- WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Meeting Ideas...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Now that is a great idea for a meeting (says he who has an IPAQ)! Anyone else think installing Linux on an iPAQ would be interesting? >This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's been a >long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i installed >linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > >

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Question on making a CD from a VHS...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: >>I'm looking to take the music from a VHS tape and produce a CD for my >>wife for Christmas. >> >> > >Hook the RCA stereo outputs up to the line in jack on your sound card (or >motherboard). You'll need a male stereo RCA to male stereo mini (1/8" I >think) adapter (can get from Radio Shack, etc). Then set up to record from >line in. Someone can help you with the SW from there--shouldn't be too >hard. Once you get it on your HDD you can do whatever with it: burn to CD, >make a MP3/Ogg Vorbis compressed version, etc. > It is the software / system I'm looking for information on., specifically on Linux... Also, making a copy on DVD so when the tape finally dies, I have a nackup...

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Stephen C. Daukas

The Brick Yard has 11 receptacles (24 plugs), spaced about every 8 feet (give or take). It also has a six-outlet RJ box (I have a few hubs if we need them, and I'm sure I can get more or others could bring their own for the event). The Library has multiple outlets and RJ-45s (for PCs and Student Laptops), although not all of these jaks seem to work. With that many plugs, and RJs, we should be in good shape for the number of PCs I have seen involved in past fests... If the number of PCs show up as have in the past, the Library would easily accomodatet the event. If we get a whole bunch more, then the Brick Yard is the spot. Either or both - doesn't matter. Steve Haines, Charles Allen wrote: >Have you made sure that there will be enough power to accomodate this many computers. I've had to deal with this problem many times before and I know that both the Odeum and Riley Commons can support up to 50 computers. Once we decide on a location, I'll speak with NetOps about internet access. > >

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by Wes Allen

Yeah, I've figured out the boot-loader part....but I haven't been daring enough to try it out. I was thinking about starting the process tonight, but I couldn't get my win4lin installation to tell that I have a serial port on my computer, and so I couldn't install the boot-loader. And since I can't get synce to work right, I was kinda stuck..... I can't wait until I get rid of pocketPC2002..... activesync is just a pain in the neck. Wes On Monday 09 December 2002 5:35 pm, brad wrote: > On Monday 09 December 2002 03:13 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > > Thanks, > > Only now I can't connect to my computer again with synce. Screw it, > > I've got my data backed up. linux here I come...... Where do I stop the > > install process and put qtopia on instead of X (and is qtopia in ipkg > > format anywhere?). > > The install is in phases. Though i believe there are some packages will > combine the root and the graphics (that would combine steps 2 and 3 below). > > 1st - you'll need to install a boot loader so you can boot into linux (this > is the only dangerous part). > > 2nd - you'll need to install the base linux system, or the root (you'll > probably want the familiar distro). You do this through the boot loader. > > 3nd - at this point you'll have linux installed but no graphics. You want > to make sure you can connect you're ipaq to the internet so it can download > packages. Choose which graphics package you want, X, GPE, Qtopia, or OPIE, > and install it. > > All the graphics packages are a set of packages, so you can install the > packages you will find useful. I would suggest OPIE, since that's what i > use, and that seems to be the most featureful and mature of them all. > > This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's been > a long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i > installed linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > > --brad > > > Wes > > > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 10:30 pm, brad wrote: > > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > > > > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > > > > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it > > > > and opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > > > > > Nice. > > > > > > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > > > > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > > > > addressbook data in? > > > > > > I believe that the address book, is something that only outlook can > > > read. I had a hard time trying to figure this one out to when i > > > switched from WinCE to linux. What i did was found a machine with > > > outlook and sync-ed to that. Opened up outlook and exported the address > > > book in csv format. Then i could actually read the data. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > --brad > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by brad

On Monday 09 December 2002 03:13 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Thanks, > Only now I can't connect to my computer again with synce. Screw it, I've > got my data backed up. linux here I come...... Where do I stop the > install process and put qtopia on instead of X (and is qtopia in ipkg > format anywhere?). The install is in phases. Though i believe there are some packages will combine the root and the graphics (that would combine steps 2 and 3 below). 1st - you'll need to install a boot loader so you can boot into linux (this is the only dangerous part). 2nd - you'll need to install the base linux system, or the root (you'll probably want the familiar distro). You do this through the boot loader. 3nd - at this point you'll have linux installed but no graphics. You want to make sure you can connect you're ipaq to the internet so it can download packages. Choose which graphics package you want, X, GPE, Qtopia, or OPIE, and install it. All the graphics packages are a set of packages, so you can install the packages you will find useful. I would suggest OPIE, since that's what i use, and that seems to be the most featureful and mature of them all. This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's been a long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i installed linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). --brad > > Wes > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 10:30 pm, brad wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > > > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > > > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > > > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > > > Nice. > > > > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > > > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > > > addressbook data in? > > > > I believe that the address book, is something that only outlook can read. > > I had a hard time trying to figure this one out to when i switched from > > WinCE to linux. What i did was found a machine with outlook and sync-ed > > to that. Opened up outlook and exported the address book in csv format. > > Then i could actually read the data. > > > > Cheers, > > --brad > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by Wes Allen

Thanks, Only now I can't connect to my computer again with synce. Screw it, I've got my data backed up. linux here I come...... Where do I stop the install process and put qtopia on instead of X (and is qtopia in ipkg format anywhere?). Wes On Wednesday 04 December 2002 10:30 pm, brad wrote: > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > Nice. > > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > > addressbook data in? > > I believe that the address book, is something that only outlook can read. I > had a hard time trying to figure this one out to when i switched from WinCE > to linux. What i did was found a machine with outlook and sync-ed to that. > Opened up outlook and exported the address book in csv format. Then i could > actually read the data. > > Cheers, > --brad > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 9, 2002

Lanparty game

by Marc Hughes

Just saw this... http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1209.barr2.html And with all that talk about a lan party, a pure open source game sounds like a good idea :) Quick Summary: Zlib license 3d first person shooter called Cube available for windows & linux SDL opengl -Marc

Dec. 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Wes Allen

I vote for Kohan (the Loki port, not the transgaming thing....though I must confess I'll likely get the expansion version from them...). Wes On Monday 09 December 2002 7:35 am, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I have a couple of ideas... > > The first one that comes to mind, regarding location, is to hold it at > the Mass Academy of Math & Science at WPI, which is of course a part of > WPI, and is loacted at 85 Prescott St. This is where WPI's campus > expansion (gateway park) will be happening over the next N years. As is > so happens, I'm a faculty member at the Academy (Computer Science) and > have already secured permission to use the entire facility, if need be, > for WLUG acitivity. > > There is one large room (a.k.a. the brick yard) where we can probably > accomodate up to 30 people with various PCs on bench-tables (we have had > 100+ people in there for presentations). This room has the same AV > sysetm as Kinnekut Hall... In addition to that, we have a large "room" > (a.k.a. the library) off of a number of classrooms that could also be > used. Every room is equipped with drops (between a 6 and 30) that we > could use if Chuck can secure permission to connect to the WPI network. > > As to what, well I must confess, I have never seen what the attraction > is to playing computer games. I have brought up the possibility, as the > last "Boynton meeting", of attracting the "technology" types from area > schools (and the folks they hang out with) for an install fest and > topical discussions revolving around getting Linux into the hands of > students and family as well as the topic of running Linux on all the > older PCs that many schools already have. > > My guess is that taking this route, instead of a night of games, would > not only serve to help the communities in which we live, but also > bolster WLUG's standing in central MA and probably double our membership > as well... > > Steve > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 10:08:11AM -0500, Haines, Charles Allen wrote: > Have you made sure that there will be enough power to accomodate this many > computers. I've had to deal with this problem many times before and I know > that both the Odeum and Riley Commons can support up to 50 computers. Once > we decide on a location, I'll speak with NetOps about internet access. Don't worry, we're already listening ;) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Dec. 9, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Haines, Charles Allen

Have you made sure that there will be enough power to accomodate this many computers. I've had to deal with this problem many times before and I know that both the Odeum and Riley Commons can support up to 50 computers. Once we decide on a location, I'll speak with NetOps about internet access. ============================================================= | Chuck Haines | WPI Box 1531 | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | 100 Institute Road | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | Worcester, MA 01609 | ============================================================= | ECE Systems Admininstrator | AIM: CyberGrex | | GDC Developer | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | WPILA Lab Manager | ICQ: 3707881 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | IRC: termleech | ============================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 7:36 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... I have a couple of ideas... The first one that comes to mind, regarding location, is to hold it at the Mass Academy of Math & Science at WPI, which is of course a part of WPI, and is loacted at 85 Prescott St. This is where WPI's campus expansion (gateway park) will be happening over the next N years. As is so happens, I'm a faculty member at the Academy (Computer Science) and have already secured permission to use the entire facility, if need be, for WLUG acitivity. There is one large room (a.k.a. the brick yard) where we can probably accomodate up to 30 people with various PCs on bench-tables (we have had 100+ people in there for presentations). This room has the same AV sysetm as Kinnekut Hall... In addition to that, we have a large "room" (a.k.a. the library) off of a number of classrooms that could also be used. Every room is equipped with drops (between a 6 and 30) that we could use if Chuck can secure permission to connect to the WPI network. As to what, well I must confess, I have never seen what the attraction is to playing computer games. I have brought up the possibility, as the last "Boynton meeting", of attracting the "technology" types from area schools (and the folks they hang out with) for an install fest and topical discussions revolving around getting Linux into the hands of students and family as well as the topic of running Linux on all the older PCs that many schools already have. My guess is that taking this route, instead of a night of games, would not only serve to help the communities in which we live, but also bolster WLUG's standing in central MA and probably double our membership as well... Steve > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Stephen C. Daukas

I have a couple of ideas... The first one that comes to mind, regarding location, is to hold it at the Mass Academy of Math & Science at WPI, which is of course a part of WPI, and is loacted at 85 Prescott St. This is where WPI's campus expansion (gateway park) will be happening over the next N years. As is so happens, I'm a faculty member at the Academy (Computer Science) and have already secured permission to use the entire facility, if need be, for WLUG acitivity. There is one large room (a.k.a. the brick yard) where we can probably accomodate up to 30 people with various PCs on bench-tables (we have had 100+ people in there for presentations). This room has the same AV sysetm as Kinnekut Hall... In addition to that, we have a large "room" (a.k.a. the library) off of a number of classrooms that could also be used. Every room is equipped with drops (between a 6 and 30) that we could use if Chuck can secure permission to connect to the WPI network. As to what, well I must confess, I have never seen what the attraction is to playing computer games. I have brought up the possibility, as the last "Boynton meeting", of attracting the "technology" types from area schools (and the folks they hang out with) for an install fest and topical discussions revolving around getting Linux into the hands of students and family as well as the topic of running Linux on all the older PCs that many schools already have. My guess is that taking this route, instead of a night of games, would not only serve to help the communities in which we live, but also bolster WLUG's standing in central MA and probably double our membership as well... Steve > >

Dec. 9, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Ipaq Help

by brad

On Friday 06 December 2002 10:25 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Hi all, > I realized that I missed the installfest the other month (family was > sick, as I recall); so I missed a generous offer to convert my iPAQ to > linux. It's still possible. > Frankly, I'm tired of not being able to sync contacts and calendar with my > laptop, and I'd like to have and ogg player in my hands as well. I'm going > to try pool enough money to get an older Zaurus after Christmas, but in > case I can't I'm going to convert my iPAQ. The install doesn't look that > hard...but the documentation leaves a lot to be desired. Can anyone put > together an "idiot's guide to converting your ipaq to linux," complete with > how to stop the install of X and install qtopia instead? I'd be greatful, > and I'm sure that handhelds.org would love the user-friendly documentation > as well. Short answer. The documentation on handhelds.org is pretty good. If you can make it to any future meetings, i will be able to go through the process with you, as long as i have the proper tools. The process doesn't take long. > > Thanks. I'm moving out of this area sometime early next year, I'm sure > going to miss this list (and the lure of meetings I never seem to get to). Perhaps you can make it to one meetings before you leave to convert your ipaq. -brad

Dec. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Ipaq Help

by Wesley Allen

Well.... It's bad enough that I ask questions and don't come to the meetings, add to that the fact that I CAN'T come to the meetings, and i'd just feel like too much of a leech.. Wes On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:17:54 -0500 (EST) Adam Keck <akeck(a)mathworks.com> wrote: >Miss this list? Will you not have internet access? ;-) > >-Adam > >> Thanks. I'm moving out of this area sometime early >>next year, I'm sure going >> to miss this list (and the lure of meetings I never seem >>to get to). >> >> Wes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >"lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" >_____________________________________________ >Adam Keck The Mathworks >508-647-7298 Natick, Ma > www.mathworks.com >FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator >_____________________________________________ > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] SuSE for Power Mac?

by Adam Keck

I have Suse 6.4 eval from it's Mac World introduction. Alternatively I have a cable modem and therefore can generate some debian ppc CDs if you want. -Adam On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of SuSE for a power mac? My neighbor would like > to get a copy, and we've all got 56k connections. Thanks. > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Dec. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Ipaq Help

by Adam Keck

Miss this list? Will you not have internet access? ;-) -Adam > Thanks. I'm moving out of this area sometime early next year, I'm sure going > to miss this list (and the lure of meetings I never seem to get to). > > Wes > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Dec. 8, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Question on making a CD from a VHS...

by Brett Russ

> I'm looking to take the music from a VHS tape and produce a CD for my > wife for Christmas. Hook the RCA stereo outputs up to the line in jack on your sound card (or motherboard). You'll need a male stereo RCA to male stereo mini (1/8" I think) adapter (can get from Radio Shack, etc). Then set up to record from line in. Someone can help you with the SW from there--shouldn't be too hard. Once you get it on your HDD you can do whatever with it: burn to CD, make a MP3/Ogg Vorbis compressed version, etc. BR

Dec. 7, 2002

SuSE for Power Mac?

by Gregory Avedissian

Does anyone have a copy of SuSE for a power mac? My neighbor would like to get a copy, and we've all got 56k connections. Thanks. Greg

Dec. 7, 2002

Question on making a CD from a VHS...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Never having before played with music, etc., on a computer, I'm womndering if anyone hasd done this sort of thing before... I'm looking to take the music from a VHS tape and produce a CD for my wife for Christmas. Also, making a DVD of the VHS would be handy too. The issue here is that the VHS player isn't going to last forever, nor is the tape, and the DVD isn't available (nor is the soundtrack). Any suggestions for doing this? Steve

Dec. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] web hosting

by Baris Hasdemir

Thanks for the replies, I also remember seeing couple of times on yahoogroups logs a log entry like "soft bounce, no MX record" or something like that for an account at hasdemir.com domain. One last question, Can I do adding the MX record or is it the web hosting company who is supposed to do that. I will argue according to this information ;) I will also try reaching the postmasters of the problematic domains. thanks again, baris On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:52 -0500 Chuck Homic wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 05:28:41PM -0500, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. > > Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be > > received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told > > me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no > > idea on what network means here). > > Baris, I did a quick lookup of your domain ('host hasdemir.com') and I > didn't get any MX record. > > Many SMTP hosts do a lookup of the sending host/ip, and reject mail if it > is not an MX, presuming that it's not a "real" mailserver. (This is to > prevent spamming from DUL or cable modem links and whatnot.) > > I'm on the fence as to whether or not that's a reasonable practice... but > it's there. I'd suggest adding an MX record to your domain's DNS. > (Whether or not this is the ACTUAL problem you're having at the moment.) > > -Chuck

Dec. 7, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion

by Haines, Charles Allen

I've used the firewall configurer in redhat, both lokkit and the one that comes with redhat. There really isn't much to them, but if no one else knows better than I, I'd be happy to show them. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Wes Allen [mailto:wallen@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:27 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion I just might have to tell my wife I'm coming to this one.... On Friday 06 December 2002 9:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Everybody, > > I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once > the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do > the presentation? :-) > > Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would > be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? > > Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address > WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which > was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his > talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was > a bit too detailed and dry. > > Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution > specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just > GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out > there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming > meeting? How about some other distro? > > Thanks, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:23:09PM +0500, Bill Smith wrote: wsmith> Right... I've noticed this. Because Lokkit is kind of "secretive" in wsmith> what it actually has defined (one doesn't know until one goes in with wsmith> other tools), I didn't know if Lokkit was doing a good job or if it was wsmith> just doing something half-baked... <shrug> The firewall rules are stored in /etc/sysconfig/iptables (or /etc/sysconfig/ipchains on < 8.0 releases). It's just difficult to parse those files and determine High/Medium/Low, since someone could have hand edited the file after the fact. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Topic Discussion

by Wes Allen

I just might have to tell my wife I'm coming to this one.... On Friday 06 December 2002 9:49 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Everybody, > > I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once > the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do > the presentation? :-) > > Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would > be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? > > Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address > WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which > was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his > talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was > a bit too detailed and dry. > > Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution > specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just > GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out > there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming > meeting? How about some other distro? > > Thanks, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 7, 2002

Ipaq Help

by Wes Allen

Hi all, I realized that I missed the installfest the other month (family was sick, as I recall); so I missed a generous offer to convert my iPAQ to linux. Frankly, I'm tired of not being able to sync contacts and calendar with my laptop, and I'd like to have and ogg player in my hands as well. I'm going to try pool enough money to get an older Zaurus after Christmas, but in case I can't I'm going to convert my iPAQ. The install doesn't look that hard...but the documentation leaves a lot to be desired. Can anyone put together an "idiot's guide to converting your ipaq to linux," complete with how to stop the install of X and install qtopia instead? I'd be greatful, and I'm sure that handhelds.org would love the user-friendly documentation as well. Thanks. I'm moving out of this area sometime early next year, I'm sure going to miss this list (and the lure of meetings I never seem to get to). Wes

Dec. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Possible Printer discussion

by Wes Allen

Above my head, but it sounds interesting. Scanners would be a neat topic as well in that vein... On Friday 06 December 2002 9:58 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > If it were possible for me to get a person to speak to WLUG regarding > printers and printer drivers, would that be of interest? (Hint: say > "yes"). > > I'm thinking of a programmer's talk here, not a user level talk. > > For example, what does the skeleton of a printer driver look like? > > What functions must it provide to user level software, and what does it > pass to a queueing system or perhaps directly to the printer? > > How are JPG pictures converted to dots of ink that appear on your printer > paper? > > What's the deal with these different dithering algorithms? What is > dithering, and why do it? > > These are just some ideas to get the creative juices flowing. Let me know > what topics in this realm would be of interest at a future WLUG meeting. > > Once I have that information, I'll see if I can find a speaker to address > these topics. > > Thanks, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 7, 2002

Possible Printer discussion

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, If it were possible for me to get a person to speak to WLUG regarding printers and printer drivers, would that be of interest? (Hint: say "yes"). I'm thinking of a programmer's talk here, not a user level talk. For example, what does the skeleton of a printer driver look like? What functions must it provide to user level software, and what does it pass to a queueing system or perhaps directly to the printer? How are JPG pictures converted to dots of ink that appear on your printer paper? What's the deal with these different dithering algorithms? What is dithering, and why do it? These are just some ideas to get the creative juices flowing. Let me know what topics in this realm would be of interest at a future WLUG meeting. Once I have that information, I'll see if I can find a speaker to address these topics. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 7, 2002

Meeting Topic Discussion

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, I've seen some good ideas floating around out there, as I knew I would once the topic got going. Now the question you'll all hate: who wants to do the presentation? :-) Is there anybody out there who is pretty well versed in IPTables that would be willing to address the next WLUG meeting? Just a thought: Do we want to ask Robert Ziegler to come back and address WLUG? He authored the Linux Firewalls book published by New Riders which was updated for IPTables. He addressed WLUG about 18 months ago and his talk was extremely detailed and technical. To be fair, some thought it was a bit too detailed and dry. Along those lines, I thought it might be good to discuss the distribution specific ways that firewalling is handled. I suspect that those are just GUIs that build a list of IPTables filters anyway. Is there anybody out there that is comfortable with discussing this for RedHat at the upcoming meeting? How about some other distro? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 7, 2002

RE: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by Brett Russ

> I just need to know how to convert the iPAQ contacts (and maybe > calendar) into > something I can use in Linux... If you have access to an Win box with Outlook and sync to that using MS ActiveSync (I can post the SW if you need it), you can use Mozilla to convert to (I think) the vCard format or something that can be recognized by Linux Mozilla or Evolution. See the Ximian site for the howto. I realize this is probably not the most direct way but MS is great like that :) BR

Dec. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Bill Smith

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:19:50 -0500 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: CRA> No, lokkit does a good job at setting up firewall rules for CRA> most users' basic needs. Okay... This is a Good Thing to know... :) CRA> The thing you need to remember with CRA> the redhat-config-securitylevel utility, is that every time you go CRA> into it, it defaults to the High setting, and does NOT show CRA> you what the current setting is. People are confused by this CRA> all the time, since they think that after changing it to Medium CRA> or Low, it should stay on that setting the next time they open CRA> the control panel. It doesn't work that way. Right... I've noticed this. Because Lokkit is kind of "secretive" in what it actually has defined (one doesn't know until one goes in with other tools), I didn't know if Lokkit was doing a good job or if it was just doing something half-baked... <shrug> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com It just seems wrong to cheat on an ethics test. -- Calvin * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by Wes Allen

Ummm, Isn't that what I'm using? I just need to know how to convert the iPAQ contacts (and maybe calendar) into something I can use in Linux... Wes On Friday 06 December 2002 6:14 am, brad wrote: > I found this today, thought you (and any other ipaq users) might be > interested. > http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/ > > -brad > > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > > addressbook data in? > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 6, 2002

RE: [Wlug] fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP

by Marc Hughes

I've seen weird things like this when the server can't get a good reverse DNS lookup (or sometimes a good forward lookup). Try adding an entry for your client into your server's /etc/hosts file ... It's fixed similar things for me. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Mills-Curran Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:26 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) > From: Bill Mills-Curran <Mills-Curran_Bill(a)emc.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: [Wlug] fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP > > I REALLY need some help. I've included a lot of diagnostic stuff in > this email to help the troubleshooting process. Please help. <snip> Ok, I got it to work, but only by extending the timeout parameter in my .fetchmailrc file from 30 seconds to 120 seconds. This brings up an intermittent problem I have with slow responses to connections. Some connections are slow, exceeding the timeout of 30 seconds. So, I would guess that this is the root cause. Slow response to this: ssh localhost Good response to this: ssh 192.168.1.12 TIA, Bill _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 11:25:26AM +0500, Bill Smith wrote: wsmith> want to know whether or not it's a Good Thing to have Lokkit doing what wsmith> it does. (for example, is it sufficient as a starting point, or should wsmith> I remove it and define my own rules?) No, lokkit does a good job at setting up firewall rules for most users' basic needs. The thing you need to remember with the redhat-config-securitylevel utility, is that every time you go into it, it defaults to the High setting, and does NOT show you what the current setting is. People are confused by this all the time, since they think that after changing it to Medium or Low, it should stay on that setting the next time they open the control panel. It doesn't work that way. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) > From: Bill Mills-Curran <Mills-Curran_Bill(a)emc.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org> > Subject: [Wlug] fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP > > I REALLY need some help. I've included a lot of diagnostic stuff in > this email to help the troubleshooting process. Please help. <snip> Ok, I got it to work, but only by extending the timeout parameter in my .fetchmailrc file from 30 seconds to 120 seconds. This brings up an intermittent problem I have with slow responses to connections. Some connections are slow, exceeding the timeout of 30 seconds. So, I would guess that this is the root cause. Slow response to this: ssh localhost Good response to this: ssh 192.168.1.12 TIA, Bill

Dec. 6, 2002

fetchmail/sendmail problem... HELP

by Bill Mills-Curran

I REALLY need some help. I've included a lot of diagnostic stuff in this email to help the troubleshooting process. Please help. I'm struggling & I need some advice. The basic problem is that something changed between last night and this morning to make my email not work. Config details: ISP: charter email address subssn594(a)charter.net I use fetchmail to grab the email from the pop server (pop.charter.net) and deliver it to my local email account on my linux box (Red Hat 8.0) username on linux: bcurran fetchmailrc: poll pop.charter.net user subssn594 password xxxx fetchall When I run "fetchmail -v -v" I get good authentication, etc for both IMAP and POP3. I can see a list of email messages. When it retrieves messages I get (I'll just show the POP3 -- the IMAP is similar): fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2003 bytes will follow reading message 1 of 46 (2003 octets) About to rewrite Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> Rewritten version is Return-Path: <owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.ICSL.UCLA.EDU> About to rewrite From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> Rewritten version is From: John Houser <jchouser(a)yahoo.com> About to rewrite To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is To: gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu About to rewrite Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu Rewritten version is Sender: owner-gobruins(a)gobruins.icsl.ucla.edu fetchmail: timeout after 30 seconds waiting for listener to respond. fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net fetchmail: Query status=7 (ERROR) fetchmail: Deleting fetchids file. fetchmail: normal termination, status 7 Now, what I find is interesting is the message: Fetchmail: client/server synchronization error while delivering to SMTP host pop.charter.net It looks like it's trying to deliver to the pop server rather than my local account. WHY???? More stuff... I can email myself locally, so the SMTP server on my machine would appear to be ok. I can also telnet to the POP3 server and perform operations. My prime suspect is fetchmail. Somehow it seems to behave differently, and I have no idea why. Maybe there are different DNS entries or something causing fetchmail to deliver to the wrong place. (Of course, I don't know that the SMTP message is accurate or misleading.) TIA, Bill P.S. If you'd like to chat on the phone, please feel free. I need to get this fixed. -- Bill Mills-Curran Mills-Curran_Bill(a)emc.com EMC Corporation Tel: 508 382-7642 Coslin Drive, MS C33 Fax: 508 382-7913 Southboro, MA 01772 Tie: 824-27642

Dec. 6, 2002

...we WILL take over the world </maniacal laughter>

by Mike Peckar

Walmart is now selling Lindows boxes for $199... http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/12/05/sproject.hs02.cheap.pc.reut/index.h tml

Dec. 6, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Skip Gaede

Folks, William Smith (WS) wrote: Charles Allen (HCA) wrote: > HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. > I'd also like > HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. > HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that > HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. > > WS> AYE AYE! :) > > WS> as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, > WS> but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything > WS> that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at > WS> a guide to > WS> using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i > WS> need to learn. again. <g> I'm also interested in security and IP Tables. My system has a local network and a cable modem, and with previous versions of Mandrake, they had a wizard to setup netfilter. The 9.0 release dropped the wizard and included a shorewall package. The documentation was not great, but I think I understand it well enough to modify the config files as needed. And I like the package a lot. --Skip

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by brad

I found this today, thought you (and any other ipaq users) might be interested. http://synce.sourceforge.net/synce/ -brad On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. > > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > addressbook data in? > > Wes > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Bill Smith

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:56:59 -0500 "Skip Gaede" <sgaede(a)attbi.com> wrote: SG> I'm also interested in security and IP Tables. My system has a local SG> network and a cable modem, and with previous versions of Mandrake, SG> they had a wizard to setup netfilter. The 9.0 release dropped the SG> wizard and included a shorewall package. The documentation was not SG> great, but I think I understand it well enough to modify the config SG> files as needed. And I like the package a lot. among the things that has me interested, RH8.0 uses Lokkit in setting up baseline Firewall rules. I don't know much about firewalls (yet), but I want to know whether or not it's a Good Thing to have Lokkit doing what it does. (for example, is it sufficient as a starting point, or should I remove it and define my own rules?) Advice is always welcome... Also: Is there a better way to provide information online from past meetings? There are some things where the notes provided raise more questions than they answer for me. Having slide show notes are great, but if someone that was present asked the same question i have, how would i know? just a few thoughts... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "[T]here is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace." -- Sherlock Holmes, in 'A Case of Identity' * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] web hosting

by Bill Mills-Curran

A friend of mine uses westhost.com and likes it. I think you'd pay $8.00/mo for what you want. Bill

Dec. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] web hosting

by Clint Moyer

In almost 3 years, I've had no problems with cphosting.com. http://cphosting.com/index.php?page=hostingplan Clint On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:37:29 -0500 Baris Hasdemir <penguen(a)hasdemir.com> wrote: >hi all, > >I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web >hosting company. Nowadays >many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be >received by the other >company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me >that probably there are >filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on >what network means here). > >here is what they exactly told me: >>> why would they filter my domain which has only three >>>email accounts, >>> and never spammed throughout its life? > >> They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole >>network, they >> don't care many domains in that network are legit. > >They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant >problem. they refuse to >show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. > >Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? > >I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql >and php installed. What >would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? >Things I would like to >have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space >around 100MB. > >thanks, >baris > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > <TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60">

Dec. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] web hosting

by Brett Russ

Baris Hasdemir wrote: > I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays > many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other > company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are > filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). I am not sure what the problem is but here are some things to think about: -virtual hosting keeps many domain names bound to a single IP address. -the filters they refer to are probably looking at IP addresses or network addresses (the leading portion of the IP address which is followed by the host address) -Since you can send to other domains successfully, contact (from a different account) the postmaster or webmaster at the problem domain and ask them. > I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What > would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to > have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. I use LogicInternet and am satisfied. They host with FreeBSD but I don't have a shell account. I realize that two of your requirements are already out the window but if you are interested check out their rate plans here: http://www.logicinternet.com/vhost/index.shtml -Brett

Dec. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] web hosting

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 05:28:41PM -0500, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. > Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be > received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told > me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no > idea on what network means here). Baris, I did a quick lookup of your domain ('host hasdemir.com') and I didn't get any MX record. Many SMTP hosts do a lookup of the sending host/ip, and reject mail if it is not an MX, presuming that it's not a "real" mailserver. (This is to prevent spamming from DUL or cable modem links and whatnot.) I'm on the fence as to whether or not that's a reasonable practice... but it's there. I'd suggest adding an MX record to your domain's DNS. (Whether or not this is the ACTUAL problem you're having at the moment.) -Chuck

Dec. 5, 2002

web hosting

by Baris Hasdemir

hi all, I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). here is what they exactly told me: >> why would they filter my domain which has only three email accounts, >> and never spammed throughout its life? > They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole network, they > don't care many domains in that network are legit. They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant problem. they refuse to show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. thanks, baris

Dec. 5, 2002

web hosting

by Baris Hasdemir

hi all, I have a domain(hasdemir.com) hosted on linux by a web hosting company. Nowadays many emails that I have sent, neither bounce back or be received by the other company. Help desk of the web hosting company told me that probably there are filters for our network (by the way I have no idea on what network means here). here is what they exactly told me: >> why would they filter my domain which has only three email accounts, >> and never spammed throughout its life? > They don't block domain by domain but they block a whole network, they > don't care many domains in that network are legit. They are quite bad on informing the customer about ant problem. they refuse to show me the SMTP logs. It is Exim as far as I know. Would any of you tell me what my problem really might be? I need my web site hosted on a linux machine with mysql and php installed. What would your recommandations be for a web hosting firm? Things I would like to have, shell account with ssh connectivity and web space around 100MB. thanks, baris

Dec. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Keller, Tim

Bill, Instead of using wine, you should look at using wineX instead. It's got much better support for games than just base WINE... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Smith [mailto:wsmith@chezsmith.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 6:32 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0500 "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: HCA> I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I HCA> think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. AYE AYE! :) i've been toying with getting WINE to work with Warcraft II, but although it's supposed to work, i can't seem to get it to do anything constructive. 8( as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at a guide to using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i need to learn. again. <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Never to be credited when telling the truth." -- Aristotle, when he was asked what a man gains by telling a lie. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 5, 2002

printing config question

by Bill Mills-Curran

Problem: I'm not able to print multiple copies (or access any printer options). My setup... I have print queues configured on machines at home (parallel port connect) and at work (printing to smb printers on the network). In both cases, I'm running Red Hat 8.0. I have not installed cups. I'm using the CANON bjc600 driver at home and "Postscript Printer" at work. How can I get lpr options to work? TIA, Bill

Dec. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Haines, Charles Allen

I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 6:56 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better! HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Lan party ideas...

by Haines, Charles Allen

Here is what I suggest. We co-sponsor this with the WPI Game Development Club. The GDC holds LAN parties often and would help us a great deal with the planning of this. I think its a great idea, having helped with many of the GDC LAN parties myself (I'm a GDC executive). For the installfest part, I say we charge nothing, unless the person doesn't have the distro on CD, in which case we can ask for a couple bucks to cover the cost of the CD's (since most distro's take up like 5 CD's now anyway). However, for the LAN party part, the way that the GDC usually does it is, $3 for GDC members, $5 for WPI students, and $7 for Consortium students, and $10 for everyone else. Now since WLUG is a WPI organization, we could say, $3 for WLUG / WPILA members and $5 for everyone else. I think that is a very fair price. As for placed to hold it. WPI would be more than happy to hold it. We really have two choices in the matter, Riley Commons, which is easy to get, but not very large. Or we can try and get the Odeum, which is much more tricky, but much larger and more power. Any WPI Alumni or current student can book either of these (though I've heard that Alumni have a better change of getting the Odeum than a student does). The link should be an isolated link just internally for the LAN party. If we want an outside link for the install fest portion, we will have to talk to netops and see what they can do. Right now, every machine on the WPI campus has to be registered for security reasons. They might be able to help us out with something. If we decided to turn this into more than a LAN party, I say we turn it into a series of small demos / tutorials kinda thing. We could host some beginner tutorials, like a basic recompiling of the kernel, a desktop setup, stuff like that. We could also hold more advanced tutorials such as iptables, security, clustering, stuff like that. I think that we should have the installfest go for like the first 3 hours, along with a LAN party, and then turn over to tutorials and workshops, maybe offering a couple at the same time to give people a choice. I'd really like to do something like this. As for time frame... GDC LAN parties usually last from around 6pm to whenever everyone leaves, which has been as late as 3am the next day. Now for this, I would say that something like 5-midnight, or something similiar would work well, giving us enough time for both the installfest and the workshops / tutorials. I suppose that is enough long windedness for me, ================================================= | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | ECE Sys Admin | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | GDC Developer | ICQ: 3707881 | ================================================= http://www.linux-xtreme.net -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:19 AM To: Wlug (E-mail) Subject: [Wlug] Lan party ideas... Hey All, So after reading Andy's email, it got me thinking about the whole installfest/lan party thing... and I'd like some input. 1. Do the members of WLUG think a lan party is a possible thing? 2. How many people do you think we could get to attend? 2a. How many people would we want to attend? At a certain point, if 200 people show up, it could get ugly... 3. Where and When could we hold such a shindig? Would this be something that the support staff at WPI would even entertain as an idea? Or, should we look else were... such as a VFW or some such place... 4. Should we have a link to the outside world, or should it just be an isolated LAN? 5. Time Frame... 6. What should we charge people (if anything) to attend? 7. Activities? This is where I want some broad input. Other than the obligatory FPS/RTS games, what other games or "stuff" would people like to see? I know Andy had mentioned a security demo... How about a clustering demo... Let me know what your ideas are... Thanks, Tim. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:46:45 -0500 "Haines, Charles Allen" <chaines(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: HCA> I would be very interested in some security based presentations. I HCA> think setting up some boxes for "security" testing would be really HCA> cool. I'd be willing to donate my box to the cause. I'd also like HCA> to see a tutorial on iptables, cause they are a very usual thing. HCA> Other than that, I think a demo on wine, and getting some of that HCA> other OS's programs like dreamweaver mx, to work under wine. AYE AYE! :) i've been toying with getting WINE to work with Warcraft II, but although it's supposed to work, i can't seem to get it to do anything constructive. 8( as for the iptables, i know that it was done a little over a year ago, but maybe there could be a bit of an update session, to cover anything that has changed since then... for example, i was looking at a guide to using the iproute2 suite, and i think there are a lot of things that i need to learn. again. <g> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Never to be credited when telling the truth." -- Aristotle, when he was asked what a man gains by telling a lie. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] synce, is a wonderful thing

by brad

On Wednesday 04 December 2002 09:55 pm, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux > laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and > opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. Nice. > But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into > something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their > addressbook data in? I believe that the address book, is something that only outlook can read. I had a hard time trying to figure this one out to when i switched from WinCE to linux. What i did was found a machine with outlook and sync-ed to that. Opened up outlook and exported the address book in csv format. Then i could actually read the data. Cheers, --brad

Dec. 5, 2002

synce, is a wonderful thing

by Wesley Allen

Hi all, I've actually managed to get my iPAQ connected to my linux laptop using my usb cable....and I've even gotten some files off it and opened them up with OOo. All-in-all, I'm happy. But I would like to back up the address files and convert them into something Linux can use. What files does pocket-pc use to keep their addressbook data in? Wes

Dec. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] regular SCSI errors in log

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:32:58 -0500 (EST) > From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] regular SCSI errors in log > > > Any cron jobs running at that time? > > > SCSI terminator properly installed? > > <snip> Karl, Cron job. Yes, there is a daily cron job that runs around that time. However, the errors are logged on Friday only, so I did not connect the two. I suppose that there could be an interaction with something else that happens weekly to make this operation troublesome. I'll keep poking around for that. Note that the weekly system cron jobs run on Sunday, not Friday. SCSI terminator. N/A on this machine. This is a Data General server with 2 PnP SCSI disks plus 2 copper fibre HBA's to a Clariion array. Thanks, Bill

Dec. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] regular SCSI errors in log

by Karl Hiramoto

Any cron jobs running at that time? SCSI terminator properly installed? On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've just noticed that a server I support has been logging SCSI errors > every Friday at about the same time. It's just a quick blip of error > messages, then on to normal business: > > Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 > Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error > Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure > Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 > Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) > Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 > Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error > Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure > Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 > Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) > > Here's the output of "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" > > Attached devices: > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 > Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS09Y CLAR09 Rev: 1A1A > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00 > Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST39102L CLAR09 Rev: AV05 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 > Vendor: ESG-SHV Model: SCA HSBP M8 Rev: 0.05 > Type: Processor ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 > Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 > Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 > Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 > > I've looked at my cron jobs, and I see anything that runs about that > time on Fridays. > > One other weird thing... The console is unresponsive. I can't log in > on tty1. The other tty's seem fine. I tried killing the process on > tty1 so it would respawn (which it did), but that did not make tty1 > usable. > > Any ideas? > > TIA, > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Life is a game of bridge -- and you've just been finessed.

Dec. 4, 2002

regular SCSI errors in log

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've just noticed that a server I support has been logging SCSI errors every Friday at about the same time. It's just a quick blip of error messages, then on to normal business: Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 Nov 29 20:31:25 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 28000002 Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Current sd08:07: sense key Hardware Error Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: Additional sense indicates Internal target failure Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: I/O error: dev 08:07, sector 92510 Nov 29 20:31:29 esd-tls01 kernel: sym53c896-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s (50.0 ns, offset 15) Here's the output of "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" Attached devices: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: IBM Model: DGHS09Y CLAR09 Rev: 1A1A Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 03 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00 Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST39102L CLAR09 Rev: AV05 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 06 Lun: 00 Vendor: ESG-SHV Model: SCA HSBP M8 Rev: 0.05 Type: Processor ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01 Vendor: DGC Model: RAID 5 Rev: 0847 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 I've looked at my cron jobs, and I see anything that runs about that time on Fridays. One other weird thing... The console is unresponsive. I can't log in on tty1. The other tty's seem fine. I tried killing the process on tty1 so it would respawn (which it did), but that did not make tty1 usable. Any ideas? TIA, Bill

Dec. 3, 2002

Lan party ideas...

by Keller, Tim

Hey All, So after reading Andy's email, it got me thinking about the whole installfest/lan party thing... and I'd like some input. 1. Do the members of WLUG think a lan party is a possible thing? 2. How many people do you think we could get to attend? 2a. How many people would we want to attend? At a certain point, if 200 people show up, it could get ugly... 3. Where and When could we hold such a shindig? Would this be something that the support staff at WPI would even entertain as an idea? Or, should we look else were... such as a VFW or some such place... 4. Should we have a link to the outside world, or should it just be an isolated LAN? 5. Time Frame... 6. What should we charge people (if anything) to attend? 7. Activities? This is where I want some broad input. Other than the obligatory FPS/RTS games, what other games or "stuff" would people like to see? I know Andy had mentioned a security demo... How about a clustering demo... Let me know what your ideas are... Thanks, Tim.

Dec. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] more alphabet soup :-(

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 15:59:28 -0500 From: Josh Huber <huber+sender+89031d(a)alum.wpi.edu> Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: > At that price, I'll put up with the inconvenience. If I use gzip > rather than bzip2 compression, I think things will be fast enough so > that backups won't be that much of an annoyance. Perhaps the in-kernel transparent decompression option for ISO9660 might be of interest to you? (in case you were not aware of it) I wasn't. The way afio does the compression (running gzip against each file), that could save some time. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Dec. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] more alphabet soup :-(

by Josh Huber

Robert L Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> writes: > At that price, I'll put up with the inconvenience. If I use gzip > rather than bzip2 compression, I think things will be fast enough so > that backups won't be that much of an annoyance. Perhaps the in-kernel transparent decompression option for ISO9660 might be of interest to you? (in case you were not aware of it) -- Josh Huber

Dec. 2, 2002

Job opening

by Doug Chamberlin

I didn't want anyone in WLUG to miss this listing. I hope it is not considered inappropriate. >Tatara Systems is a newly funded wireless startup based in Acton, >MA. We are currently searching for a Principal SW Engineer to join >our team. Please no agencies or third party recruiters. Local >candidates only, please. This role is a full time offering, but we >may consider a contractor as well. > >Principal Software Engineer; Linux OS >This person will be responsible for evaluation, packaging, and >porting of >a Linux kernel and drivers to a carrier class embedded system, and >building and updating the application development tools. Knowledge >of >Linux internals and various distributions required. Candidate must >have >previous experience with similar porting effort and at least 10 >years total >experience in Linux, Unix, or embedded systems development in >C and C++. Prior experience with fault tolerant and clustered >systems >design highly desireable. > >Please contact: >Ed Nathanson >Tatara Systems >ed(a)tatarasystems.com

Dec. 2, 2002

Meeting topics...

by Joel Desrochers

I have started coming recently and I am very happy with the meeting format and content. I would be very interested in the security-type Linux discussions and demos, including related product demos and breakin & fixit seminars. I had a family emergency this past week which kept me away in November. I already know that a must-attend company Christmas party will keep me from the December meeting. I am looking forward to the January meeting, Joel Desrochers _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Dec. 2, 2002

RE: DVD writer

by Scott Prive

This drive (Sony) currently is not 100% supported by the dvdrtools package. The DVD+R and +RW portion works, but not the -R -RW. The authors of dvdrtools have not yet added support or figured out the firmware (specs? what specs?) The "dash" formats for this drive *may* burn from the non-free dvdrecord-pro package (same author as cdrecord). I saw one report of success. If you're looking for a DVD recorder for Linux, the Pioneer DVR-XXX line is the best supported (I have a DVR-104 which is the OEM ver of DVR-A04). These are DVD-R/-RW burners, with the -105 model now supporting 4X DVD-R. For backups you won't care about DVD-R's greater compatability with DVD-Video... but you might care about greater compatability with DVD-ROM readers (you wouldn't want to restore from the burner as the read speed won't match a speedy ROM drive like Pioneer DVD-117). The other benefit to -R/-RW is media price: the "dash" formats typically cost half what the "plus" formats. I pay 60 cents each for a 100-DVD spindle from Meritline. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert L Krawitz [mailto:rlk@alum.mit.edu] > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:23 PM > To: discuss(a)blu.org; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: DVD writer > > > I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use > it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 > GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks > like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any > comments on that vs. any of the others out there? This is for a pure > Linux system. > > -- > Robert Krawitz > <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> > > Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 > Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net > Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net > > "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." > --Eric Crampton > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss(a)blu.org > http://www.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >

Dec. 2, 2002

Re: Wlug digest, Vol 1 #477 - 2 msgs

by Arturo

I would love a hackfest! I think learning about tools to help you protect your data ... or better yet finding out how safe your data currentlyu is, would be both fun and informative. Cheers Arturo -- Arturo <wlug(a)sedo.net>

Dec. 2, 2002

Finally, Linux With a Lot Less Fuss

by Karl Hiramoto

Good article in the washington post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48924-2002Nov27.html By Rob Pegoraro Sunday, December 1, 2002; Page H07 Over the past few weeks, I've installed Linux on three computers without breaking into fits of cursing. That's a novel development in my experience with this open-source operating system. The version I've been using is Red Hat Linux 8.0, shipped by Raleigh, N.C.-based Red Hat in late September. This is the first Linux distribution I've tried that hasn't made me feel as if I'm about to step on a rake and have its handle swing into my face. Parts of this are still infuriatingly convoluted, but if you've been thinking about trying out Linux on part of your hard drive -- or about dumping Windows entirely -- this is what I'd recommend. Why would you want to do that? One, Linux is cheap or free -- your choice. The personal edition of Red Hat 8 sells for $40 in stores, or you can download three CDs' worth at no charge (www.redhat.com) Nearly all Linux programs are also free to use. Two, Linux is free in another way: "Open source" means anybody can look at a program's code and tinker with it. Three, if you are inclined to tinker and try out new programs, Linux can be an interesting place. It's one of the most customizable operating systems, and quite a few Linux development projects -- for example, DVD playback -- seem to be hitting their stride. Four, while Linux has plenty of bugs and security issues, it is virus-free compared with Windows. All these qualities come with trade-offs, the big one being an often agonizing inscrutability. Red Hat 8 doesn't abolish these shortcomings but does bring them to a more manageable level. Its installation is quick and clean. Notwithstanding a clumsy disk-setup module (either partition your hard drive with another program or be prepared to wipe it clean), you can blithely go with the default settings and have a working desktop in less than 45 minutes. That includes functioning audio and video hardware, something beyond my reach in earlier Linux experiments. On each of three test PCs -- an old IBM desktop, a moderately recent IBM ThinkPad T21 and a brand-new Hewlett-Packard Media Center PC -- Red Hat 8 automatically and correctly set up the sound and graphics cards. It then accepted a digital-subscriber-line or office-network connection with no more configuration than Windows would require, and with the proper firewall protection enabled by default. A modem connection, unfortunately but predictably, was out of the question. Most PCs' internal modems require some fairly complicated, proprietary Windows software to function, and many manufacturers don't offer Linux versions of this software or documentation that would let other programmers handle the job. Red Hat 8 also couldn't do anything with the USB 2.0 ports on the HP, although it's supposed to support them. Red Hat 8's biggest departure from Linux convention is in its look. The company replaced the usual Linux front end with its own streamlined "Bluecurve" interface, which looks vaguely like Windows XP scrubbed of the neon colors. It also swept the system task bar and menu largely free of redundant or useless extras, although it lacks a simple way to edit the layout of those menus (say, if you'd like to consolidate the five or so system-options entries). Red Hat's software bundle focuses on the basics: the excellent Mozilla Web browser, the OpenOffice productivity suite (which read all of the Microsoft Office files I tried), and Evolution, an application featuring e-mail, an address book and a calendar that feels like a simplified version of Microsoft Outlook. What you won't find, however, is multimedia capability beyond a few image viewers and editors. Red Hat 8 ships without any way to play MP3 files, let alone create them. The company says it's concerned about the MP3 format's licensing requirements, but those issues haven't stopped other Linux distributions from including MP3 software. (Red Hat 8 does support an open-source music format called Ogg Vorbis, but its CD-ripping program isn't set up by default to use it.) MP3 software isn't hard to find and install in the "RPM" download format Red Hat developed, but you have to know where to look. And that's the thing: Red Hat 8 gets enough of the basics right to let you go online without injuring yourself (well, provided you don't need a modem). It could serve somebody well as a basic Web, e-mail and word-processing desktop. But going beyond the basics requires a willingness to learn. For instance, Red Hat 8's included digital-camera program took hours of tweaking before it would intermittently download pictures from a Canon S100 digital camera. I still can't get the Pilot-Link program to work with a Sony Clie handheld, although an upcoming release is supposed to fix that. Non-RPM software installs, which require mastering command-line syntax, are another problem. Sometimes things work out -- copying and pasting the right commands had the ThinkPad playing back a DVD in about half an hour -- and at other times you're stymied by missing or mismatched files. And many add-on programs, unlike Red Hat's core software, come with clumsy, user-hostile interfaces designed by programmers for other programmers. Ultimately, there's no substitute for personal help from a Linux veteran, whether online or in a local user group. All this self-inflicted effort might seem like a big waste of time. Then again, so can cooking, woodworking, collecting baseball cards or many other things people do to amuse themselves, and without getting a working PC in the process. Living with technology, or trying to? E-mail Rob Pegoraro at rob(a)twp.com. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I have more hit points that you can possible imagine.

Dec. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Wesley Allen

The LAN idea would be neat, a freeswan tutorial would be nice, as I've not had time to figure out how to set it up. Wes On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 18:55, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI everybody, > > I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had > 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and > Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot > more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest > attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( > > We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few > beers. > > One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have > done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. > I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website > current (see "Past Meeting Information"). > > Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic > looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must > admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. > > Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting > out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its > coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I > know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux > world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. > > The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall > lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms > on campus. > > People have tossed out ideas such as these: > > o build a network for multiplayer Linux games > > o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to > destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) > > o more live demos! > > The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't > arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see > at future WLUG meetings. > > More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do > the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year > of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* > happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in > also. > > Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked > attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without > such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 1, 2002

Let's make WLUG meetings better!

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, I was a little disappointed at the turnout from the last WLUG meeting. We had 8 or 9 people show up, and while we did have a good time watching Scott and Doug get a couple of scanners working under Linux, it would have been alot more fun with more people in attendance. I believe this was the lowest attendance we've seen at a WLUG meeting in our 5.5 year history. :-( We discussed possible reasons for the low attendance at the Boynton over a few beers. One suggestion was that I should update the WLUG website to show what we have done at past meetings so people wouldn't think that nothing was accomplished. I've done that and will endeavor to keep that part of the WLUG website current (see "Past Meeting Information"). Another thought was that some people will only come to a meeting if the topic looks interesting to them, and if it is announced well in advance. I must admit to having been somewhat lax in that area lately. Therefore, in an attempt to remedy that (at least for this month), I'm putting out the call now for a speaker and a topic for the Dec. 12th meeting (its coming up fast!). I sent out a list of potential topics last month, but I know that there are a zilliion interesting things happening in the Linux world that could be discussed at a WLUG meeting. The meeting need not be discussion based, either! Although Kinnicutt Hall lends itself well to this type of meeting, we do have access to other rooms on campus. People have tossed out ideas such as these: o build a network for multiplayer Linux games o build a network to see if WLUG crackers can break into your system (not to destroy it, but to teach you what to fix to secure your system) o more live demos! The group exists to meet your needs, so please, state your needs! I can't arrange a meeting to your liking if I get no feedback on what you want to see at future WLUG meetings. More importantly, I'd like to see more and different people volunteer to do the presentations or to run a live demo. If you look back at the last year of WLUG meetings, you'll see the same names many times. While I'm *quite* happy that these folks continue to volunteer, I'd like to see others jump in also. Finally, if anybody has feedback regarding the last meeting and why it lacked attendees, please bring it up on the list so we can all discuss it. Without such candid discussions, WLUG cannot improve. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] more alphabet soup :-(

by Robert L Krawitz

I wound up not buying a DVD writer at all. Micro Center had a Buslink 48x12x48 (which when I opened it up turned out to be a 48x24x48) for $20, and both Micro Center and Best Buy had really good deals on CD-R's. I'm nervous enough about the mess of formats that I don't feel like spending $300 on something that might be completely worthless in 6 months. CD-R's have been around a while and are completely standard. At that price, I'll put up with the inconvenience. If I use gzip rather than bzip2 compression, I think things will be fast enough so that backups won't be that much of an annoyance. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Nov. 29, 2002

more alphabet soup :-(

by doug waud

Hi again Just got the latest PC Magazine and I note that my table of CD/DVD acronyms (plagarized from PC World) is already out of date. :-) Now we have CD-MRW where the M refers to Mount Ranier. Although "there have been no specific announcements of DVD+MRW drives yet, Phillips recently proposed an addition ... The Sony DRU-500A apparently ships with Mount Ranier. (The Mount Ranier format put a Main defect table in the Lead-in area (area outside the data area) and a copy of the defect table in the lead-out area.It also sets aside some space in the data area as a "replacement area" where date which would have landed in a bad block is put. The price is somewhat slower reads/writes and slightly reduced capacity. The gain is reliability. Non-MRW drives will need custom software to read MRW data.) doug

Nov. 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by doug waud

Robert L Krawitz wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:20:42 -0500 > From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > Type Can be written to by drives of type > > DVD-RW DVD+RW DVD-RW/+RW DVD-RAM/-R/-RW DVD-RAM/-R > > DVD-R yes no yes yes yes > DVD-RW yes no yes yes no > > Defct Mngmt Max Rewrites Seq/Rand Data/video? > > no n/a seq video > no 1000 seq data > > Why is DVD-R listed as video only, and DVD-RW as data only? > > -- > Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> As I implied in my first posting I am just passing this info on; I am not including any thought. :-) Seriously, I can't tell from the article why this is the case. They do note that "DVD-RW format leaves disk formatting up to the software .... must perform a full disk format --- which can take an hour --- before you can start writing to the disk". Perhaps they feel this investment of time is beyond the attention span of those who watch TV. :-) I can also speculate that the ability to rewrite the DVD-RW may have tipped them in favor of it for data. Perhaps all that we are seeing is the problems that arise when you try to force data into a tabular format. :-) Take your pick/and-or make your own guess! doug

Nov. 29, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:20:42 -0500 From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> Type Can be written to by drives of type DVD-RW DVD+RW DVD-RW/+RW DVD-RAM/-R/-RW DVD-RAM/-R DVD-R yes no yes yes yes DVD-RW yes no yes yes no Defct Mngmt Max Rewrites Seq/Rand Data/video? no n/a seq video no 1000 seq data Why is DVD-R listed as video only, and DVD-RW as data only? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Nov. 28, 2002

quota on RH 8.0

by Aramico

Hi All, I've got a problem here..... On RedHat 8, I tried to implement quota. I have created the aquota.user on / and the other define directory. ..and I have reconfigure the /etc/fstab and wrote the tag in order to enable the quota. When I'm tryin to run quotacheck -avug, there is a notifications as shown bellow : quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //aquota.user was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //aquota.group was probably truncated. Can't save quota settings... quotacheck: Cannot remount filesystem mounted on / read-only so counted values might not be right. Please stop all programs writing to filesystem or use -m flag to force checking. what was wrong here ? can somebody tell me how to implement the quota here ? I want to know the diffrence to the thing that I've done. Thanks.

Nov. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by doug waud

Andy Stewart wrote: > > The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many > standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle > - is > this true? > > Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? That PCWorld article I mentioned earlier in this thread has a nice table. The first step is to note that there are three pairs: DVD-R and DVD-RW DVD+R and DVD+RW CD-R and CD-RW plus one single, DVD-RAM which (so far) has no RW sibling. (I include CD's to emphasize the pattern) That article also has a table: Type Can be written to by drives of type DVD-RW DVD+RW DVD-RW/+RW DVD-RAM/-R/-RW DVD-RAM/-R DVD-R yes no yes yes yes DVD+R no yes yes no no CD-R yes yes yes yes no DVD-RW yes no yes yes no DVD+RW no yes yes no no DVD-RAM no no no yes yes CD-RW yes yes yes yes no and with same rows: Capac Cost Cartrige? Quick Format Data verifn 4.7GB $4 no n/a no 4.7 5 no n/a no 700MB 1 no n/a no 4.7 6 no optional no 4.7 7 no yes no 4.7* 15 yes** n/a*** yes 700 1 no no no and still with same rows: Defct Mngmt Max Rewrites Seq/Rand Data/video? no n/a seq video no n/a seq video no n/a seq video & data no 1000 seq data yes**** 1000 seq data yes 100,000 random data no 1000 seq data * double sided gives 9.4 GB ** disks also available w/o cartridges on a spindle *** DVD-RAM disks are preformatted **** only on Mount Ranier writes which are not supported by most drives Hope the formatting survives! :-) doug

Nov. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by Robert L Krawitz

From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 12:48:44 -0500 Well the next question is... What do you want todo... The cross post in question wants to backup large amounts of data. I would think a drive that could do DVD-RW or DVD+RW would be their choice since they could setup some sorta rotation. As for supported drives you'd want to check the cdrecord website. Actually, I *don't* want to set up a rotation. I want permanent, long-term storage. These things are pretty cheap now ($5 or thereabouts); 2-4 of these per month, plus maybe one more for weekly incrementals, isn't going to bankrupt me. Now, if you want to make backups of the DVD's that you own, or convert the VHS you've got into DVD, you'll also want a drive that can author DVD disks. However you'll want to check a site like www.vcdhelper.org they've got a good matrix of what different disks DVD players supports (such as VCD/SVCD/DVD-R/DVD-RW/etc...) Personally, I'm too disgusted at the entertainment-retail complex to really even want to bother with these things in the first place (left to myself, I wouldn't even bother owning a TV these days). -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Nov. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by Keller, Tim

Well the next question is... What do you want todo... The cross post in question wants to backup large amounts of data. I would think a drive that could do DVD-RW or DVD+RW would be their choice since they could setup some sorta rotation. As for supported drives you'd want to check the cdrecord website. Now, if you want to make backups of the DVD's that you own, or convert the VHS you've got into DVD, you'll also want a drive that can author DVD disks. However you'll want to check a site like www.vcdhelper.org they've got a good matrix of what different disks DVD players supports (such as VCD/SVCD/DVD-R/DVD-RW/etc...) Personally I've had luck making backup's of my DVD's onto DVD-R media. However this was using a mix of freeware windows utilities and Nero, I'm pretty sure that that the cdrcord-prodvd utilities it would work fine. Later, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Brian J. Conway [mailto:bconway@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 15:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media > The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many > standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle > - is this true? Yes, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM. Why share sales with a standard format when a company can make up its own DVD standard to sell and hope to take the market with? > Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? Here's a good rundown on the different types: http://www.dvformat.com/2002/03_mar/features/dvd_standards.htm Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writeable media

by Brian J. Conway

> The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many > standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle > - is this true? Yes, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, and DVD-RAM. Why share sales with a standard format when a company can make up its own DVD standard to sell and hope to take the market with? > Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? Here's a good rundown on the different types: http://www.dvformat.com/2002/03_mar/features/dvd_standards.htm Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Nov. 24, 2002

DVD writeable media

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, The message thread about DVD writers makes me think that there are many standards or types of writeable DVD media that not all drives can handle - is this true? Could somebody compare/contrast the different types? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DVD writer

by doug waud

Robert L Krawitz wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use > it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 > GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks > like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any > comments on that vs. any of the others out there? Hi First let me note that I have no direct experience here. I have been trying to follow the area and just want to tell you that the Dec 2002 PC World just reviewed it. They picked the Sony DRU-500A as their "Best buy" (and give a street price of $349). In general they note that DVD-RAM would be best if you were just doing backups. On the other hand they pick the Sony drive because it can do everything else! :-) I assume they are trying to make a recommendation for general use. They list only two drives that do DVD-RAM: Pacific Digital DVD Burner U-30116 at $299 Street and Vivastar RS-111 at $350 Both do just DVD-RAM and DVD-R They say DVD-RAM is preformatted which "manufacturers claim gives gives random access capability" and also "contain extensive defect-management and error-correction technologies, to ensure correct data storage" That's a summary, you may want to check the original article (page111) to make your own call. :-). doug

Nov. 24, 2002

Re: DVD writer

by Mark J. Dulcey

Robert L Krawitz wrote: > I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use > it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 > GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks > like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any > comments on that vs. any of the others out there? This is for a pure > Linux system. Based on the specs, it looks like THE drive to have right now. It burns every format except DVD-RAM, it will burn DVD-R discs at 4X (assuming that you can actually find any 4X blanks; they're scarce so far), and the $350 price tag seems reasonable. But it's brand new (Sony just started shipping them this week), so you're not likely to find anyone who has actually used one just yet. On the other hand, I'd like to see the DVD-RAM camp come out with a better drive. Their format is a non-player for video, but it's the best DVD-based format for data use, though DVD+RW isn't too bad. Maybe we'll see a drive that can burn all five writable DVD standards soon.

Nov. 23, 2002

DVD writer

by Robert L Krawitz

I'm thinking of getting a DVD writer. My primary intention is to use it for system backups; CD's just don't cut it any more (with about 18 GB and 11 GB respectively on my two systems). The Sony DRU-500A looks like a rather interesting one, supporting a lot of formats. Any comments on that vs. any of the others out there? This is for a pure Linux system. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Nov. 23, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Partition left 7 Gbs!

by dibb_jim＠emc.com

You are probably seeing the difference between 80 * 10^9 representation and 80 * 2^30 representation of GB. An "80 GB" drive usually is seen by an OS as having ~73 GB of space. But without stating why you think so, it's difficult to tell for sure. -----Original Message----- From: Aramico To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: 11/21/02 7:37 AM Subject: [Wlug] Partition left 7 Gbs! Hi all, I've got a Baracuda 7200 RPM 80 Gbs Seagate. I've creating the partition using fdisk on Linux RedHat. Why does it always leave 7 Gbs that not partitioned ? So, Here I have 7 Gbs space useless :( Any idea to solve this ? Thanks, _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 21, 2002

Partition left 7 Gbs!

by Aramico

Hi all, I've got a Baracuda 7200 RPM 80 Gbs Seagate. I've creating the partition using fdisk on Linux RedHat. Why does it always leave 7 Gbs that not partitioned ? So, Here I have 7 Gbs space useless :( Any idea to solve this ? Thanks,

Nov. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1]

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:18:01PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: icycle> The goal is to get rid of the separate (non-RAID) /boot partition OR icycle> make the /boot partition into a RAID1. Either one would require GRUB to icycle> read from it successfully. That works, yes. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1]

by Brett Russ

Charles R. Anderson wrote: > There are multiple RAID1 partitions on two disks, and grub is installed > to /dev/sda. I don't believe grub is mirrored across disks, though. > Since software RAID on Linux works partition-by-partition, and not on > whole disks, I don't see how you could automatically mirror the MBR > across disks. You could install grub to multiple MBR's, though, one for > each disk. It wouldn't gain you anything unless your BIOS can boot from > the other disks, though. To clarify my question, I wanted to make sure GRUB has the capability to access (for example) /boot/grub/grub.conf if /boot is not a separate partition but rather part of / which is a RAID1. As far as I know, RAID1 configured units are very similar to standard filesystems except in the superblock. It is difference between similar and the same that worries me. The goal is to get rid of the separate (non-RAID) /boot partition OR make the /boot partition into a RAID1. Either one would require GRUB to read from it successfully. thanks! Brett

Nov. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sar for Linux

by Adam Keck

I am going to try this. Thanks very much! -Adam On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Brian J. Conway wrote: > > Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics > > tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? > > I used Sysstat (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sebastien.godard/) when I was > doing my MQP involving queue management with a Linux router, it's quite > good. > > -b > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Nov. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1]

by Charles R. Anderson

icycle> I looked through all of the archives on this list as well as google icycle> searching for help. I want to make sure that GRUB supports installation icycle> on RAID1 (mirror) units. I have seen several methods to do this: Well, on a Red Hat system I have here, this works fine: #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=10 #splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz title Red Hat Linux (2.4.9-34enterprise) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.9-34enterprise ro root=/dev/md3 console=ttyS0,9600n8 initrd /initrd-2.4.9-34enterprise.img There are multiple RAID1 partitions on two disks, and grub is installed to /dev/sda. I don't believe grub is mirrored across disks, though. Since software RAID on Linux works partition-by-partition, and not on whole disks, I don't see how you could automatically mirror the MBR across disks. You could install grub to multiple MBR's, though, one for each disk. It wouldn't gain you anything unless your BIOS can boot from the other disks, though. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sar for Linux

by Brian J. Conway

> Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics > tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? I used Sysstat (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sebastien.godard/) when I was doing my MQP involving queue management with a Linux router, it's quite good. -b

Nov. 20, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Sar for Linux

by Keller, Tim

I'm not sure what distro your using, but my Redhat 7.3 box has sar installed. Tim. "It's pretty hard to 'Rage Against The Machine' when you work for the Sony Corporation" -- funny slashdot sig. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Keck [mailto:akeck@mathworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 15:25 PM To: WLUG List Subject: [Wlug] Sar for Linux Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 20, 2002

Sar for Linux

by Adam Keck

Those of you who use Solaris or AIX have access to a system statistics tool, sar. Is there any equivalent tool for Linux? -Adam "lingua machinationis creo, ergo sum" _____________________________________________ Adam Keck The Mathworks 508-647-7298 Natick, Ma www.mathworks.com FreeNIX/Backup/Unix Administrator _____________________________________________

Nov. 20, 2002

[Fwd: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1]

by Brett Russ

Can anyone on this list shed some light on my question below? Thanks, Brett -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Clarify: GRUB setup on RAID1 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:34:03 -0500 From: Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> To: bug-grub(a)gnu.org I looked through all of the archives on this list as well as google searching for help. I want to make sure that GRUB supports installation on RAID1 (mirror) units. I have seen several methods to do this: Method 1) device (hd0) /dev/hde root (hd0,0) install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst device (hd0) /dev/hdg root (hd0,0) install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst ...and so on for each device--substituting each additional RAID1 member drive in the /dev/hdX line. Method 2) echo '(hd0) /dev/md0' > /boot/grub/device.map grub-install '(hd0)' ...and so on for each (hd#) that is part of the md. Method 3) root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) ...and so on for each hd# present in the RAID1. My question is whether the /dev/hdX syntax or /dev/md# or (hd#) syntax is correct and what the significance of the value 0x8000 for the Stage 2 load address. It certainly seems like method 3 is the cleanest. And, are any of these methods considered better than the others? Thanks, Brett _______________________________________________ Bug-grub mailing list Bug-grub(a)gnu.org http://mail.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-grub

Nov. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM

by Scott Venier

On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > a) Does anybody want to demo their scanner under Linux? How about a live > install of SANE ? > OK. I"ll bite. I've got an HP OfficeJet K60 that works quite nicely under SANE. I'm afraid the demo of installing would be a bit boring... printing worked out of the box with redhat 7.3, and scanning required installing 1 rpm. I've been playing with a CGI to make scanning a bit more streamlined (and something that I can do from work when I don't feel like working). It's still a work in progress, but I can show it off too. All this and we should still be able to hit the Boytan by 7:30. :) Scott

Nov. 18, 2002

RE: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM

by Skip Gaede

Andy wrote: > This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be > held on Wednesday, > November 20, 2002 at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in > Worcester, MA. > > I'm open for topics to be discussed at this meeting. > Ideally, I'm hoping > somebody will volunteer at the last minute to talk to the > group about some > topic of interest. > e) LTSP - this one might be a bit involved if the demo was > from scratch, and > would involve around 2 or 3 computers to be useful. Does > anybody have any > experience with this? > > f) Do you have other ideas? Let the group know what they are! Hi Andy, I have, and can demo LTSP, as well as using sockets in a Linux/ Win4Lin environment to do distributed, Linux/Windows batch jobs (I have a batch job that runs perl under Linux (requires too much memory for win4lin) and three windows programs under win4lin in order to convert RTF to ThML). Rob Bellville has some Macs running LTSP at the Millbury HS, and said he'd be willing to host a WLUG meeting at the school so we could have a hands-on demo. Unfortunately, I have aconflict on Wednesdays, so can only make the Thursday meetings. Perhaps at a future date we can work something out. --Skip

Nov. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM

by Wesley Allen

I know, I know, I never come to the meetings; but I'll put in a couple of sugguestions.... How about a demo of one of the open-source pvr projects? If anyone has worked with one, that is... ***OR*** I wonder if a "patch-night" would be fun. Take a vanilla kernel, have everyone bring in their favorite patches; and people can build a custom super-kernel..... Need acpi? no problem. Need supermount? no problem (I'm a mandrake loser, sue me) Win4lin? Sure! Tpconfig? Got it right here! AMD Chip? we're compiling now Was that for PPC? Right this way.... And so on. The more I read kernel lists and such, the more I realize that I don't know half of the great kernel-patches out there; this might be a fun way to learn... Just an idea.... Wes On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 21:48, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI everybody, > > This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Wednesday, > November 20, 2002 at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. > > I'm open for topics to be discussed at this meeting. Ideally, I'm hoping > somebody will volunteer at the last minute to talk to the group about some > topic of interest. Surprisingly enough, this happens frequently and works > out well when all is said and done, so I'm not in a panic (yet). My only > problem with this is that some folks come to a meeting only if the topic is > announced in advance and it is of interest to them. > > So, what do you say, gang? Here are some ideas which I had: > > a) Does anybody want to demo their scanner under Linux? How about a live > install of SANE ? > > b) Linux software for (grand)kids - I"ve seen TuxPaint and KTuberling, there > must be others. Inquiring kids want to know! > > c) TiVO - doesn't that run Linux? Can you do any interesting hacks to the > Linux software that could be demonstrated at our meeting? > > d) MAME - some guys at work built a MAME machine. Maybe you did, too? Tell > us about it, or better yet, bring the machine to the meeting. > > e) LTSP - this one might be a bit involved if the demo was from scratch, and > would involve around 2 or 3 computers to be useful. Does anybody have any > experience with this? > > f) Do you have other ideas? Let the group know what they are! > > The "live demo" meetings have been well received in the past, especially if > some problem crops up during the demo (which makes us demo folks squirm > uncomfortably, to the amusement of the audience!). > > I hope somebody volunteers to speak at the next meeting. It'll be pretty > boring otherwise, and nobody wants that to be the case. I've been working > flat out for the last couple of months and have no time to prepare anything > for ths meeting. > > If you want to volunteer, send me or the group e-mail ASAP. You'll be glad > you did. :-) > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM

by Theo Van Dinter

On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 09:48:23PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > c) TiVO - doesn't that run Linux? Can you do any interesting hacks to the > Linux software that could be demonstrated at our meeting? Well, I won't be able to make the meeting, but if you want to see a little hack I did to my TiVo (yes, it runs Linux on a PPC processor), you can look at my homepage: http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/ It tells you what my TiVo is currently watching, as well as the listing of what it will be recording (todo), what's available to watch (now showing), and programs we told it to record (season passes). All the programming is done in TCL. I use the tivoweb software, which is essentially a webserver that interfaces with the TiVo data. I wrote/hacked together a few modules that grabs the information from the TiVo and spits it out in an easily parsible format. My linux server then grabs periodically via cron that information and puts it on the web server. :) There are some other standard modules that let you control the TiVo via web browser, etc. I really just like the fact that it uses my home broadband connection to get the daily information instead of the usual dial-up via modem. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: They can always run stderr through uniq. :-) -- Larry Wall in <199704012331.PAA16535(a)wall.org>

Nov. 17, 2002

REMINDER: Meeting Wed. Nov. 20, 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall at WPI in Worcester, MA. I'm open for topics to be discussed at this meeting. Ideally, I'm hoping somebody will volunteer at the last minute to talk to the group about some topic of interest. Surprisingly enough, this happens frequently and works out well when all is said and done, so I'm not in a panic (yet). My only problem with this is that some folks come to a meeting only if the topic is announced in advance and it is of interest to them. So, what do you say, gang? Here are some ideas which I had: a) Does anybody want to demo their scanner under Linux? How about a live install of SANE ? b) Linux software for (grand)kids - I"ve seen TuxPaint and KTuberling, there must be others. Inquiring kids want to know! c) TiVO - doesn't that run Linux? Can you do any interesting hacks to the Linux software that could be demonstrated at our meeting? d) MAME - some guys at work built a MAME machine. Maybe you did, too? Tell us about it, or better yet, bring the machine to the meeting. e) LTSP - this one might be a bit involved if the demo was from scratch, and would involve around 2 or 3 computers to be useful. Does anybody have any experience with this? f) Do you have other ideas? Let the group know what they are! The "live demo" meetings have been well received in the past, especially if some problem crops up during the demo (which makes us demo folks squirm uncomfortably, to the amusement of the audience!). I hope somebody volunteers to speak at the next meeting. It'll be pretty boring otherwise, and nobody wants that to be the case. I've been working flat out for the last couple of months and have no time to prepare anything for ths meeting. If you want to volunteer, send me or the group e-mail ASAP. You'll be glad you did. :-) Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Keith Wright wrote: > I once went to the library at the company I worked for and asked > for help finding a book. I told the librarian the color of the > book and even stated the main theorem of chapter two. Since she > was paid to be friendly and helpful to the engineers, she did > not tell me to bugger off, but I did not like the look she gave > me. To avoid a repeat of that experience, maybe you could > divulge the title? Sorry, it sticks out like a sore thumb in any section of UNIX books so I assumed it was widely known. (There's also a Linux-only version from the same people, but I'll bet its just a reprint of all the Linux stuff from the purple book.) Go to Amazon.com and search for "UNIX System Administration Handbook". -- Gary

Nov. 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Keith Wright

> From: Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> > > I haven't seen the new edition but I have the 2nd, and while it's a > certainly good book I think that the purple book is more comprehensive. I once went to the library at the company I worked for and asked for help finding a book. I told the librarian the color of the book and even stated the main theorem of chapter two. Since she was paid to be friendly and helpful to the engineers, she did not tell me to bugger off, but I did not like the look she gave me. To avoid a repeat of that experience, maybe you could divulge the title? > Hell, it has four authors! Or a few authors? -- Keith

Nov. 14, 2002

OT: 6 disc changer + tape deck 4 sale

by Karl Hiramoto

Sorry about the spam... I'm trying to get rid of my old car stereo. * Clarion ARX 5470 Tape Deck o 35 Watts * 4 Ch. (140 Watts) o AM/FM Radio o CD Controller o Detachable Face o CD Changer Controller o RCA Outputs * Clarion 6 Disc CD Changer RDC634 o Model RDC634 o 6 Disc CD Magazine (CAA-355) o Very good Skip protection o 8 X Times oversampling o Digital Filter o Dual 1 Bit DAC http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871972065&rd… -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Just because everything is different doesn't mean anything has changed. -- Irene Peter

Nov. 13, 2002

Thanks

by Pierce Barnard

Hi , I just wanted to thank all those who assisted me in getting Samba up and running. Thanks again.

Nov. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Christopher B Stank

Doh, I guess computer viruses can make your own brain do funny things! I just remembered the default config for 44bsd partition type is READ-ONLY! Thusly the following command is illegal: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 While, the following works just fine: mount -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 Thanks for the help Peter!!! /Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Bruce Stank cstank(a)nortelnetworks.com CES - Sys Test Engineering (978) 288-6185 Nortel Networks (508) 769-9664 (cel) 600 Technology Park (978) 445-5328 (pgr) M/S E65/60/301 (978) 288-4004 (fax) Billerica, MA 01821 248-6185 (esn) On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Christopher B Stank wrote: stanky>I have tried both with and without the ufstype=44bsd, and both stanky>results in the sam wrong fs type. stanky> stanky>"[root@localhost ufs]# mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 stanky>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, stanky> or too many mounted file systems" stanky> stanky>The file super.c does exist, too! stanky> stanky>/Chris stanky> stanky>

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Christopher B Stank

I have tried both with and without the ufstype=44bsd, and both results in the sam wrong fs type. "[root@localhost ufs]# mount -t ufs -o ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, or too many mounted file systems" The file super.c does exist, too! /Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Bruce Stank cstank(a)nortelnetworks.com CES - Sys Test Engineering (978) 288-6185 Nortel Networks (508) 769-9664 (cel) 600 Technology Park (978) 445-5328 (pgr) M/S E65/60/301 (978) 288-4004 (fax) Billerica, MA 01821 248-6185 (esn) On 11 Nov 2002, Peter Gutowski wrote: peter>sorry for the confusion. Here's the corrected snippet: peter> peter>I think you really need to type in 'ufstype=44bsd' and not just '44bsd' peter> peter>so your mount command probably should be: peter> peter>mount -t ufs -o ufstype=bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 peter> peter>( in your linux src directory, see fs/ufs/super.c ) peter> peter>HTH. -pg peter> peter> peter> peter>_______________________________________________ peter>Wlug mailing list peter>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org peter>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug peter>

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Peter Gutowski

sorry for the confusion. Here's the corrected snippet: I think you really need to type in 'ufstype=44bsd' and not just '44bsd' so your mount command probably should be: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 ( in your linux src directory, see fs/ufs/super.c ) HTH. -pg

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Peter Gutowski

I think you really need to type in 'ufsoption=44bsd' and not just '44bsd' so your mount command probably should be: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 ( in your linux src directory, see fs/ufs/super.c ) HTH. -pg On Monday, November 11, 2002 1:45 PM, Christopher B Stank <stanky(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: >Opps! > >When I said bsd44, I actually meant 44bsd. > >Mount options for ufs > ufstype=value > > UFS is a file system widely used in different operating >systems. The problems are differences among implementations. Features of >some implementations are undocumented, so its hard to recognize the type >of ufs automatically. That's why the user must specify the type of ufs by >mount option. Possible values are: > > old Old format of ufs, this is the default, read only. > > 44bsd For filesystems created by a BSD-like system >(NetBSD,FreeBSD,OpenBSD). > >etc. > >Sorry for any confusion! I have also tried it without the -o 44bsd and >get the same error. > >/Chris > > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Christopher B Stank

Opps! When I said bsd44, I actually meant 44bsd. Mount options for ufs ufstype=value UFS is a file system widely used in different operating systems. The problems are differences among implementations. Features of some implementations are undocumented, so its hard to recognize the type of ufs automatically. That's why the user must specify the type of ufs by mount option. Possible values are: old Old format of ufs, this is the default, read only. 44bsd For filesystems created by a BSD-like system (NetBSD,FreeBSD,OpenBSD). etc. Sorry for any confusion! I have also tried it without the -o 44bsd and get the same error. /Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Bruce Stank cstank(a)nortelnetworks.com CES - Sys Test Engineering (978) 288-6185 Nortel Networks (508) 769-9664 (cel) 600 Technology Park (978) 445-5328 (pgr) M/S E65/60/301 (978) 288-4004 (fax) Billerica, MA 01821 248-6185 (esn) On 11 Nov 2002, Peter Gutowski wrote: peter>Sometimes you gotta believe the error message. peter> peter>I've reread the mount man page and I see no reference to bsd44 as being a legal option. Have you tried issuing the command without the '-o bsd44'? peter> peter>On Monday, November 11, 2002 7:19 AM, Christopher B Stank <stanky(a)parrottech.net> wrote: peter>>Greetings All! peter>> peter>>I am having an issue when attempting to mount a bsd44 (a freebsd peter>>partition) under a base install of Redhat 8.0. peter>> peter>>The kernel is 2.4.18-14, and has loaded the ufs f/s module. peter>> peter>>The FAT looks like: peter>> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System peter>>/dev/hdc1 * 1 1912 15358108+ a5 FreeBSD peter>>/dev/hdc2 * 1913 8796 55295730 a5 FreeBSD peter>>/dev/hdc3 * 8797 9688 7164990 a5 FreeBSD peter>>/dev/hdc4 * 9689 9731 345397+ a5 FreeBSD peter>> peter>>I have attempted to mount the hdc1 partition as follows: peter>>mount -t ufs -o bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 peter>> peter>>and I get the following error: peter>>"mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, peter>> or too many mounted file systems" peter>> peter>>Does anyone have any insight as to what I am doing wrong! Any help would peter>>be greatly appreciated, as I need to get the data off these FreeBSD peter>>partitions before I format them as EXT3. peter>> peter>>Thanks in advance! peter>>/Chris peter> peter>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org peter>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug peter>> peter> peter> peter>

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Peter Gutowski

Sometimes you gotta believe the error message. I've reread the mount man page and I see no reference to bsd44 as being a legal option. Have you tried issuing the command without the '-o bsd44'? On Monday, November 11, 2002 7:19 AM, Christopher B Stank <stanky(a)parrottech.net> wrote: >Greetings All! > >I am having an issue when attempting to mount a bsd44 (a freebsd >partition) under a base install of Redhat 8.0. > >The kernel is 2.4.18-14, and has loaded the ufs f/s module. > >The FAT looks like: > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >/dev/hdc1 * 1 1912 15358108+ a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc2 * 1913 8796 55295730 a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc3 * 8797 9688 7164990 a5 FreeBSD >/dev/hdc4 * 9689 9731 345397+ a5 FreeBSD > >I have attempted to mount the hdc1 partition as follows: >mount -t ufs -o bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 > >and I get the following error: >"mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, > or too many mounted file systems" > >Does anyone have any insight as to what I am doing wrong! Any help would >be greatly appreciated, as I need to get the data off these FreeBSD >partitions before I format them as EXT3. > >Thanks in advance! >/Chris >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

Nov. 11, 2002

mounting bsd44 under RedHat

by Christopher B Stank

Greetings All! I am having an issue when attempting to mount a bsd44 (a freebsd partition) under a base install of Redhat 8.0. The kernel is 2.4.18-14, and has loaded the ufs f/s module. The FAT looks like: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdc1 * 1 1912 15358108+ a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc2 * 1913 8796 55295730 a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc3 * 8797 9688 7164990 a5 FreeBSD /dev/hdc4 * 9689 9731 345397+ a5 FreeBSD I have attempted to mount the hdc1 partition as follows: mount -t ufs -o bsd44 /dev/hdc1 /hdc1 and I get the following error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1, or too many mounted file systems" Does anyone have any insight as to what I am doing wrong! Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I need to get the data off these FreeBSD partitions before I format them as EXT3. Thanks in advance! /Chris -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher Bruce Stank cstank(a)nortelnetworks.com CES - Sys Test Engineering (978) 288-6185 Nortel Networks (508) 769-9664 (cel) 600 Technology Park (978) 445-5328 (pgr) M/S E65/60/301 (978) 288-4004 (fax) Billerica, MA 01821 248-6185 (esn)

Nov. 11, 2002

How to setup Samba

by Pierce Barnard

Hello, I am trying to configure Samba on my Suse Box to share files with my Windows ME box. Is there a webpage or document that I can use to set up Samba?

Nov. 11, 2002

RE: [Wlug] How to setup Samba

by Steve Freitag

http://www.suse.de/us/private/support/howto/samba/ http://hr.uoregon.edu/davidrl/samba.html

Nov. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] How to setup Samba

by Karl Hiramoto

http://samba.org/ or http://tldp.org/ On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Pierce Barnard wrote: > Hello, I am trying to configure Samba on my Suse Box to share files with my > Windows ME box. Is there a webpage or document that I can use to set up Samba? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Better hope you get what you want before you stop wanting it.

Nov. 11, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech? #2

by George Metz

> Well, the problem was in the firewall, but it doesn't explain > EVERYTHING that happened. > > After two hours on the phone Mon afternoon with Qwest tech support > level 2, they insisted I try ping/traceroute with the firewall > disabled. Pings moved through as expected ...hmmmm Heh. Wierd. Glad to see you got it up and running though. On the e-mail question, I've no clue unless they're all using the same hostnames; in which case, it's probably due to something along the lines of relaying being denied. As to the question of why you had connectivity for that two hours, it IS really wierd, but it's possible that the firewall wasn't running at home when you made the changes, or that for some odd reason it hadn't included the rc.firewall.blocked script upon restart... (Okay, stabbing in the dark there.) George

Nov. 9, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Marc Hughes

OK, spamassasin looks pretty damned cool ... I love the "reasons" why something is spam. -Marc SPAM: Content analysis details: (8.10 hits, 5 required) SPAM: TO_NO_USER (1.7 points) To: has no local-part before @ sign SPAM: SMTPD_IN_RCVD (1.2 points) Received via SMTPD32 server (SMTPD32-n.n) SPAM: X_PRIORITY_HIGH (0.4 points) Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high SPAM: X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH (0.4 points) Sent with 'X-Msmail-Priority' set to high SPAM: USER_AGENT_OE (0.2 points) X-Mailer header indicates a non-spam MUA (Outlook Express) SPAM: ACT_NOW (0.3 points) BODY: Act Now! Don't Hesitate! SPAM: EXCUSE_14 (0.2 points) BODY: Tells you how to stop further spam SPAM: EXCUSE_1 (0.1 points) BODY: Gives an excuse about why you were sent this spam SPAM: SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 (1.1 points) BODY: Spam phrases score is 03 to 05 (medium) SPAM: [score: 3] SPAM: BIG_FONT (0.3 points) BODY: FONT Size +2 and up or 3 and up SPAM: HTML_WITH_BGCOLOR (0.3 points) BODY: HTML mail with non-white background SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_RED (0.3 points) BODY: HTML font color is red SPAM: HTML_50_70 (0.3 points) BODY: Message is 50-70% HTML tags SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_NOHASH (0.2 points) BODY: HTML font color is missing hash ( SPAM: HTML_FONT_COLOR_BLUE (0.2 points) BODY: HTML font color is blue SPAM: MISSING_MIMEOLE (0.5 points) Message has X-MSMail-Priority, but no X-MimeOLE SPAM: CTYPE_JUST_HTML (0.4 points) HTML-only mail, with no text version -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:13 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:07:37AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > :0: > * 1^1 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com > * 1^1 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES > Badspam Oops, slight update: :0: * 1^0 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * 1^0 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam I believe they'd be functionally equivilent for you, but the first one keeps looking for matches after the first hit. The second one stops at 1 hit, so it's more efficient. :) There's a nice discussion about this stuff at: http://www.rosat.mpe-garching.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/1998-01/msg0 0335.html :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for mission critical applications. It's not even intended for non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be entrusted to Wolverine, as it may eat it and make loud belching noises." - RedHat Beta release "Wolverine"

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:48:14AM -0500, Marc Hughes wrote: HughesM> This will do an AND between the two conditions ... Is there an easy way HughesM> to OR between them? ... Or do I need to make a separate rule for each HughesM> and every condition? And an even further note... What are the thoughts HughesM> on some of these anti-spam tools that work with procmail? Any HughesM> favorites? They are just perl regexps, so you can use '|' * (^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com)|(^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES) Another useful feature is the 'E'lse tag, which executes only if the previous rule did NOT match: :0: * ^From: president(a)whitehouse.gov vip :0E: non-vip -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 10:07:37AM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > :0: > * 1^1 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com > * 1^1 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES > Badspam Oops, slight update: :0: * 1^0 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * 1^0 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam I believe they'd be functionally equivilent for you, but the first one keeps looking for matches after the first hit. The second one stops at 1 hit, so it's more efficient. :) There's a nice discussion about this stuff at: http://www.rosat.mpe-garching.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/1998-01/msg0033… :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "This is a beta release of Red Hat Linux. It is not intended for mission critical applications. It's not even intended for non-mission critical applications. Important data should not be entrusted to Wolverine, as it may eat it and make loud belching noises." - RedHat Beta release "Wolverine"

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:48:14AM -0500, Marc Hughes wrote: > :0: > * ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com > * ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES > Badspam > > This will do an AND between the two conditions ... Is there an easy way > to OR between them? ... Or do I need to make a separate rule for each There's a way, although it's really not straightforward... One of my old procmail-only anti-spam rules looked for 8-bit chars in the body: :0BDfh * -1^1 . * 2^1 =[0-9A-F][0-9A-F] * 20^1 [��] * 20^1 [��] * 20^1 [��] * 20^1 =[A-F][0-9A-F] | formail -A "X-Reject: Too many foreign charcters." (from http://www.vex.net/~wadialix/email/chinese/link.html) Which basically says that for any 8 bit char, add 20 "points" to the rule. If there's a quoted-printable char (=XX), add 2 points, and for anything else add -1 points. As long as the rule scores 1+ points (ie: it's positive), it matches. So an or for you would be: :0: * 1^1 ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * 1^1 ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam I belive, haven't tested it. :) Look at the procmailsc man page for more info. > and every condition? And an even further note... What are the thoughts > on some of these anti-spam tools that work with procmail? Any > favorites? SpamAssassin, hands down. :) http://www.spamassassin.org/ Sucessfully catches >98% of the spam I receive, currently at ~2100 a month (with ~5000 blocked at the SMTP level, grrr, stupid spammers!) I used to do a lot of procmail stuff, and now it's just SA. (warning: I'm a SA developer, so I'm a little biased. ;)) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbour's newspaper, that's the time to do it." - Zen Musings

Nov. 8, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Marc Hughes

With the locking (:0:) all seems to work now. I'm guessing it's because I have an IMAP connection open to the mailbox while I receive the new email and it get's processed. While we're talking about procmail... A second question: :0: * ^From.*jenny(a)axte84\.com * ^Subject.*MILLION OPT-IN EMAIL ADDRESSES Badspam This will do an AND between the two conditions ... Is there an easy way to OR between them? ... Or do I need to make a separate rule for each and every condition? And an even further note... What are the thoughts on some of these anti-spam tools that work with procmail? Any favorites? Thanks a lot guys, -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:21 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Peter Gutowski wrote: > According to the man page the second ":" is optional, i.e. > > :0: > > but, as a sample of something known to work (from the SpamAssassin > sample .procmailrc) it does use the above syntax. Here's the example: > > So maybe the second ":" is not optional all the time? Just so we're all clear, the second ":" tells procmail that is needs to lock the file before writing to avoid corrupted mailboxes. So it's a good idea if you're writing to a mailbox, but isn't actually required, especially if you're writing to /dev/null or something. I didn't see anything wrong offhand with the procmail rules shown. Can we see the header of an example mail which doesn't work with the original but works with the carbon copy method? (and by work, just to double check, we're talking about the message going into the "test" folder). -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision." - From www.slashdot.org

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Peter Gutowski wrote: > According to the man page the second ":" is optional, i.e. > > :0: > > but, as a sample of something known to work (from the SpamAssassin sample .procmailrc) it does use the above syntax. Here's the example: > > So maybe the second ":" is not optional all the time? Just so we're all clear, the second ":" tells procmail that is needs to lock the file before writing to avoid corrupted mailboxes. So it's a good idea if you're writing to a mailbox, but isn't actually required, especially if you're writing to /dev/null or something. I didn't see anything wrong offhand with the procmail rules shown. Can we see the header of an example mail which doesn't work with the original but works with the carbon copy method? (and by work, just to double check, we're talking about the message going into the "test" folder). -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary not to make a decision." - From www.slashdot.org

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by jkinz＠rcn.com

On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 08:45:58AM -0500, Marc Hughes wrote: > I have a procmail question.... I have this rule: > I dpn't know if this is the problem , but you're missing the ending colon on the first line of this provcmail rule. :-) > :0 > * ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com > test Instead of : > :0 Try: > :0 : -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. "jkinz(a)ultranet.com" "jkinz(a)rcn.com" copyright 2002. Use is restricted. Any use is an acceptance of the offer at http://users.rcn.com/jkinz/policy.html. (o- -o) //\ eLviintuaxbilse /\\ V_/_ _\_V

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Procmail Question

by Peter Gutowski

According to the man page the second ":" is optional, i.e. :0: but, as a sample of something known to work (from the SpamAssassin sample .procmailrc) it does use the above syntax. Here's the example: # Mails with a score of 15 or higher are almost certainly spam (with 0.05% # false positives according to rules/STATISTICS.txt). Let's put them in a # different mbox. (This one is optional.) :0: * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* mail/almost-certainly-spam The above *does* work on my system (RHL8.0). So maybe the second ":" is not optional all the time? HTH, Peter On Friday, November 8, 2002 8:45 AM, Marc Hughes <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> wrote: >I have a procmail question.... I have this rule: > >:0 >* ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com >test > >That doesn't seem to work. But this rule... > >:0c >* ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com >test > >... Works just fine ... But I want the first rule, I don't want it to >copy (what the :0c does) I want it to move (:0) Am I doing something >wrong? > >Thanks! >-Marc > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Peter Gutowski <peter(a)linuxchamps.com> // tel.: (413) 531-0123 "When in company, put not your hands to any part of the body not usually discovered." --George Washington, _Rules for Civility and Decent Behavior_

Nov. 8, 2002

Procmail Question

by Marc Hughes

I have a procmail question.... I have this rule: :0 * ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com test That doesn't seem to work. But this rule... :0c * ^From:.*hughesm@tomsnyder.com test ... Works just fine ... But I want the first rule, I don't want it to copy (what the :0c does) I want it to move (:0) Am I doing something wrong? Thanks! -Marc

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Clint Moyer wrote: > I'm more interested in the November 20th speaker who's the > author of the best Unix book ever. (Now in it's 3rd > edition.) I haven't seen the new edition but I have the 2nd, and while it's a certainly good book I think that the purple book is more comprehensive. Hell, it has four authors! -- Gary

Nov. 8, 2002

RE: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Steve Freitag

> From: Keith Wright > > Depending on what you're trying to do, you might also want > > to check out Cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ > > > > "Cygwin is a UNIX environment, developed by Red Hat, for Windows." > > Well that's in quotes, so it's just a character string, > but lest somebody mistake it for an assertion... [ rant/history lesson deleted for those with slow modems :-) ] For the curious, the quotes were indicating a direct quote from (the top of) http://www.cygwin.com Perhaps not the best choice of wording... considering all the individuals (besides Red Hat/Cygnus) who have helped make cygwin possible. For even earlier history of GNU software on DOS check here: http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/history.html http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/eli-m17n99.html

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] gnome desktop menus?

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 06:47:48PM -0500, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > hi again, > > This is strange because gmenu is one of the core programs of gnome. Of gnome v1, yes - not of gnome v2. I actually haven't yet found a way to get equivalent functionality out of gnome v2... -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy | There are no threads in a.b.p.erotica, so there's no gain in using a threaded news reader. (Unknown source)

Nov. 8, 2002

Re: [Wlug] gnome desktop menus?

by Baris Hasdemir

hi again, This is strange because gmenu is one of the core programs of gnome. But you can do this way too. those entries on the panel are some .desktop files and here is what Internet/Galeon.desktop entry has in it: penguen@penguen:~$ cat /usr/share/gnome/apps/Internet/galeon.desktop [Desktop Entry] Name=Galeon Comment=Galeon Web Browser Exec=galeon Terminal=0 Type=Application Icon=galeon.png penguen@penguen:~$ Name and Exec entries are enough, though. simply creating a .desktop file in the directory (in my case /usr/share/gnome/apps) will put a new entry on the panel menu. best wishes, baris On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Baris, > > I can't find any gmenu command or file in the Red Hat distro. > > Thanks, > Bill >

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] gnome desktop menus?

by Bill Mills-Curran

Baris, I can't find any gmenu command or file in the Red Hat distro. Thanks, Bill On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:20:41 -0500 > From: Baris Hasdemir <penguen(a)hasdemir.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] gnome desktop menus? > > hi, > > did you try > $ gmenu > and > # gmenu > > best wishes, > baris > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) > Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > > I've installed RedHat 8.0 on my system, and I've decided to finally > > wean myself from fvwm2 and use the default setup. I've been poking > > around trying to figure out how to add entries to the panel menus. > > There doesn't seem to be a gui interface to do it. (There is a gui to > > add stuff to the desktop and to the panel, but not the menus.) I > > suspect that the secret handshake is contained in /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/ > > directories, but I haven't found the secret decoder ring to help > > figure out the right way to do this. > > > > My main motivation is to add some favorite applications to the menus > > for my family. They are not about to use the command line. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > TIA, > > Bill > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Wesley Allen

YES!!! On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 10:00, Keller, Tim wrote: > A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick will be speaking at > Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. > > Thought you might find that tidbit a bit interesting... > > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Clint Moyer

I'm more interested in the November 20th speaker who's the author of the best Unix book ever. (Now in it's 3rd edition.) http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/esa3/ On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:04:05 -0500 (EST) Michelle Vadeboncoeur <mrv(a)kluge.net> wrote: >On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > >KT> A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick >will be speaking at >KT> Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. > >http://www.softpro.com/events.html > >You can also subscribe to Softpro Book's email >notification list of >upcoming events on that page... > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > <TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60">

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Karl Hiramoto

I went to see him Last night in Burlington. It was very interesting. I would recommend anyone who follows the hacker culture to go. The "lost chapter" of his book that was removed prior to publishing is at: http://wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56187,00.html Mitnick links: http://www.albany.net/~dsissman/mitnick.html or just go to google and search Kevin Mitnick. On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > > KT> A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick will be speaking at > KT> Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. > > http://www.softpro.com/events.html > > You can also subscribe to Softpro Book's email notification list of > upcoming events on that page... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I'll be Grateful when they're Dead.

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: KT> A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick will be speaking at KT> Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. http://www.softpro.com/events.html You can also subscribe to Softpro Book's email notification list of upcoming events on that page...

Nov. 7, 2002

Kevin Mitnick speaking at Marlboro Softpro tonight...

by Keller, Tim

A buddy of mine just let me know that Kevin Mitnick will be speaking at Softpro books in Marlboro @6:30pm. Thought you might find that tidbit a bit interesting... Tim.

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Brian J. Conway

> Does WLUG have a pedant klaxon? We need something with a rotating light, Please, no. If we did, anyone that used it would most certainly start ranting about "GNU/Linux", and then we would have to kill them. -b

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:37:09AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:22:51AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: > kwright> It predates RedHat by about five years. > > There is no such company as RedHat. It is Red Hat, Inc., or > just Red Hat. Does WLUG have a pedant klaxon? We need something with a rotating light, and a strobe, that goes "Wooooo, woooo! Pedant alert!" I mean we could only use it at meetings, but I could imagine it on the mailing list, or maybe someone could make a little java applet, or something. -Chuck

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celibration

by Karl Hiramoto

I bet the hax0rs 0wn3rs of the box keep it up and running just fine :) On 6 Nov 2002, Michael Kingsbury wrote: > Wish I had a way of proving it for you guys, but we had a MS SQL 7.0 > server running NT 4.0 that was up for approx 2 years at my last job. > Our NT admin was wary about rebooting it due to the fact he never > touched it since he started working there less than two years ago and > never had to administer much on it.... > > (Not that I like MS products much better than anything else, but there > are exceptions to the rule.) > > -mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The trouble with computers is that they do what you tell them, not what you want. -- D. Cohen

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celibration

by Bill Smith

On 06 Nov 2002 23:39:05 -0500 Michael Kingsbury <mike(a)beakerware.net> wrote: MK> Wish I had a way of proving it for you guys, but we had a MS SQL 7.0 MK> server running NT 4.0 that was up for approx 2 years at my last job. MK> MK> Our NT admin was wary about rebooting it due to the fact he never MK> touched it since he started working there less than two years ago MK> and never had to administer much on it.... MK> MK> (Not that I like MS products much better than anything else, but MK> there are exceptions to the rule.) ...and I'm sure you've all heard about the Novell server at the University of North Carolina that was found behind a wall after four years (that's 1460 days, give-or-take), right? if you haven't, there's a link to the story here: http://content.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010409S0012 you have to admit, that's pretty admirable for a box that got sealed behind drywall.... <g> can't imagine what it did for ventilation... naturally, i am not foolish enough to consider Novell over a *nix box, but i just had to say that before certain people thought otherwise. <gd&r> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com He who spins a web of trickery must expect to end up caught. * TAG! v3.1 *

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:22:51AM -0500, Keith Wright wrote: kwright> It predates RedHat by about five years. There is no such company as RedHat. It is Red Hat, Inc., or just Red Hat. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Keith Wright

> From: "Steve Freitag" <stevef(a)ma.ultranet.com> > > Depending on what you're trying to do, you might also want > to check out Cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ > > "Cygwin is a UNIX environment, developed by Red Hat, for Windows." Well that's in quotes, so it's just a character string, but lest somebody mistake it for an assertion... Cygwin was developed by Cygnus Support, a company that was founded (at least in part) by John Gilmore of EFF fame. It predates RedHat by about five years. The made money selling support services for GNU software (hence the name cyGNUs). In addition to Cygwin, they did some work on gcc, and hosted the guile project for a while (Guile is GNU Scheme). They were bought by RedHat shortly after the RedHat IPO had them rolling in cash. I don't mean to get too pedantic, but next someone will be telling me that Microsoft developed DOS, and I'll have to really rant. Typing http://www.cygnus.com/ just takes you to RedHat, but http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/cygnus_1999/redhat-cygnus111599.html gives RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C. and SUNNYVALE, CA---November 15, 1999---Red Hat®, Inc. (Nasdaq: RHAT), the market leader in open source solutions, and privately-held Cygnus Solutions, today announced that they have signed a definitive merger agreement, whereby Red Hat will acquire Cygnus in a transaction valued at $674 million based on Red Hat's Friday, November 12 closing price. About Cygnus Solutions ----- ------ --------- Cygnus Solutions, a leader in open source software and an innovating force in Internet software infrastructure, offers software development platforms based on an open source model. Cygnus development tools cover more than 125 host-target combinations for embedded microprocessors and are supported by one of the most experienced teams of engineers delivering custom-engineering services and developer support to top companies worldwide. Founded in 1989, Cygnus pioneered the commercialization of open source software. About Red Hat, Inc. ----- --- --- --- Founded in 1994, Red Hat (NASDAQ:RHAT) is the market leader in open source operating system (OS) software, services and information.

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celibration

by Michael Kingsbury

On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 13:43, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > #uptime > 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, > > > Eat that Micro$oft :) > Wish I had a way of proving it for you guys, but we had a MS SQL 7.0 server running NT 4.0 that was up for approx 2 years at my last job. Our NT admin was wary about rebooting it due to the fact he never touched it since he started working there less than two years ago and never had to administer much on it.... (Not that I like MS products much better than anything else, but there are exceptions to the rule.) -mike

Nov. 7, 2002

Re: [Wlug] gnome desktop menus?

by Baris Hasdemir

hi, did you try $ gmenu and # gmenu best wishes, baris On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've installed RedHat 8.0 on my system, and I've decided to finally > wean myself from fvwm2 and use the default setup. I've been poking > around trying to figure out how to add entries to the panel menus. > There doesn't seem to be a gui interface to do it. (There is a gui to > add stuff to the desktop and to the panel, but not the menus.) I > suspect that the secret handshake is contained in /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/ > directories, but I haven't found the secret decoder ring to help > figure out the right way to do this. > > My main motivation is to add some favorite applications to the menus > for my family. They are not about to use the command line. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > TIA, > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Nov. 6, 2002

gnome desktop menus?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've installed RedHat 8.0 on my system, and I've decided to finally wean myself from fvwm2 and use the default setup. I've been poking around trying to figure out how to add entries to the panel menus. There doesn't seem to be a gui interface to do it. (There is a gui to add stuff to the desktop and to the panel, but not the menus.) I suspect that the secret handshake is contained in /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/ directories, but I haven't found the secret decoder ring to help figure out the right way to do this. My main motivation is to add some favorite applications to the menus for my family. They are not about to use the command line. Does anyone have any suggestions? TIA, Bill

Nov. 6, 2002

RE: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Steve Freitag

> My goal is to run linux with win2k as a virtual machine > for the few work related things I need. Depending on what you're trying to do, you might also want to check out Cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ "Cygwin is a UNIX environment, developed by Red Hat, for Windows." It's not an x86 emulator/vmware clone, but it has a lot of the UNIX/Linux tools.

Nov. 6, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech? #2

by Richard Goodman

> > >> Firewall is based on IPChains firewall from Ziegler's book "Linux >> Firewalls" 1st ed, which denies all then allows as needed. I've >> triple-checked the firewall -- the only non-comment changes made were >> all added ACCEPT statements, all cut&pasted from the Home firewall. >> There are no IP-specific denies that I added to the firewall - and I >> haven't updated rc.firewall.blocked in months. > >Sounds like you're further up on Linux firewalling than I am, actually. For >myself, I run a modified Linux Router Project disk image, and let NAT and >Portsentry take care of most of my issues. If you say it's clean, then it >must be clean. Understand though, the techs will NEVER believe this. At ALL. >If you made changes to a firewall and then you couldn't access, it's >Somebody Else's Problem, and that's their professional opinion. (I should >know, I was one. :) ) > Well, the problem was in the firewall, but it doesn't explain EVERYTHING that happened. After two hours on the phone Mon afternoon with Qwest tech support level 2, they insisted I try ping/traceroute with the firewall disabled. Pings moved through as expected ...hmmmm I'd been through the firewall code so many times I just about had it memorized, so I decided to look at the file rc.firewall.blocked which it reads, which has of a list of IPChains statements blocking IP#s (which the main firewall doesn't do). I hadn't really updated this much recently, because when someone started banging on the firewall, it was tough to know if it was a static IP or not. Anyways ... found TWO entries that were <Home IP#>/24 and <Home network>/24 ... basically the same thing. Don't remember putting THOSE in there <g> When I rebuilt the last hacked machine (EFO) I copied rc.firewall and rc.firewall.blocked from the home machine, because I couldn't read the copies I'd backed up from EFO.... so the block against the Home IP was at both ends of the link. The only mystery is why everything worked for two hours Friday night before I reloaded the EFO firewall -- because the rc.firewall.blocked file hadn't been changed in more than a week, and had already been loaded with the firewall when I first brought up the EFO server on Friday. Now if I could get any takers on finding out why none of my servers can send email to each other (but only each other) since they were upgrade from RH7.0 to RH7.3 (sendmail 8.11.6) I'll be all set. [Email to list 10/31] Dick

Nov. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:54:51PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: andystewart> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ WINE is worth looking into as well. WINE Is Not an Emulator, but a reimplementation of the Win32 ABI. http://www.winehq.org/

Nov. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 05 November 2002 6:58 pm, twg3(a)attbi.com wrote: > Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of > x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? > > It seems that the plex86 project has moved, and I can not > find out much info on status of software - ie how usable > etc.???? You might try this link also: http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 05 November 2002 6:58 pm, twg3(a)attbi.com wrote: > Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of > x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? Try this website: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/plex86 Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 6, 2002

x86 emulation/vmare clone

by twg3＠attbi.com

Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? It seems that the plex86 project has moved, and I can not find out much info on status of software - ie how usable etc.???? My goal is to run linux with win2k as a virtual machine for the few work related things I need.

Nov. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:05:46PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> Also HPUX... Tim.Keller> 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 Tim.Keller> I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) That doesn't count. It isn't running Linux. My HP 9000 J210, dual processor 120 MHz IS running Linux: cra@puffin:~$ uptime Unknown HZ value! (16) Assume 100. 11:13:17 up 298 days, 18:12, 1 user, load average: 3.01, 3.02, 3.00 :P -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, Thanks once again. I tried installing Xvfb but I'm getting the error message: Xlib: Connection "localhost:1" refused by the server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to the server xhost:Unable to open display "localhost:1". I'd appreciate your sugestions on this issue. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > > >> > same > > > > >>program is > > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > > >>fails > > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > >> > on which it > > > > >>used > > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > > >> > something > > > > >>may > > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Peram > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>-- > > > > >> > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >> > > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

Nov. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by George Metz

> -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of doug waud > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:26 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration > > > Hi all > > My firewall box was going fine for about a > year before one of my grandkids turned it > off! :-) / :-( Heh. Didn't even think of my firewall; my server I have to bounce every once in a while because I was cheap on the hardware for it. :) Paltry compared to the rarified heights of those HP-UX boxen, but: Veil# uptime 01:31:29 up 124 Days (2980h), load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 Veil# uname -a Linux Veil 2.2.18 #1 Fri Dec 15 23:32:10 EST 2000 i386 unknown Veil# Not bad. Though it's just a P60 with 24 megs of mem and no hard drive. :)

Nov. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by doug waud

Hi all My firewall box was going fine for about a year before one of my grandkids turned it off! :-) / :-( doug

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Karl Hiramoto

With linux I find that the kernel moves so fast that I'm frequently rebooting just to upgrage kernels. sigh. I never now now that the DMCA prevents us americans from knowing what our security risk is. Upgrade just to be safe.. On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I that was the oldest... my coworker just corrected me... > > Also HPUX... > > ispolo5# uptime > 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 > ispolo5# > > I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 14:03 PM > To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' > Subject: RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration > > > ispolo2# uptime > 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 > > Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... > > ispolo2# uname -a > HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license > > I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did > it in... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration > > > > #uptime > 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, > > > Eat that Micro$oft :) > > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight.

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Keller, Tim

I that was the oldest... my coworker just corrected me... Also HPUX... ispolo5# uptime 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 ispolo5# I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 14:03 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Keller, Tim

ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celibration

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:43:43PM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > #uptime > 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Hmm.. 100 days is not nearly uncommon. Before there's a flood of "check out MY uptime" mails, can I suggest that the minimum threshold be 730 days (2 years)? ;) THAT I'd like to hear about. -Chuck

Nov. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celibration

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 01:43:43PM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > #uptime > 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, :) congrats. BTW: I don't think I posted this here yet: I'm the sysadmin for BBLISA, and had to reboot the server a few months ago. At the time, "uptime" reported: 1:02pm up 236 days, 17:53, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.18, 0.20 However, there is a "bug" in the Linux kernel which wraps the uptime counter after 400-something days. Here's the information from the root partition superblock. ;) Filesystem UUID: 5bdddb0e-1213-11d4-9f43-00400550fefc Filesystem magic number: 0xEF53 Filesystem OS type: Linux Last mount time: Tue Aug 15 17:40:11 2000 Last write time: Mon Aug 19 13:01:00 2002 Last checked: Tue Aug 15 17:40:08 2000 Check interval: 15552000 (6 months) Next check after: Sun Feb 11 16:40:08 2001 So 2 years and almost 4 days of straight uptime... <sigh> -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "If it works, don't mess with it" - School Graduate

Nov. 4, 2002

uptime celibration

by Karl Hiramoto

#uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight.

Nov. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs in redhat 6.2

by Tom Guilderson

Peram, the top of the stack indicates that the java class loader can not find a particular class needed by java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment() Looking quickly at the javadocs for this - GraphicsEnvirpnment refers to the rendering target of the Graphics2D object. Most likely this method expects to find a target - meaning not only a configured X server - but a running X-server??? Was the X server running on the other machine when you weblogic server was running? If so start X on the other machine, then start weblogic and see what happens. If it is not that - then the problem is that one of the native X windows libraries is missing. If you figure out which java_vm binary is being executed (probably $JAVA_HOME/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java_vm, then runn ldd against it to see what libraries it relies on - and it will also tell you which it can not find - the two X libraries it is looking for are most likely libX11 and LibXt - make sure both are installed. If you already solved the problem - I would be interested in hearing what it is. One last thought - Have you looked at the servlet code - specifically the makeGraph() method? That is the last method in your code I can see on the stack (the rest are awt stuff) to see if there is any references to a display target? On Tuesday 29 October 2002 17:03, Sudhaker P wrote: > Hi Tim, > Thanks for the reply. > The version of JDK differ the version I'm having issues with is 1.3.1_01 > and the ones the code is running successfully is 1.3.0_02, however the > graphs were being produced before. > The following is the Weblogic log which I'd appreciate if you can look at > and tell what could be the issue in your view: > java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > at > java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironmen >t.java:58) at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown Source) > at > com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknown > Source) > at > jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > at > weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.jav >a:123) at > weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextIm >pl.java:761) at > weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextIm >pl.java:708) at > weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContex >tManager.java:252) at > weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) > at > weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > I've done some reading and feel that awt uses X-windows and I think that > might be broken. > > I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Peram > > > > > > > From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: "'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of > >graphs in redhat 6.2 > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:45:42 -0500 > > > >Peram, > > > >I'll ask an obvious question... You've verified that both machines running > >the same version of the java run time environment? > > > >Also, does the entire applet fail or does it just fail to display the > >graph. > >If so, you might have to insert some code to catch exceptions... Possibly > >some library has gotten mangled... > > > >Hope that helps, > >Tim. > > > >-----Original Message----- > > From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 14:35 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of > >graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > > >Hi , > >I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same program > >is > > > >able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 but it > > fails to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > which it used > > > >to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that something may > >broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't seem to > >help. > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in this issue with your > >comments and suggestions. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech? #2

by George Metz

Reply's interspersed: > I just brought up my fourth RH7.3 server Friday afternoon (one of two > RH7.0 servers that had been hacked-new hard drive and software). I > then went home and spent a couple of hours connected to it with ssh > on a workstation connected to my home RH7.3 server. > > When I went to rerun a slightly modified (open ports for ftp and > internal dhcp twiddling) ipchains firewall I lost the connection, > and, more than 16 hours later, don't have it back. Smells like a typo referencing - specifically - Home's IP address or block, based on this. Double and triple check your firewall configs as a first step. If those are clean: > Home and EFO are on the same ISP and each has a block of 4 static > IPs. The blocks share the first 18 bits of their IP#s. Above tidbit might be important later. And actually, they're listing in your config as blocks of 8, with 6 useable. > Home now cannot connect to EFO via ssh, or access its web site. Pings > are disabled on all my servers - so I can't do that test. I STRONGLY recommend that you re-enable ping on both Home and EFO servers in order to perform this test. Firstly, it's really difficult to pingflood a box these days, second, it's a pretty darned useful indicator. This can be gotten around though, so if you're leery - say, you've been pingflooded recently - then skip it. Run a traceroute to Home from EFO and to EFO from Home. That will tell you, at the very least, where the traffic is dying. > EFO network workstations can browse the web; I can ping out from the > EFO linux box or workstations, and can ping EFO's Cisco 678 router > from its Linux box All good here. > EFO workstations cannot access Home websites (but I had not tried > this before since rebuilding EFO Linux box Most likely a symptom of the overall problem, but don't forget to test again. > Home Cisco 678 cannot be pinged from Home Linux box (!) or EFO (Linux > or workstation), but can be pinged from my office (Linux box on other > ISP). Uh... Houston, we have a problem. If the tech IS being straight with you, then the issue has to be on both sites, but one site is severely impairing the other. > >From my office workstation I can also ssh to EFO and access > EFO website (which in fact I uploaded to the new server from my > office today). Does this discount the possibility of a firewall issue? Not even remotely. All it proves out is that there's no rule in the firewall to block access from your office's IP addresses. There still might be a rule in place to block access to and/or from one site to the other. Note also that this is really easy to do accidentally, because one word change can totally break the intended rule. I'll let someone with more IPChains/IPTables experience help with that one. > I spent countless hours talking to the ISP (Qwest) tech support, and > over an hour with a senior tech who had some Linux knowledge, and he > claims that it must be a configuration issue on one or both of my > Home and EFO Linux boxes, since: > > He can login to both my Cisco routers and ping the other router - > he claims this proves its not a Qwest routing problem. Provisionally, this is correct. The provision has to do with whether or not the tech just ran "ping -c 100 ip.for.efo.site" or if he actually did the CORRECT thing and sourced it off of your Ethernet interface on the router. If Qwest is misrouting your allocation, all sorts of things can go wonky. The only way to test that would be to source off the ethernet IP address from both routers to the same. A straight ping will simply do the WAN IP, which (of course) is routed correctly on Qwest's network. I'm not sure about the Cisco 678s, since I never crawled around in one, but if it's running a standard flavor of Cisco IOS, he should be able to source it off of just about anything he wants to. If he's a senior tech with a clue, it's entirely possible that he did source off the ethernet interface, in which case it's back to config issue. > If he's right I'm still puzzled by two things: > a) Why could I connect from Home to EFO for two hours last night, > no problems? > b) Why can't the Home Linux box ping the Cisco 678 directly > connected to it? The former is simple; most likely the error causing the issue was introduced when you made whatever changes you did. The latter has all sorts of interesting possibilities, but there's no way of knowing without having access to both the 678 and the linux box and about an hour to monkey around. I note that you don't mention whether or not Home can access The World At Large, though you do mention it with the EFO site. Also, as I mentioned above, you're showing as having an assigned block of 8 IPs, of which 6 are normally useable. Knock out one for the router, and that leaves 5 assignable. Since 4 IPs is a little wierd, are you sure that you don't have either more and Qwest is just being stubborn, or perhaps they've routed them differently? Others will probably have an idea or two as well, but this to me just screams config error. Which might be why the tech was convinced of it. =)

Nov. 3, 2002

Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech? #2

by Richard Goodman

My apologies for the HTML, it was not intentional. I was trying to make part of the email more (not less) readable. I've changed options so hopefully it will never happen again. ======== I just brought up my fourth RH7.3 server Friday afternoon (one of two RH7.0 servers that had been hacked-new hard drive and software). I then went home and spent a couple of hours connected to it with ssh on a workstation connected to my home RH7.3 server. When I went to rerun a slightly modified (open ports for ftp and internal dhcp twiddling) ipchains firewall I lost the connection, and, more than 16 hours later, don't have it back. Other relevant details. (let's call the servers Home and EFO) Home was the other hacked server, and was formatted and rebuilt last weekend. Home and EFO are on the same ISP and each has a block of 4 static IPs. The blocks share the first 18 bits of their IP#s. Home could connect to EFO last night Home now cannot connect to EFO via ssh, or access its web site. Pings are disabled on all my servers - so I can't do that test. EFO network workstations can browse the web; I can ping out from the EFO linux box or workstations, and can ping EFO's Cisco 678 router from its Linux box EFO workstations cannot access Home websites (but I had not tried this before since rebuilding EFO Linux box Home Cisco 678 cannot be pinged from Home Linux box (!) or EFO (Linux or workstation), but can be pinged from my office (Linux box on other ISP). >From my office workstation I can also ssh to EFO and access EFO website (which in fact I uploaded to the new server from my office today). Does this discount the possibility of a firewall issue? I spent countless hours talking to the ISP (Qwest) tech support, and over an hour with a senior tech who had some Linux knowledge, and he claims that it must be a configuration issue on one or both of my Home and EFO Linux boxes, since: He can login to both my Cisco routers and ping the other router - he claims this proves its not a Qwest routing problem. If he's right I'm still puzzled by two things: a) Why could I connect from Home to EFO for two hours last night, no problems? b) Why can't the Home Linux box ping the Cisco 678 directly connected to it? I knew nothing about routing before today - here's the Home routing table: route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface xxx.yyy.28.48 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 xxx.yyy.28.54 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 I tried the following but still could not access EFO (added just the EFO IP#, not the network block: #route add -host xxx.yyy.26.57 dev eth0 # route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface xxx.yyy.26.57 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 xxx.yyy.28.48 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 xxx.yyy.28.54 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 Is this enough if to decide if the tech is right or crazy? Any suggestions - I still can't access Home from/to EFO. Dick

Nov. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Looking for networking information

by Brett Russ

> Hi, I recently acquired another pc and I want to incorporate it into my > home network. Does anyone know of a website that has information on how to > install and operate a windows based pc on a network? And I am looking for > more information on networking in general. See the linux doc. project website, particularly the guides section here: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html where you will find the Network Administrators Guide which is pretty informative. -Brett

Nov. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] ticked at netgear

by Wes Allen

Good advice, never tell them you're using linux. Actually, it is not a hardware problem (though it sure looked like one). Mandrake issued a new version of initscripts that "fixed" wireless network link problems. And I installed it, however, I never rebooted my machine and the interface was already up, so I didn't notice the problem until this afternoon when I turned on my laptop. I read the comments for the updates and found the issue. Updates that break things, I'm having windows flash-backs. Wes On Saturday 02 November 2002 5:42 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Hi gang, > I've got a ma401 card from netgear. It worked beautifully under linux > (better than in windows even). Today I switch on my laptop, and I no > longer get a link to my network with the card. I figure I must've had a > power glitch and my firewall isn't giving out dhcp address, so I restart > it. Still no link. I check the settings of my wireless router, all good. > I boot my desktop to see if my usb wireless card works, it does. None of > my settings on my laptop have changed, I checked. I tweak with iwconfig > until my hands are sore, no luck. So I finally call netgear because I > figure that it is a hardware issue and I need to send in the card to have > at least the antenna replaced. Tech support says, "I'm sorry but we can > only trouble-shoot on windows so we can't help you." I tell them, "It's > not a software issue, nothing has changed with my software from last night, > everything is the same, the card is not picking up the link from the > router, it's not functioning, it's a hardware issue..." They say, "But we > need to troubleshoot in windows." I say, "Look, I've turned encryption on > and off, I've tried different modes, I've tried different channels, I've > turned rts and frag on and off [note: now it's not accepting values, > another clue that this is a hardware problem]. Nothing works, your card is > broken and I want to send it in." I'm told to hold. "I'm sorry, we cannot > help you. We need to troubleshoot in windows." I slam the phone on the > reciever so hard I think I nearly break it. Now I am pissed, and I still > have a broken card. > > Does anyone else have any history with wireless antennas not working all > of the sudden? This card hasn't even been out of the house, I leave it > here when I go out for crying out loud! > > My next attempt will to disable encryption and go back to wvlan_cs to see > if that jogs this thing. But I truly think it's hardware; nothing, > NOTHING, on my laptop changed, I didn't even turn it on this morning! > > Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Nov. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] non-windows trouble shooting

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 05:47:48PM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: karl> They only want to talk to you if you run that windows crap. I just karl> tell myself that the tech-support guys are too dumb to be able to karl> figure out how to do anything with Linux. If you are lucky enough to have experience on the Windows side to know how things work, you can just "pretend" to do what they ask and feed them "fake" information. Worked for me in the past... -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] non-windows trouble shooting

by Brian J.Conway

> I've had the problem with everything from DSL connections, cable > modems, printers, hard drives, modems etc. I find that it's works out well that if I'm paying for a product or service, anything that I might come in contact with tech support for is platform independent. For instance, I have systems on both AT&T Broadband and Speakeasy DSL, the troubleshooting for which takes place with the computer unplugged and is in no way dependant on the computer/router connected. Obviously there's not much you can do with a device that's plugged into your computer other than keep a Windows partition around or go without support if that's a company's policy, I suppose. > They only want to talk to you if you run that windows crap. I just > tell myself that the tech-support guys are too dumb to be able to > figure out how to do anything with Linux. I just tell myself that as much as I might like Linux, it doesn't make sense to spend the huge amount of resources it would take to be able to officially support an operating system (in all its incarnations) that a minimal percentage of their users use. Speakeasy won't officially support Linux, but their techs are pretty smart and can troubleshoot most issues from their own knowledge. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Nov. 2, 2002

non-windows trouble shooting

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had the problem with everything from DSL connections, cable modems, printers, hard drives, modems etc. They only want to talk to you if you run that windows crap. I just tell myself that the tech-support guys are too dumb to be able to figure out how to do anything with Linux. I can partially understand that Linux is more complex than windows, there are way more platforms, kernel versions, distributions and whatever to support. By only supporting windows i suppose they make it idiot proof by reducing the number of variables/complexities. On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Wes Allen wrote: > Hi gang, > I've got a ma401 card from netgear. It worked beautifully under linux > (better than in windows even). Today I switch on my laptop, and I no longer > get a link to my network with the card. I figure I must've had a power > glitch and my firewall isn't giving out dhcp address, so I restart it. Still > no link. I check the settings of my wireless router, all good. I boot my > desktop to see if my usb wireless card works, it does. None of my settings > on my laptop have changed, I checked. I tweak with iwconfig until my hands > are sore, no luck. So I finally call netgear because I figure that it is a > hardware issue and I need to send in the card to have at least the antenna > replaced. Tech support says, "I'm sorry but we can only trouble-shoot on > windows so we can't help you." I tell them, "It's not a software issue, > nothing has changed with my software from last night, everything is the same, > the card is not picking up the link from the router, it's not functioning, > it's a hardware issue..." They say, "But we need to troubleshoot in > windows." I say, "Look, I've turned encryption on and off, I've tried > different modes, I've tried different channels, I've turned rts and frag on > and off [note: now it's not accepting values, another clue that this is a > hardware problem]. Nothing works, your card is broken and I want to send it > in." I'm told to hold. "I'm sorry, we cannot help you. We need to > troubleshoot in windows." I slam the phone on the reciever so hard I think I > nearly break it. Now I am pissed, and I still have a broken card. > > Does anyone else have any history with wireless antennas not working all of > the sudden? This card hasn't even been out of the house, I leave it here > when I go out for crying out loud! > > My next attempt will to disable encryption and go back to wvlan_cs to see if > that jogs this thing. But I truly think it's hardware; nothing, NOTHING, on > my laptop changed, I didn't even turn it on this morning! > > Wes > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I never said all Democrats were saloonkeepers; what I said was all saloonkeepers were Democrats.

Nov. 2, 2002

ticked at netgear

by Wes Allen

Hi gang, I've got a ma401 card from netgear. It worked beautifully under linux (better than in windows even). Today I switch on my laptop, and I no longer get a link to my network with the card. I figure I must've had a power glitch and my firewall isn't giving out dhcp address, so I restart it. Still no link. I check the settings of my wireless router, all good. I boot my desktop to see if my usb wireless card works, it does. None of my settings on my laptop have changed, I checked. I tweak with iwconfig until my hands are sore, no luck. So I finally call netgear because I figure that it is a hardware issue and I need to send in the card to have at least the antenna replaced. Tech support says, "I'm sorry but we can only trouble-shoot on windows so we can't help you." I tell them, "It's not a software issue, nothing has changed with my software from last night, everything is the same, the card is not picking up the link from the router, it's not functioning, it's a hardware issue..." They say, "But we need to troubleshoot in windows." I say, "Look, I've turned encryption on and off, I've tried different modes, I've tried different channels, I've turned rts and frag on and off [note: now it's not accepting values, another clue that this is a hardware problem]. Nothing works, your card is broken and I want to send it in." I'm told to hold. "I'm sorry, we cannot help you. We need to troubleshoot in windows." I slam the phone on the reciever so hard I think I nearly break it. Now I am pissed, and I still have a broken card. Does anyone else have any history with wireless antennas not working all of the sudden? This card hasn't even been out of the house, I leave it here when I go out for crying out loud! My next attempt will to disable encryption and go back to wvlan_cs to see if that jogs this thing. But I truly think it's hardware; nothing, NOTHING, on my laptop changed, I didn't even turn it on this morning! Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech?

by Charles R. Anderson

HTML problem. Who can't read your email? On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 05:11:31PM -0500, Richard Goodman wrote: <html> <pre> I just brought up my fourth RH7.3 server Friday afternoon (one of two RH7.0 servers that had been hacked-new hard drive and software). I then went home and spent a couple of hours connected to it with ssh on a workstation connected to my home RH7.3 server. When I went to rerun a slightly modified (open ports for ftp and internal dhcp twiddling) ipchains firewall I lost the connection, and, more than 16 hours later, don't have it back. Other relevant details. (let's call the servers Home and EFO) Home was the other hacked server, and was formatted and rebuilt last weekend. Home and EFO are on the same ISP and each has a block of 4 static IPs. The blocks share the first 18 bits of their IP#s. Home could connect to EFO last night Home now cannot connect to EFO via ssh, or access its web site. Pings are disabled on all my servers - so I can't do that test. EFO network workstations can browse the web; I can ping out from the EFO linux box or workstations, and can ping EFO's Cisco 678 router from its Linux box EFO workstations cannot access Home websites (but I had not tried this before since rebuilding EFO Linux box Home Cisco 678 cannot be pinged from Home Linux box (!) or EFO (Linux or workstation), but can be pinged from my office (Linux box on other ISP). >From my office workstation I can also ssh to EFO and access EFO website (which in fact I uploaded to the new server from my office today). Does this discount the possibility of a firewall issue? I spent countless hours talking to the ISP (Qwest) tech support, and over an hour with a senior tech who had some Linux knowledge, and he claims that it must be a configuration issue on one or both of my Home and EFO Linux boxes, since:   He can login to both my Cisco routers and ping the other router - he claims this proves its not a Qwest routing problem. If he's right I'm still puzzled by two things: a) Why could I connect from Home to EFO for two hours last night, no problems? b) Why can't the Home Linux box ping the Cisco 678 directly connected to it? I knew nothing about routing before today - here's the Home routing table: <tt>route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface xxx.yyy.28.48   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.248 U     0      0        0 eth0 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1 127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo 0.0.0.0         xxx.yyy.28.54   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0 </tt>I tried the following but still could not access EFO (added just the EFO IP#, not the network  block: <tt>#route add -host xxx.yyy.26.57 dev  eth0 # route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface xxx.yyy.26.57   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 eth0 xxx.yyy.28.48   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.248 U     0      0        0 eth0 192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth1 127.0.0.0       0.0.0.0         255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo 0.0.0.0         xxx.yyy.28.54   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0 </tt>Is this enough if to decide if the tech is right or crazy? Any suggestions - I still can't access Home from/to EFO. Dick </pre> </html> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech?

by Frank Sweetser

On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 05:11:31PM -0500, Richard Goodman wrote: If you're going to send email in html, at least be kind enough to send in in plain text too. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu, fs at suave.net | $ x 18 Full-time WPI Network Engineer, Part time Linux/Perl guy | Wow, I'm being shot at from both sides. That means I *must* be right. :-) -- Larry Wall in <199710211959.MAA18990(a)wall.org>

Nov. 2, 2002

Routing problem -can I believe the ISP tech?

by Richard Goodman

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 *&@#&% megabyte message

by Bill Smith

On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:26:16 -0500 (EST) Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> wrote: KH> It's your own fault for having a crappy dialup and not getting KH> message headers before downloading the whole thing :) so KH> apparently ANYONE could send you a large file and cause the same KH> problem. (1) not everyone can afford Broadband or DSL. i don't even have CABLE, for crying out loud! (2) i'm not as quich to react as our friend. if i were a betting man, i'd wager my connection is slower than his (mine is a whopping 31.2kbps 'cause i have dirty (old?) lines and my lease says that i have to foot the bill to clean them if i want better), but i waited to see who was the culprit. seeing that it was Andy, i figured that if anyone should have been justified in posting something that insanely huge, it should be him. <shrug> KH> When i moved into this apartment one thing I made sure before i KH> signed the lease was that i could get broadband with a static IP for KH> my box :) maybe for me when i'm working again, but not before. KH> Sorry I just can't relate to only having a dialup.. I can't KH> imagine the pain you must have :) if you would like, i can put things in perspective for you.... i've been playing with dial-ups since '90... my first modem when at a nice quick 1200 baud. :) (yeah, i know some of you Old Timers used to communicate by tapping in Morse on the phone receiver.... <g>) to ME, 56k is nice (been there, before i moved to this "commonwealth"), but i'm not in a position to be complaining too much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it's still a foolish thing." -- Anatole France * TAG! v3.1 *

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Karl

the IMAP protocol works great for me. Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > Karl Hiramoto wrote: > >> It's your own fault for having a crappy dialup and not getting >> message headers before downloading the whole thing :) so apparently >> ANYONE could send you a large file and cause the same problem. >> > > What program will let you download the headers before downloading the > message? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- €º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto €º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø You are absolute plate-glass. I see to the very back of your mind. -- Sherlock Holmes

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DNS Resolve from the Internet

by Peter Gutowski

> Hello: > > Please help me get this straight. I am confused. I > have a dnscache running at home on a DMZ network. I > would like to know if I can have friends on other > networks (in the Internet) to use my server as their > resolver server? > Should be easily possible. > I have a firewall in place but, I'm directing all the > udp traffic to port 53 to my dns-server; also my > dnscache server is accepting connections from those > networks ip's. Prodvided neither you your ISP blocks the port and you IP address doesn't change, should be possible. > > Can I do this or do I need to register ($$$$$) a the > dns-server? I've never experienced a charge to setting up a service on server. If the server is Primary for a domain, you will need to register it, but that's usually part of the domain registration fee. -PG -- Peter Gutowski - peter(a)linuxchamps.com - phone: (413)531-0123

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DNS Resolve from the Internet

by Peter Gutowski

> Hello: > > Please help me get this straight. I am confused. I > have a dnscache running at home on a DMZ network. I > would like to know if I can have friends on other > networks (in the Internet) to use my server as their > resolver server? > Provided neither you nor your service provider are blocking access to that port it should be easily possible. > I have a firewall in place but, I'm directing all the > udp traffic to port 53 to my dns-server; also my > dnscache server is accepting connections from those > networks ip's. > > Can I do this or do I need to register ($$$$$) a the > dns-server? > I've set up a few official and several ad hoc name servers and have never needed to do much that was hardly official. In the case of registering a domain, you do need to provide the IP addresses of registered hosts, but there was not a specific charge from network solutions, and they seem to be great ones for finding ways of charging you for things. -PG -- Peter Gutowski - peter(a)linuxchamps.com - phone: (413)531-0123

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Gregory Avedissian

Karl Hiramoto wrote: > It's your own fault for having a crappy dialup and not getting message > headers before downloading the whole thing :) so apparently ANYONE > could send you a large file and cause the same problem. > What program will let you download the headers before downloading the message?

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Karl Hiramoto

It's your own fault for having a crappy dialup and not getting message headers before downloading the whole thing :) so apparently ANYONE could send you a large file and cause the same problem. When i moved into this apartment one thing I made sure before i signed the lease was that i could get broadband with a static IP for my box :) Sorry I just can't relate to only having a dialup.. I can't imagine the pain you must have :) On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Friday 01 November 2002 10:41 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > Somebody just sent a 2 Megabyte message to this > > mailing list, I think. I don't even know who sent > > it, because I got tired of watching it download > > and telnet'ed into my pop server to delete it > > totally unread. Since I don't know who you are > > you are safe (from me at least) if you never do > > anything like that again. > > I did it. Got a problem? Take it up with me and not the list, and please > keep your profanity to yourself. > > > > > Can the mailing list software be configured to > > throw any message more than, say, a generous > > 200K, into /dev/null and reply to the sender > > with a polite message about his mother and > > a baboon? > > > > Let's leave my mother out of this, shall we? > > The mailing list software sent my e-mail to the WLUG mailing list admin due to > its size. I believe the limit is set to 20 Kbytes. The WLUG mailing list > admin obviously approved it for posting and sent it on its way. I am not the > WLUG mailing list admin (I suspect it is either Chuck or Frank). > > > Thank you very much. > > > > -- Keith > > You're quite welcome! I'm happy to keep people informed about important > events in the Linux world, such as the Enterprise Linux Forum being held in > Boston. Ah, but you'd have known that if you hadn't deleted a partially > downloaded e-mail message. > > Now, to the more polite members of WLUG, my apologies if the aforementioned > e-mail has caused you some grief. I'll endeavor to use more care in the > future. > > Later, > > Andy > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø I've been on this lonely road so long, Does anybody know where it goes, I remember last time the signs pointed home, A month ago. -- Carpenters, "Road Ode"

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> > > On Friday 01 November 2002 10:41 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > > Somebody just sent a 2 Megabyte message to this > > mailing list, I think. I don't even know who sent > > it, because I got tired of watching it download > > I did it. Got a problem? Take it up with me and not the list, > and please keep your profanity to yourself. Well, you sent this message to the list, so I guess you want to continue the discussion on the list. As I said, I did not know you did it. I am surprised to say the least. > Let's leave my mother out of this, shall we? OK. > The mailing list software sent my e-mail to the WLUG mailing > list admin due to its size. I believe the limit is set to 20 > Kbytes. A very reasonable limit. > The WLUG mailing list admin obviously approved it for posting > and sent it on its way. I am not the WLUG mailing list admin > (I suspect it is either Chuck or Frank). Even more surprised. > You're quite welcome! I'm happy to keep people informed about > important events in the Linux world, such as the Enterprise > Linux Forum being held in Boston. That seems well under 20K. > Ah, but you'd have known that if you hadn't deleted a partially > downloaded e-mail message. Actually I did know, because Karl Hiramoto sent a message that quoted everything needful to know. > Now, to the more polite members of WLUG, my apologies if the > aforementioned e-mail has caused you some grief. I'll endeavor > to use more care in the future. I'm going to sleep now. -- Keith

Nov. 2, 2002

RE: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Mike Peckar

Geepers, are there still dialuppers alive today that haven't set up there own (damned) rules? The roaring naughts are the age of rules and policies, baby - get with the program as they say. Lesse, lemme recount a few -- if an email contains less than 1m, send it to my watch; if its an mpeg or graphics file, send it to my media server and let it figure it out; if its anything microsoft, send it my handheld - its probably work related -- and if its got the words: sex, drugs, or rock and roll, send it to all of them, baby, cause I'm a wild and crazy guy with 'lectronic stuff, man, and I'm comin' to yer town ---- --so betta watch out, o.k.? and btb, election day is pretty much here right now, so vote for ME, (goddammit), because (I swear,) if you don't, we'll all loose... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:09 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message On Friday 01 November 2002 10:41 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > Somebody just sent a 2 Megabyte message to this > mailing list, I think. I don't even know who sent > it, because I got tired of watching it download > and telnet'ed into my pop server to delete it > totally unread. Since I don't know who you are > you are safe (from me at least) if you never do > anything like that again. I did it. Got a problem? Take it up with me and not the list, and please keep your profanity to yourself. > > Can the mailing list software be configured to > throw any message more than, say, a generous > 200K, into /dev/null and reply to the sender > with a polite message about his mother and > a baboon? > Let's leave my mother out of this, shall we? The mailing list software sent my e-mail to the WLUG mailing list admin due to its size. I believe the limit is set to 20 Kbytes. The WLUG mailing list admin obviously approved it for posting and sent it on its way. I am not the WLUG mailing list admin (I suspect it is either Chuck or Frank). > Thank you very much. > > -- Keith You're quite welcome! I'm happy to keep people informed about important events in the Linux world, such as the Enterprise Linux Forum being held in Boston. Ah, but you'd have known that if you hadn't deleted a partially downloaded e-mail message. Now, to the more polite members of WLUG, my apologies if the aforementioned e-mail has caused you some grief. I'll endeavor to use more care in the future. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 goddamn megabyte message

by Andy Stewart

On Friday 01 November 2002 10:41 pm, Keith Wright wrote: > Somebody just sent a 2 Megabyte message to this > mailing list, I think. I don't even know who sent > it, because I got tired of watching it download > and telnet'ed into my pop server to delete it > totally unread. Since I don't know who you are > you are safe (from me at least) if you never do > anything like that again. I did it. Got a problem? Take it up with me and not the list, and please keep your profanity to yourself. > > Can the mailing list software be configured to > throw any message more than, say, a generous > 200K, into /dev/null and reply to the sender > with a polite message about his mother and > a baboon? > Let's leave my mother out of this, shall we? The mailing list software sent my e-mail to the WLUG mailing list admin due to its size. I believe the limit is set to 20 Kbytes. The WLUG mailing list admin obviously approved it for posting and sent it on its way. I am not the WLUG mailing list admin (I suspect it is either Chuck or Frank). > Thank you very much. > > -- Keith You're quite welcome! I'm happy to keep people informed about important events in the Linux world, such as the Enterprise Linux Forum being held in Boston. Ah, but you'd have known that if you hadn't deleted a partially downloaded e-mail message. Now, to the more polite members of WLUG, my apologies if the aforementioned e-mail has caused you some grief. I'll endeavor to use more care in the future. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 2, 2002

2 goddamn megabyte message

by Keith Wright

Somebody just sent a 2 Megabyte message to this mailing list, I think. I don't even know who sent it, because I got tired of watching it download and telnet'ed into my pop server to delete it totally unread. Since I don't know who you are you are safe (from me at least) if you never do anything like that again. Can the mailing list software be configured to throw any message more than, say, a generous 200K, into /dev/null and reply to the sender with a polite message about his mother and a baboon? Thank you very much. -- Keith

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DNS Resolve from the Internet

by Karl Hiramoto

jose, There should not be an issue with it. Just provide your friends the IP address. As long as they can connect directly to the IP everthing should work. U might want tcp and udp on port 53 and 113 On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, jose sanchez wrote: > Hello: > > Please help me get this straight. I am confused. I > have a dnscache running at home on a DMZ network. I > would like to know if I can have friends on other > networks (in the Internet) to use my server as their > resolver server? > > I have a firewall in place but, I'm directing all the > udp traffic to port 53 to my dns-server; also my > dnscache server is accepting connections from those > networks ip's. > > Can I do this or do I need to register ($$$$$) a the > dns-server? > > Thanks in advance for your help.... > > > ===== > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > - Anonymous > > > www.whmicro.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The older I grow, the less important the comma becomes. Let the reader catch his own breath. -- Elizabeth Clarkson Zwart

Nov. 2, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups

by Karl Hiramoto

I'll be there for the free stuff, but can't afford the spendy stuff. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > Hi Everybody, > > On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston > Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount > for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read > below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the > attachments, send me e-mail. > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 > From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com> > To: andystewart(a)attbi.com > > Andy, > > I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I > came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations > and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference > that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester > Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum > Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit > http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > > I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to > attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th > save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference > offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event. > > This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition. > We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class) > event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a > world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive > tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in > the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management > and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management. > Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be > highlighted at this event. > > As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is > set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston, > MA. > > Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC > Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun > Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the > event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors > Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source > Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox, > Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com. > > Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most > up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and > exhibitors. > > Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 > discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the > number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event. > > I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200 > discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter > to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take > advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code > assigned in the fax back form or attached copy. > > Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions. > > Sincerely, > > Juliet Sigmann > Marketing Manager > > Jupitermedia Corporation > (formerly INT Media Group) > 30 Lyman Street, Suite 8 > Westboro, MA 01581 > T: 508-870-5858 x119 > F: 508-870-6521 > eFax: 801-761-9698 > jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com > www.jupitermedia.com > > **************************************************************************** > *************** > Keynotes and Sessions > Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the > complete agenda > > Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO > and President, Red Hat > Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements - > Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal > Analyst, Illuminata > Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General > Manager, Linux, IBM > Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing, > Oracle Corporation > > Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems > Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc. > Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced > Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat > Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony > Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland > Corporation > Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical > Director, Metro Link, Inc. > Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott > Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation > Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator: > Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com > Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat > Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product > Development, Ximian > Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries, > Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare > Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy > Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group > Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of > Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks > Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters > Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo, > Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks > Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan > Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC > Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success - > Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates > Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape > Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal, > JNoel Associates > Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not > Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny > Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences - > Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux > Prophet > Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About > Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free > Standards Group > Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - > Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant > Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian > Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com > Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP > and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open > Source Development Lab > Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis, > Vice President of Research, MigraTEC > Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source - > Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant > Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris > C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies, > IBM Toronto Lab > Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris > Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC > > **************************************************************************** > *************** > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The older I grow, the less important the comma becomes. Let the reader catch his own breath. -- Elizabeth Clarkson Zwart

Nov. 2, 2002

Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, On Dec. 3 and 4, 2002, the Enterprise Linux Forum will be held at the Boston Marriot (Copley Place) in Boston, MA. We have been offered a $200 discount for WLUG members who attend the event. If you want more information, read below that which was sent to me. If you wish to go and can't read the attachments, send me e-mail. Later, Andy ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Enterprise Linux Forum - Special Offer for Linux User Groups Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:27:15 -0500 From: Juliet Sigmann <jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com> To: andystewart(a)attbi.com Andy, I hope you do not think it too forward of me to send you this e-mail, but I came across Worcester Linux Users Group while researching Linux associations and user group sites. My company, Jupitermedia, has developed a conference that I believe will be of interest to you and other members of Worcester Linux Users Group . The name of the event is Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo. For complete details on this event, visit http://www.enterpriselinuxforum.com I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. Registrations processed by November 19th save an additional $100 off the regular conference price. The conference offers 1-Day, 2-Day, and Expo Pass (free) passes to the event. This e-mail is not a "sales call", but is a win-win business proposition. We are seeking to drive attendance at this first time (albeit world-class) event. We can offer you and other Worcester Linux Users Group members a world class event that touches on a number of subjects via 4 comprehensive tracks that I believe would be of interest to your group such as Linux in the Datacenter; Clustered and Distributed Computing; Operations, Management and Infrastructure; and Application, Storage and Information Management. Scroll below for the complete line-up of speakers and topics to be highlighted at this event. As the conference brochure (attached in PDF format) relates, this event is set to run December 3-4, 2002 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place in Boston, MA. Currently, the event is sponsored by Red Hat (Premier Sponsor), BMC Software, Computer Associates, Dell, Egenera, IBM, NeTraverse, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, SuSE Linux, Ximian, and more. Additional supporters of the event include: Illuminata (Premier Analyst Sponsor) and association sponsors Free Standards Group, GNOME Foundation, Linux International, and Open Source Development Lab. Media sponsors include, Capterra, HostingTech, IT Toolbox, Linux Journal, and OutsourcingCentral.com. Visit the event web site at www.enterpriselinuxforum.com for the most up-to-date listing of speakers, session descriptions, sponsors, and exhibitors. Again, I would like to offer Worcester Linux Users Group members a $200 discount to attend the Enterprise Linux Forum. As you can see from the number and quality of sponsors and speakers, this is a first rate event. I have attached with this e-mail a fax back registration form with the $200 discount as well as some copy that you could include in an email newsletter to you members or your web site. In order for your members to take advantage of this $200 discount, they will need to use the priority code assigned in the fax back form or attached copy. Please call me directly if you have any comments or questions. Sincerely, Juliet Sigmann Marketing Manager Jupitermedia Corporation (formerly INT Media Group) 30 Lyman Street, Suite 8 Westboro, MA 01581 T: 508-870-5858 x119 F: 508-870-6521 eFax: 801-761-9698 jsigmann(a)jupitermedia.com www.jupitermedia.com **************************************************************************** *************** Keynotes and Sessions Click on http://www.jupiterevents.com/elf/fall02/glance.html for the complete agenda Keynote 1: The Inevitable Linux Momentum - Matthew J. Szulik, Chairman, CEO and President, Red Hat Keynote 2: Linux in Prime Time: Open Source Meets Enterprise Requirements - Jonathan Eunice, President and Principal Analyst, Illuminata Keynote 3: IBM Enterprise Solutions for Linux - Steven C. Solazzo, General Manager, Linux, IBM Keynote 4: Unbreakable Linux - Rene Bonvanie, VP of Oracle9i Marketing, Oracle Corporation Session 1: The Changing Face of Linux - David Niemi, Director of Systems Engineering, Adeptech Systems, Inc. Session 2: Linux High Availability Cluster Selection - Tim Burke, Advanced Server Technical Project Leader, Red Hat Session 3: VPN Enterprise Implementation at Rochester Midland - Tony Karakashian, Network Manager, Rochester Midland Corporation Session 4: Linux as Embedded Operating System - Rob Lembree, Technical Director, Metro Link, Inc. Session 5: How Sitel Worldwide Runs Call Centers Utilizing Linux - Scott Clark, Director of Systems Engineering, Sitel Corporation Session 6: PANEL: Server Consolidation Strategies Using Linux - Moderator: Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com Session 7: The Enterprise Linux Desktop: Addressing Corporate Needs - Nat Friedman, Co-founder and Vice President of Product Development, Ximian Session 8: Managing Linux on Datacenter Mainframe Systems - Alex deVries, Principal Solutions Architect, Linuxcare Session 9: The Future of Open Source Software in the Enterprise - Randy Terbush, Managing Partner, Tribal Knowledge Group Session 10: The Future of Datacenter Computing: How the Combination of Storage Area Networks and Processing Area Networks Solves Multiple Pain Points for Enterprise Datacenters Session 11: Apache: An Enterprise-Level Server - Daniel Lopez Ridruejo, Senior Developer, Instant802 Networks Session 12: The Virtual Environment - Where Does Linux Fit? - Dan Kusnetzky, Vice President, System Software Research, IDC Session 13: Enterprise-Ready Linux on the Mainframe: The Path to Success - Sam Greenblatt, SVP, Computer Associates Session 14: The Linux Factor: How Linux and Friends will Reshape Application by 2005 - Jasmine Noel, Founder and Principal, JNoel Associates Session 15: Rethinking the Linux Distribution: Linux as Platform, Not Product - Ian Murdock, Progeny Session 16: Linux Clusters and Open Source Software in the Life Sciences - Glenn Otero, Ph.D., Founder and Principal, Linux Prophet Session 17: The Linux Standard Base - Changing Everything You Think About Linux - Scott McNeil, Executive Director, Free Standards Group Session 18: Linux in Business: Answering Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - Russell Pavlicek, Independent Consultant Session 19: PANEL: Integrating Linux Into the Enterprise - Moderator: Brian Proffitt, Managing Editor, LinuxToday.com Session 20: Open Source Development Lab Data Center Linux (DCL) for OLTP and DSS - Timothy Witham, Lab Director, Open Source Development Lab Session 21: Migrating C/C++ Applications from Unix to Linux - Shel Travis, Vice President of Research, MigraTEC Session 22: Web Services: The Killer Application for Open Source - Christian Gross, Software Engineering Consultant Session 23: Linux Database Clusters for High Performance Computing - Boris C. Bialek, Manager, DB2 Strategic Technologies, IBM Toronto Lab Session 24: High-Performance End-to-End Computing Using Linux - Chris Maresca, Senior Partner, Olliance Group, LLC **************************************************************************** *************** ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 1, 2002

Re: [Wlug] microphone

by Karl Hiramoto

cat /dev/dsp this is raw sound data there are docs out there on how to process it This usually works to record then play back your data cat /dev/dsp > /tmp/sound.dat cat /tmp/sound.dat >> /dev/dsp I'm sure there is a doc out there on the format of this data. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > I've seen it working on other computers, a friend of mine at BU was > using on an AI speech recognition project. > > They were just opening /dev/dsp and reading from it. > > Can't you find something on google to solve the issue? > > > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Wes Allen wrote: > > > Yeah, > > Come to think of it, no computer I've ever used with Linux has had the > > microphone working. > > > > I'll have to try the alsa list...thanks! > > > > Wes > > > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 2:06 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > OK, since nobody is answering you, I'll take a stab at it. > > > > > > Yes, I have the same problem. Can't record from the microphone or from > > > the stereo, which is plugged into the computer. Doesn't work with SuSE > > > 7.2 on a fast computer with the onboard soundcard, and it didn't work > > > with Redhat 7.0 on a slow computer with my Ensonic sound card, either. I > > > can record from CD at least three ways without any problem. And I can > > > record from my stereo or from the microphone if I use a common > > > proprietary operating system that's four years old. > > > > > > I suspect the problem is in the options section of /etc/modules.conf, > > > but I've never pursued it, and I don't know what any of those options > > > mean. There's a mailing list for the ALSA project, and I've gotten good > > > help from them in the past. They might know. > > > > > > I'll show you my modules.conf if you'll show me yours. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > Wesley Allen wrote: > > > > Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's > > > > set as the recording device, but isn't recording. > > > > > > > > My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm > > > > doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. > > > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes. -- Dylan Thomas

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] microphone

by Karl Hiramoto

I've seen it working on other computers, a friend of mine at BU was using on an AI speech recognition project. They were just opening /dev/dsp and reading from it. Can't you find something on google to solve the issue? On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Wes Allen wrote: > Yeah, > Come to think of it, no computer I've ever used with Linux has had the > microphone working. > > I'll have to try the alsa list...thanks! > > Wes > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 2:06 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > OK, since nobody is answering you, I'll take a stab at it. > > > > Yes, I have the same problem. Can't record from the microphone or from > > the stereo, which is plugged into the computer. Doesn't work with SuSE > > 7.2 on a fast computer with the onboard soundcard, and it didn't work > > with Redhat 7.0 on a slow computer with my Ensonic sound card, either. I > > can record from CD at least three ways without any problem. And I can > > record from my stereo or from the microphone if I use a common > > proprietary operating system that's four years old. > > > > I suspect the problem is in the options section of /etc/modules.conf, > > but I've never pursued it, and I don't know what any of those options > > mean. There's a mailing list for the ALSA project, and I've gotten good > > help from them in the past. They might know. > > > > I'll show you my modules.conf if you'll show me yours. > > > > Greg > > > > Wesley Allen wrote: > > > Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's > > > set as the recording device, but isn't recording. > > > > > > My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm > > > doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. > > > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø When one burns one's bridges, what a very nice fire it makes. -- Dylan Thomas

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] microphone

by Wes Allen

Yeah, Come to think of it, no computer I've ever used with Linux has had the microphone working. I'll have to try the alsa list...thanks! Wes On Thursday 31 October 2002 2:06 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > OK, since nobody is answering you, I'll take a stab at it. > > Yes, I have the same problem. Can't record from the microphone or from > the stereo, which is plugged into the computer. Doesn't work with SuSE > 7.2 on a fast computer with the onboard soundcard, and it didn't work > with Redhat 7.0 on a slow computer with my Ensonic sound card, either. I > can record from CD at least three ways without any problem. And I can > record from my stereo or from the microphone if I use a common > proprietary operating system that's four years old. > > I suspect the problem is in the options section of /etc/modules.conf, > but I've never pursued it, and I don't know what any of those options > mean. There's a mailing list for the ALSA project, and I've gotten good > help from them in the past. They might know. > > I'll show you my modules.conf if you'll show me yours. > > Greg > > Wesley Allen wrote: > > Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's > > set as the recording device, but isn't recording. > > > > My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm > > doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. > > > > Wes > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] microphone

by Gregory Avedissian

OK, since nobody is answering you, I'll take a stab at it. Yes, I have the same problem. Can't record from the microphone or from the stereo, which is plugged into the computer. Doesn't work with SuSE 7.2 on a fast computer with the onboard soundcard, and it didn't work with Redhat 7.0 on a slow computer with my Ensonic sound card, either. I can record from CD at least three ways without any problem. And I can record from my stereo or from the microphone if I use a common proprietary operating system that's four years old. I suspect the problem is in the options section of /etc/modules.conf, but I've never pursued it, and I don't know what any of those options mean. There's a mailing list for the ALSA project, and I've gotten good help from them in the past. They might know. I'll show you my modules.conf if you'll show me yours. Greg Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's > set as the recording device, but isn't recording. > > My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm > doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. > > Wes > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 31, 2002

DNS Resolve from the Internet

by jose sanchez

Hello: Please help me get this straight. I am confused. I have a dnscache running at home on a DMZ network. I would like to know if I can have friends on other networks (in the Internet) to use my server as their resolver server? I have a firewall in place but, I'm directing all the udp traffic to port 53 to my dns-server; also my dnscache server is accepting connections from those networks ip's. Can I do this or do I need to register ($$$$$) a the dns-server? Thanks in advance for your help.... ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack)

by Theo Van Dinter

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:53:05AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > 1. sendmail is broken up into 2 separate processes for security > reasons. One is outgoing, the other is incoming. that's sendmail 8.12. 8.11 is still the single monolithic sendmail. > 2. /etc/sendmail.cf is no longer used. There are several files in > /etc/mail to replace /etc/sendmail.cf. Actually it's still just sendmail.cf for the daemon, but it is under /etc/mail now. There's also a submit.cf for the "client" portion. What are the errors that are being seen? That wasn't specifically mentioned in the original post. There was something about the "MX loops back to me" thing, but I don't know if that's the error you're seeing or not. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "A way out of financial mess is discovered as if by magic!" - stupid fortune cookie

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] rpm lock-up

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Josh Huber wrote: > Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> writes: > > > Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any > > session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm > > processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. > > Perhaps there is some kind of stale lock file sitting around? > > I don't use rpm, but I'd suggest running strace on the rpm command to > see what the problem might be. > > strace rpm <args> > > -- > Josh Huber Josh, Just by coincidence, I just ran "strace -ppid" on the "locked-up" process. It's in a select/timeout loop. I just tried Charles Anderson's suggestion (his email came shortly after yours). That cured the lock-up. Now on to see if I can get something done... Thanks, Bill

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] microphone

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:35:06 -0500 (EST) Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> wrote: KH> cat /dev/dsp KH> KH> this is raw sound data there are docs out there on how to process KH> it KH> KH> This usually works to record then play back your data KH> KH> cat /dev/dsp > /tmp/sound.dat KH> cat /tmp/sound.dat >> /dev/dsp KH> KH> I'm sure there is a doc out there on the format of this data. if memory serves, it's something akin to .au .... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com He who spins a web of trickery must expect to end up caught. * TAG! v3.1 *

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] rpm lock-up

by Charles R. Anderson

Documented bug in rpm-4.1. To fix: kill -9 the hung rpm process rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* If it still hangs, repeat that process and add this step: rpm --rebuilddb On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:52:31AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> 2. Ctrl-C out. You won't get the shell prompt back. subssn594> Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any subssn594> session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm subssn594> processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] rpm lock-up

by Josh Huber

Bill Mills-Curran <subssn594(a)charter.net> writes: > Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any > session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm > processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. Perhaps there is some kind of stale lock file sitting around? I don't use rpm, but I'd suggest running strace on the rpm command to see what the problem might be. strace rpm <args> -- Josh Huber

Oct. 31, 2002

jsut a thought

by doug waud

Hi all After the neglegible turnout of "customers" for our most recent installfest there was some discussion aa to whether the day of the installfest is past and we should look for other ways to serve the community. In this context I found this morning's (Oct 31) T&G had an interesting article which may provice a template for what we might now do. In a nutshell they described (pages A1 and A11) the Atlantic Paranormsl Society who for the past 12 years send out teams to help people who are having trouble with "domestic disturbances like eerie noises and signs of spirit possession". Their website, http://the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/ gets 6000 hits a day from around the world" (they do not say whether setag lib is among them). They do not charge for their "work" and say "the rich and poor both need help" and say "Also how can you charge for something that cannot be proved to exist" (which does not seem to stop Micro$oft!). They have about 25 regular members, consult with a network of similar groups and gather at an eatery (Starbucks, not the Boynton). I suggest that, if you can find today's T&G you read the article since I cannot do justice to it here. For example, I learned about the taxonomy: Hauntings Human Intelligent spirits (they talk) Residuals (leftover energies condemned to repeat one small action from their lives) Poltergeists ("usually the spirits of young girls which make a racket and and can wreak havoc on property values") Inhuman Demons Incubuses Succubi Nature spirits Angles Apparently the human variety are the more "benign" while the others "can be viscious and deceitful", says "Never believe anything you hear from an inhuman haunting". Apparently other groups often get in over their heads and haveto call in his crew to "clean things up". (This is getting long; check out the T&G if you do not wish to miss the full picture.) Now I realixe some of this may sound scary but we would have the advantage that we could send Keith in first to scare the spirits! :-) So, instead of instalfests we could adapt to the times and move into deinstallfests! doug

Oct. 31, 2002

rpm lock-up

by Bill Mills-Curran

HELP! I seem to have done something very bad (SVB) to rpm. And, it seems to be painfully reproducible (I did it to two machines). Short explanation: 1. Do some rpm command (I was using "rpm -e", I think). 2. Ctrl-C out. You won't get the shell prompt back. Now, that user account can no longer do any rpm commands from any session -- it always hangs. You can kill -9 the existing rpm processes, but nothing I've tried helps until reboot. Longer explanation: 1. I wanted to upgrade a couple of packages: perl-GD and perl-Chart. I don't know where I got the old packages :-( , but I made some new ones of my own. 2. Instead of doing "rpm -F", I forgot that the perl modules were installed from an rpm in an older perl library area, and I deleted the module files (rm). (oops) (Is this clear?) 3. When attempting to install the new rpm's, I got error messages, so I tried "rpm -e" on the old package. That failed due to dependencies, so I added "--nodep" to the command. This was taking a long time (hung?), so I ctrl-c'ed out. Now all rpm commands (from the root account) hung. 4. I rebooted this morning. The rpm commands were working ok (at least "rpm -qa" worked), so I tried "rpm -F <packageFileName>" (as root), and it's hung. 5. From another window (also as root), "rpm -qa" hangs again. 6. From a different account, "rpm -qa" works fine. HELP! 1. How do I fix things and get my new packages in? 2. Is the database corrupted? 3. If the database is corrupted, how do I fix it? Thanks, Bill

Oct. 31, 2002

Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack)

by Richard Goodman

I spent four hours on Google last night about this problem. Saw reports of the same messages, but not the same situation. SUMMARY: 3 separate servers upgraded from RH7.0 to RH7.3 - all can send/receive mail locally and to/from the outside world EXCEPT for/from each other - which was not a problem under RH7.0. Do not believe there are errors in config files, particularly /etc/mail/local-host-names, and I have read the part of the sendmail FAQ about "mail loops back to me" and it DOES NOT APPLY in this case. I've been through what sendmail documentation I can understand - can someone tell me what has changed somewhere prior to or at 8.11.6 which shipped with RH7.3 that might cause this? I have another identically hacked RH7.0 server which I hope to rebuild/upgrade tonight - it will be interesting to see if all FOUR servers have the same problem. I'm losing mail which is supposed to be forwarded between these servers. Dick

Oct. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack)

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Richard Goodman wrote: > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:35:47 -0500 > From: Richard Goodman <dick(a)goodman1.net> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Sendmail 8.11.6 (was building RH7.3 after hack) > <snip> > SUMMARY: 3 separate servers upgraded from RH7.0 to RH7.3 - all can > send/receive mail locally and to/from the outside world EXCEPT > for/from each other - which was not a problem under RH7.0. Do not > believe there are errors in config files, particularly > /etc/mail/local-host-names, and I have read the part of the sendmail > FAQ about "mail loops back to me" and it DOES NOT APPLY in this case. > > I've been through what sendmail documentation I can understand - can > someone tell me what has changed somewhere prior to or at 8.11.6 > which shipped with RH7.3 that might cause this? > > I have another identically hacked RH7.0 server which I hope to > rebuild/upgrade tonight - it will be interesting to see if all FOUR > servers have the same problem. > > I'm losing mail which is supposed to be forwarded between these servers. > > Dick > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Dick, I fought throught this myself recently when going from RedHat 7.1 to 8.0. I believe (not sure!) that the change occurred in RedHat 7.3. 1. sendmail is broken up into 2 separate processes for security reasons. One is outgoing, the other is incoming. 2. /etc/sendmail.cf is no longer used. There are several files in /etc/mail to replace /etc/sendmail.cf. 3. The new *.cf files are generated from several macro-preprocessed files. You get to edit sendmail.mc and submit.mc. The documentation in /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README.cf is good, but long. 4. The *.cf files are generated by the macro files when you start the service. (See /etc/mail/Makefile.) 5. The file /etc/mail/access can define where your server will accept relay mail from. I used the access file to allow all my domain machines to be able to use my alias list. However, I suspect that I should be handling my aliases differently -- I haven't gotten around to figuring it out yet, but this now works. I wish I could help more, but I'm pretty green with sendmail. Bill

Oct. 31, 2002

RE: [Wlug] RH 7.2 - Installing and configureing openssl, modssl, apache, and php

by Setag Lib

Redhat has RPMS for apache, php, and ssl that all play nice together. Use those unless you have some weird requirement where you absolutly need to build your own. BUT, make sure to download the updated SSL libraries from RedHat! The ones on the CD have a remote exploit in them that you will want to close. If you do NEED to compile your own apache, ssl, etc ... then there is this nifty project called "The apache toolbox" http://www.apachetoolbox.com/ which makes the process much much easier. Since it can be difficult getting all those to work right, I'd suggest trying that. I'd un-install all of the current apache stuff you have before doing that.

Oct. 31, 2002

RH 7.2 - Installing and configureing openssl, modssl, apache, and php

by Aramico

Hi all, I've got a problem..... And this not a kind of beginner's problem....... Actually I'm developing a server with this defined need such as openssl, modssl, apache, and php. The problem is..... I've done these listed on my attachement step to install all my need.... -------------------------------------------------------- The results are like these both bellow...... 1. apache, php and its need runs well, but modssl and ssl are not workin'... ;( 2. apache with modssl is wrokin' fine, but the apache could not understand the php's need....... So, what is the correct step to get what i want.... What i want is only get apache, openssl,modssl,postgresql, and php's need installed....... Thanx.........

Oct. 31, 2002

microphone

by Wesley Allen

Hi gang, any ideas why my microphone wouldn't be working in linux. It's set as the recording device, but isn't recording. My sound card uses the maestro3 module (ES1988 Allegro-1 card). I'm doing a search, but was wondering if any of you have had this problem. Wes

Oct. 31, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, I'll do that. I'll install Xvfb and follow your instructions and will keep you informed on the results. Thank you for your patience and your help. --Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > > >> > same > > > > >>program is > > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > > >>fails > > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > >> > on which it > > > > >>used > > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > > >> > something > > > > >>may > > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Peram > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > __ > > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>-- > > > > >> > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > > >> > > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Marc Hughes

Yup I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2 Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd >look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. >This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > >broken X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > >operations, even if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > >vi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > >kn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > >av > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > >Im > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > >on > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > >et > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > >av > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > >> > on which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can > > > >> > guide me in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? -Sudhakar >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd look >other places for the problem. > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. This >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect >to the xserver. > >I find doing something like this: > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & >sleep 5 >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 >xhost + >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it >anyways. > > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all >the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering >if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. >My output for >$ps auwx | grep X is as below >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X >:0 > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > >symptoms > >besides the java connection to it? > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > >Xserver are you running? > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >Thanks for the reply. > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on > >the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server > >seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of > >information with the help of which I can fix the issue of broken > >X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If > > >so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > >correctly? Does > >the > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without > > >a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even > > >if > >those > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > >that > >a > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > >Xvfb > >... > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to > > >play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > >X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > at > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > >Source) > > > > at > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unkn > > > >ow > > > >n > > > >Source) > > > > at > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.jav > > >a:356) > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubIm > > >pl.java:123) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servlet > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.jav > > >a:346) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > at > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > >> > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > > >>that it is the kernel? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Hi , > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > >> > same > > > >>program is > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > > >> > but it > > > >>fails > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > > >> > which it > > > >>used > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > >> > something > > > >>may > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me > > > >> > in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > >> > Peram > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________________________ > > > >> > __ > > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>-- > > > >> > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > > >> > > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > > >>Wlug mailing list > > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Wlug mailing list > > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

Oct. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs inredhat6.2

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:22:31PM -0600, Sudhaker P wrote: perams27> Hi Marc, perams27> The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all perams27> the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering perams27> if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. Do "rpm -V packagename" to see if it is broken, or "rpm -Va" to check all packages. To reinstall packages, use "rpm -ivh --replacepkgs package1.rpm package2.rpm ..." -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2

by Marc Hughes

So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd look other places for the problem. Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. This was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect to the xserver. I find doing something like this: nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & sleep 5 export DISPLAY=localhost:1 xhost + SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it anyways. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphsinredhat6.2 Hi Marc, The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X :0 I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphs inredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other >symptoms >besides the java connection to it? > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What >Xserver are you running? > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >of >graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Thanks for the reply. >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on >the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server >seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of >information with the help of which I can fix the issue of broken >X-windows. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If > >so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > >correctly? Does >the > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without > >a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even > >if >those > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > >that >a > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > >Xvfb >... > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to > >play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > >Hi, > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > >X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > at > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvi > >ronment.java:58) > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown >Source) > > > at > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unkn > > >ow > > >n > > >Source) > > > at > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.jav > >a:356) > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubIm > >pl.java:123) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > >textImpl.java:761) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletCon > >textImpl.java:708) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servlet > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.jav > >a:346) > > > at > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > at > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > >> > > >> > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > >> > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > >> > > >> > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > >>that it is the kernel? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi , > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > >> > same > > >>program is > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > >> > but it > > >>fails > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > >> > which it > > >>used > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > >> > something > > >>may > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me > > >> > in this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Peram > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________________________ > > >> > __ > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> > > > >> > > >>-- > > >> > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > >>¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > >> > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Wlug mailing list > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of graphs inredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X :0 I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs inredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other symptoms >besides the java connection to it? > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What >Xserver are you running? > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation of >graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Thanks for the reply. >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its on the >server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- server seems to >be broken. >I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any kind of information with the help >of which I can fix the issue of broken X-windows. > >Thanks, > >Peram > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat 6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > >look > >more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? If so, when > >you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable correctly? Does >the > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? Without a > >running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical operations, even if >those > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue that >a > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run Xvfb >... > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver to play > >with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > >Hi, > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. I'd > >appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of X-windows. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic log > > >java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > at > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java:58) > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown >Source) > > > at > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Unknow > > >n > > >Source) > > > at > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.java:356) > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStubImpl.java:123) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:761) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletContextImpl.java:708) > > > at > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(ServletContextManager.java:252) > > > at > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:346) > > > at > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > at weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs could > > >be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > >> > > >> > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > >> > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > >> > > >> > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to verify > > >>that it is the kernel? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > >> > > >> > Hi , > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The same > > >>program is > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.16 > > >> > but it > > >>fails > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 on > > >> > which it > > >>used > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > >> > something > > >>may > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that doesn't > > >> > seem to help. I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me in > > >> > this issue with your comments and suggestions. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks, > > >> > > > >> > Peram > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > >> > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Wlug mailing list > > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >> > > > >> > > >>-- > > >> > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > >>Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > > >>Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > > >>Cell: 508-517-4819 > > >>Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > > >>Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > > >>Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > > >>KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > > >>AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > >>€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø,žž,ø€º°`°º€ø > > >> > > >>Confirmed bachelor: > > >> A man who goes through life without a hitch. > > >> > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Wlug mailing list > > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Wlug mailing list > > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. > >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

Oct. 30, 2002

Thanks for usb help

by Wes Allen

Hi all, Thanks to everyone who tried to help me with my usb problems, it's always a pain when you know WHAT is wrong, but you don't know how to FIX it. Today I went to compUSA got their cheap-o usb2.0 cardbus card for $50, took it home and installed it. IT WORKS. So, when the next kernel fixes this apic promlem I'll have my 2 usb 1.1 ports AND 2 usb2.0 ports as well. I love linux sometimes, well, most times really. Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Oct. 30, 2002

RE: [Wlug] noseguy text

by Keller, Tim

Look here... http://cx.capsi.com/code-matrixfortunes.html Tim. "Why are my eyes sore?" "You've never used them before. Rest, Neo. The answers are coming." -- Neo and Morpheus, "The Matrix" -----Original Message----- From: Clint Moyer [mailto:cdmoyer@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:03 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] noseguy text Link? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Keller, Tim Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:01 AM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] noseguy text As a side note, for you Matrix fans out there, so guy has a whole fortunes file that's matrix quotes (I know cause I have it installed...) It is not the spoon you bend, but your mind... there is no spoon. -----Original Message----- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 22:18 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] noseguy text On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 09:07:32PM -0400, reavey wrote: > I would like to use noseguy but don't understand how it works?? > I have read it likes to run fortunes, and yet when I use either the text > files or .dat it won't read.Permission denial, chmod 777== can't execute > binary?? Regular text files are not parsed and it deadlocks. > What do you think? Should I write a program in python to parse a text > file(out of my ken). There is probably something stupid I can't see FYI: fortune has 2 files, the text file, and a "database" dat file which specifies how many fortunes there are, what offsets in the text file they're at, etc, etc. If you only edit the text file, fortune will get very confused. doing a "man strfile" will help you out. I also wrote a perl version (for the perl power tools project) which you can find on their website (do a google search for "perl power tools"...) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: We are Pentium of Borg. Division is futile. You will be approximated. (seen in someone's .signature) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 30, 2002