.ripe.net. If the results come up with APNIC, use whois.apnic.net. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Skip Gaede

On Thursday 18 April 2002 08:05 am, Wesley Allen wrote: > OK, > Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got > people trying to through my firewall from... > > 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) > 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) > > How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ > address? > > Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. > > Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to > see if I've got any servers running? > > Time to batten down the hatches... > > Wes Hi Wes, Thye're out there! I had the same problem when I setup an http site to debug an app I was working on. I kinda forgot about it and kept getting virus droppings in my scripts directory. Eventually I figured out what was going on and tightened the security on the site so I was the only one whjo had write access and that stopped it. I think there are folks who have nothing better to do than to write webbots to look for things inside their ISPs domain. As long as you have adequate protection against write access, you're probably OK. Some of the accesses were from machines operated by my ISP. I don't know what they were for :-} --Skip

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Jason Calvert

It does not really look like some one is trying to break through your file wall, they are not sending acks or anything strange, they are simply trying to view content on your httpd server which you are not running I guess. Have they scanned any other ports?(other than the ICMP ping?) If I saw an port scan or ack packets I would be more concerned. If you have a dynamic IP it could be someone trying to return to a site they were at before... Usually a break in attempt will cause a lot more traffic that a http request. Jason On Thu, 2002-04-18 at 08:05, Wesley Allen wrote: > OK, > Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got > people trying to through my firewall from... > > 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) > 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) > > How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ > address? > > Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. > > Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to > see if I've got any servers running? > > Time to batten down the hatches... > > Wes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Brian J. Conway

> Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got > people trying to through my firewall from... > > 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) > 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) > > How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ > address? > > Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. [dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 66.189.81.226 226.81.189.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cpe-66-189-81-226.ma.charter.com.[dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 62.163.126.100 100.126.163.62.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer a126100.upc-a.chello.nl. [dogbert@ladyluck /]$ host 66.189.24.226 226.24.189.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer cpe-66-189-24-226.ma.charter.com. > Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to > see if I've got any servers running? Port scanning isn't illegal, I wouldn't be that concerned unless something actually gets broken into, and it doesn't sound like you're in imminent danger of that. There's a lot of noise that's gonna show up in firewall or PortSentry-type logs, especially on cable or DSL IP ranges, I really don't pay it much attention myself. It's your call, of course. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

April 18, 2002

I hate crackers (not the kind you eat)

by Wesley Allen

OK, Looking at my log file from my firewall reveals that not I've got people trying to through my firewall from... 66.189.81.226 (and 246) (http connect attempts) 62.163.126.100 (same domain as yesterday) How do I track them back to the ISP's and send a message to their abuse@ address? Someone's trying to ping me from 66.189.24.226 as well. Am I being paranoid or could my isp be trying to crack my firewall to see if I've got any servers running? Time to batten down the hatches... Wes

April 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Phillip G Deneault

LOL, Netops has much better methods for annoying its users then using Netbus. :-) Wouldn't you agree Mike? :-) Phil On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Michael Frysinger wrote: > dont let netops confuse you, its coming from them :/ > -mike > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the OpenVMS Guy maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

April 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Michael Frysinger

dont let netops confuse you, its coming from them :/ -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wesley Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:51 Subject: [Wlug] netbus attack... > Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. > Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through > yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them > around a bit. Any ideas? > > Wes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Chuck Haines

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 iptable -A INPUT -s IPOFATTACK -j DROP On 17 Apr 2002, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. > Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through > yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them > around a bit. Any ideas? > > Wes > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > - ---------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AOL: CyberGrex | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPILA Lab Manager | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://gdc.wpi.edu | MSN: CyberGrex | - ---------------------------------------------- "Geek by nature, Linux by choice." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (OSF1) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8vdFq7HPTHjUkyKwRAuq9AJ9GtulXC4x2rCIftAMfpcSrNX0vnACcCxZA O8jItcQM8R0BHfEZE9yhYWg= =N7JM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Wesley Allen

Ahh, yes, that's a good one. Wes On ed, 2002-04-17 at 12:56, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. > > Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through > > yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them > > around a bit. Any ideas? > > It sounds like you already are refusing connections (or just dropping > the packets). If it looks like it's casual portscanning I'd just ignore > it. If it's coming from the same source constantly over a period of time, > send a nasty email to their provider's abuse@ address. =) > > -b > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Phillip G Deneault

And if its from a 130.215 address, please tell WPI Netops. We like to stop that kinda thing. :-) Phil On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. > > Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through > > yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them > > around a bit. Any ideas? > > It sounds like you already are refusing connections (or just dropping > the packets). If it looks like it's casual portscanning I'd just ignore > it. If it's coming from the same source constantly over a period of time, > send a nasty email to their provider's abuse@ address. =) > > -b > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Phil Deneault "We work in the dark, We do what we can, deneault(a)wpi.edu We give what we have. Our doubt is our passion, WPI NetOps and our passion is our task. The rest is the OpenVMS Guy maddness of art." - Henry James -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

April 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] netbus attack...

by Brian J. Conway

> Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. > Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through > yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them > around a bit. Any ideas? It sounds like you already are refusing connections (or just dropping the packets). If it looks like it's casual portscanning I'd just ignore it. If it's coming from the same source constantly over a period of time, send a nasty email to their provider's abuse@ address. =) -b

April 17, 2002

netbus attack...

by Wesley Allen

Hi, my firewall is detecting a "netbus attack" from an external source. Anyway I can basically refuse connections? Nothing's gotten through yet, but it's a pain to see someone doing it and I'd like to smack them around a bit. Any ideas? Wes

April 17, 2002

FOR SALE

by jeff

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April 17, 2002

bug report

by Bill Mills-Curran

I need some advice on where to send a bug report. Here's what happened: I was accessing an SMB filesystem mounted "mount -t smbfs" when file accesses (things like "ls" and "cd") started producing "Segmentation fault" messages. I looked in my system log and found: Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: kernel BUG at dcache.c:128! Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: invalid operand: 0000 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: CPU: 0 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EIP: 0010:[dput+43/384] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EIP: 0010:[<c014592b>] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: eax: 0000001c ebx: c0628c40 ecx: ffffffff edx: 00000000 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: esi: c6dd18c0 edi: c2497bc0 ebp: c0628c40 esp: c5c89f54 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Process tcsh (pid: 5018, stackpage=c5c89000) Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Stack: c02128db c021297b 00000080 c3404c60 00000000 00000200 c3404c60 c3404c60 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: c6dd18c0 c0134531 c0628c40 c3404c60 00000000 00000000 bffe8148 c0133603 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: c3404c60 c625fc20 00000000 c3404c60 00000000 c3404c60 08119408 c0133653 Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Call Trace: [error_table+42755/46744] [error_table+42915/46744] [fput+113/208] [filp_close+83/96] [sys_close+67/80] [system_call+51/56] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Call Trace: [<c02128db>] [<c021297b>] [<c0134531>] [<c0133603>] [<c0133653>] [<c010901b>] Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Apr 16 16:58:53 pent584 kernel: Code: 0f 0b 83 c4 0c ff 0b 0f 94 c0 84 c0 0f 84 33 01 00 00 8d 43 I tried to dismount the suspect filesystem, but I couldn't -- filesystem busy, even though there were no live processes on it. Then, operations on other filesystems started failing, finally ending up with a frozen system. I power cycled, and everything is happy again. So, here's what I found in the MAINTAINERS file: SMB FILESYSTEM P: Urban Widmark M: urban(a)teststation.com W: http://samba.org/ L: samba(a)samba.org S: Maintained DEVICE FILESYSTEM P: Richard Gooch M: rgooch(a)atnf.csiro.au L: linux-kernel(a)vger.kernel.org S: Maintained BTW, I'm running RedHat 7.1. So, who do I tell? TIA, Bill Mills-Curran

April 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 3D and Laptop

by Chris Ogren

I have a Dell 4000 notebook with the Rage128 chipset and 1400x1050 capable display (sxga+??). I have occasioanlly encountered odd behavior of the xserver locking up and the display washing out when I try to logout of Gnome. This behavior does not occur every time though. I think possibly an X server config problem or perhaps I need to install an updated version of XFree86 4.x. Could you post a copy of your X config and XFree86 version? Although I wish I had the nVidia chipset now. Thanks, Chris On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 10:42, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Anyone have any recommendations for a linux laptop with 3D hardware > > acceleration? I'm not particularly interested in the closed source > > nvidia drivers so I'm leaning towards the Radeon 7500. > > I couldn't be more happy with my Dell Inspiron 8000 that I bought about 11 > months ago (before the nVidia chipset was available, unfortunately). They > now offer the choice between ATI or nVidia chipsets, and I couldn't speak > more highly of Dell both for personal use and the large number we have at > work. I'm using the 32MB version of the Rage 128 chipset, and it does DRI > as well as I can expect it to, though I don't use it for much gaming > beyond TuxRacer. My $0.02. > > Brian J. Conway > bconway(a)wpi.edu > > "LINUX is obsolete" > - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Brad Noyes

On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 08:27:20AM -0400, desdinova(a)soupforare.net wrote: > On 10 Apr 2002, at 23:04, Mike Long wrote: > > > I am going through a back log of emails... the Zaurus (from Sharp) > > rocks!!! It is a full linux operating system on a hand held device. > > The number of apps available to it is growing by the day. It has a > > full keyboard (small but usable) and many other nice features. When > > you install vnc server on it you can get a really cool window on your > > desktop to interact with the device. > > I've been wondering how difficult/how much code hacking is needed > to compile stuff for it. > Is there an emulator or something so I can play with it? If you use QT embedded, which the Zaurus uses, you can compile a native x86 version that will run on X using the frame buffer. Also there are cross compilers that you can compile with so the resulting binaries will run on the arm processor. > > I'd love to get one, especially if I could get NetHack/Zangband to > run on it. ;) I used to have nethack on my iPAQ (don't know now to play, so i uninstalled it, but i did work). --brad > > James > KB1FJQ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 10 Apr 2002, at 23:04, Mike Long wrote: > I am going through a back log of emails... the Zaurus (from Sharp) > rocks!!! It is a full linux operating system on a hand held device. > The number of apps available to it is growing by the day. It has a > full keyboard (small but usable) and many other nice features. When > you install vnc server on it you can get a really cool window on your > desktop to interact with the device. I've been wondering how difficult/how much code hacking is needed to compile stuff for it. Is there an emulator or something so I can play with it? I'd love to get one, especially if I could get NetHack/Zangband to run on it. ;) James KB1FJQ

April 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Mike Long

I am going through a back log of emails... the Zaurus (from Sharp) rocks!!! It is a full linux operating system on a hand held device. The number of apps available to it is growing by the day. It has a full keyboard (small but usable) and many other nice features. When you install vnc server on it you can get a really cool window on your desktop to interact with the device. On Friday 22 March 2002 16:15, Marc Hughes wrote: > I got to play with one of these at linux world. I saw ssh working over > wireless networking on one of them... definatly linux, definatly cool. > > The interface is QT-Embeded, but you can find way more about it here: > > http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,699,00.html > http://developer.sharpsec.com/ > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:13 PM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA > > > > > I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have > any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Michael Long Sr. Database Engineer Phone: 978.729.3534 Email: mlong(a)datalong.com

April 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 3D and Laptop

by Scott Venier

On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Have you succeeded in making it (8K, which is what I have too) > successfully resume from suspend with DRI turned on? If I turn on DRI > (using either XF 4.1 or 4.2), the machine will not successfully resume > from either suspend or hibernate to disk. I'm running SuSE 7.3. > I've got an Inspiron 7k, and in order to make it resume I need to switch to a virtual console (ctrl-alt-F1) before suspending. It works fine then. > Overall, I really like the 8K also. The fit and finish is a bit > subpar, and it's certainly a big, heavy machine, but in general it's > very stable. > I just wish it had better battery life. Scott

April 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 3D and Laptop

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 10:42:38 -0400 From: "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)wpi.edu> I couldn't be more happy with my Dell Inspiron 8000 that I bought about 11 months ago (before the nVidia chipset was available, unfortunately). They now offer the choice between ATI or nVidia chipsets, and I couldn't speak more highly of Dell both for personal use and the large number we have at work. I'm using the 32MB version of the Rage 128 chipset, and it does DRI as well as I can expect it to, though I don't use it for much gaming beyond TuxRacer. My $0.02. Have you succeeded in making it (8K, which is what I have too) successfully resume from suspend with DRI turned on? If I turn on DRI (using either XF 4.1 or 4.2), the machine will not successfully resume from either suspend or hibernate to disk. I'm running SuSE 7.3. Overall, I really like the 8K also. The fit and finish is a bit subpar, and it's certainly a big, heavy machine, but in general it's very stable. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 3D and Laptop

by Brian J. Conway

> Anyone have any recommendations for a linux laptop with 3D hardware > acceleration? I'm not particularly interested in the closed source > nvidia drivers so I'm leaning towards the Radeon 7500. I couldn't be more happy with my Dell Inspiron 8000 that I bought about 11 months ago (before the nVidia chipset was available, unfortunately). They now offer the choice between ATI or nVidia chipsets, and I couldn't speak more highly of Dell both for personal use and the large number we have at work. I'm using the 32MB version of the Rage 128 chipset, and it does DRI as well as I can expect it to, though I don't use it for much gaming beyond TuxRacer. My $0.02. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

April 10, 2002

3D and Laptop

by Dennis Payne

Anyone have any recommendations for a linux laptop with 3D hardware acceleration? I'm not particularly interested in the closed source nvidia drivers so I'm leaning towards the Radeon 7500. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

April 10, 2002

REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting which will be held this coming Thursday, April 11th, at 7 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA. At this meeting, WLUG member Tim Keller will describe to us a problem he had with Linux and how he chose to modify his copy of the Linux kernel to add a new signal to solve the problem. This talk will cover some kernel internals and programming. A more detailed abstract can be found on the WLUG website. There will be a raffle as well. Addison Wesley sent me a copy of a book entitled "Embedded Linux - Hardware, Software, and Interfacing" which I'll give to the lucky raffle winner. There is no cost to be in the raffle. I'd also like to entertain a discussion regarding content for future meetings. Here are some thoughts which I had: a) bakeoff between VMware, Win4Lin, and Bochs b) KDE3 c) representative from FSF to discuss GPL and free software d) Maddog e) SuSE 8.0 Please think about this and bring your thoughts to the meeting. If you're bashful or unable to attend the meeting, send them to me via e-mail. Afterwards, we'll make our ever popular pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for pizza and beer, good Linux talk, bashing of evil empires, and the like. We always have a great time so if you've never joined us after a meeting, now would be a good time to start! See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

April 9, 2002

Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #292 - 2 msgs

by JRame17173＠aol.com

Please be advised, my e-mail address has changed. It is now rame620(a)charter.net. Thanks, Jim

April 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux and NTFS on XP

by Michael Frysinger

ntfs read support is in the kernel ... as for write support it exists but i have never used it. i use ntfs read support all the time w/out a prob -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <jfmurphy(a)charter.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 18:50 Subject: [Wlug] Linux and NTFS on XP > In Linux dual boot systems you can mount the Win98 side drive to read > and write using vfat. Question, if you run Win2000 or XP with a NTFS > type file system can you still access the drives from the Linux side. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 9, 2002

Linux and NTFS on XP

by John

In Linux dual boot systems you can mount the Win98 side drive to read and write using vfat. Question, if you run Win2000 or XP with a NTFS type file system can you still access the drives from the Linux side.

April 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > Hah... too bad in my industry, incompetence is pretty common. And > the more incompetent, the more likely you are to be promoted. So > the most incompetent ones are the ones I can't afford to ignore. ;) "The opinions of expressed are not the opinions of my employer" =) But yeah, I can see what you mean. :) -- Josh Huber

April 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 11:01:11PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > Yeah, I guess I look at it a different way -- if they're too > incompetent to hit "reply" in their email client, I probably don't > want to talk to them anyway... Hah... too bad in my industry, incompetence is pretty common. And the more incompetent, the more likely you are to be promoted. So the most incompetent ones are the ones I can't afford to ignore. ;) > With TMDA you can use the tmda-pending utility to show a list of > messages which are unconfirmed. Some people seem to like having cron > send them a daily list of messages in the unconfirmed list. (or, > perhaps a list of new messages in the pending directory...) That's a good point. If I don't want to make people reply to confirmation messages, I could simply run a whitelist by default, /dev/null all the blacklisted items, and inspect the "purgatory" spool once a week or so to update both lists. -Chuck

April 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > TMDA looks interesting, but despite all the propaganda for > whitelist-only, I really don't want to risk losing a contact because > someone didn't understand, or bother to reply to the autogenerated > response. Yeah, I guess I look at it a different way -- if they're too incompetent to hit "reply" in their email client, I probably don't want to talk to them anyway... > As it is now, my junk is routed to a junk spool that I check on a > somewhat-weekly basis, just to make sure I didn't accidentally junk > a message from a potential customer, or other business contact > that's just lame enough to send a spam-looking message from his > Yahoo account. (Yeah, it happens!!) With TMDA you can use the tmda-pending utility to show a list of messages which are unconfirmed. Some people seem to like having cron send them a daily list of messages in the unconfirmed list. (or, perhaps a list of new messages in the pending directory...) So, it's not like you never get the chance to see the message. You can look in the list and say, oh...release that message for me. (etc.) > Spamassassin looks cool, but I don't admin the machine where my mail > is processed, so it may be a while before I can set that up. ;) > (It's actually a Redhat 5.1 system that hasn't been touched since > Redhat 5.1 was brand new. We've only installed security upgrades.) Yeah, I haven't tried it, but I've also heard good things about spamassassin. ttyl, -- Josh Huber

April 6, 2002

Redundant Mail....

by wlug＠beakerware.net

I couldn't think of a better way of phrasing it. I'm running Courier for incoming SMTP, POP3, IMAP, and webmail. The mail itself is stored using Maildirs in user's home directory. Short of running something like rsync between my primary box and backup, is their any good way of getting redundancy into the picture here? I already have the backup box setup as a relay in case the primary goes down, but that doesn't make the mail any closer to the user.... -mike

April 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:01:21PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > > Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? > > Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier > > if I only had to do it for exceptions. > > Hmm, dunno about a RBL, but TMDA is really cool...perhaps you should > check it out? > > http://tmda.sf.net/ TMDA looks interesting, but despite all the propaganda for whitelist-only, I really don't want to risk losing a contact because someone didn't understand, or bother to reply to the autogenerated response. As it is now, my junk is routed to a junk spool that I check on a somewhat-weekly basis, just to make sure I didn't accidentally junk a message from a potential customer, or other business contact that's just lame enough to send a spam-looking message from his Yahoo account. (Yeah, it happens!!) Spamassassin looks cool, but I don't admin the machine where my mail is processed, so it may be a while before I can set that up. ;) (It's actually a Redhat 5.1 system that hasn't been touched since Redhat 5.1 was brand new. We've only installed security upgrades.) But I did find mention of ordb.org on the spamassassin web site, which has solved my immediate problem. ;) > > BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to > > 40 messages. Can anyone beat that? > > Hmm, that's about what I get. Lately I've been getting a lot of > chinese spam with unreadable subject/body, which is interesting. Korean, for me. Odd. -Chuck

April 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by doug waud

Hi all Josh Huber wrote: > > "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > Try ipchains -L too, since you might have an ipchains based firewall. > > I doubt it, since he's running 2.4.10... > > Of course, it's possible, but I doubt SuSE would ship a firewall setup > with 2.4.x, and use the compatibility module for ipchains... I have SuSE 7.2 and I get a response to ipchains -L but not to iptables -L :-) (uname -r gives 2.4.4-4GB) SuSE supplies two firewalls, a personal one (a quickie, basically just masquerading) and "SuSE firewall". The latter is configured via a file /etc/rc.config.d/firewall.rc.config which has this line Note: For 2.4 kernels, you need to have ipchains support enabled. in the comments section. So Chuck's instincts seem well-based. In SuSE's defense, this is back at 2.4.4 kernel which, I gather, was not quite ready for prime time even with the ipchains modules. Also SuSe does not claim to hand-hold for firewall stuff; you have to pay extra for that >-) doug PS My spell-checker thinks "firewall" might be "fireball" :-)

April 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? > Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier > if I only had to do it for exceptions. Hmm, dunno about a RBL, but TMDA is really cool...perhaps you should check it out? http://tmda.sf.net/ > BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to > 40 messages. Can anyone beat that? Hmm, that's about what I get. Lately I've been getting a lot of chinese spam with unreadable subject/body, which is interesting. ttyl, -- Josh Huber

April 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Josh Huber

"Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > Try ipchains -L too, since you might have an ipchains based firewall. I doubt it, since he's running 2.4.10... Of course, it's possible, but I doubt SuSE would ship a firewall setup with 2.4.x, and use the compatibility module for ipchains... > Maybe the TCP timers are different on Linux? They are in > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp*. Perhaps... I would think the firewall would only timeout connections which are being masq'd and run through connection tracking...and in that case, I thought the default timeout was pretty high. try iptables -t nat -L to see what's going on there. -- Josh Huber

April 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] next meeting

by Keller, Tim

Yup, actually I'm doing a presentation on writing a system call for the linux kernel. Speaking of which, I need to get back to working on my presentation... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Venier [mailto:scott@scooter.cx] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:23 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] next meeting Any chance we have a topic yet? Scott On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > Yup, at last check the 11th is still on! > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goblaskas, Dana [mailto:goblaskasd@grafton.k12.ma.us] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:18 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] next meeting > > > Hello, > > I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is > still on. I have a few students in a computer science > independent study who are interested in attending. If the > meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please > e-mail me back and let me know. > > Thank you! > > Dana > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] next meeting

by Scott Venier

Any chance we have a topic yet? Scott On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > Yup, at last check the 11th is still on! > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goblaskas, Dana [mailto:goblaskasd@grafton.k12.ma.us] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:18 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] next meeting > > > Hello, > > I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is > still on. I have a few students in a computer science > independent study who are interested in attending. If the > meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please > e-mail me back and let me know. > > Thank you! > > Dana > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] next meeting

by Keller, Tim

Yup, at last check the 11th is still on! Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Goblaskas, Dana [mailto:goblaskasd@grafton.k12.ma.us] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:18 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] next meeting Hello, I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is still on. I have a few students in a computer science independent study who are interested in attending. If the meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please e-mail me back and let me know. Thank you! Dana _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 5, 2002

next meeting

by Goblaskas, Dana

Hello, I just wanted to check if the meeting for April 11th is still on. I have a few students in a computer science independent study who are interested in attending. If the meeting is still going to take place 4/11 at 7:00pm, please e-mail me back and let me know. Thank you! Dana

April 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] CPU & Bad NFS Question

by Marc Hughes

Also, forgot to mention it ... any ideas on how to make this not happen in the first place? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hughes Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:11 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] CPU & Bad NFS Question So yesterday I had an nfs mount go bad (thought it would be a great idea to just use nfs for a few minutes to do some file comparisons across machines) .. And since then the CPU utilizaion on the machine has been pegged out. The machine still is very responsive. When the mount went bad ... I couldn't do anything with any process that was using anything on that volume. I tried a bunch of stuff, but eventually just shut down NFS (so the processes got an I/O error and died) and did an "umount -f" on that volume. Any ideas on how to make this better? -Marc CPU0 states: 14.0% user, 85.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle CPU1 states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 1048088K av, 1023836K used, 24252K free, 0K shrd, 45404K buff Swap: 1052248K av, 148K used, 1052100K free 763964K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE LC STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 20099 hughesm 16 0 940 940 696 3 R 2.6 0.0 0:00 top 20074 root 2 0 1716 1704 1188 2 S 0.3 0.1 0:00 sshd 1 root 0 0 484 484 408 3 S 0.0 0.0 2:31 init 2 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 0:18 kflushd 3 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:22 kupdate 4 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:00 kswapd _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 4, 2002

CPU & Bad NFS Question

by Marc Hughes

So yesterday I had an nfs mount go bad (thought it would be a great idea to just use nfs for a few minutes to do some file comparisons across machines) .. And since then the CPU utilizaion on the machine has been pegged out. The machine still is very responsive. When the mount went bad ... I couldn't do anything with any process that was using anything on that volume. I tried a bunch of stuff, but eventually just shut down NFS (so the processes got an I/O error and died) and did an "umount -f" on that volume. Any ideas on how to make this better? -Marc CPU0 states: 14.0% user, 85.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle CPU1 states: 50.0% user, 50.0% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle Mem: 1048088K av, 1023836K used, 24252K free, 0K shrd, 45404K buff Swap: 1052248K av, 148K used, 1052100K free 763964K cached PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE LC STAT %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND 20099 hughesm 16 0 940 940 696 3 R 2.6 0.0 0:00 top 20074 root 2 0 1716 1704 1188 2 S 0.3 0.1 0:00 sshd 1 root 0 0 484 484 408 3 S 0.0 0.0 2:31 init 2 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 0:18 kflushd 3 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:22 kupdate 4 root 0 0 0 0 0 2 SW 0.0 0.0 9:00 kswapd

April 4, 2002

ADV: Harvest lots of Email addresses quickly

by eyou321

April 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Clint Moyer

I used Galaxy for about 4 years with zero problems before I went cable last year. Clint -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Michelle Vadeboncoeur Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:42 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area) On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: SCD> A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put SCD> together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less SCD> expensive "dial-up account". SCD> SCD> Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He SCD> doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the SCD> day. Speaking of which, does anyone have any experience with either gis.net or thecia.net ? $20 set-up fee, $14.95/month. prepay 6 or more months, it's $11.95/month. sign-up online, and you get $5 off teh $20 set-up fee ($15 instead). I'm looking for a better plan than the AT&T Worldnet service that my mother has. She used to be on AT&T's 7/7 plan ($7/mo., 7c/min long distance, the basic ATT Worldnet service (150 hours/mo., with ads)), but ATT just dropped herfrom that with no warning (saying that thethe plan was no longer offered), so now she's stuck looking for long distance service and also internet service. (The ATT Worldnet alone is >$15/mo.) In her experience, I can definately say to stay away from Juno (and since they're with NetZero now...) -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by stark＠galaxy.net

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 01:32:22PM -0500, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > I used Galaxy for about 4 years with zero problems before I went cable last > year. Another good point of galaxy is that I can use IMAP. For some reason they don't officially tell it though. Is there any cable ISP providing IMAP ? /stark

April 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: SCD> A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put SCD> together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less SCD> expensive "dial-up account". SCD> SCD> Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He SCD> doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the SCD> day. Speaking of which, does anyone have any experience with either gis.net or thecia.net ? $20 set-up fee, $14.95/month. prepay 6 or more months, it's $11.95/month. sign-up online, and you get $5 off teh $20 set-up fee ($15 instead). I'm looking for a better plan than the AT&T Worldnet service that my mother has. She used to be on AT&T's 7/7 plan ($7/mo., 7c/min long distance, the basic ATT Worldnet service (150 hours/mo., with ads)), but ATT just dropped herfrom that with no warning (saying that thethe plan was no longer offered), so now she's stuck looking for long distance service and also internet service. (The ATT Worldnet alone is >$15/mo.) In her experience, I can definately say to stay away from Juno (and since they're with NetZero now...) -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

April 3, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Mike

You can take a look at surfbest or cognisurf. $12.50/month. http://www.alllongdistance.com/web.html BTW, being up front this is my site. Michael LaPointe > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:42 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area) > > > A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put > together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less > expensive "dial-up account". > > Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He > doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times > during the > day. > > Also, anyone know if you can set-up email forwarding in AOL? > > Thanks! > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by The Greater Worcester Land Trust

For what it is worth I can say that I have been on Ultranet, RCN and Cyberonic dial-up accounts quite a bit, and I have some experience with Netway as well. Ultranet got eaten (too bad too.) I found RCN's service to be very solid and reliable, but their billing policies have a tendency towards the duplicitous. Also the service line leads into endless oblivion, and they have a policy of never letting you get a name or a service tech back on the line, or even a consistent call center. I was less than a fan. Cyberonic has been solid so far (using it since January), and the tech line has not required hours on hold. I have been pretty happy with them. Buy a year with Cyberonic and it works out to $13.99 a month. Buy two years up front and it is less. Unlimited dialup, with a restriction of keeping any one log on to under 8 hours (thought they have not pulled the plug on an active transfer at 8 hours for me, just a dead line) Also Cyberonic has an office in Worcester. Netway is ok, but the pipe gets real small during the busy part of the day and you want to shoot yourself waiting for stuff (folks with their own cable modem have no idea how close you live to insanity on a dial up line to begin with so any further constriction is pure torture.) My thoughts. Ignore them. Colin On Wed, 03 Apr 2002 08:41:51 -0500, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: >A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put >together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less >expensive "dial-up account". > >Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He >doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the >day. > >Also, anyone know if you can set-up email forwarding in AOL? > >Thanks! >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Gary J. Hanley

Until late last year I would have recommended my ISP, www.theworld.com. However they have faltered as of late, especially with their mail system and other small issues that add up to one big one. But, you can get a cheap and limited account there so if he doesn't mind dealing with intermittent email issues maybe it's what he's looking for...? -- Gary On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put > together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less > expensive "dial-up account". > Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He > doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the > day. > Also, anyone know if you can set-up email forwarding in AOL? > Thanks! > Steve

April 3, 2002

Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Stephen C. Daukas

A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less expensive "dial-up account". Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the day. Also, anyone know if you can set-up email forwarding in AOL? Thanks! Steve

April 3, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area)

by Simoncini, Matthew

www.speakeasy.net -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:42 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Looking for dial-up provider (Westboro area) A friend of mine has a small business in Westborough and I helped put together a web site for him. He now wants to dump AOL and get a less expensive "dial-up account". Anyone have a recommendation? He is paying ~$25/month for AOL... He doesn't want/need Charter, just wants to check mail a few times during the day. Also, anyone know if you can set-up email forwarding in AOL? Thanks! Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 3, 2002

Another interesting .signature...

by Stephen C. Daukas

"Volk" means "people". You can figure out the rest. "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Ad "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler

April 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Jason Calvert

Sounds like a firewall problem. Just for fun you might try lowering your keepalive time to say 29 min, or even lower just for testing, and see if that helps. The default is 2 hours (7200 sec) or 14400 half sec on bsd) cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time 7200 you can use sysctl or just echo the new value in echo 1740 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time or sudo /sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time=1740 Anyone know if this works for clients as well as daemons? Jason On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 09:36, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Hello all, > > I recently traded in my Solaris 8 (x86) install for SuSE Linux 7.3 and now > am having problems keeping telnet sessions open for extended periods of > time. Let me give a little background on what I use this box for. > > Basically my linux box is used as a workstation for system monitoring. I > usually have 6 to 8 separate desktops which I use to separate our different > Unix environments (i.e. development, test, production ...). I may run HP > Openview client on one desktop to monitor alerts and keep telnet sessions > open on other desktops in order to quickly access a given server. > > Until recently I've been using Solaris 8 (x86) with no problems, but decided > I wanted to get comfortable with linux and prove to my boss that there are > many nice things we can do with linux that we can't do with Solaris. I > installed SuSe 7.3 (2.4.10 kernel) and since have had troubles keeping > telnet connections alive. What I mean by that is, when I leave the linux > workstation inactive for a period of time (let's say 30 minutes), my telnet > sessions are disconnected with the message "Connection closed by foreign > host". I can find no messages in /var/adm/messages (on the Solaris side) or > /var/log/messages (on the linux side). > > Anyone have this type of problem or more importantly, can someone point me > in the right direction? > > Thanks. > > Matthew > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Charles R. Anderson

Try ipchains -L too, since you might have an ipchains based firewall. On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 11:33:44AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: Matthew.Simoncini> This is really quite interesting to me, so any input is very helpful. Maybe the TCP timers are different on Linux? They are in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp*. Some docs for these variables are available here: http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.4/doc/networking/ip-sysctl.txt.html You might also want to look at the tcp(7) manual page where they also document the sysctls: man 7 tcp -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

April 2, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Simoncini, Matthew

I executed the iptables -L command and got the following output: Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination I'm not really that familiar with firewalls in linux, but I would assume that iptables is running without rules? I also noticed that it's not one particular host that bumps me out of telnet, but all connections and all hosts. The network folks don't know (or maybe they do) that I'm running linux on the network, but is there a way for them to periodically reset the port I'm using in the data closet? This is really quite interesting to me, so any input is very helpful. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:11 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:36:00AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Anyone have this type of problem or more importantly, can someone point me > in the right direction? My first two thoughts are: iptables times out your connection for some reason, or the remote side has an autologout value set. Is there a firewall setup on your box? You can do "iptables -L" to find out. As for autologout, I would think this would have affected you before, but it's something to rule out anyway. What shell are you using on the remote machines? If it's a csh variant, run "echo $autologout" and see what it comes back with. If it comes back with a defined non-0 value, that is a likely cause of your problem. Run "set autologout=0" and see if that fixes your problem. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Note that if I can get you to \"su and say\" something just by asking, you have a very serious security problem on your system and you should look into it." (By Paul Vixie, vixie-cron 3.0.1 installation notes) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:57:42AM -0500, Chuck Homic wrote: > BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 > messages. Can anyone beat that? I'm currently at 49 since midnight on April 1st. This isn't counting the spams rejected at the SMTP level that I never see. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence." - Sinclair on Babylon 5

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 09:36:00AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Anyone have this type of problem or more importantly, can someone point me > in the right direction? My first two thoughts are: iptables times out your connection for some reason, or the remote side has an autologout value set. Is there a firewall setup on your box? You can do "iptables -L" to find out. As for autologout, I would think this would have affected you before, but it's something to rule out anyway. What shell are you using on the remote machines? If it's a csh variant, run "echo $autologout" and see what it comes back with. If it comes back with a defined non-0 value, that is a likely cause of your problem. Run "set autologout=0" and see if that fixes your problem. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Note that if I can get you to \"su and say\" something just by asking, you have a very serious security problem on your system and you should look into it." (By Paul Vixie, vixie-cron 3.0.1 installation notes)

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Adam ＠ Oak

Only my hotmail account beats that ;-). Of course, that's what its there for... -Adam > BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 > messages. Can anyone beat that? "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 02, 2002 at 10:57:42AM -0500, Chuck Homic wrote: > I'm getting quite a lot of crap email these days, ever since ORBS/ORBL & > Co. disappeared, and MAPS went to a fee-based service. (I'm really not > planning to pay $200/yr for a single blackhole list.) I was never really > crazy about MAPS to begin with, because they tried too hard to be "fair." MAPS is still free for non-commercial use. There are many others out there. > Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although > it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had > to do it for exceptions. > > BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 > messages. Can anyone beat that? check out: http://www.kluge.net/mailfiltering/ I've been writing up most of what I do on my machine. It's partially written for my users and partially written for other people who want to find out about mail filtering. At a minimum, I have a listing of the RBLs that I specifically use. There are more out there. My main suggestion to you is: get SpamAssassin. For anything that gets through your MTA, it'll clear up your inbox. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Minix is one of the reasons I decided microkernels are bad. VMS is the reason I decided VMS is bad." - Linus Torvalds

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RBL access

by Charles R. Anderson

Use Spamassassin. Seriously. It works. Very well. http://www.spamassassin.org/ -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

April 2, 2002

RBL access

by Chuck Homic

Hey, guys. I'm getting quite a lot of crap email these days, ever since ORBS/ORBL & Co. disappeared, and MAPS went to a fee-based service. (I'm really not planning to pay $200/yr for a single blackhole list.) I was never really crazy about MAPS to begin with, because they tried too hard to be "fair." ;) ORBS was hyper-aggressive, and rocked. (About 80% of my crap email was filtered by ORBS, and I had special pre-RBL filters that extracted mail from friends using bad ISP's with open relays.) Anyway, is anyone using (or know of) a freely-queriable RBL? Although it's fun to upgrade the keyword filter, it would be easier if I only had to do it for exceptions. BTW, for the curious, my daily haul of junk mail varies from 20 to 40 messages. Can anyone beat that? -Chuck

April 2, 2002

Problems dropping telnet sessions

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hello all, I recently traded in my Solaris 8 (x86) install for SuSE Linux 7.3 and now am having problems keeping telnet sessions open for extended periods of time. Let me give a little background on what I use this box for. Basically my linux box is used as a workstation for system monitoring. I usually have 6 to 8 separate desktops which I use to separate our different Unix environments (i.e. development, test, production ...). I may run HP Openview client on one desktop to monitor alerts and keep telnet sessions open on other desktops in order to quickly access a given server. Until recently I've been using Solaris 8 (x86) with no problems, but decided I wanted to get comfortable with linux and prove to my boss that there are many nice things we can do with linux that we can't do with Solaris. I installed SuSe 7.3 (2.4.10 kernel) and since have had troubles keeping telnet connections alive. What I mean by that is, when I leave the linux workstation inactive for a period of time (let's say 30 minutes), my telnet sessions are disconnected with the message "Connection closed by foreign host". I can find no messages in /var/adm/messages (on the Solaris side) or /var/log/messages (on the linux side). Anyone have this type of problem or more importantly, can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. Matthew

April 2, 2002

Re: poor PCMCIA network performance

by Mark J. Dulcey

Robert L Krawitz wrote: > I use two network cards in my Dell Inspiron 8000 (PIII-700): a 3Com > 3CCFE574BT and a Linksys wireless card. With the 3Com card (which is > a 10/100) I never get better than 1.4 MB/sec (about 12 Mb/sec), even > when the card is in 100 Mb mode (at some point in the past the limit > was about 2.5 MB/sec). At that rate, top shows my CPU utilization > pegged at about 100%, even doing a simple ftp. I know the card > doesn't do DMA, but that's rather slow even for a PIO transfer. These > cards have been around for ages; I don't think people would have been > too satisfied with 400 KB/sec saturating a 200 MHz system. Your results with the 3Com card are normal for a 16-bit PCMCIA card. The wall you're hitting is the PCMCIA interface. You would have done much better to get a CardBus card (such as the 3CCFE575CT); you should be able to saturate a Fast Ethernet with one of those, and the CPU utilization would be lower. Basically, 10/100 16-bit cards are something of a lie, since you can never get anywhere near 100 Mbps from them. The same is true of 10/100 USB interfaces (the 12 Mbps speed of USB is a hard limit), though USB 2.0 (480 Mbps) could be different if anyone ever produces a USB 2.0 Ethernet interface. > On the Linksys card, I likewise never get more than about 250 KB/sec, > even if the computer is right next to the WAP and the link quality is > 92/92, suggesting that I'm also hitting up against a hard limit. The > WAP is connected to my main system via the motherboard ethernet, which > I know from other means (when I was transferring data from my previous > system to the current one) has no trouble maxing out at 10 MB/sec > (that ethernet does DMA). Not sure about that one; it may be that you're doing about as well as 802.11b and your access point will allow. The bit rate of 802.11b is 11Mbps, but there are other issues with wireless, such as latency (always higher than wired LANs) and delays for the collision avoidance.

April 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] poor PCMCIA network performance

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:23:12 -0500 From: "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> Using FTP to check the speed of the network is not a great idea, especially on slow laptop disks. You could be running into the limitations of your disk subsystem. There is a program called ttcp which will test TCP performance with nothing else involved. My laptop disk is fast enough (it's an IBM 32 GB 5400 RPM device); the disk streaming bandwidth (writing to a file) is in excess of 10 MB/sec. The disk on my main system is a SCSI disk that benchmarks at >30 MB/sec. Are those card 16-bit PCMCIA, or 32-bit Cardbus? If they are 16-bit, you are probably maxing out the bus. 16-bit PCMCIA is no better than the old ISA bus in terms of speed. 32-bit Cardbus is like PCI. The wired card is 16 bit. I don't know about the wireless Linksys; I suspect that it is also. For the 10/100 card, check the settings to be sure that both ends of the link are operating at the same duplex. If you are connecting to a repeater (hub, not a switch) you must be using half duplex. If you are connecting to a switch, then the card has to be configured for the same duplex as the switch or you will have horrible performance. Alternatively, the card and the switch can be configured for autonegotiation, so they will both agree on the "best" settings that they both support. Unfortunately, autonegotiation is sometimes buggy and sometimes doesn't work right between different vendor's devices. This is more of a problem with older network devices. I'll look into that. Thanks. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 1, 2002

T&G guotes

by doug waud

Hi I liked the following two quotes in today's (4/1/02) Telegram and Gazette (page A8) "Microsoft bids to acquire Catholic Church" and "Microsoft exploding an underground nuclear device" doug

April 1, 2002

Re: [Wlug] poor PCMCIA network performance

by Charles R. Anderson

Using FTP to check the speed of the network is not a great idea, especially on slow laptop disks. You could be running into the limitations of your disk subsystem. There is a program called ttcp which will test TCP performance with nothing else involved. Are those card 16-bit PCMCIA, or 32-bit Cardbus? If they are 16-bit, you are probably maxing out the bus. 16-bit PCMCIA is no better than the old ISA bus in terms of speed. 32-bit Cardbus is like PCI. For the 10/100 card, check the settings to be sure that both ends of the link are operating at the same duplex. If you are connecting to a repeater (hub, not a switch) you must be using half duplex. If you are connecting to a switch, then the card has to be configured for the same duplex as the switch or you will have horrible performance. Alternatively, the card and the switch can be configured for autonegotiation, so they will both agree on the "best" settings that they both support. Unfortunately, autonegotiation is sometimes buggy and sometimes doesn't work right between different vendor's devices. This is more of a problem with older network devices. On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 08:14:06AM -0500, Robert L Krawitz wrote: rlk> I use two network cards in my Dell Inspiron 8000 (PIII-700): a 3Com rlk> 3CCFE574BT and a Linksys wireless card. With the 3Com card (which is rlk> a 10/100) I never get better than 1.4 MB/sec (about 12 Mb/sec), even rlk> when the card is in 100 Mb mode (at some point in the past the limit rlk> was about 2.5 MB/sec). At that rate, top shows my CPU utilization rlk> pegged at about 100%, even doing a simple ftp. I know the card rlk> doesn't do DMA, but that's rather slow even for a PIO transfer. These rlk> cards have been around for ages; I don't think people would have been rlk> too satisfied with 400 KB/sec saturating a 200 MHz system. rlk> rlk> On the Linksys card, I likewise never get more than about 250 KB/sec, rlk> even if the computer is right next to the WAP and the link quality is rlk> 92/92, suggesting that I'm also hitting up against a hard limit. The rlk> WAP is connected to my main system via the motherboard ethernet, which rlk> I know from other means (when I was transferring data from my previous rlk> system to the current one) has no trouble maxing out at 10 MB/sec rlk> (that ethernet does DMA). -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

April 1, 2002

RE: [Wlug] T&G guotes

by Keller, Tim

Well, the first one I could actually conceive of... You figure, if they acquire the catholic church they'd just decree that as of baptism you signed the EULA (sorta like opening the package means you agree to the terms (that are on the slip of paper inside the package..)) since the EULA basically means microsoft could set off a nuclear device and get away with it, they'd have no problem proving in court that the church isn't responsible for faulty prietware. As for the nuclear device, If its a microsoft nuclear device I can see the following things happening... 1. Needs repeated reboots before exploding. 2. The trigger will need to have a service pack installed. 3. You'll need to buy MSND 1.5 to get the newest features (like exploding) 4. You'll need to have IE installed along with the latest direct X drivers. 5. before exploding you'll need to get a MSND registration number and enter it in binary using a telegraph pad. 6. "Explode" and "Disarm" will be the same button... Just some thoughts... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:36 AM To: wlug Subject: [Wlug] T&G guotes Hi I liked the following two quotes in today's (4/1/02) Telegram and Gazette (page A8) "Microsoft bids to acquire Catholic Church" and "Microsoft exploding an underground nuclear device" doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2002

poor PCMCIA network performance

by Robert L Krawitz

I use two network cards in my Dell Inspiron 8000 (PIII-700): a 3Com 3CCFE574BT and a Linksys wireless card. With the 3Com card (which is a 10/100) I never get better than 1.4 MB/sec (about 12 Mb/sec), even when the card is in 100 Mb mode (at some point in the past the limit was about 2.5 MB/sec). At that rate, top shows my CPU utilization pegged at about 100%, even doing a simple ftp. I know the card doesn't do DMA, but that's rather slow even for a PIO transfer. These cards have been around for ages; I don't think people would have been too satisfied with 400 KB/sec saturating a 200 MHz system. On the Linksys card, I likewise never get more than about 250 KB/sec, even if the computer is right next to the WAP and the link quality is 92/92, suggesting that I'm also hitting up against a hard limit. The WAP is connected to my main system via the motherboard ethernet, which I know from other means (when I was transferring data from my previous system to the current one) has no trouble maxing out at 10 MB/sec (that ethernet does DMA). eth1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"..." Nickname:"..." Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437GHz Access Point: 00:04:5A:CF:F3:B1 Bit Rate:11Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity:1/3 Retry min limit:8 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off Power Management:off Link Quality:26/92 Signal level:-76 dBm Noise level:-149 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 invalid crypt:0 invalid misc:0 I'm running SuSE 7.3 on both systems, with a recompiled kernel based on kernel-source-2.4.16.SuSE-24. I'm not (or don't think I am) running a firewall or NAT on the laptop, despite what's in the module list. I've had no luck finding anything on the net. Modules that look like they should be relevant are: orinoco_cs 4352 1 orinoco 27312 0 [orinoco_cs] hermes 3200 0 [orinoco_cs orinoco] af_packet 11616 0 (autoclean) appletalk 18832 0 (autoclean) ipx 15008 0 (autoclean) ds 6384 2 [orinoco_cs] yenta_socket 8368 2 pcmcia_core 37568 0 [orinoco_cs ds yenta_socket] ipv6 124480 -1 (autoclean) iptable_nat 12560 0 (autoclean) (unused) ip_conntrack 12656 1 (autoclean) [iptable_nat] iptable_filter 1728 0 (autoclean) (unused) ip_tables 10304 4 [iptable_nat iptable_filter] Suggestions? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 1, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Humorous signature file...

by Josh Huber

Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> writes: > Yeah, I think I know at least one person on the list with this > bumper sticker on his car... > > fsck! :) What a dork! ;) -- Josh Huber

March 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Request from academic researcher -- follow up

by Clint Moyer

Wow! I cannot even imagine a better example of misdirection... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Utpal M. Dholakia Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:01 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Request from academic researcher -- follow up Dear Linux User Group Moderator: I am a faculty member in the Jones school of management at Rice University in Houston, Texas (this may be verified using a Google search with "Paul Dholakia", or "Utpal Dholakia"). We are conducting an academic research project, studying social interactions online, and how communities organized around products or brands are formed, from a sociological perspective. In this regard, LINUX user groups and mailing lists provide a wonderful context to study these sociological issues. We are conducting a survey of members of LINUX user groups/ mailing lists seeking information on different elements of their thoughts, feelings, and motivations of participating in such groups, and the value of the group to them... The survey is available on the web at the following URL: http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 Of course, this research is strictly academic, and has no commercial links or interests whatsoever. We hope to publish this research in a sociology journal. As a small token of our appreciation for participants' time, and in the spirit of the philosophy underlying the open-source movement, we will donate $500 total to the five favorite organizations/ groups of our participants' choice (we ask the participant's to nominate their favorite groups in the survey). I am writing to seek your help in conducting this research, first through participating, and second, through encouraging your user group members to participate in the research.. This will not take more than ten minutes of your (and their time). Broad participation will increase the validity and generalizability of our findings, making the research more useful. We welcome all help, and look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Paul Dholakia Assistant Professor Rice University http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dholakia _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 29, 2002

Request from academic researcher -- follow up

by Utpal M. Dholakia

Dear Linux User Group Moderator: I am a faculty member in the Jones school of management at Rice University in Houston, Texas (this may be verified using a Google search with "Paul Dholakia", or "Utpal Dholakia"). We are conducting an academic research project, studying social interactions online, and how communities organized around products or brands are formed, from a sociological perspective. In this regard, LINUX user groups and mailing lists provide a wonderful context to study these sociological issues. We are conducting a survey of members of LINUX user groups/ mailing lists seeking information on different elements of their thoughts, feelings, and motivations of participating in such groups, and the value of the group to them... The survey is available on the web at the following URL: http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 Of course, this research is strictly academic, and has no commercial links or interests whatsoever. We hope to publish this research in a sociology journal. As a small token of our appreciation for participants' time, and in the spirit of the philosophy underlying the open-source movement, we will donate $500 total to the five favorite organizations/ groups of our participants' choice (we ask the participant's to nominate their favorite groups in the survey). I am writing to seek your help in conducting this research, first through participating, and second, through encouraging your user group members to participate in the research.. This will not take more than ten minutes of your (and their time). Broad participation will increase the validity and generalizability of our findings, making the research more useful. We welcome all help, and look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes, Paul Dholakia Assistant Professor Rice University http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dholakia

March 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Humorous signature file...

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:46:01AM -0500, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > (The first day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be the > day they start making vacuum-cleaners) Yeah, I think I know at least one person on the list with this bumper sticker on his car... fsck! :) -Chuck

March 29, 2002

Humorous signature file...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Came across this one in a newsgroup: (The first day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum-cleaners) Steve

March 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by Wesley Allen

Skip, That's $80 w/o a windows license. Right? Wes Skip Gaede wrote: >Folks, > >This is not a commercial endorsement. I just installed Win4Lin, the product >that lets you run Windows under Linux, and, for those occasions when you need >Windows, it's very nice. Performance is decent, and there are only a few >enhancements needed: > >1) Max memory supported for Windows is 64 MB >2) Only supports serial, parallel, and virtual NIC (no scanners, USB) >3) No DirectX yet > >They're working on adding those goodies. But I can run Photo-Paint, TurboTax, >some Windows-based Bible software packages, ... all without multibooting. > >At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. > >--Skip >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by Skip Gaede

On Thursday 28 March 2002 08:29 am, you wrote: > On 28 Mar 2002, at 7:31, Skip Gaede wrote: > > Folks, > > <snip> > > Granted, I haven't used wine in quite some time, nor do I use the > windows products you mentioned, but doesn't wine support them? > > Though, I remember wine being not fun to setup, so a "plug-and- > play" win emu product is cool > > James > KB1FJQ I looked into buying Photo-Paint for Linux, and as I recall, they had a munged version of wine for their product. Not only that, they had a different munged version of wine to support their latest version of Corel Office (whatever it's called). This version is being supplied to the government, and they have an agreement with Mandrake as well. The web site is http://www.netraverse.com --Skip

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Win4Lin

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 28 Mar 2002, at 7:31, Skip Gaede wrote: > Folks, > <snip> Granted, I haven't used wine in quite some time, nor do I use the windows products you mentioned, but doesn't wine support them? Though, I remember wine being not fun to setup, so a "plug-and- play" win emu product is cool James KB1FJQ > At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. > > --Skip > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 28, 2002

Win4Lin

by Skip Gaede

Folks, This is not a commercial endorsement. I just installed Win4Lin, the product that lets you run Windows under Linux, and, for those occasions when you need Windows, it's very nice. Performance is decent, and there are only a few enhancements needed: 1) Max memory supported for Windows is 64 MB 2) Only supports serial, parallel, and virtual NIC (no scanners, USB) 3) No DirectX yet They're working on adding those goodies. But I can run Photo-Paint, TurboTax, some Windows-based Bible software packages, ... all without multibooting. At $80.00, that's not a bad price to pay. --Skip

March 28, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Skip Gaede

On Monday 25 March 2002 11:59 am, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host > > adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide > > Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) > > Warning - detected auto-termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: > > (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. Mar 25 > > 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the > > device termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec > > SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: > > (scsi0) during machine bootup. > > This just means the card is set to detect if termination is in place. You > can turn it off you have terminators on all the appropriate ends, but it > doesn't really matter. > > > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, > > Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal > > cable configuration!! Only two Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) > > connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! > > Apparently, you can only use 2 of the 3 connectors on the card (external > 68-pin, internal 50-pin, and and internal 68-pin). I've never run into > that one before, myself. You must choose, but choose... wisely. > > -b > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Note: You can attach a narrow drive to a wide cable with a 68 --> 50 pin adapter. I have a wide drive and a narrow tape device and they are both connected to my wide cable...

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:55:51AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > My recollection agrees with this error message, which is basically that > you're not supposed to be using all 3 of the SCSI connectors on the card. To clarify, I used to have a AHA-2940W and found this to be true. I poked at Adaptec's website for you (sorry about the hideously long URL here): http://ask.adaptec.com/cgi-bin/adaptec_tic.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_si… Q: I'm thinking of attaching multiple SCSI devices on my SCSI controller. Can I use all connector available on my SCSI controller? Can I use all Internal and External connectors of my SCSI controller simultaneously? This information applies to the following product(s): - AVA-2906, AHA-2930, AHA-2930C, AHA-2930CU, AHA-2940, AHA-2940U, AHA- 2940W, AHA-2944W, AHA-2944UW, AHA-2940UW, AHA-3940 series, AHA-3940U, AHA-3940W, AHA-3940UW,2940U2W, AHA-2930U2, 3950U2, Adaptec SCSI Card- 19160, Adaptec SCSI Card-29160N, Adaptec SCSI Card-29160, Adaptec SCSI Card- 39160 A: It is possible to use all internal and external connectors simultaneously on all currently produced Adaptec's SCSI cards/controllers. Just make sure you have the proper SCSI cables, terminations on your SCSI Bus and devices. Caution: This is with the exception of the AHA-2940W and AHA-2940UW controllers. The only 2940UW series controller to support the use of all three connectors at the same time, was the AHA-2940UW Pro. For informational purposes only, the AHA-2940W and AHA-2940UW legacy SCSI cards/ controllers came with three SCSI connectors (two internal and one external). However You can only use any two connectors simultaneously with these controllers. You can either use one connector internally while using the external connector; or use both internal connectors simultaneously but you must not have any device or cable attached externally. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: A collision is a near-miss.

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Brian J. Conway

> Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) during machine bootup. This just means the card is set to detect if termination is in place. You can turn it off you have terminators on all the appropriate ends, but it doesn't really matter. > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! Apparently, you can only use 2 of the 3 connectors on the card (external 68-pin, internal 50-pin, and and internal 68-pin). I've never run into that one before, myself. You must choose, but choose... wisely. -b

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SCSI error message

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:48:57AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two > Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! > > > Other than these messages, the disk seems to be working fine. I've > tried different termination settings on the disk, but nothing has > helped. There is a terminator on the scsi cable, and I did not change > it. > > Any ideas? My recollection agrees with this error message, which is basically that you're not supposed to be using all 3 of the SCSI connectors on the card. Are you actually using all three (internal narrow and wide, and the external wide,) or is that an error? If it's an error, then you probably want to check for an auto-termination setting in the SCSI BIOS. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "How to Boil Water, in 500 easy steps" by Chuck Forsberg.

March 25, 2002

SCSI error message

by Bill Mills-Curran

I added a 2nd disk to my linux box, and I'm getting these messages at boot. (I'm not 100% sure they are new messages, because it's been a long time since I've booted.) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 00:08.0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) <Adaptec AIC-7880 Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 0/8/0 Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=7, 16/255 SCBs Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct. Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) during machine bootup. Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES) Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two Mar 25 09:28:33 pent584 kernel: (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time! Other than these messages, the disk seems to be working fine. I've tried different termination settings on the disk, but nothing has helped. There is a terminator on the scsi cable, and I did not change it. Any ideas? Thanks, Bill

March 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] normal boot up (was: new mandrake)

by Brad Noyes

Thanks Brian and Jeff for the repsonses. I did remove bootsplash, and no more splash screen. Now when i boot up i don't see any kernel messages or and services start up. I only see message displayed when a service fails. Anyone now how to get my boot to display all the messages? so far the new mandrake 'features' have been somewhat annoying. Thanks, --brad

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] /dev permissions & ownership

by Charles R. Anderson

On Red Hat systems, pam_console is configured by default to change the permissions on certain console devices (floppy, cdrom, sound, etc.) when users login/logout of the console. This is done so the console user automatically can use these devices when they log in, and the permissions revert to root when they log out. This is completely configurable through the /etc/security/console.perms file. On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 06:19:05PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of subssn594> them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My subssn594> daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea subssn594> what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the subssn594> permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which subssn594> device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the subssn594> cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] /dev permissions & ownership

by Skip Gaede

On Saturday 23 March 2002 06:19 pm, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of > them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My > daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea > what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the > permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which > device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the > cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) > The script that creates the device files is called MAKEDEV. I don't know what distro you have, but check your CD (or web site) for the script. You may find that it was left in the /dev directory, and all you need to do is execute it. If you use devfs, the devices are created at boot time. --Skip

March 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] wanted: inexpensive server

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

On 22 Mar 2002, at 17:33, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: <SNIP> > Again, thanks in advance for any pointers you can send! I would suggest an IBM PC Server 704 like her: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2011623032 1/2/4-way PPro, up to three redundant power supplies, 12 hot swappable SCSI bays, and sex appeal, IMHO :) Granted, it's not a whiz-bang 8-way Xeon of doom, but it's a pretty robust platform. James KB1FJQ > -- > --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- > --==*==-- > mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 24, 2002

/dev permissions & ownership

by Bill Mills-Curran

I just discovered that something has caused many device files (many of them audio) have ended up with the wrong ownership/permission. (My daughter's account had ownership.) I fixed some, but I have no idea what's the right permissions. Is there some way I can check the permissions? Ideally, there would be a script that would report which device files are not set to the default. (I've changed some, like the cdrom and floppy, intentionally.) TIA, Bill

March 23, 2002

wanted: inexpensive server

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

A small cash-strapped startup just had their email/web/etc. server die on them (hardware issue), and is looking for an inexpensive replacement. If you either have an older server kicking around that you'd like to pass along, or if you can point me to somewhere (like an equipment sale) that may have a box that'll fit the bill, I'd love to hear about it. (We're hoping for something less expensive (or better equipped for the same price) than the new $3000 box that we've been quoted.) Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. :) The main requirements that I was given for a replacement is: dual power supplies 6 drive bays PC-based (Intel/AMD and the like) Plusses: larger amount of hard drive space (the biggest plus) rack-mount Compaq better processor or memory SCSI hot-swappable drives The box will eventually be running Windows 2000 Server and Exchange (but the box that died was a Pentium (something) @200MHz and managed ok (SMALL startup company), so processor speed/memory isn't a major issue). The box will preferrably be running RAID5. As it's a W2k networked site, there's probably going to be a bunch of emailed Office files, so a large amount of HD space is what we're going for. If you need any more information about our needs, feel free to email me. If you don't quite know if the system that you have will work out for us, let me know anyways and I can pass the info along to our main IT guy. Again, thanks in advance for any pointers you can send! -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

March 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Brad Noyes

It does run Qtopia (f.k.a. QT palmtop). I think it also comes with Opera embeded as well. I have Qtopia running on my Ipaq. There's more info at http://qpe.sourceforge.net. It's pretty functional, i think that the one thing it's missing is natural handwriting recognition. It only have a character recognizer like the palm. On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 04:12:38PM -0500, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have > any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA

by Marc Hughes

I got to play with one of these at linux world. I saw ssh working over wireless networking on one of them... definatly linux, definatly cool. The interface is QT-Embeded, but you can find way more about it here: http://www.sharp-usa.com/products/ModelLanding/0,1058,699,00.html http://developer.sharpsec.com/ -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:13 PM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Sharp's Linux PDA I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2002

Sharp's Linux PDA

by Stephen C. Daukas

I hear it runs "embedix", some embedded version of Linux... Anyone have any particulars on this unit, roomers, hearsay, etc.? Steve

March 22, 2002

System for sale

by John Stoffel

Guys, One of my co-workers is trying to sell of a system, anyone interested? Here's the specs, send email to 'gc22(a)lucent.com' if you want to discuss it. For Sale: AMD Athlon 900MHz CPU Asus A7V Motherboard 256MB (133MHz) SDRAM 30GB ATA-100 HDD 50x CD-ROM Matrox Millennium G450 Dual-Head Video (16MB) 3Com 3C905B-TX 10/100 Mbps NIC SoundBlaster Live! Audio John

March 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] new mandrake

by jeff

Brad Noyes wrote: > > Hi all, > i installed the latest mandrake a earlier this week. When i boot the system into linux i get this grphical screen showing the progress of the boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? I find it to be kind of annoying, and want my regular console. > > Thanks, > --brad > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug you poor thing...USE DEBIAN! AH HA HA! j/k seriously, i believe the package you want to remove is called Aurora...i think. do a rpm -q for Aurora and see what comes up. good luck and remeber, who cares what flavor...linux, much like ice-cream...it's all good... peace -jeff

March 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] new mandrake

by Brian J. Conway

> i installed the latest mandrake a earlier this week. When i boot the > system into linux i get this grphical screen showing the progress of the > boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? I find it to be kind of > annoying, and want my regular console. I think the package you want to remove is bootsplash. I'm pretty sure that's it, as Aurora was left out of 8.2 (thank god). Brian J. Conway bconway(a)wpi.edu "I don't think Microsoft is evil in itself. I just think that they make really crappy operating systems." - Linus Torvalds

March 22, 2002

new mandrake

by Brad Noyes

Hi all, i installed the latest mandrake a earlier this week. When i boot the system into linux i get this grphical screen showing the progress of the boot. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? I find it to be kind of annoying, and want my regular console. Thanks, --brad

March 22, 2002

context menu in mozilla 0.9.9

by Baris Hasdemir

hi, I want to put a URL link to one of the context menus in Mozilla. Do you think it is possible? Do you think I have to deal with the source of the program?(which I don't think I can) Or is there another way to alter the values in the context menus? For example, I will highlight a word on a web page, and when right click on it, mozilla will query dict.org with my highlighted word, on a new browser window. I hope my question is clear. thanks, baris

March 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by doug waud

Hi all "Stephen C. Daukas" wrote: > > Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a > co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine > way to spend all that WLUG surplus money. > I thought "What a dumb idea!". The money is not the issue. Think of all the work involved --- interfacing with the phone company, regulatory agencies etc. etc. And then I realized you were volunteering and I felt warm all over! :-) doug

March 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 09:02:38PM -0500, doug waud wrote: douglas.waud> I thought "What a dumb idea!". The money is not the issue. Think of all douglas.waud> the work involved --- interfacing with the phone company, regulatory douglas.waud> agencies etc. etc. Everyone buy a DSL modem, and we'll all get alarm circuits from the phone company :) (sometimes called banana lines--basically a dry copper pair from one location to another). Who needs regulations anyway? Let's not forget about 802.11b, either. I've been saving up my Pringles cans :) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

March 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] VMS & CLD's -- a blast from the past

by Scott Venier

http://www.accelr8.com/dcl.html A free and commercial DCL interpreter for linux. I'm nto a big VMS fan, so I don't know who close DCL is to CLD, but it's still more VMS like then bash. Scott On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Many moons ago, I spent my callow youth as a VMS geek and was fairly > capable for a mechanical engineer. I got around the Command Language > Definition (CLD) compiler (I can't remember the name of the compiler) and > learned to appreciate it's flexibility and power. > > UNIX/linux, etc. has nothing (that I've seen) that even comes close. > > The reason I bring this up is that a friend of mine has written a spec for > an ambitious command line interpreter that has a bit of the flavor of the > VMS CLD's. This has led me to wonder if anyone has seen a port of > anything like the VMS CLD language to UNIX/linux. I know that the syntax > would have to be different because the VMS option "/" would interfere with > the *nix directory syntax. > > Anyone have any suggestions? > > And yes, I do remember punch cards, keypunches, paper tape, disk > drives as big as washing machines, etc. > > TIA, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 20, 2002

VMS & CLD's -- a blast from the past

by Bill Mills-Curran

Many moons ago, I spent my callow youth as a VMS geek and was fairly capable for a mechanical engineer. I got around the Command Language Definition (CLD) compiler (I can't remember the name of the compiler) and learned to appreciate it's flexibility and power. UNIX/linux, etc. has nothing (that I've seen) that even comes close. The reason I bring this up is that a friend of mine has written a spec for an ambitious command line interpreter that has a bit of the flavor of the VMS CLD's. This has led me to wonder if anyone has seen a port of anything like the VMS CLD language to UNIX/linux. I know that the syntax would have to be different because the VMS option "/" would interfere with the *nix directory syntax. Anyone have any suggestions? And yes, I do remember punch cards, keypunches, paper tape, disk drives as big as washing machines, etc. TIA, Bill

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Wesley Allen

Good grief, What a GREAT idea! How on earth could it be implemented? Wes On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:55:04 -0500 "Stephen C. Daukas" <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: >At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote: >>On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote: >> >>> Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would >>>*HAVE* to >>> enhance your service experience! > >[...snip...} > >>Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual >>network for Charter? >>Or something else might envolved? > >Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC >business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in >central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend >all that WLUG surplus money. > >;-) > >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Chuck Haines

Actually, even if you were joking about this, I think this would be a WONDERFUL idea. I know that when I move off campus I would like to find a good ISP and especially one that supports linux. On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 12:55, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote: > >On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote: > > > > > Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to > > > enhance your service experience! > > [...snip...} > > >Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? > >Or something else might envolved? > > Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a > co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine > way to spend all that WLUG surplus money. > > ;-) > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- --------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPI Class of 2005 | MSN: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | ---------------------------------------------

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Brian J. Conway

> Actually, even if you were joking about this, I think this would be a > WONDERFUL idea. I know that when I move off campus I would like to find > a good ISP and especially one that supports linux. Which brings us back once again to everyone's favorite SpeakEasy. Game over. -b

March 20, 2002

Looking for Linux Sublaptop

by desdinova＠soupforare.net

Hi all! I know this is probably an odd question to ask the list, but I was wondering if anyone has a (relatively) small laptop they'd like to sell? I'm primarily interested in the Libretto 'CT's, Mitsu Amitys, and Sony Picturebooks. I'd *love* to find a Thinkpad 235, but considering they were never sold here (well, sold here, repackaged, as the Ricoh Magio), I'm not keeping my hopes up. Any help is appreciated, Thanks, James KB1FJQ AIM: Sailor225 | yahoo: bond225

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Stephen C. Daukas

At 12:24 PM 3/20/2002, John wrote: >On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, Doug wrote: > > > Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to > > enhance your service experience! [...snip...} >Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? >Or something else might envolved? Clearly, it is time for WLUG to get into the CLEC business and establish a co-op DSL for all its members in central Mass! I think it would be a fine way to spend all that WLUG surplus money. ;-) Steve

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by John Murphy

On Wednesday 20 March 2002 09:58, you wrote: > Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to > enhance your service experience! > > Incidentally, I also found > "Click to find out more about Paul Allen's Wired World (TM) > just above that "Rules and Policies" link > so Charter and Micro$oft seem to be in bed together :-) > Life is full of surprises! > > doug I had known Paul Allen was a partner in Charter Cable. Was surprised when I read back over a year ago that earthlink had formed a partnership with Charter Communications. Actually I was orginally on Earthlink before I switched to Charter Cable. After I had Charter installed I called Earthlink to cancel my account, they said there was no need to. They said I could be connected to Charter Cable but still maintain my billing with Earthlink. At that time Charter in Worcester had just come online a few days. They did not have my area of Worcester on Earthlink's list yet. Rather then getting caught up between the two I just cancelled Earthlink. Now I don't know if Earthlkink supplies the actual network for Charter? Or something else might envolved? John -- "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by doug waud

Hi John Stoffel wrote: > So how do we check easily? I went to Charter's web site http://www.chartercom.com/ourstory/ourstory.asp and found a "Rules and Policies" link which took me to http://www.chartercom.com/site/rules.asp where they try to spell everything out. I could not see where passing your info onto Microslop clearly fitted in :-) I did find "Charter requests certain personal information at the time you subscribe to Charter Pipeline. Charter requests your name, address, telephone number and e-mail address. The personal information is used to manage your account for billing purposes. It is not shared with a third party, except in very limited circumstances such as is required by law or in order to enhance your service experience." Obviously :-) , sharing the info with Redmond would *HAVE* to enhance your service experience! Incidentally, I also found "Click to find out more about Paul Allen's Wired World (TM) just above that "Rules and Policies" link so Charter and Micro$oft seem to be in bed together :-) Life is full of surprises! doug

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Keith Wright

Please don't send HTML to the wlug list, especially not fugly HTML. > From: "Thomas Carey" <tcarey70(a)hotmail.com> > > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> > <P>Nice Soprano's/Godfather reference!<BR><BR></P></DIV> > <DIV></DIV> > <DIV></DIV>>From: Wesley Allen <WALLEN(a)CHARTER.NET> > <DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org ... > <DIV></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: <a href='http://g.msn.com/1HM305401/15'>Click Here</a><br></html> Can't make me! -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Charles R. Anderson

Please use plain text, not HTML. Thank you.

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Thomas Carey

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Outbound email broken -- SOLVED

by Skip Gaede

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 06:40 pm, you wrote: > On Tuesday 19 March 2002 06:12 pm, you wrote: > > At 03/19/2002 04:59 PM (Tuesday), sgaede(a)attbi.com wrote: > > >Folks, > > > > > >I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, > > >my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email > > >from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, > > >but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a > > >black hole. Would you believe I mistyped my email address in setup? I had sgaede(a)attbi.comt The extra "t" was the culprit... Sigh...

March 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Outbound email broken

by Skip Gaede

On Tuesday 19 March 2002 06:12 pm, you wrote: > At 03/19/2002 04:59 PM (Tuesday), sgaede(a)attbi.com wrote: > >Folks, > > > >I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, > >my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email > >from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, > >but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a > >black hole. > > Do the mailing lists have your new email address or are you still > subscribed via mediaone.net? Many will not accept mail from unsubscribed > addresses. > They have my new address! (Sorry, should have said that...)

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Outbound email broken

by Doug Chamberlin

At 03/19/2002 04:59 PM (Tuesday), sgaede(a)attbi.com wrote: >Folks, > >I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, >my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email >from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, >but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a >black hole. Do the mailing lists have your new email address or are you still subscribed via mediaone.net? Many will not accept mail from unsubscribed addresses.

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Outbound email broken

by Chuck Homic

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:59:40PM +0000, sgaede(a)attbi.com wrote: > I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, > my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email > from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, > but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a > black hole. Is your SMTP server an AT&T one, or are you trying to use SMTP service from another site? Most sane sysadmins will not allow their SMTP server to relay mail off-site (because spammers abuse this lack of security), but will accept mail for local users. For this reason, you have to use your ISP's SMTP server. (Or an open relay, I suppose.) I use this configuration when I access work email from my RoadRunner connection. I am able to get mail from my work POP/IMAP server, but to send, I have to use my local RoadRunner SMTP server. (Which is often broken, BTW!) > Can anyone suggest anything I can do to make sure the > mail makes it to the other end? Is getting a confirmation > receipt the only choice? Well, this rarely works, so it's always a bad choice, I think. ;) The best way is to make sure your SMTP is properly configured, and that delivery errors can be locally delivered back to you. (If that made no sense, hopefully someone else can explain it better? ;) ) -Chuck

March 19, 2002

Outbound email broken

by sgaede＠attbi.com

Folks, I have an account on AT&T Broadband, and for some reason, my outbound email seems to be broken. I can send email from KDEMail to myself and I get the mail back promptly, but any email sent to a mailing list seems to go into a black hole. I'm sending this from the web-based client at ATTBI.com, so I'm pretty sure this one's going to make it. Can anyone suggest anything I can do to make sure the mail makes it to the other end? Is getting a confirmation receipt the only choice? Thanks, Skip P.S. Additional info: I'm running Mandrake 8.1, with InteractiveBastille for setting up the firewall. I have a private LAN behind the firewall, so it's probably because I didn't answer one of the questions correctly while setting up the firewall. Do I need to enable inbound SMTP connections? I don't think so. (I have a registered IP name, but not a static IP address.)

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by Wesley Allen

It was all done via e-mail; so call up or access your e-mail account that you have with them... Someone wrote that the real reason that I am upset is that my "account" is now being used to inflate .net's user stats. That hit the nail on the head; what right do they have to use my account to puff up their numbers. I don't use their cruddy services! Wes John Stoffel wrote: >I haven't seen anything from Charter on this via snail mail myself, >and I don't even use their email servers either, so maybe I'm signed >up and not realizing it. > >So how do we check easily? > >John >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro

by Chuck Haines

Did you say this because you are a redhat fan or because you were looking for a distro that did this? On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 10:55, Keller, Tim wrote: > I think it would be cool if redhat during the install had an option for > "optimized for your architecture". In choosing this option, It would run > either run a test suite and find the best settings for your machine, or it > would have a bunch of custom configs to choose from like > "586/586MMX/Athlon/686/etc". It would then spend about a day hand compiling > every package for your box and then installing it. > > Yeah it would be hilariously slow, but you'd end up with a really optimized > box. The only danger I could see would be if you find that certain > optimizations corrupted things (like gcc/glibc) etc. > > On a side note, you could have an optimize script that ran post install that > you'd just say something like "optimize --all --no=kernel --mode=586MMX > ftp://jungle.unc.edu/blah/blah/redhat" or /mnt/cdrom and it would go off, > grab the SRPMS and systematically make your machine fully 586MMX optimized, > skipping the kernel. Though I'm thinking you'd probably want some order to > the way it did it. I would think that you'd want to upgrade gcc and glibc > first, since they'll speed things up. > > Just ideas... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 18:54 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RE: [WPILA-Discuss] Gentoo Linux Distro > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 05:35:26PM -0500, Josh Huber wrote: > > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > > > Someone please tell me if I'm wrong, because that seems like a > > > pretty hackish way to do things. > > > > Yeah, you're wrong. Please read what I posted, especially: > > > > "By default, after installing this package, the compilers will behave > > normally. However, if the environment variable DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=pentium > > is set, they will enter pentium optimized compile mode." > > Okay, that's not nearly so bad. I still prefer the rpm way, but that's > a reasonable solution as well =) > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 > Full-time WPI Network Tech, Part time Linux/Perl guy | > When I have a kid, I want to buy one of those strollers for twins. > Then put the kid in and run around, looking frantic. -- Stephen Wright > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- --------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Webmaster | ICQ: 3707881 | | WPI Class of 2005 | MSN: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | ---------------------------------------------

March 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Charter and MSN....

by John Stoffel

I haven't seen anything from Charter on this via snail mail myself, and I don't even use their email servers either, so maybe I'm signed up and not realizing it. So how do we check easily? John

March 19, 2002