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Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Patrick McEvilly

Brendan and I will be there, we might be a little late. On 3/16/23, 4:34 PM, "John Stoffel via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: > New member, going to try and make my first appearance > tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? Welcome! We're a friendly bunch, so just come prepared to ask questions, butt in with opinions and have fun. I'll be bringing my OrangePi3 LTS board tonight, maybe a keyboard and mouse so we can see how well it works on the big screen. Assuming I have the right side connectors. Oh and Joe, if you're bringing equipment, make sure you bring all the video adapters you think you;ll need, and then some more. It's always a pain! Cheers, John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ <https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>/message/PFUJLHRZ45U7FY2YQC4UDXI7ARJB6YCX/

March 16, 2023

Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by John Stoffel

> New member, going to try and make my first appearance > tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? Welcome! We're a friendly bunch, so just come prepared to ask questions, butt in with opinions and have fun. I'll be bringing my OrangePi3 LTS board tonight, maybe a keyboard and mouse so we can see how well it works on the big screen. Assuming I have the right side connectors. Oh and Joe, if you're bringing equipment, make sure you bring all the video adapters you think you;ll need, and then some more. It's always a pain! Cheers, John

March 16, 2023

Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Joe Sherman

Hello Everyone, New member, going to try and make my first appearance tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 2:21 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7PM > Date: March 16th, 2023 > Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. > Address: 100 Institute Road, Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. > I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a > whole pile of different distros. It's become yet another tool in my pocket > when dealing with weird stuff. > > We can definitely talk about printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu > 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can > definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. > > There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS > images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. > > I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, > personal k8s clusters, etc. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner > afterwards and continue the conversation. > > Hope to see you there! > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KJ6UH… >

March 16, 2023

Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tonight! Time: 7PM Date: March 16th, 2023 Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. Address: 100 Institute Road, Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a whole pile of different distros. It's become yet another tool in my pocket when dealing with weird stuff. We can definitely talk about printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, personal k8s clusters, etc. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 16, 2023

Meeting Reminder: Next Meeting March 16th 2023 (Tomorrow) Location: WPI Student Center Rm 129

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7PM Date: March 16th, 2023 Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a whole pile of different distros. We can definitely talk printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, personal k8s clusters, etc. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 15, 2023

Re: printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:09:02PM -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. > > Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? > Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? > Who installs the OS? Through the generous support of https://mailman3.com/ and Danil Smirnov, we have free use of their Mailman 3 server. Tim and I can manage the Mailman settings via the web interface. We do not have OS or shell-level access. > > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > > you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. There is a setting that controls this. I don't know if the setting on your account was accidentally changed recently, or for the list server as a whole changed. Postorius (the web interface) is running 1.3.9b1, which appears to be a beta release, so it could be a bug or unintentional setting change. This is the setting: Receive own postings Yes No Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No. If you never created a login account on wlug.mailman3.com, you can find the instructions and links here on our website: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Mailing List and Web Forum WLUG has a combined mailing list/web forum for general discussion by WLUG members, meeting announcements, ideas for future topics, help and support, etc. Anyone is welcome to join, whether you have come to a meeting or not. Signup for a new account in order to change your settings and participate in the online Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Join the Mailing List/Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ View the archives and participate via the Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/ > So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks > took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. > (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) Stuff happens. Maybe Mailman3.com did an upgrade to the latest beta version? Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9b1 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.10 (main, Feb 9 2023, 02:08:14) [GCC 12.2.1 20220924] > I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to > you, but this is in the headers of the message I > finally got back: > > Received: from [172.22.0.5] > (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) > by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; > Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > > The day after it hit the archive. I can't find that ESMTP id 8EBB21747165, but I received a message around the same time that shows Received: headers in different timezones. There was a 10 hour and 12 minute delay inside the mailman3.com system, between these two Received: headers: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFC8174716F; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl.keithdiane.us (dsl.keithdiane.us [66.92.74.188]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AD6174714F for <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:47:34 +0000 (UTC) And a 22 second delay between Keith's machine sending the message and host.mailman3.com receiving it, alhtough this could be clock skew. Keith, is your clock correct to the second on this system? Or do you only have a MHz speed system and a slow DSL line? Received: from fcs22.keithdiane.us (fcs22.keithdiane.us [192.168.1.121]) by fcs19.keithdiane.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F2B218376; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > > > Sincerely, > > Danil Smirnov > > That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. > I don't use gmail, does wlug? No. That appears to be a separate issue that may affect Doug.

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Doug Mildram

I now believe, after reading the link Danil sent (thx!) ...that Gmail does prevent me from getting an email copy of every post I send (unless I Bcc myself). I'm not chatty on the few other forums I subscribe to, so I'd have never guessed. Just like the new car I bought: too darn smart, but I surrender! Doug On Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 2:13 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > > > I don't know why you think that. > > > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > > This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NGNTZ… >

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

>> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So Keith, > Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the > list on printer suggestions. :-) > > John Sorry, I got busy with stayin' alive. > I really like Brother printers, especially the laser ones. Thanks for the good advice. > I just saw (and answered!) your previous email. > Let me know if you still have questions. Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? Who installs the OS? > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > you gets a copy/email. I think. I don't know why you think that. It did not work like that in the past, and other mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > Also.... you can check the "archive". I never did that before. I have copies (at least I think I do) of all old mails on my own computers. But I did it yesterday and... The wlug.mailman3.com archive shows my post as Keith Wright 10 Mar 3:54 a.m. My own mail server log says: Mar 9 22:55:33 fcs19 postfix/smtp[19217]: A95CA218375: to=<wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, relay=wlug.mailman3.com[144.76.103.132], delay=37, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as C75301747122) So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to you, but this is in the headers of the message I finally got back: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) The day after it hit the archive. > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:26:35 +0200 > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Subject: [WLUG] Re: (list behavior) > From: Danil Smirnov via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > Sincerely, > Danil Smirnov That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. I don't use gmail, does wlug? > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:26:23 -0500 > Subject: Printer/laser > > Toner cartridge is cheap enough. > What model hp has discontinued them? > With all the 3rd party toner providers, > I'd be shocked to learn you're right. It's a LaserJet 5MP. Feel free to tell me where I can get a new toner cartridge. I recently bought one from a re-seller, but it turned out to be about a decade past its expiration date and worse than the old one I had. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

So Keith, Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the list on printer suggestions. :-) John

March 13, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Doug, See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 Sincerely, Danil Smirnov On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 9:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Our list server has that quirk, such that > when you post a new item OR reply, > everyone on the list except you > gets a copy/email. I think. > > Probably? the code/coder decided > that you'll know what you sent, and > that you have faith in the list server. > Also.... you can check the "archive". > > Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! > You did say: usually you get your own > copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. > > I wouldn't know if tweaking the config > to be more giving is an option. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QFH7L… >

March 11, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Doug Mildram

Our list server has that quirk, such that when you post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except you gets a copy/email. I think. Probably? the code/coder decided that you'll know what you sent, and that you have faith in the list server. Also.... you can check the "archive". Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! You did say: usually you get your own copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. I wouldn't know if tweaking the config to be more giving is an option.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >>> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >>> just had a meeting. >>> >>> Any objections? >> >> Not here. All days are much the same to me. > This is a test. I answered this question yesterday and > asked one of my own. It was sent to the list, but did > not come back to me as it usually does. > Maybe Microsoft or Amazon didn't like the link I included. > Does it work this time? I just saw (and answered!) your previous email. Let me know if you still have questions.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >> just had a meeting. >> >> Any objections? > Not here. All days are much the same to me. > But you remind me that I have been meaning to > ask a question of the WLUG: Does anybody have > thoughts on Linux-compatible printers? I really like Brother printers, especially the laser ones. My last one lasted 14+ years before I replaced it with another Brother printer. I now have an MFC-L2750DW (duplexing, scanning (though NOT duplex scanning with the ADF (Automatic Document Feeder) using gscan2pdf, you have to flip them by hand) and it's working out well. Ethernet, wifi, latest PostSCript 4 drivers from Brother, etc. Works well. > Here is a block diagram of my network > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram > Here is a sample of the kind of things I print > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/texscm.html All should work just find with this sucker.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by Keith Wright

Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >> just had a meeting. >> >> Any objections? > > Not here. All days are much the same to me. This is a test. I answered this question yesterday and asked one of my own. It was sent to the list, but did not come back to me as it usually does. Maybe Microsoft or Amazon didn't like the link I included. Does it work this time? -- Keith

March 10, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we > just had a meeting. > > Any objections? Not here. All days are much the same to me. But you remind me that I have been meaning to ask a question of the WLUG: Does anybody have thoughts on Linux-compatible printers? I have an HP Laserjet attached via parallel port to an old Linux machine running a CUPS server. (Common Unix Print system) It works, but they no longer make the print cartridges and the old ones are dryed out and printing grey ghosts all over that make it ugly and nearly unreadable. I print about a dozen pages/month of black and white Postscript or PDF documents, so I don't need speed. Color is just troublesome. I would like to continue to use CUPS through an ethernet cable with RJ-45 plugs. Here is a block diagram of my network http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram Here is a sample of the kind of things I print http://www.free-comp-shop.com/texscm.html -- Keith

March 10, 2023

Next Meeting

by Tim Keller

I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we just had a meeting. Any objections? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 7, 2023

Re: Re-Roll RHEL isos to skip the 60sec countdown and media check

by John Stoffel

And thanks for sharing the solution as well! I'll keep it around just in case... Also, were you using the full install media, or the smallest bootable media whch then requires the network to install packages? > That's cool, I'm glad you got it working. > Tim. > On Sat, Mar 4, 2023, 10:01 PM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Good evening, > I don't know if anyone saw this, but I found my answer at: > https://docs.centos.org/en-US/8-docs/advanced-install/assembly_kickstart-an… > In the note saying: > By default, the inst.stage2= boot option is used on the installation media and is set to a > specific label, for example, inst.stage2=hd:LABEL=CentOS-8-BaseOS-x86_64. If you modify the > default label of the file system containing the runtime image, or if you use a customized > procedure to boot the installation system, you must verify that the inst.stage2= boot option > is set to the correct value. > So it was a label problem. I was calling mkisofs with the -V switch and an argument that did > not match the label in isolinux.cfg for inst.stage2. This caused the boot stall. > If anyone saw this, thanks for your consideration. > Best Regards, > Dan > On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 2:18 PM Dan Davis <davis.dan.c(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon, > I'm trying to re-roll a RHEL9 iso to remove the media check and 60s timeout that occurs > because rd.live.check is baked into the kernel command line and grub menu. I'd like to use > the result with an unattended install. > I start by loop mounting the OEM iso image and extracting the contents to a working dir. > In the working directory, I've attempted to edit EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg an isolinux/grub.cfg > before rerolling the disk with: > mkisofs -o output.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot > -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table workingdir > But after editing either or both, I'm still presented with the 60s default timeout and the > media check (rd.live.check) in the kernel commandline. > Is there something akin to grub2-mkisofs that I need to do for my changes to the grub.cfg > for this iso prior to my re-rolling it? > Thank you, > Dan > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PP4MH… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4ZUZQ…

March 6, 2023

Re: Re-Roll RHEL isos to skip the 60sec countdown and media check

by Tim Keller

Dan, That's cool, I'm glad you got it working. Tim. On Sat, Mar 4, 2023, 10:01 PM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Good evening, > > I don't know if anyone saw this, but I found my answer at: > > > https://docs.centos.org/en-US/8-docs/advanced-install/assembly_kickstart-an… > > In the note saying: > > By default, the inst.stage2= boot option is used on the installation > media and is set to a specific label, for example, > inst.stage2=hd:LABEL=CentOS-8-BaseOS-x86_64. If you modify the default > label of the file system containing the runtime image, or if you use a > customized procedure to boot the installation system, you must verify that > the inst.stage2= boot option is set to the correct value. > > So it was a label problem. I was calling mkisofs with the -V switch and an > argument that did not match the label in isolinux.cfg for inst.stage2. This > caused the boot stall. > > If anyone saw this, thanks for your consideration. > > Best Regards, > Dan > > On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 2:18 PM Dan Davis <davis.dan.c(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Good Afternoon, >> >> I'm trying to re-roll a RHEL9 iso to remove the media check and 60s >> timeout that occurs because rd.live.check is baked into the kernel command >> line and grub menu. I'd like to use the result with an unattended install. >> >> I start by loop mounting the OEM iso image and extracting the contents to >> a working dir. In the working directory, I've attempted to edit >> EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg an isolinux/grub.cfg before rerolling the disk with: >> >> mkisofs -o output.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat >> -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table workingdir >> >> But after editing either or both, I'm still presented with the 60s >> default timeout and the media check (rd.live.check) in the kernel >> commandline. >> >> Is there something akin to grub2-mkisofs that I need to do for my changes >> to the grub.cfg for this iso prior to my re-rolling it? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PP4MH… >

March 5, 2023

Re: Re-Roll RHEL isos to skip the 60sec countdown and media check

by Dan Davis

Good evening, I don't know if anyone saw this, but I found my answer at: https://docs.centos.org/en-US/8-docs/advanced-install/assembly_kickstart-an… In the note saying: By default, the inst.stage2= boot option is used on the installation media and is set to a specific label, for example, inst.stage2=hd:LABEL=CentOS-8-BaseOS-x86_64. If you modify the default label of the file system containing the runtime image, or if you use a customized procedure to boot the installation system, you must verify that the inst.stage2= boot option is set to the correct value. So it was a label problem. I was calling mkisofs with the -V switch and an argument that did not match the label in isolinux.cfg for inst.stage2. This caused the boot stall. If anyone saw this, thanks for your consideration. Best Regards, Dan On Sat, Mar 4, 2023 at 2:18 PM Dan Davis <davis.dan.c(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon, > > I'm trying to re-roll a RHEL9 iso to remove the media check and 60s > timeout that occurs because rd.live.check is baked into the kernel command > line and grub menu. I'd like to use the result with an unattended install. > > I start by loop mounting the OEM iso image and extracting the contents to > a working dir. In the working directory, I've attempted to edit > EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg an isolinux/grub.cfg before rerolling the disk with: > > mkisofs -o output.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat > -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table workingdir > > But after editing either or both, I'm still presented with the 60s default > timeout and the media check (rd.live.check) in the kernel commandline. > > Is there something akin to grub2-mkisofs that I need to do for my changes > to the grub.cfg for this iso prior to my re-rolling it? > > Thank you, > > Dan >

March 5, 2023

Re-Roll RHEL isos to skip the 60sec countdown and media check

by Dan Davis

Good Afternoon, I'm trying to re-roll a RHEL9 iso to remove the media check and 60s timeout that occurs because rd.live.check is baked into the kernel command line and grub menu. I'd like to use the result with an unattended install. I start by loop mounting the OEM iso image and extracting the contents to a working dir. In the working directory, I've attempted to edit EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg an isolinux/grub.cfg before rerolling the disk with: mkisofs -o output.iso -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table workingdir But after editing either or both, I'm still presented with the 60s default timeout and the media check (rd.live.check) in the kernel commandline. Is there something akin to grub2-mkisofs that I need to do for my changes to the grub.cfg for this iso prior to my re-rolling it? Thank you, Dan

March 4, 2023

Re: Broken Laptop Screen

by David Glaser

I use a monitor with my laptop all of the time. I don't think your friend will have a problem as long as there is a vga or hdmi port on the laptop. Windows (and Linux for that matter) should automatically configure the monitor to a usable state. From there you provide your own tweaks using the "Display Settings" David On 2/28/2023 8:11 PM, hammerron via WLUG wrote: > I have a friend that told me he has kept his laptop stored away > because the screen is broken. I do not know if the screen is crack or > not operating. > > I have a monitor from a desktop pc. > > If I give him the monitor to use with his laptop is there any kind of > electrical safety issue? > I presume the laptop is windows, and hints on how or if I should tweak > the settings? > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N24PD… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

March 1, 2023

Broken Laptop Screen

by hammerron

I have a friend that told me he has kept his laptop stored away because the screen is broken. I do not know if the screen is crack or not operating. I have a monitor from a desktop pc. If I give him the monitor to use with his laptop is there any kind of electrical safety issue? I presume the laptop is windows, and hints on how or if I should tweak the settings? Ron

March 1, 2023

Reminder WLUG meeting tonight

by Tim Keller

https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 24, 2023

Re: Andy in Hackaday

by Tim Keller

Reminder, the wlug meeting tonight. On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 8:47 AM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > > It looks like our founder made Hackaday this morning! > > https://hackaday.com/2023/02/23/a-linux-distro-for-all-your-ham-needs/ > > Congrats Andy! Maybe we could get you to come to a meeting and show > off all you've done? > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/47BA3… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 24, 2023

Andy in Hackaday

by John Stoffel

Guys, It looks like our founder made Hackaday this morning! https://hackaday.com/2023/02/23/a-linux-distro-for-all-your-ham-needs/ Congrats Andy! Maybe we could get you to come to a meeting and show off all you've done? John

Feb. 23, 2023

Tomorrow's meeting is going to be Virtual

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Last week it was the career fair, this week the trustees have reserved everything.. However, the weather looks like it's going to be a mess. Our meeting for Feb. is going to be virtual. I'd rather keep everybody safe they try to find someplace we can all fit. We'll be at our usual virtual haunt: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA starting at 7PM. The plan is to talk about containerized distributions, though knowing how our virtual meetings go it'll be a hilarious raucous affair. I hope to see you all online and in March we'll *actually* have a physical meeting! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 22, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by Tim Keller

Please note that we've pushed the meeting off to the 23rd because this week WPI is running a career fair and there are no rooms to be booked. Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:53 PM kstratton--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Could you forward an address and parking and other instructions. I am > trying to decide if I can do the long drive from Hartford County. > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 1:33 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been > suppressed. > > > > Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. > > > > > http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… > > > > I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. > > I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis > > which are so damn expensive these days. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WNQUQ… > > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XVSA6… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 15, 2023

Re: Postponing meeting to the 23rd due to career week.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Speaking with Frank, this week is career week at WPI and a mob > scene. There are zero rooms to reserve. Ok, so let's push it out. > I think it makes the most sense to push the meeting off to the 23rd so we can get a room with > proper A/V, etc. > As for a topic, a couple people have asked me about container based distros. I think this would be > a great topic. > I've recently gotten heavy involved in k8s deployment stuff and I've had to wrap my brain around > this stuff. > Fedora, Container OS, Rancher OS, Blend OS, the list goes on. > I think there's an interesting conversation around how user friendly, secure, etc. this various > options are. > Is this something people would be interested in? > Later, > Tim. > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023, 4:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That makes sense with a meeting last week. . > See everyone on the 16th. . > Joel > On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. > Thanks, > Tim. > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi, > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > Thank you, > Joel > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building > containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as > bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. > This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model > for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: > 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a > CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. > 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container > builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates > are delivered with an "immutable" model > 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key > has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support > 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., > give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as > well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression > 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or > build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of > the Containerfile format > 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being > able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report > It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own > an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought > would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to > out-of-three driver support. > More info here: > Nvidia images available for testing! > We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers > wanted! > Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck > way less. > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/25VH6…

Feb. 15, 2023

Postponing meeting to the 23rd due to career week.

by Tim Keller

Speaking with Frank, this week is career week at WPI and a mob scene. There are zero rooms to reserve. I think it makes the most sense to push the meeting off to the 23rd so we can get a room with proper A/V, etc. As for a topic, a couple people have asked me about container based distros. I think this would be a great topic. I've recently gotten heavy involved in k8s deployment stuff and I've had to wrap my brain around this stuff. Fedora, Container OS, Rancher OS, Blend OS, the list goes on. I think there's an interesting conversation around how user friendly, secure, etc. this various options are. Is this something people would be interested in? Later, Tim. On Thu, Feb 9, 2023, 4:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > That makes sense with a meeting last week. . > > See everyone on the 16th. . > > Joel > > On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves >>>> building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components >>>> that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" >>>> <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable> >>>> support within Fedora Silverblue. >>>> >>>> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package >>>> management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >>>> >>>> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server >>>> side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >>>> >>>> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only >>>> container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container >>>> registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >>>> >>>> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that >>>> only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure >>>> boot support >>>> >>>> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release >>>> streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx >>>> series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of >>>> a driver regression >>>> >>>> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a >>>> central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks >>>> to the flexibility of the Containerfile format >>>> >>>> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, >>>> namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >>>> >>>> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ>. I refuse to own an >>>> Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I >>>> thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native >>>> approach to out-of-three driver support. >>>> >>>> More info here: >>>> >>>> Nvidia images available for testing! >>>> <https://github.com/ublue-os/base/discussions/33> >>>> >>>> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: >>>> Testers wanted! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9EJCF_GM4> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >>>> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your >>>> life suck way less. >>>> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >>>> >>>> - Josh >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > >

Feb. 15, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Could you forward an address and parking and other instructions. I am trying to decide if I can do the long drive from Hartford County. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 1:33 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. > > Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. > > http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… > > I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. > I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis > which are so damn expensive these days. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WNQUQ… -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by John Stoffel

> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis which are so damn expensive these days.

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by David Glaser

What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. -David On 2/14/2023 12:21 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Hi all, > Is there an agenda for this thursdays meeting? I can bring an OrganPI > 3 LTS I just recently setup. Neat little box running Armbian. > Haven't don't anything with it though. > > I know KiCad 7.0.0 has been released, but I haven't had any time to > update my old discussion on KiCad for the new version. So I really > can't talk about it too much. > > I'm planning on being there, but who knows what will happen. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R7MTW… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Feb. 14, 2023

Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Is there an agenda for this thursdays meeting? I can bring an OrganPI 3 LTS I just recently setup. Neat little box running Armbian. Haven't don't anything with it though. I know KiCad 7.0.0 has been released, but I haven't had any time to update my old discussion on KiCad for the new version. So I really can't talk about it too much. I'm planning on being there, but who knows what will happen. John

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting Tomorrow?

by Joel

That makes sense with a meeting last week. . See everyone on the 16th. . Joel On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > > > Thank you, > > > Joel > > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. >> >> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >> >> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >> >> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >> >> >> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support >> >> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression >> >> >> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of the Containerfile format >> >> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >> >> >> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to out-of-three driver support. >> >> >> More info here: >> >> Nvidia images available for testing! >> >> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers wanted! >> >> >> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck way less. >> >> - Josh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023

Re: Meeting Tomorrow?

by Tim Keller

We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > > Thank you, > > Joel > > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves >> building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components >> that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" >> <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable> >> support within Fedora Silverblue. >> >> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package >> management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >> >> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, >> making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >> >> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only >> container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container >> registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >> >> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that >> only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure >> boot support >> >> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. >> i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series >> drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a >> driver regression >> >> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central >> repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the >> flexibility of the Containerfile format >> >> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely >> being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >> >> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ>. I refuse to own an Nvidia >> card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought >> would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to >> out-of-three driver support. >> >> More info here: >> >> Nvidia images available for testing! >> <https://github.com/ublue-os/base/discussions/33> >> >> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: >> Testers wanted! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9EJCF_GM4> >> >> >> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your >> life suck way less. >> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >> >> - Josh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… >> >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023

Next wlug meeting on the 16th of Feb.. not tonight.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Considering that we just had a WLUG meeting the last Thursday of January, the next meeting will be on the 16th and then we'll go back to the regular second Thursday of the month for March. Sorry for the confusion about when meetings are. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023

Meeting Tomorrow?

by Joel

Hi, Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? Thank you, Joel On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. > > This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: > > 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. > > 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model > > 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support > > 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression > > 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of the Containerfile format > > 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report > > It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to out-of-three driver support. > > More info here: > > Nvidia images available for testing! > > We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers wanted! > > > Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck way less. > > - Josh > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP…

Feb. 9, 2023

Solving Nvidia support with image-based distros

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable> support within Fedora Silverblue. This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of the Containerfile format 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ>. I refuse to own an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to out-of-three driver support. More info here: Nvidia images available for testing! <https://github.com/ublue-os/base/discussions/33> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers wanted! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9EJCF_GM4> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck way less. <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> - Josh

Feb. 6, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Organization of the 19,000 slides might not be as bad as you think. Each box of 24-36 slides is marked with a date of development, so each box goes into a different directory according to the date on the box. Averaging about 30 slides a box that means I would have 634 directories, Often on a trip I would take two or three rolls of film, so those two or three directories might, when sorted, clump together to be labeled as some trip or special event. And, as John said, Photoprism can do an amazing job of identifying things, and I am planning on installing these and my other (tens of thousands of) digital pictures on a 6 TB Raid system with a Raspberry Pi controlling it, so it can take as long as it wants to identify and categorize the slides. The slides I already have digitized are either from Kodak PhotoCDs or various digital cameras that I have had over the years, and already are in the directories by date....so I am pretty much there. Of course I often wonder if anyone will care about the pictures after I die.....but perhaps some people will like to see them...and I do have to cull through the NSFW pictures.... md On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 9:51 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The problem is one of organization. Let's imagine you get these all > scanned in, now you've got +/- ~19,000 pictures to sort. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:44 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> >>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> >> > I will see you all of those pieces of media and raise you about >> > 19,000 35mm slides to scan in. >> >> LOL! I've got some slides too... but not nearly that many. >> >> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 5:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >> >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> writes: >> >> >> In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, >> Connecticut. At that time >> > Aetna >> >> was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest >> commercial user of IBM >> > equipment >> >> in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers >> you can be the best of >> >> anything). >> >> >> In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with >> another 100,000 in a salt >> > mine >> >> for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was >> 9999 years. >> >> >> Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. >> >> >> I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me >> there was a seven-track >> > tape >> >> drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. >> >> >> "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape >> drive, and the OS >> > that can >> >> drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that >> operating system?" >> >> >> My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". >> >> > I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron >> > Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might >> > need to be restored. >> >> > And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ >> > yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the >> tape >> > library to read them. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TBLMD… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5FC3P… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Jan. 31, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > The problem is one of organization. Let's imagine you get these all > scanned in, now you've got +/- ~19,000 pictures to sort. Same with the tapes... just cause I know which tape has which files tells me nothing about how useful that file will be... it's always a pain to archive an old ASIC chip design because you need: 1. design files 2. the specific tool versions 3. OS and hardware for the tools 4. licenses for the tools! - good luck when alot of the vendors are bought out or shutdown 5. someone who knows how to run steps 1-4. 6. the same process at the FAB running to make the chips... So archiving a design is not simple or cheap. You really don't want the intermediate files honestly, just the initial VHDL and rough layout tools are probably enough for anything older than 5 years since you'll have to re-spin the workflow anyway, unless you're lucky enough to still have it hanging around. Once you hit ten yeats... all bets are off. Now with scanning in those slides, I'd just toss them into 'photoprism' and let it classify them for me. Will it be perfect? No, but it did a decent job on my 70,000+ images I tossed at it. Took a few days since I don't have NVidia CPUs to run the classifier on for a speed up. But it did a neat job. And it even find obects as well. Very cool stuff.

Jan. 30, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Tim Keller

The problem is one of organization. Let's imagine you get these all scanned in, now you've got +/- ~19,000 pictures to sort. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:44 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > I will see you all of those pieces of media and raise you about > > 19,000 35mm slides to scan in. > > LOL! I've got some slides too... but not nearly that many. > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 5:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > >> In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, > Connecticut. At that time > > Aetna > >> was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest > commercial user of IBM > > equipment > >> in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you > can be the best of > >> anything). > > >> In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with > another 100,000 in a salt > > mine > >> for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was > 9999 years. > > >> Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. > > >> I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me > there was a seven-track > > tape > >> drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. > > >> "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape > drive, and the OS > > that can > >> drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that > operating system?" > > >> My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". > > > I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron > > Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might > > need to be restored. > > > And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ > > yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the tape > > library to read them. > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TBLMD… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5FC3P… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 30, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I will see you all of those pieces of media and raise you about > 19,000 35mm slides to scan in. LOL! I've got some slides too... but not nearly that many. > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 5:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, Connecticut. At that time > Aetna >> was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest commercial user of IBM > equipment >> in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you can be the best of >> anything). >> In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with another 100,000 in a salt > mine >> for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was 9999 years. >> Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. >> I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me there was a seven-track > tape >> drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. >> "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape drive, and the OS > that can >> drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that operating system?" >> My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". > I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron > Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might > need to be restored. > And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ > yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the tape > library to read them. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TBLMD…

Jan. 28, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Jon "maddog" Hall

John, I will see you all of those pieces of media and raise you about 19,000 35mm slides to scan in. md On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 5:47 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, > Connecticut. At that time Aetna > > was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest > commercial user of IBM equipment > > in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you > can be the best of > > anything). > > > In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with > another 100,000 in a salt mine > > for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was 9999 > years. > > > Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. > > > I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me > there was a seven-track tape > > drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. > > > "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape > drive, and the OS that can > > drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that > operating system?" > > > My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". > > I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron > Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might > need to be restored. > > And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ > yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the tape > library to read them. > >

Jan. 28, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Joshua Stone

If anyone is looking for an external optical drive that can handle blu-ray and M-DISC, then this is the model I endorse: https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives/BDR-XD08UM… I've been able to read all kinds of blu-rays with it, including UHD. It also uses USB-C which saves so much trouble finding the right cable. And no drivers necessary for running on Linux! Optical media is increasingly uncommon these days, so I can understand why almost no new computers come with them, however external optical drives still have their uses. I've definitely gotten a lot of use with mine with all of the movies I check out from the library! - Josh On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, > Connecticut. At that time Aetna > > was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest > commercial user of IBM equipment > > in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you > can be the best of > > anything). > > > In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with > another 100,000 in a salt mine > > for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was 9999 > years. > > > Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. > > > I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me > there was a seven-track tape > > drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. > > > "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape > drive, and the OS that can > > drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that > operating system?" > > > My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". > > I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron > Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might > need to be restored. > > And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ > yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the tape > library to read them. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZHWUH… >

Jan. 28, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jon" == Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, Connecticut. At that time Aetna > was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest commercial user of IBM equipment > in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you can be the best of > anything). > In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with another 100,000 in a salt mine > for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was 9999 years. > Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. > I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me there was a seven-track tape > drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. > "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape drive, and the OS that can > drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that operating system?" > My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". I'm in the same boat with 43,000+ pieces of media offsite at Iron Mountain in a mix of DAT, DLT 7k, SDLT320 and LTO6 media that might need to be restored. And let's ignore the 8mm tapes that sat in a couple of boxes for 15+ yeats without anyone touching them ... even after I scrapped the tape library to read them.

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Jon "maddog" Hall

In 1975 I was working for Aetna Life and Casualty in Hartford, Connecticut. At that time Aetna was the largest multiline Insurance company and also the largest commercial user of IBM equipment in the "Free World" (which goes to show that with enough qualifiers you can be the best of anything). In any case we had 500,000 12" magnetic tape drives on site, with another 100,000 in a salt mine for "long term storage". For those tapes the "retention time" was 9999 years. Some of the older tapes were marked as seven-track, 128 bits-per-inch. I asked my boss about trying to read those tapes, and he assured me there was a seven-track tape drive stored along with the tapes, wrapped in bubble wrap. "Yes", I said, "but where is the computer that can attach to that tape drive, and the OS that can drive the tape controller, and the operator that can boot and run that operating system?" My boss put his finger to his lips and said 'Shhhhhhhhh". md On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 1:39 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ignoring the 1000-year hype, I think it all depends on how much the > archivist community adopts the technology. If archivists decide that > M-DISC is a good solution, then the technology to read them will be > kept alive for that purpose at least long enough to copy the data to a > future format for the next span of time. If that is 30 or 50 or 100 > years, you are already doing much better than other types of digital > media at this storage density. > > Luckily M-DISC is just standard Blu-Ray at the physical layer. All > Blu-Ray drives can read M-DISC media, and all Blu-Ray writable drives > can write to M-DISC media. The same is not true of writing to M-DISC > DVDs--apparently some DVD-R drives do not have a strong enough laser > to write to M-DISC DVD. > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 01:13:04PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > > Let's be honest - if you gave someone a BlueRay disk *today*, there's a > > pretty good chance they'd have to go hunting around to find some hardware > > to read it. 1,000 years from now, you'd have to: > > > > > > - Set up the appropriate laser hardware to scan the physical medium at > > the appropriate resolution, frequency, etc, while not going so high > power > > that you damage the disc. > > - Translate the physical pits on the disc to a bitstream. > > - Translate the bitstream as a filesystem data. > > - Translate the contents of the files (anyone still have a copy of > Word > > 95?) > > > > This technology is probably fantastic on a scale of a few decades, so > long > > as you're careful about which file formats you pick, but if you're > serious > > about centuries or more you'd probably have to stick to something that > > requires no technology to read, like engravings on glass or non-corrosive > > metals. > > > > (For extra fun, just imagine the fun in a few centuries when amateur > > archeologists try to figure out these funny markings that turn out to be > QR > > codes > > > https://monuments.com/store/headstones-accessories/living-headstones-qr-code > > ) > > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > Here's a question... in a 1000 years.. will you even have a drive that > > > could read such a disk? > > > You'd need to store details manuals with how to construct a drive and > the > > > format of the disks. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:55 AM John Stoffel via WLUG < > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > writes: > > >> > > >> > Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't > > >> > degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: > > >> > > >> > https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ > > >> > > >> > > > >> > https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS > > >> > > >> I see you can still buy the media and the drives to _write_ as of > > >> recently. Has anyone actually used these? > > >> > > >> I did find this interesting site: > > >> > > >> https://obsoletemedia.org > > >> > > >> And I currently have an external 2Tb USB harddrive in my safe deposit > > >> box with family photos and such. I should really buy a new one and do > > >> a swap so I have another sitting around. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FRXWY… >

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Chuck Anderson

Ignoring the 1000-year hype, I think it all depends on how much the archivist community adopts the technology. If archivists decide that M-DISC is a good solution, then the technology to read them will be kept alive for that purpose at least long enough to copy the data to a future format for the next span of time. If that is 30 or 50 or 100 years, you are already doing much better than other types of digital media at this storage density. Luckily M-DISC is just standard Blu-Ray at the physical layer. All Blu-Ray drives can read M-DISC media, and all Blu-Ray writable drives can write to M-DISC media. The same is not true of writing to M-DISC DVDs--apparently some DVD-R drives do not have a strong enough laser to write to M-DISC DVD. On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 01:13:04PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Let's be honest - if you gave someone a BlueRay disk *today*, there's a > pretty good chance they'd have to go hunting around to find some hardware > to read it. 1,000 years from now, you'd have to: > > > - Set up the appropriate laser hardware to scan the physical medium at > the appropriate resolution, frequency, etc, while not going so high power > that you damage the disc. > - Translate the physical pits on the disc to a bitstream. > - Translate the bitstream as a filesystem data. > - Translate the contents of the files (anyone still have a copy of Word > 95?) > > This technology is probably fantastic on a scale of a few decades, so long > as you're careful about which file formats you pick, but if you're serious > about centuries or more you'd probably have to stick to something that > requires no technology to read, like engravings on glass or non-corrosive > metals. > > (For extra fun, just imagine the fun in a few centuries when amateur > archeologists try to figure out these funny markings that turn out to be QR > codes > https://monuments.com/store/headstones-accessories/living-headstones-qr-code > ) > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Here's a question... in a 1000 years.. will you even have a drive that > > could read such a disk? > > You'd need to store details manuals with how to construct a drive and the > > format of the disks. > > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:55 AM John Stoffel via WLUG < > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > >> >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> > >> > Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't > >> > degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: > >> > >> > https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ > >> > >> > > >> https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS > >> > >> I see you can still buy the media and the drives to _write_ as of > >> recently. Has anyone actually used these? > >> > >> I did find this interesting site: > >> > >> https://obsoletemedia.org > >> > >> And I currently have an external 2Tb USB harddrive in my safe deposit > >> box with family photos and such. I should really buy a new one and do > >> a swap so I have another sitting around.

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Frank Sweetser

Let's be honest - if you gave someone a BlueRay disk *today*, there's a pretty good chance they'd have to go hunting around to find some hardware to read it. 1,000 years from now, you'd have to: - Set up the appropriate laser hardware to scan the physical medium at the appropriate resolution, frequency, etc, while not going so high power that you damage the disc. - Translate the physical pits on the disc to a bitstream. - Translate the bitstream as a filesystem data. - Translate the contents of the files (anyone still have a copy of Word 95?) This technology is probably fantastic on a scale of a few decades, so long as you're careful about which file formats you pick, but if you're serious about centuries or more you'd probably have to stick to something that requires no technology to read, like engravings on glass or non-corrosive metals. (For extra fun, just imagine the fun in a few centuries when amateur archeologists try to figure out these funny markings that turn out to be QR codes https://monuments.com/store/headstones-accessories/living-headstones-qr-code ) On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:01 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Here's a question... in a 1000 years.. will you even have a drive that > could read such a disk? > You'd need to store details manuals with how to construct a drive and the > format of the disks. > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:55 AM John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't >> > degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: >> >> > https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ >> >> > >> https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS >> >> I see you can still buy the media and the drives to _write_ as of >> recently. Has anyone actually used these? >> >> I did find this interesting site: >> >> https://obsoletemedia.org >> >> And I currently have an external 2Tb USB harddrive in my safe deposit >> box with family photos and such. I should really buy a new one and do >> a swap so I have another sitting around. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LGDTB… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AIZH5… > -- - Frank

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Tim Keller

Here's a question... in a 1000 years.. will you even have a drive that could read such a disk? You'd need to store details manuals with how to construct a drive and the format of the disks. On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:55 AM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't > > degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: > > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ > > > https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS > > I see you can still buy the media and the drives to _write_ as of > recently. Has anyone actually used these? > > I did find this interesting site: > > https://obsoletemedia.org > > And I currently have an external 2Tb USB harddrive in my safe deposit > box with family photos and such. I should really buy a new one and do > a swap so I have another sitting around. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LGDTB… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't > degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: > https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ > https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS I see you can still buy the media and the drives to _write_ as of recently. Has anyone actually used these? I did find this interesting site: https://obsoletemedia.org And I currently have an external 2Tb USB harddrive in my safe deposit box with family photos and such. I should really buy a new one and do a swap so I have another sitting around. John

Jan. 27, 2023

M-DISC 1000-year DVD and Blu-Ray

by Chuck Anderson

Last night we were talking about long-term storage media that won't degrade or fail. What you want is M-DISC: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-1000-year-dvd-is-here/ https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-98913-M-Disc-100GB-Surface/dp/B017H13DFS

Jan. 27, 2023

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 26th 2023: Topic Frame.work laptop demo!

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Gah, what an idiot - I found it, sorry. On 1/26/23 17:03, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: > Will there be simulcast via Jitsi tonight? I'm not up for hour+ the > train ride & walk each way, but do miss going. I'll get out there some > day! > > ~Chris > > On 1/26/23 16:57, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> Even though I won't be there tonight in person, this interesting >> article about USB-C and the framework laptop just dropped on >> hackaday.com >> >> https://hackaday.com/2023/01/26/all-about-usb-c-framework-laptop/ >> >> Cheers! >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VRYJM… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Y2WTM…

Jan. 26, 2023

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 26th 2023: Topic Frame.work laptop demo!

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Will there be simulcast via Jitsi tonight? I'm not up for hour+ the train ride & walk each way, but do miss going. I'll get out there some day! ~Chris On 1/26/23 16:57, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Even though I won't be there tonight in person, this interesting > article about USB-C and the framework laptop just dropped on > hackaday.com > > https://hackaday.com/2023/01/26/all-about-usb-c-framework-laptop/ > > Cheers! > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VRYJM…

Jan. 26, 2023

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 26th 2023: Topic Frame.work laptop demo!

by John Stoffel

Even though I won't be there tonight in person, this interesting article about USB-C and the framework laptop just dropped on hackaday.com https://hackaday.com/2023/01/26/all-about-usb-c-framework-laptop/ Cheers! John

Jan. 26, 2023

Re: Reminder! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 26th 2023: Topic Frame.work laptop demo!

by John Stoffel

Hi guys, Sorry I won't make it in person tonight, not feeling my best so I don't want to share what I've got. I'll be online hopefully. Bummed I won't be able to touch the laptop in person. Cheers, John

Jan. 26, 2023

Reminder! WLUG Meeting Tomorrow Jan 26th 2023: Topic Frame.work laptop demo!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! Time: 7pm Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the stairs. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. I'm also going to show off passbolt <https://www.passbolt.com/>. This is a FOSS password manager. With the massive breach of lastpass, people may want to think about having total ownership of their password stores. This solves that. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off and have dinner and keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 25, 2023

Reminder! Meeting January 26th at 7pm Topic: Frame.work, passbolt

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Happy 2023! We've got our first meeting of the new year!! Time: 7pm Date: 1/26/2023 Location: WPI Student Center Rm 128 (Taylor Room) Topic(s): frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. I'm also going to show off passbolt <https://www.passbolt.com/>. This is a FOSS password manager. With the massive breach of lastpass, people may want to think about having total ownership of their password stores. This solves that. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off and have dinner can keep the conversation going. I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 22, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Tim Keller

Since we are now back meeting in person, our *general* meeting place is in the WPI student center. I need to talk to Frank about scheduling a meeting place for us. I'd like to get back into the room we were in last time as the A/V setup worked really well. Thanks, Tim. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 11:32 AM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's been so long, where and when is the meeting again? I don't think I > ever attended when I joined in 2012 or so. > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 10:48 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter >> topic! >> >> Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> The other cool thing though: >>> You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on >>> making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a >>> 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack >>> them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >>>> >>>> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with >>>> support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact >>>> I had. >>>> >>>> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < >>>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>> >>>>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>>>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>>>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>>>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>>>> >>>>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>>>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>>>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>>>> > laptop that I could start using. >>>>> >>>>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>>>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>>>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>>>> >>>>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>>>> RAM or >>>>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>>>> laptop. >>>>> >>>>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>>>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>>>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>>>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>>>> > display driver that caused flickering >>>>> > ( >>>>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>>>> ) >>>>> >>>>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>>>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>>>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>>>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>>>> >>>>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>>>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6AN6H… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

It's been so long, where and when is the meeting again? I don't think I ever attended when I joined in 2012 or so. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 10:48 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter > topic! > > Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> The other cool thing though: >> You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on >> making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a >> 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack >> them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >>> >>> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with >>> support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact >>> I had. >>> >>> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG >>>> wrote: >>>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>>> >>>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>>> > laptop that I could start using. >>>> >>>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>>> >>>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>>> RAM or >>>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>>> laptop. >>>> >>>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>>> > display driver that caused flickering >>>> > ( >>>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>>> ) >>>> >>>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>>> >>>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6AN6H… >

Jan. 16, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Tim Keller

We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter topic! Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The other cool thing though: > You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making > a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe > switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them > super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >> >> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support >> about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. >> >> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>> >>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>> > laptop that I could start using. >>> >>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>> >>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>> RAM or >>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>> laptop. >>> >>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>> > display driver that caused flickering >>> > ( >>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>> ) >>> >>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>> >>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>> >> _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

The other cool thing though: You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. > > Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support > about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. > > But we have 3, they're rock solid. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >> >> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >> > laptop that I could start using. >> >> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >> >> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM >> or >> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >> laptop. >> >> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >> > display driver that caused flickering >> > ( >> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >> ) >> >> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >> >> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >> >

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. But we have 3, they're rock solid. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing > >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days > >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting > >> the last required field filled in? Or what? > > > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I > > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 > > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical > > laptop that I could start using. > > Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new > toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd > like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. > > > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM > or > > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the > laptop. > > > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only > > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware > > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to > > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad > > display driver that caused flickering > > ( > https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… > ) > > Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been > years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this > was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn > bleeding edge in terms of kernels. > > I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home > NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >> the last required field filled in? Or what? > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical > laptop that I could start using. Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop. > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad > display driver that caused flickering > (https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231…) Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn bleeding edge in terms of kernels. I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. John

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Cara Salter

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing > the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days > from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting > the last required field filled in? Or what? Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical laptop that I could start using. For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop. > > Does it run Linux? I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad display driver that caused flickering (https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231…) Hope this helps! Cara

Jan. 11, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Keith Wright

"Bacon, John via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > One of the WPI NetOps Workstudies bought one. She likes it a lot. > The ordering process took 42 days. > JOHN Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what? Does it run Linux? > -----Original Message----- > From: David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 1:11 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Framework Laptops > > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fframe.wor… Looks like Microsoft helpfully fixed your link to point to themselves. If you can't trust MS marketing who can you trust? In other news, I was off line for ten days. This may be relevant to those looking for an ISP. If you want to know more, here is more than you want to know: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html -- Keith

Jan. 11, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by Joel

I can also make the 26th. Thanks, Joel On January 5, 2023 8:10:30 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and >> the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people >> have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. > > I think the 26th would work for me. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HHW3U…

Jan. 6, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and > the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people > have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. I think the 26th would work for me.

Jan. 6, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by Tim Keller

Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. What do people think?' Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Where & when are we meeting in January? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AR6AP… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 5, 2023

January meeting date?

by John Stoffel

Where & when are we meeting in January?

Jan. 4, 2023

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 07:49:58PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> It's only email TO @charter.net which is being blocked. And I've >> looked at all the UCE blacklists and my IP isn't listed. *shrug* Not >> much else I can do. > Did you configure SPF and DKIM and DMARC? If not, that might be why > Charter is blocking your email. I have SPF configured, haven't done DKIM and DMARC quite yet.

Dec. 19, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 07:49:58PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > It's only email TO @charter.net which is being blocked. And I've > looked at all the UCE blacklists and my IP isn't listed. *shrug* Not > much else I can do. Did you configure SPF and DKIM and DMARC? If not, that might be why Charter is blocking your email.

Dec. 18, 2022

Re: December WLUG meeting This Thursday! Topic: Tailscale VPN!

by John Stoffel

> We've got a wlug meeting this Thursday! > Date: December 15th, 2022 > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI campus center room 129! > Topic: Tailscale VPN > Not interested in exposing ports on the internet but still want to > get to your machine at home? Want to expose services securely? > Interested in setting up your own encrypted? > Tailscale might do what you need! > Food and drinks will be provided and we'll grab dinner and keep the conversation going! Damn... totally missed this, but I've been busy with other stuff lately. Next year for sure!

Dec. 18, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 03:10:24PM -0500, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: >> Secondly: in re: Linode being blocked for email, I'm finding it hard to >> verify this (and in fact, I see evidence to the contrary). Are you certain >> that your mail server is not listed on any blacklists? If you are getting an >> "AUP#In-1000" this would indicate a UCE listing. You can try the community >> forums to get more information about the issue. > Linode automatically blocks standard SMTP ports (25, 465, and 587) to combat > spam. You can get them to lift the block per-node by submitting a support > ticket, it was pretty easy for me to do when I was still on Linode. Just to followup here, Linode is NOT blocking port 25 either inbound or outbound, nor 465 or 587. I've been running stoffel.org on there with mail and http for years now. It's only email TO @charter.net which is being blocked. And I've looked at all the UCE blacklists and my IP isn't listed. *shrug* Not much else I can do. Right now I'm playing with vultr VPS to see how that works and if I run into problems, but I honestly see me moving to panix down the line. I'm happy to pay more for a better service where I can run my own VPS and mail setup. More as I get this moving better over the Xmas downtime.

Dec. 18, 2022

We've got a wlug meeting Today!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody!! We've got a wlug meeting Today!! Date: December 15th, 2022 Time: 7pm Location: WPI campus center room 129! Virtual Location: WlugMA Jitsi Meeting! <https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA> Topic: Tailscale VPN Not interested in exposing ports on the internet but still want to get to your machine at home? Want to expose services securely? Tailscale might do what you need! Food and drinks will be provided and we'll grab dinner and keep the conversation going! Later! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 15, 2022

Re: December WLUG meeting This Thursday! Topic: Tailscale VPN!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a wlug meeting this Thursday! > > Date: December 15th, 2022 > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI campus center room 129! > Topic: Tailscale VPN You didn't mention jit.si. Can I assume that will also be an option? > I'm going to work on getting some better > omni directional mics for future meetings. I can't make it to WPI, but I'd like to help you test your new microphone. -- Keith

Dec. 15, 2022

December WLUG meeting This Thursday! Topic: Tailscale VPN!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody!! We've got a wlug meeting this Thursday! Date: December 15th, 2022 Time: 7pm Location: WPI campus center room 129! Topic: Tailscale VPN Not interested in exposing ports on the internet but still want to get to your machine at home? Want to expose services securely? Interested in setting up your own encrypted? Tailscale might do what you need! Food and drinks will be provided and we'll grab dinner and keep the conversation going! Later! Tim.

Dec. 14, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Cara Salter

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 03:10:24PM -0500, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: > Secondly: in re: Linode being blocked for email, I'm finding it hard to > verify this (and in fact, I see evidence to the contrary). Are you certain > that your mail server is not listed on any blacklists? If you are getting an > "AUP#In-1000" this would indicate a UCE listing. You can try the community > forums to get more information about the issue. Linode automatically blocks standard SMTP ports (25, 465, and 587) to combat spam. You can get them to lift the block per-node by submitting a support ticket, it was pretty easy for me to do when I was still on Linode. -- Cara

Dec. 12, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

I realize this is resolved, but I'll (semi-selfishly) send out two more quick things: For one, if any of y'all wanted to try any others - or maybe you have some jobs you'd like to offload to the cloud temporarily, here's some more free credits: https://www.linode.com/lan (from "Linux Action News" - $100 on Linode) As a side-note (if you care) Linode is an Akamai company now (has been for several months IIRC). And this is where I get selfish - this here is a personal one - I haven't heard any ads for DigitalOcean. for a while: https://m.do.co/c/305f9963f488 - $200 (I think you have to use within 60 days) If you do use D.O., opt for the Premium AMD systems - they are much faster. Secondly: in re: Linode being blocked for email, I'm finding it hard to verify this (and in fact, I see evidence to the contrary). Are you certain that your mail server is not listed on any blacklists? If you are getting an "AUP#In-1000" this would indicate a UCE listing. You can try the community forums to get more information about the issue. Otherwise, you can also use e.g. MailGun (not so cheap) or SendGrid (has free tiers) as your outbound SMTP server. I've had to do this on a number of occasions, and they also have API for hooking up e.g. Drupal mail, etc. Regards, Chris On 12/8/22 12:11, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: > Here's $150 for Vultr :-) > > https://www.vultr.com/promo/try150?promo=150OFFER30&utm_source=TechLinked&u… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ORTSH…

Dec. 12, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

Thanks Chris! This plus the $10 they want up front should get me going for testing purposes for a year at least! John

Dec. 8, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Here's $150 for Vultr :-) https://www.vultr.com/promo/try150?promo=150OFFER30&utm_source=TechLinked&u…

Dec. 8, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Couture via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I second this. I love Vultr. If you're running a mail server on Vultr, can you send an email to jstoffel(a)charter.net as a test please? > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 5:22 PM Kuhn, Keegan via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I can recommend Vultr's (cloud compute) VPS, which is a few dollars > monthly. > -- > Sincerely, > Keegan Kuhn > ________________________________________ > From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 5:05 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > Cc: John Stoffel > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Looking for a good VPS provider > Guys, > I'm looking for a new provider to host my domain, which is mostly > email only. Some small web presense. I'm currently on Linode, but > since Charter is blocking all of Linode's IP space from sending > email... it kinda makes it hard to keep in touch with neighbors who > have @charter.net email addresses. > Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a > dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more > than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Change Settings: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Web Forum/Archive: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IYYKT… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KTYN7…

Dec. 8, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Jason Couture

I second this. I love Vultr. Cheap too. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 5:22 PM Kuhn, Keegan via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I can recommend Vultr's (cloud compute) VPS, which is a few dollars > monthly. > > -- > Sincerely, > Keegan Kuhn > > ________________________________________ > From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 5:05 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion > Cc: John Stoffel > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Looking for a good VPS provider > > > Guys, > I'm looking for a new provider to host my domain, which is mostly > email only. Some small web presense. I'm currently on Linode, but > since Charter is blocking all of Linode's IP space from sending > email... it kinda makes it hard to keep in touch with neighbors who > have @charter.net email addresses. > > Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a > dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more > than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Change Settings: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > Web Forum/Archive: > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IYYKT… >

Dec. 6, 2022

Re: Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

Hi Cara, Care to send an email to 'jstoffel(a)charter.net' as a test? Let's see if that gets blocked.... :-) John

Dec. 6, 2022

Re: Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Good catch, John - I should have mentioned that! (I do keep my monitors off as well). Yes - given I'm on i3, I do a `DISPLAY=:0 i3lock &` and a simple Ctrl+C is good for killing the x0vncserver started in the SSH shell. Thanks for pointing out those very important caveats. Regards, Chris On 12/5/22 11:09, John Stoffel wrote: > I'm sure you're re-locking the X-display when you're done and killing > the x0vncserver, but I think it should be a part of your notes, so > that things are kept secure.

Dec. 6, 2022

Next WLUG meeting Dec 15th 2022!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I'm moving the meeting to the 15th! We brought up a whole bunch of interesting meeting ideas last meeting. QUIK was talked about. We also talked about redoing the KiCAD talk so we could see the full talk (and actually record it!) We also talked about deep diving into the new wifi standards. PiKVM as well as FOSS music players and piCroft. Let me know what you might be interested in talking about. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 5, 2022

Re: Looking for a good VPS provider

by Cara Salter

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 05:05:31PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > > Guys, > Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a > dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more > than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. I run my email server on a netcup[1] VPS. It's pretty cheap, and I haven't run into any deliverability issues. Be well, Cara [1]: https://netcup.eu

Dec. 5, 2022

Re: [EXT] Looking for a good VPS provider

by Kuhn, Keegan

I can recommend Vultr's (cloud compute) VPS, which is a few dollars monthly. -- Sincerely, Keegan Kuhn ________________________________________ From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 5:05 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion Cc: John Stoffel Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Looking for a good VPS provider Guys, I'm looking for a new provider to host my domain, which is mostly email only. Some small web presense. I'm currently on Linode, but since Charter is blocking all of Linode's IP space from sending email... it kinda makes it hard to keep in touch with neighbors who have @charter.net email addresses. Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Change Settings: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Web Forum/Archive: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…

Dec. 5, 2022

Re: Looking for a good VPS provider

by Gary Hanley

I don't know if this is competitive or not but I have been using Panix to host my domain for a long time and never had any serious issues with them. https://www.panix.com/v-colo/plans.html#chart1 On 12/5/22 17:05, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Guys, > I'm looking for a new provider to host my domain, which is mostly > email only. Some small web presense. I'm currently on Linode, but > since Charter is blocking all of Linode's IP space from sending > email... it kinda makes it hard to keep in touch with neighbors who > have @charter.net email addresses. > > Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a > dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more > than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OHRMG…

Dec. 5, 2022

Looking for a good VPS provider

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm looking for a new provider to host my domain, which is mostly email only. Some small web presense. I'm currently on Linode, but since Charter is blocking all of Linode's IP space from sending email... it kinda makes it hard to keep in touch with neighbors who have @charter.net email addresses. Don't want to spend a ton,but I would like to get something with a dedicated IP and 2gb of RAM, or maybe a little more. Not much more than that. I don't want any management, I'll do it all myself. John

Dec. 5, 2022

Re: Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by John Stoffel

Chris, Thanks for the writeup and information. That's a really good set of notes on how to make this work for the occasional use. Of course this also means that your local home session is now unlocked and visible while you're working on it remotely, and if your home isn't secure, you might be leaving yourself open. I'm sure you're re-locking the X-display when you're done and killing the x0vncserver, but I think it should be a part of your notes, so that things are kept secure. Now if you turn off your monitors at home while on the road, this is a little less of a risk if only because your montiors won't light up when you're using them remotely. I still like the mobaxterm solution for some situations. But if you need to grab info from a running X tool which can't be stopped/restarted, then this works well. John >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hi all, > Following up on a 6 month or so old inquiry... > My request had been to get to my desktop session of X remotely. I seldom use this (mosh is > typically more than enough) but occasionally it can be handy - e.g. grabbing a password I forgot > to move out from FireFox into KeyPassXC, etc. (I do use FF sync, but not for passwords...call me > paranoid - I don't mind). > I ended up going with John's suggestion: something VNC-based. While you can set up Xvnc itself for > a separate session, I prefer not to do this (nor do I need/want a Display Manager remotely). I > only wanted on-demand access to the desktop shown (i.e. what's on the local monitor), and have > found TigerVNC to be a good fit for this. > Setup... > "Client" = laptop on the road, "Server" = the desktop @ home > Client setup: while you can use `ssh -L etc.` to set up port forwards, I prefer just using ~/.ssh/ > config, to which I added something like this: > ``` > Host my_server # the alias I'm using for the server system > LocalForward 5900 127.0.0.1:5900 # forward local port 5900 to 127.0.0.1:5900 on the server > site > HostName xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx # IP or fqdn of server system > ``` > So, my laptop's localhost:5900 is now forwarded (through SSH) to the server system's equivalent of > 127.0.0.1:5900. You can of course change the ports as needed, but as I do not run an VNC server > process on my laptop, this is fine for me. > This is where Tiger's x0vncserver comes in (x11vnc is another alternative). From `man x0vncserver > `: > x0vncserver is a TigerVNC Server which makes any X display remotely accessible via VNC, > TigerVNC or compatible viewers. Unlike Xvnc(1), it does not create a virtual display. Instead, > it > just shares an existing X server (typically, that one connected to the physical screen). > Just what I wanted! Once I have connected via SSH, to the server system, I start vnc on the server > with ` x0vncserver -localhost -SecurityTypes none -display=:0`. This only listens on localhost, > disabling security, and shares out from display :0, which is my normal i3/X11 desktop. There are a > few additional security options with tigervnc, but I'm just relying on SSH in this case. > Finally, I connect to my desktop from my client machine with `vncviewer localhost`. You can also > just run vncviewer and will be presented with a GUI for specifying options. > The performance is ...well, about what I expected from VNC at times, but overall it's been pretty > reasonable/good for my limited use cases. A couple notes specific to me that may apply to you: I > normally run a picom (an X11 compositor) - killing this before connecting is a good performance > choice. Additionally, I disable a monitor with xrandr. The VNC client works well (when in full > screen) with multiple displays by scrolling following the mouse motion, but it's just less > practical IMO than dropping a monitor. > There are some other options that make this set up even simpler (e.g. see the `-via` option of > vncviewer), but I figured starting with a more spelled-out example was better. My primary > reference was the Arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TigerVNC > Regards, > Chris > On 7/24/22 14:37, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > "Chris" == Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Chris> Great to see you all in the last meeting :-) I was the Chris> skateboarder...who caught me almost falling shortly before I Chris> left? LOL > It was good to meet you, hopefully face to face sometime. And I hope > you're all staying cool today, it's been a scorcher! Chris> [Insert name I've forgotten here (sorry!)] mentioned that their Chris> users connect to a remote session's root desktop (or whatever Chris> you call the initial/primary display :0 deal that you Chris> initially/locally get). Chris> I would like to do this as well. SSH with port forwarding is Chris> probably my preference, but wireguard would be OK as well. I Chris> don't think I want to directly expose anything like xrdp. Chris> Anyway - could you please refresh my memory as to what was Chris> being used? I'm running i3 in this case (started via Chris> lightdm). I generally have not loved using VNC-based tools, but Chris> if that's what is currently recommended, I guess I'll give it Chris> another go. > For a long time I was using NX (or FreeNX) on my work desktop so I > could connect between a windows box and a linux desktop using Synergy > to map the keyboard/mouse between systems as I moved the mouse between > my desktops. > That was using the 'nomachine.com' software, though I used the freenx > stuff. But after a while it got to be too painful, and now that I > mostly work on a windows laptop for work (due to the work VPN > requirements) I don't tend to do anything beyond lots of putty > sessions in which I run screen. > I've tried MobaXterm, but never really liked it, even though it does > offer native X display, so you can fire up remote graphical tools. > This would work better if I wasnt' 80-100 miliseconds of lag > (basically across the entire US) distant from the remote systems I > manage and work on. > Much as I hate to say it, I've sometimes just fallen back to VNC when > I need to fire up a web browser to download a 5-10gb ISO image to do a > system install. Chris> ------------ Chris> SSHFS Optimization Chris> Also - I referred to using sshfs internally for myself to my NAS, and Chris> some optimizations for it. This is my current alias to mount it: Chris> sshfs -o cache=yes -o kernel_cache -o Ciphers=aes128-ctr -o Chris> Compression=no -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -o ServerAliveInterval=15 -o Chris> reconnect -C -o idmap=user server: /mymountpoint Chris> I got a few of the recommended switches from this article that finally Chris> convinced me to just forget about NFS: Chris> https://blog.ja-ke.tech/2019/08/27/nas-performance-sshfs-nfs-smb.html > This is a great set of info, because I too have used sshfs at times > but cursed to slow speed. I'll definitely try this out. It would be > nice if the windows client also supported these options as well at > times. > Cheers! > Joohn > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/P6JMC… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GKRQ…

Dec. 5, 2022

Re: Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by Chris Thompson

Hi all, Following up on a 6 month or so old inquiry... My request had been to get to my desktop session of X remotely. I seldom use this (mosh is typically more than enough) but occasionally it can be handy - e.g. grabbing a password I forgot to move out from FireFox into KeyPassXC, etc. (I do use FF sync, but not for passwords...call me paranoid - I don't mind). I ended up going with John's suggestion: something VNC-based. While you can set up Xvnc itself for a separate session, I prefer not to do this (nor do I need/want a Display Manager remotely). I only wanted on-demand access to the desktop shown (i.e. what's on the local monitor), and have found TigerVNC to be a good fit for this. Setup... "Client" = laptop on the road, "Server" = the desktop @ home Client setup: while you can use `ssh -L etc.` to set up port forwards, I prefer just using ~/.ssh/config, to which I added something like this: ``` Host my_server # the alias I'm using for the server system LocalForward 5900 127.0.0.1:5900 # forward local port 5900 to 127.0.0.1:5900 on the server site HostName xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx # IP or fqdn of server system ``` So, my laptop's localhost:5900 is now forwarded (through SSH) to the server system's equivalent of 127.0.0.1:5900. You can of course change the ports as needed, but as I do not run an VNC server process on my laptop, this is fine for me. This is where Tiger's*x0vncserver* comes in (*x11vnc* is another alternative). From `man x0vncserver`: x0vncserver is a TigerVNC Server which makes any X display remotely accessible via VNC, TigerVNC or compatible viewers. Unlike Xvnc(1), it does not create a virtual display. Instead, it just shares an existing X server (typically, that one connected to the physical screen). Just what I wanted! Once I have connected via SSH, to the server system, I start vnc on the server with ` x0vncserver -localhost -SecurityTypes none -display=:0`. This only listens on localhost, disabling security, and shares out from display :0, which is my normal i3/X11 desktop. There are a few additional security options with tigervnc, but I'm just relying on SSH in this case. Finally, I connect to my desktop from my client machine with `vncviewer localhost`. You can also just run vncviewer and will be presented with a GUI for specifying options. The performance is ...well, about what I expected from VNC at times, but overall it's been pretty reasonable/good for my limited use cases. A couple notes specific to me that may apply to you: I normally run a picom (an X11 compositor) - killing this before connecting is a good performance choice. Additionally, I disable a monitor with xrandr. The VNC client works well (when in full screen) with multiple displays by scrolling following the mouse motion, but it's just less practical IMO than dropping a monitor. There are some other options that make this set up even simpler (e.g. see the `-via` option of vncviewer), but I figured starting with a more spelled-out example was better. My primary reference was the Arch wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TigerVNC Regards, Chris On 7/24/22 14:37, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Chris" == Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG<wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > Chris> Great to see you all in the last meeting :-) I was the > Chris> skateboarder...who caught me almost falling shortly before I > Chris> left? LOL > > It was good to meet you, hopefully face to face sometime. And I hope > you're all staying cool today, it's been a scorcher! > > Chris> [Insert name I've forgotten here (sorry!)] mentioned that their > Chris> users connect to a remote session's root desktop (or whatever > Chris> you call the initial/primary display :0 deal that you > Chris> initially/locally get). > > Chris> I would like to do this as well. SSH with port forwarding is > Chris> probably my preference, but wireguard would be OK as well. I > Chris> don't think I want to directly expose anything like xrdp. > > Chris> Anyway - could you please refresh my memory as to what was > Chris> being used? I'm running i3 in this case (started via > Chris> lightdm). I generally have not loved using VNC-based tools, but > Chris> if that's what is currently recommended, I guess I'll give it > Chris> another go. > > For a long time I was using NX (or FreeNX) on my work desktop so I > could connect between a windows box and a linux desktop using Synergy > to map the keyboard/mouse between systems as I moved the mouse between > my desktops. > > That was using the 'nomachine.com' software, though I used the freenx > stuff. But after a while it got to be too painful, and now that I > mostly work on a windows laptop for work (due to the work VPN > requirements) I don't tend to do anything beyond lots of putty > sessions in which I run screen. > > I've tried MobaXterm, but never really liked it, even though it does > offer native X display, so you can fire up remote graphical tools. > This would work better if I wasnt' 80-100 miliseconds of lag > (basically across the entire US) distant from the remote systems I > manage and work on. > > Much as I hate to say it, I've sometimes just fallen back to VNC when > I need to fire up a web browser to download a 5-10gb ISO image to do a > system install. > > > Chris> ------------ > > Chris> SSHFS Optimization > > Chris> Also - I referred to using sshfs internally for myself to my NAS, and > Chris> some optimizations for it. This is my current alias to mount it: > > Chris> sshfs -o cache=yes -o kernel_cache -o Ciphers=aes128-ctr -o > Chris> Compression=no -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -o ServerAliveInterval=15 -o > Chris> reconnect -C -o idmap=user server: /mymountpoint > > Chris> I got a few of the recommended switches from this article that finally > Chris> convinced me to just forget about NFS: > > Chris>https://blog.ja-ke.tech/2019/08/27/nas-performance-sshfs-nfs-smb.html > > This is a great set of info, because I too have used sshfs at times > but cursed to slow speed. I'll definitely try this out. It would be > nice if the windows client also supported these options as well at > times. > > > Cheers! > Joohn > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Dec. 2, 2022

Re: Happy Thanksgiving and things to discuss around the dinner table.

by Chuck Anderson

I feel this is apropos to this discussion: https://www.sciencealert.com/expert-proposes-a-method-for-telling-if-we-all… We'll need many more SI units to describe the information capacity of the Universe: https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0064475 "We determined that each particle in the observable universe contains 1.509 bits of information and there are ∼6 × 10^80 bits of information stored in all the matter particles of the observable universe." On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 08:37:11PM -0500, Joel via WLUG wrote: > By the time we get to Quettabyte would we even remember what the 1990's files were and be able to open them and use them? > > "and back then grandpa stored files on his local computer thing....Just another old time thing like getting news printed onto dead and trees ." > > > > On November 22, 2022 5:22:43 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I hope all wlug members have a fantastic Thanksgiving. > > > > > > While you're wondering about what to talk about, they've just introduced some new data measurements. The largest being a quettabyte. > > > > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03747-9 > > > > I wonder what filesystem you'd even use to manage a quettabyte? We'll have to fork zfs into qfs and make it a 1024 bit file system. > > > > Later, > > Tim.

Nov. 23, 2022

Re: Happy Thanksgiving and things to discuss around the dinner table.

by Joel

By the time we get to Quettabyte would we even remember what the 1990's files were and be able to open them and use them? "and back then grandpa stored files on his local computer thing....Just another old time thing like getting news printed onto dead and trees ." On November 22, 2022 5:22:43 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I hope all wlug members have a fantastic Thanksgiving. > > > While you're wondering about what to talk about, they've just introduced some new data measurements. The largest being a quettabyte. > > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03747-9 > > I wonder what filesystem you'd even use to manage a quettabyte? We'll have to fork zfs into qfs and make it a 1024 bit file system. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VHULK…

Nov. 23, 2022

Happy Thanksgiving and things to discuss around the dinner table.

by Tim Keller

I hope all wlug members have a fantastic Thanksgiving. While you're wondering about what to talk about, they've just introduced some new data measurements. The largest being a quettabyte. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03747-9 I wonder what filesystem you'd even use to manage a quettabyte? We'll have to fork zfs into qfs and make it a 1024 bit file system. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 22, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Patrick McEvilly

I stepped out when the QUIC discussion was going on. This is a good article written by Geoff Huston. Enjoy Patrick https://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2022-11/quicvtcp.html From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 11:54 PM To: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61 Hey everybody! So the meeting was good, but we need to work some kinks out with the A/V. The video was good, but the audio was definitely something to be desired. I'm going to work on getting some better omni directional mics for future meetings. Beyond that we had a very interesting conversation about the future of wifi with the 6e and 7 standards. We also delved a bit into some FOSS alternatives to popular commerial products like discord and options for unencumbered music players. Later, Tim. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022, 4:56 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> wrote: Tonight is also going to be a test of my A/V setup. I've got a dedicated laptop, with tripod and webcam. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:39 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org<mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! > Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This is the big "gym" building > on the quad. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music player. > Time: 7pm > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all! -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Joel" == Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> writes: > WLUG on 15th is good here. Joel Offhand I don't see any problems with the 15th either. But life might change.

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Joel

WLUG on 15th is good here. Joel On November 10, 2022 5:07:16 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I was just looking at Best buy has a free standing omni directional microphone for $50 bucks. That's definitely within my budget. > > So the December meeting isn't going to work on the second Thursday of the month because it directly conflicts with Christmas concerts. > We *could* do the 15th if that would work with everybody. > > Tim. > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 4:57 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Hey everybody! So the meeting was good, but we need to work some >> kinks out with the A/V. The video was good, but the audio was >> definitely something to be desired. > > Sorry I missed the meeting, hopefully I'll be there in December. > Let's nail down a date/time/place early if we can! Wednesday doesn't > really work for me though... > >> I'm going to work on getting some better omni directional mics for future meetings. > > One of those flat mics that sit on the desk/floor might be a good > idea. Or an old plantronics or whatever the name of the octopus like > three armed conference call phones was called. > >> Beyond that we had a very interesting conversation about the future >> of wifi with the 6e and 7 standards. > >> We also delved a bit into some FOSS alternatives to popular >> commerial products like discord and options for unencumbered music >> players. > > I've beeen hearing alot of murmurs about Mastodon as an alternative > for Twitter (which I never use) in some cases. I'm just enjoying > watching the dumpster fire over there. > > Elon is a smart smart engineer, but he's also a doofus. > > John > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2QRBB…

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

I was just looking at Best buy has a free standing omni directional microphone for $50 bucks. That's definitely within my budget. So the December meeting isn't going to work on the second Thursday of the month because it directly conflicts with Christmas concerts. We *could* do the 15th if that would work with everybody. Tim. On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 4:57 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hey everybody! So the meeting was good, but we need to work some > > kinks out with the A/V. The video was good, but the audio was > > definitely something to be desired. > > Sorry I missed the meeting, hopefully I'll be there in December. > Let's nail down a date/time/place early if we can! Wednesday doesn't > really work for me though... > > > I'm going to work on getting some better omni directional mics for > future meetings. > > One of those flat mics that sit on the desk/floor might be a good > idea. Or an old plantronics or whatever the name of the octopus like > three armed conference call phones was called. > > > Beyond that we had a very interesting conversation about the future > > of wifi with the 6e and 7 standards. > > > We also delved a bit into some FOSS alternatives to popular > > commerial products like discord and options for unencumbered music > > players. > > I've beeen hearing alot of murmurs about Mastodon as an alternative > for Twitter (which I never use) in some cases. I'm just enjoying > watching the dumpster fire over there. > > Elon is a smart smart engineer, but he's also a doofus. > > John > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Hey everybody! So the meeting was good, but we need to work some > kinks out with the A/V. The video was good, but the audio was > definitely something to be desired. Sorry I missed the meeting, hopefully I'll be there in December. Let's nail down a date/time/place early if we can! Wednesday doesn't really work for me though... > I'm going to work on getting some better omni directional mics for future meetings. One of those flat mics that sit on the desk/floor might be a good idea. Or an old plantronics or whatever the name of the octopus like three armed conference call phones was called. > Beyond that we had a very interesting conversation about the future > of wifi with the 6e and 7 standards. > We also delved a bit into some FOSS alternatives to popular > commerial products like discord and options for unencumbered music > players. I've beeen hearing alot of murmurs about Mastodon as an alternative for Twitter (which I never use) in some cases. I'm just enjoying watching the dumpster fire over there. Elon is a smart smart engineer, but he's also a doofus. John

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Bacon, John

One of the WPI NetOps Workstudies bought one. She likes it a lot. The ordering process took 42 days. JOHN -----Original Message----- From: David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 1:11 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Framework Laptops I ran across a laptop company called Framework https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fframe.wor… that sells an upgrade-able laptop. Has anyone had any experience with their products? -David -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Change Settings: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Web Forum/Archive: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

No worries. We did more talking about a whole range of stuff including the new wifi standard stuff than the pi music player. Also, if you did show up virtually, you'd have been frustrated. The room was way too big for the dinky mic I brought. I'm going to have to buy a good omni mic that I can put on a tripod in the middle of the room. Possibly a lav mic for the person speaking as well. Next month we will have a more organized presentation. Keegan, one of the guys who's new to the group had a bunch of great suggestions so it'll be a much better presentation for it. In talking to the people in the room, the idea of a stand alone FOSS music player was appealing to everybody. Also, John redoing his KiCAD demo was of interest as well. Tim. On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 8:19 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I did want to get there, and in particular wanted to hear about the FOSS > pi based music player. Was all set to go and life got in the way at the > last minute. Hope it went well > > On 11/9/22 15:39, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! > >> Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! > This is the big "gym" building > >> on the quad. > >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > >> Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music > player. > >> Time: 7pm > >> Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! > > I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all! > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CFGXW… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2X7C… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by hammerron

I did want to get there, and in particular wanted to hear about the FOSS pi based music player. Was all set to go and life got in the way at the last minute. Hope it went well On 11/9/22 15:39, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! >> Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This is the big "gym" building >> on the quad. >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music player. >> Time: 7pm >> Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! > I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all! > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CFGXW…

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

Hey everybody! So the meeting was good, but we need to work some kinks out with the A/V. The video was good, but the audio was definitely something to be desired. I'm going to work on getting some better omni directional mics for future meetings. Beyond that we had a very interesting conversation about the future of wifi with the 6e and 7 standards. We also delved a bit into some FOSS alternatives to popular commerial products like discord and options for unencumbered music players. Later, Tim. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022, 4:56 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tonight is also going to be a test of my A/V setup. I've got a dedicated > laptop, with tripod and webcam. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:39 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! >> > Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! >> This is the big "gym" building >> > on the quad. >> > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> >> > Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music >> player. >> > Time: 7pm >> > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! >> >> I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all! >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Nov. 10, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

Tonight is also going to be a test of my A/V setup. I've got a dedicated laptop, with tripod and webcam. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 3:39 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! > > Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This > is the big "gym" building > > on the quad. > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music > player. > > Time: 7pm > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! > > I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all! > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 9, 2022

Re: Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! > Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This is the big "gym" building > on the quad. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music player. > Time: 7pm > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! I can't make it, I've got scouts and thetre rehearsal. Enjoy all!

Nov. 9, 2022

Re: [EXT] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

It's the Recreation Center, NOT the student center. From the covered garage go up the big flight of stairs and it's on the right. Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 6:51 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > doug> Correct, Rec Center. > I can't make it in person being 2.x hours away now :) > But in my last professional turf, WPI NetOps. This room has the > most confusing name, for the Class of 1961. > I think it's on the top floor (4th if i recall, most enter on floor 2) > ... far RH corner ? > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 6:40 PM Kuhn, Keegan via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Is this the WPI Recreation Center, or a different campus/place in >> Worcester? >> >> -- >> Thank you, >> Keegan K. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2022 3:42 PM >> *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> >> *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: >> Rec Center Rm 61 >> >> Hey Everybody, >> >> We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! >> Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This >> is the big "gym" building on the quad. >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.jit.…> >> >> Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music >> player. >> Time: 7pm >> Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! >> >> See you there! >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKTRR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YSQ53… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 9, 2022

Re: [EXT] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Doug Mildram

doug> Correct, Rec Center. I can't make it in person being 2.x hours away now :) But in my last professional turf, WPI NetOps. This room has the most confusing name, for the Class of 1961. I think it's on the top floor (4th if i recall, most enter on floor 2) ... far RH corner ? On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 6:40 PM Kuhn, Keegan via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Is this the WPI Recreation Center, or a different campus/place in > Worcester? > > -- > Thank you, > Keegan K. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2022 3:42 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: > Rec Center Rm 61 > > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! > Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This > is the big "gym" building on the quad. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.jit.…> > > Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music > player. > Time: 7pm > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! > > See you there! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKTRR… >

Nov. 8, 2022

Re: [EXT] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Kuhn, Keegan

Is this the WPI Recreation Center, or a different campus/place in Worcester? -- Thank you, Keegan K. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 3:42 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61 Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This is the big "gym" building on the quad. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeet.jit.…> Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music player. Time: 7pm Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! See you there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 8, 2022

Reminder: Wlug meeting November 9th: Location: Rec Center Rm 61

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Wednesday November 9th! Location: Recreation Center Rm 61. This is not our usual location!! This is the big "gym" building on the quad. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Heartbleed, Linux kernel 6.0 getting rusty! FOSS pi based music player. Time: 7pm Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards! See you there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 7, 2022

Re: November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm.

by Joel

Also a scout dad + leader, leading the teenage iPhone generation every Wednesday night in my town. Just another 2.5 years for my son so it's *knot* a big long term concern. Lol Will catch up on the next one I can make. Joel On November 4, 2022 2:46:44 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> I unfortunately have a conflict on the 10th and the 17th! > > I'm going to be missing these meetings too, I've got scouts on > wednesday nights, but also a theatre show if "Cinderella" at Callioper > Theatre in Boyston first two weekends of December for the show. > >> I'm moving the meeting to the 9th. A couple of people have pulled me aside and asked about moving >> the meeting to Wednesday.. you've gotten your wish. As usual, the meeting will be online (now with >> new and improved A/V tech!) > >> We'll obviously be talking about the heartbleed bug.. Linux kernel 6.0 among other things! >> More details to come! >> Thanks, >> Tim. > >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6XHGM… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QMJO5…

Nov. 4, 2022

Re: November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm.

by John Stoffel

> I unfortunately have a conflict on the 10th and the 17th! I'm going to be missing these meetings too, I've got scouts on wednesday nights, but also a theatre show if "Cinderella" at Callioper Theatre in Boyston first two weekends of December for the show. > I'm moving the meeting to the 9th. A couple of people have pulled me aside and asked about moving > the meeting to Wednesday.. you've gotten your wish. As usual, the meeting will be online (now with > new and improved A/V tech!) > We'll obviously be talking about the heartbleed bug.. Linux kernel 6.0 among other things! > More details to come! > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6XHGM…

Nov. 4, 2022

Re: November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm.

by Tim Keller

The Nov 9th meeting will be in person. I've reached out to Frank to clarify in which room. The meeting will also be online as well. Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 10:04 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Will the Nov 9th meeting be on line only, or also in person. If also in > person, what location? > > > Ron > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:16 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [WLUG] November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm. > > Hey Gang! > > I unfortunately have a conflict on the 10th and the 17th! > I'm moving the meeting to the 9th. A couple of people have pulled me aside > and asked about moving the meeting to Wednesday.. you've gotten your wish. > As usual, the meeting will be online (now with new and improved A/V tech!) > > We'll obviously be talking about the heartbleed bug.. Linux kernel 6.0 > among other things! > More details to come! > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EJD4S… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 4, 2022

Re: November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm.

by THE HAMMER

Hi Tim, Will the Nov 9th meeting be on line only, or also in person. If also in person, what location? Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 9:16 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm. Hey Gang! I unfortunately have a conflict on the 10th and the 17th! I'm moving the meeting to the 9th. A couple of people have pulled me aside and asked about moving the meeting to Wednesday.. you've gotten your wish. As usual, the meeting will be online (now with new and improved A/V tech!) We'll obviously be talking about the heartbleed bug.. Linux kernel 6.0 among other things! More details to come! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 4, 2022

Re: Framework Laptops

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Hi all, I asked about it when I got home tonight and there were a few comments: - The one item that has been a distraction to him is that the fan ramps up on occasion (for no apparent reason). I have noticed the fan noise myself at times - it's not the quietest @ 100%. He blames something in Garuda, but hasn't nailed down what it is yet (KDE on a Core 12th gen). If I were to run `stress --cpu 16` on my T14 AMD 2nd Gen, I won't hear my fan over his despite sitting at our own computers. - He got the DIY version and REALLY appreciated the build experience. Everything that's good about the framework really stands out when you put one together. I've helped him change a video card in the past - he's not a huge hardware geek, but got this together with zero issue. Everything has a QR code for getting directly to instructions if you need them. - Frame.work has successfully transitioned from 11th gen to 12th so far, successfully keeping the frame, etc. A neat thing about this is that there are community designs (i.e. printable cases) allowing you to build an SFF PC based on your previous gen mainboard, should you upgrade. - There are decent community forum pages covering various distros on framework's site. The arch page (as is so often the case) is a great help for finding a consolidated list of tweaks you may need. - One thing that may be noteworthy to people not fond of using wireless networking when they don't have to is that the 2.5Gbit/s Ethernet adapter (which was only recently released) sticks out the side. I believe it's the only module that does. I guess it's whatever...they are easy enough to swap out when you want to get to a better "on the go mode". It's an RTL8156 and should work fine (linux 5.13+). Wireless has been great. - He recommends checking out the LTT video(s) on it and said their review matches his perception, though none of the minor qualms they had about the device have been concerns for him (links below). - The screen frame didn't review all that well from LTT. They did since change the design for the 12th gen ( https://knowledgebase.frame.work/explainer-lid-rigidity-hinge-force-the-cnc… ). It feels pretty comparable to my T14, but I'm pretty sure he'd have a fair bit easier task changing his than I would, should it ever actually be necessary. - He got this laptop about a month and a half ago, so not much more we can offer about reliability. I'd scan their forums. LTT videos (note, Linus did invest nearly $250k in Frame.work): https://www.youtube.com/c/LinusTechTips/search?query=frame.work There was another recent LTT video (a quick take or something like that) about an HP laptop. It seems that perhaps the framework may be having some impact on other manufacturer's repairability? NOT the same as upgrading the mainboard, but still a good thing: LTT (sponsored by HP) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8lsUvil_S8 Enjoy! Chris On 11/3/22 15:48, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I might be in the market for a new laptop soon and this definitely > goes on the list. > > Chris, what has your roomates experience been with the durability? > Tim. > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:38 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > They are quite good. My housemate/coworker got one. We work > exclusively > in free software. He put Garuda on it and has full functionality, but > did have to do a tweak or two. He got the 12th gen, and purchased > ram/ssd separately (they price those pretty high). > > Regards, > Chris > > On 11/3/22 13:11, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > > > https://frame.work/ > > > > that sells an upgrade-able laptop. > > > > Has anyone had any experience with their products? > > > > -David > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7W6L2… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Nov. 4, 2022

November meeting..Change of date to Nov. 9th. @7pm.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! I unfortunately have a conflict on the 10th and the 17th! I'm moving the meeting to the 9th. A couple of people have pulled me aside and asked about moving the meeting to Wednesday.. you've gotten your wish. As usual, the meeting will be online (now with new and improved A/V tech!) We'll obviously be talking about the heartbleed bug.. Linux kernel 6.0 among other things! More details to come! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 4, 2022

Re: Framework Laptops

by Robert Krawitz

On 11/3/22 15:48, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I might be in the market for a new laptop soon and this definitely goes on the list. If only they made a workstation version with a 17" screen and lots of storage slots (preferably a mix of 2.5" and M.2)...

Nov. 3, 2022

Re: Framework Laptops

by Tim Keller

I might be in the market for a new laptop soon and this definitely goes on the list. Chris, what has your roomates experience been with the durability? Tim. On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:38 PM Chris Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > They are quite good. My housemate/coworker got one. We work exclusively > in free software. He put Garuda on it and has full functionality, but > did have to do a tweak or two. He got the 12th gen, and purchased > ram/ssd separately (they price those pretty high). > > Regards, > Chris > > On 11/3/22 13:11, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > > > https://frame.work/ > > > > that sells an upgrade-able laptop. > > > > Has anyone had any experience with their products? > > > > -David > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7W6L2… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 3, 2022

Re: Framework Laptops

by Chris Thompson

They are quite good. My housemate/coworker got one. We work exclusively in free software. He put Garuda on it and has full functionality, but did have to do a tweak or two. He got the 12th gen, and purchased ram/ssd separately (they price those pretty high). Regards, Chris On 11/3/22 13:11, David Glaser via WLUG wrote: > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > https://frame.work/ > > that sells an upgrade-able laptop. > > Has anyone had any experience with their products? > > -David > >

Nov. 3, 2022

Framework Laptops

by David Glaser

I ran across a laptop company called Framework https://frame.work/ that sells an upgrade-able laptop. Has anyone had any experience with their products? -David -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Nov. 3, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Dick Miller

But wait, Tim! I want /my/ turn to apologize, too! My training as a physicist demands a /full/ analysis - and hopefully, /one or more potential solutions/. :-) Jill and I had planned to present the wonders of Fotoxx from our home in Natick, where a big TV screen and the Internet are readily available. About 5:30PM, Jill had mostly prepared our dinner and was about to slide it into the microwave oven. I was checking for late-afternoon e-mail, and read this short message (sent 5:05PM, but who's counting?): "See you there tonight, in person!" What say? /In person? /Well, there's just about time to do that... I ran down to the kitchen to consult with The Boss, and we decided to Go For It. I e-mailed back (sent 5:43PM, but who's counting?): "CU there! Have computer, will travel." Jill disassembled our dinner, as I assembled trusty Dicknote (my laptop) and a few accessories, chucked them into a shoulder bag, and we were off - into unusually thick 6PM stop-and-go traffic. That's when it started raining hard; almost the entire trip was tense driving. We arrived about 7PM, knowing where the meeting was but not where we were to park the car. We eventually parked in a big garage and, as person after person referred us onward, found a nice young lady who sketched us a map of our hike-to-be through the rainy WPI quadrangle and -- well, we arrived somewhat later than any of us had expected. Not good, but we /were/ there. We quickly set up for our Fotoxx demo. That's when I discovered that my laptop accessories did /not/ include /a critical HDMI adapter for Dicknote's display port/. My goof - in a hurry and under pressure, but my goof. With WLUG's help, we found an alternate adapter that failed to work, tried a loaned laptop with a hard-for-me-to-handle different GUI, tried running my favorite */Ubuntu-Unity 22.04 LTS/* <https://ubuntuunity.org/> in that laptop's RAM (booting from my */Ventoy thumb drive/* <https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html>), and finally gave up. I ran the rest of the presentation from Dicknote, without my normal link to the room's big screen, to the Internet, and to so many of you. Folks in the room sat close by, looked over my shoulder, and tried Fotoxx themselves as, with frazzled nerves, I presented about half of what I'd intended. And that, said the physicist, is /why/ we were online so very briefly. *The Physicist's Phyx:**A check list*, printed on paper but as if carved into stone, for the items to be In The Bag for talks: /Dicknote, appropriate power supply, Ventoy thumb drive w/appropriate demo software aboard, at least one //*Display Port to HDMI Adapter <https://www.ebay.com/itm/133428969803>*//. Long HDMI cable, Tux penguin and other interesting goodies optional. A dime for phone call home, and an emergency parachute. Keep copies of said check list in carrying bag, in wallet, and in head. Keep the computer version of same, and copy it into each appropriate calendar entry./ Carrying case closed! Sorry about that! "The Kingdom was lost, all for the want of a two-penny nail!" Well, what with the falling dubloon, about $2 today. We sell these mighty HP EliteBook laptops (14" 2560x1440 display, Core i7 CPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD and more, plus power supply /and that critical //Display Port adapter)/ populated with Ubuntu-Unity's Linux OS and vast amounts of FOSS with more on tap) all for about $700. So, /we stock that display port-to-HDMI adapter/; had we stayed home (he said, ruefully), all would have gone well. Well, we did enjoy meeting some of you, but... For*second prize*, I offer you these: 1. You can read a detailed description of Fotoxx and download various flavors of the latest Fotoxx 22.35 from Mike Cornelison's home base <https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html>. 2. From within that Fotoxx article, I recommend downloading the appropriate /appimage/ package. Right-click on it, click on Properties > Permissions and click to check the box to make it executable. Close that window, double-click the appimage icon, wait a minute, and you'll have Fotoxx up and running in RAM - even after a Suspend, until you Close it or power down! You can try out Fotoxx and, when/if you wish, double-click its Install Fotoxx icon to add it to your computer's riches (from which it will load quite quickly). 3. You'll have its copious Help documentation aboard (even with the in-RAM version) and, in any Fotoxx operation, you can tap the F1 key to get specific documentation on /that/ operation. I think most of you can adjust its settings to find YOUR Pictures folder, etc. 4. Several of you already have reported early success and interest, and I welcome such messages. 5. Think you're getting good at the many instant capabilities of Fotoxx? Then you're ready to try *my challenge*. Starting with this unpromisingsmartphone through-the-windshield sunset grab shot: Fotoxx enabled me to quickly and accurately convert it into this (rather like our WPI drive might have been): If you choose to accept this challenge, upon your request I'll e-mail you the smartphone's full-sized (4160x2340x8) grab shot. Last, but not least, *Mike Cornelison's own 54-min. Fotoxx Demo And Tutorial <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Kwnr4TrwM>* will reveal far, far more of its wonders than I did in twice that time. Gentlemen, start your Fotoxxen! Cheers from --Dick Miller, Partner, MMS <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> Co-Leader, FOSS User Group in Natick (NatickFOSS.org) <http://millermicro.com/FOSSUserGroupNatick.html> <-Click here to learn about our VIRTUAL MEETINGS, join, or view later! -- *| A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | | Mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com | 61 Lake Shore Road | | Web: http://www.millermicro.com/ | Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9AM-9PM -0400(EDT)| NMEA N 42.29993°, W 71.36558° |* Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, free open-source software, /Linux/ <http://NatickFOSS.org/> PC - with /Ubuntu-Unity 22.04.1 LTS/ <https://ubuntuunity.org> and /Fotoxx 22.35/ <http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html> making the most of the tiny camera within a Samsung Galaxy A53 5G smartphone <https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-review-3149923/>. On 10/14/22 12:55, Tim Keller wrote: > I'd like to apologize for the online meeting failure last night. > > Going forward our Jitsi game is going to have to be upped a bit. To > this end, I'm putting together a wlug "go-bag" that'll have a tripod, > a dedicated camera/mic and a laptop to run the whole shabang. Along > with that I'm going to toss in a whole bevy of "X to HDMI" adapters as > well as our own nice long HDMI cables, etc. > > This will eliminate delays in dealing with the student center, allow > for seamless virtual meetings, and properly record them to put up on > the youtube channel. > > Thanks for your understanding, > Tim. > > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 10:52 AM Keith Wright via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We lost the room on the web call. Will you guys be back on tonight? > > Right. That didn't work well. I was on jitsi within > minutes of 7pm. At first I thought I had technical > problems because I couldn't see or hear anybody. > A few minutes and a few named rectangles showed up, > including the all important "WLUG Meeting". > > But the guest speaker was not there. It was noisy and > hard to hear anyone who was not near the mike. Around > 7:30 there was talk of booting from a flash drive and > then "WLUG Meeting" vanished. There were three of us > left, me and two rectangles named jstone and PMcEvilly. > We talked a bit about our computers, but didn't really > have much to say. At 8pm the computer that runs ntpd > (NetTimePro) said it was time to move along. > > This is not a gripe, it's a bug report. Jitsi actually > seemed to work better from the public library. This > is a bit frightening. WPI has been teaching over > video chat for years. We did video chat meetings > with the equipment in the student center back in > the Andy Stewart days. > > > Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Will you guys be back on tonight? > > I'm not sure what to make of that question. > WLUG meetings are traditionally 1/month. > On the other hand, I think the jitsi room > is open all the time. > > -- Keith, Programmer in Chief, > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F2QEQ… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 15, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Doug Mildram

doug/dmildram, former WPI dude/netops but now in Maine> Just wanted to say .............(yea right, as I type a long windy rant) ...............the effort+result of everyone's contributions are truly "all good" and appreciated! yes, jitsi totally rocks from my limited-use view. Recorded meetings are very cool! Both my 2 piles of PICtures/jpg's , as well as the muzak/mp3's in my personal/(~20-40g) stash of precious/home data.... are indeed in need of a brainy front end. Hating Rhythmbox front end for mp3's though it plays all my mp3's correctly w/o weird play/stutter,etc issues. I know there's a slew of media players, both audio and image/video. And, I do love vlc , yet need to learn more of its capabilities and improve my ease of use, plus fix my command-line-launch no-go/problem I'm having. (AUDIO only of course? I'm seeing that vlc even gets into images.....) but will not divert into an audio whine/discuss here. FOR PICTURES: I don't know you, for example, Lexi who just posted/replied re: fotoxx, but I really dug your DIY-brain story, building from source, = how we/dinosaurs used to do stuff until it got harder over decades :) Back to PICS/IMAGES pursuits in detail, fotoxx seems to be a viewer (mostly?) for a personal stash/giant-or-smaller-album. Can it auto-or-manually tweak/compress jpg's to save space without losing much quality? (I'm gimp-ignorant...gimp probably does, it's obviously a tweaker not viewer? tool, i.e. ...one image at a time. Tangent or not: I hated myself for continuing to use a windows program (ACDsee, i bought a license decades ago, back when you could buy a cheap license) ...........which very quickly cropped+downsized images greatly like 5-10x smaller. Being MB-stingy,.I got into the habit of trimming saved-pics. Until I admitted it was too much work, cuz i never learned to trim easily on linux ... Hated myself cuz I'm almost done w windozeMS but for 1 or 2 things! (last to die in my world, win7 for me == important for tax-filing software. Well, i rambled too much. Welcoming more pics/images/fotoxx feedback though. I'm gonna dig into fotoxxx pretty soon i think. Since there's no recording of this week's meeting, maybe we can be a bit noiser on the list this month! -- doug On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 12:55 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'd like to apologize for the online meeting failure last night. > > Going forward our Jitsi game is going to have to be upped a bit. To this > end, I'm putting together a wlug "go-bag" that'll have a tripod, a > dedicated camera/mic and a laptop to run the whole shabang. Along with that > I'm going to toss in a whole bevy of "X to HDMI" adapters as well as our > own nice long HDMI cables, etc. > > This will eliminate delays in dealing with the student center, allow for > seamless virtual meetings, and properly record them to put up on the > youtube channel. > > Thanks for your understanding, > Tim. > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 10:52 AM Keith Wright via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > We lost the room on the web call. Will you guys be back on tonight? >> >> Right. That didn't work well. I was on jitsi within >> minutes of 7pm. At first I thought I had technical >> problems because I couldn't see or hear anybody. >> A few minutes and a few named rectangles showed up, >> including the all important "WLUG Meeting". >> >> But the guest speaker was not there. It was noisy and >> hard to hear anyone who was not near the mike. Around >> 7:30 there was talk of booting from a flash drive and >> then "WLUG Meeting" vanished. There were three of us >> left, me and two rectangles named jstone and PMcEvilly. >> We talked a bit about our computers, but didn't really >> have much to say. At 8pm the computer that runs ntpd >> (NetTimePro) said it was time to move along. >> >> This is not a gripe, it's a bug report. Jitsi actually >> seemed to work better from the public library. This >> is a bit frightening. WPI has been teaching over >> video chat for years. We did video chat meetings >> with the equipment in the student center back in >> the Andy Stewart days. >> >> Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > Will you guys be back on tonight? >> >> I'm not sure what to make of that question. >> WLUG meetings are traditionally 1/month. >> On the other hand, I think the jitsi room >> is open all the time. >> >> -- Keith, Programmer in Chief, >> http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F2QEQ… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XGCFN… >

Oct. 14, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Tim Keller

I'd like to apologize for the online meeting failure last night. Going forward our Jitsi game is going to have to be upped a bit. To this end, I'm putting together a wlug "go-bag" that'll have a tripod, a dedicated camera/mic and a laptop to run the whole shabang. Along with that I'm going to toss in a whole bevy of "X to HDMI" adapters as well as our own nice long HDMI cables, etc. This will eliminate delays in dealing with the student center, allow for seamless virtual meetings, and properly record them to put up on the youtube channel. Thanks for your understanding, Tim. On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 10:52 AM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We lost the room on the web call. Will you guys be back on tonight? > > Right. That didn't work well. I was on jitsi within > minutes of 7pm. At first I thought I had technical > problems because I couldn't see or hear anybody. > A few minutes and a few named rectangles showed up, > including the all important "WLUG Meeting". > > But the guest speaker was not there. It was noisy and > hard to hear anyone who was not near the mike. Around > 7:30 there was talk of booting from a flash drive and > then "WLUG Meeting" vanished. There were three of us > left, me and two rectangles named jstone and PMcEvilly. > We talked a bit about our computers, but didn't really > have much to say. At 8pm the computer that runs ntpd > (NetTimePro) said it was time to move along. > > This is not a gripe, it's a bug report. Jitsi actually > seemed to work better from the public library. This > is a bit frightening. WPI has been teaching over > video chat for years. We did video chat meetings > with the equipment in the student center back in > the Andy Stewart days. > > Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Will you guys be back on tonight? > > I'm not sure what to make of that question. > WLUG meetings are traditionally 1/month. > On the other hand, I think the jitsi room > is open all the time. > > -- Keith, Programmer in Chief, > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F2QEQ… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 14, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Keith Wright

Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We lost the room on the web call. Will you guys be back on tonight? Right. That didn't work well. I was on jitsi within minutes of 7pm. At first I thought I had technical problems because I couldn't see or hear anybody. A few minutes and a few named rectangles showed up, including the all important "WLUG Meeting". But the guest speaker was not there. It was noisy and hard to hear anyone who was not near the mike. Around 7:30 there was talk of booting from a flash drive and then "WLUG Meeting" vanished. There were three of us left, me and two rectangles named jstone and PMcEvilly. We talked a bit about our computers, but didn't really have much to say. At 8pm the computer that runs ntpd (NetTimePro) said it was time to move along. This is not a gripe, it's a bug report. Jitsi actually seemed to work better from the public library. This is a bit frightening. WPI has been teaching over video chat for years. We did video chat meetings with the equipment in the student center back in the Andy Stewart days. Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Will you guys be back on tonight? I'm not sure what to make of that question. WLUG meetings are traditionally 1/month. On the other hand, I think the jitsi room is open all the time. -- Keith, Programmer in Chief, http://www.free-comp-shop.com/

Oct. 14, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Lexi Haley

Thank you Dick for the talk tonight ( so much as I was able to stay for ) - your enthusiasm for linux advocacy and outreach was recognizable; and I enjoyed romping around your website - I wonder if your Canopus star-tracker work in the 60s had any outputs still in use on the Voyagers (some 14.6 billion miles away now...)! Sorry I had to leave early, but I arrived home interested to check it out. I use TinyCore linux on my daily driver laptop (Dell Latitude (c) 2012), which didn't have fotoxx in its package manager - so I built it from the source packages on https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html. Incidentally, there is a LONG OVERVIEW section on that page which combined with your talk offered me more description of the features. Once I built it I began checking it out. It absolutely suggests a talented and devoted developer; it is quirky and polished in my novitiate eyes. First off - from the building side - I observe it is a collection of executables - Michael Cornelison the author certainly has been hard at work - cloc says: github.com/AlDanial/cloc v 1.95 T=1.51 s (33.2 files/s, 118058.5 lines/s) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Language files blank comment code ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C++ 31 38465 16842 118237 C/C++ Header 4 540 230 2798 make 11 111 60 634 Text 1 11 0 47 CSS 3 35 33 19 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUM: 50 39162 17165 121735 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It wasn't difficult to build - I made it into a TinyCore Linux package and then loaded it up. Initially it attempted to tackle my entire drive, but crashed (a corrupt PNG took it down during the indexing); I then aimed it at a media specific folder, and I was surprised to see it creating thumbnails for mp4 movies - ultimately these files are just easily launched into VLC by a keystroke. Things I like - I like the Map view - I like seeing the thumb-tack indication of where my photos' geotags point. I like the Gallery's balance between fast thumbnails and some brief metadata - and I like that folders are shown with a count of inner images and folders -a nice sort of bread crumbs. I also like the prepackaged set of effects and filters - For instance Voodoo 1 applied to one of my photos created a nice effect. I'm sure these features bring powerful image editing techniques into more hands more easily than something with a steeper learning curve (say GIMP). I'm not sure it is about to become my go-to software though. I have been a long time GIMP user and so appreciate the skill I already possess therein. However, it does remind me that I desire a better gallery experience - formerly I used to use F-Spot Photo Manager, but that seems to be in-between working builds for some time ... So, I am not sure what my next step will be, but I again thank you for tonight's romp through Fotoxx! Best of Wishes, Lexi On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 7:11 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We are here at the WPI Campus Center! > > On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 5:43 PM Dick Miller <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> > wrote: > >> CU there! Have computer, will travel. >> >> Cheers from >> --Dick (and Jill) Miller, Partners, MMS <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> >> Co-Leaders, FOSS User Group in Natick (NatickFOSS.org) >> <http://millermicro.com/FOSSUserGroupNatick.html> -- >> >> >> >> * | A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER >> SERVICES | | Mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com >> <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> | 61 Lake Shore Road | | Web: >> http://www.millermicro.com/ <http://www.millermicro.com/> | Natick, >> MA 01760-2099, USA | | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9AM-9PM -0400(EDT)| NMEA N >> 42.29993°, W 71.36558° |* >> >> Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary >> <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, >> virus-resistant, free open-source software, *Linux* >> <http://NatickFOSS.org/> PC - with *Ubuntu-Unity 22.04.1 LTS* >> <https://ubuntuunity.org> and *Fotoxx 22.35* >> <http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html> making the most of the tiny >> camera within a Samsung Galaxy A53 5G smartphone >> <https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-review-3149923/>. >> >> >> On 10/13/22 17:05, John Stoffel wrote: >> >> See you there tonight, in person! >> >> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YLGET… >

Oct. 14, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Patrick McEvilly

We lost the room on the web call. Will you guys be back on tonight? From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 4:55 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, Dick Miller <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room. Hey Everybody! Date/Time: Oct 13th 2022, 7PM-??PM Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 321) Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Speaker: Dick Miller Dick Miller is going to be speaking about Fotoxx! https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From the webpage: Navigate a large image collection using a thumbnail browser, click on an image to view or edit. A rich set of edit and retouch functions is available. Import RAW files and edit with deep color. Save revised images as JPEG, PNG (8/16 bits/color), or TIFF (8/16). Select an object or area within an image (freehand draw, follow edges, flood matching tones...), apply edit functions, copy and paste, resize, blend, warp, etc. without using layers. Edit functions have fast feedback using the full image or selected zoom-in area. Edit image metadata (tags, geotags, dates, ratings, captions...). Search images using any combination of metadata and file and folder names or partial names. Click a marker on a scalable world map to view all photos from that location. Batch functions are available to rename, add/revise metadata, copy/move, resize, convert format. Fotoxx uses your image files wherever they are and maintains a separate index for fast searching. Fotoxx is standards compliant and can be used with other photo programs (no lock-in). Fotoxx is easy to use but unconventional, so read the user guide (at least the first few pages) before jumping in. Fotoxx has deep functionality. Do not expect to master it in a few minutes. Along with the presentation, as usual expect the usual amount of banter about all things Linux/FOSS/etc. Definitely some talk about mdadm..which I'm sure will digress into a weird demo... Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to have dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. I hope to see you there! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Tim Keller

We are here at the WPI Campus Center! On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 5:43 PM Dick Miller <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> wrote: > CU there! Have computer, will travel. > > Cheers from > --Dick (and Jill) Miller, Partners, MMS <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> > Co-Leaders, FOSS User Group in Natick (NatickFOSS.org) > <http://millermicro.com/FOSSUserGroupNatick.html> -- > > > > * | A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER > SERVICES | | Mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com > <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> | 61 Lake Shore Road | | Web: > http://www.millermicro.com/ <http://www.millermicro.com/> | Natick, > MA 01760-2099, USA | | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9AM-9PM -0400(EDT)| NMEA N > 42.29993°, W 71.36558° |* > > Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary > <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, > virus-resistant, free open-source software, *Linux* > <http://NatickFOSS.org/> PC - with *Ubuntu-Unity 22.04.1 LTS* > <https://ubuntuunity.org> and *Fotoxx 22.35* > <http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html> making the most of the tiny > camera within a Samsung Galaxy A53 5G smartphone > <https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-review-3149923/>. > > > On 10/13/22 17:05, John Stoffel wrote: > > See you there tonight, in person! > > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Dick Miller

CU there! Have computer, will travel. Cheers from --Dick (and Jill) Miller, Partners, MMS <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> Co-Leaders, FOSS User Group in Natick (NatickFOSS.org) <http://millermicro.com/FOSSUserGroupNatick.html> -- *| A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | | Mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com | 61 Lake Shore Road | | Web: http://www.millermicro.com/ | Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9AM-9PM -0400(EDT)| NMEA N 42.29993°, W 71.36558° |* Sent from an awesome, inexpensive, non-proprietary <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>, no-lock-in, no-bloatware, virus-resistant, free open-source software, /Linux/ <http://NatickFOSS.org/> PC - with /Ubuntu-Unity 22.04.1 LTS/ <https://ubuntuunity.org> and /Fotoxx 22.35/ <http://www.kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html> making the most of the tiny camera within a Samsung Galaxy A53 5G smartphone <https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-review-3149923/>. On 10/13/22 17:05, John Stoffel wrote: > See you there tonight, in person!

Oct. 13, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Tim Keller

I'll be there!! On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 5:06 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > See you there tonight, in person! > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 13, 2022

Re: !!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by John Stoffel

See you there tonight, in person!

Oct. 13, 2022

!!!! Reminder!!! Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Date/Time: Oct 13th 2022, 7PM-??PM Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 321) Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Speaker: Dick Miller Dick Miller is going to be speaking about Fotoxx! https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From the webpage: Navigate a large image collection using a thumbnail browser, click on an image to view or edit. A rich set of edit and retouch functions is available. Import RAW files and edit with deep color. Save revised images as JPEG, PNG (8/16 bits/color), or TIFF (8/16). Select an object or area within an image (freehand draw, follow edges, flood matching tones...), apply edit functions, copy and paste, resize, blend, warp, etc. without using layers. Edit functions have fast feedback using the full image or selected zoom-in area. Edit image metadata (tags, geotags, dates, ratings, captions...). Search images using any combination of metadata and file and folder names or partial names. Click a marker on a scalable world map to view all photos from that location. Batch functions are available to rename, add/revise metadata, copy/move, resize, convert format. Fotoxx uses your image files wherever they are and maintains a separate index for fast searching. Fotoxx is standards compliant and can be used with other photo programs (no lock-in). Fotoxx is easy to use but unconventional, so read the user guide (at least the first few pages) before jumping in. Fotoxx has deep functionality. Do not expect to master it in a few minutes. Along with the presentation, as usual expect the usual amount of banter about all things Linux/FOSS/etc. Definitely some talk about mdadm..which I'm sure will digress into a weird demo... Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to have dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. I hope to see you there! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 12, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> writes: > On Tue, 2022-10-11 at 21:06 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > > > > >> >> And once I actually checked the settings, I was able to tweak the >> keys >> to be more sane for my brain. Very cool. > My younger brother is left handed and found he needed to change the > controls as well. I do sometimes bring my arcade machine to > events. You are welcome to try it there. Joystick controls movement > and four of the buttons control direction of fire. That might explain it, I'm a lefty too.

Oct. 12, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by Dennis Payne

On Tue, 2022-10-11 at 21:06 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > > > > And once I actually checked the settings, I was able to tweak the > keys > to be more sane for my brain. Very cool. My younger brother is left handed and found he needed to change the controls as well. I do sometimes bring my arcade machine to events. You are welcome to try it there. Joystick controls movement and four of the buttons control direction of fire. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Oct. 12, 2022

Re: Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "kstratton---" == kstratton--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am looking googling mdadm for a raid 1 drive. In particular I am > making notes of how to mount a raid1 drive (for emergency recovery). > Is the expected location of the raid array at /dev/mdXX or > /dev/md/mdXX? Is it one of those two is historical or is it one of > those thing that just does not matter? So if you are talking about mirrored drives, you should be able to start the array with one drive missing. So you won't have any problems getting your data back, because it hasn't really gone away. If you look at the output of /proc/mdstat, you will see something like this (using one of my one RAID1 pairs as an example): $ cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [linear] [raid0] [raid1] [raid10] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [multipath] md0 : active raid1 sdj2[4] sdi2[3] 185545656 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] bitmap: 1/2 pages [4KB], 65536KB chunk So /dev/md0 has two disks, /dev/sdj2 and /dev/sji2. In the worst case, I could boot the system from a LiveCD and just do: mdadm -A -a auto to assemble automatically any arrays it finds. A good reference to all this is the Linux RAID Wiki at: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Linux_Raid but the big big big thing I want to stress is that you *never* run the 'mdadm --create ...' command when trying to recover a broken RAID array of any type unless you are absolutely certain you know what you are doing. DO NOT. Get help first. Post to the Linux RAID mailing list. But DO. NOT. try to create an array to recover it. It's almost certainly the wrong thing to do. I'd be happy to talk Linux RAID at the meeting, but as most of you know, I'm happy to talk period. See you thursday! John

Oct. 12, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> writes: >> On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 18:55 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >>> Thanks for doing this! I didn't even notice the kickstarter, but I >>> also admit I don't pay *any* attention to kickstarter at all really. >>> Maybe my loss? >> Kickstarter is horrible. It sucks me in all the time. :) >>> > https://gitlab.com/dulsi/mojotron >>> >>> Will try it out at some point. >> Let me know if you have any problems. > No problems, but man it's hard using the wasd keys to move and the > arrow keys to shoot! I do see some warnings when I compile on Linux > Mint 21.x, but it runs fine. And once I actually checked the settings, I was able to tweak the keys to be more sane for my brain. Very cool.

Oct. 12, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> writes: > On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 18:55 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> Thanks for doing this! I didn't even notice the kickstarter, but I >> also admit I don't pay *any* attention to kickstarter at all really. >> Maybe my loss? > Kickstarter is horrible. It sucks me in all the time. :) >> > https://gitlab.com/dulsi/mojotron >> >> Will try it out at some point. > Let me know if you have any problems. No problems, but man it's hard using the wasd keys to move and the arrow keys to shoot! I do see some warnings when I compile on Linux Mint 21.x, but it runs fine. Thanks. John

Oct. 11, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by Dennis Payne

On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 18:55 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > Thanks for doing this! I didn't even notice the kickstarter, but I > also admit I don't pay *any* attention to kickstarter at all really. > Maybe my loss? Kickstarter is horrible. It sucks me in all the time. :) > > https://gitlab.com/dulsi/mojotron > > Will try it out at some point. Let me know if you have any problems. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Oct. 11, 2022

Re: Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I will try to make it to the virtual location. It sound interesting. I am looking googling mdadm for a raid 1 drive. In particular I am making notes of how to mount a raid1 drive (for emergency recovery). Is the expected location of the raid array at /dev/mdXX or /dev/md/mdXX? Is it one of those two is historical or is it one of those thing that just does not matter? On Fri, Oct 7, 2022, at 12:54 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > Date/Time: Oct 13th 2022, 7PM-??PM > Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 321) > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Speaker: Dick Miller > > Dick Miller is going to be speaking about Fotoxx! > https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html > From the webpage: Navigate a large image collection using a thumbnail browser, click on an image to view or edit. A rich set of edit and retouch functions is available. Import RAW files and edit with deep color. Save revised images as JPEG, PNG (8/16 bits/color), or TIFF (8/16). Select an object or area within an image (freehand draw, follow edges, flood matching tones...), apply edit functions, copy and paste, resize, blend, warp, etc. without using layers. Edit functions have fast feedback using the full image or selected zoom-in area. Edit image metadata (tags, geotags, dates, ratings, captions...). Search images using any combination of metadata and file and folder names or partial names. Click a marker on a scalable world map to view all photos from that location. Batch functions are available to rename, add/revise metadata, copy/move, resize, convert format. Fotoxx uses your image files wherever they are and maintains a separate index for fast searching. Fotoxx is standards compliant and can be used with other photo programs (no lock-in). Fotoxx is easy to use but unconventional, so read the user guide (at least the first few pages) before jumping in. Fotoxx has deep functionality. Do not expect to master it in a few minutes. > > Along with the presentation, as usual expect the usual amount of banter about all things Linux/FOSS/etc. > > Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to have dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. > > I hope to see you there! > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MMMMO… > -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by John Stoffel

> Crowdfunding of Mojotron: Robot Wars didn't succeed. I've learned a > lot about running a kickstarter and think I could do better next > time. But just because funding failed doesn't mean the code should > be locked away. Thanks for doing this! I didn't even notice the kickstarter, but I also admit I don't pay *any* attention to kickstarter at all really. Maybe my loss? > https://gitlab.com/dulsi/mojotron Will try it out at some point. > Binaries are available for purchase from itch.io > https://dulsi.itch.io/mojotron-robot-wars > On Thu, 2022-07-28 at 17:58 -0400, Dennis Payne wrote: >> This video had a larger purpose behind it. I've been creating a >> kickstarter for Mojotron: Robot Wars. Kickstarter is a crowdfunding >> site. I've thought it could be useful for funding open source >> projects >> so I've finally gotten around to trying it. The project is not live >> yet >> but you can signup to be notified of it's launch. Current plan is to >> launch on Aug 6th. >> >> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/850526497/mojotron-robot-wars > -- > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WAEZV…

Oct. 9, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by Dennis Payne

Crowdfunding of Mojotron: Robot Wars didn't succeed. I've learned a lot about running a kickstarter and think I could do better next time. But just because funding failed doesn't mean the code should be locked away. https://gitlab.com/dulsi/mojotron Binaries are available for purchase from itch.io https://dulsi.itch.io/mojotron-robot-wars On Thu, 2022-07-28 at 17:58 -0400, Dennis Payne wrote: > This video had a larger purpose behind it. I've been creating a > kickstarter for Mojotron: Robot Wars. Kickstarter is a crowdfunding > site. I've thought it could be useful for funding open source > projects > so I've finally gotten around to trying it. The project is not live > yet > but you can signup to be notified of it's launch. Current plan is to > launch on Aug 6th. > > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/850526497/mojotron-robot-wars -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Oct. 9, 2022

Wlug Meeting Oct 13th @7PM: Topic: Fotoxx, Speaker: Dick Miller, Location: WPI Mid Century Room.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Date/Time: Oct 13th 2022, 7PM-??PM Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 321) Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Speaker: Dick Miller Dick Miller is going to be speaking about Fotoxx! https://kornelix.net/fotoxx/fotoxx.html From the webpage: Navigate a large image collection using a thumbnail browser, click on an image to view or edit. A rich set of edit and retouch functions is available. Import RAW files and edit with deep color. Save revised images as JPEG, PNG (8/16 bits/color), or TIFF (8/16). Select an object or area within an image (freehand draw, follow edges, flood matching tones...), apply edit functions, copy and paste, resize, blend, warp, etc. without using layers. Edit functions have fast feedback using the full image or selected zoom-in area. Edit image metadata (tags, geotags, dates, ratings, captions...). Search images using any combination of metadata and file and folder names or partial names. Click a marker on a scalable world map to view all photos from that location. Batch functions are available to rename, add/revise metadata, copy/move, resize, convert format. Fotoxx uses your image files wherever they are and maintains a separate index for fast searching. Fotoxx is standards compliant and can be used with other photo programs (no lock-in). Fotoxx is easy to use but unconventional, so read the user guide (at least the first few pages) before jumping in. Fotoxx has deep functionality. Do not expect to master it in a few minutes. Along with the presentation, as usual expect the usual amount of banter about all things Linux/FOSS/etc. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll head off to have dinner afterwards to continue the conversation. I hope to see you there! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 7, 2022

Re: Happy Birthday Linux!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Try setting your browser to "text only". On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 12:54 Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > "Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > >>Today in 1991 a college kid at the university of Helsinki went and > without > >> even realizing it changed the world. > > > > There seems to be some difference of opinion on the true "birth date", > but > > that just gives us three days to have a beer! > > > > https://linuxiac.com/linux-birthday/ > > Yow! What have they done to my internet! > > I tried to read that, but all I could see was > flashing rectangles of over-saturated colors. > > I'd better get a beer and calm down. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KQA66… >

Oct. 6, 2022

Re: Happy Birthday Linux!

by Keith Wright

"Jon \"maddog\" Hall via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>Today in 1991 a college kid at the university of Helsinki went and without >> even realizing it changed the world. > > There seems to be some difference of opinion on the true "birth date", but > that just gives us three days to have a beer! > > https://linuxiac.com/linux-birthday/ Yow! What have they done to my internet! I tried to read that, but all I could see was flashing rectangles of over-saturated colors. I'd better get a beer and calm down. -- Keith

Oct. 6, 2022

Re: Happy Birthday Linux!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>Today in 1991 a college kid at the university of Helsinki went and without even realizing it changed the world. There seems to be some difference of opinion on the true "birth date", but that just gives us three days to have a beer! https://linuxiac.com/linux-birthday/ md On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Today in 1991 a college kid at the university of Helsinki went and without > even realizing it changed the world. > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VXN62… >

Oct. 6, 2022

Happy Birthday Linux!

by Tim Keller

Today in 1991 a college kid at the university of Helsinki went and without even realizing it changed the world. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 5, 2022

Re: We've actually got a topic for next meeting!?!?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We're actually going to have someone speaking at our meeting! Great! > Dick Miller is going to come and show off his amazing photo > management software fotoxx. Very nice! > I'll be posting to FB and the meetup and I hope by hyping early I'll > get a strong showing. Thanks, Tim. So *where* are we meeting next week? What date and time? :-)

Sept. 30, 2022

We've actually got a topic for next meeting!?!?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We're actually going to have someone speaking at our meeting! Dick Miller is going to come and show off his amazing photo management software fotoxx. I'll be posting to FB and the meetup and I hope by hyping early I'll get a strong showing. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 27, 2022

Re: Meeting ideas

by Joel

Tim had the idea Wednesday to also ask Jon "maddog" Hall in to give a talk sometime likely about Linux or Open Source or whatever. I think that sounds like a good idea. He has been places and done things and his speeches are always thought provoking. I also like both the music ideas, the wifi speaker and the across the Internet personal music server. Joel On September 8, 2022 8:52:46 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > During the meeting we talked about the following future topics. > > 1. Greenbone vulnerability CVM scanner > 2. Open Source Music player > 3. FOSS Blue tooth / Wifi Speaker. > 4. NextCloud (talked about it a long time ago but things have changed) > > Please let me know of other ideas. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WVECS…

Sept. 10, 2022

Re: Meeting ideas

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

If you need any ideas on Open Source hardware I have a ton of stuff you can look at:Maker ShedReviews - The MagPi magazineThe whole shebang Al Butler On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 09:19:49 PM EDT, Eric Martin via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Sorry I missed it! If I can get some time I’d love to show off the Weather Station (Raspberry Pi / Weather Hat) my kids got me. At the moment it’s functioning as a refrigerator temp sensor due to issues I had a week or two ago… Eric > On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > During the meeting we talked about the following future topics. > > 1. Greenbone vulnerability CVM scanner > 2. Open Source Music player > 3. FOSS Blue tooth / Wifi Speaker. > 4. NextCloud (talked about it a long time ago but things have changed) > > Please let me know of other ideas. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WVECS… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FF76K…

Sept. 10, 2022

Re: Meeting ideas

by Eric Martin

Sorry I missed it! If I can get some time I’d love to show off the Weather Station (Raspberry Pi / Weather Hat) my kids got me. At the moment it’s functioning as a refrigerator temp sensor due to issues I had a week or two ago… Eric > On Sep 8, 2022, at 8:52 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > During the meeting we talked about the following future topics. > > 1. Greenbone vulnerability CVM scanner > 2. Open Source Music player > 3. FOSS Blue tooth / Wifi Speaker. > 4. NextCloud (talked about it a long time ago but things have changed) > > Please let me know of other ideas. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WVECS…

Sept. 9, 2022

Meeting ideas

by Tim Keller

During the meeting we talked about the following future topics. 1. Greenbone vulnerability CVM scanner 2. Open Source Music player 3. FOSS Blue tooth / Wifi Speaker. 4. NextCloud (talked about it a long time ago but things have changed) Please let me know of other ideas. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 9, 2022

Reminder! WLUG tonight!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang We've got a meeting tonight at 7pm! In fact I'm already in the Mid Century room! See you soon! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 8, 2022

Reminder: Meeting tomorrow Sept 8th 2022! Topic: TBD.. I've got some ideas!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7pm Date: Sept. 8th 2022 Physical Location: WPI Mid Century Room Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: I've got a couple of ideas! I saw a project to create an FOSS bluetooth speaker using a Pi 4! I've also seen people using pi's to create spotify streamers as well. This is of interest to me as my sonos gear is getting older, I'd like some open options. Beyond that I just know there will be interesting things people want to talk about, there always is! In other news in Oct. Dick Miller will be speaking at WLUG! I'd like to start thinking about what we'd like to talk about in Nov. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll head out to dinner afterwards! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 8, 2022

Hey Everybody! Next meeting September 8th! 7pm Tentatively the mid century room!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting on the 8th at 7pm! Frank is finalizing getting us the mid century room. Once things are solid I'll totally announce it. I'm working on lining up a speaker! If nothing comes of that I've got an idea as well! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 3, 2022

Re: Dell Inspiron Linux Install saga

by John Stoffel

Keith, You might be interested in kedenlive 22-08 has been released, with patches and updates and such. https://linuxiac.com/kdenlive-22-08-video-editor/ Have you gotten any tools working for you yet? John

Aug. 24, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 06:58:06PM -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:44:43 -0400 > > What time? ^M Pete ^M > > > > On 8/9/2022 10:45 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:^M > >> We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022^M > > A related question: Why such a long time? > > It looks like the same message was Received: > by host.mailman3.com on from 2 different servers > on 2 occasions about 4 days apart Mailing list members are moderated until they post for the first time since we introduced moderation a few years ago unless I recognized them at the time. This was done to reduce drive-by-spammers. I'm the only moderator.

Aug. 16, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Keith Wright

Pete Wason via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:44:43 -0400 > What time? ^M Pete ^M > > On 8/9/2022 10:45 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote:^M >> We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022^M A related question: Why such a long time? The hidden headers say: Received: from (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.2]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D861743C4F; Mon, 15 Aug 2022 22:14:34 +0000 (UTC) --- Received: from (sonic311-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.188.206]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE3AA1743B79 for <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Thu, 11 Aug 2022 03:44:53 +0000 (UTC) It looks like the same message was Received: by host.mailman3.com on from 2 different servers on 2 occasions about 4 days apart The --- contains no other Recieved: headers. Don't let them sell you any Artificial Intelligence until they can get the email to work. -- Keith PS: Nothing is my fault and it's not my problem.

Aug. 15, 2022

Re: Reminder meeting tonight at 7pm! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by John Stoffel

Do we have any presentation materials from the meeting? I'd love to learn more about how Althea solved this problem for their company. I missed the earlier part, so if there's anything I could look at... I'd be interested.

Aug. 13, 2022

Reminder meeting tonight at 7pm! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. Physical Location: Mid-Century Room at WPI! Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Speaker: Althea Shaheen The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As the web changes and the technologies underpinning complex websites grow and evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load balancers, database servers.. Now what if this website also needs to be scaled across cloud providers and on prem? What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How easily could you reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the entire process as code. I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. If you know people who'd like to speak, please let me know. YES, WE ARE MEETING AT WPI AGAIN!!! Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I will be attending virtually. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Tim Keller

Speaking with Frank, the room IS booked! IF people do show up there will be space. As stated before I was a close contact to someone with covid so I sadly won't be going. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:16 PM Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > OK, looking back I had 7-9p for last time and double-checking on > wlug.org that appears correct. > > Sorry - I should have just double-checked the website to begin with :P > > On 8/11/22 12:10, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: > > I didn't catch the time this happens at? (will be joining via Jitsi) > > > > Regards, > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KMP36… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LXWEF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

OK, looking back I had 7-9p for last time and double-checking on wlug.org that appears correct. Sorry - I should have just double-checked the website to begin with :P On 8/11/22 12:10, Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG wrote: > I didn't catch the time this happens at? (will be joining via Jitsi) > > Regards, > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KMP36…

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

I didn't catch the time this happens at? (will be joining via Jitsi) Regards, Chris

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by John Stoffel

Guys, I might make it, might not. Sorry, my kid is home from college and I'd like to spend some time with him. Of course if he ditches the family.... LOL!

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Pete Wason

What time? Pete On 8/9/2022 10:45 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 > Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. > Physical Location: Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI! > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA <https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA> > Speaker: Althea Shaheen > > The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As the web changes and the technologies underpinning > complex websites grow and evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load balancers, database servers.. Now > what if this website also needs to be scaled across cloud providers and on prem? > > What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How > easily could you reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? > > Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the entire process as code. > > I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. If you know people who'd like to speak, please let > me know. > > Yes, it's quite possible we'll be able to meet in our old haunt. When I know more, you'll know more! > > Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I > will be attending virtually. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/U573V…

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Chuck Anderson

I've confirmed that the meeting room is booked, so "Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI" means YES! We'll miss you Joel, but I hope to see many others of you there. On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 07:46:18PM -0400, Joel via WLUG wrote: > I am in Maine and might connect via Jitsi. > > No chance of in person for me this month. > > Joel > > > On August 10, 2022 6:59:37 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Who is planning on going to be in-person at WPI for this meeting? I > > will make the trek out if it is going to happen, but "Possibly" > > doesn't inspire confidence :-) > > > > On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 10:45:50PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > >> Hey Everybody, > >> > >> We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 > >> Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. > >> Physical Location: Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI! > >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > >> Speaker: Althea Shaheen > >> > >> The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As > >> the web changes and the technologies underpinning complex websites grow and > >> evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load > >> balancers, database servers.. Now what if this website also needs to be > >> scaled across cloud providers and on prem? > >> > >> What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a > >> bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How easily could you > >> reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? > >> > >> Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the > >> entire process as code. > >> > >> I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. > >> If you know people who'd like to speak, please let me know. > >> > >> Yes, it's quite possible we'll be able to meet in our old haunt. When I > >> know more, you'll know more! > >> > >> Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll > >> be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I will be attending > >> virtually. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim.

Aug. 11, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Joel

I am in Maine and might connect via Jitsi. No chance of in person for me this month. Joel On August 10, 2022 6:59:37 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Who is planning on going to be in-person at WPI for this meeting? I > will make the trek out if it is going to happen, but "Possibly" > doesn't inspire confidence :-) > > On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 10:45:50PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Hey Everybody, >> >> We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 >> Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. >> Physical Location: Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI! >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> Speaker: Althea Shaheen >> >> The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As >> the web changes and the technologies underpinning complex websites grow and >> evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load >> balancers, database servers.. Now what if this website also needs to be >> scaled across cloud providers and on prem? >> >> What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a >> bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How easily could you >> reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? >> >> Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the >> entire process as code. >> >> I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. >> If you know people who'd like to speak, please let me know. >> >> Yes, it's quite possible we'll be able to meet in our old haunt. When I >> know more, you'll know more! >> >> Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll >> be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I will be attending >> virtually. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XUOVI…

Aug. 10, 2022

Re: Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Chuck Anderson

Who is planning on going to be in-person at WPI for this meeting? I will make the trek out if it is going to happen, but "Possibly" doesn't inspire confidence :-) On Tue, Aug 09, 2022 at 10:45:50PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 > Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. > Physical Location: Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI! > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Speaker: Althea Shaheen > > The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As > the web changes and the technologies underpinning complex websites grow and > evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load > balancers, database servers.. Now what if this website also needs to be > scaled across cloud providers and on prem? > > What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a > bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How easily could you > reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? > > Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the > entire process as code. > > I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. > If you know people who'd like to speak, please let me know. > > Yes, it's quite possible we'll be able to meet in our old haunt. When I > know more, you'll know more! > > Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll > be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I will be attending > virtually. > > Thanks, > Tim.

Aug. 10, 2022

Meeting Thursday August 11th 2022! Topic: "Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting"

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday August 11th 2022 Topic: Infrastructure as Code website with free hosting. Physical Location: Possibly the Mid-Century Room at WPI! Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Speaker: Althea Shaheen The days of websites simply being static pages of HTML are behind us. As the web changes and the technologies underpinning complex websites grow and evolve, managing all this by hand becomes nearly impossible. Load balancers, database servers.. Now what if this website also needs to be scaled across cloud providers and on prem? What happens when your favorite cloud company whose data center is just a bunch of shipping containers burns to the ground? How easily could you reconstitute your website and all the underpinnings? Althea is going to speak to how they deploy their website and manages the entire process as code. I'd like to thank Chuck for facilitating getting Althea in contact with us. If you know people who'd like to speak, please let me know. Yes, it's quite possible we'll be able to meet in our old haunt. When I know more, you'll know more! Unfortunately as I've been in close contact with someone with covid, I'll be unable to make it physically to the meeting, but I will be attending virtually. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2022

Re: Dell Inspiron Linux Install saga

by John Stoffel

Keith, Just a heads up, but editing Video is a very memory and cpu hungry task. I've tried it on and off for years on my Linux systems using various tools and it was always a chore. I've tried 'openshot' in the past, and in the way way past I tried 'cinelerra', but it was pretty bad then. I think I tried 'kedenlive' as well. But I'm honestly not a good video editor and it was frustrating on an under-powered system. But these days might be better, especially if you are using a more bleeding edge linux distro like Fedora or Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Try looking at this page and see what you can get installed that's newer. https://filmora.wondershare.com/video-editor/free-linux-video-editor.html John

Aug. 10, 2022

Re: Dell Inspiron Linux Install saga

by Dennis Payne

On Thu, 2022-08-04 at 01:01 -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > > The source code for my update has not been released yet. > > Does that mean it _will_ be released? Sorry about forgetting to mention that. The code is GPL. > Does it run on Linux? Yes. > I don't need to make a video, but I could use a simple > light-weight program to cut and splice *.mpg or *.wmv > files, like what used to be done with a jig, razor, > and sticky tape. > > Any recomendations? Pitivi can certainly do that. It's probably easier with a command line tool. Pitivi gives you a timeline with multiple layers. So you can do more complicated editing than just combining two videos. For example for the kickstarter video I have a section with me talking while Robotron: 2084 from the Atari 7800 is running in a section of the screen. Now that it doesn't crash every few seconds it is a great tool. > You can read about my most recent Linux project at: > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/dumpster.html > > Scroll down to see the latest news. > I am trying to install Linux on a recycled Dell laptop. Part of the reason I started updating Mojotron was to run on a home built arcade machine which uses an old computer. Probably the only arcade machine in the world running only open source games. (I recently picked up a free monitor and TV thinking maybe I can build another one.) > -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Aug. 4, 2022

Dell Inspiron Linux Install saga

by Keith Wright

BCC:DAKA Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Mojotron is a twin stick shooter similar to Robotron: 2084 or Llamatron. I do not know what is a twin stick shooter, nor any of those capitalized names. NB: When I say I don't know, it does not imply that I want to know. If you try to explain it to me, I will explain to you the importance of distinguishing (extensional) identity judgements from from (intensional) equality propositions in a type-theoretic formal semantics of hygienic macro expansion. > I've been redoing the graphics and fixing up the game. Good on you! Party on dude! > The source code for my update has not been released yet. Does that mean it _will_ be released? > I decided to make a trailer to promote the game. > I used Pitivi to create this and another video. I don't know what that is, either. Does it run on Linux? I don't need to make a video, but I could use a simple light-weight program to cut and splice *.mpg or *.wmv files, like what used to be done with a jig, razor, and sticky tape. Any recomendations? Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This video had a larger purpose behind it. I've been wondering about that. Why is this on a Linux mailing list? > I've been creating a kickstarter for Mojotron: Robot Wars. > Kickstarter is a crowdfunding site. > I've thought it could be useful for funding open source projects OK. You said "open source". Why didn't you say that first? I thought it might be just scatter-shot marketing. It's a WLUG relevant project. Does it run on Linux? You can read about my most recent Linux project at: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/dumpster.html Scroll down to see the latest news. I am trying to install Linux on a recycled Dell laptop. If I can make a good how-to story maybe Debian will put it on their DebianOn page: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell "DebianOn is an effort to document how to install, configure and use Debian on some specific hardware. Therefore potential buyers would know if that hardware is supported and owners would know how get the best out of that hardware." "The purpose is not to duplicate the Debian Official Documentation, but to document how to install Debian on some specific hardware." Questions? Comments? Editorial suggestions? Software instructions? -- Keith

Aug. 4, 2022

Re: [EXT] Simple IP KVM

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jr" == Jr via WLUG Butler <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Jr> Maybe RPi is ready for you: Jr> Raspberry Pi based Pi-KVM goes to Kickstarter I think this is very much the same thing as I pointed out. But I wouldn't mind building my own from a kit. The big part right now is getting a RPi for a good price, they're scarce right now! Jr> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:06:59 PM EDT, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "Nicholas" == Nicholas via WLUG Krichevsky <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Jr> The tinypilot looks to be based on this design, but with a more Jr> professional support. Not sure I can justify $300+ for a device I Jr> won't use too often, though it *is* tempting. But for now I just have Jr> a keyboard plugged in my server and I hook up the VGA when I need it, Jr> which isn't often. Jr> If only RPi4s were available, I'd do my own hacky solution. Nicholas> I have not, but have you heard of tinypilot? A bit cheaper and I've heard good things. Nicholas> https://tinypilotkvm.com/blog/build-a-kvm-over-ip-under-100 Nicholas> Get Outlook for Android Nicholas> Jr> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas> From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:34:36 PM Nicholas> To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Cc: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Nicholas> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Simple IP KVM Nicholas> Has anyone used or built one of these? Nicholas> Jr> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co… Nicholas> It looks really interesting way to get a reasonably cheap IP KVM for Nicholas> home use. Though with the pain of getting RPi4s these days... it's Nicholas> going to take me a while to actually build one. Nicholas> Not sure if I wnat to spend $160 for the HAT though... the slightly Nicholas> flaky USB dongle so I can see my home server screen when needed it's Nicholas> probably more than enough. Nicholas> John Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: Nicholas> Jr> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Change Settings: Nicholas> Jr> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: Nicholas> Jr> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Nicholas> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: Jr> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DBSQ6… Jr> _______________________________________________ Jr> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Jr> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Jr> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Jr> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Jr> Web Forum/Archive: Jr> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MF2BY… Jr> _______________________________________________ Jr> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Jr> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Jr> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Jr> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Jr> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MLWYY…

Aug. 1, 2022

Re: [EXT] Simple IP KVM

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Maybe RPi is ready for you:Raspberry Pi based Pi-KVM goes to Kickstarter On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 12:06:59 PM EDT, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "Nicholas" == Nicholas via WLUG Krichevsky <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: The tinypilot looks to be based on this design, but with a more professional support. Not sure I can justify $300+ for a device I won't use too often, though it *is* tempting. But for now I just have a keyboard plugged in my server and I hook up the VGA when I need it, which isn't often. If only RPi4s were available, I'd do my own hacky solution. Nicholas> I have not, but have you heard of tinypilot? A bit cheaper and I've heard good things. Nicholas> https://tinypilotkvm.com/blog/build-a-kvm-over-ip-under-100 Nicholas> Get Outlook for Android Nicholas> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas> From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:34:36 PM Nicholas> To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Cc: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Nicholas> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Simple IP KVM Nicholas> Has anyone used or built one of these? Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co… Nicholas> It looks really interesting way to get a reasonably cheap IP KVM for Nicholas> home use. Though with the pain of getting RPi4s these days... it's Nicholas> going to take me a while to actually build one. Nicholas> Not sure if I wnat to spend $160 for the HAT though... the slightly Nicholas> flaky USB dongle so I can see my home server screen when needed it's Nicholas> probably more than enough. Nicholas> John Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Change Settings: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Nicholas> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DBSQ6… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MF2BY…

Aug. 1, 2022

Free Dell PowerSwitch 5324

by John Stoffel

Guys, I've got a free Dell PowerSwitch 5324, it's 24 1gb ports and I replaced the loud fans with some quieter ones, but now the fan error light is always on. Is anyone interested in this? It works great, it's just old and I wanted to move to all TP-Link at home to manage it all with Omada. Sorta good idea... Anyway, let me know, otherwise I'm going to scrap it tuesday morning. https://www.manualslib.com/manual/419219/Dell-Powerconnect-5324.html https://wiki.hackspherelabs.com/index.php?title=Dell_Powerconnect_5324 https://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/2011/05/dell-powerconnect-5324-setup-task… https://thejimmahknows.com/inter-vlan-routing-with-linux-powerconnect-5324/ https://www.virtualizationhowto.com/2015/07/dell-nseries-switch-basic-confi…

July 31, 2022

Re: [EXT] Simple IP KVM

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Nicholas" == Nicholas via WLUG Krichevsky <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: The tinypilot looks to be based on this design, but with a more professional support. Not sure I can justify $300+ for a device I won't use too often, though it *is* tempting. But for now I just have a keyboard plugged in my server and I hook up the VGA when I need it, which isn't often. If only RPi4s were available, I'd do my own hacky solution. Nicholas> I have not, but have you heard of tinypilot? A bit cheaper and I've heard good things. Nicholas> https://tinypilotkvm.com/blog/build-a-kvm-over-ip-under-100 Nicholas> Get Outlook for Android Nicholas> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas> From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:34:36 PM Nicholas> To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Nicholas> Cc: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Nicholas> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Simple IP KVM Nicholas> Has anyone used or built one of these? Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co… Nicholas> It looks really interesting way to get a reasonably cheap IP KVM for Nicholas> home use. Though with the pain of getting RPi4s these days... it's Nicholas> going to take me a while to actually build one. Nicholas> Not sure if I wnat to spend $160 for the HAT though... the slightly Nicholas> flaky USB dongle so I can see my home server screen when needed it's Nicholas> probably more than enough. Nicholas> John Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Change Settings: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: Nicholas> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Nicholas> _______________________________________________ Nicholas> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Nicholas> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Nicholas> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Nicholas> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DBSQ6…

July 31, 2022

Re: [EXT] Simple IP KVM

by Krichevsky, Nicholas

I have not, but have you heard of tinypilot? A bit cheaper and I've heard good things. https://tinypilotkvm.com/blog/build-a-kvm-over-ip-under-100 Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> ________________________________ From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 5:34:36 PM To: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Simple IP KVM Has anyone used or built one of these? https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.co… It looks really interesting way to get a reasonably cheap IP KVM for home use. Though with the pain of getting RPi4s these days... it's going to take me a while to actually build one. Not sure if I wnat to spend $160 for the HAT though... the slightly flaky USB dongle so I can see my home server screen when needed it's probably more than enough. John _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Change Settings: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail… Web Forum/Archive: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…

July 30, 2022

Re: Mojotron: Robot Wars

by Dennis Payne

This video had a larger purpose behind it. I've been creating a kickstarter for Mojotron: Robot Wars. Kickstarter is a crowdfunding site. I've thought it could be useful for funding open source projects so I've finally gotten around to trying it. The project is not live yet but you can signup to be notified of it's launch. Current plan is to launch on Aug 6th. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/850526497/mojotron-robot-wars On Sat, 2022-07-23 at 12:13 -0400, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > Mojotron is a twin stick shooter similar to Robotron: 2084 or > Llamatron. I've been redoing the graphics and fixing up the game. I > decided to make a trailer to promote the game. The source code for my > update has not been released yet. > > https://youtu.be/LBEphj6g04c > > I used Pitivi to create this and another video. The program has > gotten > a lot better. I no longer have to save after each change because of > how > often it used to crash. > -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

July 28, 2022

Simple IP KVM

by John Stoffel

Has anyone used or built one of these? https://github.com/pikvm/pikvm/ It looks really interesting way to get a reasonably cheap IP KVM for home use. Though with the pain of getting RPi4s these days... it's going to take me a while to actually build one. Not sure if I wnat to spend $160 for the HAT though... the slightly flaky USB dongle so I can see my home server screen when needed it's probably more than enough. John

July 28, 2022

Re: Fiber internet options in Worcester

by John Stoffel

Joshua> My wife and I have been on the market for a home, and we feel Joshua> that Worcester would be a great city for us to move Joshua> to. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Worcester has much if Joshua> any options for fiber internet which is important for both of Joshua> us working from home. The fastest provider appears to be Joshua> Spectrum, and I've heard only bad things about them. Joshua> Last I heard, Worcester has been held down by a monopoly from Joshua> Spectrum, and I don't know if the city government has been Joshua> working to change this with municipal fiber or trying to get Joshua> other ISPs in the area to improve competition. It seems like Joshua> the kind of issue that network engineers from WPI could assist Joshua> with. I'm in Boylston and we have a mix of Fios on some streets, and Spectrum for the rest of the town. I'm on spectrum and it's been quite reliable for 23 years now, with only a few outages. Cost... that's another issue. The only town in the area with it's own Internet is Shrewsbury, but I don't know how fast it is. I don't think it's fibre to the house though. You're going to have to ask carefully if the current owner has Fios or not. But with my wife and I working from home and the kids also at home a couple of years ago, I didn't run into any problems with Charter's up speed generally. Good luck in the search! Tatnuck is a great area, as is the Salisbury or Greendale areas, though you have to be careful where you pick to live. Schools are a concern... not sure if you have kids or not. John

July 26, 2022

Re: Fiber internet options in Worcester

by Clint Moyer

July 25, 2022

Re: Fiber internet options in Worcester

by Eric Martin

When I lived in Worcester, the nodes were always super saturated so you never got the speed you wanted. While there is a contract with Spectrum, I also heard if Verizon offers fiber they have to for the entire city and the multi unit houses are costly to bring a connection into if only a few people want it. This leads to a “doesn’t make financial sense for us (Verizon) to do it so we won’t”. I live in Northborough (20 min east of Worcester) and have the choice of fiber or spectrum and have fiber. We just upgraded to 1000mbps and it’s great since I’m on Zoom calls all day long while the kids are doing other stuff. At the brewery we have spectrum business and it’s passable. It’s fast when it works though goes out 1/month. My $0.02 Eric > On Jul 24, 2022, at 19:46, Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Unsure of any towns in the Worcester area offering fiber for Internet. > > I have Spectrum the past 10+ years in Charlton and they are pretty o.k. for service based on price. I have their basic tier of speed. > > Eight years ago their Charter DNS servers would all fail more than once a month. Easily solved by pointing router somewhere else for primary DNS lookup. > > They mostly provide the 200mbps down and 20mbps up they claim. Price is reasonable at around $50 a month. > > I like them much better for Internet than I do for cable or wired telephone. > > Have heard bad things about their cell phone service too (service and billing messes). It think they resell / share on the Verizon cell network. > > Joel > > > > > >> On July 24, 2022 4:57:57 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> My wife and I have been on the market for a home, and we feel that Worcester would be a great city for us to move to. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Worcester has much if any options for fiber internet which is important for both of us working from home. The fastest provider appears to be Spectrum, and I've heard only bad things about them. >> >> Last I heard, Worcester has been held down by a monopoly from Spectrum, and I don't know if the city government has been working to change this with municipal fiber or trying to get other ISPs in the area to improve competition. It seems like the kind of issue that network engineers from WPI could assist with. >> >> Anyone have more information on this? >> >> - Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Y5ACZ… >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6BD4A…

July 25, 2022

Re: Fiber internet options in Worcester

by Joel

Unsure of any towns in the Worcester area offering fiber for Internet. I have Spectrum the past 10+ years in Charlton and they are pretty o.k. for service based on price. I have their basic tier of speed. Eight years ago their Charter DNS servers would all fail more than once a month. Easily solved by pointing router somewhere else for primary DNS lookup. They mostly provide the 200mbps down and 20mbps up they claim. Price is reasonable at around $50 a month. I like them much better for Internet than I do for cable or wired telephone. Have heard bad things about their cell phone service too (service and billing messes). It think they resell / share on the Verizon cell network. Joel On July 24, 2022 4:57:57 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > > My wife and I have been on the market for a home, and we feel that Worcester would be a great city for us to move to. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Worcester has much if any options for fiber internet which is important for both of us working from home. The fastest provider appears to be Spectrum, and I've heard only bad things about them. > > Last I heard, Worcester has been held down by a monopoly from Spectrum, and I don't know if the city government has been working to change this with municipal fiber or trying to get other ISPs in the area to improve competition. It seems like the kind of issue that network engineers from WPI could assist with. > > Anyone have more information on this? > > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Y5ACZ…

July 24, 2022

Fiber internet options in Worcester

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, My wife and I have been on the market for a home, and we feel that Worcester would be a great city for us to move to. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Worcester has much if any options for fiber internet which is important for both of us working from home. The fastest provider appears to be Spectrum, and I've heard only bad things about them. Last I heard, Worcester has been held down by a monopoly from Spectrum, and I don't know if the city government has been working to change this with municipal fiber or trying to get other ISPs in the area to improve competition. It seems like the kind of issue that network engineers from WPI could assist with. Anyone have more information on this? - Josh

July 24, 2022

Re: Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chris" == Chris (wolcen) Thompson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Chris> Great to see you all in the last meeting :-) I was the Chris> skateboarder...who caught me almost falling shortly before I Chris> left? LOL It was good to meet you, hopefully face to face sometime. And I hope you're all staying cool today, it's been a scorcher! Chris> [Insert name I've forgotten here (sorry!)] mentioned that their Chris> users connect to a remote session's root desktop (or whatever Chris> you call the initial/primary display :0 deal that you Chris> initially/locally get). Chris> I would like to do this as well. SSH with port forwarding is Chris> probably my preference, but wireguard would be OK as well. I Chris> don't think I want to directly expose anything like xrdp. Chris> Anyway - could you please refresh my memory as to what was Chris> being used? I'm running i3 in this case (started via Chris> lightdm). I generally have not loved using VNC-based tools, but Chris> if that's what is currently recommended, I guess I'll give it Chris> another go. For a long time I was using NX (or FreeNX) on my work desktop so I could connect between a windows box and a linux desktop using Synergy to map the keyboard/mouse between systems as I moved the mouse between my desktops. That was using the 'nomachine.com' software, though I used the freenx stuff. But after a while it got to be too painful, and now that I mostly work on a windows laptop for work (due to the work VPN requirements) I don't tend to do anything beyond lots of putty sessions in which I run screen. I've tried MobaXterm, but never really liked it, even though it does offer native X display, so you can fire up remote graphical tools. This would work better if I wasnt' 80-100 miliseconds of lag (basically across the entire US) distant from the remote systems I manage and work on. Much as I hate to say it, I've sometimes just fallen back to VNC when I need to fire up a web browser to download a 5-10gb ISO image to do a system install. Chris> ------------ Chris> SSHFS Optimization Chris> Also - I referred to using sshfs internally for myself to my NAS, and Chris> some optimizations for it. This is my current alias to mount it: Chris> sshfs -o cache=yes -o kernel_cache -o Ciphers=aes128-ctr -o Chris> Compression=no -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -o ServerAliveInterval=15 -o Chris> reconnect -C -o idmap=user server: /mymountpoint Chris> I got a few of the recommended switches from this article that finally Chris> convinced me to just forget about NFS: Chris> https://blog.ja-ke.tech/2019/08/27/nas-performance-sshfs-nfs-smb.html This is a great set of info, because I too have used sshfs at times but cursed to slow speed. I'll definitely try this out. It would be nice if the windows client also supported these options as well at times. Cheers! Joohn

July 24, 2022

Mojotron: Robot Wars

by Dennis Payne

Mojotron is a twin stick shooter similar to Robotron: 2084 or Llamatron. I've been redoing the graphics and fixing up the game. I decided to make a trailer to promote the game. The source code for my update has not been released yet. https://youtu.be/LBEphj6g04c I used Pitivi to create this and another video. The program has gotten a lot better. I no longer have to save after each change because of how often it used to crash. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

July 23, 2022

Last meeting mention of connecting to DISPLAY :0

by Chris (wolcen) Thompson

Hi all, Great to see you all in the last meeting :-) I was the skateboarder...who caught me almost falling shortly before I left? LOL ----------- Remote X [Insert name I've forgotten here (sorry!)] mentioned that their users connect to a remote session's root desktop (or whatever you call the initial/primary display :0 deal that you initially/locally get). I would like to do this as well. SSH with port forwarding is probably my preference, but wireguard would be OK as well. I don't think I want to directly expose anything like xrdp. Anyway - could you please refresh my memory as to what was being used? I'm running i3 in this case (started via lightdm). I generally have not loved using VNC-based tools, but if that's what is currently recommended, I guess I'll give it another go. ------------ SSHFS Optimization Also - I referred to using sshfs internally for myself to my NAS, and some optimizations for it. This is my current alias to mount it: sshfs -o cache=yes -o kernel_cache -o Ciphers=aes128-ctr -o Compression=no -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -o ServerAliveInterval=15 -o reconnect -C -o idmap=user server: /mymountpoint I got a few of the recommended switches from this article that finally convinced me to just forget about NFS: https://blog.ja-ke.tech/2019/08/27/nas-performance-sshfs-nfs-smb.html Thanks! Chris PS - I used to respond here from an account that was at from a riseup.net account. I have since moved to mailbox.org so it at least 'comes from' wolcen.com...I hate/am terrible at managing email servers. Anyway: all those responses/posts therefore were moderated. I'm not sure ANY of those ever made it though, so I was curious if anyone does any checks on moderated messages?

July 18, 2022

Re: Free lab bench

by John Stoffel

Bench is gone Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2022, at 10:36 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Oh yeah, you can reach me at 508-736_5499 if interested. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 16, 2022, at 10:20 AM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> Hi guys, >> Looking to get rid of an 8’l by 30” deep by 36” high lab bench. See pictures. You will have to come get it but I will help take it apart to fit in/on your vehicle. Could be convinced to deliver if you come and help load it on my car. >> >> It’s totally free! >> >> <image0.jpeg> >>

July 16, 2022

Re: Free lab bench

by John Stoffel

Oh yeah, you can reach me at 508-736_5499 if interested. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2022, at 10:20 AM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hi guys, > Looking to get rid of an 8’l by 30” deep by 36” high lab bench. See pictures. You will have to come get it but I will help take it apart to fit in/on your vehicle. Could be convinced to deliver if you come and help load it on my car. > > It’s totally free! > > <image0.jpeg> >

July 16, 2022

Free lab bench

by John Stoffel

Hi guys, Looking to get rid of an 8’l by 30” deep by 36” high lab bench. See pictures. You will have to come get it but I will help take it apart to fit in/on your vehicle. Could be convinced to deliver if you come and help load it on my car. It’s totally free!

July 16, 2022

Re: [EXT] Who was that guy?

by Gelman, Ian

Sultan Jilani! Absolute legend Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Richard Klein via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:07:15 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Who was that guy? They're looking to hire a mechanical engineer where I work, and talking about how a lot of the best candidates have been from WPI. That got me thinking about one guy who'd been at several meetings, and graduated maybe 2 years ago, though I don't think he was an engineering major. He had a legendary appetite and I think he moved to Nashua. I'm pretty sure his name had 2 syllables and started with 'S'. I keep thinking "Salman", but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Who was that guy? -- Rich

July 14, 2022

Who was that guy?

by Richard Klein

They're looking to hire a mechanical engineer where I work, and talking about how a lot of the best candidates have been from WPI. That got me thinking about one guy who'd been at several meetings, and graduated maybe 2 years ago, though I don't think he was an engineering major. He had a legendary appetite and I think he moved to Nashua. I'm pretty sure his name had 2 syllables and started with 'S'. I keep thinking "Salman", but I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Who was that guy? -- Rich

July 14, 2022

Re: July WLUG Meeting will be online tonight @7pm

by Chuck Anderson

Suggested topic of discussion: https://comsec.ethz.ch/research/microarch/retbleed/ Retbleed: Arbitrary Speculative Code Execution with Return Instructions Retbleed (CVE-2022-29900 and CVE-2022-29901) is the new addition to the family of speculative execution attacks that exploit branch target injection to leak information, which we call Spectre-BTI. Unlike its siblings, who trigger harmful branch target speculation by exploiting indirect jumps or calls, Retbleed exploits return instructions. This means a great deal, since it undermines some of our current Spectre-BTI defenses. On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 12:15:19PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > I'd like to start by apologizing. There's been some illness and other stuff > going on and I've focused a bit less on WLUG than I'd like. Thankfully > things are getting sorted out at my end and I will be focusing much more on > WLUG. > > Tonight the meeting is going to be online. With the late announcement > combined with only myself and John in person, it makes more sense to just > have it online for this month. I plan on reaching out to the WPI people and > seeing about doing in person meetings there for August hopefully. I'd also > like to have a WLUG bbq at some point as well. > > We'll have our meeting at the same time and same place and like usual, it's > going to be awesome. > Jitsi: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Time: 7pm > > Later, > Tim.

July 14, 2022

Re: Test

by Michael Voorhis

Hey, I didn't receive your test. Could you resend? On 7/14/22 12:33, dglaser glaserresearch.net via WLUG wrote: > Testing my email. Sorry for the intrusion.

July 14, 2022

Re: Test

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "dglaser" == dglaser glaserresearch net via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: dglaser> Testing my email. dglaser> Sorry for the intrusion. The nerve of some people! :-)

July 14, 2022

Test

by dglaser glaserresearch.net

July 14, 2022

July WLUG Meeting will be online tonight @7pm

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I'd like to start by apologizing. There's been some illness and other stuff going on and I've focused a bit less on WLUG than I'd like. Thankfully things are getting sorted out at my end and I will be focusing much more on WLUG. Tonight the meeting is going to be online. With the late announcement combined with only myself and John in person, it makes more sense to just have it online for this month. I plan on reaching out to the WPI people and seeing about doing in person meetings there for August hopefully. I'd also like to have a WLUG bbq at some point as well. We'll have our meeting at the same time and same place and like usual, it's going to be awesome. Jitsi: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Time: 7pm Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 14, 2022

Re: WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by Robert N. Evans

I am remote and hopefully can be on Jitsi for some of the meeting. Bob Evans -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Jul 13, 2022 6:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library! Hey Gang, We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it online since I'm a bit late in sending out the notice. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2YFCW…

July 14, 2022

Re: WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "hammerron" == hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I can make the meeting tonight, since I just got back from Vacation, but it looks like just two of us would meet in person? Not sure... hammerron> Sadly, I will not. The location is a bit harder for me hammerron> than the Worcester one was. hammerron> On 7/13/22 18:14, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: hammerron> Hey Gang, hammerron> We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! hammerron> As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it online since I'm a bit hammerron> late in sending out the notice. hammerron> Thanks, hammerron> Tim. hammerron> -- hammerron> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as hammerron> "consumers". hammerron> _______________________________________________ hammerron> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org hammerron> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org hammerron> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ hammerron> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ hammerron> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2YFCW… hammerron> _______________________________________________ hammerron> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org hammerron> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org hammerron> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ hammerron> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ hammerron> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4KEQE…

July 14, 2022

Re: WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by hammerron

Sadly, I will not. The location is a bit harder for me than the Worcester one was. Ron On 7/13/22 18:14, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! > > As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it > online since I'm a bit late in sending out the notice. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

July 14, 2022

Re: WLUG Meeting July 14th at the Hudson Public Library!

by Tim Keller

Keith, No matter what happens, the jitsi link will be up. I'm psyched you opted for the cyborg eyes though! Don't forget to apply security patches to your eyes! Tim. On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 11:40 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > We've got a meeting tomorrow night at the Hudson Public Library! > > > > As a quick show of hands, who'll be coming out? I'm debating doing it > > online since I'm a bit late in sending out the notice. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > Who are you debating? > > I missed the last meeting because, as I said two months ago, > I had eye surgery. I was feeling slow and sour. > > I am not going to Hudson, but I plan to > <a href="https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA"> click here at 7pm, </a> > unless the debate club votes against it. > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QBUE6… >

July 14, 2022